ArsMoriendi
01.10.21 | idk name a ton of indie bands and what category they'd fit
And yell at me for putting certain bands in the wrong cateogy |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
01.10.21 | I disagree with deerhunter being sweater |
ArsMoriendi
01.10.21 | I listen to them for comforting reasons idk |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
01.10.21 | Yeah but in spirit to me they are modern grind, deffs no rules |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
01.10.21 | They just seem too a bit too risque for sweater. Not so much lately tho |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
01.10.21 | "Broken Arthouse specs" deerhunter |
Minushuman24
01.10.21 | Built to Spill, that grind? |
ArsMoriendi
01.10.21 | idk them well enough, but I'd guess 1? |
JustJoe.
01.10.21 | damn i am sweater as fuck |
JustJoe.
01.10.21 | yeah they are 1 minus |
JustJoe.
01.10.21 | i think |
Minushuman24
01.10.21 | Aw shit I don't wanna switch my census category but 1 is looking mighty fine
Well 1 will probably have Dismemberment plan, Sebadoh, and superchunk. Maybe 1 or 3 Unwound, June of 44, A Place to bury Strangers. |
Minushuman24
01.10.21 | My Dad is Dead is maybe 1 or 3, idk I'm dumb |
ArsMoriendi
01.10.21 | i'm putting the major post punk revival bands in 1 |
Colton
01.11.21 | Oh god did this just become an actual thing |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Maybe? It's fun whatever it is
Name some bands, I'm not the site's indie expert |
porcupinetheater
01.11.21 | Xiu Xiu is all of these at different points tbh |
Colton
01.11.21 | PJ Harvey is latte indie for people who had a goth phase in middle school |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | You don't know enough by PJ Harvey to speak on PJ Harvey, she changes drastically almost every album. Like only 3 of her 12 albums are "gothy." also, oh wow you 2'd Is This Desire? ...ugh Colton why? |
Dewinged
01.11.21 | I still stand by grind |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | snowmine is sweater |
Colton
01.11.21 | you don't wanna know ars
also AC is not latte at all |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | sleigh bells is like grind/sweater |
Colton
01.11.21 | snowmine is sweater/latte imo |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | yeah i was just about to edit my comment good looking out |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Colton called PJ Harvey Latte, when she doesn't fit that at all (except maybe Stories from the City), so I'll need a 2nd opinion on AC to move them |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | @JustJoe.: I'm checking a Sleigh Bells song right now and WTF it samples Funkadelic's Can You Get to That (great song) |
Colton
01.11.21 | listen to anything pre-Sung Tongs |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | FINE I'll move them to mixture, but their big stuff is Latte |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | animal collective only became latte but honestly they operate very much outside of that i would put them in like sweater/grind/latte |
Colton
01.11.21 | PJ Harvey is latte indie for people who have never actually had a latte cause drinking black coffee is a huge part of their identity |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | yeah sleigh bells is awesome like that ars |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | pj isn’t latte she never struck me to have those vibes |
Colton
01.11.21 | undercover latte |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | but i only ever really heard some songs here & there & can’t quite recall which ones |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | one time colton read an article where pj harvey admitted that she had heard of lattes before so she automatically is latte now |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | "PJ Harvey is latte indie for people who have never actually had a latte cause drinking black coffee is a huge part of their identity"
You're using latte indie as an insult, but I placed bands I genuinely like in the latte category, so uh it's not? |
Colton
01.11.21 | nahhh not even |
Mort.
01.11.21 | pj harvey cant be latte simply because of the 'Man Size' sextet version |
LeddSledd
01.11.21 | could Orchid count for 3? |
GhandhiLion
01.11.21 | wow what a twist |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | @Ledd: No idea, are they indie? |
Colton
01.11.21 | Orchid doesn't belong anywhere on an indie list, or a music site, or anywhere at all really |
GhandhiLion
01.11.21 | Landfill indie was a buzzword for generic uk indie from the 2000's |
LeddSledd
01.11.21 | @Ars idk, I saw some hardcore groups on the GRIND category and they came to mind. they're definitely grind with some emo mixed in, not sure about indie tho
@Colton you don't like eggs stfu |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Where would Neutral Snooze Hotel go? Category 4? |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | Cigarettes After Sex are latte indie, early AnCo is sweater indie, next
@Ghandhi lol yes, made extra famous by this overdefensive slog of an NME article https://www.nme.com/en_asia/features/landfill-indie-snobbery-2742436 |
Colton
01.11.21 | latte |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | "I saw some hardcore groups on the GRIND category and they came to mind"
Fair, I tried to only pick ones who are associated with the indie scene, so if Orchid would fit that I'll add 'em |
GhandhiLion
01.11.21 | Why is the swans and melted banana on here |
sixdegrees
01.11.21 | Where is indie spork |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Indie kids love Swans tbh, especially their 2010-2014 stuff
@Where is indie spork: Ask johnny, he made the categories, but realistically either GRIND or multiple categories at once |
Mort.
