Hawks: MENTAL HEALTH AND MUSIC

Hawks 06.10.24	Thoughts???
efp123 06.10.24	Try driftless-perfect blue Hope things feel better friend
Hawks 06.10.24	Will do buddy thank you! :]
budgie 06.10.24	yeah i love dsbm and all but 90% of the music that goes into my birdbrain is chill ambient stuff lmao like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1t17GVs1YY
Hawks 06.10.24	Love u Budg!
VlacDrac 06.10.24	If you enjoyed Biokinetics, you might like Hong Kong by Monolake.
Sharenge 06.10.24	check Kurt Vile - (watch my moves) for more chill stuff to make you feel good but eh otherwise um I guess I'd just say listen to what you want, listen to what you like, listen to what resonates with you, and um I guess try to keep exploring a bit too so you can find more of that stuff... in terms of music (or, rather, certain music) having a negative impact on your psyche or mental health or whatever... eh I mean sure I've pondered this as well, as I enjoy my fair share of stuff that falls into the realms of sad, depressing, cynical, angry, even hateful, but I'm not sure how much merit the argument has in the end... at the very least, it's a two-way road if you know what I mean maybe it's different for different people as well /shrug
Hawks 06.10.24	Thanks for your insight bro. That's exactly why I want opinions because I'm very torn. I just feel a constant darkness over me. Not to the point where I'm gonna hurt anyone or myself, but its a fucking battle.
budgie 06.10.24	also look into coffee enemas
Hawks 06.10.24	Vlac I love Hong Kong!
bellovddd 06.10.24	stay strong brother. Jam One Morning Left. You are bound to have a good time.
BAT 06.10.24	honestly, when I was going thru periods of clinical depression the things that pissed me off the most was all the pop songs on the radio. in the mid 2010s it was like 75% failed relationships and shit about showing an ex how they fumbled the bag and whatnot, very petty bieber shit lol. but yeah sometimes it's cathartic to hear someone cover issues you can relate to but there is probably a bar for what'll impact moods, metal/punks always been a comfort music for me mainly for the focus on energy. if I was in like a loop of negative thoughts, listening to 'dystopia' on repeat probably won't help me get out of that mindset but on the other hand a track here and there will hit the right balance for me.
Sharenge 06.10.24	"listening to 'dystopia' on repeat probably won't help me get out of that mindset" if you don't want your dose of catharsis, I'll take it! puts on "Stress Builds Character"
Hawks 06.10.24	You guys are awesome. I feel comfortable discussing this here, however fucked this place may be.
Avagantamos 06.10.24	ten years ago autechre's music held me back from the brink of suicide, then later on I discovered three 6 mafia and they cured my depression. as goofy as it may sound, I couldn't help but feel anything but happy while listening to their head spinning, lo-fi, occult murder robber hip hop. not saying autechre and three 6 are what you need, I just hope you can find something similar. I say listen to whatever makes you happy, even if that includes violent extreme metal; music works in mysterious ways.
Hawks 06.10.24	Thats my issue. I do love extreme metal but I feel like its possible that SO much of it over such an extended period of time is causing a bad effect. I may be off base but idk. Talked to my wife about it and she kinda agreed.
bighubbabuddha 06.10.24	Kikagaku Moyo Gentle Giant Magazine Be kind to yourself dude, you are part of the universe, that makes you immeasurably valuable
Hawks 06.10.24	Appreciate you buddy!!!
pyroflare77 06.10.24	I mean it's all about how you vent, innit? When I get hit with a depressive episode, I'm reaching for some real sad or mad shit. Obviously I'm not a good litmus test for your dilemma since I got clinical depression and have listened to metal for like 15+ years lol. But I really needed it at some low points. Also like idk if you're not looking at lyrics and viewing songs in a vacuum, I'd really hesitate to call a lot of death or black violent/hateful.
