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Gyromania 04.22.19	No real character development going on, a lot of cliche fan service dialogue. I'm struggling to recall anything eventful that really happened outside of Jon being told he's a Targaryen and then telling Danny in the next episode.
Larkinhill 04.22.19	Is the big woman still here??
Slex 04.22.19	Episode 2 was absolutely incredible besides the Arya sex scene. Also, there's been 7 previous seasons of character development, I don't quite understand that one as a complaint, there's only 5 episodes left. Anyways. Grey Worm, Jaime and/or Tyrion, Theon, Gendry, and Brienne are definitely going to die. Brianne died already in the books so that one I'm really most certain of.
anarchistfish 04.22.19	dialogue has gotten a bit shit. rest is ok. does feel a tad rushed
trilo 04.22.19	dialogue sucks but the rest is fine. not great not terrible. i mean, i would've loved if this setup was done last season, but it wasn't so it was expected there would be these setup, calm before the storm episodes for the remaining battles. rest of the season should be good now that we have that out of the way.
LelandAB 04.22.19	Brienne becoming a knight was a fantastic scene. Well acted by all, especially Gwendolyn Christie.
TheSpirit 04.22.19	i've liked the two episodes a lot but i hate how they are handling the jon snow stuff, it seems rushed and not as important as it should be. his interaction with sam wasn't very satisfying when he initially found out and i don't think the scene with dany was very convincing either. i'm a big fan of everything else.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	Only good thing that happened was ginger savage talking about sucking giant titties tbh
DarkSideOfLucca 04.22.19	" based on the first 2 episodes of season 8 I don't have high hopes" Why? They're slower, but much needed episodes of all of the characters coming together one last time for a final farewell. We have only seen build up episodes so far. Next week is the battle episode of the season and then it will be full speed insanity until the end. Hold off before you lose your high hopes lol.
Gyromania 04.22.19	i can't imagine saying an episode full of padding and setup (the second episode in what has essentially been a 2-hour "people chillin in winterfell" buildup) is "absolutely incredible". like, it isn't awful but it just feels so padded out. i agree with what trilo, rly wish these slow calm-before-the-storm episodes were mixed in with the last season, leaving this one to be jam-packed with drama and fights and cool shit.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	season is Game of BFFs
DoofDoof 04.22.19	Big battle needs a build up guyz, c'mon now - it was all good character stuff. Was the opening line of the series Tyrion talking about 'Mr Very underused and possibly superfluous or am I missing something?' Varys' balls? Again again but ok. I feel it got the tension going, some Two Towers/Helms Deep stuff with the typical GoT irreverence/subversion of the genre in there too. Jamie knighting Brienne with no pomp, just in the middle of a fireside chit chat was nicely done. Few complaints so far, gotta say.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	"good character stuff"
DoofDoof 04.22.19	well when people complain it's all 'character stuff' someone has to be the lone voice of 'yeah, I don't want this season just to be a battle scene'
DoofDoof 04.22.19	At this point any complaining, you're on board, you're moaning about Return of the Jedi. This is this generation's Star Wars - the original SW was not perfect. It's a bit hokey. But most people forgive it. I really can't be feeling people who are invested in GoT up to SERIES 8 not realising that yeah, maybe it's more Return of the Jedi at this stage. A few 'ewoks' here and there. It's still the Star Wars of this generation, might as well enjoy it :/ Or not.
0xME 04.22.19	characters who haven't met for multiple seasons aknowledge their problems and resolve some of their differences - "filler episodes, nothing going on, whens cleganebowl" constant slaughter with well done fighting scenes - "but character x hasn't had their problems resolved"
0xME 04.22.19	pretty much what doof said [2]
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	star wars is still the star wars of this generation tho
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	this season: episode 1: "henlo evry1" episode 2: "dont b mad at my frien plz"
pjquinones747 04.22.19	so much build up these last four episodes better blow my face bath. give me more death than the peons are prepared for and ill be happy as fuck.
CosmicPie 04.22.19	"Why? They're slower, but much needed episodes of all of the characters coming together one last time for a final farewell. We have only seen build up episodes so far. Next week is the battle episode of the season and then it will be full speed insanity until the end. Hold off before you lose your high hopes lol." I agree. It feels like an obvious build up. It's still a bit slow, but in a way that makes sense when you're bringing everybody together and they're all nervous as hell.
DoofDoof 04.22.19	give GoT credit, it's nearly as influential as Star Wars, longevity depends how its legacy is handled - esp if it makes it into half decent movie spin offs eventually Star Wars it's more about how the actors and everyone involved was treated and seen after the films. Get the feeling a lot of these actors will get that kind of thing, more so than even the LOTR trilogy cast. I might be wrong, but a lot of child actors and unknowns here, a lot won't ever work in anything close to as popular as this again - people have a different sort of fondness to this show than most anything else the last decade. Star Wars has just got desecrated a bit the last couple of decades but ok its appeal remains constant.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	"give GoT credit, it's nearly as influential as Star Wars" no?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	no.
0xME 04.22.19	the last 4 episodes are basically 1.5 episodes each, so technically we've spent as much time on buildup as each of the next episodes. Honestly I'm surprised they did the necessary buildup so quickly without it seeming rushed. Don't forget that S08E02 was most likely the last time we've seen a lot of our favourite characters (or any character being somewhat content) tbh if you've enjoyed season 6/7 there's no reason to complain about season 8 (so far)
Gyromania 04.22.19	I actually for once agree with the only negative review on metacritic: "Did any of this episode’s farewells and cuddle piles subvert expectations? Were any relationships further deepened? Were our understandings of characters made more complex? ... The scariest implication of this episode is that Thrones might execute its grandest showdown without the zings of surprise, imagination, and bald-eunuch machinations that once made it great."
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	"child actors and unknowns here, a lot won't work in anything close to as popular as this again" lol well this i can agree with but I can't think of a single one that I'd care to see in anything as popular as this again either
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	"Did any of this episode’s farewells and cuddle piles subvert expectations? Were any relationships further deepened? Were our understandings of characters made more complex? ... The scariest implication of this episode is that Thrones might execute its grandest showdown without the zings of surprise, imagination, and bald-eunuch machinations that once made it great." [2]
DoofDoof 04.22.19	Pots - didn't say it was 'as big' but it's the closest there is. Prob will end up the third biggest sci fi nerd convention for the next 50 years outside Star Wars and Star Trek.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	"Pots - didn't say it was 'as big' but it's the closest there is. " aside from like, the entire marvel franchise, maybe
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	"Prob will end up the third biggest sci fi nerd convention for the next 50 years outside Star Wars and Star Trek." [x] doubt
Deez 04.22.19	I know aryas like 22 and 18 in the show but that scene weirded me out. In my head shes 14.Thought the po po where gonna come smashing through my window.
DoofDoof 04.22.19	'"Did any of this episode’s farewells and cuddle piles subvert expectations? Were any relationships further deepened? Were our understandings of characters made more complex? ... The scariest implication of this episode is that Thrones might execute its grandest showdown without the zings of surprise, imagination, and bald-eunuch machinations that once made it great." Euron and Cersei? Dani and Jon? Dani and Sansa? No idea how those relationships will go from here. The lord of light angle - no idea? Beric? Melissandre? Is she gone forever? Is that at all important? Something seems up with Arya too. Theon's unrequited love for Sansa I guess won't resolve as he'll just die any moment. I expect a few surprises of the 'actually unexpected' variety but fair enough if I'm wrong. The show must still wrap up close to the plot of the books and the books surely wouldn't end without intrigue so keep some faith?
zaruyache 04.22.19	"Brianne died already in the books" she's very much alive thankyouverymuch.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	re: the creepiness of the arya sex scene it doesn't help that Maisie Williams' aesthetic IRL is 'tweeny bop pop princess', like i don't care how old you are if you're mentally 12
DoofDoof 04.22.19	'aside from like, the entire marvel franchise, maybe' urgh, oh yeah, not a fan but you're right
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	i hope everyone fucking dies except bronn
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	"urgh, oh yeah, not a fan but you're right" me neither :/
JeetJeet 04.22.19	They really could've just smushed the first two episodes into one and trimmed down the fat. I don't have any big complaints about em tho.
DoofDoof 04.22.19	Bronn will claim a big scalp but he’s prob toast
JeetJeet 04.22.19	"i hope everyone fucking dies except bronn" Yup. I hope Greyworm & his girl who's name I cant spell make it out alive too tho.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	I hope bran gets fucking wrekt
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	hope everyone just dies and the rest of the season is just melisanre naked
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	hope arya dies so fucking hard
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	hope everyone dies so shamefully that the vast majority of deaths are off-screen
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	hope stannis comes back
LelandAB 04.22.19	Ned Stark about to be a headless white walker rising from the Crypts
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	yeah it would be siq if all the crypt corpses rose from the dead and murdered all the women and children and then everyone else just committed sudoku
LelandAB 04.22.19	Sansa murdered by her own undead mother.
zaruyache 04.22.19	my question is how tf does Cercei's army bit fit in. so i just assume it means they win in the north then their feeble remaining army has to go south immediately bc "reasons" to deal with her? or the white walkers don't completely destroy the northerners but continue south, and the north has to rally again (suurprise) and pop into king's landing to save the day. seems awkward whichever way
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	thats almost too poetic, i'm hoping she just trips, falls on her face funny, dies.
zaruyache 04.22.19	god sudokus are evil i hope nobody commits them
LelandAB 04.22.19	Did you see the Night King and a dragon at the end of the last episode? No, right? Maybe he's heading to King's Landing to TURN AN ENTIRE CITY INTO WALKERS.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	@zaru shes literally just planning on letting the north get fucked and coming in and finishing the job
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	it'll be sick af if the white walkers just murder everyone in the north to death by a landslide and cersei's plan just backfires miserably and the white walkers just mosey the fuck down to kings landing and murder-kill the fuck out of all them too and then fade to black
LelandAB 04.22.19	Daenarys about to blow a 3-0 dragon lead
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	cannot wait til daeny loses all her dragons and all her friends and also her life
CosmicPie 04.22.19	Lol, better just a comet hits and blows the planet up next episode. Destroys it all... even the cameras... remind everybody that we suck.
Slex 04.22.19	"She's very much alive" I've been proven wrong then and concede, my brother told me Lady Stoneheart hangs her in the books
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	@cosmicpie PERFECT
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.22.19	Break the 4th wall. The entire reality that GoT's is filmed in gets nerfed
zaruyache 04.22.19	"my brother told me Lady Stoneheart hangs her in the books" that's how it cliffhanger ends in Feast for Crows, but she briefly appears in the next book, appearing to be on her mission from Stoneheart to kill Jaime.
CosmicPie 04.22.19	But first hand it off to the demon, inter-dimensional world crusher. Grinding the memory of our perception in it's teeth.
unclereich 04.22.19	The worst part about the arya scene is that she looks like a little boy
artiswar 04.23.19	I'd say the fact the scene serves 0 purpose is worse
thedoom 04.23.19	So while episode 1 didn‘t do anything for me at all, this got me kind of hyped for the next one. Had some good scenes, despite the awkward dialogue.
thedoom 04.23.19	Although I wonder how they are going to do this showdown with the white walkers, and after that still have a big ass conflict with Cersei. They played up the Nightking to be the final villain.
zaruyache 04.23.19	yeah that's my problem too. Announcing her getting the Golden Company is just unnecessary at this point. If she's going to be a threat let it be a surprise. Her army has no dragon glass so they can't take the walkers anyway, so her army's only purpose is to fight the rest of the northern army.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.23.19	Sometimes I watch this show while thinking about how it once had good dialogue and I chuckle
BallsToTheWall 04.23.19	Tormund is The GOAT!
thedoom 04.23.19	Also, wtf is that armored ninja dress Sansa is wearing?
zaruyache 04.23.19	she heard they were making weps outta obsidian so she was like boooooooy you best make me a gown outta it
hal1ax 04.23.19	tormund was the only good thing about the last episode
zaruyache 04.23.19	wholesome freefolk egalitarianism
anarchistfish 04.23.19	I would be fine with just characterisation if the characterisation was anything but bland and safe. Tyrion and Jon especially have felt off for a little while now.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.23.19	Agreed. Also Daenerys is a terrible person.
Rolling Girl 04.23.19	I want Theon to have a good ending, he deserves some sort of win. Pots your ass must be raw taking all these shits.
Faraudo 04.23.19	What the shit, this 2 episodes have been outstanding, particularly the second one. Those 2 alone have been better than season 7.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.23.19	Theon deserves death
JeetJeet 04.23.19	I'm taking the biggest celebratory shot when Theon gets his wig split. Fuck that guy.
trilo 04.23.19	"Those 2 alone have been better than season 7." that's a low bar to clear tbf
Gyromania 04.23.19	daenerys is the absolute fucking worst. she's so one-track minded, always going on about the throne and her right to be ruler of the seven kingdoms. she's a raging sociopath who's been slowly becoming every bit as crazy as the mad king.
Faraudo 04.23.19	"that's a low bar to clear tbf" I know, season 7 left quite the precedent. Okay, these 2 episodes have been season 2 quality, I think.
Deez 04.23.19	would smash tho
Faraudo 04.23.19	"daenerys is the absolute fucking worst. she's so one-track minded, always going on about the throne and her right to be ruler of the seven kingdoms. she's a raging sociopath who's been slowly becoming every bit as crazy as the mad king." Dude, she's a terrible person. I never thought I'd hate her so much. Sansa on the other hand, became such a great character.
DoofDoof 04.23.19	‘Daenyrys is the absolute fucking worst’ At first I wasn’t sure if the show producers wanted us to have such major reservations over her but now it’s obvious they do. So considering a third of the show has been following her as a lead supposed ‘good’ character that’s pretty well handled and intriguing. She has the capacity to ruin the defence efforts in the north and has previous for jumping on a dragon and getting out of dodge. She knows she has a personal safe haven on the iron islands now thanks to Theon.
DoofDoof 04.23.19	I mean the Iron Island gang must have a purpose other than an aside in the credits ‘plus the Iron Islands were fine’. They’ve set it up. Who can head there realistically? Only Dani, Jon or Euron?
RadicalEd 04.23.19	At this point I just hope they all fucking die. Because at least that wouldn't be a fanservice ending. Thinking back on the first 2 episodes they were almost only fanservice scene, after fanservice scene. They feel so incredibly safe, I think the backlash at some of Season 7 was shining thru in more than one scene. Everyone is all cuddly and nice, the dialogue ranges from okay to cringy, all the once interesting character arcs are either over (Jamie, Sansa, Cersei, Samwell, Bran), butchered (Theon, Brianne, Arya, Daenerys) or the characters are gone. Of course we're getting to the end and some arcs have to wrap up before we get there, but what character drama is left? It's really regrettable that they didn't manage to keep the series on track after the books endend because aside from a few missteps I think the first 4 seaons are really fantastic and they still have a really strong cast (no, not you Kit Harington with your 1 1/2 facial expressions) and a lot of talented people in general.
artiswar 04.23.19	Agreed hard Ed but it wasn't all bad. I'd watch a whole spinoff of Tormund, Jaime, Brienne, and Davos locked in a room. I had many problems with this episode but the most noteworthy is all the Arya stuff is so cringey, tone-deaf and superfluous, I can't even. -edit- although her scene with The Hound was pitch perfect. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
RadicalEd 04.23.19	@ art. Yeah it's not all bad of course. I still mostly enjoyed the episodes. Especially the 2nd.
artiswar 04.23.19	One of the things that is really ruining it for me is the artificial dumbing down of Tyrion's character to contrive tension between him and Dany and to make Sansa look smarter. One of D&D's main sins has been taking characters like Tyrion, Varys, Roose, Doran, and Littlefinger who are supposed to be geniuses, and making them utterly dumb. The result is garbage writing but I'm trying to be optimistic. The next episode is supposedly a badass battle, so that's gonna be hard for them to fuck up.
osmark86 04.23.19	"Lol, better just a comet hits and blows the planet up next episode. Destroys it all... even the cameras... remind everybody that we suck." 10/10 ending
osmark86 04.23.19	season 8 has been pretty flat so far and a bit disappointing, much like last season. I still enjoy it though but wouldn't call it great. at this point I just want to see some epic battles and dramatic deaths, because I'm not holding my breath for tense intrigue anymore.
artiswar 04.23.19	The onslaught of reunions has been at least somewhat engaging, as well as all the S1 throwbacks, it's been much, much better than the inane mission to the North of S7.
DoofDoof 04.23.19	‘not holding my breath for tense intrigue’ I do wonder if any of the hundreds of predicted endings will get close to what the show delivers...I mean statistically a few must do, but the fact there are hundreds probably hints there’s still a little bit of intrigue left in the show yet. ‘Making characters like Tyrion, Varys, Roose...’ It’s a bit of a trope that these clever ‘uns all had a ‘blind spot’ or Achilles heal - but you’d be surprised IRL that a lot of smart and/or powerful people have these too. It’s a bit Shakespearean and maybe predictable but characters having the one fatal flaw is a hard device to remove from ‘human drama’ - because in most instances it rings true.
artiswar 04.23.19	I'm not denying that powerful intelligent people have an Achilles heel, I'm just saying the way D&D have portrayed them is trash. They have planted no seeds whatsoever for Tyrion to give Cercei the benefit of the doubt in any way shape or form, and Roose should have been well prepared and aware that Ramsey was conspiring to kill him. I don't need these hyper-intelligent characters to be perfect, they are only human, I just would prefer they don't feel like borderline retards, it hurts suspension of disbelief.
osmark86 04.23.19	I suppose the pregnancy stuff and all was that benefit of the doubt, but you'd think knowing her he'd know better. maybe he was clinging on to some hope that people actually are able to change and see past pettiness? either way, I'm fine with him making that mistake. bring on the battles!
osmark86 04.23.19	"I do wonder if any of the hundreds of predicted endings will get close to what the show delivers...I mean statistically a few must do, but the fact there are hundreds probably hints there’s still a little bit of intrigue left in the show yet." I guess we'll see. I don't think we'll get a happy ever after ending at least, because that just wouldn't feel right with the tone of the series as a whole. give us some gloom. preferably that comet smashing into the earth 4th wall ending.
Gyromania 04.23.19	100th comment boys oh sheet!
Gyromania 04.23.19	one of my biggest gripes is tyrion's character development. he used to be the cleverest person in the room, and one of the smartest overall (tywin and oleanna being the other two intellectual powerhouses) but over the series his character has devolved into cheap jokes and bad calls. he's become complacent and dull over time. also other things i'm salty about, like the way they killed off little finger, which i find completely unrealistic and dumb for several reasons.
DoofDoof 04.23.19	Roose had a slither of paternal love that killed him - he wanted a legacy beyond his own life, a little like Tywin on a not so overwhelming scale. He thought he'd given his 'son' something that would change their relationship, the thing he thought he'd always wanted more than anything else, that they wouldn't do each other over now as they'd legitimized a sort of blood bond. That the prospect of a legitimate legacy would appeal as much to Ramsey and that that would change Ramsey. It didn't. He still wasn't a 'proper son', he was still damaged and entirely self serving/depraved. The minute he put a bun in the oven he should reassessed though. I guess Tyrion thought Cercei seeing a zombie might have kick started some change in her usual priority list, if only out of preservation instinct. I'll admit this one seems less believable. Then again Tyrion saying 'it was a waste of time to see my sister, I don't believe her intentions are honest and I have no influence on my family, they won't ever help us' might have backfired, his knowledge of/influence over his own family is his biggest selling point for Dany. Maybe guilty of wanting to believe something ahead of cynicism, lying to himself a bit. I do think Tyrion has faded somewhat the last couple of seasons - he'll have his moments this season though.
DoofDoof 04.23.19	Gyro, agreed - Little Finger being offed was a waste because he really needed to reunite with Varys you felt. They were the two best characters in the entire show and I was expecting a pay off with maybe one getting the other hand over the other...or perversely you could have had them somehow working together. Either way would have been interesting. Varys I just don't understand the need for now. Hopefully the next episodes prove me wrong and he has some meaningful impact but I think the books indicate he's a dead man and if he goes down in battle it seems a bit of a waste and very un-Varys.
Egarran 04.23.19	1. episode was 6/10 2. ep was 8/10, I could look at this gang hang out for an entire spinoff. I choked up a couple of times, both because some reunions and knightings were touching, but also because they're just good people, Brett, facing death.
Gyromania 04.23.19	doof: thing is, i wouldn't mind them killing off little finger, but the way in which it was portrayed completely shattered my immersion. little finger, the person who's always scheming and one step ahead, this guy who can seemingly talk his way out of anything and is an adept liar and manipulator, just kind of stands there and accepts his fate as it's given to him in an anecdotal way. where is the fucking evidence? why isn't he asking for a proper trial by combat? or asking them to validate any of their claims. i could think of several legit lies for him. sansa mentions he pushed her aunt out a window, but back in the vale he and she testified she fell through the moon door. why did sansa lie then? is she lying now? like, he has so much plausible deniability and he doesn't even remotely try to build a defence. if anything he damns himself with everything he says. i thought it was dogshit writing, just some lazy fan service. no way in hell would little finger have ever let those events play out like that, it's insulting to the character that's been developed all through the show. both he and varys (and tyrion, i mentioned) are so disappointing now, and i think the reason for that is the writing just isn't as strong since they moved past the books.
DoofDoof 04.23.19	I think LF slipping up in the Vale was out of character and he relied on Sansa saving him. The only thing I can think is once we have to accept that slip, then later he expected Sansa to remain loyal, and maybe overestimated that bond. Something close to thinking she loved him - a small blind spot. He obviously spent that entire season trying to continue to manipulate her and remain her closest confidant. I guess a trial was a bit unnecessary when you’re being accused of absolutely everything ‘I didn’t do any of the twenty things you’re accusing me of - not one!’ You’re sort of done for there. It was like being presented with a ‘This is Your Life’ book - they knew not just one indiscretion, one crime...that he might worm out of...but they knew EVERYTHING - that would have taken him aback. Also I’m not convinced he had any real friends or allies at all - basically everyone was suspicious before (Royce and the Vale definitely had no real loyalty to him - without Sansa giving him an alibi he’d have been doing the ol’ trial by combat if allowed, prob not, he killed their ruler) - plus no one liked him, so buggered. I think usually his spidey sense would have made him leave Winterfell and maybe back to the Vale when suspicious people arrived (Arya, Bran, Brienne) but again, Sansa was the one person you could imagine he’d keep close to - due to his creepy affection, belief he could manipulate her and belief she was 100% loyal thanks to the alibi she gave him before. But his mask slipped first in the Vale, that was out of character to start with and where the character seemed a bit ‘off’.
Egarran 04.23.19	They could have thanked him before executing him, agreed.
anarchistfish 04.23.19	i feel like evil dany is gonna be canon now yh
anarchistfish 04.23.19	tyrion is a retard now varys is pointless littlefinger death made me orgasm but it was kinda abrupt i guess
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.23.19	I hope emilia clarke never acts again
artiswar 04.23.19	she is so terrible
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.23.19	She makes kit and sophie look versatile
artiswar 04.23.19	I can't believe she got to play Sarah Connor lmao fucking Hollywood
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.23.19	She may very well be the worst actress of all time judging from this, terminator genesis, and solo
osmark86 04.23.19	Where are my draaaaagons?!
Trebor. 04.23.19	Tormund drinking milk was the best thing on the show since season 4 God yeah Emilia Clarke is the worst, such a hindrance to the show. Kit Harrington isn't very good either but he's sort of improved over the years. I feel like all the best actors on the show are dead at this point. Tyrion really fell off as a character but that's more the writing than the acting
WatchItExplode 04.23.19	Show is doing a good job of making me dislike all my previous favorites agreed. Potsy ty I've never laughed so hard about GOT. also did Doof say that the book series was actually going to be finished or did I misread that?
TecumsehGargoyle 04.23.19	let's all go down to the crypts we'll be safe there
pjquinones747 04.23.19	@Tecumseh i'm definitely hoping they raise all the dead from the crypts and kill all the women and children and tyrion because that is the most practical least fan service way of going about it. but they'll probably get tyrion to notice at just the right time and evacuate the citizens out into the battle where they will SOMEHOW partially/mostly survive
Trebor. 04.23.19	Remember when Varys was an ambiguous character and not just nice good guy
artiswar 04.23.19	it looks like the book series will never be finished sadly. Shame too cause it was pretty damn interesting, especially compared to the show for many reasons
WatchItExplode 04.23.19	In the height of battle cut to George RR napping on the couch, crumbs in his beard and stains on his shirt. It was just a dream the whole time. There are no more episodes.
Trebor. 04.23.19	I have faith in him finishing still. It seems like he's about to finish Winds. It'll be nuts in terms of the 2000 fan theories on the internet that will be debunked or legitimized Least favorite part of the show is probably how there's very little theory based ambiguous mystery stuff
Rowhaus 04.23.19	"I hope emilia clarke never acts again" There's always hope
polyrhythm 04.23.19	Show for sure declined after season 4, but every season since has had great episodes (S08E02 included, thank you very much)
artiswar 04.23.19	'It seems like he's about to finish Winds' LOL I had hardcore fans telling me this in 2015 ffs!! George has his fingers in many pies, and he probably spent all of 2018 writing Fire & Blood and not touching Winds but I don't hold any of this against him. The dude hit the jackpot with this series and it completely changed his life. It's kind of hard to expect him to write like his next meal depends on it when his IP is basically a money printer. Dude went from rags to riches over night by writing his weird ass story on fucking WordStar 4.0
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.23.19	With the amount of time it took winter to come everyone could have just fucking moved.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.23.19	It only takes major living characters half an episode to traverse vast distances now, cant imagine it would take much longer to sail the ocean and build a new castle
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.23.19	Just dont take arya because it takes her 5 seasons to go the same distance
anarchistfish 04.23.19	"In the height of battle cut to George RR napping on the couch, crumbs in his beard and stains on his shirt. It was just a dream the whole time. There are no more episodes." the way it's written this wouldn't even feel out of place
anarchistfish 04.23.19	"The dude hit the jackpot with this series and it completely changed his life. It's kind of hard to expect him to write like his next meal depends on it when his IP is basically a money printer." yh can you imagine the pressure having to close out something so acclaimed
anarchistfish 04.23.19	still gonna watch the fuck out of the rest obvs. it's gonna be all action from here on out. just feels weird having 2 episodes of fan service/exposition and then just 4 more episodes
artiswar 04.23.19	Yeah, but the dude doesn't even read fan theories which have been around for decades. I don't think pressure is the problem. He explained exactly why the books have come to a stand-still. He finished DoD and was running hot as far as writing goes, but a bunch of other financial opportunities opened up to him, which he seized on. This led him to take almost 2 years off from writing the series and he lost the momentum. Picking it back up takes a shit-load of time when you're writing a story this complicated and trying to do it justice.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.23.19	How come the white walkers are so much slower than all the humans even tho they literally dont have to eat or rest nor anything
artiswar 04.23.19	because speed of plot
WatchItExplode 04.23.19	Frozen joints slow things down I imagine.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.24.19	I mean they seem pretty limber every time we see them. And it's not like various groups of humans havent gone there and back and there and back...
JeetJeet 04.24.19	They need some milk
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.24.19	well i think at this point its safe to say we may never see any payoff, follow-through, or explanation for: -whatever the fuck was going on with benjen -phantom shadow assassin babies -anything cool that has to do with the lord of the light -those scaly golems that give you scabies -jon having died and being not dead anymore -the lame little snow nymphs with energy balls that shoot from their hands -frankenmountain -arya being a runaway apostle of death -almost anything else interesting and fantastical BUT we WILL see more shitty actors riding shitty cgi DRAGONS
trilo 04.24.19	"I hope emilia clarke never acts again" this x1000 those scenes with sansa and jon last episode were dreadful
DominionMM1 04.24.19	we may not get those things potsy but we WILL get clegane bowl book it
DoofDoof 04.24.19	‘The lame little snow nymphs’ I think a whole white walkers/children of the bla origins spinoff show is coming.
DoofDoof 04.24.19	‘How come white walkers are slower’ Cos they’re stopping places to murder people - thought they said a whole load of northerners who didn’t show up to winterfell would be ‘fighting for the dead now’ or something like that? So a few mini battles/diversions to mop up some small outposts slowing them up perhaps. They’re taking ‘Ye Olde Scenic Route’ - while Tormund and friends took the direct route
Egarran 04.24.19	Pots must really be devoted to this show, nice to see. This possible death chart is pretty good: https://i.redd.it/y1e4nuzbw2u21.jpg
rockandmetaljunkie 04.24.19	Jon Snow, Brann, Brienne, the commander of thr night's watch, Pots, will be among many who will perish on the next episode. Say goodbye to those characters.
Egarran 04.24.19	You have to bet something.
DoofDoof 04.24.19	Hmmm, death chart - not sure Sam is in that much danger.
rockandmetaljunkie 04.24.19	No bets man, it's official
rockandmetaljunkie 04.24.19	There's no danger for Sam since he is "the prince that was promised".
DoofDoof 04.24.19	Should really do one of these again: https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=1060512&listid=166382
unclereich 04.24.19	This was great fun to discuss years ago when there werent only 6 episodes left. Now its like shut the fuck up and just wait a few more weeks you insufferable blokes
rockandmetaljunkie 04.24.19	"the dude doesn't even read fan theories which have been around for decades" He stopped reading those theories because in the past he used to spend a lot of time reading fan theories and he constantly changed the plot because the fans kept guessing how the story unfolds. He is that much of a great writer...
dimsim3478 04.24.19	when i talk to people about this show it feels like we are watching totally different shows
Pangea 04.24.19	the second episode was great. definitely an improvement of the first one. dialogue was somewhat decent again
Nuggets611 04.24.19	I've bought into the credible theory that the Night King is heading to Kings Landing with his ice dragon next episode to make a new army of the dead from the south. I'm pretty sure the Night King won't risk his dragon against two dragons at Winterfell. Lots of throwaway lines about the 1 million strong population of Kings Landing, imagine that being unleashed on the unsuspecting south? Don't forget Bran's vision had a shadow of a single dragon flying over Kings Landing and Dany's vision of the throne room in ash, particularly as she doesn't seem inclined to use the dragons against the capital, and she's had the opportunity. I'm guessing Bronn, despatched north, will witness the ice dragon flying to Kings Landing.
DoofDoof 04.24.19	Sounds a risky theory for the NK but it would explain how the battle of Winterfell could end if the NK isn't constantly on hand reviving the fallen every 10 seconds. But then, I guess we're going to see fallen 'big characters' revived and fighting against their comrades as that would all add to the fun/horror
Nuggets611 04.24.19	Agreed DoofDoof, it does seem like a risky move, but one I can see happening because the Night King massively maximises his chances of victory by spreading the undead across the south too. If the Night King can wipe out most of Kings Landing with the dragon in a quick attack, and raise an army of dead to spread across the capital, and by extension across the south, then Dany, Jon, and the 'living' are potentially stuck between two ever-increasing opposing forces. I do wonder if the show is going to do justice to the Night King and the army of the undead. Will they be a persistent threat throughout the final season? They spent a good several seasons building them up. It would feel a bit cheap if the northern forces stop the Night King and the undead in the next episode or two, and then conclude the series with a 'final battle' against the Lannisters.
DoofDoof 04.24.19	Ok, keeping with this theory a bit longer, even though I believe it will prove to be false: First intriguing thing is if the ice dragon heads south how does it actually kill people and is what's left of them still usable as zombie soldiers? Does it breathe 'blue fire' or ice, or 'extra cold breath', or some sort of 'pure death breath' like your average art teacher after lunch? It brought down the wall so it seems to have some physicality to it - the sort that would obliterate a person completely - so no zombie army? Second, the NK has left his post up north so 1. he can't revive anyone right? And 2: he's given the north resistance a 2 dragon advantage. Plus a lot of his best lads would get wiped out - he wouldn't want to lose all his generals you'd think. They are making a big deal about the iron islands as a refuge. I do feel Dany will fly away from battle somewhere - possibly to KL, possibly the Iron Islands, possibly in pursuit of the NK on his dragon. Dunno.
anarchistfish 04.24.19	"How come the white walkers are so much slower than all the humans even tho they literally dont have to eat or rest nor anything" they busy dicking about making pointless omens
anarchistfish 04.24.19	actually i figured it's cos they can only move as far as the harshest winter idk
anarchistfish 04.24.19	"I've bought into the credible theory that the Night King is heading to Kings Landing with his ice dragon next episode to make a new army of the dead from the south." south not wintery enough yet. next ep will be all winterfell battle
anarchistfish 04.24.19	"Jon Snow, Brann, Brienne, the commander of thr night's watch, Pots, will be among many who will perish on the next episode." jon has to kill dany and become king before he dies so no
DoofDoof 04.24.19	The white walkers are taking out pockets of resistance and/or undefended settlements as they go and adding to their army right? Or are they hot tailing it straight to Winterfell?
anarchistfish 04.24.19	jaime has to kill cersei also
anarchistfish 04.24.19	ok i guess it's possible especially considering there was no king's landing last ep and all the remaining eps are 80 mins long so I can kinda see the possibility for that twist from a production standpoint "https://i.redd.it/y1e4nuzbw2u21.jpg" lol i think samwell tarly survives, other than that this is pretty hilarious. what's this about tyrion and bran though?