01.11.21 | johnny thats the second time that article has been posted on sput today lol |
Mort.
01.11.21 | yeah Swans was massive here tbh a few years ago. people dont seem to talk about them as much now |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | Ars listen to literally any Orchid song and tell me they fit the indie scene.
Broken Social Scene, Supercar, Oasis, Pulp, Nirvana, The National, Life Without Buildings, Lydia, Metric, Mew, The Weakerthans, The Veils, Polyenso, Interpol, Ben Howard, Bright Eyes, Julien Baker, Marika Hackman, Sharon van Etten, Big Thief, The Wrens, Courtney Barnett, Stereolab, Destroyer, Hop Along
and others all noticeably absent (maybe some of them are here?) |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | Paha when was the first mort?
Swans and MxBx indie appeal is real |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Can you sort those cuz I've literally never heard of The Veils or Polyenso
Also Nirvana? They're indie?????? |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | orchid the screamo band do not belong even in the comments of this thread |
Cygnatti
01.11.21 | !! |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | lydia is like sweater/latte |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | if you're putting Melt-Banana on an indie list but disputing Nirvana, you need to change ur water supply asap |
GhandhiLion
01.11.21 | Really? Swans are mostly no wave influenced experimental rock and m-b are skin graft core. |
Mort.
01.11.21 | @johnny
https://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=68862&page=24#comments |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | All the indie kids I knew at uni had it big for The Seer and TBK ngl
|
LeddSledd
01.11.21 | i think it's Melt-Banana that's throwing me off here
@jotw because Fantano liked it, most of the people i know who heard of swans heard it from him |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | I already had Oasis and The National, and Joe got me to add Lydia, pls help with th others, I guess Interpol and Nirvana are obvious though |
Cygnatti
01.11.21 | donut put orchid on here or perish |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | @Cygnatti: I won't |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | "because Fantano liked it"
ditto for MxBx I guess, and probs the reason Fetch is their only album I can vaguely jive with being here |
sixdegrees
01.11.21 | Name every indie band ever |
Cygnatti
01.11.21 | if britpop and shoegaze are on here (as well as proto-grunge), then no reason why grunge shouldn't be |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Unless it's like hip hop, jazz or metal, Fantano or Pitchfork loving it kinda makes it a little indie i guess
If you sort your giant list, I'll take Melt-Banana off though I suppose |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | in about 5 minutes this list will include all artists/bands ever arted/banded |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | "then no reason why grunge shouldn't be"
There's 0 way I'm putting Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots or any other "more metal than punk" grunge band on here. I like all of those bands, but indie? C'mon might as well include all alt rock if we're gonna do that |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | that strand of alt-rock may have appealed to a semi-indie crowd at some point like after after after the fact but they never like reached towards the indie listening environment |
GhandhiLion
01.11.21 | All of those bands are closer to indie rock than swans |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | i agree swans shouldn’t be on here |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | list needs more boards of canada |
LeddSledd
01.11.21 | swans shouldn't be on here [2]
popularity with certain crowds shouldn't denote a genre tbh
big with indie crowd =/= indie |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | "Broken Social Scene, Supercar, Life Without Buildings, Metric, Mew, The Weakerthans, The Veils, Polyenso, Interpol, Ben Howard, Bright Eyes, Julien Baker, Marika Hackman, Sharon van Etten, Big Thief, The Wrens, Courtney Barnett, Stereolab, Destroyer, Hop Along"
Help me with sorting this damn list Johnny posted and I'll take off Swans and Melt-Banana, but I'mt taking of Nirvana if that happens too... |
Cygnatti
01.11.21 | Not really a fan of putting all of alt-rock on here, but didn't what "indie rock" mean change between the 80s and the 90s? So some things that were called indie rock then don't really fit how it is used now? |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | johnny get the fuck over here & sort that shit |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | i think half the point of this is that it's anachronistic af
gonna make some coffee and will slap some labels. My Father Will Guide... is glorified indie rock and justifies Swans being here for me, but it is one album ? |
Mort.