Demon of the Fall 06.10.24	yeah, there may be something in this, but usually music that reflects how I'm feeling helps with the coping process, in the way of catharsis etc. I do think there's actually evidence to suggest that listening to at least some 'angry' music helps calm the listener rather than rile them up, for instance, but I guess it can't be the same in all situations! sometimes it's good to take a break / listen to other things either way, I personally can't really listen to too much heavy music these days, I like to spread it out a little more 1, 2 + 16 are jams!
zakalwe 06.10.24	Anything and everything does have an impact on if you are directly engaging with it no matter how subtle or no matter how much you may think otherwise or write it off as trivial. You’re not alone mate. You will overcome.
budgie 06.10.24	thats not guaranteed he could b eaten by a shark tomrorw nobody knows
Frost15 06.10.24	Ok, I'm really glad you expressed this Hawks because I've been there at least 4 times in the last 20 years. Metal music helped me A LOT to deal/cope (hate that word but I guess it is in some cases...) with all kinds of mental trauma. As I have stated several times in here, music have acted like a drug for me. And just like any drug it may create a situation of dependency where its benefits start to be overshadowed by its adverse effects (addiction, mood swings, emotional incontinence...) Like others have expressed there is evidence that metal music may indeed help ease and channel negative thoughts, the problem is (in my experience) once you are on it for too long it starts to affect you, the overall anger and bleakness overwhelms you and deppressive or negative states occur more often. I do believe this is specially true with the more extreme subgenres of metal (death, black...). Knowing when to stop is great, and if you feel music is getting to you in a bad way you should definitely follow your intuition and stop. In my case I've had weeks long periods of detox or a shift in music type. My go to genres for a different kind of energy are jazz, 70s prog rock, or some psychedelic stuff, which somehow helps my mind to be abstracted from everything. Stuff like Herbie Hancock and Miles Davis is great for a change.
Demon of the Fall 06.10.24	I've probably never binged death / black etc. to the point it was all I was consuming. I can imagine it becoming overwhelming to a degree. I find that my appreciation starts to wain before these negative thoughts occur fortunately, in that smaller doses are preferable so it doesn't become a 'blur of heaviness'. Good thoughts. I can understand the 'too much of a good thing as a negative / addiction' angle from other pastimes / dependencies even if I've never gotten to that point with metal, specifically all about balance I guess
zakalwe 06.10.24	We are a right bunch of mad bastards round these parts m/
anat 06.10.24	My go-to brain cleansers are: Ben Howard - Noonday Dream Fishmans - Long Season Both are contemplative, rich in atmosphere, and way more engaging than whale noise or an ambient soundscape I turn to them both when I’m in a mental rut and a music burnout
zakalwe 06.10.24	Ambient is the cleanser for me. Eno is the goto
DoofDoof 06.10.24	Hope things are getting better for you Hawks, but you've also been good company here this year so don't overly sweat how you're coming across online I'd say m/
DoofDoof 06.10.24	'Ambient is the cleanser for me. Eno is the goto' Loscil for me, what a legend
Winesburgohio 06.10.24	sorry to hear you're going through it, i definitely know how horrid it is - but it's really heartening to see your instincts are to take care of yourself! i would trust whatever your gut is telling you, because music can affect mood (duh). E.g.! In the aftermath of a recent breakup I stuck to really abstract music and not wallowing in more specific albums helped I think. But really just gravitate towards what feels right and hit pause if it doesn't. The other thing, which sucks, is that certain albums can end up having connotations. E.g.! I find it hard to listen to Centipede Hz (it Hz too much) or Skullcrusher, to name two of many, because it re-mires me in darkness. Which sucks!!! Best avoided. Be well xx
artificialbox 06.10.24	You are what you eat, and I think that applies to music too. I know some time I’ll be so stuck in a loop of listening to angry music all the time and I don’t realize how much of an affect it has on my subconscious until I throw on Charli XCX and all of a sudden I’m in a good mood lol. Definitely gotta have some balance. Sending hugs your way big dawg.
jrlikestodance 06.10.24	Sorry you're going through it Hawks. Def can relate with mental health struggles as I have been going through it this year especially. I do find keeping a wide range of music helps as like you said death metal and what not can start to affect you heavily whether subconsciously or not. I agree with those who say diversifying your genres helps 100%. I also suggest reconnecting with friends and family you haven't talked to or seen in a while. I always try to remind myself they care a lot about me whether I think that or not. We are always at war with our thoughts so getting that reminder people still love you really makes a difference. If you ever need to chat or just need some non metal music feel free to holla!
