JohnnyoftheWell
12.13.19 | boris bump >:[ |
Rowan5215
12.13.19 | hey man if it makes you feel better Australia is literally on fucking fire and our government refuses to allocate funds to put it out or take any restorative action whatsoever! |
JohnnyoftheWell
12.13.19 | Dude the planet is screwed :[
also Rowan check 1 it's pretty and short and you might vibe |
SlothcoreSam
12.13.19 | Join the fucked country club, who else wants to join?
So far we got USA, Australia, UK, Brazil, Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador.
You still need to check Pom Poko- Birthday. It is art punk/K-Pop Punk made by a Norwegian group. |
JohnnyoftheWell
12.13.19 | Shit Sam, you right! imma add it to my secret checklist ;] |
Rowan5215
12.13.19 | ty, added to the list johnny : ) probably not gonna get round to it till after the decade list is all wrapped up though |
JohnnyoftheWell
12.13.19 | Given that it's a hidden early 00s twee pop gem that is probably the correct approach lol |
Sinternet
12.13.19 | a nation of the ignorant retards sold lies by tyrannical millionaires like sheep to the slaughter
just waiting for all the old cunts to die off so hopefully the next generation won't have to struggle like we ndo |
JohnnyoftheWell
12.13.19 | 2020s tory britain: draining the nhs until people dependent on it start dying at the same rate as their pensioner voterbase |
JohnnyoftheWell
12.13.19 | fuck, it's gonna be fun being a Scot now... |
Sinternet
12.13.19 | god i'm actually jealous of you in scotland, not that i'd favour independence (though i wouldn't deny you the vote) but at least the snp have principles (not being tory mainly). now wait for climate change to kick in and your weather to get warmer and im set for moving |
JohnnyoftheWell
12.13.19 | The snp are a mixed bag and I don't trust them (especially in holyrood - always enjoy their westminster antics), but yeah at least they *represent* principles for the most part. I wouldn't vote for independence but am hoping we get a mandate for further devolution in all the clamour in that vein. see you there eventually though - can see you digging glasgow a lot |
Let
12.13.19 | Full posadism 2024. Not even Stormzy can convince y'all |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.13.19 | "just waiting for all the old cunts to die off so hopefully the next generation won't have to struggle like we ndo"
yea.... hard times we live in................................................................................................................................................................................................ |
Let
12.13.19 | Why wait |
Trebor.
12.13.19 | uk fuckin up again |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | Well it just goes to show you can’t fuck people over and expect to safely hold your core voters.
Now we will all be fucked over by Boris and his mob but not half as much as if it was Corbyn and his imbecile army.
Fuck Spin, Americanised campaign tactics, childish name calling, social media bullshit, London champagne socialists, the complete and utter disregard for the old, the working class, the unheard and the silent majority.
Let’s focus on what this country has always been ‘the best in the world at’ which is taking a breather, putting the kettle on, having a cynical moan and just soldiering on together.
🇬🇧 |
WatchItExplode
12.13.19 | Goodnight uk. Cheers! |
Trifolium
12.13.19 | Was still hoping for a miracle and you staying with us. Sad days.
Also I will check 1. |
Aerisavion
12.13.19 | Our country has been a laughing stock ever since the Brexit thing, can’t wait to see how they fuck it up next year. |
Aerisavion
12.13.19 | On a more positive note, 6 is amazing. |
Scheumke
12.13.19 | Looks like Britain voted to finally get this Brexit fiasco over with (I can't imagine all those people voted for Johnson because they think that he'd actually make a good pm). I can only applaud that I guess. Get that shit done and start building again. |
Aerisavion
12.13.19 | Because most of us are sick of hearing about it. Most of the older generation voted out, the middle aged generation voted in, and the younger generation either didn’t care or just didn’t get it.
At the time of the vote I was working in a pub and it’s all anyone ever talked about, you ended up seeing the same trends in the same ages. |
Trifolium
12.13.19 | I can imagine. The general consensus being "let's get it over with" or something. |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | General consensus is the young are pointless.
Boomers > |
Trifolium
12.13.19 | Haha zak. |
Jasdevi087
12.13.19 | at least the young can still go to the bathroom by themselves |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.13.19 | Speak for yourself |
JohnnyoftheWell
12.13.19 | "Let’s focus on what this country has always been ‘the best in the world at’ which is taking a breather, putting the kettle on, having a cynical moan and just soldiering on together."
It's coffee time, damn right. The last part of this speaks to me, am feeling a little guilty about leaving the country for the first time :/
Trif I swear I was playing the 3rd and 5th track on 1 on repeat half the night aha |
Trifolium
12.13.19 | Nice. It has just been moved to the top of my albums to check list. |
Aerisavion
12.13.19 | Honestly it’s political bullshit like this that makes me miss Rik Mayall.
A modernised version of Bottom set during Brexit would be fucking amazing |
NorwichScene
12.13.19 | I voted Labour #FuckBoris |
Bedex
12.13.19 | The funny thing is I am seeing Boris the band today |
Demon of the Fall
12.13.19 | 'I can't imagine all those people voted for Johnson because they think that he'd actually make a good pm'
Of course not, unfortunately the people were left with no viable alternative. Labour need to get their shit together, they well and truly fudged this up. I'd like to see what they can do under competent leadership and a little unity within their own ranks.
I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, this is a walk in the park compared to that Brexit result. |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | Exactly.
The country will continue to be disparate with an added hit of an economic decline which will pull people towards the opposition party.
If by some miracle Boris actually legit takes us out the EU and there is some tangible noticeable benefit of some sort within the next five years he will eventually be seen as one of the greats. |
Josh D.
12.13.19 | We have this cool heathcare over here called gofundme, y'all should at least look into it |
Deez
12.13.19 | We are fucked! Record amount of homeless and child poverty,food banks, NHS on its knees, People getting fucking knifed all over the country because there no police pressence. Try getting a fucking train that isnt delayed an hour! Im not a Corbyn disciple in teh slightest but Ive never seen a smear campaign like it in the last 3 years in all my life. Which showed the establishment were scared. That was the last chance of a left leaning government. Labour will retreat to centre , Tory light again like with that lizard cunt Blair. This nation is an Island full of fucking mongoloids who have some fucked up idea that we are still an Empire and by leaving the EU all the brown and black people will suddenly dissapear and they can freely go back to fucking their cousins and 'have their country back'. The next 5-10 years are going to be horrendous for anyone near the breadline and the sick and needy. Worse off , as in the states, it has shown you can just throw shit and Lie in your campaigns and see what sticks. No recourse. Just smear and Lie your way to power because people are fucking dumb. I dont see how you go back after that is a proven winner. |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | It’s the way it has always been deez lad. |
Egarran
12.13.19 | When do the riots start?
You're not fucked if it's enough to sit at home being angry.
>what this country has always been ‘the best in the world at’
Yeah fucking up countries. We didn't think it would be UK itself, but you know, karma and such. |
DDDeftoneDDD
12.13.19 | hummmm weeeeeird result...When we thought you're all regrets of Brexit...badabing! SMASH! |
DDDeftoneDDD
12.13.19 | The dude that directed the campaign is a millionaire! We're damn pawns! |
Egarran
12.13.19 | >When we thought you're all regrets of Brexit
oh they are, they just think this will make it go away lol |
DDDeftoneDDD
12.13.19 | The dude looks exactly like a Little Britain character! |
Mort.
12.13.19 | ayyy didnt know you liked US Maple. The State is Bad and Letter to ZZ Top were two of my most listened tracks this yr |
Deez
12.13.19 | Its worse now though with social media Zak and even more so i'd say the press. 'Politicians Lie' isnt some eureka moment but with the ability to fact check and share/debunk that so readily available yet its STILL so easy to convince people via consistently lying is frightening. This was just none stop smear and lies and no one cared. Even the whole '350 million to NHS' bollocks didn't deter anyone. Boris was a massive remainer just 2 years ago. fucks sake.
'When do the riots start?'
The government has been democratically elected. Theres nothing to riot about, technically ,because half of these fucking idiots don't feel the squeeze....yet but they will in the next few years and then it will start like it did a few years ago but to a much larger degree I reckon. I wouldnt put it past being by the end of next year. |
DDDeftoneDDD
12.13.19 | "oh they are, they just think this will make it go away lol" Maybe they voted for Johnson (the baby's soap) |
Josh D.
12.13.19 | Looking at the recent comments on the home page and it reads "Good Morning UK by Mort." and I just say "yeah, sounds about right" |
DDDeftoneDDD
12.13.19 | 9 is pre good |
Mort.
12.13.19 | 'Looking at the recent comments on the home page and it reads "Good Morning UK by Mort." and I just say "yeah, sounds about right"'
lol |
Confessed2005
12.13.19 | KEN Mode is insanely good, great list Mort. |
Egarran
12.13.19 | >The government has been democratically elected.
On a basis of massive, constant lies. Even most of the British media gave up any excuse for democratic behavior.
This should only fuel the need to riot. |
Demon of the Fall
12.13.19 | *wakes up* - well at least it aint Brexit, that shit was devastating... think I'll live.
*reads thread* - *proceeds by throwing self out of window*
Cheers. |
Josh D.
12.13.19 | Hey, look at the bright side: with the ascendance of right-wing nationalism and fascism over the last several years (don't forget about Orban, Le Pen, Bolsonaro, and more recently, Bolivia), the end will be expedited and it'll all be over sooner. |
Deez
12.13.19 | I agree Egarran but it didnt happen with brexit it wont happen yet under the old soundbite of 'not getting what you want' It will take more to feel the reality of being a working class/struggling family in Britain and the reality of a No deal Brexit and how were not a fucking Empire anymore. Probably a few 'protestors' joined by teh scallies just smashing everything and then full blow chaos hopefully. Fuck this place |
Demon of the Fall
12.13.19 | I think you need to emigrate Deez, might be better for your health. |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | It has fuck all to do with the old Empire it’s about the massive changes brought about and the stranglehold forced on everyone by those currently in charge who have royally taken the piss since Blair.