JeetJeet 04.24.19	"lol i think samwell tarly survives" pls no. He's the one I wanna see bite the dust the most
Egarran 04.24.19	a-fish I still only know you as the guy who missed a joke and called me delusional - but Tyrion was the only guy interested in Bran's story, and he's been that since the beginning. Paraphrasing: "I want to hear what Bran says when he wakes up." Also after their talk, Tyrion's mood changed for the better: "I believe we'll win".
anarchistfish 04.24.19	delusional is my favourite word in the english language tbh. there's not even an equivalent in french which is sad
anarchistfish 04.24.19	i didn't read that tyrion stuff, hmmm
Egarran 04.24.19	Surely everyone is more or less delusional. I think the expression lacks bite and has unfortunate implications regarding your own rationality.
pjquinones747 04.24.19	Cersei wins
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.24.19	Uh oh egarran is posturing again
zaruyache 04.24.19	"south not wintery enough yet." as the books muse: we don't know if they bring the cold, or the cold brings them.
BeyondCosby 04.24.19	Bets on who will die: Jamie The Hound Beric Donderian Gendry The Onion Knight
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.24.19	did thoros die i dont remember
BeyondCosby 04.25.19	Yeah he died beyond the wall. Also, add Theon to my list.
CosmicPie 04.25.19	Yea, I can definitely see Theon dying soon. It feels like his character is hitting its peak. Fucked up in the beginning... and is in full redemption phase now. More than any other character, at least... Jamie is close. A willful sacrifice is coming, as you can still see extreme guilt in him regardless of how much he's changed. But who knows... it's GoT.
anarchistfish 04.25.19	Hound still has to kill his zombie brother for the ultimate fan service finale
anarchistfish 04.25.19	@egarran remind me what dumb comment you're referring to "has unfortunate implications regarding your own rationality." Go on. And don't say projection, that's the wrong answer
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.25.19	Why is Davos called the onion knight
Storm In A Teacup 04.25.19	If you think the Hound will die in the next episode you are an idiot.
hal1ax 04.25.19	"Surely everyone is more or less delusional. I think the expression lacks bite and has unfortunate implications regarding your own rationality." haha faux-freud at it again. hey you should catalogue all of these super impressive 'social experiments' you run on sputnikmusic.com into one giant compilation and send it to MENSA
zaruyache 04.25.19	he was a smuggler originally and snuck a ship full of onions into where Stannis's forces were held under siege so they wouldn't starve. Then Stanny cut off some of his fingers I think as punishment for being a smuggler in the first place, but then made him a Lord or w/e for helping out.
hal1ax 04.25.19	i miss stannis tbh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.25.19	Stannis will always be my king
Faraudo 04.25.19	Agreed, having Stannis around in season 8 would've been great.
Trebor. 04.25.19	Imagine letting self-proclaimed Stannis haters make the tv adaption of your books
JeetJeet 04.25.19	whats so special about Stannis?
Storm In A Teacup 04.25.19	yes, my brother also says the daughter sacrificing monster is the best person to hold the iron throne.
Trebor. 04.25.19	I don't mean like like you'd let the guy babysit your daughter, this is game of thrones, I mean like as in being entertained and invested. Also Dany has murdered way more people.
Egarran 04.25.19	Inevitable side effect of having 3 dragons and idealism.
WatchItExplode 04.25.19	Stannis' internal conflict bred misery wherever he turned. I rather onion bro hold the throne. As far as the living there are very few I'm rooting for to remain that way.
rockandmetaljunkie 04.25.19	Stannis's storyline was so boring, imo. Stupid character who made a lot of stupid decisions along the way. I'm actually wondering how faithful his depiction was.
DoofDoof 04.25.19	I was hoping Little Finger and Varys would both ‘win’ more than anyone else somehow so I’m not too invested in who wins or lives now LF is gone. Death and an ice dragon for everyone.
DoofDoof 04.25.19	Stannis was a pragmatic dude who had a couple of unlucky breaks then like the worst sort of gambler chased his losses. Increasingly desperate when outside his comfort zone. Thought his story was alright.
Egarran 04.25.19	It would great for teh lulz if the wights just marched around Winterfell and massacred King's Landing instead. Buuuuuut it seems unlikely. Also Doof, LF can still become a wight (along with all those dudes in the SAFE SAFE crypt) and that is also something I would like to see.
JeetJeet 04.25.19	Stannis did fuck all on the show. How much more interesting would the show really be if he was still on it? Is there something I'm missing about this guy? Bruh has a whole cult following while being one of the more boring characters on the series.
DDDeftoneDDD 04.25.19	So...Arya likes to fuck...boring 2nd episode tbh...reminded me twd
Pangea 04.25.19	i think most of stannis cult following is based on the books where he's seen as a just and pragmatic ruler. I'm not a huge fan of his character in the books either though. i agree that his story in the show had run its course
WatchItExplode 04.25.19	Baratheons and Greyjoys can all just fo in the books. Brienne isn't as interesting either.
Pangea 04.25.19	yeah the brienne chapters are kind of a drag still like her character in the books though. i generally don't care for the greyjoys except for theon and asha/yara. victarion is by far my least favourite character in the universe
Scheumke 04.25.19	I didn't dislike these first two episodes, and the second was a good build-up for the battle to come and a final farewell for some characters to be sure. I just hate the way how they've just tossed aside some of the most interesting characters. Varys was one of the cleverest, most intriguing characters of the first four seasons, now he's just there to have some eunuch jokes. Same with how they handled Littlefingers story (or lack thereof in season 6 and 7).
Pangea 04.25.19	yeah i agree. varys doesn't seem to have any purpose in the show anymore. it's a shame really
WatchItExplode 04.25.19	Varys has basically served his purpose in getting all our players to their current positions though.
Scheumke 04.25.19	^Agree, but then find a fitting way to close his story but don't drag him along doing nothing imo
anarchistfish 04.25.19	"Why is Davos called the onion knight" cos he'll crybaby you into joining his suicide war
anarchistfish 04.25.19	"reminded me twd" yh true
WatchItExplode 04.25.19	I haven't watched TWD in like four years I can't even imagine how miserable it is now.
DoofDoof 04.25.19	"reminded me twd" come now, that's way below the belt and that's coming from someone who has a little soft spot for twd
Storm In A Teacup 04.25.19	That crypt tho lol the dead are already there
anarchistfish 04.25.19	i mean at least this is only an episode or 2 so im being facetious ripping into it but yea i can see the lax twd vibes like i don't get how they're gonna win this battle when the military discipline has gone to poop
DarkSideOfLucca 04.25.19	Game of Thrones is lightyears better than TWD "Stannis did fuck all on the show. How much more interesting would the show really be if he was still on it? Is there something I'm missing about this guy? Bruh has a whole cult following while being one of the more boring characters on the series." Stannis is the one true king.
DDDeftoneDDD 04.25.19	Loool off course it is...just saying this last episodde reminded me of twd
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.25.19	What happened to the thousands of horses and men that deserted stannis ?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.25.19	Also varys has always sucked
Scheumke 04.25.19	Nah man you trippin. Varys is awesome
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.25.19	I mean he might be the best character with mutilated genitals but it's not very 'stiff' competition
anarchistfish 04.25.19	"Game of Thrones is lightyears better than TWD" no shit
BeyondCosby 04.25.19	I don't know why the Walking Dead gets so much shit. It's pretty close to the graphic novel, has some strong episodes and some weak ones, and has memorable characters. I'm watching both TWD and GoT side by side and, if anything, I would say Game of Thrones has fallen a little in quality just because some of the episodes feel like they're galloping towards the ending. I miss the character defining moments from the first couples seasons. The most recent episode was one of the best one they've ever written. I don't mean the most action packed, but just in terms of controlling all the characters. Each character had a moment, which will only elevate the impact of the next episode.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.25.19	Twd is utter garbage
Gyromania 04.25.19	the walking dead is hot fucking garbage. i enjoyed it for the first few seasons but holy shit did it ever go downhill after terminus.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.25.19	I dunno wasnt farm season like season 2 or 3? Cuz as far as I'm concerned once they got to the farm it became the worst show on television for a few seasons
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.25.19	It got slightly better again once Carol became hard af and then turned to shit once more when sur got soft again
Gyromania 04.25.19	i liked the farm because i enjoyed shane's character, even tho dale was just the fucking worst. i mean season 2 is where shit started going awry for sure though. so many plot holes and dumb fuck decisions, including from shane, who let hershel's son die so he could get away, even though i'm like 99.999999% sure they both could have easily made it.
BeyondCosby 04.25.19	Plot Holes? Lol I must have missed those. Just got to the part where Negan shows his business. As far as I'm concerned that half of the season leading up to the confrontation, and those two episodes where he makes examples of Rick's team, are some of the best. The show has some cheese I guess, but I don't follow the hate. In fact, watching it a second time I feel like I appreciate it more.
Kalopsia 04.25.19	season 1 is all you need as a decent little miniseries, just ignore the rest of TWD
Gyromania 04.25.19	the acting, set pieces, costume design, dialog, etc., have all taken a nosedive in later seasons. negan and his whole faction, and those cringey fucks the saviours were too much for me. i saw all the highlights of the last two seasons in a youtube recap video a few months ago and it really didn't look like i was missing anything, other than coral's death, which was a legitimate sad moment.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.25.19	Yeah basically terrible acting, terrible dialogue, terrible predictable writing, plus the fact that nothing happens ever.
Relinquished 04.25.19	lol coral
Eakflanderyof 04.25.19	How long can you watch some people in the woods or abandoned buildings avoiding zombies? I've watched a little but it just seems like something that would be impossible to keep refreshing
DoofDoof 04.25.19	TWD is the perfect guilty pleasure show, hard to hate but also - please no one take it seriously
Egarran 04.25.19	Very very easy to hate after season one, agreed.
Trebor. 04.25.19	"Baratheons and Greyjoys can all just fo in the books." da fuck. Victarion rules. And Aeron's sample champter for Winds is like top 10 overall chapter
DoofDoof 04.25.19	TWD is like a cheesy soap opera only when usually with such a show you think ‘damn that character is annoying I wish something would rip off their arm’ in TWD that actually happens. Pretty enjoyable if scarily un-de-mand-ing
WatchItExplode 04.25.19	Well, it's been years since I read them all, but I distinctly remember just wanting those chapters to end so I could get back to more interesting things.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.25.19	@doof dead fucking wrong, most easily hateable show I've ever seen. Could go on forever about everything shit about it but its tiresome. Easier to just talk about the good:
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.25.19	1) you dont have to watch it 2) it might end some day
Trebor. 04.25.19	To me Feast For Crows overall is super underrated. Much better on the second read. Still hate all the Dorne stuff though except the part with Darkstar
Pangea 04.25.19	Victarion is boring as hell. I don't think he has any interesting character traits
Trebor. 04.25.19	Dude got cucked by his brother and beat his wife to death with his bare hands. Also he has a demon arm. And I just love sea warfare/pirate shit
Pangea 04.25.19	Affc is a mess. Definitely some parts i liked about it but it's drags a lot and only a few character arcs reach a satisfying end to the book, they just kinda end
Pangea 04.25.19	@trebor yeah i get that. Not really things that personally interest me. All i could think while i read his chapter that he's just a dumb asshole
Deez 04.25.19	I had this morbid obsession with not stopping myself watching TWD even though I hated it until I finally stopped that bullshit. Its been dragging on for seasons of teh same shit. I did watch the episode where Rick died though for old times sake and that too was dogshit.
Trebor. 04.25.19	That's sort of the point given that every other POV character is reasonably intelligent. And yeah Affc sets up tons of shit that still hasn't been resolved 13 years later, but I'm super into theory shit which makes up for it. I can see why it was so disappointing at the time when you couldn't just jump right into Dance after
Gyromania 04.25.19	what? the dorne stuff is awesome in the books. it's a total joke in the show though. easily the worst plot line
Pangea 04.25.19	I did like the cercei chapters and she's a dumb asshole as well but her chapters atleast gave insight to her paranoia and that character insight is something i missed in the victarian chapters
Gyromania 04.25.19	"I had this morbid obsession with not stopping myself watching TWD even though I hated it until I finally stopped that bullshit." haha i remember talking about this with pots since we were essentially doing the same. watched way longer than i should have, but i can safely say i've been clean of the walking dead for 2 years now.
Trebor. 04.25.19	Dorne to me is just like "Hey it's me Doran, I might do something hehe, might not" and then Areo Hotah is like "hmm" and then Arienne says some annoying shit that I skip and then Arys gets his nut and then dies and then Arienne is in the tower and contemplating the universe and then that's it.
Gyromania 04.25.19	doran was a cool character and the way they portrayed him in the show is a joke and a half. same with euron
anarchistfish 04.25.19	first season of twd is only solid twd
anarchistfish 04.25.19	i still think most of the remaining issues with the tv show reside in the problems with enacting novels deliberately written as a fuck you to adaptation. i don't blame the chuckle brothers too much having created a media monster and then fallen off the edge when the hollywood calendar collided with uncle barny's. probably up there with breaking bad as my favourite tv show
WatchItExplode 04.25.19	I guess my main issue with GOT at this point is that it isn't extracted from the novel that will never come. Otherwise good on them to resolve things so we can all move on with our lives.
Deez 04.25.19	There was actually one season of FTWD that was better than about the last 5 seasons of TWD! the rest of that was turd too tho
anarchistfish 04.25.19	has anyone seen ozark i like ozark
Deez 04.25.19	I liked Ozark. Was pretty dark
anarchistfish 04.25.19	i like my vibes like i have my coffee
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.25.19	The dude from arrested development always made me not watch ozark
Deez 04.25.19	Yeah he plays the same kinda character in everything just some are comedy and some arent buy hes the same guy haha
anarchistfish 04.26.19	The 2nd season went a bit funny in terms of plot and pacing towards the end
WatchItExplode 04.26.19	I fell off Ozark hard but it had a lot if good things happening.
JeetJeet 04.26.19	Ozark was a bootleg ass Breaking Bad but it had some decent parts to it. Any of yall fuck with the show Hannibal? I'm currently finishing s3 and its so absurdly awesome.
trilo 04.26.19	Hannibal put me to sleep tbh Ozark is alright but feels like it tries way too hard to be dark. Also the fucking blue filter
BeyondCosby 04.26.19	But really, how many of ya'll watch The Venture Brothers?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.26.19	Hannibal was good but I just kind of stopped watching a couple eps into season 3. Venture bros also rules.
Deez 04.26.19	Hannibal was a bit samey even though I enjoyed the first season but the following 2 seasons where absolutely phenomenal
Gyromania 04.26.19	I thought season 3 of Hannibal was kinda w.e. If you'd already watched red dragon there wasn't much of a point. Mads is the best thing about Hannibal and he takes a backseat in that season. The ending was clearly rushed too. Season 2 is for sure the best.
Egarran 04.26.19	Just started Black Mirror. Damn that 15 Million Merits is depressive. Maniac, couldn't finish it, Mr. Robot, ditto, The Haunting, ditto, basically I'm only up to date on GoT.
DoofDoof 04.26.19	Mads was better than Anthony Hopkins in the role imo - so for that reason alone Hannibal was an essential
JeetJeet 04.26.19	Season 3 of Hannibal got really fuckin weird in the middle episodes and that's where all the fun is.
JeetJeet 04.26.19	Egarran you should definitely finish Mr. Robot.
WatchItExplode 04.26.19	I couldn't make it through a single episode of Maniac and I wanted to like it. The Haunting of Hill House was incredible through.
Gyromania 04.26.19	doof: agreed, mads is the perfect hannibal. haunting of hill house was fantastic for like 4 or 5 episodes but fuck me it got bad. the ending was so shit tbh
Deez 04.26.19	[2]
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.26.19	Maniac was decent, couldn’t finish haunting of hill house, thought it was retarded and all the actors were just the worst ever
anarchistfish 04.26.19	i never thought i'd say something is too dark but black mirror is just too real
anarchistfish 04.26.19	mr robot is kinda boring maybe should check out hannibal...once i finally watch the wire
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.26.19	I watched and enjoyed s1 of the wire and then season 2 was about white construction fucks and I stopped forever
DamnVanne 04.26.19	Every season of the wire is dope. Even season 5 which was wholly unnecessary
BeyondCosby 04.26.19	Pots you have a weird opinion on what constitutes as the worst actors ever haha. I enjoyed Maniac. I think it needed to be reigned in at points but the ending was pretty great.
trilo 04.26.19	the wire is amazing through and through yea
DoofDoof 04.26.19	Season 5 of The Wire is really good - for some reason I'd left that season and only bothered watching it a few months ago. Probably stronger than Season 2 and Season 4.
anarchistfish 04.26.19	i just need to find good subtitles cos they might as well be speaking haitian creole with all the mumbling
trilo 04.26.19	i wouldnt say better than s2 and s4 but s5 is great even just for the lie detector scene alone
DoofDoof 04.26.19	The Wire you just need to adapt to all the lingos - the gangs, the po-lice, the courts, the politicians, the dockers...never had too much of a problem with it toughest dialogue is probably Deadwood, because they don't talk naturally - it's more like Shakespeare. No one IRL has ever spoken like the actors do in that show...and yet, the best scripts ever, hands down. also arguably the greatest TV show of all time
DoofDoof 04.26.19	trilo - also that lift journey and the line 'to be continued' by Daniels was just perfect
Egarran 04.26.19	To nobody's surprise I liked all of Twin Peaks. BB and Better Call Saul are also very good. Thanks to the little lady, we watch Robin Hood, series from 1984, for nostalgic reasons. It's actually pretty good, almost like a low budget GoT sometimes.
Source 04.26.19	I like 24
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.26.19	Twin Peaks is the greatest show of all time obvs. The Return was even better than the original. The British show Utopia is probably my second favorite show ever
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.26.19	Legion and American Gods are great, Fargo is great
Deez 04.26.19	I STILL havent watched Twin Peaks. : /
DoofDoof 04.26.19	Utopia chased its own tail a bit too much by season 2 but I still liked it a lot. Twin Peaks is up there, do prefer the original to the return but it's a closer call than I expected before it came out. American Gods doesn't quite work for me, but then the novel wasn't 100% my favourite either. The lead character is intentionally a bit of a blank plank (same as the novel to be fair) and that doesn't help. All the style choices are good, I'll give it that. Biggest surprise recently is that Man in the High Castle is now easily better than The PKD book it's based on and also better than the more popular Handmaid's Tale (both dystopian and always come out about the same time, hence the comparison). Getting better and better that one.
trilo 04.26.19	can't get into twin peaks but i also don't really care for david lynch so all 3 seasons of fargo slap though. can't wait for the 4th
Valkoor952 04.26.19	Fargo is amazing. Season 1 is phenomenal.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.26.19	Season 3 of Fargo turned out to be my fav tbh but the Twin Peaks worship helped
DoofDoof 04.26.19	I need to start Fargo
JeetJeet 04.26.19	Yea s3 of Fargo was incredible, and had one of the most disgusting villains I've ever seen with Varga. I fuckin love Legion too, maybe even more than Fargo. Noah Hawley is on another level right now.
anarchistfish 04.26.19	sorry but s1 Fargo and Malvo they won't ever top
DoofDoof 04.26.19	anyone else still following Preston's reviews of GoT? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZfn-DZWmt4
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.26.19	@fish sorry they already did
Valkoor952 04.26.19	"sorry but s1 Fargo and Malvo they won't ever top" agree tbh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.26.19	SORRY
trilo 04.26.19	agree malvo is king also i have not checked out legion. do you need to give a shit about marvel? or is it good standalone
anarchistfish 04.26.19	every season of fargo > westworld s2
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.26.19	"do you need to give a shit about marvel?" absolutely not. in fact you can entirely forget that it has anything to do with marvel if you like.
trilo 04.26.19	ok perfect. i'm gonna check it out today
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.26.19	you wont regret it
EoinCofa 04.26.19	Yara’s my Queen
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.26.19	ew
EoinCofa 04.26.19	Hahaha
Rowan5215 04.26.19	American Gods has turned out hella disappointing for one of the best book-to-screen casts I've ever seen. Once Fuller and Anderson left I was like yeah nah
JeetJeet 04.26.19	Fargo s1 was instantly topped as soon as s2 came out.
Rowan5215 04.26.19	sad to say cos that book was a gateway drug into darker fantasy and mythology shit when I was younger and I owe a lot of my taste to it but they could never do justice on fucking Starz
JeetJeet 04.26.19	American Gods s1 was great. Season 2 however.....yeeeesh.
Egarran 04.26.19	Saw 5 eps of Love, Death and Robots. I really want it to be great, but it never quite gets there.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.26.19	@rowan i havent seen any of season 2 yet so thats sad to hear but season 1 american gods was awesome
zaruyache 04.26.19	I didn't even know the second season had started airing yet. With that big delay between them I kinda don't care anymore even tho the first season was rly good.
artiswar 04.26.19	Haven't watched S2 but if it's worse than S1, yeeeesh...
Gyromania 04.27.19	Pots American Gods is pretty shite tbh. I enjoyed season 1 a decent bit (except Laura Moon, fuck that annoying bitch) but season 2 seems to have lost all the magic. I'm only on episode 5 atm but feeling pretty disappointed. Also it's cliche to say but the book is just so much better.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.27.19	well Bryan Fuller left so I don't find that very surprising. might just not ever watch season 2, like i did with True Detective, savour the good flavour i still have in my mouth.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.27.19	I just finished watching season 2 of The OA, dunno if anyone here watched that show... season 1 made me want to put a brick through a wall it was so retarded season 2 was still pretty dumb but the twin peaks and house of leaves inspiration/plagiarism was apparent enough to make it a lot more enjoyable than season 1
polyrhythm 04.27.19	Hannibal, Mr Robot, and Deadwood are all gorgeous
polyrhythm 04.27.19	Went for a couple ‘lighter’ shows recently (Marvellous Mrs Maisel and Gravity Falls) and they were both excellent
polyrhythm 04.27.19	p.s. how about that Deadwood movie trailer holy shit
artiswar 04.27.19	Treb I agree Feast is massively underrated. Brienne's last chapter where she's swinging in and out of conciousness is like the best G.R.R.M writing ever. It's an absolutely brilliant book, if you didn't like it get literate :P
Gyromania 04.27.19	Also gotta second Utopia. It's amazing, you guys should check it out
artiswar 04.27.19	wait who the fuck is utopia???
JeetJeet 04.27.19	Utopia is one of the best and most underrated shows ever.
anarchistfish 04.27.19	i only saw s1 utopia
polyrhythm 04.27.19	Feast and Dance have better prose than the first three books, but they’re also rambling and slow and pretty fucken boring tbh
Rowan5215 04.27.19	"@rowan i havent seen any of season 2 yet so thats sad to hear but season 1 american gods was awesome" bruh I haven't even seen any of s2 tbh. 1 was the most enjoyable show while I was watching each episode, and then after it ended I thought back on em and realised the writing kind of sucked a lot even if the acting and visuals were usually good. can't even imagine how much of a mess it must be with Fuller leaving and going through like three different showrunners for s2 lmao on that subject s2 of Legion was fucking wack. assassinated or misused every good character from the first season and just completely got lost in the sauce. around the time there was that episode with a dozen different Davids for absolutely no fucking reason I got sick of that shit, I hope Hawley's not going off the rails
Rowan5215 04.27.19	"Went for a couple ‘lighter’ shows recently (Marvellous Mrs Maisel and Gravity Falls) and they were both excellent" Gravity Falls a modern classic I'm just gonna put that out there. best week-to-week watching experience I've had bar The Return probably
polyrhythm 04.27.19	GF = Twin Peaks for babies in a good way
artiswar 04.27.19	that scene where arya is throwing the daggers is the cringiest shit ever
Rowan5215 04.27.19	@poly it has a big mystery element and a lot of humour that goes over kids' heads!
polyrhythm 04.27.19	Ducktective spinoff when
dimsim3478 04.27.19	it kills me that Gravity Falls was as short was it was. i probably think about that travesty once a month Star vs the Forces of Evil kinda filled some of the void left by GF with its light-hearted, silly humour but they're obviously not on the same level (gotta agree with Rowbro's assessment of "modern classic" for GF)
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.27.19	Haven’t seen s2 of legion yet either. Is gravity falls actually good ? Looked wack
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.27.19	S1 of Happy! Was awesome
anarchistfish 04.27.19	"that scene where arya is throwing the daggers is the cringiest shit ever" most arya scenes are kinda cringe tbh since like her gap year in bravos anyway
JeetJeet 04.27.19	S2 of Legion was fire wtf
Deez 04.27.19	I liked it. Was absolutely mental.
polyrhythm 04.27.19	Gravity Falls tells such a good story in the 2 seasons it had. Really beautiful arc, wrapped up neat with a bow. I feel like anything more would undo that bow, ya feel
DoofDoof 04.27.19	F”ck the bow?
JeetJeet 04.27.19	I'm just now finding out about Gravity Falls and its kinda cool how its really just Twin Peaks for kids.
Gyromania 04.28.19	i must be the only person who doesn't really like gravity falls
trilo 04.28.19	just watched the pilot for legion dude the visuals are insane
Rowan5215 04.28.19	"Haven’t seen s2 of legion yet either. Is gravity falls actually good ? Looked wack" GF is fantastic. not sure if I would even like it that much now tho, was all about tuning in week by week, searching for all the hidden codes trying to decipher shit. one of the most fun experiences I had as part of a community (me + a couple of uni friends) Legion 2 was fucking trash. one of the worst finales I've ever ever seen
Wubs 04.28.19	Having to 'build up' anything implies filler
zaruyache 04.28.19	delaying builds tension, building up doesn't mean filler.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.28.19	Filler is the opposite of build up, its suspension of any sort of progression for the sake of stalling
Gyromania 04.28.19	how fucking pumped are you guys for tomorrow's episode!? hopefully something happens this time.
zaruyache 04.28.19	night king just does a drive-by on king's landing bc rn an ice dragon would be too OP for the white walkers, so he has to go somewhere else.
anarchistfish 04.28.19	was clear fan service more than pure filler. gotta have fan service in your blockbuster nerd franchises now
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.28.19	Pretty amazing that they managed to shorten the final season to 6 measly episodes and still cant fill the lot with necessary material. Let's see if they can even fill 4.
DoofDoof 04.28.19	Watched these two first eps again and they were better the second time through tbh One season (was it 6?) they went really fast through everything and most conversations were necessary exposition and everyone complained about that saying 'too fast and unrealistic' so I thought the approach taken this season is better so far. The rescue of Yara was shoehorned in a bit was my main complaint in terms of something jarring. The Arya stuff is clearly trying to get her back to resembling some sort of human, it's alright, a bit forced sure - didn't bother me too much. Everything else was pretty much gold, solid set up for new week's hour long 'survival horror' (director's description) battle scene.
DoofDoof 04.28.19	Definitely the Tyrion stuff is making a bit more sense with a rewatch - he clearly purposefully lied to get Dany oop north. Probably came to a deal with Cersei saying 'in the interest of both of us you should lie to Dany - she could easily defeat you, she will go north if you promise her a truce'. They never showed the end of their conversation in that scene. Dany when angry at Tyrion for the Lannister army no show says 'you're either a fool or you committed treason' and Tyrion quick as anything says he's a fool. He knows he's committed treason, blatant lie. So he's still being as smart as the situation allows.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.28.19	Show has the depth of a petri dish at this point so I doubt your analysis was worth the struggle to watch these 2 episodes twice
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.28.19	The real question is.. Will the power of FRIENDSHIP, FAMILY, AND FORGIVENESS be enough to stop the EVIL SNOW ZOMBIES?
Egarran 04.28.19	Show hasn't really done that 'Plot twist: The conversation was actually longer!' thing. I think.
anarchistfish 04.28.19	"Probably came to a deal with Cersei saying 'in the interest of both of us you should lie to Dany - she could easily defeat you, she will go north if you promise her a truce'. They never showed the end of their conversation in that scene." after having spent a season convincing everyone to kidnap a zombie for the purposes of securing this truce?
DoofDoof 04.28.19	yeah, it was Plan B, she refused to make peace/asked what's in it for her - so 'ok Cersei's even more crazy than I remember - damage limitation, save my skin, strike a fake deal to make sure Dany still fights the dead/doesn't annihilate a whole city' The battle scene where the Lannister's were scorched by the dragon you can see Tyrion is uncomfortable with that - he might not mind Cersei being scorched but he doesn't want that for Bronn/Jaime/'his people'/the city as a whole He also believes the dead need defeating above anything - Jon has Tyrion 100% convinced on that.
DoofDoof 04.28.19	He knows he's committed treason. It'll probably come out somehow, Dany is gonna burn one beloved 'good guy' character alive - place your bets.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.28.19	Its funny how GoT's fangirls stan Dany like this empowered heroine when she's literally a villain.
DoofDoof 04.28.19	Also Melisandre is def in that castle in disguise - only non-usual cast character given any lines...the little girl with the scar who is going to the crypt. Characters who Melisandre said she’d see again before she would die in Westeros? Arya and Varys...both shown to be in the crypt during the battle. She’ll need to stop the Night King turning Little Sam’s eyes blue - he’s going for LS, we all know it. The ‘you’ll all be safe in the’ crypts are going to be the least safe place in Westeros ep 3 - guaranteed.
Egarran 04.28.19	I've put a 100 quid on those crypts being safe. I have to wait til monday evening, but it sure is tempting to accidentally start streaming late tonight. See you on the other side.
DoofDoof 04.28.19	See you on the other side brother And so my sleep begins - I’ll know if any of my lousy predictions were correct in 22 hours time
rockandmetaljunkie 04.29.19	possible leak and the outcome of the battle of e3 https://naijal.com/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-3-manuscripts-spoiler-tormund-survives/
rockandmetaljunkie 04.29.19	if that leak is genuine, none of the major characters die in today's episode, which is kinda weak, imo
Dewinged 04.29.19	Well, that was some next level fucking shit. 🔥
artiswar 04.29.19	Me spraying you with liquid feces is a possible outcome of E3
Wildcardbitchesss 04.29.19	Eh there’s still three more episodes. And we lost Theon and Jorah : (
EoinCofa 04.29.19	Yep @dewinged
rockandmetaljunkie 04.29.19	Weak ending, imo
rockandmetaljunkie 04.29.19	So many people lived, kinda disappointing tbh
rockandmetaljunkie 04.29.19	And if that's how the white walkers story ends, it's also kinda disappointing
Gyromania 04.29.19	Awesome episode, infinitely better than the preceding 2
Pheromone 04.29.19	The main character shield has really killed all the tension the show used to do so well. The score was honestly beautiful though. This season kinda blows
Gyromania 04.29.19	It's not the end though, lots of people can and probably will die in King's Landing. White walkers weren't especially good bad guys I don't think the ending is that bad. Arya killing the Night King was a bit wtf but I mean who was really a good candidate to kill him? Does it really matter?
JeetJeet 04.29.19	I feel some kind of way about my nigga Night King dying, but that episode was intense.
Rolling Girl 04.29.19	My boy Theon!!!! D: That was the best I could ask of him
trilo 04.29.19	that episode was honestly pretty terrible
Gyromania 04.29.19	I thought the cinematography and ost were awesome
JeetJeet 04.29.19	There were so many fucking times that useless ass Sam should have died, and somehow he stayed alive. I dont give a fuck what anyone says...that is TERRIBLE writing.
trilo 04.29.19	ost was good but the cinematography is the biggest reason why i hated it. excessive quick and blurry jump cuts at every turn, tons of close-ups with zero detail, weak fight choreography and it was so dark you couldn't see shit half the time. i know the point is it's supposed to be dark and disorienting but they've done both dark and disorienting better in previous battles. i will say watching the dothraki's fires go out was pretty sick writing wise tons of characters had plot armor and deus ex machina out the wazoo. and i mean the fact the white walkers just... end there is very disappointing. yeah the show is about the characters and politics but 8 seasons of build up for it all to end like that? disappointing
zaruyache 04.29.19	sam can't die he's azor ahai
BallsToTheWall 04.29.19	My homie Beric went out a hero. Gonna be him for Halloween in tribute.
zaruyache 04.29.19	the rest of the walkers dying with the king was a letdown. Would've been nice if there were some people left alive when she killed him, so that they could just run in with dragonglass and slice the rest of the up in a real victory against them.
JeetJeet 04.29.19	"sam can't die he's azor ahai" WHO?!?!???