01.11.21 | Swans are glorified mumblecore |
GhandhiLion
01.11.21 | Swans could be honorary soy latte
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/i/GhandhiLion/1111.jpg |
Mort.
01.11.21 | yep |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Isn't mumblecore a film genre though? |
Mort.
01.11.21 | yes
|
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | One of the worst films I ever saw was a mumblecore film called The Color Wheel. It was supposed to be a comedy and the main characters were SUPER obnoxious, which would've worked if it was funny, but it wasn't funny at all. It tried too hard to be ironic and insightful. And don't even get me started on the oddly predictable incest twist. |
Cygnatti
01.11.21 | ...what's mumblecore? |
Mort.
01.11.21 | obnoxious, trying too hard and oddly predictable is how i feel about swans funnily enough. I called them mumblecore because i feel they share the same sort of amateurish and self indulgent feel of a lot of mumblecore.
(ill admit i havent given them much of a chance so am totally willing to change my mind/give them another chance ) |
Mort.
01.11.21 | 'Mumblecore is a subgenre of independent film[1][2] characterized by naturalistic acting and dialogue (sometimes improvised), low-budget film production, an emphasis on dialogue over plot, and a focus on the personal relationships of people in their 20s and 30s. ' |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Pretty much mumbling indie yuppies |
Cygnatti
01.11.21 | sounds gay 👎 |
sixdegrees
01.11.21 | LANDFILL: Sebadoh
???????? |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | idk Minus said so, I thought it was weird, but I only know like 2 Sebadoh songs,
where should I put them six? |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | alright
why the fuck is early Arcade Fire down as grind. remove Lorde immediately for the same reasons you didn't add Orchid.
Broken Social Scene - SWEATER/LANDFILL (varies song to song, but sweater is probs stronger)
Supercar - early LANDFILL late SWEATER
Life Without Buildings - SWEATER
Metric - LANDFILL
Mew - LATTE (or maybe SWEATER, someone help me out)
The Weakerthans - SWEATER (!!!)
The Veils - LANDFILL ig
Polyenso - SWEATER
Interpol - LANDFILL
Ben Howard - SWEATER
Bright Eyes - LATTE (idk about earlier stuff, let's say ANGST LATTE)
Julien Baker - LATTE
Marika Hackman - LATTE
Sharon van Etten - RED FKING WINE (tossup between LATTE and SWEATER, someone else call it)
Big Thief - LATTE
The Wrens - probs SWEATER coz phero stans them
Courtney Barnett - LANDFILL
Stereolab - early GRIND, mid/late SWEATER
Destroyer - SWEATER
Hop Along - LANDFILL
Advantage Lucy - SWEATER
Pom Poko - LANDFILL/GRIND
dredg - LANDFILL
Brand New - LANDFILL
Spangle Call Lilli line - SWEATER
Sweet Trip - SWEATER
Soutaisei Riron - LATTE
Kero Kero Bonito - LATTE
Madeline Kenney - LATTE
Fiona Apple - SWEATER ig
Minus the Bear - LANDFILL
...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead - LANDFILL
GYBE + Sigur Ros - SWEATER
Editors - LANDFILL
mewitoutYou - SWEATER
Coldplay - LATTE
i hate you
|
sixdegrees
01.11.21 | Grind? |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | ^agree for the only sebadoh alb i jammed |
Mort.
01.11.21 | Life without buildings!!! id forgotten they existed |
Mort.
01.11.21 | i would like to say that Life Without Buildings should go with the artsy fartsy indie in indie 'grind' due to their artsy fartsyness but i understand |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | i always forget they exist for a few months and then remember and have a good month! ig on this spectrum they are essentially Deerhoof ft. latte, so maybe they have the right grind quotient idk
throw Big Black, Oxbow, Hair & Skin Trading Company, Limited Express (has gone?), ig Midori, maybe Lightning Bolt, probs Cindy Lee and definitely Women down in the GRIND box asap plz, shit's looking emaciated |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | how could i forget women |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | do i get my justjoe-core license revoked |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | @johnny: okay removed Swans, Melt-Banana, and Nirvana |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | Nirvana are a core text for indieheads, put them back |
Mort.
