garas: Bergtatt 🆚 Nattens

garas 11.29.19	In my opinion Bergtatt is unmatched.
Thalassic 11.29.19	Bergtatt by far imo
hal1ax 11.29.19	nattens
Trifolium 11.29.19	Nattens, I like Bergtatt but I'm not as big a fan of it as most. I could listen to Nattens every day.
budgie 11.29.19	bergtatt for me
blou52 11.29.19	Nattens for sure. The production might be borderline unlistenable but the music underneath is too good
Source 11.29.19	welcome my last chapter
DungeonBoy 11.29.19	Bergtatt easily for me. Think I'll jam it now
garas 11.29.19	The correct black metal phase Ulver order is: Bergtatt > Vargnatt >>>>> Nattens
budgie 11.29.19	i haven't listened to vargnatt in a billion years
JohnnyoftheWell 11.29.19	I vote blood inside
garas 11.29.19	Johnny: Noted. Maybe later I'll make a whole discog Ulver voting too, haha! budgie: Then it is about time, Vargnatt is so overlooked! But I think that one is beautiful.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.29.19	Sorry lol I'm just trolling. Haven't listened to either of these in forever tbh, need to fix this
CugnoBrasso 11.29.19	I'm afraid I'll have to vote Bergtatt but have you listened to the remixed version of Nattens on Trollsk Sortmetall? They re-recorded the bass tracks, downright glorious!
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.29.19	whatever the opposite of what budgie said gets my vote
JohnnyoftheWell 11.29.19	I'm gonna give Nattens the vote actually solely because Hymn IV exists
Source 11.29.19	is vargnatt a burzum tribute album
Trifolium 11.29.19	Hymne VI is why I vote Nattens. Wolf and Passion. Raw bm has never sounded as happy and triumphant.
loulou 11.29.19	bergtatt
ScuroFantasma 11.29.19	i think Nattens is superior, though I listen to Bergtatt more frequently.
bbgames 11.29.19	Nattens
JohnnyoftheWell 11.29.19	if VI is the one I think it is, it rips and is wonderful
Itwasthatwas 11.30.19	Bergtatt by a mile tbh
IAmScott 11.30.19	Perdition City
TheClansman95 11.30.19	both fantastic albums, but for me the best one is Bergtatt.
Pikazilla 11.30.19	team bergtatt yes yes
budgie 11.30.19	team bergtatt best
dedex 11.30.19	let's go for bergtatt
sixdegrees 11.30.19	nattens
BAT 11.30.19	Nattens, never really gravitated to bergtatt but i was into borknager and arcturus for a while. Need to give their current stuff a shot
Keyblade 11.30.19	Bergtatt
TVC15 11.30.19	Nattens, easily
Rowan5215 11.30.19	bergtatt ye
Meridiu5 11.30.19	vote natty for the trems
oltnabrick 11.30.19	nattens
theBoneyKing 11.30.19	Nattens
garas 11.30.19	Wow, equal amount of votes!
Trifolium 11.30.19	Nice!!! It absolutely is Johnny (I think... ☺️)
Grimlin 11.30.19	Nattens
Trifolium 11.30.19	Yes Grimlin!!!
Sinternet 11.30.19	nattens probably edges it for me (but yes team perdition outside of this binary)
Alastor 11.30.19	Bergtatt yo
Elynna 11.30.19	Bergtatt
AstralBlood 11.30.19	Bergtatt
Egarran 11.30.19	I'm not voting before I know where we're going with this. If my album lost I would be a lesser person.
TVC15 12.01.19	Woah when did Boney start listening to black metal?
Tyler. 12.01.19	nattens
LifeFeedsOnLife 12.01.19	Bergtatt
Gyromania 12.01.19	Bergtatt
Egarran 12.01.19	Looks like the madrigal of the night is running away with this! It's a werewolf btw.
budgie 12.01.19	bergtatt is winning
Egarran 12.01.19	Yeah I'm lying. runs away giggling 'god his life must suck so much'
oltnabrick 12.01.19	besides Keyblade, everyone who picked bergtatt is lame
garas 12.01.19	Team Bergtatt takes the lead. "besides Keyblade, everyone who picked bergtatt is lame" pffffffff ( ͠° ͟ʖ ͠°)
Pikazilla 12.01.19	besides oltnabitch and darius, everyone who picked nattens is cool
Sinternet 12.01.19	im honored
Trifolium 12.01.19	[2]
0xME 12.01.19	I'm late to this party, but while Nattens is great, Bergtatt is pretty much the perfect album
IAmScott 12.01.19	Y'all arent even talking about the best ulver record
Sevengill 12.01.19	Nattens
GhandhiLion 12.01.19	Y'all arent even talking about the best ulver record [2]
GhandhiLion 12.01.19	I like both about the same so I'll vote Nattens
garas 12.01.19	Nah, noone is late, this is a long party! I'm still updating! "Y'all arent even talking about the best ulver record" Tbh, that would be very hard for me, because I have three 5.0s from them, and I love 'em pretty much equally.