EoinCofa 04.29.19	Glad Arya got to kill Darth Maul tho
Gyromania 04.29.19	I mean what ending would have satisfied you guys? Everyone dies and the show ends 3 episodes premature? To have the battle extend a whole other episode? And yeah they use shakey cam but they always have, still though some of those shots and set pieces were superb. And ofc there's gonna be some plot armour; if main characters keep dropping like flies then it really isn't subverting expectations, is it? At this point there's so few of them left that if you kill off too many there won't even be a show.
Wildcardbitchesss 04.29.19	[2] Agreed completely gyro, though Sam absolutley shoudlve died ten times over
zaruyache 04.29.19	few people dying in the crypts was kinda ridic tho
MO 04.29.19	Shouldn't have been Arya that was stupid. How did she make it past all the wights and the night Kings second in commands that easily when she could barely sneak through a library earlier. I dunno man that was a bit shit. Rest of the episode was good
trilo 04.29.19	they don't need to kill off every main character but you'd think the biggest battle in the show so far against the arbiters of friggin' human extinction would kill off more important characters than jorah and theon. for a show whose first scene sets the white walkers up as the big bad villain they sure didn't seem like it.
Gyromania 04.29.19	Barely sneak through a library? She ghosted her way through there wtf are you talking about? Rounded a corner and ran right into a wight and dispatched of it instantly too. She def has the skills to move quietly, that's like her whole arc, albeit the bravos shit was pretty mediocre.
Faraudo 04.29.19	Loved the episode.
trilo 04.29.19	my impression re: arya was she took the face of a white walker rather than just strolled (or sneaked) right through.
Faraudo 04.29.19	The fight for the iron throne has always been the main thing, so I understand perfectly the decisions they made with the episode. Brienne, Greyworm and Podrick should've died tho.
Rolling Girl 04.29.19	Thought for sure Grey Worm would die Would be ok if Pod or Sam died. Would not have been surprised if Brienne or Tormund died. I thought Ayra killing the Night King was great and unexpected. My friend and I were arguing about whether or not this would make a better finale for the show. They felt that the White Walkers were the bigger, more important threat and that now all the fighting is going to be more petty and lower stakes. Which I don't disagree with. But my argument is that the White Walkers aren't as significant character wise. Dying to them would be like dying in a raging fire, they are dangerous just because they are. And now the fights are going to be more personal and passionate. With much more emotion these interactions are going to be much more important to the characters themselves. Episode was fucking fantastic.
zaruyache 04.29.19	that's what i was guessing she was going to do, but there was no on-screen reference to her having that power. Assumed there'd be a shot of her eyes flashing blue or something, but nope. Would've been great if when the Night King is about to pull his sword, the camera moves aside and you see another walker standing right behind him--he turns and it's suddenly Arya there who stabs him. the other walkers are also slumped on the ground dead or shattering(?). much better end for him.
Faraudo 04.29.19	And what happened with Arya wasn't a "deus ex machina." It was hinted several seasons ago. And let's be real, Arya is probably the most capable warrior in the entire show, she busted her ass training.
Deez 04.29.19	Would have liked to have see Ayra was stood with the Wights then you see shes wearing one of their faces or some shit even though technically they dont have faces haha I dunno that kinda come from nowhere defied all logic. I enjoyed it all. Wasnt blown away though.
JeetJeet 04.29.19	All I know is that Dany is ending up on that throne. And shes gonna kill Jon for it.
Dewinged 04.29.19	Not enough people died... Lol Dudes, the whole Dothraki army and maybe 80% of the Unsullied ditched it. Dragonmum is fucked.
Deez 04.29.19	hahah yeah LOADS died
wwf 04.29.19	I didn't outright hate this most recent episode, I thought the execution was very sloppy but some of the ideas were solid But I think the fact that it has a 9.9 on IMDb right now is the perfect example of why IMDb ratings for TV shows are so goddamn stupid and a perfect example that most people r dumb and why democracy is a failed experiment
wwf 04.29.19	he's talking main characters though. they really wanted it to seem like all hope was completely lost but they didn't have the balls to kill any major characters off
wwf 04.29.19	like look at this list, only two of them died lmao https://i.redd.it/y1e4nuzbw2u21.jpg
Deez 04.29.19	Red lady, Jorah, Ed, Beric, Theon, The fucking Knight King is a pretty good slaying for me.
Slex 04.29.19	Jorah broke my heart Very mixed feelings on the episode tho, I dunno
trilo 04.29.19	honestly even if they didn't have the sack to kill off more main characters the very least they could do is not load the episode up with a bunch of cheap deus ex machina. that shit is so lame and deflates any sort of tension when you know they're going to be saved last second
Deez 04.29.19	Yeah Dany could of at least give him a quick kiss or touch his balls or soemthing before he died. Jesus
wwf 04.29.19	fwiw I really thought they were gonna lose for a moment. dany landing her dragon on the battlefield was stupid as fuck and contrived as hell but other than that they seemed solidly fucked but apparently like forty named characters were holding off like 100 zombies each for like ten minutes while the night king took his sweet ass time trying to kill bran
Deez 04.29.19	Also having like 10 people protecting Bran from a damn Night King was really bad planning
trilo 04.29.19	sacrificing all the dothraki at the start prolly wasn't very smart either
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	Arya for first 2 episodes: "its really important that u make me this spear" Spear: *breaks in 10 seconds*
WatchItExplode 04.29.19	I loved everything except for the fact that neither sansa or tyrion bothered to stab the single dude in the face
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	Or was it supposed to be some kind of twist off lol
WatchItExplode 04.29.19	And also like why the f***'s was Arya randomly by herself all the sudden
Trundle 04.29.19	anyone else find it odd that they just sent the dothraki riders in to get slaughtered at the beginning? like you know the night king is just gonna resurrect them why not save them after the white walkers charge and flank them?
Faraudo 04.29.19	I think that the whole dothraki thing was just to set an eerie/terrifying tone. Melisandre gave them some kickass blades, just to get killed moments later. I loved the visual imagery and the effect it had on a thematic level.
trilo 04.29.19	it was dumb as hell strategically. basically just there for cool cinematography and to show how fucked winterfell is. this show has always had questionable strategical shit tho nothing new
Skoop 04.29.19	I love it when it looks like a character is in potential trouble and then you just erase said tension by cutting away to another scene.
Skoop 04.29.19	Also I'm to the point where I'm cheering for characters to die. It was nice for them to build a jenga tower of stakes for a couple seasons just to see it crumble underneath zombie nonsense.
Larkinhill 04.29.19	I don’t understand the complaints, that was fucking incredible. Y’all way too picky. Expectations were sky high and they somehow managed to exceed them. Really curious how this proceeds now.
JeetJeet 04.29.19	They're valid complaints tho. Pointing out bad writing isnt being picky.
Larkinhill 04.29.19	True true. I like the discussion as well, I just mostly disagree with some of the points. All good though. I guess now it’s Winterfell et al vs Cersei/King’s Landing.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	I liked the part where the small child dies
twlight 04.29.19	I liked the episode, but it was disappointing how hard it was to see anything during most of the battle. Everything was so hazy and the Shakey cam got really annoying.
hal1ax 04.29.19	yea i feel the same way. super murky visually.. lot of what was going on was really obfuscated for me. maybe my eyes suck tho idk
hal1ax 04.29.19	and ya i thought more would die for sure... lame
unclereich 04.29.19	Idk man that episode wasnt great. But maybe bran and knight king have something more to offer because that all seemed too simple. Didnt love it
Trebor. 04.29.19	Hope that's not the end of the night king otherwise talk about an anticlimax We're seriously supposed to be OK with Cersei being the final boss
RadicalEd 04.29.19	Man o Man what the fuck did I just watch. Why was this just shaky cams and blackscreen for the first half of the episode. What was even happening. The scope of the battle was also really confusing. Why is Arya just sneaking thru parts of the castle with clegane and the hound for 10 minutes, isn't there a battle raging through the whole castle? This was just a clusterfuck of things that didn't make sense at all. What was that strategy with the dothraki? Haven't we been told for 7 seasons how fucking powerful the dothraki are and then we are just throwing them away. And Jora makes it out alive. Why isn't he dead? Oh so he can have death scene with daenerys, ok.Why are they meeting the dead outside of the walls anyway? Where is Mellisandre even coming from, how did she appear out of nothing in the right moment? Why does Sam get like 9 death-scenes and doesn't die? How many times were the Unsullied literally wiped out and Greyworm was summoning new Unsullied for some purpose. What was even happening. How is John surviving the scene where the Night king raised all the dead. He was in the center of the army for like a whole minute. Omg. HOW the FUCK is Jora able to protect Daenerys, HOW did he get there. The writing also wtf. What was that "Not Today" scene, where she just runs off screen after the callback to the first season.
RadicalEd 04.29.19	Also why did daenerys LAND her dragon. Like this is not funny. She's almost lost a dragon to fucking Zerglings, because she needed to speak two lines to John? What.
Trebor. 04.29.19	I feel like half the time the dragons were just conveniently not around and it made no sense It's been going downhill for years but they've finally completely given up on logic and continuity Why da fuck is davos still alive he has nothing to do. They make him mad still at mel I guess? even though like why would he care at this point when they're facing the embodiment of death Also crypt zombies was the most obvious thing ever. And can't stand that trope of oh if you kill the leader they all just die
RadicalEd 04.29.19	The one thing I'll say, The cast did their best with what they got. Tyrion and Sansa were the only decent thing about the episode. They really sold that scene in the krypt where they hide behind the grave.
Trebor. 04.29.19	Imagine making the biggest battle scene in TV history and the most memorable part is two characters in a room talking
RadicalEd 04.29.19	Nah, that scene where they just threw away the dothraki army for absolutely no reason or gain was more memorable too me. Or the scene where a mythical dragon almost gets killed by Zerglings.
Firedust 04.29.19	Yeah, I don't understand why people still bother with this show lol
Trebor. 04.29.19	If I wasn't invested in the books I would have stopped. I'm just hurting myself at this point
Firedust 04.29.19	Exactly. The books are so much better. This is the equivalent of rotten fodder for the numb-minded.
unclereich 04.29.19	I started watching this as a 17 year old, im 25 now i have no choice but to finish. Though its painful, maybe just maybe the 2nd half of this season is better but i really feel like i already can predict what will happen
TheSpirit 04.29.19	That episode was terrible lol
RadicalEd 04.29.19	"I started watching this as a 17 year old, im 25 now i have no choice but to finish. Though its painful, maybe just maybe the 2nd half of this season is better but i really feel like i already can predict what will happen" same here.
Trebor. 04.29.19	I know it was like 2-3 seasons ago but I still can't get over that someone invented the wheelchair off screen Did someone invent it while Bran was gone, or did someone straight up invent and build it in like a day after Bran came back
dimsim3478 04.29.19	i reckon someone “invented” it for him when he got back. tbh i dont find it at all implausible that someone could come up with a chair with wheels with relatively short notice. they have carts and shit so like is it so ingenious to think “why dont we put wheels on a chair?” “I started watching this as a 17 year old, im 25 now” started at 13, now im 21. wouldnt call it painful, but not rlly that enjoyable either. it does feel a lot like im just seein thru my time investment, gettin by on my fond memories of those early seasons.
Dewinged 04.29.19	Idk man, I had a lot of fun with this episode.
TheWhiteWolf9981 04.29.19	Some awful opinions in this thread. Just stick to critiquing music. Join the pile of whiny bitches crying that they had their theories destroyed when the show is Game of Thrones not Game of White Walkers, the politics were always the focal point. Bye.
Valkoor952 04.29.19	What a legitimate piece of shit ending in this episode lol
RadicalEd 04.29.19	Game of Thrones is almost approaching Mass Effect 3 levels of jumping the shark with these final seasons. And this episode. It had sooooooo many holes, we were bordering on incoherence at times.
InFlamesWeThrash666 04.29.19	"Shouldn't have been Arya that was stupid. How did she make it past all the wights and the night Kings second in commands that easily when she could barely sneak through a library earlier. I dunno man that was a bit shit. Rest of the episode was good" the Red Witch told her about killing brown eyes,green eyes *pause* and also blue I think in the next couple of episodes they might show that Arya dressed as a whitewalker to kill the night king. edit: actually she'd need the face of a whitewalker to do that nevermind
TheWhiteWolf9981 04.29.19	Nah, this whinging is getting boring. King's Landing burns and Tyrion gets executed. Go fuck yourselves. r/freefolk says hi
rockandmetaljunkie 04.29.19	Nevermind how stupid this episode looked, i'm just glad all those stupid fan theories that were building up for the last couple of years, were flushed in the toilet in two seconds.
Papa Universe 04.29.19	all I'm gonna say is that my vicarious need for destruction demanded more deaths. Tormund, Podrick and at least one of the Starks.
anarchistfish 04.29.19	clearly jon has no dragonglass shurikens
TheSpirit 04.29.19	"Game of Thrones not Game of White Walkers, the politics were always the focal point. Bye." this is untrue.... if anything the "game of thrones" part of the show has always felt like something that would come second fiddle of the fight against the night king.
dimsim3478 04.29.19	sooooo initially i thought the arya ending was stupid and poorly set up. like the library scene is obviously just there to remind you that arya's sneaky, and there was a scene in one of the previous episodes this season where she sneaks up on jon and he's like "how'd u do that?" but seems like arya ties into melisandre's arc and the whole azor ahai/prince(ss) that was promised thing fairly well, or at least provides a decently set-up surprise in contrast to the obvious picks (jon and dany). the thing melisandre says about the purpose of beric being brought back to save arya, and that beric seems to have been brought back by melisandre's god, and that the "promised" prophecy has been part of melisandre's story since she was introduced (and it was brought up again with the "princess" addendum last season) forms a decent basis for contending that arya is the "princess that was promised".
TecumsehGargoyle 04.29.19	why didn't they just put a bunch of dothraki archers with obsidian-tipped arrows on a dragon and tell them to shoot the night man why did dany even go north
Gyromania 04.29.19	lol why are people acting like the night king was a good villain? he's always been one-dimensional. i'm pissed at some of their decisions, like the way they killed little finger, but who gives a dusty fuck about the night king. it would have been cool if they had more backstory than just "we're the bad guys for the sake of it" but the politics have always been the central focus of the show. i don't know how they could have ended it better tbh. a huge sword duel between him and jon? idk. i think people have these retarded theories and they're upset because they didn't come to fruition.
EoinCofa 04.29.19	I thought death of little finger was great^
polyrhythm 04.29.19	People complaining about the NK ding before we learn his origin/motivations: we were already told. He was the first in an army of super soldiers made by the COTF to kill humans, and they lost control of them. Like AI gone bad. If you think that’s too simple, too straightforwardly evil, do you really think it will be any different in the books? That they are an intelligent race with tax policies and a stake in the House Rosby claim? The fight against the White Walkers was never political, it was always the living vs. the dead. Now that threat has been diffused, the show can get back to the politics and the struggle for the Iron Throne.
polyrhythm 04.29.19	The episode had spectacle galore and lots of cool moments, but plenty of cheese/convenience/plot armor also. Probably a 7.5/10
RadicalEd 04.29.19	"i think people have these retarded theories and they're upset because they didn't come to fruition." nah I'm not mad about Arya killing him, although I think it's clear that they pissed away the whole Lord of Light thing. They always hinted at the Lord of Light part being important in the grand scheme of universe, but since the 5th season it's just been a deus-ex-plot device whenever they needed one. And it IS disappointing that the biggest battle in the history of the universe is not being decided by some strategem, some best laid trap for the night king or even by some epic feat of heroism, or (and that would be way lamer, but still better than what we got) by some foreshadowed and predestined act of fate. No, it get's decided by Arya beeing able to somehow teleport through the army of the dead and past the White Walkers, when we specifically had a scene earlier in the Episode, which made it clear that it's pretty hard to sneak past even a moderate amout of the Undead. But tbh I agree that the white walker story line and the Night King have always been the least interesting thing about the show and I can live with his demise being kinda stupid. But I can't pretend to be satisfied with how confusingly shot, edited and thought out this Battle has been. Remember the Blackwater Siege? How every little piece of the chessboard was carefully laid out in advance and we saw it all pay off in a single climactic episode? (and with a way smaller budget i may add) Now the things that have been set up for seven seasons like the strenght of the dothraki and unsullied are completley meaningless. Major mistakes don't end characters life, just so they can have a nonesensical death scene 20 minutes later. (Jora charging with the dothraki?)
unclereich 04.29.19	i can't pretend to like the outcome of the episode, idk what i was looking for or wanted but i know it wasn't that
dimsim3478 04.29.19	"And it IS disappointing that the biggest battle in the history of the universe is not being decided by some strategem, some best laid trap for the night king or even by some epic feat of heroism, or (and that would be way lamer, but still better than what we got) by some foreshadowed and predestined act of fate." i felt this way too at first but a few posts up, i talked a bit about how maybe arya killing the night king ties into the "prince(ss) that was promised" thing, and by extension, melisandre and beric's entire arcs. obviously they didnt confirm it in the episode, but the theory gives me a little bit of solace, like arya comin out of nowhere and resolving this giant threat wasnt actually a deus ex machina at all.
trilo 04.29.19	"The fight against the White Walkers was never political, it was always the living vs. the dead. Now that threat has been diffused, the show can get back to the politics and the struggle for the Iron Throne." the way you say this makes it sound like the white walkers storyline was just a roadblock and basically not important at all
polyrhythm 04.29.19	Not a roadblock, but definitely secondary to the political side of the show. If the fight for the Throne got cast aside to fight ice zombies, it would just become any old apocalyptic fantasy story. Of course the white walker storyline will have massive consequences for how the fight for the throne plays out now (the northern army being decimated and all), but the throne was always the crux of the story. It is Game of Thrones, not Game of Finnish Death Metal Ice Zombies
Gyromania 04.29.19	"nah I'm not mad about Arya killing him, although I think it's clear that they pissed away the whole Lord of Light thing. They always hinted at the Lord of Light part being important in the grand scheme of universe, but since the 5th season it's just been a deus-ex-plot device whenever they needed one". this makes me think you don't know the actual lord of light plot. the prophecy was for azor ahai to strike down the night king... that is who arya is, that IS the prophecy fulfilled. and yeah basically everything poly said. people acting like it was a disappointing ending meanwhile the night king and his army have always been one dimensional bad guys. it's a subplot.
trilo 04.29.19	fwiw i'm with you that the white walkers are less interesting but "the northern army being decimated and all" this is what i think the payoff should be yet i'll be surprised if it actually is. how do they recover from this and take on king's landing? just seems like we're about to get some kind of lame resolution to their entire army being obliterated since we only have 3 episodes left.
Gyromania 04.29.19	^ can't be lamer than euron and his men building 1000 ships to polished perfection in the span of a few months.
hal1ax 04.29.19	Agree with Ed. Feels like they squandered / mishandled the lord of light dimension. Hopefully it ends up being more purposive in the books.
Kalopsia 04.29.19	i just hope there's something... anything... more to the Night King's demise. i agree they were mostly boring as this "absolute evil", but for that storyline to be completely wrapped up in one episode feels really anticlimactic considering the series first scene was literally setting up the White Walkers. like seriously, if you remove this episode completely from canon and just moved forward.. nothing would be different. all that time spent on dragon glass ultimately resulted in nothing. all that time spent on the night king and his generals and what their ultimate goal was resulted in nothing. i fully expect Arya to deus ex machina some big resolution again before this is all over. i fucking hate her character.
anarchistfish 04.29.19	7 seasons of build up to have the great war last 1 episode and get no further south than Winterfell. Hilarious
dimsim3478 04.29.19	"the throne was always the crux of the story." agreed hard. BUT i also feel that they attributed a huge amount of importance to the Walker threat throughout the series; it's not just a "subplot", as gyro called it. whether you think they offered a resolution of the Walker threat that honoured the importance and build-up it was afforded in previous seasons is the real question. i feel like theres a flaw in the way the story has been laid out over the course of the series. the White Walker threat and Iron Throne conflict are obviously pretty distinct; one is a very simple battle of good vs. evil (a very simple evil, i might add), and the other is woven together from human drama and the interplay between many characters. furthermore, the Walker story and the Throne story are barely intertwined. that's why it was so easy for them to lay out the season like "first half will resolve the Walker stuff, and second half will resolve the political stuff". so in the end it does feel a bit like we've been watching two separate stories happening simultaneously, with kinda tenuous attempts to connect them together that ultimately fail to give the overall story the cohesion it needs.
TheSpirit 04.29.19	"7 seasons of build up to have the great war last 1 episode and get no further south than Winterfell. Hilarious" absolutely this. i don't care that it was a subplot. i don't care that the night king eventually died. i don't care that the show returns to focus on the "game of thrones" part. the fact of the matter is that the white walker/undead thread was still a HUGE HUGE HUGE part of this story and they closed it out terribly.
Tundra 04.29.19	I am disappointed...
unclereich 04.29.19	@spirit my feelings exactly
unclereich 04.29.19	oh and so much for winter coming, it's sunny outside again boys
Gyromania 04.29.19	you people complain about shit not being realistic enough, about characters not dying and having plot armour. isn't the fact that the night king and his entire army got annihilated in one expected a way of subverting expectations?
RadicalEd 04.29.19	"this makes me think you don't know the actual lord of light plot. the prophecy was for azor ahai to strike down the night king... that is who arya is, that IS the prophecy fulfilled. and yeah basically everything poly said. people acting like it was a disappointing ending meanwhile the night king and his army have always been one dimensional bad guys. it's a subplot" Yeah maybe she is, but that is exactly what I was criticizing, they didn't really build up to her being Azor Ahai. It just kinda worked out that way. Okay Mel and Flaming Sword guy helped her out in THIS episode, but Arya has barely had a connection to that Lord of Light subplot. I dunno, just feels like it may as well have been literally anyone else. You know what would have been way cooler? If she had to kill Brann, take his face, pretend to be Brann and kill the night king when he walks up to her. But I guess the tree eyed raven is too important (because... reasons).
anarchistfish 04.29.19	"i agree they were mostly boring as this "absolute evil", but for that storyline to be completely wrapped up in one episode feels really anticlimactic considering the series first scene was literally setting up the White Walkers." Yh but it's not necessarily boring cos the whole point of the white walkers is they act as an oppositional presence to everything, and so complicates the other relationships in the story, force the humans in the story to find common ground etc. Now it's just good v evil again anyway
RadicalEd 04.29.19	"isn't the fact that the night king and his entire army got annihilated in one expected a way of subverting expectations?" I dunno I assumed as much after season 7 because the heavily hinted at it then. And I'm not sure I like that decision. (But it's not a problem for me either, I just don't like the way the whole battle was pretty much a gigantic clusterfuck, like I mentioned earlier)
RadicalEd 04.29.19	"Now it's just good v evil again anyway" Yeah also this. The way the have written the story, at this point, Cersei is pretty much indistinguishable from the Night King. Everyone who is even remotley redeemable has been brought to Winterfell by the plot. I guess it's fine and a necessety of storytelling that the plot lines converge and somewhat simplify by the end, but what "intrigue" or "character drama" is left? Is anyone seriously thinking Sansa and Jon will break away from Daenerys after they just saved the world together? Jamie and Tyrion will not go back to Cersei. Bron will certainly not kill either Jamie or Tyrion.
Gyromania 04.29.19	i thought the clusterfuck worked on a conceptual level but i get it was a bit jarring to watch. i sort of liked that though - it was a miasma of death, the armies of the living got obliterated tbh and some key players died, but ofc they prevailed how could they not?
anarchistfish 04.29.19	I'm hoping varys still has something up his sleeve
trilo 04.29.19	yea same. varys’ character has been totally gutted by the dip in writing quality i hope he’s got something
polyrhythm 04.29.19	I think just one more significant character death (Brienne or Tormund or Sam) would have pushed it out of “we beat the WWs at minor cost” into “we beat them at great cost”
anarchistfish 04.29.19	Yh no one important died. That death chart was pretty accurate
Gyromania 04.29.19	hopefully everyone will die in the end, you morose cunts lol
Rowhaus 04.29.19	I didn't see the ending coming. I honestly didn't see much of anything tbh. Couldn't they invest in some better lighting? It's practically impossible to defeat an enemy you can't see.
TheSpirit 04.29.19	@ gyro - hopefully
BallsToTheWall 04.29.19	I hate Sam now. Edd was too good for this world.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	Bran: "time for me to go" Bran: *does literally nothing in warg*
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	The list of characters who got preposterously unrealistic saves is extensive and they should all be dead
Gyromania 04.29.19	sam should 100% be dead, also a few others, but w/e it's not a huge deal. i def agree though, unless there's some big plot reveal we don't know about, idk what the point of bran warging was. he took control of some birds and flew around... yippee?
BallsToTheWall 04.29.19	Cough cough Jon Snow. And that Lyanna stabbing that giant in the eye never should have happened. She was straight fucked.
trilo 04.29.19	that lyanna scene was hysterical. terrible acting and cgi lmao
unclereich 04.29.19	isn't the consensus that bran was luring the whites to him to set up the arya assassination
Tundra 04.29.19	Everyone has plot armour, Night King was just a scapegoat for the actual battle, ep. 3 in a nutshell
Larkinhill 04.29.19	Y’all are some bloodthirsty motherfuckers haha.
Larkinhill 04.29.19	Agreed Sam should be dead. Way too many close calls. Became silly.
kenji505 04.29.19	i hope some of them will die battling cersei because if not, the fact that they have survived this makes 0 sense
TheNotrap 04.29.19	About to see the epic battle, bet 50% of the characters are going to die, I hope Jaime Lannister, Jon Snow and The Hound live to fight another day
Kalopsia 04.29.19	the hound vs zombie mountain confirmed then
Egarran 04.29.19	Well that wasn't very good. 6/10 (and this show had many 10/10 eps imo), more annoying things than cool things. Generally you don't want the average couch potato to be disappointed with your military strategy.
MusicinaBox 04.29.19	It was fantastic you lot are sour. Remember it is fantasy.
Egarran 04.29.19	Fantasy = no standards, noted.
trilo 04.29.19	"Remember it is fantasy." oh damn compelling argument my mind has been changed
Deez 04.29.19	Ayra and the hound run into a room to get away from the hordes ,where the Red lady is and stay in there while Arya just runs out a different exit throgh a few thousand dead to get to night king ?? haha what? I watched it again I love the episode but man so many stupid hollywood moments. Dany fighting off about 50 walkers and Jon being surrounded by about 200 of them and living but more than anything the Jorah from out of nowhere and the Arya from out of nowheres to save the day. Could have shown Jorah seeing her getting thrown off the dragon and Arya disguised as one of the dead. Little things they could have done to fill in the massive holes, seems so overlooked.
Egarran 04.29.19	"It IS disappointing that the biggest battle in the history of the universe is not being decided by some strategem, some best laid trap for the night king or even by some epic feat of heroism" -RadicalEd Agerd, this was also the biggest weakness for me. In a show that likes to break tropes, this was about as lame as a Star Wars battle. I feel by now the ordinary human will make a better zombie slayer than anyone on TV.
Kalopsia 04.29.19	yeah just lap up anything they squirt out and be happy about it guys
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	Dont you think if it was all part of the plan to have bran set up the night king to get assassinated by arya that the fucking retarded cripple would share that part with her?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	Instead of assuming everyone would magically realize their duties and melisandre would show up to insinuate people into their prophecies
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	Pretty sure everyones plan was just "bait army into castle so they can murder everyone and then burn the bad man" and Brans plan was "*doubt*"
Egarran 04.29.19	Can't believe people keep watching this terrible show. *watches every episode*
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	8 seasons worth of investment in these characters that used to be great. Might as well finish at this point.
Kalopsia 04.29.19	"8 seasons worth of investment in these characters that used to be great. Might as well finish at this point." lol that's my gf's reasoning too. and hey, the production value has always been pretty great, so it's not all bad. hopefully they can end this on a high note.
Tundra 04.29.19	Arya used her floating powers to jump over the courtyard wall and go for the stabby stabby on the Night King, why does this make sense? cause female power of course!
Egarran 04.29.19	Unfortunately we couldn't really notice the production values in a night-time blizzard.
DoofDoof 04.29.19	Rule one of plots Pots: if theres a character with some sort of second sight/seeing into the future you don’t tell people their future as it will influence their actions. You can’t complain really as it’s such a universal trope. Big mistake watching this same day as the Avengers - three hours no suspense or jeopardy vs one hour actually tense. Well at least the first 40 minutes. I liked it although it is weird the white walkers are fully defeated in one battle of this season, hmmm. Sam seemed to survive by flattening the undead and crying - that would have been my tactic too.
DoofDoof 04.29.19	The Dothraki used as cannon fodder again too damn They played it straight, no ‘twists’, but still nice touches - winter coming is winter coming, a dragon white out. Nice way of taking away the two dragon advantage. I also liked the fact the NK is the best silent actor since Chaplin - cocky cvnt
DoofDoof 04.29.19	People saying a fiendish piece of military strategy should have defeated the NK - the biggest damp squib would have been the NK being outwitted and then labelled dumb in a hundred instant memes. You can’t have him be about as smart as Stannis or whatever. The dead had to win really. If only for three ‘music video minutes’ with a breakdancing icy blue electric dragon.
unclereich 04.29.19	Im so disappointed in this episode. Reading all this just makes it way worse. So cersei stays in kings landing because she doesn’t give a fuck about the white walkers. That would have worked for literally every other character other than bran and arya. There was no need for the useless slaughter. Just have arya kill the knight king before the battle and avoid the bloodloss. The way they scripted this made everyone's death seem wasteful as there was no chance for victory with their strategy. This makes ep 2 look like poo. Instead of sitting around crying about how you’re all going to die create a plan that doesn’t involve everyone dying so carelessly
Egarran 04.29.19	At least they could have made it clear that the Dothraki like charging whatever the odds. Even in a strange climate against stranger enemies. And that they don't take military strategies from western girly men.
DoofDoof 04.29.19	‘Everyone dying so carelessly’ I’d love to know what tactics would have beaten the army of the dead :/ They couldn’t get anywhere near them. Nothing could have changed that based on what we saw.
DoofDoof 04.29.19	‘Have Arya kill the NK before the battle’ This sounds...unlikely. Arya doesn’t ride a dragon for starters. Dude was a mile away from her...vertically.
Deez 04.29.19	Just remembered Bran gave Arya that dagger too huh?
DoofDoof 04.29.19	My major criticism of this episode is it was more 'horror deaths' and trad battle deaths than any moving deaths. Guess they're to come. Avengers did have the one good death scene...Jorah finally croaking didn't have that heft. Theon a small bit more, but again, not quite. Both were obviously going to happen and weren't directed in a way to really get the audience imo. The episode was more 'everything's hopeless for the collective'.
Gyromania 04.29.19	fuck you doof, i still haven't seen endgame.
DoofDoof 04.29.19	Ah shit, for me that was as obvious as Jorah dying this ep - guess it’s a spoiler :/
Gyromania 04.29.19	i mean i would have bet my life on stark dying, but still, to see it stated definitively. it's all good tho lol
DoofDoof 04.29.19	Apologies I’m not too bright
Tundra 04.29.19	‘Everyone dying so carelessly’ agreed, anything other than leeerrrroooyyyy jeeeeEEEENNNKIIIINS strategy would have been better
Egarran 04.29.19	Please dont spoil Endgame.
anarchistfish 04.29.19	dothraki & unsullied v wights gave me prequel battle vibes
Kalopsia 04.29.19	i'm glad we spent all that time watching Sam peel scabs off Jorah's dick, cuz he's going to get some worthwhile character moment right? oh shit, he's dead nvm
Trebor. 04.29.19	"Bran: "time for me to go" Bran: *does literally nothing in warg*" yeah this straight up made no sense
TheNotrap 04.29.19	I was waiting for more..not the brightest script, even taking into account it was an episode around a battle. Battle of the Bastards was more interesting. At least the hound, snow and jaime are still around
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	"Rule one of plots Pots: if theres a character with some sort of second sight/seeing into the future you don’t tell people their future as it will influence their actions. You can’t complain really as it’s such a universal trope." doof sometimes you just make this homeboy s this mfh so hard
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	Damn. Game of Thrones really went from "WHAT!!?" to "...WHY." fuckin' quick after they gobbled up source material didn't it.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	this is bts arya randomly flying out of fucking nowhere and taking out the nightking: http://www.hahastop.com/pictures/Cat_Jump_Attack.htm
CosmicPie 04.29.19	Well, if anyone were to do that... it would be Arya. She can shape-shift, so it doesn't seem impossible that she would get past everyone and come flying in. Idk, I thought it was awesome.
outliers 04.29.19	episode needed more plot armor and deus ex machina
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.29.19	"my impression re: arya was she took the face of a white walker rather than just strolled (or sneaked) right through." why the motherfuck would she a) wait so long to do that and b) take her face off before spider-manning from a tree(?) like a goddamn naruto mf at the nk
rockandmetaljunkie 04.29.19	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3M0Xt97aFI kit is pissed he didn't get to kill the night king XD
trilo 04.29.19	"why the motherfuck would she a) wait so long to do that and b) take her face off before spider-manning from a tree(?) like a goddamn naruto mf at the nk" you're tellin' me dude
outliers 04.30.19	also the battle tactics in this were pure cringe why put your trebuchets in a defensive position when you can place them directly behind your cavalry, the same cavalry that charges into a massive army they can’t see
CosmicPie 04.30.19	It really is possible to shit on anything if you get enough people talking, lol.
anarchistfish 04.30.19	"cuz he's going to get some worthwhile character moment right?" Nah it was prophecy that that dick had to be tended to
anarchistfish 04.30.19	Also rip egarran's 100 bucks Never bet on the crypt being safe
anarchistfish 04.30.19	Have u never seen a zombie movie ever
CosmicPie 04.30.19	What's interesting is that where Arya killed the Night King is exactly where Bran gave her that dagger. And also where she saw Jon again when he returned, and he asked her how she snuck up on him... There might've been a build up to that all along.
anarchistfish 04.30.19	Oh yh good catch. I thought the episode was generally well crafted actually. Pacing was good, and I thought the assassination strategy made decent sense. It's as if there was a purpose to Arya all along
anarchistfish 04.30.19	"Rule one of plots Pots: if theres a character with some sort of second sight/seeing into the future you don’t tell people their future as it will influence their actions. You can’t complain really as it’s such a universal trope." This is rule 1 yh. Apart from all the different stories that play with the idea of prophecy, including this one..