01.11.21 | speaking of oxbow, their such a fantastic band i dont see mentioned enough. Let Me A Women, Thin Black Duke and Narcotic Story are all near flawless records that have become favourites of mine over the last few years |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | eh that's saying Talking Heads is a text of indieheads who like Radiohead stuff |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | ^also a valid take
also where are joy division
also yes, everyone jam Oxbow!! i need to jam more Oxbow!!! |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | you jam oxbow |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Eh early post punk seems like it'd be pushin' it, no Heads, no Joy Divison
We're only 3 steps away from including something hella random like The Stooges and I don't like it |
Ryus
01.11.21 | put orchid on here |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | the near-entirety of the nyc scene was shameless joy division emulation, you can put them on an indie list |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | put hella on here because why the shit not i just wanna name artists at this point & opening this up to the entirety of a clusterfuck that is math rock proper would ruin everything |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | unless johnny says no in which case put them multiple times
😁 |
Mort.
01.11.21 | Dismemberment plan under landfill indie? oh lets just put braniac under there next shall we
disgraceful |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | do it
and take the grind label off arcade fire this trolling has gotten out of hand |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Nah I'm drawing the line there Johnny. No early goth. No Joy Divison, no Bauhaus, no Siouxsie Sioux. Also no grunge
Gotta draw the line somewhere... I mean does indie even mean anything |
sixdegrees
01.11.21 | Landfill as in their cds belong in a landfill? |
Mort.
01.11.21 | im going to bed anyway now goodbye pointless list |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | right, this list is shameful and not canon and will only lead people astray for generations to come
also you spelt mewithoutYou wrong |
Colton
01.11.21 | Protomartyr is a cool band |
sixdegrees
01.11.21 | This is a disaster |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | indie means nothing |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | ars you have profaned indie |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | yeah you perfumed indie how dare you |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | "Dismemberment plan under landfill indie?"
IDK they're not weird enough to be grind, they would not go over well in a coffee house so no latte, and they're not exactly warm like the sweater stuff, and they "rock out" or whatever |
Cygnatti
01.11.21 | "Dismemberment plan under landfill indie?"
yes. |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | 1980s - Indie and alternative are the same thing.
1990s - PFFT cool kids like indie, the conformists like alternative!
2000s - I mean they're kinda different, I think?
2010s - Indie and alternative are the same thing. |
GhandhiLion
01.11.21 | "the near-entirety of the nyc scene was shameless joy division emulation"
No??!? |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | *'00s strokes/interpol nyc landfill scene |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | we’re off the rails ladies & gentlemen |
Cygnatti
01.11.21 | this is great content, keep it up bois |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Where do I put NMH, if no one answers soon i'm just gonna put 'em in landfill |
Trifolium
01.11.21 | Omg now that I see this I'm so mega 4: SWEATER it isn't even funny. |
Pheromone
01.11.21 | so much of this wrong but is so so right - my 70/30 4/3 split was so right tho |
Pheromone
01.11.21 | NMH are landfill yh
|
Pheromone
01.11.21 | Low (sweater)
Pinback (sweater)
Archers of Loaf (grind / landfill)
Carissa's Wierd (sweater)
Eric's Trip (sweater / latte and grind kinda)
Swirlies (grind)
The Mountain Goats (sweater)
The Tallest Man on Earth (latte / sweater)
Spoon (bit stuck with this one, someone help a man out)
there are some other kinda big ones missing but these are necessary !
|
Pikazilla
01.11.21 | kill 2 with fire |
Pheromone
01.11.21 | then we'd have no belle & sebastian !
also arab strap for 1 |
RadioSuicide
01.11.21 | godspeed is existentialist indie what the hell is it doing in sweater smh what kinda list are you running here |
Sinternet
01.11.21 | these artists need moving
Coldplay - landfill
The National, Metric, Hop Along, Courtney Barnett, Minus the Bear, Neutral Milk Hotel - latte
Dinosaur Jr, The Dismemberment Plan, dredg, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Sweet Trip, mewithoutYou - grind
Beach House, Julien Baker, Belle & Sebastian - sweater |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | "dredg[...] Sweet Trip - grind
Beach House, Julien Baker [...] - sweater"
whut |
Pheromone
01.11.21 | Yh thats wrong |
JohnnyoftheWell
01.11.21 | imma go to bed and listen to Low goodbye |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | beach house is sweater-esque yeah |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | at this point though i think i am just putting sweaters on all the artists i really like |
Trifolium
01.11.21 | Omg JOE you're HERE! |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | hey trif
❤️ |
Sinternet
01.11.21 | eh dredg fair point
sweet trip head off into the noisier glitchier side a lot but they could be inbetween.
beach house though is warm snuggly music
and any category that has elliott smith and ben howard also has julien baker |
Trifolium
01.11.21 | Hi!