Whole communities have felt like fish out of water further compounded by them being told what to say and unbelievably how they must think. It’s happening on a global scale and people are absolutely fucking sick of it.
|
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | The end of Corbyn thank all the gods
Might get an opposition now, you can't have a less serious leader than all the monster raving loony candidates put together running for Labour, it was ridiculous
It's unhealthy not having any choice...which is effectively shown by how the UK voted |
madrigal30
12.13.19 | god damn it i'm american so i don't get to be mad but im >:(((( |
GhandhiLion
12.13.19 | God damn it i'm Welsh |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | I'd never read the full Corbyn rap sheet until last night - I knew he had shady terrorist/anti semitic/etc tendencies but when you see the best part of 100 incriminating actions listed all in the one place...fuck me, how was he running lol
Never realised he was quite so dyed in the wool with all that stuff, get rid, won't be missed |
Egarran
12.13.19 | >Whole communities have felt like fish out of water further compounded by them being told what to say and unbelievably how they must think.
Not completely sure how this leads to a large majority for conservatives. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Corbyn is/was a danger to the UK is prob the reason? If you even have a slight interest in national security and policing you can't vote for him, he's a nutter.
Anyone I know above the age of about 25 and a Labour supporter has been in mourning about the death of the party ever since he took leadership.
Digging: Kev Hopper - Corbyn Sceptic Club
Traditional Labour supporters in despair. |
Egarran
12.13.19 | Does sound a lot like how Hillary was unelectable *for reasons* while Trump won on lies, deceit and racism.
A danger to the UK indeed. |
Thalassic
12.13.19 | Well Belgium's joining the fucked country club (assuming Belgium was ever a country to begin with)
We are now more than 6 months over the general election and we still don't have a federal government at the moment lol |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | For most people in the UK Corbyn =
Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas. |
Demon of the Fall
12.13.19 | It's nothing like that Egarran, Hillary was a less extreme case than Corbyn. In fact she wasn't proposing anything particularly radical, was she? I might be wrong here. I don't know if they're comparable on any level given we're talking about different voting demographics/political landscapes regardless. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Hey, some of which you may agree with, and he's a man of principle, great.
But the UK electorate were never going to vote for a man with that history.
It's that simple. He never should have been Labour leader, it was a farce. |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | ‘Ohhhh Jeremy Corbyn’ sang the sheeple.
Fucking terrifying
|
GhandhiLion
12.13.19 | Corbyn has done a lot of shady shit, true. But the media was clearly on the attack against him. Boris had his own dirt that was rarely brought up. (His relationship with Taki Theodoracopulos, selling bombs to the Saudis, Islamophobic comments)
|
dedex
12.13.19 | Ok that's a lot of shit for a single man. Reminds me of Sarkozy's dirt.
Wait Thalassic you Belgian? |
Deez
12.13.19 | I think you need to emigrate Deez, might be better for your health.'
I live in Scotland now. In the highlands. Here- (like legit next to that church on the left)
http://www.gairlochcampsite.co.uk/_wp_generated/wpef4ed0ec_0f.jpg
May as well live on a glacier in Iceland i feel that far removed from this shit Im just in England 4 months a year over Winter. Ive also travelled for 7 of the last 11 years before that around the world to get away from this shit hole. Just have the Scottish get independence now and Ill emigrate here and wear a kilt. |
GhandhiLion
12.13.19 | .jpGAY |
Thalassic
12.13.19 | @dedex
Yep, I live on the border with the Netherlands and the rest of Flanders regards us as Dutch rather than Flemish tho... |
Deez
12.13.19 | 'Corbyn has a lot of dirt on him, true. But the media was clearly on the attack against him unfairly, despite Boris having his own image problems. (His relationship with Taki Theodoracopulos, selling bombs to the Saudis)'
Hes just as fucking Dangerous. And hes a fucking flip flopping moron. He chops and chagnes his 'belief' according to where it can get him career wise. Even Torys who have worked with him have warned against this. Now he runs the fucking Country haha Great. But none of this was focused on by the media. Only Corbyns mistakes of 20 years ago. The Saudis are fine though never mention that they are the worst terrorists on the fucking planet who are still beheading Journalists and shit, oh no.
All that 'terrorist sympathising' horse shit is a Tory soundbite picked up by the right and regurgitating without any fucking context by the media. Same as the Anti Semite shouts which are WORLDWIDE if you dare to criticise the Israeli government as everyone knows. The galvanized right under this 'Country back' illusion. The Labour MPs who defected (who ALL lost their seats) and Brexit party taking votes away. This wasnt a straight election because of the whole Brexit shadow over it but Corbyn would NEVER have got in power with the UK electorate with that I agree. Those snide Labour old schooler would rather have Blairs right leaning centrists than any left leaning one and thats what will happen now.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/20/corbyn-terrorist-sympathiser-double-standards |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Ghandi - that’s the sort of shit the electorate care less about, everyone sells bombs to the saudis
They’re officially/traditionally allies
The brit electorate would never warn to corbyn’s ‘allies’ - making out Brits going out to fight for ISIS are freedom fighters just...it’s too extreme for the mainstream lol |
Demon of the Fall
12.13.19 | All this just illustrates how undesirable a choice the public were left with, this isn't a case of people actively falling for any of Bojo's outright lies, or empty promises he'll inevitably break - do you genuinely believe he won for positive reasons? This was the largest majority since 1987, yet very few people appear to trust the guy who was elected. What does that say about the opposition? Absolute shambles. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | BJ the lesser evil of two not wanted alternatives - personally still want proportional representation one day
Prob won’t happen |
JohnnyoftheWell
12.13.19 | Defo not gonna happen for a long while now, although Lab are gonna have to bite the bullet and recognise they've done themselves absolutely zero favours on that front |
NOTINTHEFACE
12.13.19 | You have my sincerest condolences. Hopefully we here in the states can reverse our insane populist tailspin next November. Just gotta clench those butt cheeks and pretend it's not happening until then. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Deez - he is a terrorist sympathiser though, 100%
Just read the crib sheet
Also, he’d be proud to admit to it if he could - because in his mind they aren’t the terrorists. He’s a man of principle - those principles are if nothing else very niche among brit citizens |
JohnnyoftheWell
12.13.19 | It was so frustrating watching good MPs from tight constituencies needlessly drop off because Labour were too proud to chalk up any standing aside exchanges (Carshalton and esp Kensington holy shit - having a Tory MP back in Grenfell Tower's constituency is the worst poetic injustice I can think of) |
GhandhiLion
12.13.19 | It always amazes me how so many of the stereotypes attached to the working class apply more to the rich. (Racism, drugs etc)
"The Anti Semite shouts" are legitimate. There is a redacted EHRC dossier that was leaked last week.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/jlm-submits-bombshell-document-on-labour-hate-to-equality-watchdog-investigation-1.493993
Many critics of Israel are also antisemitic. Especially the Marx loving ones. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Basically the average person in the UK isn't going to get to the 'why' with Corbyn - why does he support the people he does, why does he have the affinity, why does he want to help them? Honestly some of his motivations might be very worthy, possibly.One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter yada yada
But the list of IRA/ISIS/Hezbollah/etc - people won't ask the 'why', it's game over. Unelectable. |
GhandhiLion
12.13.19 | "personally still want proportional representation one day"
Labour wanted to get rid of fptp so there is hope. The main thing preventing a change is the public, not the parties. Most people don't know what a proportional representation system is. It's a niche issue. |
Egarran
12.13.19 | Thanks for the lists. It's just the implication that Johnson is morally superior. I wouldn't think that would be the essential point in this election. You should see the lists of Johnson's fails, it seemed like he was unelectable too. |
AdoreSwancore
12.13.19 | Thing is though I personally believe that even if Corbyn had won, that there would have been enough opposition within both his own and other parties to essentially prevent him going overboard and keep him in check... my worry now is with people seemingly voting short term (with wanting brexit over and done with) is that they’ve also consequently given the potential free rein for the Tories to completely do what they want with the nhs etc |
Egarran
12.13.19 | What was the fear, that he would start funding muslim extremists? |
Deez
12.13.19 | "The Anti Semite shouts" are legitimate.'
Theres no doubt that they should have been handled better and more head on. Because he then became a poster boy for anti semitism in politics in the media especially for those jewish and black loving right wing angels. (I watched a clip of a guy with a Swastika on his coat call out Corbyn for Anti semitism hahah Jesus). But its definitely mishandled. Does it make him an anti semite, clearly no. Was his handling of it within his party well handled? clearly no also. But again Islamapobia is RIFE within the conservatives and not even a whisper in teh press.
'Also many critics of Israel happen to be antisemitic.' Of course just as millions also are not. And for me criticism of that Government is legitimate regardless if youre a cunt or not. For many its not but dont try and cover up or excuse the fact that anyone who is critical of Israel is instantly deemed anti semites regardless. Their Oldest form of defence that keeps on working. |
Deez
12.13.19 | my worry now is with people seemingly voting short term (with wanting brexit over and done with) is that they’ve also consequently given the potential free rein for the Tories to completely do what they want with the nhs etc'
100% |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | 'Thing is though I personally believe that even if Corbyn had won, that there would have been enough opposition within both his own and other parties to essentially prevent him going overboard and keep him in check...'
The Brexit stalemate within Labour effectively? Maybe.
I think Corbyn would have been as ruthless as circumstances allowed, I don't think the man bends his opinion at all. So not an ideal politician really, I mean those are the traits of a dictator.
The Tories and the NHS? I don't think they'll do much - if this election showed anything it is don't derp on the biggest issue. Once Brexit is out the way selling off the biggest vote winner would be suicide. There'll be some pharma deal with the US but it'll be limited in scope.