CosmicPie 04.30.19	Wasn't my catch, exactly. Been "youtubing." But that explanation definitely stands out.
hal1ax 04.30.19	"why the motherfuck would she a) wait so long to do that and b) take her face off before spider-manning from a tree(?) like a goddamn naruto mf at the nk" lmao
Scoot 04.30.19	theon should have killed the night king with longclaw after jon is inches from death
CosmicPie 04.30.19	I was really hoping for a Snow and Night sword fight...
DoofDoof 04.30.19	I do think some people didn’t understand the nature of this battle after having it explained by about 10 different characters. Conventional tactics - no chance. Best military mind winning eventually by taking out all the dead? No chance. I thought Brienne talking about conventional advantage of higher ground and this flank or that was meant to ram it home in the previous episode - this was never going to be that. So they were trying to break through the pawns for the back row. The Dothraki with flaming swords, the fiercest horse cavalry that Westeros has ever seen punching a hole and taking out some of the WW generals while backed by heavy artillery was an understandable strategy. It ended up being the charge of the literal light brigade but hey. Then when that didn’t work Dany and Jon tried to do the same job...until the NK brought the ol’ winter blizzard white out. That seemed a callback to BotB and it was interesting it was Dany not Jon being reckless. Jon clearly was worried after nearly screwing up BotB by throwing the military plan out the window. The military tactics were fine. The flaming trench was also a great tactic (ok, they didn’t understand how powerful the NK’s blizzard was) that required direct intervention from the NK himself to overcome.
DoofDoof 04.30.19	I mean the dramatic motif was a call back to the Nights Watch looking out into the dark not knowing what exactly their enemy is. This is the enemy no one has ever seen. The full power of the army of the dead and the full attention of the NK and whatever abilities he and his crew might also have. They end up underestimating both but to say they should have known their enemy better is ridiculous. They went off what they learnt at Hardhome - a skirmish. That’s all they had in terms of knowledge. Even the Bran 9000 didn’t know if dragon fire killed WHite Walkers So they set up that conventional battle was a stalling tactic to try and get to the NK and his best boys.
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Might still be another conventional battle vs the Golden Company but I’m not sure - might be a red herring
Faraudo 04.30.19	Episode was really good overall, people complain about stuff because they don't pay attention. I'm not saying that the show is as tightly written and nuanced as a show like Breaking Bad, but I really think that the writers gave a fuck about this particular episode. I actually read some guy complaining about "retconning" and about how anticlimactic it was when Arya killed the Night King, all of that while proposing an alternative ending on which the survivors let the White Walkers win and they escape through a fucking secret exit in Winterfell (an exit that has never been seen in the entirety of the show) and then they go with like the 20 people that survived the Battle of Winterfell to get Cesei? Ironic how someone with an opinion on the internet can complain about stuff (Anti climaxes and retconning in this case) and end up proposing stupid ass bullshit LIKE A SECRET EXIT and think that they are actually making a good point. Ugh.
Faraudo 04.30.19	"They end up underestimating both but to say they should have known their enemy better is ridiculous. They went off what they learnt at Hardhome - a skirmish. That’s all they had in terms of knowledge." Great stuff, Doof.
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Armour clearly helped you vs the undead. The dead weren’t quite as devastating as they were at Hardhome because of that. Has me thinking not too many of Tormund’s wildling lads made it...although they were the most experienced with WW and the dead. Also the poor Dothraki don’t like armour. There’ll still be a few unsullied knocking about though.
Faraudo 04.30.19	That makes a whole lotta sense, if Brienne, Jamie or Greyworm didn't had any armor, they would've probably gotten mauled. If there's plenty of Unsullied survivors, I will be really happy, because it will be logical.
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Did some of the Knights of the Vale ride home? Or did they give all their horses to the Dothraki / provide to the dragons as food? Would have been handy having two cavalry forces but I guess maybe they struggled to keep enough horses alive?
anarchistfish 04.30.19	they already showed quite a few unsullied survivors in the ep i think
anarchistfish 04.30.19	also how many kill strikes interrupted by a backstab have there been on this show. it always feels like the same camera shot too
anarchistfish 04.30.19	the battle tactics I was kinda ok with, and the screenplay i thought was good. my main issue is the whole point of this show was wannabe kings and queens squabbling while more important shit is about to go down, and they just shat it away in one battle at winterfell. with the longer 6 episode series length it feels like they really just aimed to nail down the cinematographic legacy of the show and leave the ending nuance to the books, for better or worse, but i really thought they were gonna go down a more bittersweet/pyrrhic route. there's no meaning or deeper dread to the white walkers here that i can see, unless they're gonna hit us with a sideswipe in the next couple of episodes. seems unlikely. it just doesn't seem to connect much to the first 6 or 7 seasons. kinda reminds me of mass effect 3 actually
DoofDoof 04.30.19	well, the remainder might be where it gets a little more nuanced - they've left three episodes then again it might not and we just get a daytime battle and everyone can at least stop moaning about 'the scary guys' fighting under cover of darkness
anarchistfish 04.30.19	three 80 minute episodes sounds more like 3 battles than plot intrigue, especially given the first half of the series i'm wondering what they're gonna make the fucking spin-off about
anarchistfish 04.30.19	also "Rule one of plots Pots: if theres a character with some sort of second sight/seeing into the future you don’t tell people their future as it will influence their actions. You can’t complain really as it’s such a universal trope." still need to address this cos idk where you pulled this from
DoofDoof 04.30.19	'still need to address this cos idk where you pulled this from' every movie since 1954 if a character sees their future, or follows a perfect description of their future, this would not be a great plot device - if those events definitely have to come about. It would only be interesting if they don't - and in this case they had to. Plus if you've seen the future why would you need to tell someone their future if it'll happen anyway - it could only be a risk.
DoofDoof 04.30.19	'I'm wondering what they're gonna make the fucking spin-off about' they've already confirmed there's going to be one about the White Walker origins up first
anarchistfish 04.30.19	"every movie since 1954" ??? have you never seen any time travel movies? or the episode where cersei gets her prophecy told and her story becomes about its self-fulfillment?
DoofDoof 04.30.19	arya has been told cryptic prophecies similar to Cercei's though - people are saying Bran should have gone 100 stages further and explicitly said 'first you'll do this, then you'll do that, then you'll go here, then you jump on the NK but wait for Theon to croak first...' this never happens in movies - unless the events don't unfold due to the usual issues of knowing your own future/dilemma of whether you can alter your own destiny. Usually stuff is left open to misinterpretation by being cryptic/vague/incomplete. They've gone to painful lengths to tell the audience Bran is immune to such issues because he's not really human - he seems to have some sort of affection or loyalty to humanity, but not really individuals in that he'd try and save people he know are going to die. He's just about the big picture. Bran wanted things to happen exactly like they did - so if he did alter things subtly he did it for this outcome. If he didn't alter anything much - he did it for this outcome. He never wanted anything else. Remember he is probably still invested in the fate of Westeros beyond just the White Walker threat - things had to happen so that the next round of destinies are fulfilled. Still, I sort of hope they mostly park Bran somewhere for the rest of the series, maybe just have him return the last episode after waving goodbye next week.
anarchistfish 04.30.19	I thought the Arya plan was formulated herself and all they knew was that it had to be her to try
anarchistfish 04.30.19	It was melissandra that involved Arya no. All her prophecies are vague af
zakalwe 04.30.19	Will watch the 3rd episode later. It’s all a bit of a nonsense now though innit. Game of Coronation Emmerdale Thrones The young tart getting her baps out was highly distasteful as well for me.
anarchistfish 04.30.19	I want the Obama spin off Game of Drones. #YesWeComing
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Young tart is 20 years old though does still look 15 admittedly
zakalwe 04.30.19	Debauched
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Dungeon bait
Egarran 04.30.19	Thankfully she's not a sexy character. Watching Dany get semi-raped gave me conflicting emotions.
anarchistfish 04.30.19	I don't think Ur meant to enjoy rape scenes
DoofDoof 04.30.19	But some people still do a tiny bit - how naughty. As Perry Farrell sang so memorably - ‘sex is vio-lent!’ Dany clearly had no conflict - she fell in love with the ‘semi rapist’
Egarran 04.30.19	"I don't think Ur meant to enjoy rape scenes" "semi-raped" "conflicting emotions" I dunno what to tell you that doesn't blatantly expose your projection of rape fantasies.
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Update: women also have fantasies about violent sex 2nd update: some women love violent sex
DoofDoof 04.30.19	A show set in a medieval style fantasy universe was always likely to have a grey area around violent sex and outright rape. Many times in our own history things have been very similar.
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Doublepost
anarchistfish 04.30.19	"I dunno what to tell you that doesn't blatantly expose your projection of rape fantasies." Ur a clown
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	Hey doof there is literally no amount of paragraphs you could write that will make the writing on this episode any less shitty
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	also prophecies usually arent translated exactly as they are to happen because people dont know exactly how they are to happen. Ur suggesting that bran DID know
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	So why would bran tell Arya? I dunno, so as not to risk her life uselessly for the entire episode and maybe as to also save a few thousand people
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	Ur dumb plot device worship doesnt make the dumb plot device not dumb
Kalopsia 04.30.19	YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DESTORY THE SITH, NOT JOIN THEM. YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE, NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS!
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Losing a few thousand people - dum dum dum - might have been necessary for what is to follow The prophecies aren’t over :/
DoofDoof 04.30.19	I’m saying Bran had a good idea of how he wanted shit to play out - that’s it.
anarchistfish 04.30.19	Did he?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	Yeah we will see about that buster
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	Bran is an idiot he didnt even know if they were gonna survive the night, said as much to jaimie
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Well he handed Arya the dagger he wanted her to use to kill the NK in exactly the place she managed to :/ Think it’s pretty clear he’s on board with the Melisandre/Berrick all serving a purpose/‘this is how it must come to pass’ thing But sure, it’s not everyone’s favourite outcome/story telling style - I get that
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Pots - he said what he needed to say ‘He’s an idiot’ He’s not really even a ‘he’ - more an it A really dumb ‘it’ - or maybe...uh, i personally don’t think so, that isn’t the impression I got. Zero fear staring down the NK - he knew it was happy days
anarchistfish 04.30.19	I just don't think visions are that specific. I think maybe I agree with you idk (Ur wording is weird). I wouldn't assume Bran knew how it was gonna do down in any more detail than they showed
anarchistfish 04.30.19	I thought the assassination in itself was sort of ok cos it actually makes Arya not pointless, but melissandre def felt shoehorned in
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Pots, I kind of get you’re maybe upset he isn’t a regular culpable human anymore if you hated the human character already - but I think that’s sort of clouding your judgement a shade
anarchistfish 04.30.19	How did this debate start
DominionMM1 04.30.19	disagree about melly. we all knew she was coming back and she said she still had a part to play in the great war.
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Mel did more than anyone that episode :/
anarchistfish 04.30.19	True @dom. It just felt kinda abrupt
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	Doof I get that ur a massive fanboy for this show but I think sort of clouding ur judgement a shade
DominionMM1 04.30.19	the problem is that they've never really explained what bran or the 3 eyed raven is or does in any real depth. overall, i think the show hasn't handled the "magic" aspect of the series as well as they could have. it's almost like they've always been sort of embarrassed by it or something.
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Or...want some intrigue and mystery rather than getting into a ‘Star Wars explaining the Force as science’ terrible place Were they called cluroflidian particles or something? Ultimate derp
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	Look doof if ur this desperate to explain away the shit writing in GoT with shit tropes at least get it right. If bRaN tHe GeNdErLeSs 3 EyEd RaVeN is indeed prophetic on that level then:
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	He probably fulfills "the watcher" trope. Hes supposed to record human memory anyway. Hes the trope of an omniscient being that CANT intervene.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	That would at least explain why hes such a useless cunt
DominionMM1 04.30.19	i personally haven't found much of the "magic" aspects all that intriguing recently. i mean there's still time to explain a lot of this stuff in a way that isn't ridiculous. also they've just straight up left out a ton of stuff from the books that fall more on the "fantasy" side the story so it's not like they've even really hinted at things but kept them mysterious
nol 04.30.19	I learned in class that GoT is the most watched piece of digital media in the world, including all Sports, Movies and Newscasts. fuckin wacko. and then there's me having watched half of one episode ever
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	For the love of god dont watch more its heartbreaking
Gyromania 04.30.19	you gonna take that shit, doof?
Egarran 04.30.19	Woah, Ozzyman found the right settings: https://youtu.be/xi-dv37e8AY
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Watching the football right now but I concede to Potsy probably being right about everything - but I still like the show
Egarran 04.30.19	That's the spirit.
TheSpirit 04.30.19	i thought i put a lot of thought into this show but ya'll have really shown me either way, this episode sucked
Kalopsia 04.30.19	what if i told you that you can like something and still recognize and acknowledge some aspect of that thing that may be straight up poor/bad.
Larkinhill 04.30.19	what if i told you that you can like something and still recognize and acknowledge some aspect of that thing that may be straight up poor/bad. Preposterous poppycock.
WatchItExplode 04.30.19	@ Kalopsia I read this whole thread and decided I would retreat to my own living room which is some sort of temporary autonomous zone where that is still possible.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	Lmao doof u are too pure for this world arguing with you is like hurting your grans feelings
anarchistfish 04.30.19	spurs are shit
DoofDoof 04.30.19	Kalopsia - I do think a lot of the show has been poor, some of the Arya stuff in Bravos and the Dorne plots were very underwhelming. These three episodes I’ve liked a lot though. Still not first four seasons good.
DominionMM1 04.30.19	last episode was incredible visually and aurally so i can’t say it was bad
anat 04.30.19	i'm late to the new episode but being honest i can't say i care much about the rest of the season now
Gmork89 04.30.19	Loved the hell out of this season so far. Last episode was completely amazing in my opinion.
TheNotrap 04.30.19	I wanna see the hound kicking his brother’s butt
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	Yeah that murky black screen and indistinguishable puddle fuckery of an excuse for combat sure was a visual spectacle
TheNotrap 04.30.19	Yeah the black screen also pissed me off
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	Honestly might as well have just watched an empty input channel for that level of contrast
anat 04.30.19	it would have been better too without any music, the score drove me to utter distraction
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	U just know HBO was like "yo if we make it dark enough that you can barely see what's going on in HD NO ONE will be able to STREAM it
TheNotrap 04.30.19	The episode had a popcorn feeling that I wasn’t expecting
Deez 04.30.19	hahha @potz that was my first thought
DominionMM1 04.30.19	i mean I had no issue seeing these: https://imgur.com/a/3hPnqPA maybe some of you need new tvs or something
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	If I need a new tv just to see Sams dumb ass get saved 24 times I think I'll do without
zakalwe 04.30.19	lol. Classic, I’ve genuinely been thinking my tele is bloody rubbish because of the last few episodes and I’m pretty sure a few from the previous seasons but it genuinely is only GoT where I get a blocky, horrifically transitioned mess on screen.
JWT155 04.30.19	I overall liked the episode, except when my susepnsion of disbeleif jumped the shark with the army of the night king. They were able to defeat the Dothraki horsemen in less than a minute, they hit the front wave with a force that no way could be stiffled, yet they were able to keep them at bay for what felt like hours? Same with when they flooded the castle. They showed the pure force and size of them rshing the castle, yet when it cuts to Arya in the library it seems like Zombies are slipping in one at a time like their getting a ticket on the turnpike. To me the disconnect between the zombie army and it's shear size and strength in rushing the castle, yet not fast enough so that characters would not be overwhelmed in mere minutes lost me. You can't show a force moving so quickly on such a scale, and then pan to other areas where they are no where to be found.
TheNotrap 04.30.19	Good point
BeyondCosby 04.30.19	I would say I'm 90% happy with the episode. I'm bummed that the Night King is undone by a character who has nothing to do with the rise of Azor Ahai. Also, she just jumped twenty feet over all his boys and gave him the prison shanky? Dude is the scariest threat in Westros and he's undone like that? Give me a fuckin' break. I felt like characters like Brann, who should have some other plan besides "lure him into the Weirwood", didn't really get their moment. Like, warg into something and try to save yourself... I think the other thing that bummed me was the emotional weight of the episode. Episode two set so many characters up for an emotional death that, when only the mains survive, it was a little bit unbelievable. It may be blood thirsty, but with the unsullied all but wiped out it makes sense that Grey Worm take the plunge also. Vayrs dies saving Tyrion. Give me more heavy. If you are going to have Arya kill the Night King (which again... bullshit), they way I can see it happen is the Night King strolls through Winterfell, and despite being pinned down our main characters all see him. So begins a mad rush to the Weirwood, each one desperately fighting their way to him. In the chaos a small figure breaks through the fighting, leaps at the last second, and kills him. Or have her put on Caitlyn Stark's dead face and do it.
DominionMM1 04.30.19	"Also, she just jumped twenty feet over all his boys and gave him the prison shanky?" she didn't jump over the white walkers she ran by them. you could see a little gust of wind move one of the walkers hair. that was arya running past him. not sure why you think arya killing the night king is bullshit. most signs pointed to jon being the one to do him in which of course means it wasnt going to be him. that's a pretty consistent theme for this show.
thedoom 04.30.19	So I finally watched the episode and it was hilariously stupid. This is show feels like pure fanfiction since Season 7. Well, atleast the music is still awesome.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	Yeah she just phantom-ran by them at the speed of wind and then force-jumped 15 feet into the air or some shit that's all
thedoom 04.30.19	Tbh while watching I was semi entertained by this episode, tried my hardest to ignore all the stupid shit happening. But the more I think about it the worse it gets.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	And then did him the ol' magicians "razzle dazz" at the end there with the obsidian-dragonite prison shiv to the belly-shank
thedoom 04.30.19	Is this the worst GoT battle?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	GoT is like marvel movies now, they are entertaining while you are watching them but when you start to think about them they get super dumb
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	Its possibly worse than the Stannis v Bolton off screen battle
DominionMM1 04.30.19	“Yeah she just phantom-ran by them at the speed of wind and then force-jumped 15 feet into the air or some shit that's all” yeah they never showed any precedent for her being able to do something like that did they
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.30.19	Pretty sure she can do anything now because reasons
thedoom 04.30.19	tfw a clever plot and character driven show in a grounded medieval fantasy setting climaxes in a dumb cliche zombie apocalypse battle.
thedoom 04.30.19	I don‘t even want to talk about the huge pile of stupidity that is supposed to be their defensive tactic.
DominionMM1 04.30.19	it was always heading to this though by making the night king and white walkers such a huge focal point
thedoom 04.30.19	Yet we still have 3 long episodes of human conflict, the stakes seem really low after defeating the personification of death.
Gyromania 05.01.19	"I would say I'm 90% happy with the episode. I'm bummed that the Night King is undone by a character who has nothing to do with the rise of Azor Ahai." she is azor ahai tho... idk, the writing of the show has clearly gone downhill but all i wanted from this was an intense battle and i got that. didn't need some grand scheme of high intellect for me to validate it as good. it was enjoyable action. arya sneakily running by those white walkers really isn't that surprising. they've been shown to be pretty slow in reaction time in the past and arya has become a stealthy assassin over the years, not that shocking.
Gyromania 05.01.19	obv the ending could have been better but i think the episode was great on the whole. moar deaths obv to come at king's landing.
DominionMM1 05.01.19	i thought they remained consistent in a very got way in the sense that they subverted expectations; i’m sure most people (myself included) expected more primary characters to die. episode 2 seemed like a final farewell for most of them. i mean grey worm and missy talking about going to live on the beach after this is over just screamed “at least one of us is going to die” but they didn’t. it’s something that this show has always done.
Faraudo 05.01.19	Yeah, it was probably the best thing they've done since season 6's finale.
DominionMM1 05.01.19	“Yet we still have 3 long episodes of human conflict, the stakes seem really low after defeating the personification of death.” maybe but cersei is a far more compelling character than the night king so the rest of the story could be too
Faraudo 05.01.19	I mean, a person who believed in the god of death defeated the personification of death, how is that a bad thing, narratively wise?
thedoom 05.01.19	I would‘ve been fine with how few characters died, if we didn’t see almost all characters survive multiple situations they 100% should’ve died in. At the beginning of the battle I was seriously anxious about who would live. By the end I was just laughing at Sam randomly surviving all that shit.
Faraudo 05.01.19	Sam is the only one who objectively had to fucking die lol, but we mentioned in earlier comments the fact that people like Brienne, Jamie and Greyworm lived because of their armor, and I don't think that zombies are that efficient against armors. It's a mini leap of faith, but it sounds logical enough for me.
CatfishSoup 05.01.19	Audio and visual were great. But... - Knight king was built up for 8 seasons. He rises an undead super army. Barely showed his power. Died from a single stab. I mean the man could manipulate weather / create icy fog. - White walkers did nothing. Even someone killing one would have been interesting and added depth to the battle. It was basically zombie steamroll with Arya the only one doing something. - Nobody properly armed in the crypts, yet most live? - Bran was useless, again - They had the best living brains in one location. Little in tactics. No push or pull. - Danny grounding her dragon amongst the zombies? Smart - Virtually all main characters are alive... so very un-GoT It just seems really dumb that the knight king isn't the final boss. The whole winter is coming thing was great. A human battle against Cersei just seems so bland. It was literally the war against the dead which ended abruptly in an episode. Ugh, i'm very underwhelmed. It's almost getting too Hollywood.
thedoom 05.01.19	Lets be real, Jon, Jaime, Brienne and obv Sam all objectively had to die. Regarding the armor they wore, lets not act as if armor counts for anything in this show anymore.
Faraudo 05.01.19	They all had thick armor tho, zombies can't eat that shit away, that's why the Dothraki died so quickly, they had no armor at all. "It just seems really dumb that the knight king isn't the final boss. The whole winter is coming thing was great. A human battle against Cersei just seems so bland. It was literally the war against the dead which ended abruptly in an episode. Ugh, i'm very underwhelmed. It's almost getting too Hollywood. " Not at all, the conflict against Cersei sounds way more interesting, she's a great villain with motivations and whatnot. Also, geographically and narratively speaking, it makes WAY more sense to try and stop the Night King up north, because if they just let him advance to Kings Landing, his army would just keep on growing.
Gmork89 05.01.19	I love that Arya just killed him like that, people love to pretend they want twists but what they really want are to feel like they predicted things. That unexpected killing of all of the white walkers was totally in the spirit of the show and its unexpected turns. Just not understanding the hate, I consider myself a pretty hardcore fan, read the books twice, hadn't really cared about the show much after the last two seasons but this season has totally pulled me back in.
Gmork89 05.01.19	And now everyone "knows" that the show will just end with them fighting Cersei and everything with the walkers being wrapped up, just like they "knew" everyone who would die in this episode. I'm along for the ride at this point and I bet they subvert what everyone expects yet again, and everyone will cry because their memes didn't pan out.
JAV 05.01.19	I would have ended that episode with Bronn killing Jamie after the battle was all over. Who would have expected that shit??
Gmork89 05.01.19	Battle absolutely outdid helms deep too, people forget Legolas surfing on shields and a battle so relaxed that characters jokingly kept kill counts with each other.
thedoom 05.01.19	You can subvert expectations as much as you want, that alone doesn‘t make a good story.
thedoom 05.01.19	And twists are totally not just about feeling good when you predicted one, wtf
DoofDoof 05.01.19	The funny thing people saying this battle was unrealistic and lacked suspense/jeopardy...after watching the 1/10 atrocity that was the Avengers final showdown the same day this felt like watching a documentary. Yeah I know Avengers is also for kids but still. Meh, this is just my bag I guess, at least an 8 out of 10 episode.
DoofDoof 05.01.19	In terms of the battle ending early doors and everyone getting totally swarmed - I thought the dragons taking out a couple thousand of the dead punched holes in them. That’s why the NK moves quick to stop all that bringing the blizzard ahead of schedule. Ok, once the NK raises his army again everyone should have been toast but at least we went MTV video/big score slo-mo so I guess not that much time actually passed.
DoofDoof 05.01.19	I think the first 20 minutes of this episode is up there with the all time best of the series - and yes it probably beat the rain starting up and hitting the massed ranks of armour in Helms Deep. It was that good a build up. What follows isn’t quite as good, but for me that was pure glorious suspense all the way to the dead swarming over the front lines of the winterfell army. I can’t imagine how they could have made all that sequence any better. ‘Don’t make it so dark!’ Urgh, really now
Faraudo 05.01.19	I mean, it's the worst winter storm in the history of Westeros lol, of course it was going to be dark. It makes sense, like most of the things that people nitpicked.
Faraudo 05.01.19	"I love that Arya just killed him like that, people love to pretend they want twists but what they really want are to feel like they predicted things. That unexpected killing of all of the white walkers was totally in the spirit of the show and its unexpected turns. Just not understanding the hate, I consider myself a pretty hardcore fan, read the books twice, hadn't really cared about the show much after the last two seasons but this season has totally pulled me back in." Best comment in the entire thread right fucking here. For real.
DoofDoof 05.01.19	Faraudo - yeah, most of it makes enough sense. The plot armour for main characters can be forgiven if their plot arcs are interesting/satisfying from here on out far as I’m concerned.
Faraudo 05.01.19	Yeah, my only gripe is that Sam should've died, like 100%. Jamie and Brienne's arcs will probably payoff, especially Jamie's.
DoofDoof 05.01.19	I guess they put Sam in the heat of battle in a sort of ‘everyday bloke/hey audience! this would be you in this situation’ sort of way - but he just sat crying on a heap of corpses. His survival was beyond miraculous Maybe if all the living had fallen to the floor crying the undead have left them alone
BigBlob 05.01.19	Jaime and Brienne going to have the GOAT sex scene
DoofDoof 05.01.19	I'm seeing some seriously cold to the touch metal handed fisting followed by the introduction of the biggest strap on in Westeros laying waste to the 'Golden Lion' Then Tormund runs in to join in, whips off his clothes....and reveals it's all been three seasons of bravado - big blue balls, micropenis
BigBlob 05.01.19	"I'm seeing some seriously cold to the touch metal handed fisting" and bronn is sitting in the shadows watching, nodding with approval
Egarran 05.01.19	"Jaime and Brienne going to have the GOAT sex scene" Oh man, that would be awesome. And then as a resolution, he would invite all the neighbourhood kids to witness their non-incestuous love.
Kalopsia 05.01.19	Angry Joe had a pretty good rant on episode 3 which nails the problems with this one
DoofDoof 05.01.19	'Angry Joe had a pretty good rant on episode 3 which nails the problems with this one' I think more a case of Mensa saying 'we'll call you, Angry Joe' At least the Preston reviews are (intentionally) funny and well informed - plus show some creativity in their critique. The Ozzyman review was good, more realistic balance of opinion rather than 'low IQ nerd rage' like AJ (and his team, ye gods his team, surprised they can get dressed unaided the level of intelligence on show).
BallsToTheWall 05.01.19	They better bring Howland Reed in.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Lol doofs denial levels are off the charts
Kalopsia 05.01.19	he sure is triggered
Gyromania 05.01.19	haters gon hate
DoofDoof 05.01.19	All I’m saying is it was pretty good, I have never said it was my favourite episode or that it was perfect, it might not even be my favourite ‘battle scenes’ episode. Let’s be real - this was far superior to Blackwater as a spectacle and as an overall entertaining episode...and everyone goes overboard in praise for that one. This was a good ep :/ Rose tinted, the backlash has become its own thing which I dip into and sometimes agree with and find funny but generally I still prefer just enjoying the show
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	This was superior to absolutely nothing ever as a spectacle. The stannis v Bolton battle was better and it didnt even happen
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Trust, I still enjoy watching the show too even tho its utter rubbish now. Great hate-watch
JeetJeet 05.01.19	My only problems were the shitty editing and the fact that Sam didnt die. Other than that I'm cool with the episode. But goddamn a good portion of the battle was disorienting as fuck.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Someone up there is actually trying to say that armor protected people from the zombies because they cant eat armour away. Pretty sure they were using weapons, not their teeth.
DoofDoof 05.01.19	Believe me I can see a lot of stupid shit in GoT but it’s still just really entertaining imo The Preston reviews are funny on YouTube because he tears episodes apart, really goes to town on them - but then he’s asked his rating for the same episode and he gives it an 8 out of 10. He acknowledges it’s frequently ridiculous or carelessly written...but it’s still real good all the same. I’m somewhere similar.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Also yeah, having better contrast would have been a good start. Like wanting to be able to fucking see is a bad criticism. Next step would have been to scrap the entire script.
anarchistfish 05.01.19	Should've hired Rian Johnson tbh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	@doof I get the entertainment but I just dont feel that its "still good" anymore. Love to shit talk it but I'd give it like a solid 4/10 for this ep
anarchistfish 05.01.19	It feels pretty obvious they just thought fuck it and aimed to nail the cinematographic legacy down. That's what it comes down to from where I'm standing
Gyromania 05.01.19	that's rly harsh tbh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Did they tho? Did they? I mean those cgi dragons are pretty SIIIIIIQQQQ but
anarchistfish 05.01.19	is it really? i asked my mate whose father is in the tv industry and he agreed with me.. they just had such a monumental task, to wrap up this hugely involved story that even the original author is struggling with AND produce the biggest TV spectacle of all time, all on schedule
anarchistfish 05.01.19	i mean im looking at it from the perspective of the producers, the cash men etc
Gyromania 05.01.19	i think maybe we're watching different shows. the white walkers' plot line has always been meh. it builds a lot of hype sure but i wasn't expecting anything other than a grandiose battle against dead people with zero personality or intellect which is basically what we got. 'hugely involved' seems a bit absurd to me.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	White walkers plot has always been "meh" and ur confused about how its resolution was also "meh" ?
anarchistfish 05.01.19	this is an adaptation of the series asoiaf tho so why not. GRRM created all this intrigue, prophecy, mystery, dread, all these plot twists and subversions, and he was just gonna end it with the big baddie? sure, the tv adaption was never gonna aim for the same level of complexity but they have themes ffs
Gyromania 05.01.19	does every villain need to be witty and have tons of subtext and shit? can't someone just be evil for the sake of being evil? they're the embodiment of death ffs. and it's always been a subplot, never the main focus.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Fish stop having standards
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Gyro way to cherry pick one of like 400 complaints about the episode, also yeah, boring villains are boring, ask marvel
anarchistfish 05.01.19	lol im not asking for a fucking soliloquy, just give some kind of meaning and resolution. the whole point of the white walkers is they are the real threat while everyone bickers in the south this season is like if they made a sequel to Day after Tomorrow where elon musk just solves everything
EoinCofa 05.01.19	the walkers were only included because this world is obsessed with zombies (and skeleton pirates)
anarchistfish 05.01.19	"Fish stop having standards" hang on framing this
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	If youd simply just lower your expectations to zero and turn your brain to "off" you'd realize what a fantastic episode it was
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Imagine defending a star wars prequel or some shit with similar logic as is in this thread
Gyromania 05.01.19	what should have happened then?