anode 06.10.24	Sorry to hear you’re having a rough time. The only time I question if metal is bad for my mental health is when I’m tripping so no I don’t think it’s bad for my mental health. I think the way we interface with music can be unhealthy though. I know a lot of more music/mood oriented people look to certain types of music when they are in certain mental states so if you’re feeling angry or violent or depressed and you listen to music that perpetuates those emotions it could be a bad thing. For example I could see a person with violent tendencies listening to goregrind as being a bad thing under certain circumstances. But really, I think we are mostly responsible for our emotions and music is just an extension of that. I personally don’t listen to dm and bm because I don’t engage in fantastical or gratuitous thoughts very often and therefore struggle to connect with it (among other reasons). I would recommend books such as the promise of a new day or eckhart tolles the power of now to try and get another perspective on emotions and how we interact with them in the grand scheme of things as it’s the best thing I’ve done to reassess myself when going through mental challenges
MO 06.10.24	"As you all know, I love black and death metal but I'm really truly starting to feel that ingesting so much violent and hateful music over 20+ years is actually starting to have an adverse effect on me. " I have taken a rather large back step away from metal quite honestly, partly from this, but also from me just over listening to it for so long that A LOT of it I find stale. I find it hard to get excited for new bands since in my mind, everything has been done (cop out I know but yea). I got huge into synthwave and jumping more into chill and classic rock to discover those gems I missed in my youth
Hawks 06.10.24	Thank all of u guys so much!! Lots of amazing insight here and cool to see everyone's opinions on this matter. I really really appeciate all of the kind words and advice. Thread has turned out very wholesome indeed! :]
Motiv3 06.10.24	Truthfully Hawks, you know yourself better than any of us are going to know you so listen to yourself first and foremost and do what feels right for you. If you feel as though death and black metal are making you and your mental health worse at this stage then listen to what your head and heart is telling you and stop. Nothing wrong with taking a break and going on to other genres or things you enjoy. Also depends on your mood, when I feel anxious I find listening to ambient music for me example helps to relax me. Sometimes when I'm angry having aggressive/abrasive music helps get my frustration out and sometimes it makes me even more mad lol. Again depends on the situation and circumstance. So yeah listen to yourself first and foremost. Your gut instinct is normally the correct one. Or you could even take a break away from music entirely and do something else. Anyway if you need anything then reach out to me. I'm all ears :)
Hawks 06.10.24	I could never take a break from music entirely bro. Its the main thing that really helps me unwind, especially after work at night. But yeah I agree about trusting my instincts and this is how I'm feeling now. Ambient, electronic, jazz, folk and indie stuff are gonna be my go-to's for the next few months at least. Like I said, listening to almost exclusively extreme metal for 2 decades just has kinda burnt me out and its coinciding with me not feeling amazing.
jrlikestodance 06.10.24	For what it's worth, taking a break from metal for a few years lead me to dating my amazing girlfriend of 7+ years and falling in love with dance/electronic music at the same time. Also when I revisit metal and hardcore now, I have a much greater appreciation than when it was all I listened to. Not saying this will exactly happen but wanted to offer my perspective there (:
Hawks 06.10.24	Thank you bro, I'm glad to hear that! I love extreme metal so much but I definitely need a break. All of you guys have been super helpful. I genuinely appreciate all the support and advice.
ToSmokMuzyki 06.10.24	i for one completed no metal march and trv to my word i did not cheat save accidental clips that showed up/wasnt expecting but immediately turned off and it was easily one of the worst times of my life that said i do become completely exhausted of all music now n again and just drop all of it and let life's casual ambiances be the only ear filler for a while (usually ~2 weeks but whenever i get tired of merely having life's casual ambiances be my only aural entertainment the desire comes back) its pretty much like that for anything tho, we're not made to do any one thing constantly and forever and absence makes the heart grow fonder etc etc
Rastapunk 06.10.24	Yeah man I fell you! Black metal can be a pain when depressed, and it can also help, it really depends on the person. There is so much different music out there, why stay just a few genres? I have a book called 1001 albums you must listen to in your life, from 1950s to 2005 or something, it's taking me on a journey with so many discoveries, I really recommend expanding your horizon on music. I do come back to Black Metal, but sometimes, I need something different emotionnally and musically too. Mental health can be really hard, I felt a few times no joy in listening to anything (or doing anything).