💕 |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | it’s a cold cafe that you happen to live in on the beach |
Cygnatti
01.11.21 | Sweet Trip in Sweater makes sense, especially if you count YWNKW more since it's a real indie album. |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | a latte home by the sea |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | "godspeed is existentialist indie what the hell is it doing in sweater smh what kinda list are you running here"
I'm kinda taking Johnny's word over most people since he's the one who's bringing these terms to Sputnik |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Beach House is dream pop for people who find all over dream pop too weird, so I'll change them to "LATTE/SWEATER" but not pure SWEATER |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | @Sint: I moved some of the bands based on your suggestions, but others like Dino Jr., The Dismemberment Plan don't really belong in grind since "being noise rock" isn't really enough, it's more about (at least according to Johnny) the whole "anything goes" vibe, which I don't get from either band 90% of the time)
|
Colton
01.11.21 | “and any category that has elliott smith and ben howard also has julien baker“
They couldn’t be more different |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | 1 - Older indie ROCK guys would jam to it
2 - Wouldn't be out of place in Starbucks
3 - NO RULES as a rule
4 - Comforting and warm
^kinda how I'm dividing this |
Colton
01.11.21 | Wait a fuckin minute |
Colton
01.11.21 | Did you put fucking tallest man on earth in latte |
Colton
01.11.21 | But mountain goats are sweater... bro |
Colton
01.11.21 | Spoon???? Stop |
Demon of the Fall
01.11.21 | So according to this I scored... 5, 2, 5, 7
Then accumulated a few extra pts in the mixed bag group for Radiohead, Stereolab, Lips, PJ etc.
Not sure how to feel about this. This also disagrees with Johnny’s choice of 1). |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | "Spoon???? Stop"
Kid A brand Radioheadcore is all getting Latte'd
In fact Radiohead 2000-present is listed as latte, it's okay, some latte is good, latte isn't the "bad" category |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | i will agree with beach house’s latte sweaterness |
Colton
01.11.21 | Putting Tallest Man in the same category as Julien Baker is extremely wrong and messed up |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | They're large categories, it's fine, I'll repost:
1 - Older indie ROCK guys would jam to it
2 - Wouldn't be out of place in Starbucks
3 - NO RULES as a rule
4 - Comforting and warm |
Colton
01.11.21 | If you played TMOE at a starbucks everyone would die |
Colton
01.11.21 | Also how tf is Spoon Radioheadcore
I hate genres and this list |
Pheromone
01.11.21 | Imagine thinking the mountains goats are more latte than TMOE in this theoretical argument. How are u so consistently wrong cton |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Isn't Tallest Man on Earth mellow emotional indie-folk? Like Bon Iver, but with very diff vocals? |
Colton
01.11.21 | Tallest Man is ragged, rough, cathartic, melodious, energetic, and fast. Latte indie is supposed to be slow and more meandering. Just because he plays guitar and sings doesn’t make it latte. And TMG are latte in all ways other than lyrics |
Pheromone
01.11.21 | U r wrong |
Pheromone
01.11.21 | Listen to all hail west texas n then listen to any TMOE
all hail is like a nice lo fi sweater n TMOE is like a nice sweet latte
N I like both
This is stupid |
Pheromone
01.11.21 | TMOE is not ragged rough n cathartic also lmao |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Also: can people name some more grind aren't that aren't just "noise rock"
I added Jenny Hval because she's hella weird and Liars because they're all over the place |
Pheromone
01.11.21 | Swirlies ars |
Colton
01.11.21 | Have you ever even listened to TMOE |
Colton
01.11.21 | Neither of you should be allowed to listen to music anymore |
Pheromone
01.11.21 | yh a kinda unique voice doesn't make something ragged rough n cathartic
Also add seam to sweater |
Colton
01.11.21 | It’s not about the voice ugh |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | "Neither of you should be allowed to listen to music anymore"
Says the dude who just 2'd The Dreaming lmao |
Colton
01.11.21 | Because The Dreaming is fucking awful. Anyways, back to the topic at hand
Neither of you deserve Tallest Man or could even handle him if you listened to Shallow Grave |
Pheromone
01.11.21 | where we putting beat happening |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | "where we putting beat happening"
Hmmm I wanna say Landfill, cuz that's where I'd put The Vaselines
TBH for a category called "landfill" there's a shit ton of good stuff in there |
Colton
01.11.21 | Ragged rough and cathartic are words everyone uses for TMOE’s early work honestly |
Demon of the Fall
01.11.21 | Liars’ inclusion officially puts category 3 over 1 for me, nice. I would say ‘volcano!’ are 3 but then no-one actually listens to ‘em. |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | tallest man on earth i have a little trouble latte-ing but i can see it at one of those quirky cafes but also where tf you gonna put him don’t say grind please don’t say grind |
Colton
01.11.21 | He should be his own category but he’s sweater |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | uncomfortable i rather not be wearing sweater sweater maybe but yeah he don’t belong in any of these categories at all even at all |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | i can get behind a category that carries my surname even if everyone in there i don’t really vibe to |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | oh shit can we somehow finesse liz harris into this pretty please |
Colton
01.11.21 | I’m reasonably confident if you played Tallest Man at a Starbucks people would be like “ew” |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | fuck starbucks tbh |
Colton
01.11.21 | Yeah it’s dumb |
JustJoe.