Gyromania 05.01.19	all but 2 people die? the night king gives some poignant speech?
anarchistfish 05.01.19	what is plot resolution
Pangea 05.01.19	It was an anticipated battle against an acolyptic event, that the show built towards for its entire runtime but it feels like It barely mattered for the main charaters except for thinning out their armies. which could have been exciting for the Final battle if they didn't have dragons
Pangea 05.01.19	Alsof i don't think it's neccesarily bad that's most of the characters survived (i wouls have preffered IT though) but don't put them in a position where they should die. There is 0 reason sam should survive the position he was put in
DoofDoof 05.01.19	'Imagine defending a star wars prequel or some shit with similar logic as is in this thread' Imagine the original Star Wars coming under this level of critical duress - wouldn't stand a chance
DoofDoof 05.01.19	'which could have been exciting for the Final battle if they didn't have dragons' I'd be surprised if the dragons see out the show but maybe, think they're going down sooner rather than later
anarchistfish 05.01.19	the king's landing theory would've been more exciting
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	"What should have happened then?" Good writing
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	@doof the original star wars were from the 70s and hadn't set a seven season long precedent of diminishing quality dumby
DoofDoof 05.01.19	'the king's landing theory would've been more exciting' how can the NK resurrect his army again if they're on the ropes? he also doesn't know how strong the resistance will be. plus he 'led' the battle and intervened directly - thanks to being the only enemy on a dragon. some of these powers might have been carried out by other white walkers (maybe bringing the blizzard?) but it's pretty clear from Hardhome he has the main 'power moves' how would he build a second army of the dead if his only weapon available totally obliterates humans on contact? (the dragon breath) it was one of the least practical theories imo
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Imagine thinking the desire for thoughtful writing, genuine shock and tension, and characters with depth, was too critical
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Especially from a show that used to have all 3
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Would have been a 10/10 walking dead episode. But instead it's a 4/10 GOT ep
Gmork89 05.01.19	"Imagine thinking the desire for thoughtful writing, genuine shock and tension, and characters with depth, was too critical" Funny GoT still has all of those things in my opinion.
Gyromania 05.01.19	"Imagine the original Star Wars coming under this level of critical duress - wouldn't stand a chance" this. "Would have been a 10/10 walking dead episode. But instead it's a 4/10 GOT ep" i think it's excellent episode but at least we're getting somewhere! lol.
Gyromania 05.01.19	yeah idk how those things were missing from that episode. my gf and i loved it and i'm generally pretty critical of GoT. i guess we're simpletons.
Gmork89 05.01.19	I watched it with 5 other people and we all loved it, then I get on the internet and everyone hates it what a surprise.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Pixars Game of Dragon Pals
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Starring Fire Elsa, the guy from How To Train Your Dragon, Samsomething from LOTR, and Grumpy the Dwarf
Gyromania 05.01.19	oh is pixar bad now too?
Scheumke 05.01.19	Lord, don't take this the wrong way, but I can't help but notice that I don't think I've ever seen you post a positive comment on this site once. I get you don't like it, yeah there are some big plotholes, there have been many since season 6, who cares at this point. Either put your mind to blank and enjoy the ride or don't watch it because thats all your gonna get.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	It's great for small children
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	@scheumke dont take this the wrong way but I pissed in your runners and now your feet smell like my urine
Scheumke 05.01.19	Yeah that was the reaction I expected xD. In other news: How badass was lady Mormont
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	It was a huge missed opportunity that they didn't have the giant Attack On Titan style chomp her right in half or just crush her with one hand tbh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Now that's the game of thrones I knew and loved. Savagery.
Scheumke 05.01.19	He did crush her though, I thought the way she killed that giant as a last act was kinda awesome
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	No I mean like CRUSH her. Like into a bloody mangled pulp as she screams in terror and dies hopelessly in a state of sheer dread
Scheumke 05.01.19	Yeah that wouldve been season 1-4 style GoT. Wouldve been awesome too. Really liked this one as well though. One of the stronger moments in the episode imo.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	That's my biggest gripe. The best part of GoT was the hopelessness. It was gripping that anyone could go at any time with so little hope or closure.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Every death now has to be heroic and put on a pedestal, it's like it's a completely different show
outliers 05.01.19	c'mon dude, having the giant stop in the middle of battle to pick up and crush a child is wayyyyy more logical than it simply stepping on her in pursuit of more important targets
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	It's not for the sake of logic that it would be great..
CosmicPie 05.01.19	I'm sure the writers know at this point in the game that killing off a popular character in a casual, dull way would piss a lot of people off. They may be walking on glass. There's still plenty of time for them to do some crazy shit, though.
Pangea 05.01.19	Agreed 100% lordepots. Deaths in the earlier seasons were the most logical way to die at that moment. now the writers only let anyone die at the most badass way possible but it feels cheap
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	I'd hardly call any of the major deaths in the early seasons "casual" or "dull". More like "flabergasting" and "ruthless"
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	@pangea yeah its like blockbuster disney/marvel deaths, actually makes me care much less rather than more lol
CosmicPie 05.01.19	Well, it was flabergasting how casual some of them were, haha.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	True that
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	I dunno I've never been much for twinkly fantasy bullshit, hate LOTR but that's exactly what made GoT special amongst the litter. It was pretty fucking M/. Now it is not M/.
CosmicPie 05.01.19	I'm still enjoying it. But they are missing their signature "F*** You" moments. But like I said, they still have plenty of time.
Pangea 05.01.19	I do likw high fantasy and usually im alright with a bit of suspension of disbelief but the fact that got was different makes the twinkly bullshit a lot more jarring
Scheumke 05.01.19	Yeah that's kind off the problem. George had decades to think things through and keep the tone in line with the rest. The writers are clear hollywood writers though. Yet I'm glad enough that there are actual deaths happening which is better then last season.
anarchistfish 05.01.19	i get they're going for resolution but yh the characterisation now is basically just fan fiction
Scheumke 05.01.19	To me its not so much the fact that the deaths are being heroic, its more that its become too predictable. They die when they're expected to die. That was why the red and white weddings had such an impact: we didn't see it coming. Still enjoyed the episode a lot though, but glad we have the books.
anarchistfish 05.01.19	yeah i don't even think they had to tweak that much to make it a decent enough send-off. but it just felt a bit too...michael bay..wooden. it was missing the flourish, and GRRM's dialogue
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	I can get behind all of this
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	And dont get me wrong I still enjoyed the ride. I just have equally enjoyed shit talking everything wrong with it with everyone I know
anarchistfish 05.01.19	Still a way better effort than TLJ
Gyromania 05.01.19	tlj is so fucking bad
Gyromania 05.01.19	easily the worst star wars ever
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Ok tlj sucks ya but the snoke guard fight scene alone is better than all of the combat in this episode combined. Also the silent space explosion was better than anything here.
DoofDoof 05.01.19	Nothing in TLJ was better than this and Leia in space was 100 times sillier than anything in this episode
DoofDoof 05.01.19	Just watched again, Pots is going to crucify me... I thought it was better on a second viewing. 9 out of 10. Even the score I preferred second time. I think this now might be my favourite battle episode - def ahead of Hardhome...might still prefer BotB
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Leia space scene was worse than anything in this yes, Leia space scene was worse than anything that's ever happened tho so
Gyromania 05.01.19	"Ok tlj sucks ya but the snoke guard fight scene alone is better than all of the combat in this episode combined. Also the silent space explosion was better than anything here." look at a breakdown of that scene lol. the choreography is embarrassing. and that space explosion is one of the biggest plot holes i've ever seen. visually stunning but dumb af otherwise.
DoofDoof 05.01.19	Love how Mel stares at Arya exactly like she did Jon - penny finally drops...forget Jon, you’ve derped again, this is who you were looking for all along So good, obviously a throwback to her seeing Jon on the Castle Black battlements
DominionMM1 05.01.19	“To me its not so much the fact that the deaths are being heroic, its more that its become too predictable. They die when they're expected to die. That was why the red and white weddings had such an impact: we didn't see it coming.” i don’t know man. i think we’ve become conditioned because of episodes like baelor and rains of castamere to the point where no death would be unexpected now.
CosmicPie 05.01.19	"Love how Mel stares at Arya exactly like she did Jon - penny finally drops...forget Jon, you’ve derped again, this is who you were looking for all along So good, obviously a throwback to her seeing Jon on the Castle Black battlements" I did wonder if that scene was lazy writing... Just switching things up to seem more surprising, but still be easy.
DoofDoof 05.01.19	Also the ice dragon was fucked up and leaking blue fire through a gouge in its neck when it crashed into the Winterfell courtyard - hence it wasn’t ‘shooting straight’ when it was firing at Jon - very obvious on second viewing. At the very least it’s neat seeing the thing out of control, dangerous death throes That’s why they made a big thing of Drogon gouging it in the throat in the mid air dogfight.
DoofDoof 05.01.19	I def think Mel turns up expecting to be helping Jon fulfil the prophecy - until she sees Arya Ok, why hasn't she seen different in the flames before then you could say - but the flames seem a bit vague and unreliable going by past experience I think it works for the Mel, Jon and Arya arcs well that this girl she bumped into before and saw something in her eyes but she wasn't sure what ends up revealing her true self/purpose to her later :/
CosmicPie 05.01.19	I swear, if they had some actual sword fighting with the Night King, it would've been perfect. Let 3 of the most popular badasses fight him at once... and have the Night King kicking all of their asses. And just before he finishes them off... have Arya fly in from nowhere for the kill.
outliers 05.01.19	https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bjjjjj/actual_footage_of_the_writers_after_episode_3/ this sums up the last episode quite perfectly
DominionMM1 05.01.19	well i’m pretty sure the guy who played the night king also did all of arthur dayne’s swordfighting scenes at the tower of joy so it would’ve been cool i’m actually surprised they never had the night king do any real fighting
DoofDoof 05.01.19	If Mel and Arya has had zero history Arya killing the NK would have been a bit lazy. But because they have a mysterious fleeting history I really like it now - the Arya scenes flow well second viewing
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	@gyro I dont care, they are both stunning moments in a shite movie. Nothing immediately comes to mind with this ep tho
CosmicPie 05.01.19	I'll have to watch it again. Still needed some Night King sword fighting in there. At least have Snow run in to protect Bran and fight the King for a while... just to show how wickedly formidable of a nemesis the Night King actually was on his own. They kind of just threw a pie in his face at the end.
CosmicPie 05.01.19	That's really my only major gripe about the episode. Other than that, I really dug it.
Kalopsia 05.01.19	a character we know nothing about (NK) gets killed by a character (Arya) with no ties to that character. seems like shitty writing to me. it'd be like Padme killing Darth Maul.
cvlts 05.01.19	I'm having a bit more appreciation for "The Long Night" after a couple more viewings. Not nearly as good as BOB, Hardhome, or Blackwater but definitely a great spectacle. Ramin Djawadi's score is incredible at times.
DominionMM1 05.01.19	“a character we know nothing about (NK) gets killed by a character (Arya) with no ties to that character.” well we do know the night king is essentially death incarnate so there is a connection there
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.01.19	Honestly, if bronn doesn't end up on the crown I'll flip a table.
DominionMM1 05.01.19	at this point i just want clegane bowl and some direwolves
thedoom 05.02.19	Jon marries Dany, Jaime marries Brienne, Tyrion marries Sansa, Grey Worm marries Missandei, Arya marries Gendry, Bronn gets a huge castle and everyone lives happy until the end of times. Seems like they are going for that kind of ending.
DoofDoof 05.02.19	'Jon marries Dany, Jaime marries Brienne, Tyrion marries Sansa, Grey Worm marries Missandei, Arya marries Gendry, Bronn gets a huge castle and everyone lives happy until the end of times. Seems like they are going for that kind of ending.' ^ yes, I am a tiny bit worried about this. I do get some slightly cheesy Return of the Jedi vibes about where we're headed. I did say we're in 'ewok territory' in the series and something that 'happy ending typical' could happen. Think the show producers (or maybe a cast member?) said the ending is 'bitter sweet' so I think (hope?) that would be too 'sweet sweet'
DoofDoof 05.02.19	'a character (Arya) with no ties to that character' The NK is the master of death. Arya's entire plot in Braavos is about death? The House of the Black and White? (this was the battle of black and white essentially) 'What do we say to the God of death (NK)?' etc Mel's entire purpose is to defeat darkness (the NK) and is looking for the one to do it - Mel has a connection with Arya from before, however small - so that's a second link. Bran has the most connection to the NK, Jon the second most and are both Arya's brothers - a third connection Your argument means really only Bran or Jon could have killed the NK and if either had done so the writers would def have been accused of being way too obvious. Also: there is going to be an origins show about the NK which will most likely answer everything you want to know about him but personally I like they've kept the mystery there in GoT. I never needed to know Sauron's favourite brand of potato chips and I think they show enough about the NK here to do the job :/
hal1ax 05.02.19	sauron strikes me as a chili cheese fritos kinda guy
DoofDoof 05.02.19	Definitely, he opens a bag and can't stop, has to eat the lot, and he eats them too fast - the chili play havoc with his acid reflux, why he's so angry
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.02.19	Did hbo hire you to defend their horrid plotlines?
anarchistfish 05.02.19	"a character we know nothing about (NK) gets killed by a character (Arya) with no ties to that character. seems like shitty writing to me." nah it's like arya had a purpose all along. I didn't mind the assassination itself, just that it happens 240 minutes before the end of the series
anarchistfish 05.02.19	it was always clear they would never win the war in a traditional way and it would require some kind of fuckery. I just thought they rushed it away too fast
DoofDoof 05.02.19	'Did hbo hire you to defend their horrid plotlines?' Just bringing balance to the force. 'nah it's like arya had a purpose all along. I didn't mind the assassination itself, just that it happens 240 minutes before the end of the series' If what follows in the next 240 minutes is more satisfyingly climactic then that choice will hopefully make a lot more sense. We shall see.
zakalwe 05.02.19	Just finished watching it. It was alright, thought a lot more people would’ve been offed. The inexplicably appearance of characters just popping up here and there was a bloody nonsense. I liked the assassination, it was kept simple.
Kalopsia 05.02.19	granted it's an armchair writer criticism, but i always imagined it would've made for an intriguing storyline to have a sort of three way battle towards the end between Jon/Dany vs Night King vs Cersi. (which they almost hinted at with the season 7 finale with that great meeting with everyone) an uneasy alliance between Jon/Dany and the Lannister armies, but with fun backstabbing and tricks with the push and pull of the white walker war. i dunno, maybe that's just asking too much. ship has sailed tho obvi
anarchistfish 05.02.19	"Just bringing balance to the force. " u know devil's advocate is situational. if you wanna rate this as a piece of spectacle like every sellout media platform then sure but you take this to any writing class and you can shit over it
anarchistfish 05.02.19	"but i always imagined it would've made for an intriguing storyline to have a sort of three way battle towards the end between Jon/Dany vs Night King vs Cersi. (which they almost hinted at with the season 7 finale with that great meeting with everyone)" i figured they thought it would be too complicated with the level of production (tho probably chatting out my ass idk), considering they had 4 80 minute episodes to produce. it's not armchair criticism if you understand why they simplified it. wonder how much that episode cost to make. probably as much as many big films
anarchistfish 05.02.19	or the chuckle brothers just aren't good writers
zakalwe 05.02.19	The characters have become bloody diluted in a ridiculously short period of time. I don’t care for any of ‘em. Hopefully the final scene will be Bran crawling onto the throne and giving it some eyeroll.
anarchistfish 05.02.19	even zak knows
DoofDoof 05.02.19	I watched it again yesterday and honestly I don't see the huge criticisms for how this episode was written. You have the same people moaning about the lighting - it's fine, watch on a good telly :/ 'The inexplicably appearance of characters just popping up here and there was a bloody nonsense.' You know I thought that, Jorah being the worst offender saving Dany last minute - but his previous scene you see him hear Drogon's call, acknowledge it and he instantly starts moving. How he evaded or battled his way to get there dunno, seems far fetched, but they at least show he had enough time to get there. Same with the assassination - Arya is running with intent when she leaves the room the scene before and probably kept running, at least she knows Winterfell better than most. Silliest bit is when the army of the dead fall and you have that battlement when only the six main characters are alive still standing there - and no one else. No other soldiers at all. Why not just put a few in there to make it a tiny bit more realistic? Especially when we know next episode there are the remnants of an army remaining to go on and fight again.
TheSpirit 05.02.19	i genuinely don't get the praise for BOTB, that to me was another uber-underwhelming battle for me, though I do like Hardhome. Arya killing the NK was FINE but it was just too early imo and despite the show being called GAME OF THRONES it's always felt like that came second fiddle to the threat of the NK/WW. Oh well, hopefully pots is right and the next few episodes will make it worth it.
DoofDoof 05.02.19	'The characters have become bloody diluted' Definite correlation with the fewer characters there are in King's Landing and the dilution of said characters
DoofDoof 05.02.19	'i genuinely don't get the praise for BOTB, that to me was another uber-underwhelming battle for me, though I do like Hardhome.' BotB is the most grim - Ramsey's sadism (even killing his own men) and just a close quarters trudge of death literally piling up. Think it worked. Hardhome I loved at the time but I think it'll feel like weak sauce in retrospect after watching this episode.
anarchistfish 05.02.19	"I watched it again yesterday and honestly I don't see the huge criticisms for how this episode was written." screenplay: fine dialogue & characterisation: lazy and insipid thematically with the rest of the series: ???
DoofDoof 05.02.19	dialogue - there's practically no dialogue though :/ characterisation - they're fighting and a couple die thematically - how was this not a follow on from Hardhome etc and the first scene in the first episode? I just get the feeling dialogue and characterisation were more things to criticise in the previous two episodes if you wanted to do that, as they were where the drama was centred in both
zakalwe 05.02.19	The scripts for the first few series must have made the producers shit themselves thinking how it was going to be financed. The scripts for the last few series have been written on the back of a fag packet with the producers not giving a shite as they now are sat on thrones made of gold.
anarchistfish 05.02.19	yes that would apply even more to the previous 2 episodes and season 7 also, but there was still plenty here. nothing felt particularly unexpected (apart from the death of the NK which has it's own issues, and feels weird contrasted with their blaisé hopelessness in the last episode). it was pretty by the numbers, and the script was missing the flourish that it's had in previous seasons. think about all the details and tones in the battles of the blackwater & the bastards. inc. one of my favourite scenes in the whole series: https://youtu.be/OeOZg_wlHnM?t=235 instead we got pretty inconsequential deaths, all classic backstabs, fan service callbacks (ugh that pointy end line was visible 5 miles away), and just a generally weird tone. i get it's a suicide mission but they just seem so weirdly casual about it. like if you didn't already know the characters there would be nothing here to make you interested in them. it would just be a run of the mill fantasy battle. it's just cos it's the finale of game of thrones that you can sort of make up for that
zakalwe 05.02.19	Who are the writers at the minute? Group of women probably.
DoofDoof 05.02.19	'seem so weirdly casual about it' I really didn't get that feeling at all 'if you didn't already know the characters there would be nothing here to make you interested in them' you could say that about any last chapter final battle sort of deal - compare this to the final battle in the Avengers Endgame where everyone is entirely defined by just their physical attributes and fighting style with even less dialogue or facial acting lol - 100% He-Man episode
zakalwe 05.02.19	John to continue to hang out the back of Dany Ginger to realise she’s lost the lot when Tyrion is offed by Cersei. Ginger to off Cersei. Throne to be charred by dragon as Bran become ruler because of his links to the old ones or whatever the fuck it is. That’ll do me.
DoofDoof 05.02.19	'Who are the writers at the minute? Group of women probably.' At least nothing as dopey as this featured in the episode. https://graziadaily.co.uk/life/tv-and-film/avengers-endgame-female-characters-scene/
zakalwe 05.02.19	Emotional, irrational and completely devoid of pragmatism. Send in the birds.
anarchistfish 05.02.19	i don't think i've seen a marvel film since guardians of the galaxy 1
anarchistfish 05.02.19	unless you count the last jedi
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.02.19	Doof are u okay tho
Kalopsia 05.02.19	Doofie are u okay? are u okay Doofie? tell us that ur okay, that ur okay Doofie
DoofDoof 05.02.19	Loving life, loving GoT, what's up?
Flugmorph 05.02.19	first two episodes where pretty meh, especially the dialogue was piss and even the acting was mediocre at times. ep 3 was a good time tho.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.02.19	i tried to rewatch the first two episodes to see if id think they were less shit and i made it to the dragon ride in episode 1 and shot myself in the fucking face so am a ghost now
CosmicPie 05.03.19	I can't even remember the first 2 episodes... really. The 3rd stands out because of how intense and brooding it was, but the first two I can hardly recall.
MusicinaBox 05.03.19	The first episode was really disappointing and slow but I thought the second episode set up the epic battle very well. Only complaints are all the main characters lived despite the buildup (I'm looking at you Greyworm).
Storm In A Teacup 05.03.19	I was convinced we would be seeing a dead Greyworm and a dead Missandei ant the end of the episode.
DominionMM1 05.03.19	rewatched the third episode and a lot of the visibility issues were gone
EoinCofa 05.03.19	When you rewatched it, did you see that Bran was less exciting than Rasin Bran
DominionMM1 05.03.19	bran hasn’t been exciting since jaime pushed him out of a window so it ain’t no thing at this point
hal1ax 05.03.19	hardhome was one of my fav episodes
EoinCofa 05.03.19	Haha! Just rewatched hardhome! My favorite! How cooll is it, when Jon Snow is standing in the boat (after fighting his ass off) and the Night King raises the dead? Outstanding!!!!
RadicalEd 05.03.19	hardhome was so good it almost made me forget the Dorne plotline in Season 5
Egarran 05.03.19	"i tried to rewatch the first two episodes to see if id think they were less shit and i made it to the dragon ride in episode 1 and shot myself in the fucking face so " Yeah now it's not just 'I have invested so much in this, might as well watch the last eps' is it?
hobblepot 05.03.19	there is a significant drop in quality after the shows writers were left to their own devices, but idc it's still entertaining
Egarran 05.03.19	Either you like the show, or you like hating it. It's a win-win for everyone.
hobblepot 05.03.19	i know the ending is going to disappoint me, but hey it’s been a fun ride
Kalopsia 05.03.19	not to beat the dead horse that is s8e3, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0 mauler with another clutch assessment
DoofDoof 05.03.19	He's not very clever but he is very angry
Kalopsia 05.03.19	by all means then, tell me where he's wrong
DoofDoof 05.03.19	Despite the show saying the plan was that Dany and Jon wouldn't isolate themselves to attack by the NK he suggests they do the dumb thing all dumb characters do in films and...you guessed it, intentionally split up An old hag witch we've never ever seen run should have sprinted to light the fire. He acts like they had weeks to prepare for the battle and unlimited resources and that you'd want your army knackered through digging enormous trenches in the worst winter for centuries etc that may or may not work He also acts like they knew the size of the force they'd face, how it would attack, etc. No, they went off Hardhome - they had the slightest of an idea. He says the writing has become predictable but he wanted Jon to kill the NK eventually He moans at fan fiction, explains what the series meant to him uniquely, then throws his toys out the pram how he would have written his fan fiction - which didn't sound promising He moans about the battle strategy but through gritted teeth says 'I suppose it looks good on camera' - well, yeah, this isn't supposed to be a textbook battle reenactment. How it looks is more important. Bloke is dense as Drogon's turd - just a Captain Hindsight who is upset because he had an idea of his perfect episode and it didn't match. Watch the Preston reviews, at least they're entertaining and Preston actually still loves the show despite his reservations.
zakalwe 05.03.19	‘Bloke is dense as Drogon's turd’ Fucking hell! LOL.
zakalwe 05.03.19	I have to admit I gave an audible ‘fuck off’ regarding that big blonde bird bouncing back. She was an absolute goner.
DoofDoof 05.03.19	Yeah, I do agree more should realistically have died. Why film them as 'totally fucked' when you can scale it back to 'they look pretty fucked but they could just about survive'. All major movies are the same - they don't get if you make it a little more realistic the audience feels a bit more jeopardy and suspense. But no - "one hero swamped by 7 enemies, that'll wake them up!" Six people on the Winterfell battlements at the end and they're all the main characters did make me chuckle. LOTR style nonsense but that's the stage we're into. This episode might be the peak of that though - see what they do with the rest. I have zero idea what they intend to do with three long episodes :/
Gyromania 05.03.19	if game of thrones season 8 is so good then why isn't there a game of thrones season 9? facts.
DoofDoof 05.03.19	Impeccable logic, you got em
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.03.19	Speaking of moaning doof
DoofDoof 05.03.19	Moaning at the moaners, dirty job, someone's gotta....when's the next episode? We need another episode. We're going all the way in this thread. I will continue to play devil's advocate to annoy the f'ck out of you all.
DoofDoof 05.03.19	Will be funny if I absolutely hate the next episode tho
zakalwe 05.03.19	Thinking about the characters I still like the blobby bloke. Blob to rule.
DoofDoof 05.03.19	Blobby bloke? Sam? Funny that the actress for Gilly looks like she's put on the weight the actor for Sam has lost - they've padded out his costumes so he now moves like he's wearing an inflatable sumo suit.
zakalwe 05.03.19	Blobby Bloke has been racking up the hours in the library so Mrs webbed toes has been tucking in. Bless her.
Gyromania 05.03.19	let's be real, the night king should have transformed into a demon king and jon, tyrion, jaime, arya, and cersei all should have died in that episode.
DoofDoof 05.03.19	The Night King should have flown to Braavos and opened an ISA with the Iron Bank - retreated north to chill for a couple hundred years then assemble the White Walker boys to pay off everyone into leaving Westeros. No bloodshed, no dramas, no plot holes. Imagine that last episode opened with the Night King sitting in the bank just like Stannis, Davos next to him - it would have been perfect. No one would have seen it coming.
Gyromania 05.03.19	indeed he should have. was so let down by this episode because there was no intellectual dialogue from him or his white walkers. surprised they didn't plan out a strategic attack. so fucking stupid.
DoofDoof 05.03.19	What voice would they have used for the NK? Imagine if by an unfortunate fluke it had ended up the same one as Detective Pikachu
Gyromania 05.03.19	bernie sanders
JeetJeet 05.03.19	"What voice would they have used for the NK?" Wesley Snipes
Egarran 05.03.19	*record scratch* *freeze frame* NK: "You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation."
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.03.19	You arent "playing the devils advocate" doof. Dont short-sell your fangasm.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.03.19	You can make sarcastic hyperbolic alternative plots but that's not what anyone was asking for. We just wanted was was done to be done better.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.03.19	God-forbid the show-runners be expected to maintain any semblance of the eloquence that once defined the series
zakalwe 05.03.19	It’s the author taking the piss I reckon and if so then fair fucks to the man.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.03.19	Well every aspect of the show has felt utterly ham-fisted since they ate up all the source material
Gyromania 05.03.19	writing is inarguably weaker, pacing is whack too, plus some seriously bad and inconsistent plotlines, but i still enjoy the spectacle of it. that's why i wasn't disappointed with that episode. the writing has been off for so long now, all i wanted was another huge battle with some cool set pieces and i got that.
Egarran 05.03.19	Reposting a nice argument from reddit "I honestly don’t get why people are trying to compare hack HBO screenwriters to GRRM who spent half his life creating this fantasy with multiple 1000+ page novels. Hollywood will almost ALWAYS overpromise and underdeliver with its writing compared to books. It’s why 9/10 times folks will say, “It’s not as good as the book,” when talking about screen adaptations. The first few seasons were great because they pull directly from the books and GRRM didn’t allow them to deviate from the source material. As time went on, that changed and now everyone is starting to see the glaring gap between 30+ years of writing from one of the best fantasy authors of the 20th century and a plot put together in the last 12-18 months."
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.03.19	Yeah
zakalwe 05.03.19	One minute it’s all rich plot lines and historical context, duplicitousness, believable twists and hair raising expectations of what’s next. As soon as the book was out the window it all went ‘Ho-l-Da-Dor’ and zombie rush.
DoofDoof 05.03.19	Pretty much what Gyro said The hyperbole about how bad this show has just become its own thing. No one is saying the series is as perfect as it was leading up to the Red Wedding. We were always going to get a battle against the White Walkers - this did a good enough job, made just enough sense to let the plot points pass, and I thought they spent the effects budget really well. Everyone acting like the show writers sodomised their mommas over this one is a little confusing as it really wasn't that different to Hardhome, the fight at Castle Black or BotB. I'd not noticed this level of reaction before. Fair enough. Fanboyism of the show ahead of fanboyism of the backlash community if I have to choose one.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.03.19	Well, congrats on being simple enough to not have the minutia of the show perverting the essence of what attracted you to the show to begin with. Ur lucky
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.03.19	A lot of people never would have been fans of the show to begin with without the great dialogue, charismatic characters, genuine shocks etc. Of course those people are upset
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.03.19	If you just picked up this show because it had fantastical dragons and magic and swordfights tthen I can see why you would still like this episode.
DoofDoof 05.03.19	This season has been a little bit better than the two that came before it so far so that's helping me on that. Will leave it a while then start from the beginning and see how obvious it is that it loses its essence series to series. I'm sure it does but the 'new show' that's slowly emerged, if you want to refer to it as that, has its moments. Still about the most entertaining big budget TV show I can think of.
Kalopsia 05.03.19	i wish i could buy into this retard level of "style over substance" and "hey wouldn't this be a cool visual" they're grifted towards, but as Pots said, that's not what drew me to the show in the first place
Kalopsia 05.03.19	"Everyone acting like the show writers sodomised their mommas over this one is a little confusing " there's a difference between being a fan and being a fanatic
Egarran 05.03.19	What if Pots is new to tv shows and only saw like Twin Peaks? That could explain his obsession.
Kalopsia 05.03.19	lol we should all have such high levels of expectations
Egarran 05.03.19	looool I found a video of doof: https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bkakhe/spoilers_my_favorite_reaction_from_that_scene_on/
anarchistfish 05.03.19	/r/gameofthrones is full of doofs
Gyromania 05.03.19	apparently we're retards, doof.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.03.19	His name IS doofus
anarchistfish 05.03.19	yh that double meaning was not unintentional sorry
anarchistfish 05.03.19	blame my english lit A level
anarchistfish 05.03.19	"The hyperbole about how bad this show has just become its own thing. " u realise I love this show right?? and like the rest of the world who also loves it I will enjoy shitting on and overanalysing it to anyone with at least 2 functioning senses
anarchistfish 05.03.19	why does everyone hate george lucas? cos he made the greatest piece of media of all time, too great for the bumbling nerd to then fully realise the astronomic expectations. but that doesn't make the prequels quality cinema, nor a good fit with the OT
zakalwe 05.03.19	What do people really not want to happen? The way Dany has gone overnight from being a true ruler to a mardy mare makes me think she’s for the chop which I would be most displeased with tbh.
anarchistfish 05.03.19	podrick on the throne
anarchistfish 05.03.19	idk if evil dany becomes canon at least it's not just northern goodies v southern baddies
DoofDoof 05.03.19	My reaction was like the video only I used the n word at least seven more times Do you think he's read the books?
zakalwe 05.03.19	Order of dissatisfaction Dany to die Cersei to rule Tyrion not offing Cersi Robson and Jerome bloke offing anyone Jon to off massive cadaver bloke Gold hand to revert back to being an arse Gold hand to do big blonde bird in the arse Jailbait to settle down with bastard Solid Geordie bloke to die
anarchistfish 05.03.19	jaime will off cersei
Kalopsia 05.03.19	Arya is the only one guaranteed not to die at this point. no way they're killing her off at this point. since everything is dumb now, i just want a big mountain vs hound fight then every other character can fuck off
zakalwe 05.03.19	I thought that witches soothsaying prophecy thing foretold Tyrion offing Cersei? I dunno it seems about 35yrs ago since I read the books or saw the episode that covered it.
anarchistfish 05.03.19	i think it said her brother and she never clocked it could be jaime
zakalwe 05.03.19	Ah. Nice.
anarchistfish 05.03.19	Kingslayer Part 2: Queenslayer
zakalwe 05.03.19	Gold hand to off Cadaver would be nice
Storm In A Teacup 05.03.19	Arya Stark is the Michael Jordan of Game of Thrones. She puts the Arya and puts the GOT in GOAT. Game of Arya's Thrones. She could wear the face of multiple Kings and Queens.
Storm In A Teacup 05.03.19	Ohhhhh, Queenslayer. lol
Storm In A Teacup 05.03.19	people are saying that surely the White Walkers will come back. there's only two things I see that can cause that. Either the dagger Arya uses is shattered and that somehow brings the Night King Back, or something about a dead man who came back to life like Jon Snow touching Bran's mark the original Night King put on him turns Jon Snow into a new Night King. I don't think either of those things will happen though.
Storm In A Teacup 05.03.19	mainly i'm just convinced that Tyrion's line "whatever they're paying, I'll always double it" will finally pay off and Bronn will demand double from Tyrion and switch sides!
CosmicPie 05.04.19	Bran is the Night King's horcrux.
Storm In A Teacup 05.04.19	Ready for a Jaime, Bronn, Tyrion spinoff show with our weekly regular special guests of Ser Breanne and Ser Pod.