Hawks 06.10.24	Oh man I'm gonna have to look that book up right now. Thanks for the tip!
PitchforkArms 06.10.24	Straight up I understand this. Cheesy as hell, but I usually can improve my outlook by doing some cooking while listening to some upbeat big band / jazz / blues.
Hawks 06.10.24	Yeah bro its honestly weird and a little sad for me if I'm being honest. I think its the best thing for me at this moment though. John Coltrane has been a huge go-to for me over the past couple months. Love that guy.
Frost15 06.10.24	(Piano playing in the background) A love supreme... A love supreme... A love supreme...
Dedes 06.10.24	I can't say i've experienced this as an explicit issue with metal but I understand the sentiment of angry/sad music feeding into the emotional well as a mindset rather than liberating, and honestly it's while I found sometimes I feel way fucking better just listening to some goofy ass power metal than jamming Departures the 348947th time I get my heart broken. So I give you two of the jolliest jams ever-Lost Horizon's "A Flame to the Ground Beneath" and Supercell's "Today Is a Beautiful Day".
Futures 06.10.24	i don't get this at all with metal due to the usually indescribable lyrics but i do think sad music is more draining than it is cathartic. if i'm listening to depressing stuff it does bring out those bad feelings and make me reflect usually in a bad way even if i'm doing alright otherwise. that's when i go back to the old nostalgia favorites which usually do evoke a good feeling.
Spec 06.10.24	I find music mostly enhances whatever mood I’m already in. My tastes change with the seasons though, bm for example is pretty much useless for me in the summer.
cylinder 06.10.24	those last two recs i gave you on your 'rec Hawks anything' list are perfect for this new direction, man
Hawks 06.10.24	Love u guys!! Hell yeah Cylinder I gotta go look at that damn list.
Egarran 06.10.24	According to science, the recipe for your condition is shrooms and Tool.
Hawks 06.10.24	No Tool for me bro lmao.
MetalMarcJK 06.11.24	> No Tool for me bro lmao. You are definitely a sensible dude.
Asdfp277 06.11.24	i recommend ryo fukui - scenery good luck dude
MetalMarcJK 06.11.24	Hawks, I’m glad you realized your mental health was poor. You’re correct: metal can have negative effects on us, particularly if we’re overexposed to it. Check out Stephen Hough’s “Chopin Nocturnes” album. It’s a five-star album if I’ve ever heard one. I hope and pray you’ll heal soon. m/
Trebor. 06.11.24	Hyperpop Hawks
Faraudo 06.11.24	I still love heavy music very much, but my enjoyment of it has reduced significantly as years have gone by, I kinda get you, man. Start with stuff like Weyes Blood and Japanese Breakfast, both are pretty great.
Hawks 06.11.24	Thank you guys for all the kind words and recs! Definitely looking forward to jamming some of these bands. Actually is pretty exciting to finally deep dive genres that I never have given enough of my time.
FearThyEvil 06.11.24	In my personal opinion, unless you're drowning yourself in only listening to metal all day every day without much branching out, I don't see it causing issue. To me it's like the same discussion with violent video games not having a correlation to violent thoughts all the time. Sure, I can definitely say their are times where listening to metal a lot can make me depressed and such but I'd also argue it's far from just the music. I'd imagine there's an underlying issue and using the music as the escapism isn't working as well as it used to creating this way of thinking. I listen to metal almost every day and while I deal with a lot of depression/anxiety, I wouldn't say it's due to the music I listen to but obviously what's going on around me. I have my moods and certain albums can make my mood better or worse regardless if it's metal, indie, rap etc. I think as a whole, if you're stuck to one genre for the entire time and use it as escapism without going around trying other things, this type of thinking would be pretty common. So in the shortest way I should've worded is I think all music would do this if you only stuck to it for so long without diversifying so much. I adore metal but I genre hop everywhere on any given day
FearThyEvil 06.11.24	I think if someone else devoted just as much time into like indie, electronic, etc it would create burnout the same exact way. It just so happens in your case metal as a whole, specifically black/death metal was your go to's for so long.
Egarran 06.11.24	Metal music can open a gate in your head that makes it easier for demons to possess you.
Demon of the Fall 06.11.24	which is a good thing, yes?