Egarran 12.01.19	We can't bring Marriage up in every thread.
climactic 12.01.19	nattens
Deathconscious 12.01.19	Bergtatt, easily. Nattens isnt that impressive to me, more of a basic bitch black metal album.
IAmScott 12.01.19	Lol what? Can you elaborate a bit
Metz 12.01.19	Bergtatt without the shadow of a doubt. I'd even say it's the finest black metal album ever written
Gyromania 12.01.19	Nattens sounds like a bunch of dudes playing on a broken amp from Wal-Mart while hitting tin cans with wooden spoons in their garage
GhandhiLion 12.01.19	You make it sound better than it actually is.
asanisimasa 12.01.19	begtatt
blou52 12.01.19	I'm not surprised Bergtatt is winning. I mean, it's a lot easier to see the beauty in that compared to Nattens
Eakflanderyof 12.01.19	Bergtatt. But I still like nattens a lot Nattens has some great riffage but the production sets it back. I like to at least hear the drums clearly. The low end is barely there so the kick is nearly inaudible. By contrast, the production on bergtatt is spot on and the atmosphere is perfect. Definitely one of my favorite bm albums
Deathconscious 12.01.19	Where Bergtatt was very unique for the time, Nattens was just another straightforward black metal album. Its got decent riffs, but i never loved it.
GhandhiLion 12.01.19	Do you even buzzsaw?
hal1ax 12.01.19	bergtatt is way more basic to me than nattens.
GhandhiLion 12.01.19	Especially with all those folk parts
InFlamesWeThrash666 12.01.19	Bergtatt because it doesn't make my ears bleed
ElioG 12.01.19	Berg dat yeah.
Deathconscious 12.01.19	The folk parts and singing are exactly what makes it not basic. No one else sounded like them when that came out. Nattens sounded like a 100 other albums.
garas 12.01.19	[2] "Especially with all those folk parts" For me, those are essential in the album's succes and overall mood + atmosphere.
hal1ax 12.01.19	it depends what you mean by basic. if by basic you mean a more commonplace sound relative to what was the established black metal aesthetic, then sure. if by basic you mean a less challenging, more immediate and accessible sound, then bergtatt is more basic.
Deathconscious 12.01.19	"if by basic you mean a more commonplace sound relative to what was the established black metal aesthetic" That is what i mean. "if by basic you mean a less challenging, more immediate and accessible sound, then bergtatt is more basic." I guess Nattens is more challenging and less accessible in the sense that its harsher, but id say Nattens is also a much more immediate record. Its more about riffs, Bergtatt is more about the bigger picture and atmosphere.
hal1ax 12.01.19	agreed then edit: partially agreed then
Eakflanderyof 12.01.19	Honestly, nattens is pretty basic as far as bm albums go. Most of the songs are only two or three riffs and the album is like 80 percent blastbeats and almost nothing but tremolo picked melodies. Bergtatt has way more variety
hal1ax 12.01.19	simplicity done well is important. something doesn't have to be protean to be attractive. i guess it depends what you're looking for. nattens has never bored me.
GhandhiLion 12.01.19	Even Ulver said their folk parts were naive.
Deathconscious 12.01.19	Who cares, artists always see their own work way differently than everyone else does.
Deathconscious 12.01.19	@hal i edited that comment quite a bit, idk if that "agreed" would still stand.
hal1ax 12.01.19	i would argue nattens is about atmosphere too... its atmosphere is just less immediately grasping and harder to decipher
ElioG 12.01.19	Exactly, I watched a Coppola masterclass years ago here in Greece and he said he thinks the Godfather Trilogy are his weaker movies. Go figure.
GhandhiLion 12.01.19	"Bergtatt is more about the bigger picture and atmosphere." True, it's more of a concept album. "The folk parts and singing are exactly what makes it not basic." The folk elements are generic and they are not always combined with the unique black metal parts. "Nattens sounded like a 100 other albums." Name one. That trashy guitar sound was unique.
Deathconscious 12.01.19	The production is slightly unique, ill give it that, but its not THAT different from other albums that had already been out. And the songwriting sure isnt unique.