Storm In A Teacup 05.04.19	also Tormund Giantsbane and Ser Davos must be regulars on this comedy gold mine of a spinoff
CosmicPie 05.04.19	I still have high hopes, to be honest. There's no way the main writers have been working with George for so long and not have any inclination of making something in a similar vein. I just can't believe we're all smarter than them. Not yet...
Egarran 05.04.19	They can still save it by surprising us with some twists that make everything in E3 genius... buuuuut it seems unlikely. It's always better to expect the worst. [look away now pots] That said, I hope they now go all in on the deus ex machina and have the Lord of Light and various other gods appear in a surreal mindblowing finale that will fundamentally change people and cause global discussions for years, ending up in humanity upgrading their metaphysics to something awesome. In ten years we will find ourselves in a Utopia beyond our wildest dreams, and we will know: "This is all thanks to the GoT finale."
JeetJeet 05.04.19	How do you guys not realize that the show is gonna end with Dany turning heel and taking the throne by killing Jon?
Egarran 05.04.19	That sounds like a bet to me. You gotta risk something if you are so sure. For example, if GoT doesn't end like I expect above, I will support pots totally in his tireless crusade against this show.
JeetJeet 05.04.19	If GoT doesnt end like I expect then I will eat Pot's ass while cosplaying as George RR Martin
zakalwe 05.04.19	The books definitely allude to a bigger battle going on being waged by the Gods which has been completely bypassed by the tele version.
Egarran 05.04.19	"If GoT doesnt end like I expect then I will eat Pot's ass while cosplaying as George RR Martin" Woah, you're ON.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.04.19	I dont need ur support. I do need my ass ate.
anarchistfish 05.04.19	"I just can't believe we're all smarter than them." ur not, u just don't have to actually carry it out
EoinCofa 05.04.19	I’m kinda thinking muder/suicide for the twins, like Jaime will poison Cersei and then partake in the poison too. I really hope Yara takes out Euron. The saddest thought for me is losing another dragon; I’m thinking that’s probably going to happen though. Nothing better happen to Sansa, she’s damaged goods I know but I look forward to seeing her gorgeous face and when this is all over I will probably take her to the Shire and wed her.
hal1ax 05.04.19	sansa is insufferable. she needs to die
TheMightyScoop 05.04.19	not season 8 related but I thought killing off oberin early was a bad call. I felt he was one of the most interesting characters on the show
EoinCofa 05.04.19	How dare you! @hal1ax
anarchistfish 05.04.19	eh. oberyn was a caricature who happened to want to kill the lannisters as much as we did
zaruyache 05.05.19	killing oberyn in the books causes a bit of other stuff (yet unrealized) to happen with the Sand Snakes, so it was necessary to happen then. anyway his story was about grief and hubris so keeping him alive wouldn't have been poetically satisfying.
TheMightyScoop 05.05.19	ah, I'll admit I never read the books. I just really liked oberyn for whatever reason lol
anarchistfish 05.05.19	everyone loved oberyn. including me now that i remember how much i wanted to murder grrm when i saw that happen
Faraudo 05.05.19	Just saw episode 3 for the second time, without all the hype and emotion that transpired the first time, and I gotta say that it's one of the best GoT episodes ever. It's not perfect by any means, but it's a great hour and a half of television.
Storm In A Teacup 05.05.19	Oberyn Martell is the greatest Inigo Montoya ever.
CosmicPie 05.05.19	"ur not, u just don't have to actually carry it out" I'd be a bit surprised if they weren't in regular contact with George to discuss ideas... but maybe not, who knows.
anarchistfish 05.05.19	apparently new ep has leaked but no dl
anarchistfish 05.05.19	760mb file is all over piratebay im going in boys
anarchistfish 05.05.19	fake. abort
anarchistfish 05.05.19	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W__iws9iME didn't even know NK isn't in novels
anarchistfish 05.06.19	dont tell me u pricks are burnt out ep 4 spoilers from here on out
anarchistfish 05.06.19	ok so far it's just the mourning of all our favourite irrelevant characters
anarchistfish 05.06.19	oh wow that's a lot of irrelevant characters
anarchistfish 05.06.19	tormund fans cry
anarchistfish 05.06.19	what happened to dragons are OP
anarchistfish 05.06.19	how do they know she was captured
zaruyache 05.06.19	they probably got a raven or messenger i'm guessing. dragons are supposed to be OP but this is actually something I find hard to deal with in fantasy--the lack of technological progress. And the whole "we figured out how to make crossbows BIGGER wowowow" idea really kinda addresses that. Dragons are only OP when people don't spend a few minutes figuring out how to kill them.
Gyromania 05.06.19	I think the most shocking thing from that GoT episode was how shockingly dogshit the streaming quality was. Thanks Crave.
MusicinaBox 05.06.19	Jamie or Bronn nearly took out one of the dragons in an earlier episode with the same weapon so I don't think thats as far fetched since they surprised her. But why are we going back to the fast travel shit again? Wasn't that one of the biggest complaints for season 7? And why the fuck is Jamie skipping town to go help his psychotic sis after (nearly) fully redeeming himself? Some shit was really poorly done too. The delivery to Sansa and Arya of John's lineage? Why?
trilo 05.06.19	someone please never let emilia clarke ever act again oh my lord
Gyromania 05.06.19	Agreed, that cutaway was dumb, obviously we wanted to see their reactions. Jaime is either planning to assassinate Cersei (which I hope is the case) or he's delusional. Tyrion's judgement is actually fucking terrible wtf. Some good stuff for sure tho. He and Varys had a great scene. Love the Jon Snow/Tormund bromance.
MusicinaBox 05.06.19	Yeah the Tyrion and Varys scene was the best part of the episode along with the dragon death which I was not expecting at all. Danny is going full Mad Queen with a quickness.
JeetJeet 05.06.19	Big Dick Euron slaying dragons wheewwwwww
Gyromania 05.06.19	Lol my pos tablet deleted my comment. Fuck me. Summary: Varys is awesome and killed that scene and Crave is fucking garbage
Skoj 05.06.19	that was the worst episode in the entire series, and I'm convinced D&D totally fucking misunderstood the books.
anarchistfish 05.06.19	Yh pacing was weird Some good scenes. Some contrived scenes too
EoinCofa 05.06.19	I don’t know why Cersei just didn’t take out Dany, Drogon, Greyworm and the little army they had at the gates.
MusicinaBox 05.06.19	^ True
Rolling Girl 05.06.19	That was a good episode. I thought for sure Grey worm was gonna die somehow before Missandei nor did I expect another dragon in this episode but w/e
Scoot 05.06.19	am i crazy or is that the single most disappointing thing ever
trilo 05.06.19	it was awful i like how a few minutes before dany's dragon dies they're talking about euron's fleet and then in the behind the episode the writers say she 'forgot' about them. how the fuck
Skoop 05.06.19	Daenerys and Euron kids be like https://lesterandcharlie.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/clockwork-orange-eyes.jpg
Wildcardbitchesss 05.06.19	Missandeis death has me shook af There isn’t a single person that expected her to bite it before grey worm. I feel so bad for that cockless bastard : (
hal1ax 05.06.19	ah man it's hot in here *removes coat* jeez that fire is still raging *takes shirt off* hmm yep still hot *pulls dick out*
TheSpirit 05.06.19	Terrrrrrible episode, this shit doesn’t even feel like game of thrones anymore
hal1ax 05.06.19	"I don’t know why Cersei just didn’t take out Dany, Drogon, Greyworm and the little army they had at the gates." yea.. this wasn't making sense to me either. she had like 30 turrets pointed at them. she also isn't really one for etiquette or diplomacy so..
unclereich 05.06.19	Trash episode worst in a long ass time. The loss of the dragon was so egregious i wanted to turn the tv off. The gay speech midget guy gave his sister. Youre kidding me right you think this is going to work? Why no take a risk if youre a GOT writer and kill danny off at the end there ala the red wedding
unclereich 05.06.19	Missandeis death has me shook af Really i couldnt care less and could have called that from a mile away. I bet the writers thought that everyone of us retards that still watch this garbage would be “shook”, im left with a feeling of wanting to punch myself in the face for expecting something ANYTHING interesting to happen
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	Lmao
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	Cannot wait to read doofs novel on how misunderstood this ep was
unclereich 05.06.19	Where can i get my name changed?
unclereich 05.06.19	Fourthfourth
Faraudo 05.06.19	Guess I really like bad shit, because I enjoyed this episode quite a lot.
rockandmetaljunkie 05.06.19	I'm just celebrating Cersei's victory. Hope she triumphs in the end.
Prancer 05.06.19	after last week's disaster this episode was about as good as it could have been. the show's been ruined ever since that stupid beyond the wall mission from last season.
LOVEANDACCEPTANCE 05.06.19	look epic dragon show and the people fight and do mid evil things and it's super cool but what the fuck is a well written plotline duduuuuurrrrrrrrr
SpiritCrusher2 05.06.19	I was hoping there would be something enlightening about brann, night king, prophecies, idk at least something regarding what I thought was the main plot of the whole series, to atone for the last episode, but nooooooo. like I don't even care who wins anymore. I hate Cersei with all my heart, but honestly the "good guys" are obviously too dumb to even deserve winning this shit.
Black Ink 05.06.19	How do you think Dany takes her coffee?
RadicalEd 05.06.19	tbh... I'm surprised that THIS is the episode where everybody seems to jump ship. Yes the way Daenerys lost her 2nd dragon was stupid. But it's been no less stupid than the way she lost her first dragon or how they killed the Lannister army in season 7 and everyone seemed to be fine with it then. And aside from that (huge) flaw, I thought this was the first episode in the season that actually felt somewhat like an episode of Game of thrones. First 20 minutes of post-war mourning, drinking and celebrating were a bit slow, but had some decent scenes. (The Funeral scene was bad though, Emilia Clark can't sell sad and it was hillarious that the writers thought we care about Lianna Mormont or Flaming Sword Dude) But from here they actually kinda picked up the pieces and built some drama at least. Some of the writing was actually game of thrones level, especially the Tyrion/Varys and the Tyrion-Jamie/Bron scene. But even the Tyrion/Sansa scene or the Stark Family scene were a remarkable improvement over the clishee-dispensers of the last episodes. No I don't think the mad-queen angle is the one book-daenerys will take, (provided the books will ever be finished) but I think they gave us enough clues in the last seasons to make that angle at least plausible. Pacing is obviously pretty insane and we're just teleporting around the seven kingdoms willy-nilly at this point, but oh well it has been like that for 3 seasons and at least it's not as fucking boring as the last 3 episodes.
RadicalEd 05.06.19	"after last week's disaster this episode was about as good as it could have been. the show's been ruined ever since that stupid beyond the wall mission from last season." I'd say it's already been pretty much ruined since the Battle of the Bastards, but otherwise agreed.
SpiritCrusher2 05.06.19	I enjoyed this episode more than the last 3, I'd always choose even 5 minutes of quality got drama over a 1.5 hour long battle, but I'm still so disappointed with the plot and the writing
SpiritCrusher2 05.06.19	since arya is obviously so cool and powerful and able to kill everyone, they should've just sent her to kill cersei and be done with it. if she was able to sneak past all those white walkers and kill the night king, I don't think she'd have much trouble with this.
SpiritCrusher2 05.06.19	seriously tho, I think Jamie will do it
outliers 05.06.19	do the writers actually think we're stupid enough to believe that cersei would let her biggest enemy (with the last remaining dragon) chill within range of a line of ballistas/archers and not wipe them out then and there?
JeetJeet 05.06.19	Paranoid Dany looked so hot this episode lol I was like "Yeaaaa baby das right dont trust these niggas"
SpiritCrusher2 05.06.19	I don't remember when was the last time Tyrion actually had an idea that's not dumb af
JeetJeet 05.06.19	@outliers I mean this was a parley. Although Cersei not killing them all seems completely unlike her character. She'd be the first to say fuck the rules of engagement and have them all annihilated right then and there
RadicalEd 05.06.19	"do the writers actually think we're stupid enough to believe that cersei would let her biggest enemy (with the last remaining dragon) chill within range of a line of ballistas/archers and not wipe them out then and there?" yeah that scene demonstrated how far the Show is actually removed from it's early seasons. Now it's just standard hollywood fantasy shlock where things just happen because they are kinda cool. We needed Danny to see how Cersei killed Mell, so they can up the stakes. So they just pretend like cersei isn't completely rutheless and respects some rules of engagements, which is totally out of character for someone who has destroyed half of kings landing with wildfire.
EoinCofa 05.06.19	^you meant Missy not Mell right?
zaruyache 05.06.19	"seriously tho, I think Jamie will do it" it has to be one of her brothers as the prophecy foretold yeah. It's so obvious with him dramatically deciding to ride down :/ Now we expect it, instead of him less dramatically deciding to ride down with everyone else. His whole bit about always going back to Cercei pretty much ruined all the intrigue there.
Kalopsia 05.06.19	"I don’t know why Cersei just didn’t take out Dany, Drogon, Greyworm and the little army they had at the gates." I've seen some people defend this as that Cersei like to let her enemies suffer slowly... sooooo i guess this?
Kalopsia 05.06.19	so Cersei is now equivalent to a James Bond villain pausing and explaining their whole plan before killing the hero, just to give the hero enough time to escape and win.
hal1ax 05.06.19	cersei from the books would have never allowed that to happen. all she cares about is retaining power. i can't imagine her deliberately making a tactical lapse so as to capitulate to some reckless sadist impulse
Pangea 05.06.19	Yeah cersei not killing them there didn't make sense outside of plot convience. The bronn scene was silly as well. Other than that, this episode was fine. It was nice that varys and tyrion were somewhat useful again
Kalopsia 05.06.19	Cersei could have sent Missandrai head in a box and gotten the same reaction from Dany. instead of having her watch, then just letting Dany go run off the regroup. all these characters are so fucking dumb now it's embarrassing.
Pangea 05.06.19	Honestly i wasn't annoyed about the dragon death scene until d&d explained that dany just forgot about the iron fleet in that scene. How tf can you forget about that
EoinCofa 05.06.19	^Let’s get something straight: Missandei (Missy) was beheaded. Melisandre (Mel or Mell) took herself out in the previous episode @RadicalEd & Kalopsia
outliers 05.06.19	it's easy to forget about the iron fleet. it's not like they were ambushed by them before /eyeroll
Kalopsia 05.06.19	Eoincofa you are correct. sorry. it's getting hard to tell all these inconsequential and boring characters apart from one another nowadays
RadicalEd 05.06.19	"^Let’s get something straight: Missandei (Missy) was beheaded. Melisandre (Mel or Mell) took herself out in the previous episode @RadicalEd & Kalopsia" Sure, switched the names around for some weird reason. "it's easy to forget about the iron fleet. it's not like they were ambushed by them before /eyeroll" This same thing happened in the Battle of the Bastards and with the Battle between the dothraki and the Lannisters. Armys and Fleets just appear without any notice since D and D have complete control.
Gyromania 05.06.19	omg boys we're approaching the 1000 comment mark! make it a good one!
guitarded_chuck 05.06.19	show writers go off the author's storyline and it immediately turns to shit, mindblowing stuff
EclipseInYourEyes 05.06.19	not a GoT fan but I will just leave this here cuz it's funny: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/may/06/coffee-is-coming-fans-spot-starbucks-cup-in-game-of-thrones?
anarchistfish 05.06.19	No watchers in GoT, and apparently flying doesn't help in that regard either
Gyromania 05.06.19	bronn's character regression is seriously lame as fuck imo. he went from being an honourless cutthroat to a friend of tyrion and jaime, back to an untrustworthy pos who only cares about money. i thought that scene was rly disappointing. he always acted like all he cared about was coin and whores but i thought it was somewhat of a jest... kinda like how the hound acts like he doesn't give a shit about anyone or anything but he clearly cares about arya and sansa. just assumed bronn put on a bit of a facade but nope, he really is just a loathsome cunt. yay.
outliers 05.06.19	yeah that bronn scene was incredibly ham handed
anarchistfish 05.06.19	I thought bronn scene was ok but then he's just like ok cya later then. And the classic teleporting
Gyromania 05.06.19	did you want to see him ride back to king's landing?
JeetJeet 05.06.19	Man fuck that Bron's scene was awesome.
anarchistfish 05.06.19	2 week journey just to have a 5 min convo where he's like aight maybe kill u guys later. Yh felt a bit weird. Overall probably the best moments of dialogue of the season this ep but there's still structure issues
EoinCofa 05.06.19	Bronn can’t be on the same set as Cersei. So D&D just said “f it, let’s just throw him in at winterfell”
anarchistfish 05.06.19	Didn't they literally meet this season or was it Qyburn
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'"I don’t know why Cersei just didn’t take out Dany, Drogon, Greyworm and the little army they had at the gates." I've seen some people defend this as that Cersei like to let her enemies suffer slowly... sooooo i guess this?' I think the idea is she wants to bait Dany into going mad (like her father), totally waste all her forces before Jon arrives and then she only has 25% of each to destroy at one time. Plus Dany attacking KL will get the people behind Cercei. I think she's identified Dany as the liability. She didn't kill Tyrion so he gets the chance to see his side lose. These aren't hard plot concepts people, geez "it's easy to forget about the iron fleet. it's not like they were ambushed by them before /eyeroll" The minute she said she wanted to attack quick that was it - had to be by ship. There aren't unlimited horses and the unsullied don't do horses as far as I know. The only place she could realistically attack from quickly was Dragonstone. That's why everyone tried to talk her out of it. It was risky - she doesn't care, she thinks dragons can't be defeated by fleets. Her experience is she burns fleets easy with dragons...but they had developed ship based anti dragon weapons. She underestimated Euron and Qyburn. It was a decent surprise as far as I'm concerned. Obviously if you want to be Captain Obvious and say 'of course ships would now come with anti dragon weapons' well...eh, big pat on the back
DoofDoof 05.06.19	Varys and Tyrion scene in the large hall was absolute gold. The dragon going down like bosh was absolute gold. Thought this episode was close to top form GoT have to say.
TheSpirit 05.06.19	jfc no
trilo 05.06.19	ah the ole "y'all just don't GET IT" defense
DoofDoof 05.06.19	well these arguments people are making are...erm, not bright?
BreakfastCat 05.06.19	how'd Bronn get in anyway
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'how'd Bronn get in anyway' I think the idea by now, having had him sneak into the Dorne palaceand various other places - is he's quite handy at it. Plus he waited until 90% of people were drunk inside Winterfell. Damn, you lot are a tough crowd...
EoinCofa 05.06.19	this Is probably way off but I think there will be a Thunder (or flock) of Dragons in the next episode. That’s right!!!!
DoofDoof 05.06.19	Thinking of previous failed fan theories - imagine the Night King had flown to KL and either Euron had sunk him to the bottom of the unforgiving ocean or he got pummelled by a thousand anti dragon spears lmao That smirk quickly removed
DoofDoof 05.06.19	I think the idea with this episode is Cercei could ambush Jon or Dany, or even try both...but she chooses to provoke Dany. This is key. She thinks Dany hates all Lannisters, can lose her temper like her father and go rogue. Missendei was an added bonus to push her over the edge. Just killing Dany risks uniting new forces to Jon. Dany flame grilling some civvies makes everyone turn against the dragon queen invader. She kills her before Jon arrives - and he then faces Cercei knowing half his forces are gone and everyone's uniting around Cercei. Then she kills Jon. Then she makes sure her brothers are dead, knowing they lost. Then she makes everyone else bend the knee or executes them up north. Then she probably kills off Euron...! This seems like her ideal plan to me.
Tundra 05.06.19	Episode 4 was pretty great imo, liked more than Episode 3 honestly
trilo 05.06.19	i did too but only because ep 3 is total garbage
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	Doof u should write for GoT, you'd be just as terrible
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	Everyone in this thread could write a better season 8 except doof who would write an even worse one somehow
outliers 05.06.19	"Her experience is she burns fleets easy with dragons...but they had developed ship based weapons. She underestimated Euron and Qyburn. It was a decent surprise as far as I'm concerned." yes Euron being able to shoot a target moving 50-100 mph from the distance he was at with his first shot without being seen was incredibly surprising....and lazy
outliers 05.06.19	"Just killing Dany risks uniting new forces to Jon." also please elaborate
anarchistfish 05.06.19	the presentation was just really awkward and contrived. missandei's kidnapping was the worst offender in that regard
anarchistfish 05.06.19	isn't the prophecy that jon will kill dany anyway
Gyromania 05.06.19	some big time character regression in this episode for sure, and dumb plot conveniences like people noted about cersei choosing to not just kill them all right there and then when she had the chance. verys and tyrion stole the show though. tyrion's naivety is honestly hard to wrap my head around though. i mean you have to suspend some disbelief when seeing what a bad judge of character he is, based on how brilliant he was in earlier seasons. loved to see varys so convicted though. he used to be a somewhat strong player in the game and these later seasons have made him seem pretty useless. this episode rectified that a bit.
anarchistfish 05.06.19	Even /r/gameofthrones is shitting on it and it's the biggest fanboy of the show normally
anarchistfish 05.06.19	Last 2 episodes have been best Tyrion episodes in a while but yeah he's been an idiot ever since they passed the books
anarchistfish 05.06.19	This all started with that contrived kidnapping a wight plot which ended up having barely any effect anyway
outliers 05.06.19	god that beyond the wall ep was so bad
DominionMM1 05.06.19	this episode was just...ugh I mean I know the writers are taking away dany’s assets to make the coming showdown more “fair” but it seems like they’re giving little thought on how to do it. a pirates of the caribbean character with Big Crossbow? Fuck off
anarchistfish 05.06.19	It feels very...video gamey
Gyromania 05.06.19	what?
Gmork89 05.06.19	Euron is such a worthless underdeveloped character.
anarchistfish 05.06.19	narratively, in terms of screenplay. kinda just there without the subtlety. the forced and ham handed exposition you often get in cutscenes. the way I see it is still this way: not only did they have to close out one of the biggest TV shows of all time and probably the most technologically ambitious, they're doing it blind as an adaptation of an unfinished saga that was written as a fuck you to adaptation. so considering their understandable inadequacies in fulfilling that as writers and staying in budget and on schedule at the same time, they thought fuck it and just went go for the big spectacle of everything crashing and burning. hence the shorter more movie like season format and that dead dragon that just saved another few million bucks
TheSpirit 05.06.19	"tyrion's naivety is honestly hard to wrap my head around though. i mean you have to suspend some disbelief when seeing what a bad judge of character he is, based on how brilliant he was in earlier seasons. loved to see varys so convicted though. he used to be a somewhat strong player in the game and these later seasons have made him seem pretty useless. this episode rectified that a bit." I feel this, but i'm not sure it's Tyrion being naive as much as wanting to believe in Daenerys despite what he is seeing. I think he'll eventually go along with whatever Varys concocts (if it gets to that point) But also, they have really fucked up Tyrion so who knows, he really could just be that fucking naive at this point. I just don't get why the show keeps treating Jon Snow like some viable king option when he is some dullard, fence-sitting bitch with absolutely no knack for politics or ruling whatsoever. The whole unwavering sense of honor thing about him is so fucking annoying at this point, like dude c'mon. If you don't want the throne, keep your fucking mouth shut. If you don't want the throne, don't tell Sansa who you know hates Daenerys. They try and portray him as charismatic and it's like ... didn't he have a mutiny led against him 3 season ago? This bullshit has literally killed him already. #sansaforqueen
TheSpirit 05.06.19	And yeah Euron sucks. Typical cowardly bad guy who somehow ends up portrayed as a "badass" despite having not earned it whatsoever.
anarchistfish 05.06.19	" I think he'll eventually go along with whatever Varys concocts (if it gets to that point)." I mean man just risked his life to make Cersei back down. Quite liked that segment with him and Qyburn. He's desperate but ends up sounding like a tyrant and Qyboi is just eating it up.
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'Everyone in this thread could write a better season 8 except doof who would write an even worse one somehow' Hyperbole reaching 100%
TheSpirit 05.06.19	still more believable than euron's fleeting sneaking up on a dragon
anarchistfish 05.06.19	yeah that was just...comical
anarchistfish 05.06.19	im glad im not the only one who thought varys and tyrion were best scenes can't help but feel littlefinger woulve made a big difference and made things more interesting
Pangea 05.06.19	the varys and tyrion scenes were great. I like that they seem to get a purpose in the story again.
Gyromania 05.06.19	i'd like to see doof and pots fight irl
DominionMM1 05.06.19	i honestly believe the writers would’ve had no idea what to do with littlefinger
anarchistfish 05.06.19	yh they dum dum
anarchistfish 05.06.19	big cinematographic but not actually movie quality set pieces > intriguing narrative
anarchistfish 05.06.19	money talks baby
LoLifant 05.06.19	new to this thread because there is nothing to discuss about. everyone with more than 3 braincells understands why dumb & dumber completely ruined the show
DominionMM1 05.06.19	hoping for a tormund/ghost adventures spinoff at this point
DominionMM1 05.06.19	“new to this thread because there is nothing to discuss about. everyone with more than 3 braincells understands why dumb & dumber completely ruined the show” to be fair the logistics of making this show made it damn near impossible for the high quality of the first 4 seasons to continue on.
unclereich 05.06.19	“i'd like to see doof and pots fight irl Two soy boys nah they have a batter chance of making out
anarchistfish 05.06.19	ugh i should just start reading again
Pangea 05.06.19	One small thing that bothers me in the recent episodes is the constant callbacks to earlier dialogue, like the "thats not me" with arya. I don't mind a few references here and there but i feel like the show is constantly reminding us of the earlier better seasons
anarchistfish 05.06.19	oh yh totally. arya dialogue is the worst offender. and man i just knew missandei was gonna shout dracarys like cmon man, no subtlety
DominionMM1 05.06.19	i felt absolutely nothing when missy lost her head
DoofDoof 05.06.19	This episode made Varys, Dany and Tyrion (plus maybe Jaime) much more interesting. For that alone this was a good episode - I couldn't handle Varys just croaking and saying nothing, plotting nothing
Pangea 05.06.19	I agree doof
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'still more believable than euron's fleeting sneaking up on a dragon' yeah, need to watch again to see where they were 'hidden'
DominionMM1 05.06.19	according to benioff dany just plain forgot about euron and his fleet like WHAT?
Pangea 05.06.19	yeah mentioned it earlier in the thread but the 'explaination' makes the scene 10x worse as it actually was
rockandmetaljunkie 05.06.19	Just saw the episode. Honestly, it wasn't as bad as people claim it is. It just moves the plot so quick that some scenes don't make that much sense. But that's what happens when you've got only 6 episodes to wrap up such a huge storyline.
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'according to benioff dany just plain forgot about euron and his fleet like WHAT?' Surprised he said that - I would have thought against any other fleet two dragons would have wiped them out. Any fleet not prepared for two dragons would have been toast. I just thought she didn't think anything in the oceans could hurt her dragons, she'd wiped out whole fleets before in the series. She wasn't prepared for a fleet...prepared to actually take down dragons. I guess she's also behaving rashly and arrogantly based on impatience and righteous anger. She's not trusting her advisors - Jorah was really the only one she trusted on tactics. Grey worm? Guess the lad knows nothing about boats lol
Rowhaus 05.06.19	Deneres is the most petulant two-faced hypocrite I've ever seen. Go Cersi!
anarchistfish 05.06.19	she had faced those things before though, and various other projectiles idk they just build up how super these dragons are then just dumpster them, although i didn't mind the wight dragon. in the end the dragons seem pretty hollow as a theme
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'according to benioff dany just plain forgot about euron and his fleet like WHAT?' yeah you took that out of context - he says she's forgotten her enemies will be making plans to deal with her (and the dragons), not that she literally forgot about the fleet. She's forgotten to treat them as a genuine threat. She's arrogant. She still thinks the dragons are a 'nuclear option'. That makes more sense lol
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'idk they just build up how super these dragons are then just dumpster them, although i didn't mind the wight dragon. in the end the dragons seem pretty hollow as a them' the strongest dragon....lives? Jumping the gun a bit here. I guess the two queens both losing their 'children' connects them a bit - maybe a heavy handed theme? Drogon's skull is def ending up with the others in King's Landing you'd think :/
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'she had faced those things before though, and various other projectiles' I think the idea is that the enemy had been preparing and developing different weapons and strategies the projectile weapons were improved beyond anything Dany had faced before Qyburn is a sort of forgotten character/threat on this show - he's quite the little f'cker, getting the Lannister's kitted out, zombie hulk warriors and new weaponry etc
anarchistfish 05.06.19	well it would've been nice to see that then cos we didn't even see king's landing for about 2 hours of the show
anarchistfish 05.06.19	i know they mentioned it last season but the execution just feels off man im sorry
anarchistfish 05.06.19	they'll remake the last 2 seasons as a 3 part movie trilogy in like a decade otherwise capitalism is worthless
DoofDoof 05.06.19	You wanted to see them specifically training and building weapons? I think a bit of mystery is alright? They've clearly been trying to develop them since they heard about dragons because they had a prototype version when the Lannister's got scorched by Dany before I just think a montage of the Lannisters getting reading with a smirking Qyburn going through the ins and outs of this new weapon he's built would be a bit unnecessary. Esp as he gave Bronn his crossbow already, would be like an evil Q out of James Bond. I think it worked - think most people in this thread thought dragons are largely invincible. It was a shock when it went down in three shots. Worked for me, pretty visceral way of saying Dany no longer has the ultimate advantage - in her mind Jon has screwed her big time, her weapons are useless now as they gave their enemy the luxury of time.
Gyromania 05.06.19	doof will you fight pots in real life? a bare knuckle fight? i can arrange it and maybe we can sell some tickets for the event, put it towards a charitable cause or something. i think the turnout would be decent.
DoofDoof 05.06.19	Pots is my hero and they say you should never meet your heroes irl
Flugmorph 05.06.19	lmao its so baaaaaaaaad
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	I wouldnt fight doof sorry hes my step dad
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	I havent actually read anything hes said about this episode yet I can just see that hes saying things which is problematic on its own
unclereich 05.06.19	Canadians dont fight
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	Canadians are trash, of course we fight. Theres like 5 of us total and 3 and a half of those five are goat fucking red necks
DominionMM1 05.06.19	“I think it worked - think most people in this thread thought dragons are largely invincible. It was a shock when it went down in three shots. Worked for me, pretty visceral way of saying Dany no longer has the ultimate advantage - in her mind Jon has screwed her big time, her weapons are useless now as they gave their enemy the luxury of time.” i mean given the fact that we’re constantly reminded that aegon conquered the entire continent with a few of them them yeah. and to have one taken down by Big Crossbow at the hands of fucking euron is just...underwhelming
Egarran 05.06.19	MFW when the best show of all time becomes an average sitcom drama /:
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	It was never even close to being the best show of all time but it did become.... something else
Flugmorph 05.06.19	yeah the title for best show still goes to evangelion
unclereich 05.06.19	Canadians smoke loud
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	True we are very proud about letting our terrible government control and tax marijuana sales
DoofDoof 05.06.19	If you couldn't enjoy Varys saying to Tyrion he might stick a (real?) knife in her back because he doesn't trust she'll make a good ruler I think you have lost your GoT love entirely. That scene was one I'd been hoping for all season - Varys planning to off Dany. He's my fave turncoat. Something extra sinister about him creeping about doing things with 'honourable intentions'. Wish Little Finger was still knocking about too but at least we seem to have Tyrion and Varys back.
Egarran 05.06.19	it was ever even close to being a terrible government yeah now you see what it's like
unclereich 05.06.19	Varys wont do shit he probably dies before danny
DominionMM1 05.06.19	yeah the varys scenes were by far the best ones in this ep
DominionMM1 05.06.19	i miss tywin
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'Varys wont do shit he probably dies before danny' Didn't say he had to succeed for it to be interesting :/ There's a set up now - something will come of it. I know not what. This is good.
Flugmorph 05.06.19	varys is the only character i can sympathize with at this point
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	@egarran too bad you couldn't even get the sentence right
unclereich 05.06.19	Of course it has to succeed as that would actually make this train wreck of a season interesting otherwise its pointless fodder
DoofDoof 05.06.19	This was prob my favourite episode of this season. The feast was gloriously uncomfortable. You could really feel the paranoia from Dany. Her desperate attempt to become beloved of her people with the Gendry stunt. The Jaime/Tormund/Brienne triangle became drunk and creepy. Loved it.