Colton 06.11.24	agreed you should drop the metal. begin a new journey. check my 5s and 4.5s if you need guidance
botb 06.11.24	What fear said, you do you, but I strongly doubt there’s a correlation. If anything having the release of listening to stuff like that makes me less depressed and/or anxious.
Hawks 06.11.24	Great post Fear!! I do agree and thats why I'm torn. I feel like its probably in my head, but at the same time its just how I'm feeling at the moment even if I am a bit off base with my reasoning I guess? Idk bros. I am very happy this thread turned out how it did.
robertsona 06.11.24	I talk about this with my high school students a lot, the ways in which music can make us feel better: augmenting a bad mood (listen to angry metal or rap when you're angry) for catharsis, or redirection of the negative emotion through listening to nice soft music, or whatever other processes people have. I can tell music is super therapeutic for the students and often it's intense music with lyrics about bad stuff--and one of my lines to ask students is whether listening to music about shooting guns makes us more or less likely to do so for real, an old but I think valuable conversation--but sometimes they'll instead opt for the soft tones of cash cobain. always interesting to talk about
Hawks 06.11.24	Another awesome comment. Thanks bro. :]
Christbait 06.11.24	When's the last time you had a real good cry, Hawks? Finding something that can at elicit some sort of emotional response could be helpful. Even if the music isn't directly causing you to feel worse, the general nihilistic tone of BM/DM can start to weight heavily, especially when you're in a vulnerable state. As far as suggestions, Fleet Foxes's s/t is a great album to marinate in. Sigur Ros is also a good one to kickstart a nice crying session (basically all of Takk...). Hope things start to turn around for you :)
Hawks 06.11.24	Honestly it hasn't been THAT long but that might be what I need. Thanks bro. :]]
frozencarl 06.11.24	happy music is for posers ily hawks hope u feel better bro, jam some carly rae jepsen
robertsona 06.11.24	the two songs I find most calming on an immediate level involve glitch effects, which is interesting dettinger - intershop 2 aix em klemm - the luxury of dirt parfait
Hawks 06.11.24	You guys are awesome. Actually turned on a bm track last night accidentally and the vox actually jarred me in an uncomfortable way. Thats how I know I'm making the right decision. That moment was actually crazy for me cause something like that has never happened.
TheManMachine 06.11.24	now we just need the mental health and sputnik thread
Asdfp277 06.11.24	oh boy
Hawks 06.11.24	Nah bro this thread is good and wholesome. Don't need any BS. Thats the last thing I need right now lol.
el_newg 06.11.24	the music is just exacerbating feelings you already have it's not metal's fault lol try therapy if you are not already, it can be a tough journey but it'll be worth it
Hawks 06.11.24	Well yeah I know its not metal's fault bro lol. Just the feelings its giving me now and its weird because I have never experienced it. Just a new feeling.
Christbait 06.11.24	There's a little bit of conditioning going on now too. You're just recognizing what triggers a particular response (emotional, thought, or behavioral). It's like someone who eats Skittles every time they're depressed. Yeah, the Skittles didn't cause the depression, but eating them when you're feeling better just recalls those shit feelings. Putting some distance between it and yourself can be a good thing (while also practicing self-care yadda yadda yadda).
Hawks 06.11.24	My thoughts exactly bro!!
artiswar 06.11.24	i’ve honestly had similar thoughts in the past 2 years Hawks. But i can’t stop, metal is just too important of an outlet for me to give up. I know you don’t like me but i genuinely want you to be ok
bighubbabuddha 06.11.24	Hawks bro, i recommend youtube videos of Thich Naht Hanh talking, his aura emanates peace and his voice is like ASMR
ToSmokMuzyki 06.11.24	i recommend long walks on the beach
Jurtz 06.11.24	You've got this bro, never give up.
gabba 06.11.24	Metal is the part of your soul, you can’t really put it aside for long, and that’s fine. I’m sure it triggers many joyful memories also, and you need these. Variety is the key, whichever artist/genre we’re jamming, we shouldn’t get stuck in the loop, that’s why discog binges are so exciting. Even dreampop could kill people on the long-term lol, nobody can stay happy infinitely, and that’s okay, we need balance. Apart from this, the role of physical exercise can’t be overhyped. It is extremely difficult when one’s really low, but it does miracles, force yourself and do it! Combine walks/runs with music, and you’ll condition yourself for positive emotions, rewarding moments. Keep a diary! You already told us about how you feel, which is amazing, but now make a plan, share it here, commit to it, and update us about the progress. And we’ll either cheer or kick your ass, whichever seems to be more appropriate at the time.
auberginedreams 06.11.24	Hope you’re doing okay dude. I know how it feels, that’s why I’ve always gravitated towards listening to and now making music about mental health struggles because I think these feelings are way more common than people realize and we could all try to be more open about it so that people don’t have to go through it alone anymore.