01.11.21 | drive-thru or gtfo |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Added some hypnogogic pop artists
Mac DeMarco and Ty Segall to 1 because: electric guitary
Ariel Pink and Jack Stauber to 3 because: "weird"
Jerry Paper to 4 because: sad and comforting |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | Also I moved Tallest Man because Joe's opinions are cool :P |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | TBH as much as I don't like it, this list is missing indie emo stuff like American Foot Ball and Sunny Day
Someone group those because I don't like them so I'd probably just callously toss 'em into Landfill |
Pheromone
01.11.21 | Putting Mercury rev in 1 despite making chasin a bee feels wrong |
ArsMoriendi
01.11.21 | I can't go by the singular songs
Chasing a Bee is category 4
Meth of a Rockette's kick is category 3
but most of their early work is "rocky" and "space rock jammy" |
Cygnatti
04.09.21 | great list |
ArsMoriendi
07.07.21 | Since the Johnny census was bumped |
Colton
07.07.21 | fjm's not latte cause sometimes he says mean things and stuff |
Ryus
07.07.21 | landfill lowkey lookin good with REM the smiths pavement dino jr and gbv
might need to rethink my census choices |
Ryus
07.07.21 | actually landfill looks like a mix of the best and worst of indie based on what you put in it |
Colton
07.07.21 | so we've covered who goes into what category and what bands go into what category but have we established actual definitions for these categories |
Ryus
07.07.21 | i strongly disagree with some of the placements here |
Colton
07.07.21 | as long as we can all agree grind is the worst |
GhandhiLion
07.07.21 | i strongly disagree with some of these being indie |
Colton
07.07.21 | yeah feels more like a music in general type of thing |
JustJoe.
07.07.21 | [retracted] |
DavidYowi
07.07.21 | Well shit when you put it like that I think I might be Indie Sweater |
ArsMoriendi
07.07.21 | "i strongly disagree with some of the placements here"
Which ones |
Ryus
07.07.21 | ariel pink is definitely not grind
belle and sebastian is probably sweater
idk what godspeed is doing here
beat happening is def sweater |
ArsMoriendi
07.07.21 | Removing Godspeed cuz you're right, can't think of why I included that one
-Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti is fucked up lo-fi and jarring. It's not his solo stuff that's listed
-Bell & Sebastian is about as Starbucks friendly as it gets, be honest here
I'll move Beat Happening though |
Ryus
07.07.21 | "Bell & Sebastian is about as Starbucks friendly as it gets, be honest here"
i guess, idk. bc theyre twee-influenced i associate them with sweater
"Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti is fucked up lo-fi and jarring. It's not his solo stuff that's listed"
yeah but i dont associate that with grind. unless grind is a catch-all for weird indie. idk what any of these categories mean so idk why im arguing anyway lol |
JohnnyoftheWell
07.07.21 | why are mewithoutyou in grind / daughters on this list / beach house not in latte / AnCo not in sweater / olivia tremor not in sweater / modest mouse not in landfill
This system is corrupt |
Ryus
07.07.21 | early modest mouse def got some grind influence |
ArsMoriendi
07.07.21 | Landfill - indie a dad rocker wouldn't mind
Latte - indie for people who just escaped top 40 radio and like cafes
Grind - Off-kilter indie
Sweater - warm comfort indie |
GhandhiLion
07.07.21 | ye where's Olivia Rodrigo |
LeddSledd
07.07.21 | favorite DIY bedroom indie artist |
Snake.
07.07.21 | landfill - 13/54
latte - 14/55
grind - 14/38
sweater - 16/45
grind wins woohoo |