DominionMM1 05.06.19	there’s still clegane bowl so at least there’s that
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'Of course it has to succeed as that would actually make this train wreck of a season interesting otherwise its pointless fodder' he may set something in motion but he might not live to see it through - the two aren't mutually exclusive :/
unclereich 05.06.19	The backstabbing character talking about backstabbing doesn’t exactly tickle my fancy
DoofDoof 05.06.19	to paraphrase the man himself "fuck clegane bowl"
unclereich 05.06.19	There is so little time for anything truly nuanced or interesting to happen that may be my biggest problem currently
thedoom 05.06.19	Just watched the episode. Absolute garbage.
trilo 05.06.19	"he says she's forgotten her enemies will be making plans to deal with her (and the dragons), not that she literally forgot about the fleet." this is a pointless distinction. how do you forget your enemies plan to deal with you? you have all the top strategists available to you and you forget the other half of your enemy - whose literal army is a friggin' naval fleet - might attack you. y'know the same guy who has ambushed before. i'm not even addressing the absurdity of having two dragons unable to notice a fleet way in advance. you can say 'well she's arrogant' but if that's the case then why does she do any planning at all? hell, the scene could have been way better if she had noticed the fleet and decided to attack them thinking she could win and then losing the ships/dragon. THAT would showcase arrogance. instead she comes across as completely inept and your suspension of disbelief is in shambles. but hey they sUbVeRtEd OuR eXpEcTaTiOnS. so unexpected!!1
thedoom 05.06.19	I was trying really hard to just shut my brain off, but I just couldn’t bear the amount of stupidity at the end. Why did they not just shoot Dany, Drogon and the rest in front of Kingslanding? They were all in range...
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'truly nuanced' I think the only stretch of GoT that was truly nuanced in the whole show was the Red Wedding. Even the downfall of Ned wasn't that involved. I remember people early on complaining about Renly being taken out by a demon baby - I think people are a seeing things rose tinted. That stuff was written by the big man himself, not the new writers. Seems like the show had the one big hit and people want the band to play it again. Yes, the Red Wedding was great but it was really a one off - it told the audience to expect the most immaculate subtle twists and when you are expecting that you can't ever quite have it again. The purple wedding and Oberyn vs the Mountain were good but nowhere near as surprising - as the audience was then primed.
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'Why did they not just shoot Dany, Drogon and the rest in front of Kingslanding? They were all in range...' Because they believe an angry out of control and over emotional Dany will be more of a hindrance than a help for the 'goodies'
DoofDoof 05.06.19	'his is a pointless distinction. how do you forget your enemies plan to deal with you? you have all the top strategists available to you and you forget the other half of your enemy' As far as she is concerned dragons kill boats.
thedoom 05.06.19	Surely getting rid of the last dragon right there would be worth it. How can you even defend this shit.
JeetJeet 05.06.19	"There is so little time for anything truly nuanced or interesting to happen that may be my biggest problem currently" Thats what happens when you have a 6 episode season and spend the first two eps doing fanservice reunions & filler shit.
anarchistfish 05.06.19	Doof man u can't just retroactively justify every awkward narrative choice. I'm not asking for blatant exposition. Recently it feels like they're either giving cheap inyourface exposition or none at all. Just some intrigue. I don't like the 6 episode format. Really plays into the simplified story
EoinCofa 05.06.19	Last episode to end with “don’t stop believin” blaring. No wait P.S. everybody needs to stop losing their shit. Plenty more dragons are coming and they’re bringing hell with them
DominionMM1 05.06.19	“you can say 'well she's arrogant' but if that's the case then why does she do any planning at all? hell, the scene could have been way better if she had noticed the fleet and decided to attack them thinking she could win and then losing the ships/dragon. THAT would showcase arrogance. instead she comes across as completely inept and your suspension of disbelief is in shambles.” i just don’t understand how she can’t see them but they can see her and can hit a moving target about 6 feet wide from what like 500 yards away with a giant crossbow with pinpoint accuracy multiple times
thedoom 05.06.19	and then miss with an entire salvo on a target that flies directly at them. This show is braindead.
thedoom 05.06.19	That shit is more accurate tham modern anti air missiles while firing from a fucking moving ship.
DoofDoof 05.06.19	These complaints about ‘how’d Han not get hit in a laser fight’ are generic complaints at ‘every action movie ever’. I said it’s Return of the Jedi time. I guess the fleet surprising anything was silly but then an open battle outside Dragonstone would have wound up about the same. Euron would always win it. I guess the dragons might have got a couple of his ships but they seemed to have a lot of crossbows. I think it’s made a surprise attack because it’s a TV show - just lob two islands in there for them to hide behind. Ta-da If you’re a real nerd you go back and see if those two islands have ever been shown outside Dragonstone before - but then you could trigger some sort of existential crisis
DominionMM1 05.06.19	that whole thing just felt cheap. that fact that it was euron is just the turd on top.
TheNotrap 05.06.19	Good episode
anarchistfish 05.06.19	game of thrones is meant to be a gritty subversion of fantasy tropes this was not
DoofDoof 05.06.19	In a normal fantasy the dragon wouldn’t be taken out like that I’d say but maybe
Kalopsia 05.06.19	i wonder where the 2/3rds extra cgi budget will be spent now that we're down to 1 dragon
anarchistfish 05.06.19	king's landing bbq?
Gyromania 05.06.19	book euron >>>>>>>>>>>>> show euron
thedoom 05.06.19	I actually had to laugh when that happened. The most lazy attempt to shock the audience.
thedoom 05.06.19	Any book character >>>>>>>>>>> anyone in the show at this point
CosmicPie 05.06.19	I'm glad I didn't read the books so I can actually enjoy this.
CosmicPie 05.06.19	Even though the characters do seem a bit hollow at this point.
derkaderka 05.06.19	I'm sure it's been said already, but the show has just been getting shittier every season after the book material ran out and they started making shit up. I can normally turn my brain off and enjoy the show, but this season has had so many egregious writing errors I can't look past them anymore. The only thing they could do that would surprise me at this point is if Dany suddenly poops out 50 dragons and then she burns down Kings Landing along with the Jon and the remaining armies. I was so excited for this season and now I really don't give a shit what happens.
Kalopsia 05.06.19	WhOsE eXcItEd FoR tHrEe GoT sPiN-oFfS nOw?
CosmicPie 05.06.19	Eh, I'd like to retain a sense of wonder. There's still time to throw in some brain-twisters. And if they can't manage that... well, fuck it.
anarchistfish 05.06.19	reminds me a bit of last jedi tbh
CosmicPie 05.06.19	You're memory of greatness is spoiling your potential for enjoyment.
thedoom 05.06.19	It‘s sad how they could fuck this up so badly. If they atleast stayed on the level of season 5-6 the story could atleast have a conclusion that isn‘t just disregarded as fanfiction. Because really that is all the last 2 seasons have been.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	I didn't read the books and the show has still sucked for several seasons now so I dunno bout that
pjquinones747 05.06.19	Yeah, last episode had a lot of good dialogue but its all incredibly bittersweet to me since i feel like in previous seasons we couldve had a 10-ep season's worth of buildup on top of these building blocks they're putting in place. The ending will be about as satisfying as toppling a tower consisting of two building blocks.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	Peoples memories of how good the show was isnt spoiling their potential enjoyment btw, its the show being shit now that is spoiling that potential.
Insurrection 05.06.19	is it me or did they ruin almost every character in this episode
thedoom 05.06.19	The memory of how good it was for the first few seasons just rubs some additional salt into the wound
pjquinones747 05.06.19	The most egregious issue is the incredibly tropey fanservice plot points. Arya and Gendry's entire scene could've been condensed to Arya getting another glance at Gendry's physique and deciding to go out to the practice range instead of talking to him. They coulda cut Jaime + Brienne to the start of them lapping face and then cut to the next scene as we could safely assume that they banged. Two examples but there were so many unnecessary spots that could've been changed out for important context. LONGSHOT REDEMPTION OPPORTUNITY: Extended edition of the last season released after the fact. Not gonna happen but how badass would that be?
thedoom 05.06.19	The 2 seconds in which they showed Ghost not even getting a proper goodbye from Jon was the most emotional moment from the last few episodes. Goddamn Jon, that was cold!
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	Yeah what doom said
anarchistfish 05.06.19	it's weird how they have so little space left but they just dick about a lot of the time "You're memory of greatness is spoiling your potential for enjoyment." yh hang on let me just turn my brain off and pretend this is well written
CosmicPie 05.06.19	The old "ignorance is bliss" thing. Because, even now, it's not a bad show. It's just not living up to what it was.
rockandmetaljunkie 05.06.19	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahoHDU0T44I lmao
CosmicPie 05.06.19	Y'all really know how to kill a good time with logic, haha
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.06.19	(Sorry)
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	Jon not saying bye to ghost was whatever because the starks never show physical affection to their cgi dogs
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	At least Dany will pretend to pet a dragon.
thedoom 05.07.19	It‘s just part of the fun now
thedoom 05.07.19	(The killing the good time with logic)
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	Yeah half of what makes the show still watchable is being able to squad up and talk shit
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	The other half is desperation for payoff for all the emotion and time invested
thedoom 05.07.19	Hahaha, spot on
CosmicPie 05.07.19	I hear that. I'm kind of bummed out, as well. I'm just holding on to that last bit of hope.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	As long as you cling to that hope without sounding as desperate and tragic as doof
CosmicPie 05.07.19	"(The killing the good time with logic)" Welp, it is a fantasy show. Not exactly paying my bills.
CosmicPie 05.07.19	I do get the cathartic spill, though. Can be fun.
WatchItExplode 05.07.19	I'm hoping grrm corpse will posthumously finish the last book so I can have an enjoyable ending to this thing
zaruyache 05.07.19	2020 fingers crossed. Hopefully the one afterward comes sooner since he won't have the show to compete with in his mind and can get on with ending it in a completely different way.
Scoot 05.07.19	last night was honesty sad made me feel like parting ways with a friend on bad terms
Deez 05.07.19	Not even any decent breasts on show apart from Aryas 14 year old peado side boob Im done with this shite
hal1ax 05.07.19	"book euron >>>>>>>>>>>>> show euron" truth. for me the only characters in the show who rival those in the books are the hound and melissandre. the dude who plays the hound does a good job i think
DoofDoof 05.07.19	I might read the books when the show is done but my bud who's an avid reader of sci fi/fantasy and novels in general said other than being very detailed and some dialogue being ok they're written really poorly - like the dude has no real flair, just clunky and slow going. He just transferred to the show after two books and warned me off them. I'll probably give them a go out of curiosity but if all the sore book readers have been waxing lyrical about them and they're shit I will laugh.
unclereich 05.07.19	that's the best type of reading though, that is reading something acclaimed that a friend said sucks.
unclereich 05.07.19	I think Im going to do that with ulysses
DoofDoof 05.07.19	If it's tightly enough plotted but the writing is just functional, for me, it'll be worse than the show I can only spend significant time reading writers who actually write all nice and that. It has to be a pleasure to read and the format of it being the written word should add a hell of a lot. Obvious example, I've read LOTR the once - fine the once, never again. A thousand descriptions of swords and horses, a few elf songs in elvish and functional prose...honestly the film does the job better now. Incredible imagination...but the dude wrote like it was a textbook.
unclereich 05.07.19	try some Virginia Woolf
hal1ax 05.07.19	@doof, he doesn't have much flair really. but this is fantasy fiction we're talking about here.. that genre isn't really known for having much cachet or versatility. GRRM is a good world builder but my favorite aspect was always the politics. some really stellar interactions between olenna / tywin / varys / littlefinger that never were fleshed out on screen.
DoofDoof 05.07.19	There's a lot of incredibly written sci fi - fantasy is no excuse for poor writing. Anyway, I'm sure they're amazing as everyone says they are - so I'm quite looking forward to the books. But if they're bs I'll call bs.
DoofDoof 05.07.19	If the dialogue is really good then that might be enough to get me hooked.
hal1ax 05.07.19	i didn't say they were written poorly. i'm saying the genre isn't exactly a rich source of versatility or style. as you said, lots of drudging through expository stuff. that's sort of just the nature of the beast.
hal1ax 05.07.19	you'll probably dig em though.
unclereich 05.07.19	Peep dh lawrence
TheWhiteWolf9981 05.07.19	I've supported the show for so long but this..? D&D need to be removed from any project in the near future for their total incompetence. Honestly, the fact that they left a Starbucks cup in the frame shows how much effort they're putting in. Gendry was born in the Crownlands not the Riverlands, making his bastard name Waters. Jaime didn't strangle his cousin, he strangled Torrhen Karstark after beating his cousin to death when he was captive Benioff's explanations for the Inside the Episode segments make you realise what kind of ineptitude we're dealing with here. These guys wrote the Robert and Cersei scenes, Chaos is a Ladder monologue, Arya and Tywin scenes without book content to draw from and the episodes weren't written by George. What the fuck?
BigBlob 05.07.19	the Starbucks cup was 100% product placement. It probably paid for the whole battle of winterfell
BigBlob 05.07.19	also, so many of the secondary characters have become so hollow and void of anything interesting because the writers are focusing on the main plot line so much. The Hound for example
Scheumke 05.07.19	"If the dialogue is really good then that might be enough to get me hooked." It is. Most of the dialogue from the first couple of seasons is taken directly from George. Only he does not dumb his characters down in the later books but keeps true to them. Also the books are WAAYYYYY better in foreshadowing and giving little tidbits of unresolved plot-points that you know George has a satisfying conclusion to (The whole Azor-Ahai plot, Nymeria, Benjen etc.).
TheNotrap 05.07.19	"HBO confirms that Game of Thrones’ Starbucks coffee cameo was a mistake" This season finale isn't going well... SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME
SpiritCrusher2 05.07.19	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFoCt1PxPCs I guess yall have probably already seen this, I've just watched it for the first time and it's pretty crazy
JAV 05.07.19	This season has been pretty subpar. They really don't know what to do without George hand holding them.
pjquinones747 05.07.19	Rewatched 'The Last of the Starks' and my opinion is ever so slightly higher now. It DID feel far more authentic GoT despite being a low par GoT episode.
DoofDoof 05.07.19	The fact it is the second lowest rated ever episode is retarded and proves the backlash is very real. It's not even the weakest episode of the season :/ People getting butthurt all the way to the finale
outliers 05.07.19	that "dany forgot about the iron fleet" video is gold
BigBlob 05.07.19	love how the dragons were built up as these city destroying godlike sort of things, only for them to get killed by a man with an ice spear and a giant crossbolt on a boat
DominionMM1 05.07.19	i mean the night king killing viserion was fine i guess. the dude can raise the dead so being able to kill a dragon would seem possible euron with big crossbow though...
BigBlob 05.07.19	the velocity of those giant arrows too would flip the ship that fired them over aswell... but aye magic and dragons and stuff so its ok
trilo 05.07.19	@doof: tbh i don't recommend the books unless you're happy with never finding out what the ending is. even if winds of winter comes out the next one ain't coming
DoofDoof 05.07.19	I think with then knowing how the show ends I'll prob be ok having the books left unfinished, however frustrating.
ReefaJones 05.07.19	This show has gone to shit since they ran out of book material. THe writers are really bad.
Scheumke 05.07.19	I don't think ASOIAF will be left unfinished tbh. I think George has enough material written/recorded for someone to pull a Wheel of Time and finish it post-mortem if it ever comes to that.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	Doof the series low ratings just confirms that you're even simpler than that Starbucks cup for being the only person on the planet who thinks this shit is quality.
Egarran 05.07.19	[autistic screeching]
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	[autistic posturing]
Egarran 05.07.19	We can bring that meme back.
Kalopsia 05.07.19	[autistic shitting the bed]
DoofDoof 05.07.19	I thought I was the one laughing at how autistically pedantic and 'nerd rage' you all are but how the tables have turned damn
anarchistfish 05.07.19	"my bud who's an avid reader of sci fi/fantasy and novels in general said other than being very detailed and some dialogue being ok they're written really poorly - like the dude has no real flair, just clunky and slow going." kinda how i feel about cormac mccarthy surely the dialogue and plot have flair though?
DoofDoof 05.07.19	anarchistf - yeah, I meant more just flair with language (conceptually, descriptively, style, etc)
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	Ur an absolute dullard
TheSpirit 05.07.19	everything after a storm of swords (so a feast for crows and a dance with dragons) isn't **quite** as good or enthralling as the first three, but i couldn't disagree more about calling them poorly written...
DoofDoof 05.07.19	That comment's a little beneath you Pots but sure thing
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	I wonder if sjw Dany stans still wont realize that shes a villain once she roasts all of kings landing
DoofDoof 05.07.19	Half the internet judges the writing based on whether they like a particular character or not The idea of having factions supporting different characters is...eh, 'a new phernomememenomenon' I mean 'banter' is fine - but if someone genuinely rates or doesn't rate the show based on how much they now like Dany I presume they are 10 years old
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	You have the critical thinking skills of a 10 year old tbh
SitarHero 05.07.19	"I wonder if sjw Dany stans still wont realize that shes a villain once she roasts all of kings landing" All the Dany stans have jumped on team Arya's bandwagon tho.
Egarran 05.07.19	It was an epiphany, like a voice from above: "He's on the spectrum".
BeyondCosby 05.07.19	Although I had an initial, knee-jerk reaction to The Battle of Winterfell, after watching it a second time I was a little more ok with it. Still feel like the Night King should have overrun Winterfell or something more epic; still feel like more majors should have died, but it is what it is at this point. The most recent episode was on point though. Characters acted within character, the dialogue was great, and all the political going-ons are as dramatic as ever. I'm glad the writers didn't just write Brienne and Tormund together because of fan service. I'm glad that people are beginning to question whether Dany is fit to rule, and it feels like there are going to be consequences for characters rash decisions. I don't know what is going to happen any more, not because the writing is bad or because characters are acting out of character, but because the show has regained some of its edge back. Really excited to see how these next to episodes pan out.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	The new game of thrones episodes are actually just a social experiment by egarran (phd)
anarchistfish 05.07.19	i thought dany was no longer sjw when she started hoarding black people
anarchistfish 05.07.19	"Half the internet judges the writing based on whether they like a particular character or not" o pls u telling me people thought joffrey was badly written
DoofDoof 05.07.19	'The most recent episode was on point though.' Agreed, one of the best episodes of the last two seasons.
DoofDoof 05.07.19	'u telling me people thought joffrey was badly written' you do realise we live in a world where actors who play characters like Joffrey get hate mail and shouted at in the street. People are dumb - they actually want to love Dany etc If Joffrey kills their favourite character they 'hate the show'.
anarchistfish 05.07.19	and ur now saying these are the same people now saying this season is badly written
DoofDoof 05.07.19	I'm saying half yer youtube comments (and a few here) are in that bracket yeeeeeeee
DoofDoof 05.07.19	I dunno irl I'm just surrounded by people who look forward to the show/enjoy it quite a lot so I just find the internet reaction funny Not saying we don't laugh at the occasional stupid shit that makes it into the plot but overall the reaction amounts to 'yeah, it's a tv show, it's plenty good enough for the format'. I guess I'm looking at reviews and chatting on a 'criticism website' so more fool me but the day and night difference between the two is a funny as fuck.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	Literally everyone I know irl thinks the new season sucks ass and is over it, the only place I see people enjoying it is normies on Instagram and you.
anarchistfish 05.07.19	yh idk my mates tend to agree with me and sites that always revered GoT are shitting on this season
anarchistfish 05.07.19	sorry doof, this may count as quality media in your Mississippi swamps, but this is europe and we have standards for art
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	So yeah, if we are getting anecdotal here, your experiance isnt necessarily universal
Kalopsia 05.07.19	doof you are the starbucks cup of this thread
anarchistfish 05.07.19	still better than like 99% of in flight entertainment sure
anarchistfish 05.07.19	american airlines anyway. malaysia airlines probably has better
DoofDoof 05.07.19	I was just saying the experience for me is I have two worlds - one that likes the show and the other that treats it like cancer The nerd credentials of my group of friends is pretty high too, way above normie level.
anarchistfish 05.07.19	have u seen westworld
DoofDoof 05.07.19	Westworld I have more issues with - it’s too convoluted for its own good at times, and it’s repetitive. Some amazing individual episodes but the characters are more plot devices than the GoT lot. Some of the human characters are pretty much ‘their job at the park’ as their only real defining trait. I like it though - but it lacks a bit of heart and natural narrative. It feels like a bit too much hard work for all involved - the writers, the producers, the cast and the viewers. GoT is a 10/10 show overall - it’s often really good, always entertaining WestWorld is a 7.5? After the first two episodes I believed it might be the next GoT though. They were both 10/10 episodes. It lost something early doors.
trilo 05.07.19	i thought westworld was gonna be great after the first few episodes but it went way down hill near the end and then somehow got worse in s2. not gonna bother finishing it.
DoofDoof 05.07.19	My fave TV drama shows of all time would be: 1. GoT 2. Deadwood 3. The Wire 4. Sopranos 5. Six Feet Under 6. Twin Peaks GoT is the purest entertainment, I never looked forward to episodes of the other shows quite as much as The Purple Wedding and the BotB etc
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	@doof and yet you say its nerd rage from the haters? Get your story straight saddo
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	Honestly a disservice to twin peaks to be on that tragic list. Anyways GoT is a 6/10 show.
DoofDoof 05.07.19	‘Utopia’ would be top 10 also btw
DoofDoof 05.07.19	If you don’t rate Deadwood you’re a pleb ;P
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	Dont try and sweet talk me pal, we flexin, not textin
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	Yeah you have the same taste in tv as my mom congrats (except she doesnt watch GoT because she's intellectually superior to u)
DoofDoof 05.07.19	Let’s compare mums - it’s got to that stage. Next up we’ll compare each other to Hitler. Time to flex alone for a bit, see you same thread, same place next ep :D
unclereich 05.07.19	Don trump is hitlar
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	Dammit come back doof ur mum is hitler
anarchistfish 05.07.19	westworld s1 is as good as anything s2 is dogshit utopia didn't even finish
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.07.19	Tbh I liked Utopias "ending" even tho it was intended to carry on.
Gmork89 05.07.19	Yall need to watch that season 1 of True Detective.
anarchistfish 05.07.19	i only saw s1 of utopia tbh. years ago s1 true detective is ok fargo is more my style
JeetJeet 05.07.19	Yall trippin s2 of Westworld is great. Fargo is like the fun version of True Detective.
JeetJeet 05.07.19	"Tbh I liked Utopias "ending" even tho it was intended to carry on" I'm reaallly hoping they dont fuck up the Utopia remake.
Gyromania 05.07.19	wtf is westworld? a tv show about the wild west? pass.
DominionMM1 05.07.19	super hyped for the deadwood movie in a few weeks bummer that powers boothe wont be there though
CosmicPie 05.07.19	I haven't seen any of that trash. I'm only here for GoT. But really, I will be checking Fargo. Maybe some Deadwood.
EoinCofa 05.07.19	Westworld is like the movie “ex machina” on steroids. Very good
CosmicPie 05.08.19	I dug Ex Machina. I'll have to check Westworld out too. Sounds like there's a lot of good shows floating around, eh?
Gyromania 05.08.19	yeah i actually just downloaded the first season because of that comparison. ex machina is one of my favourite movies of the decade.
DominionMM1 05.08.19	yeah man and pretty much all of them are on hbo mad men is pretty great too though
JeetJeet 05.08.19	Mad Men is fuckin amazing.
anarchistfish 05.08.19	"Yall trippin s2 of Westworld is great" It's trite
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.08.19	Hows season 2 of westworld fish?
JeetJeet 05.08.19	"Its trite" You're trite, and that outfit you're wearing makes you look like a slut.
CosmicPie 05.08.19	I was on Mad Men from the beginning. Owned the hard copies until I lent them to a buddy and his dog chewed them up. Pretty sweet return on investment. Great show, though. Requires patience, but packed with substance.
zaruyache 05.08.19	"Hows season 2 of westworld" pretty great. ending was neato
RadicalEd 05.08.19	Damn doof some of your takes on these episodes. Jesus.
DoofDoof 05.08.19	Ed - I’m reading yours too now ;D Seems like you’re in agreement you need to lose a dragon or two for the story but these losses have seemed cheap. To me the more trad GoT way of getting rid would be to poison them if dragons can indeed be poisoned. That’s how I feel Tywin...or LF...or Varys...would approach that. I just don’t think a more ‘Red Wedding’ style underhand ‘offing’ Of the dragons would have been popular. People want to see the dragons not hear they died in their sleep or were killed off screen. They never built up an evil warging character so again I don’t think someone warging into a dragon to cause chaos would have worked. Sooo....projectile weapons and magic it’s got to be really :/ I have zero issue with us being down to one dragon or the means of their demise. I'm not saying all the scenes involved were perfect - just that generally, in terms of the broad story, I'm not at all upset about how they've treated muh dragons (I know people get emotional about the dragons)
DoofDoof 05.08.19	I watched this ep again last night - first half was a little slow going on the second time through, but a few gold moments. The Hound continuing to eat through the Gendry bit. The way Tormund delivers the line 'which of you cowards shit in my pants?' is classic. The way Sansa tells Tyrion the 'big secret' was well done, v Machiavellian of her, bravo. Second half was a good time - you see that Euron had to go in-out quick because Dany's fleet is way bigger than I remembered. Like a proper pirate. I thought he'd sunk nearly all her ships before and half the Unsullied were earning their swimming badges lol Dany losing her rag twice in the episode, a little more each time - it looks like how I'd imagine Dany would respond to this type of adversity. Her previous experience is she can stamp out anything military - only subterfuge and terrorists really caused her issues before. To be damaged by old fashioned 'weapons', ah, it's nice to see. Not thinking it was as good as the previous ep now, or maybe even the one before that - more a 7.5 or 8 out of 10. It just hit a few old school GoT notes which I liked a lot.
RadicalEd 05.08.19	"I just don’t think a more ‘Red Wedding’ style underhand ‘offing’ Of the dragons would have been popular. People want to see the dragons not hear they died in their sleep or were killed off screen." No, agreed. But the whole teleporting around the map and armies are just appearing out of thin air thing is really fucking stupid and a huge departure from the early seasons. Just by-the-numbers hollywood stuff with some above average actors. (except Danny and John Snow tbh) Also in GoT it used to be, that powerlevels mattered. When some character had some powerful tool in his hand, he wouldn't just squander it for nothing, or if he wasted his advantage, there would be very clear reasons for him making such a mistake. The dragons were set up as the LEGENDARY, the ability to ride dragons were the basis for the Targeryans supremecay. They are the nuclear option of Westeros. And Danny just pissed away 2 dragons for nothing and especially the way she lost her 2nd dragon was just laughably easy. Okay, the white walkers were another legendary force of the universe, But Euron just sneaking up on it and landing 3 perfect ballista shots is just stupid. "Second half was a good time - you see that Euron had to go in-out quick because Dany's fleet is way bigger than I remembered. Like a proper pirate. I thought he'd sunk nearly all her ships before and half the Unsullied were earning their swimming badges lol" See. This is a problem. At least for me. Army sizes and fleet strenghts are kept so vague and unclear now, that we have no clear way of even guessing who has the stronger forces. They do this, so they can justify every stupid move they come up with because they think it would serve the plot.
BigBlob 05.08.19	yeah wtf. after the battle of winterfell it gave the impression they were down to like... 20 guys at best? you're thinking they are feked and never going to be able to defeat Cersei. but next thing you know is they are having a big feast, then telling her to surrender as they have a bigger army. WTF?
DoofDoof 05.08.19	Well a lot of the exposition is saying where armies are and how long they will be? I'd guess by the time Jon reaches King's Landing we are talking months not weeks (they say in the episode Jon is two weeks behind them). It seems 'teleport-y' because they aren't showing the intervening time/people on the road so much now. The Hound and Arya will prob now just turn up in KL because we don't need to see them on horses in ten scenes yet again. Example, something like Mel turning up as a surprise was fine for me - she's a witch, she reads glimpses of the future in the flames, and is part of a secret society of religious zealots with no doubt countless spies and means to information - of course she'll turn up to the battle she's been waiting for the whole series. I think a load of travel scenes, her waiting in a deserted village, and exposition would be totally unnecessary. I just feel a lot of stuff is slightly uncharitable nit picking at this stage that for some reason this show and this show alone gets. I do sort of enjoy the geek out of the backlash and level of pedantic analysis of every plot decision but then I also see it as overall way more stupid than the writing decisions themselves :/
DoofDoof 05.08.19	They should definitely have shown more surviving forces in the Winterfell battle but then I'm not 100% familiar with the geography of the area of layout of the castle so whatever, some retreated, some were maybe pockets of resistance. It's a bit of a stretch to think 50% survived but I guess it is possible. They just should have made it clearer in the action scenes.
Scheumke 05.08.19	"It seems 'teleport-y' because they aren't showing the intervening time/people on the road so much now. The Hound and Arya will prob now just turn up in KL because we don't need to see them on horses in ten scenes yet again." But that's exactly the problem with the way the writers try to tie all ends together. This is Westeros at war. People don't just ride the roughly 2000 miles from Winterfell to King's Landing (think about it, that's about the distance Frodo walked from the Shire to Mount Doom) without anything happening, we saw that in the earlier seasons. Brigands, storms, armies, rivers overflowing, a crossing being closed. A million things should/could happen between here and there. The only time such a large venture was actually relatively uneventful was in the first episode when king Robert and his entire retinue went north, which took over a month. The way back down took about as long and 2 full episodes. Now it's just the next shot.
Scheumke 05.08.19	That just screams to me that the writers just want to give this an ending without really knowing what to do with it.
RadicalEd 05.08.19	I dunno doof, we're just wanting very different things out of the show.
DoofDoof 05.08.19	'Okay, the white walkers were another legendary force of the universe, But Euron just sneaking up on it and landing 3 perfect ballista shots is just stupid.' I said before I think time, Lannister resources, plus Qyburn is supposed to count for something - they've foreshadowed developing dragon weapons for over a season. Euron is supposed to be 'the greatesfth sailor who ever lived my queen' not just a run of the mill adversary - and Qyburn is supposed to be as close to an experimenting scientific genius you get in Westeros. It's honestly fine they shot down a (weakened?) dragon before the battle. I think it was more they had to land the first shot - then it was toast. They were under no real pressure with the first shot as Dany and the fleet were unaware of them (if we can buy whether they could actually be hidden and take a shot is another thing) but once that first big shot hits I'm not super surprised you could then hit the thing again and wipe it out while it is reeling. Anyway, they were also aiming for Dany so they actually did miss their main target I think - watch it again, the dragon was caught in the cross fire a bit.
DoofDoof 05.08.19	'I dunno doof, we're just wanting very different things out of the show.' I'll admit I'm not all that precious with TV and film, much more easy going than with music where I'm far more critical (though I hope reasonably open minded) - so that's probably it. The show isn't as good as seasons 2-4 but I don't really care, it's a TV show. Most have ups and downs and I'm just pleased it's still around and they're going to actually finish it. When I watched the first episode when it first aired I knew nothing about the books and thought it would be a cheap budget, slightly hokey Sean Bean vehicle that I'd just enjoy because I quite like fantasy/medieval stuff - it's surpassed those early expectations to a ridiculous degree so all good.
outliers 05.08.19	Doof your arguments don't make Dany conveniently forgetting about Euron and his forces any less stupid and how does Lannister resources and Eurons expertise as a sailer justify that shitty dragon scene. Am I forgetting about Eurons long list of experience shooting flying targets hundreds of yards away with oversized crossbows while on a moving ship?
DoofDoof 05.08.19	'Doof your arguments don't make Dany conveniently forgetting about Euron and his forces any less stupid' She didn't forget they existed - she forgot they could pose a threat. A fleet has never harmed her dragons before. She believes Euron's fleet would be avoiding her and her dragons - which is logical. Unless they have anti dragon weapons mounted on boats which she'd never seen or heard of. 'Am I forgetting about Eurons long list of experience shooting flying targets' I imagine they've been practicing shooting the catapults over the last what, six months while things were going down in the north? What else would they have been doing? You believe they wouldn't test new weapons before using them in battle? Also I believe he wanted to take out Drogon on the first shot but hit the other dragon instead - watch again. The two are very close together.
outliers 05.08.19	https://youtu.be/ahoHDU0T44I And did Qyburn also create flying practice targets with all those Lannister resources?
Egarran 05.08.19	"That just screams to me that the writers just want to give this an ending without really knowing what to do with it." 99% of GoT screams that.
DoofDoof 05.08.19	'The writer literally said she forgot about Euron but ok' The context is he says 'she's forgotten about them...but they haven't forgotten about her!' That's what he actually says but everyone trims the rest of the sentence for whatever reason. what this context means is 'they've been planning for her...she doesn't see them as a threat and hasn't planned for them'. They haven't just 'remembered' that bitch on a dragon - they've planned to take her out. She likewise has 'forgotten' to think they might have found a way to deal with that bitch on a dragon. She's been, y'know, fighting a war up north. Distracted planning that, not taking due time to plan for what the Lannisters may or may not have done. She hasn't forgotten Euron exists at all. This is why people are against her heading south quick, but she doesn't want the cautious approach - she still believes she is ultimately powerful with her resources. 'And did Qyburn also create flying practice targets with all those Lannister resources? ' Maybe - all you'd need would be the equivalent of a larger clay pigeon shooting device. Why not? They certainly would have a way of doing target practice. They were going out purposefully hunting airborne dragons. In war nearly every weapon is tested and practiced, it would be perverse if it wasn't tbh
outliers 05.08.19	Larger clay pigeon lol okay you win
DoofDoof 05.08.19	It's not hard to imagine them aiming the catapult bolts at other projectiles launched in the air from another ship. If it is for you I apologise.
outliers 05.08.19	Yeah I'm sure they had a skeet shooting range set up in BWB
DoofDoof 05.08.19	A montage with them missing targets and Laurel and Hardy type music would have been perfect - not enough classic slapstick in the show since Joffrey croaked.