Labour also started some privitisation of the NHS - any moderate government prob would. Just because the tories have swung more to the right now I don't think they'll do any more than anyone else particularly...other than Corbyn's socialist party ok, that wanted to nationalise medicines which was a total pipe dream, never going to happen. That would have been a disastrous waste of cash. The types of medicines he would have been able to produce are the cheap non patent ones which are hardly the issue to solve, no one gives a shit about them, they're already cheap. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | 'What was the fear, that he would start funding muslim extremists?'
Ah hem
'Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.'
He is v liberal on counter terrorism and national security
We haven't even mentioned the nuclear deterrent yet - which alone prob makes him unelectable to a HUGE number of people (yup, that's where he lost me before anything else - in a way I don't need to worry about anything about him, he's gone on that alone) |
InFlamesWeThrash666
12.13.19 | Is there any place with sources about those things? Just curious |
Egarran
12.13.19 | >Once Brexit is out the way
Yeah about that. We're going to make a new bucket of popcorn and enjoy the next season of Brexit. Apparently the producers felt we need a Trump-like figure to keep that shit tornado going. |
Deez
12.13.19 | Oh how naive you are Doof. I lived through the end of Thatcher. Where working class towns were fucking decimated. The NHS is already fucked its already been being sold off piece by piece by the Tories for years (up to 20% under them). Do you know anyone who works in a hospital? Speak to them. The tories are all about selling everything they can its what they do. The 'profit motive' brought to the NHS has destroyed it. The tories have been in Government a fucking decade. Look around you. Your 'I dont think theyll do anything' doesnt hold up to any scrutiny when held against what they have actually caused in the last 10 years of power. And please with that 'Labour did it first' that was under that Lizard Blair and new labour. And we all know how that turned out. Thats one of the problems I keep seeing. Such base tribalism. 'Wellllll your guys did this 15 years ago" "yeah but your guys did this 10 years ago' Who fucking care!s Its about NOW. And The effect of conservative government are all around us now. Austerity,Homelessness,Food banks, Lack of Nurses , Lack of police, fucking Brexit. Its all there to see. Its not going to get any better suddenly is it? |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | the interwebs - just type it in
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/26/revealed-jeremy-corbyns-three-decades-blocking-terror-legislation/
I mean, I was aware of 30% of the stuff on that list already, pretty sure it'll all stack up. If you have the time go for it |
GhandhiLion
12.13.19 | Wtf doof you want nuke millions of people. Disgusting. |
Deez
12.13.19 | Corbyns lost, Hes going to resign. Hes irrelevant now. And still people are trying attack him haha and not what the tories have already done and will continue to do.
Not brainwashed at all though. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Deez - I'm not tribal about it, I'm anti Corbyn for dismantling the opposition government, when added to no prop representation it means most votes are wasted and there was only one electable party at this election
I've never woken up a single day of my life the NHS wasn't falling apart - is it that much worse than 15 years ago? 20 years ago? I do understand the NHS is the one issue that might kill you so I take it seriously - I also have experience that if possible the NHS won't treat you unless they absolutely have to. I was hounded out of a surgery once by the receptionist for wanting to sign up and then have a blood test. It's creaking - I don't know what the answer is but it certainly wasn't Corbyn's labour.
I did talk to my wife's uncle who spent his entire working life in the pharmaceutical industry and all he said was Corbyn was certifiably insane trying to nationalise medicines - I don't think anything was going to be safe under Corbyn's Labour, the waste would have been crazy |
Egarran
12.13.19 | I don't see how your lists equal funding terrorism - unless that's what you really want to see. You could also see a defender of freedom if so inclined.
Emergency counter-terror laws, I don't think you want that just yet.
Again he's clearly no saint and he is easy to attack but... Surely bojo was even more. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Ghandi - I don't want to nuke anyone, but if you think the world is about to get friendlier I'd maybe wait out the next 40 years first
Now is not the time to remove the deterrent - clue's in the name |
GhandhiLion
12.13.19 | That was sarcasm. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Eg - it's not funding terrorism, it's legitimising and/or underplaying it's effects :/
It's not a popular stance right now
|
zakalwe
12.13.19 | I’m with ya all the way doof. |
Egarran
12.13.19 | Trying to rationalize why we disqualify one guy while giving the other the benefit of the doubt.
Do any of you like Johnson? |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | I haven't 'liked' a single PM of this country ever - what's your point?
I mean Major was pretty unremarkable in every regard -maybe he was the most 'likeable' |
Zorg
12.13.19 | I posit it's all about demographics. All of these turns to the right are about demographics when you scrape away the superfluous. |
GhandhiLion
12.13.19 | Labour lost because of their stance on Brexit. Corbyn just added fuel to the fire. |
Egarran
12.13.19 | I think my main problem is accepting that the UK could elect an anti-semitic pro-terrorist as PM. It's hard to fully grasp all the implications of this. |
AdoreSwancore
12.13.19 | “I think Corbyn would have been as ruthless as circumstances allowed”
In a way doesn’t every politician fight for what they believe in as much as they can? So to suggest he shows “traits of a dictator” as you say Doof is a bit of a stretch, as dictators are dictators for doing as they please to the point of preventing the democratic process, so if once Labour decides on a new leader if Corbyn went against his word and didn’t step down, that for example would be dictator-esque but simply showing a strong conviction for something isn’t by itself enough to be dictator like. |
Deez
12.13.19 | Trying to rationalize why we disqualify one guy while giving the other the benefit of the doubt.'
Media. The majority read BS tabloid press. The majority of people are headline hunters than never look into a story (and barely read it never mind fact check) They the type who listen to a song on the radio but never listen an album. They watch reality TV but have never watched any classics you mention. THOSE type of people are easily swayed. They have been out for Corbyn for years because he represents danger to the order and the establishment that has been in place in this country for as long as Ive been alive. Its what they always do. When he fucked up or when they could manufacture a story (some legit, hes made plenty of mistaked) they did and you wouldnt here the end of it. Boris would be openly racist and it would be gone in a day. These people think BBC news is the bible and the truth. Labour got hammered for Dianne abbot drinking gin on a train for fucks sake. The whole thing is so intertwined with the media. Thats nothing new but seeing that exact point your making, Boris NOT called out for being an utter cunt while hammering Labour and Corbyn sometimes for MUCH less (sitting on the floor of a train cos it was full!!!??) Its fucking sickening and it would be sickening either way they did it under this illusion of Fair practice and democracy we live in. |
Deez
12.13.19 | anti-semitic pro-terrorist as PM'
Hes not anti semitic or pro terrorist!
He has not handled anti semitism in the party as he should. There IS AS in his party. Hes tried to address it. Maybe not as well as he could and should have.
He has tried to excuse some terrorism as being born from our own action abroad. He isnt 'Pro' any terrorism
2 completely different things. |
AdoreSwancore
12.13.19 | Anyway I guess what’s done is done, now trying to argue whether or not Corbyn would have made a good leader is ultimately pointless, instead Boris and the Tories have to instead try and prove the doubters (such as myself) wrong, which I hope they do as in this case I want to be wrong |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Well, there's a certain way most politicians behave I guess - an understanding that you may cross paths with someone again, or you may have to compromise, a playing of the game of politics (which most people breath a sigh of relief they're not part of) etc etc
Corbyn is a less typical politician really - and I think he'd want to be in a position he could get even less like that. As good as that might sound - it's not good. |
Deez
12.13.19 | Yeah @adore been trying to say that. Shows how well they planted him in the collective psyche.
Thats all we can do. Hope suddenly the tories try and go against what they have always been about.
That are start smashing shit......hmmm |
Egarran
12.13.19 | Thanks deez, agree.
But yeah there really must be some large fucked up echo chambers out there. Im definitely in one of them, being a guardian reader.
Thankfully none of that here. |
Deez
12.13.19 | Im quite impressed with the lack of attacking each other in this thread despite different perceptions of this.
well played. |
Egarran
12.13.19 | For me it helps a lot to not be British. |
TheWhiteWolf9981
12.13.19 | Bunch of old farts thinking they have the slightest smidgen of a clue about how the economy is going like I expected since it's all over social media. You can bring up Corbyn's sheet of terrorist sympathising claims which most have been disputed by several other pieces of media that aren't right-wing influenced smear campaigns, his talks were to establish peace deals and rubbing shoulders with shit like that is part of politics, there was a Tory member at a Senn Fein funeral. Let's not forget that Boris supported arms-deal sales to Saudi Arabia. You also conveniently missed the part about an actual active member of the IRA being a Tory official and she spoke on the record about supporting the shooting of British soldiers. Look up Maria Gatland, formerly Maria McGuire who resigned when her publications describing her involvement were unearthed. We were shafted on all fronts but if you can honestly say with your right hand to God that the country is better with diet Donald Trump and the Tories obliteration of the NHS, slowly being picked away and thousands living in poverty having to scrape their way through food banks to support themselves just because they're working class, you're deluded as fuck and the age is really setting in to senile proportions. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | I've no particular affinity with either of the major parties (or any party really, I guess slightly more lib Dem as I'm in a Lib Dem area and generally regard myself as pro Europe and liberal in many regards, though not in defence spending, etc) - so that helps things not get too heated too maybe?
I was very anti Corbyn but I'm not someone who's saying they could never vote Labour (or Tory) - though I never have so far. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | TheWhiteWolf9981 - Corbyn has been voting soft against terrorist measures etc the last decade, and he personally wants rid of the nuclear deterrent - it's not all stuff from the ancient annals hitting him
Plus c'mon, some of that rap sheet is pretty damning - I get he often purports to want to be a 'peace broker' but are you telling me he doesn't appear to have a very strong allegiance one way or the other in each instance?
He was unelectable. It's over. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Poverty gap does need addressing, unless you're 'rich' then from my experience of seeing how things are you're only two or three knocks away from being in a bit of trouble with little safety net.
The great minds of our age need to get on figuring it out - those great minds weren't to be found in this Labour cabinet. That's the tragedy about it.
The rich already pay A LOT of tax (they also pay an even more massively larger slice of charity donations than everyone else in the country of course too, they aren't all evil) - just taxing everyone to death wasn't the right idea. The country (apologies to Jeremy) needs to be attractive for investment.