Hawks 06.11.24	Awesome ideas in here bros. Thank you all for your advice! I need it for sure.
pyroflare77 06.11.24	Really it's the rest of metal's fault for having death and black be the only subgenres trying anything new
BMDrummer 06.11.24	I've noticed over the last couple of years that I will, without meaning to, go for weeks or even months at a time without listening to anything "heavy" at all, like no screaming vocals, distorted guitars, etc. I remember an ex pointing out to me once that I listened to hardcore/skramz every single time I drove in a particularly bad period of my life, and since then, I've really thought more about the relationship between my own mental health and abrasive music. I've never been one for "happy" music by any means, but I've grown to really appreciate lots of things I never thought I would by just completely diving into the deep end. These days, a lot of what I listen to is garage rock from the late 60s (Nuggets type stuff) because I feel like it has the amount of abrasive/weirdo stuff I need but without a lot of the overtly dark stuff that one finds in more modern forms of heavy music. This isn't to say just listen to 60s music and tune out of the world, but finding comfort, almost junk food, type music has been very rewarding in ways I didn't expect. On top of all this, going through heavy music from the past has been really helpful for me just through realizing that the topics we sing about have not changed all that much; i.e., people have always been down in the same ways we are today, and idk I find that comforting. Also, take as many walks as you can, walking until I'm exhausted usually forces me to lighten up in some way. Hang in there bud, we all visit that place sometimes and your stay is always one day closer to being over.
Ladron93 06.12.24	10 is my pick on your list, Hawks. I used to listen to Porter Ricks' Biokinetics a few times, not much these days. Good ambient album. It's not my fave personally, though. -- Hawks: Thats my issue. I do love extreme metal but I feel like its possible that SO much of it over such an extended period of time is causing a bad effect. I may be off base but idk. Talked to my wife about it and she kinda agreed. That's why I stopped obsessing with extreme metal in 2013, after Deafheaven's Sunbather and Dark Tranquillity's Construct. Mikael Akerfeldt is a good example of this. He was exhausted with death metal music when he made Heritage and there was no death metal in the album. Anyways, I can listen to thrash metal/death metal/black metal from the 80s, 90s or 2000s for one time myself again. The catch is I don't feel very enthusiastic of death metal/black metal as I was a teenager or 18 yrs old. -- zalkalwe. I love Eno, especially Apollo (1983). I'm with Frost, Demon of the Fall, jrlikestodance, anode, MO, Motiv3, FearThyEvil, gabba, auberginedreams. Good points, though. *Futures, as well. That's why I don't get so obsessed with Low, This Mortal Coil, Sun Kil Moon, etc. for many times. xP I guess that's the reason why I created my album playlists to listen to albums from musicians and bands I've missed on the List section or in my blog.
Arked 06.12.24	I observe clear correlation between mental health and my listening habits. I surely listen to much more music in general when I'm not well. Extreme music also becomes overrepresented in my music choices. So yeah, I think there is some cause-and-effect relationship in both directions. My counterbalance for it is consuming... kpop. Yep, it heals me a bit.
Frost15 06.12.24	Hawks all you need is to open your 3rd eye and listen to Tool really (had to say it, forgive me...) rofl XDDDDD "Metal is the part of your soul, you can’t really put it aside for long, and that’s fine." I felt that man and I agree, metal is part of ourselves.
Hawks 06.12.24	Metal is definitely part of me. I have been listening to metal for 2/3 of my life. This break is nice though.
pizzamachine 06.12.24	The pursuit of happiness is the pursuit of life. If fucking your kitchen table makes you happy pursue that. Indeed, happiness comes in many forms.