Eakflanderyof 12.01.19	I mean yeah... nattens is unique in that the guitar sounds like they cranked up the treble all the way and turned all the mids and low end completely down to 0 and recorded it through a potato in an unfinished basement. I like nattens but still
Deathconscious 12.01.19	Whether you think the folk parts were generic or whatever, doesnt matter, not the point. The point is, they didnt sound like anyone else at the time.
Eakflanderyof 12.01.19	Also the folk break in wolf and fear is one of the best parts of the album
Pikazilla 12.01.19	Yes, clearly no one knew how to trem pick in 1997
GhandhiLion 12.01.19	"but its not THAT different from other albums that had already been out" Agreed, but I think the same for Bergtatt.
Trifolium 12.01.19	I think Bergtatt is a bit overrated actually. Nattens is super mega addictive and never loses its punch.
budgie 12.01.19	MIND YOURSELF TRIF
hal1ax 12.01.19	do the unholy trinity list next
garas 12.01.19	"do the unholy trinity list next" Alright! Tomorrow is Darkthrone day!
Thalassic 12.01.19	I like how Ulver supposedly were handed a fairly large budget to make Nattens, but decided to spend 98% of that money on Rolex watches, tailored suits and cocaine. Not sure if it's an urban legend, but epic if true.
Trifolium 12.01.19	I know budgie, still a 4.5 to me. It's your fave ever in forever right?
budgie 12.01.19	like killing is my business? 90% of the budget on coke and heroin, that's the way to make a classic apparently
budgie 12.01.19	i think youre overrated, trifolium
GhandhiLion 12.01.19	@Thalassic And that they recorded the album outside lol.
garas 12.01.19	"I like how Ulver supposedly were handed a fairly large budget to make Nattens, but decided to spend 98% of that money on Rolex watches, tailored suits and cocaine." I hope it is true.
Thalassic 12.01.19	@GhandiLion Lmao yeah the stories add charm to the album @Budgie When you take a look at what he came up with when he was coked up compared to what he made when he wasn't, I think it's time for Dave to pick up that crack pipe again
budgie 12.01.19	also being young angry hungry poor vs. being successful and older
Relinquished 12.01.19	nattens
Disorderly 12.01.19	Bergtatt
Bobshat 12.01.19	bergtatt for sure
R4zor3dge 12.01.19	Bergtatt.
oltnabrick 12.01.19	InFlamesWeThrash666
hal1ax 12.01.19	bergtwatt
Deathconscious 12.01.19	Nattens Ice
budgie 12.01.19	carlsbergtatt
dwightfryed 12.01.19	Nattens
ScuroFantasma 12.02.19	Separating the men from the boys with this one
mifzal 12.02.19	Nattens easily
garas 12.02.19	Scuro: >:p
Egarran 12.02.19	>carlsbergtatt As a side note Carlsberg employed a lot of swastikas on their pre-WW2 merch. https://imgur.com/a/OfTJSjE
Deathconscious 12.02.19	"Separating the men from the boys with this one" Agreed, now we all know who prefers a run-of-the-mill bm album over a folky bm masterpiece
Relinquished 12.02.19	lol run-of-the-mill cuz it came out late in '97 or
BallsToTheWall 12.02.19	Bergtatt. The woodland stomping sample just can’t be beaten.
Dimorphic 12.02.19	Bergtatt by a country-fucking-mile. And I say that as a huge fan of Nattens Madrigal.
mifzal 12.02.19	Who the f are you to f my choice? Really depends on the day for me. Nattens now.
garas 12.02.19	What's the matter, mifzal?
Sunnyvale 12.02.19	Bergtatt
Trifolium 12.02.19	Run of the mill for you, one of the best bm albums ever for me.
Deathconscious 12.03.19	Nah i respect the opposite opinion, im just clapping scuro's cheeks a little.
Deathconscious 12.03.19	Bergtatt. The woodland stomping sample just can’t be beaten. [2]
aydross121 12.03.19	Bergtatt. Both are good but this one doesn't sound like complete ass.
Gallantin 12.03.19	Nattens, no contest
ScuroFantasma 12.03.19	@Deathconscious oi no fair boy genius (; Also I didn't recognise you with the new name at first, how you doing man?
Ashen 12.03.19	Nattens Madrigal – Aatte Hymne til Ulven i Manden
Cimnele 12.03.19	🆚
Meridiu5 12.04.19	can't flatten the natten
budgie 12.04.19	the berg is the word everybody knows
cinnamoncakeface 12.04.19	Nattens
Deathconscious 12.04.19	@scuro im doing well, working too much, still damaging my IQ with too much death metal, you know. m//////