I guess when I hear Amazon or whoever getting out of paying tax that's when you start thinking you might be getting closer to something. I think tax payers already pay their tax, it's pretty high. |
AmericanFlagAsh
12.13.19 | I don't understand how anybody could vote/like Boris, like do you have any brain cells? |
EnyaFangirl
12.13.19 | the REAL winner of the UK elections is the beautiful girl reading this right now :) |
EphemeralEternity
12.13.19 | I was initially disappointed but trump reassured me via Twitter that this opens up opportunities for lots of great trade deals |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | 'I don't understand how anybody could vote/like Boris, like do you have any brain cells?'
Problem is that statement is interchangeable with:
I don't understand how anybody could vote/like Corbyn/Swinson, like do you have any brain cells?
Plus they're who the parties consider the most palatable - dig deeper and you get Abbot/McDonnell's or Rees Mogg/Gove's
They're all a bunch of deeply unlikeables - this isn't news |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | At least Boris used to get the rip taken out of him on Have I Got News For You - Corbyn would ban the show sooner than appear on it, that's how he rolls |
AmericanFlagAsh
12.13.19 | At least Corbyn doesn't come off as an idiot is what I'm getting at |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | I was in the same lift as Boris once, with my parents and wife to be - could have done him in.
My dad gave him a hell of a grilling on his Brexit plans lol |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Boris is no idiot, he just has that persona he's got going
He came across pretty amusing on Have I Got News For You, at least he has a sense of humour
Corbyn telling a joke? Shoot me
For not playing the game I'd say Corbyn is closer to the idiot |
AmericanFlagAsh
12.13.19 | I think idiots just look up to people who put on an idiot persona
Which is why I'm worried for another 4 years of Trump |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | I mean Boris was ultimately my 'boss' you could say if you went that far up the tree when he was mayor - he did do us an 'amusing video' when he started but i wan't around when he visited
Sadiq hasn't done either I don't think but whatever, all a bunch of cunts |
Deez
12.13.19 | At least Boris used to get the rip taken out of him on Have I Got News For You - Corbyn would ban the show sooner than appear on it, that's how he rolls'
You talk some shite Doof mate. You mean the same Boris who just hid in a fridge rather than get interviewed by GMTV? And the same one who wouldnt go on Andrew Neil to be grilled like every recent candidate has? Hes avoided live scrutiny as much as he could because hes an idiot who crumbles when grilled face to face and Live. So they avoided any of that.
“If gay marriage was OK… I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog.”
aye not stupid at all. |
Relinquished
12.13.19 | "Boris who just hid in a fridge"
Indy? |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Trump can't be enirely stupid (obviously) but in the defence of Boris he is a very different beast than Trump
He has much better credentials to be the PM than Trump did to be president |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Deez - I'm more saying the bloke can laugh at himself, Corbyn I doubt it |
Rolling Girl
12.13.19 | We are in the worst timeline |
dedex
12.13.19 | Let England Shake |
madrigal30
12.13.19 | boris is still a twat |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | he's got his majority, we shall see |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | ‘He has much better credentials to be the PM than Trump did to be president’
This is what some people fail to understand. Boris was schooled for this shite before becoming Mayor and an eventual member of the cabinet. He has the political clout. |
Egarran
12.13.19 | Alright, let's have some predictions. Anything is possible.
Personally I expect a heated civil war within 3 years. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | One post on Have Your Say on the BBC did tickle me regarding 'Corbyn the man'
'No apology from Corbyn.
No contrition.
No responsibility.
No resignation.
The people got it wrong, not him.
And this guy thought he could lead the country?'
That sums up the way he is and would be with power - terrifying, he had to go
Labour really need to sort themselves out and quick - either they stay as Momentum Labour or they move towards the middle ground again |
Deez
12.13.19 | Full scale riots by mid 2021 or before. Make no mistake the right wing fucking apes can fight. All ex squaddies/army what have you or footy hooligans. Theyll also fight on behalf of the queen and their country and being white and whatever bullshit. Will be messy. Working/lower and lower middle Classes fighting each other just how they want it |
Egarran
12.13.19 | Armed racists in the streets is bad for the economy though. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | 'Full scale riots by mid 2021 or before.'
If employment holds out through the next stage of Brexit can't see any civil unrest, everyone's at work. This isn't France or Spain. At least not yet. |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | From Boris himself this morning in his first speech upon winning.
‘Let’s get Brexit done but first my friends, lets get breakfast done’
Geezer.
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Egarran
12.13.19 | Let us dream, doof. Also this is why Johnson needs more police. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Everyone I know under 33 voted labour I think - the vast majority work a lot for cash in hand doing trade'y stuff/working sound or playing gigs/tutoring cash in hand
Now I think I know why you vote for Labour's high tax budget :/
I was honestly at a loss for who'd vote to pay way more tax as it was universal tax increases - people who don't pay any/much tax. They exist.
I am dumb |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | Honestly my nephew is 15yrs old born and lived all his life in Goodmayes East London and he said if he was allowed to vote he’d go with Tory because he can’t be fucked with the tax and the wankers that seem to follow Labour round like a bad smell.
Wise. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Zak what do you think the future holds for the NHS next 5 and 10 years? |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | The privatisation has already started but it’ll be increased further to supplement these proposed ‘40 new hospitals’ that’ll be built fuck knows where and more cuts overall probably.
I’ve had dealings with hospitals a few times and I can honestly not hear a bad word said about the NHS although some staff are a bit shit. 10yrs ago the Royal London Hospital was a literal Victorian asylum with cockroaches and rats in the corridors. Now it’s a brand spanking new massive multi levelled sprawling monster which must’ve cost fucking millions. People choose to ignore things like that though. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | NHS staff have always been great in my experience, guess I should talk to my cousin who's a doctor up in Manchester to get an idea of how the spending cuts are felt
My dad's in and out with cancer check ups all the time at the moment - in remission now but he had two very rare types and they're constantly checking. Had to take a big chunk out of his cheek for a skin cancer and two lobes off one of his lungs. He hasn't a bad word to say about the NHS....but he'll still be voting Tory lol, he hasn't forgotten the late 70s |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | citation required |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | you know - I'm just hoping someone does a half decent job in office
I'm not going to be against him for the sake of it, he's got a few years, I haven't a hell of a lot of faith but after mutha Theresa I'm at least expecting something a bit more decisive
he didn't do a particularly awful job as Mayor of London so there's that
If he's terrible then really there wasn't any other voting option so it really was a shitty no-win situation this election |
Egarran
12.13.19 | Never understood what lib dems are all about, give me some keywords. |
Sinternet
12.13.19 | london riots 2.0 please, make it england riots though |
Sinternet
12.13.19 | lib dems are all about being tories in a cheery happy yellow rosette. it's for rich middle class bozos who want to look like they care about others but don't want to contribute in any meaningful way to do so |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | they're pro europe...so with the brexit vote they can't make any sense, and they don't really
if then they make their main vote winner that after brexit they want to eventually have a referendum to try and rejoin the EU then I will never vote for them
Hopefully they find something else, some of their other policies seemed pretty credible this election - financially they regarded as the 'most sound' as the Tories have actually promised to spend quite a bit |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Sint - Corbyn/Momentum didn't really help anyone because they've totally dismantled the effective opposition by having retarded spending policies that everyone saw through in a split second |
Sinternet
12.13.19 | despite the fact their policies were widely popular with the electorate
i'm afraid you've fallen for the old neoliberal con that spending money is wasting money, can't blame you as it's shoved down our throats daily from our scummy press, but it's maybe time to reflect on the fact that the tories make zero investment into this country's future and generations will be fucked for decades after. enjoy retiring at 85 mate, maybe then you can vote tory to screw those uppity younger generations too |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | How much debt on-top of the global financial crises and the fact Brown sold off all our assets do you think we accumulated sin pal.
It’ll be another decade before we pull out the mess Blair and his cronies left us in. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.13.19 | hows your blood pressure zak |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | My people have spoken pots dude.
Breakfast is breakfast ✊🏼 |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.13.19 | you're avoiding the question |
zakalwe
12.13.19 | 125/83
Breakfast means breakfast ✊🏼 |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Nothing this Labour Party stood for was widely popular with the electorate
They appealed to no one
Another five years on the same path and they’ll lose another 20-30% of their support
If you can’t see that I can’t help you |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.13.19 | it was a rhetorical question tbh i dont actually know what those numbers mean but i figure if you do know what those numbers mean it probably means you actually have to monitor your blood pressure which means that your blood pressure is probably a problem |
Egarran
12.13.19 | >They appealed to no one
They must have appealed to remainers - didn't he promise a new referendum? |
Josh D.
12.13.19 | "Nothing this Labour Party stood for was widely popular with the electorate"
lol not true:
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2019-11-12/Labour%20policies%20popularity-01.png
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DoofDoof
12.13.19 | ‘Appealed to remainers’
Nope, they were ‘remaining neutral’ as a party and Corbyn is anti EU, so not reaaaalllly |
InFlamesWeThrash666
12.13.19 | "Never understood what lib dems are all about, give me some keywords."
tories for weed smokers probably |
Deez
12.13.19 | Ahhhh it so nice you all think the NHS is great. Who the fuck is arguing anything other? Doof your dads check up wont be free for other people in a few years time. The sick and dying are fucked. I dont know where the fuck you live but DEFINITELY speak to that relative in Manchester. Speak to any relative or anyone how the NHS is since the Torys started to sell it off. Its not going to be getting better. Ive had to be in and out of docts and hospitals last 2 years and they all say the same. The cuts are killing them. Staff are over worked.Fundings cut. Thats the torys why the fuck would it change??
They promised not to sell the Mail off, the gas, British rail. They are Liars and are only in it for one reason. Thats the Torys is what theyve always been. The people at the very top. The rich to get richer. Boris didnt know how mich a loaf of fucking bread was the cunt.