Thranth 06.12.24	listen to devourment
Thranth 06.12.24	"If fucking your kitchen table makes you happy pursue that." when will people learn that hedonism is why we have so much depression in the modern world
Ryus 06.12.24	well meaning advice but i dont think rank hedonism is the solution lol happiness is not the same as pleasure
Ryus 06.12.24	go fuck me fckin thranth sniped me
Hawks 06.12.24	I love this thread and all of u.
Thranth 06.12.24	love u 2 bud. also go to the gym if you dont already
Hawks 06.12.24	Was just talking to my wife about getting a gym membership. I do some home workouts but I def need more.
arthropod 06.12.24	Karate also helps.
Thranth 06.12.24	goodluck, dont hesitate when it comes to things that objectively good for you
Hawks 06.12.24	Hell yeah bros. Lol Arth bro I'm sure it is but idk if my body could handle that. Maybe 10 years ago hahaha.
arthropod 06.12.24	Positive effect: fulfillment (if your sensei isn't a dickhead) Negative effect: barely walking for 2 weeks Seriously though, I think physical activity in general helps. I hope you'll be okay.
Hawks 06.12.24	I agree. I have a lot of supressed rage and agression also so yeah, I need a gym. I wanna get a punching bag for my basement as well.
Ryus 06.12.24	"I wanna get a punching bag for my basement as well." u should check if colton is available
Hawks 06.12.24	Colton are u????
Frost15 06.12.24	All the anger transforms into eventual sadness and dysthymia periods in my case. Reading pessimist writers like Schopenhauer or Benatar helps me more than punching anything tbh. If I want to go physical a good outdoors calisthenics session gets my mind at ease. "happiness is not the same as pleasure" Indeed, that's a huge conceptual/collective problem today. We are sold pleasures as happiness, just to become addicts of pleasure consuming, dopamine and shit... Complex topic here, but very important for the current state of things.
Thranth 06.12.24	'Reading pessimist writers like Schopenhauer or Benatar' this isnt the thinking mans metal thread tho??
bighubbabuddha 06.12.24	gym is a great way to improve mood, negative thoughts, self-esteem and have a healthier body. Running or rowing for twenty minutes releases so many endorphins. Weight training is also rewarding, a mix of weights and cardio works best for me :)
budgie 06.12.24	also, interspecies sex
Rastapunk 06.14.24	How are you doing Hawks? The book I was talking about was in French but here is a list that I believe is the same. It doesn't have the description of the ambum the book has though. Did you find something to bring out your anger?
VlacDrac 06.14.24	Take the calisthenicspill, Hawks. Muscle ups are a great exercise.
Demon of the Fall 06.14.24	"when will people learn that hedonism is why we have so much depression in the modern world" I'm such a slave to this tbh, always looking for that next buzz. The usual stuff. Fortunately no hard drugs (these days) but yeah. And I understand the connection with music for sure you know what's weird, I even sometimes get a buzz from simply rating / raising my rating for something. I'm very slow to update ratings and very rarely do so on a whim, but that build-up magnifies the payoff. In fact I'd argue the thrill of the anticipation is enough, lol Weird. Therapy moment.
Dedes 06.14.24	@hawks Join PF and come with me for back and bi day We're doing the Rich Piana 8-hour arm workout
Jurtz 06.14.24	"when will people learn that hedonism is why we have so much depression in the modern world" Nail on the head.
Jurtz 06.14.24	My medicine for mental health is long and brisk walks.
Hawks 06.14.24	Rasta bro I am actually feeling a lot better this week. New Ulcerate is the only extreme metal album I've jammed since making this list. And great point Demon bro. I actually went through last night and wiped a bunch of my ratings for albums I either don't remember clearly and stuff I've only jammed once like a decade ago. Definitely feels a bit therapeutic for sure.
Futures 06.14.24	been jammin some dio sabbath and it's life affirming stuff even if some stuff is sad lyrically. just beastly vocals that make you feel good and pumped about life.
LilLioness 06.14.24	Not to dismiss/erase your mental health problems, but music is not the cause. If you are concerned over your demeanor/behavior of late, it would be prudent to seek a therapist and take up a hobby that relaxes you.
Hawks 06.14.24	I never said it was the cause of it. Obviously music doesn't cause mental health issues lol. I said it I feel like it contributes to it when I feel like shit.

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