'Nothing this Labour Party stood for was widely popular with the electorate'
Not true at all. Much of it was hugely popular. Scraping tuition fees, Tax on over 80 grand going up, Free Braodband, Scrapping zero hour contracts, AGAIN the NHS and the police commitment. It just wasnt as important to many as the one thing hanging over all of it BREXIT and everything that entails (immigration,xenaphobia,racism all those people would have voted tory to get labour/corbyn out) |
GhandhiLion
12.13.19 | But..but the BBC said that labours loss proves that people want neoliberalism over socialism |
Deez
12.13.19 | Anyway big Jurgens staying fuck everything else
'If he's terrible then really there wasn't any other voting option'
Apart from the party whos very maifesto and policies where to clean up the utter fucking state the country is in and has been caused by the last successive governments! and the last 9 years HIS Party!
Only you bought into the 'hes a security risk' horse shit. There was an option. Boris isnt the best of a bad bunch , him and his crew are the worst of us. Unfortunately your naive little cheeks will see it all unfold in front of you. |
Deez
12.13.19 | But..but the BBC said that labours loss proves that people want neoliberalism over socialism'
Fox News of the UK in more serious less brash colours. Cunts |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Deez - either people thought half the things labour were promising were unnecessary or they didn’t believe they could deliver without bankrupting the country
It’s what it was.
They had zero appeal - Labour needs to change quick...oh Corbyn wants another year. Disastrous stuff. The Tories should be looking over their shoulders, this Labour government can’t harm them and they’ll know it now. Momentum and Corbyn need to be ditched. |
Keyblade
12.13.19 | I can't even put into words how cretinous pragmatism concern trolling is. give me unabashed bigoted conservatism over w/e tf that is |
Deez
12.13.19 | yes mate thats right, And they were wrong because it could be, Just as econimists who supported it said.
'Labour cant harm them' Actually thats not true. I do think JC has to go now. There has to be a change but if you take the over 65 voters out of there they actually lose. Those over 50 stuck in the mud 'Everyone used to be white on my street' are a massive part of that. Theres a graph going around Im waiting to find if its legit showing the ages and votes. Its crazy. JC actually got more votes than Blair. |
Relinquished
12.13.19 | "how cretinous pragmatism concern trolling is"
"I can't even put into words"
yea man you lost me there |
Keyblade
12.13.19 | "Those over 50 stuck in the mud 'Everyone used to be white on my street' are a massive part of that"
aka zak lol |
Deez
12.13.19 | Sweet irony. A running theme |
Keyblade
12.13.19 | that was 1 word, and it still doesnt capture how I feel about them. sniveling cowards are 2 others I can think of |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | ‘trolling’
You sweet cynic you |
Keyblade
12.13.19 | "Concern trolling involves someone opposing an idea or viewpoint, yet acting like they’re an advocate for the cause. A concern troll offers undermining criticisms under the guise of concern."
the concern in this instance being pragmatism |
Deez
12.13.19 | Colours to the mast
https://youtu.be/-1uSSRcn7UE
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DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Keyblade - you have me concerned let’s just say that |
Demon of the Fall
12.13.19 | Thread is a total shitstorm... it ain’t morning no more lads, so time to wrap this up. |
InFlamesWeThrash666
12.13.19 | It's not that bad |
Deez
12.13.19 | Not at all. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Summary:
Labour have been fucked ever since the Miliband backstab - that’s a wrap |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Also I hate to say that in five years time the 60 year olds will have turned into 65 year olds and might well vote Tory - its an ageing population, it’ll prob go more Tory demographically
It’s like a production line |
Egarran
12.13.19 | Implying the Tories haven't been fucked for ages.
That"s not what I hear in my echo chamber! |
Deez
12.13.19 | The ones on the breadline who are sick and need the NHS wont vote Tory again in 5 years time because they'll be dead or realise how fucking dumb they were (Looking at you Blyth/Wrexham/Blackpool and the likes) Alot of those older votes are to do with foreigners.Immagration/brexit.
Your obliviousness to how run down the NHS staggering. Theyve let it get this way. They wont be suddenly making it better. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | there’s degrees of fucked, they’re in power - they’re ‘functioning fucked’ like a functioning alcoholic
Labour are in the gutter |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Deez - I’m pretty sure if I looked up stories about the NHS in 1992 they’d have said similar, it’s always underfunded and on its last knockings
No one could vote Labour, not even trad Labour heartland, there’s a case for the NHS - get an electable party behind it, no problem with that |
Deez
12.13.19 | 'there’s degrees of fucked, they’re in power - they’re ‘functioning fucked’ like a functioning alcoholic'
what are the quarter of a million homeless in this country, fucked?
What are the record highs of child poverty and people who have to use food banks ,fucked? Longer doctors/hostpital waiting lists? People who have to use public transport that doesnt fucking run but is going constantly up to unaffordable prices fucked? All down to Tory Austerity. |
Deez
12.13.19 | Deez - I’m pretty sure if I looked up stories about the NHS in 1992 they’d have said similar, it’s always underfunded and on its last knockings'
Youre a fucking Idiot mate, sorry.
'Im sure if I looked...'
Speak to people who work in the sector instead of 'I reckonisms' with nothing to back it up. Its more than just 'Underfunded' Jesus christ. Just fucking research it, Talk to people about it who work in it or shut the fuck up parrotting completely false and unfounded and easily disprovable opinion.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-hospital-meltdown-top-doctors-4938163 |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | If Labour had just focused on Welfare and the NHS and stopped all the brainstorm bullshit like scrapping all tuition fees, introducing state controlled broadband and revolutionising the pharmaceutical industry etc then maybe more people would have voted for them
Promising everything means half of what you are spending on will likely seem unnecessary to the electorate - just needless taxation and big government control
Baby steps |
Deez
12.13.19 | They wouldnt because ....Brexit! Its real simple. Thats why mining towns turned against themselves because Brexit has been hammered into peoples psyche for 3(?) years. About 'BREAKING FREE OF THE SHACKLES OF EUROPE' 'BECOMING GREAT BRITAIN AGAIN' 'TAKING OUR COUNTY BACK" and all those other soundbites. 'TOO MANY FOREIGNERS' and all that SHITE
https://youtu.be/EqDGF4pSd_s
Labours policys were not the problem.
As jay quoted....
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2019-11-12/Labour%20policies%20popularity-01.png
Corbyn has the 2 highest voter count in Labours history. |
DoofDoof
12.13.19 | Half the country is racist?
Take off the tinfoil hat chap |
Deez
12.13.19 | I didnt say that. WHERE did I say that? |
Deez
12.13.19 | But anyone who IS racist/facist whatever the fuck for sure didnt vote Corbyn and labour. If you think an underlying racism in this country has no effect on the Brexit vote youre just as ignorant as you are to the NHS. That isnt saying everyone or even a majority of them are. But its a fact. Look at Farrage or Robinsons crews ffs |
GhandhiLion
12.13.19 | Agreed about the exaggeration of racism Doof, but Deez is right about Brexit's importance. Many labour safe seats were pro leave. |
GhandhiLion
12.13.19 | "anyone who IS racist/facist whatever the fuck FOR SURE didnt vote Corbyn and labour"
Corbyn was once praised by David Duke and Nick Griffin lol. I am certain that there are racists that vote for labour. Racists can vote for any party.
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Deez
12.13.19 | I should have worded that 'Remain' They sure don't and didn't vote remain. Which was more to the point. And the leave/Remain aspect of this Election was almost bigger than any of the policies either put forward to many people in this country. Proven by run down areas BECAUSE of austerity voting Conservative under the guise that leaving Europe will make everything ok again. Thats what they believe. Initially after the brexit vote there was many videos circulating of how people thought the 'muslims' and 'immigrants' would be instantly sent away. Its Really fucking crazy. Of course to label it ALL down to that attitude is none sense.
Anyway. Its football weekend. Fuck this shit and Fuck the Tories X |
Egarran
12.14.19 | Oh Marina.
"The Tory programme for government was not so much a manifesto as a Mumsnet “Am I being unreasonable?” thread."
"Corbynism has turned out to be for the very, very few. Which is to say, nobody at all. Yet. There was some talk this morning of it being a 30-year project, suggesting the plan will come to glorious fruition just in time for the moment we’re living, Children of Men-style, in Britain’s catacombs. At that point, Corbynism will sweep to power with an ambitious programme of nationalising the urine distilleries via which we obtain our drinking water." |
Cimnele
12.14.19 | they fucked up his chances and then slated his bad performance lol
british press are so r e a s o n a b l e |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/nhs-in-crisis-reasons-to-be-cheerful-the-problems-are-serious-but-not-insuperable-9783188.html
From the independent for deez
The phrase I repeated earlier - namely ‘the NHS has ALWAYS been in crisis’ features early
The NHS was also equally in trouble on the early 90s as i vaguely recalled:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-32057948
This article argues the case the NHS is badly run not badly funded (compared to other nations) - we just have a romantic notion of the NHS. As a share of GDP we spend almost identically to the best performing healthcare nation in the world (Canada) so just throwing more money at it might not be the answer or only issue to address with the NHS.
https://qz.com/1201096/by-deifying-the-nhs-the-uk-will-never-fix-its-broken-health-care-system/
Anyway I’d like to have an option to vote for a party that properly supports the NHS but this Labour Party were impossible to vote for, peace out ✌️ |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | Ghandi - also Corbyn is personally pro Leave as well as those voters in safe seats so they could have got behind leave and taken the risk - all they would have been doing is saying they were backing a democratic vote. Instead they tried to appeal to both sides of the argument and in the event appealed to too few of either. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.14.19 | so you guys have a nazi problem too hey |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.14.19 | they're just fuckin everywhere innit |
EclipseInYourEyes
12.14.19 | gonna miss u lads in the EU :( |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | we’re not moving though |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | Deez with all due respect mate you have been travelling for nigh on a decade and live in the Highlands. Your view is going to be just as valid but a tad different.
Doof we are forming a party son. |
Deez
12.14.19 | https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/nhs-in-crisis-reasons-to-be-cheerful-the-problems-are-serious-but-not-insuperable-9783188.html
From the independent for deez'
An article From 5 nearly 6 years ago. Half way into the current Tory hold and Austerity. So not remotely relevant to today . Where as...
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nhs-privatisation-sale-boris-johnson-conservatives-general-election-a9241881.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/conservative-manifesto-boris-johnson-nhs-brexit-tory-election-a9231101.html
From your BBC article which counteracts against your 2014 article
'The report noted much of the deterioration has happened in the second-half of the Parliament with many measures of performance being maintained in the first few years.' So pointless pulling up a 2014 article.
Also The BBC are also a Tory propaganda machine. They constantly brush over Tory failings as 'Ohhhhh it was worse once' 'It would be worse with Labour'
That last one...dear me. Your fucking endless attempt to prove , and fail, that its the NHS which isnt perfect. Not the tories. Is fucking embarrassing. No one is saying the NHS is a perfect model but its run down by underfunding and that underfunding and cuts to Nurses that came from THIS GOVERNMENT and this governments Austerity plan because thats what they do!. Thats what they have always done. Theyre the fucking Conservatve party!
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Deez
12.14.19 | That underfunding means Nurses and Doctors ( I had one nurse see me last year who was on her 14th straight 15 hour day!! How can you work like that?) have to work continiously meaning standards inevitably drop. People wanting to be Nurses and Doctors have drop as the The pay is terrible and hasnt been raised in years. Despite them parading a bus around teh country saying '350 MILLION A YEAR TO THE NHS IF WE LEAVE THE EU' Then admitting that was a lie!
The NHS is one of the greatest things to ever happen to this county. (Again...*takes a breath*) You speak to ANYONE working in that sector rather than pulling a random piece off the net you JUST found and going 'LOOK LOOK I WAS RIGHT BECAUSE THIS GUY SAYS SIMILAR' What the fuck does that matter?? Your desperation to be right when you are wrong. You in a nutshell. The fact is we have a FREE health system that people fought for that has saved lives which cannot possibly be counted on a fucking graph when you think of simple medicines you get for free, Old, sick people get for free. Emergency call outs. Hostpital treatment. NOW your argument is that free ambulance takes too long? The wait to get a bed is too long? YEAH GUESS WHY!!!!??? Didn't you say your Dad was in remmission? Would you have the 20 plus grand lying about to have him in and out of Hostpital if it wasnt free? And the whole point is if they were going to try and fix the NHS is any way they would have already started it in the NINE YEARS theyve been in power. They havent because they dont want it fixed because they do not care about anyone lower than middle class that is the Conservative party. They have the money to go private thats why they couldnt tell you the price of milk/bread etc when interviewed. They are out of touch with the working class but fair fucks to them theyve managed to convince places they havent sent any money to for year to vote for them.
I saw a clip yesterday of Scunthorpe and people looking around and saying 'I dont know what happened to th place we needed a change' so voted Tory hahah We dont know what happened? The torys fucking happened. But theyve hoodwinked people into believed its the EU not them. Its this phenomena
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale
Arent you like 30? How can you be this fucking clueless unless you are indeed a closet tory? Keyblade absolutely nailed it. |
Deez
12.14.19 | Deez with all due respect mate you have been travelling for nigh on a decade and live in the Highlands. Your view is going to be just as valid but a tad different.'
Youve got that the wrong way around. My family live on council estates and always have done. When Im back in England for 4 months i live in a ROUGH area. My opinion isnt based on what I receive in Scotland. My prescriptions are free! Ive got Dolphins inf ront of my work. Alls good for me. For now. Thats a Tory mindset. But even the Doctors up there are starting to feel it as is my Local Hostpital (the only one for about 120 miles!!) My doc said theyve had their budget for teh whole of northwest Scotland cut more than half
I should have the view Doof has. I dont because the rest county is struggling and I can quite clealy see that. I also lived through the end of Thatcher and of course through that con Man Blair. Tell me what policies the Torys have now that are different from their past? None. Just those magic words 'GET BREXIT DONE'. And for all Labour and Corbyns failings and this 'Borrowing money' none sense the main source of this money would come from Taxing big business' that pay no tax and have off shore havens. Oh and Taxing people on 80 grand plus and extrra 20 a month the scoundrel! That alone would be enough to drastically improve the NHS and probably a good go at the Rail system too and is one of the main reasons the media went for him. Cant be looking at getting cash of multi corps oh no.... |
Egarran
12.14.19 | Can't decide whether I want to see England crash and burn, so we can say 'LOL told you so', or rise up and become a new model nation, so we can say 'all my worries were in vain, the tories are great'.
I guess I'll just go with the most likely scenario. |
Sinternet
12.14.19 | deez we might not agree on the footie but at least you're not chatting the shite these nonces are
anyone who votes tory is either misled by a billionaire press or someone whose got theirs and wants to make sure no one else gets anything, the former being the far more preferred option |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | Deez - we spend about the same as Canada on health as a proportion of GDP. Why’s the NHS not working anywhere near as well? It’s a discussion not a red faced shouting match.
I’ll throw the idiot accusation right back at you at this point if that’s alright with you governor? |
Deez
12.14.19 | Going round in circles. and Ive spent far to much time on you already. You are incredibly dumb/Naive over this situation. As your last question just proved. You really think is a simple overview of 'well they spend this amount and theyre fine' How do you know theyre fine? What was the state of their health system years before? Their population is 20 mill lower....as if every counties variables are the same(??) and its simply money spent right now? What hours do they work? Number of professionals? Average patients per week/year, outside factors? Like austerity effecting cost to living , cost to getting to work etc etc etc etc etc I really need to answer that for you? amazing. Im off to watch the footy.
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/health-spending-as-a-share-of-gdp-remains-at-lowest-level-in |
Egarran
12.14.19 | Doof, because you are a lot more concerned with Corbyn's unelecatability than Johnson's.
That spin is a bit suspect. |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | Johnson isn’t unelectable - he just got elected :/
I’ve always said I’m 100% anti Corbyn and anti momentum
Just saying ‘pour more money into the ol’ gal’ isn’t the only issue regarding the NHS.
in terms of value for money the NHS isn’t serving its citizens as well as a lot of other nations - why? That’s the issue to address. Canada was just one example - check the table, we spend the going rate. We’re underperforming - whether you look at spend per person or GDP. |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | I maintain - if the Tories take the piss with the NHS over the next five years they’ll be out next election |
Cimnele
12.14.19 | lot of dead people comin' in the next five years if we're just gonna wait to see what they do with our utilities lol
we already know what they intend - they wanna copy the US in all regards |
Deez
12.14.19 | Exactly. Where is there any reason to think otherwise?? Theyve took the piss for the last fucking nine years what makes you think its going to change??? Absolute mad thinking. What will happen is the run down places will continue to be run down and wont receive any help. My city was written off by Thatchers government as not worth funding. Nice huh? There will be no new hospitals or extra funding for the NHS and the rich will get richer and our assets sold more and more to foreign investors (sweet fucking irony) Trains will get worse. Prices up, See what happens with possible food shortages after No deal brexit since we get a bit of snow and teh county comes to a halt imagine a week with no bread or some shit (maybe doomsday scenario that though)
And they will sit in the house of commons and shout at each other in their medievil 'Yayyyys' and 'Nayyyyyys' As the poor continue to become poorer and die at record rates until the riots start. And that goes for all of them but Labours fully costed manifesto was at least going to TRY and change that. The torys wont because it doesnt serve THEM. Thats my prediction. Based on what Ive already seen in practice from multiple Tory governments.I would be DELIGHTED to be proven wrong.
@Sin
Tory Rats mate , fuck them.
https://youtu.be/mpj0xeTnqBk
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EclipseInYourEyes
12.14.19 | maybe you're not moving but I fear that UK is going to cooperate more with the US than the EU in the future. Which is a shame, because with the UK in the EU, the EU becomes a way heavier player on the field - especially regarding the situation that nobody wants to stand up against China. |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | 'This is the land where nothing changes
The land of red buses and blue blooded babies
This is the place, where pensioners are raped
And the hearts are being cut from the welfare state
Let the poor drink the milk while the rich eat the honey
Let the bums count their blessings while they count the money
So many people can't express what's on their minds
Nobody knows them and nobody ever will
Until their backs are broken and their dreams are stolen
And they can't get what they want then they're gonna get angry
Well it ain't written in the papers, but it's written on the walls
The way this country is divided to fall
So the cranes are moving on the skyline
Trying to knock down this town
But the stains on the heartland, can never be removed
From this country that's sick, sad, and confused'
Sums it up, name the song/name the artist |
Deez
12.14.19 | Perfect. |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | Taken from my favourite album of all time, 'Infected' by The The
I really don't think I'll ever vote Tory, I'm probably doomed to green protest voting - as the greens need votes. Again proportional representation would help to make it seem more worth it. |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | 'Here comes another winter of long shadows and high hopes
Here comes another winter waitin' for utopia
Waitin' for hell to freeze over
The ammunition's being passed and the lords been praised
But the wars on the televisions will never be explained
All the bankers gettin' sweaty beneath their white collars
As the pound in our pocket turns into a dollar
This is the 51st state of the U.S.A'
Matt Johnson was the man, loved that album since I was 10 years old |
JohnnyoftheWell
12.14.19 | Not gonna lie, this election wasn't awful to the Greens - the movement's in a good place even though it obviously isn't on the best scale yet. Jonathan Bartley/Caroline Lucas/Sian Berry's respective interviews and speeches were all highlights of the night for me |
Deez
12.14.19 | Ive always been told vote labour its what we do but Ive never subscribed to that. I did that when I was 18 and it turned out to be that Lizard Blair. I never voted since. (usually not been in the county) Plus when you move to Scotland your english Credit cards cant get you haha Now theyve vanished! I dont want to sign up to the electoral roll again and suddenly be hit with debt from 15 years ago. But where I live in Scotland is SNP and in England labour. SO realistically my vote would only matter (or feel as if it mattered) if the whole system changed which I would be much more in favour of. If it was somehow tallied online and it was counted as per vote instead of per seat and area etc etc because again the number of people who actually voted for Labour an dCons are actually much much closer than the landslide and biggest hammering in 20 years would lead you to believe (only 4,000 difference).
If I was to vote next election I would also vote green. as it stands |
Egarran
12.14.19 | >Johnson isn’t unelectable - he just got elected :/
As far as I knew one of them had to win, and if you were to list all their pros and cons - especially political - I find it hard to believe Johnson was more electable.
I do believe we must find the answer to his win in other, more sinister places of the British psyche. And getting brexit done. |
Deez
12.14.19 | https://youtu.be/7o0BHEMzTbo |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | He was also elected London mayor so he’s electable
That might be his only talent :/ |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | Why are there Jimmy Somerville lyrics in this thread? |
JohnnyoftheWell
12.14.19 | Boris Johnson: no good but cigar |
GhandhiLion
12.14.19 | :I kill children |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | 'Why are there Jimmy Somerville lyrics in this thread?'
here we go |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | :D |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.14.19 | so how yall spend the last 3 years bitchin' and laughin' about trump and then fuck this up so hard |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.14.19 | its like watching someone point and laugh at someone for walking into a pole only to walk into a different pole 3 seconds later |
Supercoolguy64
12.14.19 | lol guy that got elected looks like a discount trump too |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | Boris has been around for several years and been in various roles building up the political nous.
Trump just barged in and tweeted his way into the political sphere.
Both have made un-pc social faux pas which have earned scathing attacks in the media but appreciation from ‘normal’ people outside the metropolitan bubbles who detest the way they have had their voices silenced by ideological nonsense.
They will ultimately be judged on their ability to lead but be forever condemned by the idiots.
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GhandhiLion
12.14.19 | you are such a boomer |
GhandhiLion
12.14.19 | Most "normal" people think Trump is a joke. You are the one in a bubble. |
Supercoolguy64
12.14.19 | by normal people he means 40 year olds who still think neoliberals are radical leftists |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | It was ‘normal’ with the ‘ ‘ But to summarise it’s working people who are less cunty than young cunts. |
GhandhiLion
12.14.19 | I sure feel sorry for the silent majority who have to hide their racism. |
Supercoolguy64
12.14.19 | shit, your right. i dont know any younger 20-something that pays for there schooling, work, raise kids, pays bills or even pay rent to there parents because they cant afford to live on there own. silly me. |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | There’s 15 million more people in the UK than there was 20yrs ago, it’s a bit shit.
RACIST!!!!!!!
It’s quite a life changer when the community dramatically changes in a short space of time.
RACIST!!!!!!!!
Christ. Crimes off the charts at the minute them Albanian/Somalian/Pakistani gangs are a nightmare
RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m a bit uneasy with kids being taught about certain things at school, it seems a bit unnecessary at that age.
HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!!
Blimey. The equal rights thing has tipped over into a bit of a power struggle now hasn’t it.
CUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Righto
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Supercoolguy64
12.14.19 | its kinda funny how your bringing up all that when i was just getting on your ass for acting like younger people are 'cunty', seems like your hiding something, eh? |
GhandhiLion
12.14.19 | "There’s 15 million more people in the UK than there was 20yrs ago, it’s a bit shit."
Discussions about overpopulation are not taboo.
"Christ. Crimes off the charts at the minute them Albanian/Somalian/Pakistani gangs are a nightmare"
Crime is caused by poverty, not genes. That statement appears racist because there are white gangs in the UK.
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Supercoolguy64
12.14.19 | "I’m a bit uneasy with kids being taught about certain things at school, it seems a bit unnecessary at that age."
unless they're specifically teaching kids how the lgbt have sex then i see nothing wrong with kids learning about them. like its fine for a guy and a girl to kiss and talk about how much they love each other and stuff in family/kids movies, so i dont see why not have the same with same-sex couples |
Demon of the Fall
12.14.19 | There does seem to be a lack of respect these days, the outraged Corbyn worshiping youth take to social media and spew vomit all over the place, no discussion necessary apparently. I’ve seen comments suggesting Tories are scum just for thinking differently to them, essentially. Maybe they’ve been mislead, maybe not... but let’s have a little respect for one another. This phenomenon is so absurdly strange to me, aren’t these kids (I’m calling them kids, they sure act like it) supposed to be accepting of others? It’s at complete odds with their ethos and leaves a bad taste in the mouth tbh. |
Demon of the Fall
12.14.19 | Why can’t people accept that not everyone thinks the same way? The answer isn’t to throw around insults and pretend like your superior somehow. Yes I’m basing this on actual examples, apparently hardened criminals or terrotists just need ‘rehabilitation’ but Tories are beyond help and all need euthanising. Ludicrous. |
Supercoolguy64
12.14.19 | i think it's just a reaction towards the similar attitudes older people give to the younger, like how many teachers and coworkers do you know that gives that condescending, "im-only-talking-to-you-because-i-have-to" vibe when interacting with younger people, and how many of them specifically are right wing?
you're not wrong with leftist youth acting like pricks online, but in there/my defense i've met plenty of right-winged boomers who treated me and others my age like complete idiots. it's jsut that these boomers tend to act this way in real life moreso than on the internet. |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | You’re bang on there demon son |
Demon of the Fall
12.14.19 | Oh yeah, when you’re a kid no-one listens to you. I talked back of course, but it was difficult getting a word in. This is more to do with the curse of the internet age and oversharing/stream of consciousness shit on Facebook and the like. I imagine we’re (mostly) passed the point of ‘seen and not heard’ and young people can at least have an opinion at home, so not sure that’s it. Also, when I say ‘young’ I’m talking about people in their 20s, not kids like my historical recollection of my own youth. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.14.19 | Demon on the real shit |
Demon of the Fall
12.14.19 | I don’t know what that means, guess I just like laying down bombs of truth. |
Thalassic
12.14.19 | "Christ. Crimes off the charts at the minute them Albanian/Somalian/Pakistani gangs are a nightmare"
Obviously I don't live in the UK, but I've done quite a bit of research on the topic of organized crime and I got a mate whose dad grew up in Southwark and there's plenty of dirt going on in some local British communities as well. The thing is that for instance Somali's are mostly indicted for more petty crimes which of course is a bigger nuisance to the average guy in the street. When my mate's dad grew up he knew of plenty of businesses that were up to their neck in debts (sometimes even forced debts) to the shadiest of shady people, who were all white British. Stuff like that is still going on in plenty of places (Liverpool, Nottingham, Essex, Glasgow...etc...)
So yeah, visible crime committed by immigrant populations are definitely a major nuisance that needs to be dealt with. On the other hand, less visible organized crime may not have that much of an effect on a regular joe, but is a literal nightmare for those who do get affected - and this is something that occurs in several "ethnic" communities, but plenty of it is also occurring in "indigenous" communities |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.14.19 | @demon it means i agree |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.14.19 | now thalassic on some real shit dayum |
Egarran
12.14.19 | >They will ultimately be judged on their ability to lead but be forever condemned by the idiots.
Ok that made me lol |
Deez
12.14.19 | Spot on Thal |
Egarran
12.14.19 | Yeah zak just has to change his mind now. |
Deez
12.14.19 | See what he says when he finishes putting the cross up in his front lawn |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | Put me back out hefting the fucker. Maybe I can get some foreign labour to do it for me on the cheap. |
Deez
12.14.19 | Thats how we got ours up |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | The way I’d describe people’s thoughts of the over 50s being racist is the father in law - I know no one else who does more for the community for zero recompense just because he likes to help people, he’ll sort your gutters, get you something useful off a job he’s working that’s not needed, etc and have a good Ol chat with you whoever you are. He’ll take you as he finds you.
But he’ll say ‘oh I did a job for the paki down the street’ - truth is he probably has done ten favours for her, cleared her gutter, etc etc, has no problem with her, just old school
Then the gypsies came down the street and ripped off all the old folk / he talks to the gypos , he talks to the plod, he talks and helps the old folk. He gets all the perspectives at play.
Most people will say he’s a bit racist for how he talks/votes - but he’ll help all the people in the community more than 99% of the people in the UK. He voted Brexit etc
That’s the reality that blinded wankers can’t understand - no experience, no empathy |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | Old school.
‘Boomers’ > |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | He walks the walk
So many cunts just talk the talk
I’m ashamed I don’t do shit for my community compared to him - but he’d be Corbyn’s pariah and unacceptable to a lot of people’s ‘sensibilities’ |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | I know a bloke whose in his 50s and is the same. Does peoples roofing, fixes their cars the lot and literally wants nothing in return but has a proper mouth on him.
He also freely admits that he is trying to make up for past regrets because he used to a proper wrong un.
Probably a nonce but he doesn’t seem the sort. |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | If his current actions speak for him they speak for him |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | The fact he talked to the same gypsies who ripped off his own parents and didn’t lose his temper speaks volumes - people on the internet sound like they want to lynch you for a difference of opinion
Proper bloke, no shit, got it sorted |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | On that whole racism thing I honestly don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who is genuinely racist other than my nan.
People call out people for being racist for such nonsense nowadays. I’m only 40 and I can remember a time when you would see real groups of neo-nazi skinheads walking around. Fucking awful.
What would today’s ‘everyone is racist’ mob think of that? |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | They’d be at a loss to how such bullshit could exist - but it did |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | I am of the opinion that on a whole, as a majority we as people are actually making some progress but the minority are shouting twice as loud and an even smaller minority are getting all the attention.
We’ve been on this planet fuck knows how many years and the progress has been so unbelievably slow and yet people think it can all just change overnight. |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | My gran hated the Japs but they tortured and killed half of my grandfather’s friends - they were fucking beyond the pale in WW2
She’d never forgive them |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | ‘people think it can all change overnight’
Yes, this is the most annoying thing - change is better at a realistic pace not ‘I have no patience want it now’ |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | The wife was saying apparently there’s a lot of support for not teaching ‘war’ in schools as it is ‘negative’ and ‘distressing’
Eh, hmm, how about no lol |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | Bless her. You’re never going to be able to re-wire the brain to simply forgive and forget certain things that some people will never be able to imagine let alone actually experience and live through. |
zakalwe
12.14.19 | Give it a couple of years and it’ll be
Today’s history lesson on the Roman Gladiators and how they let off steam after cuddling lions by fisting one another in the baths. |
DoofDoof
12.14.19 | She’s gone now, that was the pallbearer funeral this year - she wouldn’t scream at you for going to Japan or eating sushi or whatever
She just personally would avoid anything like that out of respect for her husband and just the knowledge of how they behaved in WW2 - she didn’t actively wish harm on them or anything like that, she’d just got her opinion on them
She never held quite the same disdain for the German people but that’s her experience. She’d be labelled racist - but with empathy and context you’d think she was certifiably mad not to hold those personal views |
GhostB1rd
12.15.19 | Yo this thread is really long, did sinternet talk about the people voting against their own interests and how everyone should riot yet? |
DoofDoof
12.15.19 | At least three times yes |
DoofDoof
12.15.19 | Fair play to Corbyn for taking the time to apologise and admit culpability for balls’ing the party/campaign up to the degree traditional labour voters had to vote Tory for the first time
Even if it came after heavy pressure from advisors it’s still what he needed to say. Some degree of respect earned - though he still didn’t say he was wrong explicitly. |
DoofDoof
12.15.19 | Dunno what this NHS spending commitment law the Tories are promising is but something to watch
For example, could you increase the legal commitment if there was more money (hypothetically) after Brexit? |
Trebor.
12.15.19 | United Ireland and Scottish independence here we come baby |
DoofDoof
12.15.19 | The Scots have definitely got some strong leadership if they go independent.
Would be weird visiting Scotland with a fistful of euros in 7 years time, it would be ‘going abroad’ |
zakalwe
12.15.19 | A United Ireland? Yeah good luck with that.
That’s another one that gets on me tits as well.
An independent nationalist Scotland- Yay 🌈 🍾
United Ireland - Terrific 🎉
The UKs withdrawal from the EU - Nazi racist scummer 💩 |
DoofDoof
12.15.19 | The only thing with Scottish independence if they then join the EU is imagine the pound performs really well against the Euro (hypothetical) and with global warming it becomes an attractive holiday location for the english - imagine English tourists heading over there and it costing considerably less for them
That would rankle the Scots no end - that’s the nightmare scenario for Scotland |
Sinternet
12.15.19 | except in those cases the 'nationalist' movement is not run by racists or dogwhistling to them and comes from a real place of self-determination and not 'i don't like the immigrants coming over' |
Trebor.
12.15.19 | To quote Luke Skywalker, it's time for the British empire to end |
zakalwe
12.15.19 | Sin don’t be a fool mate.
Let’s dump 5 million English into Scotland in a relatively short time and see what they have to say about it. |
DoofDoof
12.15.19 | The British empire?
There’s no British empire.
The British isles splitting up...I think it’s a shame but I also voted to remain in Europe.
Financially it’ll probably benefit England but that’s not the only reason to have these alliances - it seems the way things are going though |
zakalwe
12.15.19 | Too much oil up in Scotland |
DoofDoof
12.15.19 | Would be interesting after the UK as a whole voted to make themselves worse off with Brexit (at least it seems likely in the short term) then Scotland do what most experts say is the same thing (they’d be poorer in the short term at the very least) and leave the UK to join the EU (if they qualify, that deficit is large)
Ideology ahead of pragmatism - interesting times, willing to risk having less money for notions of ‘identity’ and ‘control’
Not saying it’s wrong just a new prevailing outlook |
Egarran
12.15.19 | > I honestly don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who is genuinely racist
Damn, you must have high standards for racism.
"In Johnson’s 2004 novel Seventy-Two Virgins: A Comedy of Errors there are accusations that oligarchs“of Jewish origin” run the media and are able to fiddle a vote; mixed race people called “half-caste”; travellers described as “pikeys”; someone is “stupid because he is a coon” and a traffic warden working in Westminster as a “hunter-gatherer” because he is an African immigrant, as well as the use of the “n” word."
Inb4 "Oh but that's not genuine."
Well, you could fool me and probably a lot of racist voters. |
zakalwe
12.15.19 | If those characters progress through the story and ‘unite’ and the book itself was written by a BAME or woman it’d be seen as ‘revolutionary’ |
InFlamesWeThrash666
12.15.19 | "I honestly don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who is genuinely racist"
Do you live in a cave or something |
Egarran
12.15.19 | Somehow I suspect zak can't be swayed. These days, changing your opinion is seen as personal defeat.
See: Brexit. |
zakalwe
12.15.19 | Like I’ve said in comparison to my nan who is a genuine racist, as in wants absolutely nothing to do with black people. Won’t have them near her in the hospital and such then yeah I don’t think there’s anyone other than her. She’s 93 years old and brutal with some strange values, certainly not someone I adhere to be like. |
GhandhiLion
12.15.19 | Do you not realise that racism is usually implicit?
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DoofDoof
12.15.19 | Most people are a bundle of contradictions and surely everyone has some degree of unconscious bias concerning race - I’m more with Zak’s definition for someone being Mr A. Racist |
GhandhiLion
12.15.19 | Yes, everyone has some degree of racist bias and it should be reduced. But the explicit side of racism doesn't begin with skinheads and end with Hitler. |
GhandhiLion
12.15.19 | My nan doesn't hate anyone, but she once said that staring at the characteristics of black people lead her to realise that we did definitely "evolve from monkeys". |
DoofDoof
12.15.19 | Well the examples I gave of my gran who did hold private beliefs that would be classed racist but imo totally justified and understandable in her circumstance - the Japanese ruined her husband’s life. The way they treated POWs in WW2 was not good etc
The father in law definitely holds racist beliefs to some degree and uses racist language - but he’d do more for anyone he met than I would, or indeed most people would. He likes everyone give or take how they respond to him, so open minded socially. He does favours for anyone - as I said he’ll still leave scrap metal out for the gypsies despite the cunts going through his neighbourhood ripping off all the pensioners.
So things aren’t cut and dry when you start looking at individual cases instead of generic ‘groups’ |
GhandhiLion
12.15.19 | She thought that was a beautiful thing, you might call it "old school".
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DoofDoof
12.15.19 | That’s just a lack of experience in her daily life and education really
Obviously should be a thing of the past in 2020 but it’s not a red flag that she’s an evil racist |
GhandhiLion
12.15.19 | Comparing blacks to apes sounds pretty oldschool to me. |
GhandhiLion
12.15.19 | Well that's just it. You think intent is the only thing that matters. Most people are not aware of their racism. |
Egarran
12.15.19 | Even Jonathan Pie is on the 'we should have been nicer and more understanding' team now: https://youtu.be/G0nIhL4v6bY
And I agree that they should all be a team and work together, but in reality it's hard to just smile and nod - in the hope that this may appease angry ignorants. |
DoofDoof
12.15.19 | I think there’s a difference to someone having done something racist and ‘being a racist’ I guess
To be classed a racist it has to be a regular and fundamental characteristic and history of behaviour. I’m not saying this is ‘good racism’ at all - just saying these people aren’t in the same category as what I consider the truly evil and destructive racists
To be an ‘evil racist’ you actually have intent to cause distress and harm is my distinction, like a neo nazi thug or yes, a racist politician spreading propaganda etc |
DoofDoof
12.15.19 | The worst racist thing I’ve done in the last five years is there’s a bloke who runs the fantasy football at work called David Wong but I’d never met him but I presumed he was this bloke who looked about forty five (I’d heard he was middle aged) and had oriental looks. There was no one else I’d noticed on the floor of about 200 people who had those two characteristics so I’d always presumed that was David Wong.
Someone comes up to me and says ‘you do the fantasy football, where does David Wong sit?’ so I sent him to where the bloke I thought was David Wong sits...of course that wasn’t David Wong. The bloke comes up and says ‘that isn’t David Wong’ and looked at me like I was a total piece of shit.
I cringed for about an hour. It was bad but it was really just a bit of bias leading to an assumption and general laziness. Not my best moment ever but shit happens, you just try and not let that happen again lol |
Deez
12.15.19 | hahahhahahahahaha |
DoofDoof
12.15.19 | Yeah most of the ‘bad’ things I’ve done in my life are down to stupidity, ignorance, laziness or a combo of the three
So I think that’s why I’m all for giving people a second chance for such foibles unless the intent is proven to have been sinister |
GhandhiLion
12.15.19 | There is nothing racist about what you did in that example. It was just a dumb hasty response. You should have just said you don't know who he is. |
rodrigo90
12.15.19 | I can't believe that I'll be seeing how the United Kingdom becomes the Divided Kingdom. |
zakalwe
12.15.19 | lol doof.
Someone surely must have piped up with the old ‘Apologies but looked like we were wong in that assumption’ |
rodrigo90
12.15.19 | I guess your age of British colonies will be over in a few years. |
zakalwe
12.15.19 | We’ve given everything back bar the Falklands solely because of 1986.
Never forget. |
rodrigo90
12.15.19 | We’ve given everything back bar the Falklands solely because of 1986.
Oh boy with our new president, Boris will have a a huge headache in terms of bilateral relations with Argentina. |
zakalwe
12.15.19 | I have to say Fernandez looks extremely dashing. Like an old school English Gent. |
rodrigo90
12.15.19 | I hate to say this though, but Argentina has bigger problems that recovering Malvinas.... |
zakalwe
12.15.19 | Economy has been in the bin since the mid 90s hasn’t it? Massive crime rates? It’s a utopia compared to other South American countries from what I’ve heard. |
rodrigo90
12.15.19 | Yep, pretty much. |