Egarran 05.08.19	They should just have done an aside with a priest/sorceror blessing those catapults, then they would at least have a reason for their supernatural qualities.
DoofDoof 05.08.19	Went to Belfast last year and they'd finished shooting and there's a big multi storey pub opposite the hotel where all celebs etc stay (there's not too much choice in Belfast for luxury hotels). Anyway it was Kitt (spelling?) and Euron actor watching the world cup and playing pool (it was when Denmark got knocked out so Euron actor was pissed off at the end, though he went wild when Kasper saved the penalty). The top floor was nearly empty and they had a member of staff sort of floating about making sure they kept an area reasonably private. Euron dude gurns a lot and winks in real life, and is very loud - he knew we'd sussed out their identities but you could tell he quite liked winding people up. Jon Snow is tiny, glasses and baseball cap, I didn't recognize him at first. Needed a piss but realized he was going in ahead of me so bailed out - would have been too weird lining up in the urinal next to Little Jon. Was hoping Denmark would win and maybe they'd have been in celebratory mood and had a few beers with everyone. But they left the minute the game finished lol
Egarran 05.08.19	His name is Pilou Asbæk. Never trust a person who can't bother to learn a name.
DoofDoof 05.08.19	I could have googled it but then no one would have known who I was talking about
Egarran 05.08.19	Also never trust a man who projects his ignorance onto other people.
DoofDoof 05.08.19	I was really shocked at Kit Harrington's stature and whole demeanor - Pilou instantly recognizable, Kit never would have noticed he was there if he'd been on his own.
DoofDoof 05.08.19	Egarran has trust issues
zakalwe 05.08.19	Nice Belfast story that Doof mate. Sounds like the Euron fella had dropped an E or both had planted a bomb? Glasses and baseball cap? Well dodgy.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.08.19	Wow doof you couldn't even go 24 hours without poppin off about this trite ass bullcrap let alone til the next episode
Larkinhill 05.08.19	Finally had a chance to watch ep 4 last night. I was pretty shocked by how bad certain elements were. I wouldn’t say it was horrible and I still enjoyed it for the most part, but the first half was way too uneventful and drawn out, and not in an interesting way — while the second half jammed way too many developments in. The 2nd half could have been two episodes. Plus didn’t like Jamie and Brienne hooking up. Felt forced and unbelievable imo. Also was ridiculous how easily Euron found them, how easy it was to shoot down a dragon with that ridiculous arrow and the fact that they didn’t see Euron’s fleet until he was right on their asses.
Pangea 05.08.19	Exactly how i feel Larkinhill. It was enjoyable but the pacing was weird and some stuff were really bad
CosmicPie 05.08.19	I'm starting to appreciate Doof's uncompromising zeal.
Egarran 05.08.19	'Tis his duty.
Kalopsia 05.08.19	"all you'd need would be the equivalent of a larger clay pigeon shooting device" i don't feel like this suggestion got the ridicule it deserves. we're in monty python land now. making large wooden rabbits and dragons and clay pigeons and launching them in the air for target practice lol christ
DominionMM1 05.08.19	a nice montage set to an awesome stan bush tune would’ve helped
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	Bron: "I am here to possibly murder jaimie and Tyrion with this crossbow can you please guide me to their corridors?" Winterfell: "ok"
gagnonov 05.09.19	this show has had terrible writing ever since it strayed away from the books post season 4, and i haven't even read them. it's still a fun show, but fuck is it frustrating
CosmicPie 05.09.19	This is the only season where I'm starting to notice an issue with the writing.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	Started in like season 5 dude
Scoot 05.09.19	season 5 was shite other than hardhome which is arguably the best episode of the series
CosmicPie 05.09.19	If it did... it wasn't as noticeable as this episode.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	It's been a gradual process. There have been been moments of redemption but the overall trend has been downward
CosmicPie 05.09.19	Hopefully they have a ball-buster in stock. Waiting for the final 2 eps to lay it down.
gagnonov 05.09.19	Weiss and Benioff couldn't write smart characters if their lives depended on it.. Tyrion, Littlefinger, Varys and Olenna all went from mastermind to useless past season 4
Danred97 05.09.19	I was okay with everything in the episode except the Euron ambush and the ending being pretty unbelievable. Fingers crossed the final two episodes really connect because this season has been good but not great aside from a few scenes.
DoofDoof 05.09.19	'Wow doof you couldn't even go 24 hours without poppin off about this trite ass bullcrap let alone til the next episode' You love it
DoofDoof 05.09.19	'i don't feel like this suggestion got the ridicule it deserves. we're in monty python land now. making large wooden rabbits and dragons and clay pigeons and launching them in the air for target practice lol christ' I didn’t literally mean a device launching full size terracotta dragons into the air lol - just something moving to aim towards, not necessarily hit You do know there are still real life functioning medieval style recreations of catapults and large crossbows in operation out there right now and guess what? - they test fire and calibrate them all the time. You really think the first time Euron's fleet tried using the crossbows was in that fight? That archers would test their accuracy against moving targets but not people using these crossbows? You don't think that would be an oversight? ........
anarchistfish 05.09.19	https://youtu.be/ahoHDU0T44I /thread
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	Still trembling in fear at that 7 person army Dany brought to the gates of kings landing tbh
DominionMM1 05.09.19	some folks are game for filling in all the blanks that the show is asking viewers to do
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	And some folks have standards
anarchistfish 05.09.19	Ctrl f doofdoof 175
anarchistfish 05.09.19	Oh im on 150
anarchistfish 05.09.19	Yh but anyway this bad
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	Yeah but how many of your 150 are 7 paragraph essays trying to rationalize rubbish
anarchistfish 05.09.19	A very rational point
Egarran 05.09.19	Who has posted most in this list?
DominionMM1 05.09.19	potsy and doof of course
BeyondCosby 05.09.19	TLDR: DoofDoof- I understand the show has flaws but I still enjoy it. LordePots- I don't like this show.
Kalopsia 05.09.19	TLDR: DoofDoof- I must defend this show like a whiteknight. Here are my poor rationalizations to everything LordePots- Wut
BeyondCosby 05.09.19	TLDR: Kaopsia- I don't know what the definition of "white knight" is.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	I do like the show. I dont like the season. Also doof- the obvious flaws arent actually flaws let me write 84 paragraphs on why
BeyondCosby 05.09.19	TLDR: LordePots - The show is fine, but he doesn't like this season.
DoofDoof 05.09.19	'Not only is “Game of Thrones Season 8 Sucks” trending over on Google, but Twitter is also full of people saying as much. Some folks are just pissed about the show in general' I've changed my mind! I want to be on the right side of history!
zakalwe 05.09.19	Game of Moans
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	Doof I'm pretty sure hes just challenging the validity of your shitty anecdote about how your simpleton friends like the season and therefore only the internet hates it
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	Game of Groans, Game of Moans
CosmicPie 05.09.19	The season is still entertaining on its own. Comparatively, though... it's obviously lacking.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	Disparaging remarks about GoT s8 is a thinking mans activity
zakalwe 05.09.19	If I can throw my two pence in having now seen the latest episode I will say that the script now appears to have been written by 14yr olds for 10yr olds
CosmicPie 05.09.19	Ouchie
DoofDoof 05.09.19	Gendry was given the wrong bastard surname! That's the final straw.
zakalwe 05.09.19	The entire fucking secret legacy that Ned held onto for fucking years blown wide open in seconds cos of stroppy ginger bird. Typical fucking woman.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	Guess what season still sucks regardless of what surname gendry has
DoofDoof 05.09.19	Xenophobic Starks - behead the lot tbh
DoofDoof 05.09.19	Season 1 of American Gods? Or am I restricted to just Game of Thrones season?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	Speaking if white knights, RIP Jorah Lil bish
zakalwe 05.09.19	Old mincey slap-head is going to sit on the throne in what will be an absolute bollocks ending.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	Who is old mincey slap-head
DoofDoof 05.09.19	oh zak, cocks are important though my dear, you can't just stuff them up my inner sanctum
zakalwe 05.09.19	Golden robed bloke. Walks like he chews toffee.
DoofDoof 05.09.19	One Knight in Varys
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	The old ballsless hippy who appears to have gone on a silent retreat to a Tibetan monetary once?
zakalwe 05.09.19	Using the greater good of the realm for his own means the sly Machiavellian bender.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	Varys claiming the throne would possibly the absolute worst ending ya
DoofDoof 05.09.19	Be a short dynasty considering he has zero testicles.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.09.19	He'll pass it on to greyworm
DoofDoof 05.09.19	Someone passed greyworm onto me as a child and it's no joke. A succession of dickless monarchs...that's be a hard sell spin-off series.
zakalwe 05.09.19	The seven kingdoms will become a republic all unified under the lord of light who it turns out is slaphead
CosmicPie 05.09.19	Meh, maybe The Mountain will win it all. Cuts everyone in half and just sits on the thrown like the big dimwit he is.
EoinCofa 05.09.19	One problem with that. The Hound
zakalwe 05.09.19	The noncey looking firestarter fella. Maybe he’s the lord of light come to think of it. Brings people back from the dead, fire all over the gaff.
unclereich 05.09.19	that 6.6 on imbd tho LMAO
CosmicPie 05.09.19	Arya's going to needle his ass.
unclereich 05.09.19	peg me daddy
BeyondCosby 05.09.19	Season 1 of Tim and Eric is probably as good as Season five of Tim and Eric, true.
EoinCofa 05.09.19	Although, he truly cares about the good of all people, Varys does not have any leadership qualities (or balls. Hehehe).
Gmork89 05.10.19	I dont see any way they can possibly tie the entire series up in two more episodes without it feeling incredibly rushed. The last episode was all over the place. I stand my ground with the first 3 episodes being incredible, but after episode, I don't think it will end very satisfying. Really hoping winds of winter comes out soon now.
anarchistfish 05.10.19	Nah 6.6 doesn't mean episode was bad ppl r just h8rs
anarchistfish 05.10.19	"I dont see any way they can possibly tie the entire series up in two more episodes without it feeling incredibly rushed." And yet they're still padding it with marvel humour and Jaime Brienne sex scenes like wtf???
anarchistfish 05.10.19	My theory is in real life the white walkers killed everyone and ep 2 onwards is just zombie fan fic
anarchistfish 05.10.19	Honestly had a bad feeling the moment I read this http://exclaim.ca/film/article/kit_harington_says_game_of_thrones_critics_can_go_fuck_themselves
hal1ax 05.10.19	sounds about as smart as the character he plays
Kalopsia 05.10.19	and i know these episodes are longer, but still... we only have two episodes left to wrap everything up. like are they going to devote anytime to setting the world after the dust settles? (a la lord of the rings) if so, this whole conflict is going to be hella rushed through
thedoom 05.10.19	Ending will probably similar to some 80s action flick, last seconds will be Cersei dying some horrible death - the end.
Kalopsia 05.10.19	Cersei laying beaten and bloody on the floor. Jon Snow stands over her, revolver in hand. Cersei: You know nothing of what it takes to rule Jon: I know nothing? Well I know this... you're dead bitch *gunshot* *fade to black*
CosmicPie 05.10.19	Cersei Lannister's real name is Cersei Snow.
Egarran 05.11.19	Well, I'm on board with a hateful Dany roasting the entire Westeros. "Twist, motherfuckers, behold my secret dragon army."
anarchistfish 05.11.19	dany was the real evil all along
Larkinhill 05.11.19	Dany is going to go mad and fuck shit up. That’s where this has been leading all along.
Larkinhill 05.11.19	like are they going to devote anytime to setting the world after the dust settles? (a la lord of the rings) if so, this whole conflict is going to be hella rushed through This right here. Same thing I’ve been wondering. The battle/conflict will begin and end next episode in a complete rush job, then final ep will be after the dust settles.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.11.19	Dany is a villain so duh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.11.19	Also GoT has always waited til the second last episode of the season to do shit and then have the last ep be wrap up
Tyler. 05.11.19	am caught up now and boy am i unhappy
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.11.19	Proud of you, help us shit on it
Tyler. 05.11.19	thread is already long so idk what i can add that hasnt already been said. it just feels like they have no idea how to handle any of these characters and wsabejogqw0gutef i just want this show to be good
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.11.19	Smae
unclereich 05.12.19	smok
Egarran 05.12.19	On youtube there is an endless parade of men, screaming out their frustration with this show's post-books direction. Saw Angry Joe and Nerdrotic shit on this yesterday - because sure they could use their time on better things, but this was SUCH A BETRAYAL OF TRUST that they need catharsis and a therapeutic hate/circlejerk to get this disappointment out of their system. SEVEN OR WAS IT EIGHT FUCKING YEARS AND NOW WHAT? NOTHING! HE DIDNT EVEN PET THE DOG. I don't know man. There is a lack of proportions in this. Maybe it's because I was hardened by growing up in a time of terrible sequels. But yeah ok it is somewhat therapeutic.
anarchistfish 05.12.19	Rest of the story leaked apparently? I've heard it's bad
DoofDoof 05.12.19	'Rest of the story leaked apparently? I've heard it's bad' lol
TheFantasticDangler 05.12.19	Yeah they fully predicted the 4th episode too. They still don't know which ending is going to happen but it doesn't matter, people are going to fucking hate either of them. And thats not a shot at fans being spoiled, thats a shot at the horrific writing. The fuckers asked for 6 episodes, HBO and everyone wanted more so fuck em they deserve it.
TheFantasticDangler 05.12.19	NK should have just flown over Winterfell (or you are revealed hes been flying for a while to appease the distance/travellign issues the show has) and headed to King's Landing, runs into Euron. Same scene except the bolts don't do shit to undead Viserion and then the NK razes KL and Cersei dies in shock and disappointment. Then you can have an epic battle at Winterfell, where hope is truly lost. Dead marching from both sides. Main characters actually die. Jon doesn't peekaboo with a dragon. The whole tone of 'the throne doesn't matter when the dead are marching" is upheld. Christ.
dimsim3478 05.12.19	^see, i like your conceptualisation cuz it actually weaves the White Walker and Iron Throne/Cersei conflicts together. i jokingly predicted at the beginning of the season that they'd totally resolve the White Walker threat in ep 3 and then spend the next half of the season dealing with the political/character stuff. the joke was that that's such an unimaginative and underwhelming way of wrapping up the two sides of the story because the White Walkers are such a one-dimensional threat so dealing with them separately from Cersei almost inevitably leads to a "good vs evil last stand" kind of episode, which is not only cliched but totally devoid of complexity. at least keeping Cersei and co. in the fold would've made for some complication and originality. further, reducing the White Walker final fight down to a cliche really undercut all the importance that was undoubtedly afforded to them over the entire run of the show leading up to s08e03. obviously the White Walkers were always inherently one-dimensional and cliched in many respects, but the series made them compelling nonetheless through interesting storytelling and exciting execution, UNTIL ep 3 where all we got was totally boring baddies within a braindead "good vs evil last stand" formula.
CosmicPie 05.12.19	I ordered the books. Can't allow this shitty ending to stain my love for GoT.
outliers 05.12.19	cant wait for tonights episode just so i can bitch about how bad it was
zaruyache 05.12.19	there are hints in the books that the walkers might be their own race with their own city in the hella north, making their invasion of the south more defending their homeland than just an evil zombie conquest. too bad we lost all that potential nuance tho.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.12.19	Possibly the first time I've ever agreed with dimsim about anything, I feel dirty
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.12.19	@Zaru defending their homeland from what? The big ass wall that no one has the balls to venture past?
CosmicPie 05.12.19	Are the books worth getting into? Or is it more of a hype?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.12.19	The books are just a fat man rambling about food
CosmicPie 05.12.19	I'm in.
CosmicPie 05.12.19	Been trying to find an epic fantasy saga to get into. But I'm paying to much attention to reviews... so I'm not really getting anywhere. Lightbringer, Kingkiller, Toothflosser, etc...
hal1ax 05.12.19	kingkiller is way better than got imo. rothfuss is a much better writer
CosmicPie 05.12.19	Better than the American Tolkein?
hal1ax 05.12.19	lol
zaruyache 05.12.19	"Zaru defending their homeland from what?" theory was that they all formed a treaty; we know the Children and First Men had a bargain that the men would get the open plains and the Children would get the forests, but that leaves out the reason for the Wall existing at all. The idea is that the Wall was built to keep men out of the north and act as a boundary for Walker territory; the Walkers get the north, and the Wall is sealed with magic so the Walkers have to stay in their own territory as part of their promise. But for centuries more and more free folk have moved into the north to the point where there are tens of thousands of them sitting up there on stolen land, so the Walkers are finally back to claim what's theirs and push back against the invaders. GRRM has said before he hates cut-and-dry good/evil characters, so there's gotta be more nuance to the Walkers than just "ice man bad" anyway, and this makes for as decent a justification as any. And there's supposedly a city of ice way at the top, so narratively it fits.
DoofDoof 05.12.19	Got a good feeling about the next epsode fam
CosmicPie 05.12.19	Hahahaha
CosmicPie 05.12.19	You know what... I hope you're right. I still maintain a glimmer of hope.
Scoot 05.12.19	ive never before had an episode so piss poor compared to the standard that it ruined rest of the show for me before
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.12.19	Shut up doof
zaruyache 05.12.19	I'm still mad he didn't pet his fuckin dog. Like he had that nice talk about it with Tormund you're telling me they couldn't have both petted him while they were talking smh
Gyromania 05.12.19	Can someone tell me how long it takes for Crave to upload their episodes of GoT in high quality after they've streamed? Last two episodes I watched the streaming quality was just straight up dogshit. I wanna see the episode tonight but I don't want to subject myself to their crap streaming service. Quality sometimes dips down to like 140p
Gyromania 05.12.19	Also I just learned that one of these directors is the same guy who wrote Wolverine Origins - you know, the guy who made Deadpool a mute emo looking douche. The huge decline in quality of writing after they caught up with the books makes so much sense now.
Halfman 05.12.19	episode four was a trash can
Maco097 05.12.19	I bet the new episode is gonna be trash like the previous one, like the whole show lololo
hal1ax 05.12.19	torrent that shit in 1080p. eztv.ag proxy your ip tho
Gyromania 05.12.19	See the problem with torrenting though is i know it'll be a while before one goes up, and because people are selfish as fuck there will be prob like 1000 seeders to 100000 leechers
Maco097 05.12.19	I'm from the third world, no need for proxy.
hal1ax 05.12.19	@gyro, yea they don't get uploaded quite as quickly as the streams but you might be surprised by how quickly they get posted after the episode airs. last week's ep was ready for dload like 5-10min after the ep aired EST. and the dload's are quick, despite the horrid seed//leech ratios
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.12.19	Jaimie kills cercei but it's actually arya with a mask
CosmicPie 05.12.19	A dog doesn't need petting.
Storm In A Teacup 05.12.19	Agreed.
DoofDoof 05.12.19	'Jaimie kills cercei but it's actually arya with a mask' ...which means she (or someone else) has already killed Jaime? As a faceless man the person you are disguised as has to be dead to wear their face right? Im not 100% convinced that the leaks are kosher but maybe - guess it would be strange if the only time she uses that skill is to kill a z list villain in the form of Walder Frey
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.12.19	As if you wont be defending it hours from now
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.12.19	Also she has used that skill numerous other times including, apparently, her night king kill
DoofDoof 05.12.19	I have a slight issue with the faceless men thing in that they can wear the face, ok, but the body? Jaime's face with Arya's body? Hmmm. I do think the leak is most likely a fake
DoofDoof 05.12.19	She didn't peel off a face before killing the NK :/ I just meant the most important time she used the face peel 'on screen' was killing Walder Frey who is quite low down on the importance list.
Wildcardbitchesss 05.12.19	He wasn’t a very important character, but that might be the most personal kill of the entire series. Remember, Arya was literally seconds away from seeing Cat and Robb again, and Walder Frey took that away. If that ends up being the biggest moment involving the faceless I’d be perfectly happy.
Gyromania 05.12.19	Ugh why TF are we divulging spoilers itt
Gyromania 05.12.19	Also thnx Halifax, I think I'll dl it after all
zaruyache 05.12.19	is that 'spoiler' from the fake leak? It sounds pretty dumb and implausible, and also disregards the prophecy from the books that says one of her brothers will kill her. But they ignored that in the show so who knows it's probably true even tho its dumb af
thedoom 05.12.19	It sounds pretty dumb and therefore plausible lmao
hal1ax 05.12.19	yes there is a strong positive correlation between degree of dumb and likeliness to occur
anarchistfish 05.12.19	"Got a good feeling about the next epsode fam" what dosage sertraline are you on "and also disregards the prophecy from the books" aka tweedle dee and tweedle dum's plans for s8
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.12.19	Remember that time doof said GoT was al.pst as influential as star wars
Storm In A Teacup 05.12.19	Lmao
Storm In A Teacup 05.12.19	My guesses. Greyworm dies The Mountain dies The Hound dies Cersei dies Jaime lives Arya lives Euron dies Yara dies Varys dies
Storm In A Teacup 05.12.19	I change my mind on Yara. She lives.
hal1ax 05.13.19	prediction: dany will fly around on the dragon above kings landing as a distraction while bran wheels himself into the gates of kings landing doused in wildfire. danys dragon will breath a fireball onto bran which will catalyze a giant explosion. the explosion, however, does not reach cersei. everyone then shifts their attention to the exploded bran, which, as it turns out, was actually a distraction within a distraction, meant to allow for an opportune moment for the real plan: the dragon that dany is riding is actually arya shapeshifted as a dragon. arya then shapeshifts back into little girl form in mid-air and ends up free-fall dolphin diving straight into cersei's bedroom window, landing directly on top of her. both arya and cersei explode on impact all at once. everyobne else dies as well in uhhh explosions and fire and stuff and the king of middle earth ends up being tormund by default.
anarchistfish 05.13.19	surely varys isn't dumb enough to die like this
anarchistfish 05.13.19	omg
anarchistfish 05.13.19	damn dany went full darth plagueis
anarchistfish 05.13.19	what the fuck was euron's gameplan?
anarchistfish 05.13.19	well better ep than last one at least
EoinCofa 05.13.19	Best episode!!!!!!! Loved it!
Maco097 05.13.19	Boring
EoinCofa 05.13.19	WTF??? What were you watching?
EoinCofa 05.13.19	Doof is right! You’ve all gone mad
anarchistfish 05.13.19	she literally went full order 66
anarchistfish 05.13.19	varys died for this
zaruyache 05.13.19	palpatine not plagueis lol. and yeah she did. full on PTSD meltdown.
anarchistfish 05.13.19	i know what i said bitch
anarchistfish 05.13.19	don't question my star wars credentials
anarchistfish 05.13.19	what im saying is that episode felt like RotS
trilo 05.13.19	they actually ruined jamie's character. they actually did it what the fuck
outliers 05.13.19	Where the fuck did Tyrion go tho
Storm In A Teacup 05.13.19	Guess Arya is gonna have to feel cute again and kill another King/Queen.
outliers 05.13.19	Is he chilling with the other 18k golden company that randomly disappeared too
anarchistfish 05.13.19	"they actually ruined jamie's character. they actually did it" it was fine
trilo 05.13.19	it was garbage
outliers 05.13.19	Was better than lazily killing Varys off 5 minutes into the show
trilo 05.13.19	at least varys had it coming for a long time with his character being reduced to eunuch jokes the past couple seasons jamie's entire motivations flipped in one scene
zaruyache 05.13.19	i didn't hate this one yeah. beginning with varys was eh but the rest was OK. I was more bothered by the bad blood effects everywhere.
outliers 05.13.19	still pretty flawed but compared to the last two shit show episodes this was par with seasons 1-4
Deez 05.13.19	Dare i say I actually enjoyed that. Loads of hollywood shite but it is what it is now. Best of the season for me that. The bars not high though
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	Lmao hal1 the image of Arya dive bombing from thousands of feet up in the air through cerceis window for the assassination has me weak
outliers 05.13.19	Arya 100000000% killing Dany next episode can’t have a man killing her in 2019
zaruyache 05.13.19	arya's definitely going to kill her. no point having her chicken out and decide against vengeance just so she could walk through hellfire and witness all the unnecessary death for no reason at all. she's going to at least try to be a queenslayer but it won't work, jon will end up trying to protect dany or something, dany tries to execute jon for treason, he kills her. with how mad dany is getting you know it's just going to result in a lot of quick bad decisions on her part that'll end with her getting stabbed.
Deez 05.13.19	Absolute shit way to kill cersie though after 8 years or whatever i wanted to see her stabbed in the face or some shit
Storm In A Teacup 05.13.19	Sansa is dead. Jon is dead. Danny is dead.
DominionMM1 05.13.19	so it was the bells then eh
zaruyache 05.13.19	nah sansa's gonna sit and become queen in the north once shit hits the fan. who needs an iron throne anyway. also is winter over now or???
trilo 05.13.19	based on the preview for the next ep winter is back lol
Gyromania 05.13.19	"Seeders: 788 Leechers: 8985" i fucking hate people.
MO 05.13.19	It was an ok episode. Season still feels rushed to shit tho
JeetJeet 05.13.19	Bruh Cleganebowl had me TWEAKIN lmaooo
JeetJeet 05.13.19	Why tf The Mountain just look like a buff ass undead Varys?
JeetJeet 05.13.19	Qyburn went out sad lmfaoooooo
EoinCofa 05.13.19	Qyburn’s death was perfect. Mountain killed his Maker.
Skoop 05.13.19	This episode was fine but needed like a solid 3 or 4 episodes preceding it. These character arcs wouldn't feel so janky if they were dramatized better.
Scoot 05.13.19	i can’t believe it’s going out like this it’s like nine years of filet mignon and then being served pork steak
Deez 05.13.19	'This episode was fine but needed like a solid 3 or 4 episodes preceding it. These character arcs wouldn't feel so janky if they were dramatized better.' word
hal1ax 05.13.19	bitch went full charles manson
Scoot 05.13.19	they absolutely shit all over jaime lannister’s entire career arc
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	Honestly only decent episode so far for s8
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	Darth Clegane tho lmao
hal1ax 05.13.19	idk why tyrion ratted out varys considering it just made dany cognizant of the fact that tyrion also knew about and blew her secret. i also thought he'd keep varys in his back pocket in case dany went awol and he ended up wanting to opt to conspire with him against her. just no tactical acumen left
JeetJeet 05.13.19	This show is going to age like milk but tbh this final season has been a gloriously entertaining trainwreck
WatchItExplode 05.13.19	I wanted tyrion to let varus out of a dungeon button stead he let his stupid brother out who just f**** everything up anyway
WatchItExplode 05.13.19	1st episode this season I really enjoyed though
Faraudo 05.13.19	Glad to see that some of you guys at least thought this episode was decent. It really tried to fix last week's average-at best episode
Storm In A Teacup 05.13.19	This episode was awful lol
hal1ax 05.13.19	Na
Faraudo 05.13.19	Nope, it was pretty good.
J() Alexander 05.13.19	Lmao @ this show.
Gyromania 05.13.19	daenerys is def the worst pos in GoT
Slex 05.13.19	Far in the future, when this era of television has been written into history, people will look back at this magnificent but shaky show and all will agree, through all the beauty, through all the death, through all the triumph and misery, only but one word mattered in the end: MOTHERFUCKING CLEGANEBOWL
dimsim3478 05.13.19	@gyro join a private tracker
SitarHero 05.13.19	Yo, you think all those ppl who named their kids"Khaleesi" regret it now?
outliers 05.13.19	Tyrions character is such a damn joke now
dimsim3478 05.13.19	only insofar as he doesnt rlly do fuck all anymore he was more interesting when he was sitting in a dungeon for most of the season
hobblepot 05.13.19	so long as no one kills the dragon, I'm satisfied. Jon is going to kill Dani, he'll either sit on the throne, give it someone to else, or destroy the throne and that'll be it
outliers 05.13.19	still would like to know how 20k golden company were defeated in 30 seconds
Papa Universe 05.13.19	and nobody's talking about the actual main television event this Sunday: Veep finale
InFlamesWeThrash666 05.13.19	"still would like to know how 20k golden company were defeated in 30 seconds" They were stupid enough to line up outside of the walls for a siege
TheSpirit 05.13.19	that episode sucked so hard lmao holy shit
Tundra 05.13.19	Okay, this season is irredeemable now, SO MUCH WRONG WHERE TO EVEN BEGIN, I'll just sum it up by calling it an absolute fucking travesty, awful awful AWFUL ending
outliers 05.13.19	boy it was irredeemable the second the night king was defeated by a 5 foot tall girl with a dagger
polyrhythm 05.13.19	A five foot tall ninja assassin who has spent 8 seasons slowly honing her killing skills + a Valyrian steel dagger
polyrhythm 05.13.19	Pretty good episode imo. Hate how Jaime/Cersei went out, and the Mad Queen Dany shit would have been way better with a longer buildup... Otherwise sweet
outliers 05.13.19	poly thinks the walking dead is good in 2019
butt. 05.13.19	1500 comments omg
Papa Universe 05.13.19	The Walking Dead is still around?
wwf 05.13.19	ive seen pointed out that dany locked her dragons up for like a full season because they killed one innocent child if that isnt the most concrete proof that this episode ate sloppy asshole idk what is
hal1ax 05.13.19	that isn't proof of shit. that happened in like s2 or 3... characters change lol. by that logic you should be confounded that any character did what they wouldn't have done in the beginning of their arcs
TheSpirit 05.13.19	it was still a shit shift in character ...at no point has dany shown a willingness or in this case eagerness to torch innocents, just the ones in power. it **makes sense** she would get to that point eventually but they did this without providing the proper build.
hal1ax 05.13.19	she burnt sam's father and brother alive lol. she has been on a pretty steady trajectory toward being a ruthless, mercurial tyrant for a while imo. of course it could've been a better build-up, everything could be better. it definitely wasn't out of the blue though or anything remotely surprising.
outliers 05.13.19	she was the "mother" of thousands of civilians/slaves like 13 episodes ago, which wasn't that long ago lol her arc was stupid rushed
hal1ax 05.13.19	even in those seasons she was making those like machiavellian / utilitarian moral justifications. like when she found the child nailed to the post on the way to mereen or whatever and she had every master crucified because of it. she's always been unstable. were her actions in this episode a bit of a leap? sure. have there been what could be considered some sharp catalysts in the last few episodes? feeling completely estranged, betrayed by everyone, death of messandei, etc etc.
JeetJeet 05.13.19	Dany never really gave a fuck about the people. She's the kind of person that will free slaves simply to build an army for leverage. The show makes this painfully obvious and I'm surprised people still think she was the moral compass all this time.
hal1ax 05.13.19	i'm not saying it wasn't rushed but it also wasn't unexpected
JeetJeet 05.13.19	"she burnt sam's father and brother alive lol." Not only that, once she broke the news to Sam she didn't even give a simple "My bad. I was wylin with that one. Sorry bout killing your family." She literally stared at him as he cried. SHE GIVES NO FUCKS lol
TheSpirit 05.13.19	""she burnt sam's father and brother alive lol." they were soldiers in the opposing army who refused to bend the knee? certainly not the same as random civilians in king's landing? her killing of masters / slave laborers / people of power in previous seasons is completely different than her randomly snapping and flaming thousands of poor randos. and yes, it's been a mess of a few episodes for her but it all still feels very sudden and rushed imo. she went as crazy as her dad was in 1/10th of the time yes, she
TheSpirit 05.13.19	and why would the fact that they are sam's family matter to her in the slightest, she barely knows sam lol, she doesn't have the same relationship with him as the viewer does
TheSpirit 05.13.19	i will say it was an incredible episode visually though
JeetJeet 05.13.19	"and why would the fact that they are sam's family matter to her in the slightest, she barely knows sam lol" She doesn't know any of the innocent people in King's Landing either, why would she give a fuck about burning civilians in enemy territory?
hal1ax 05.13.19	Dude I’m not saying all of those scenarios are equivalent. I’m saying she has never been a moral / ethical ruler. She has always acted on impulse and justified her emotionally-charged decisions after the fact. She’s also always been very defensive and when she feels like she’s being cornered or pursued she lashes out. You’re allowed to feel like it were rushed tho. Everything in the show is rushed.
outliers 05.13.19	seemed odd she intentionally leveled every building and killed every civilian in KL while largely ignoring the tower cersei was in lol
hobblepot 05.13.19	Dani has been going mad since the beginning. Sure this episode sort of rushed it along, but it was coming. She did a David Beckham, does loads of nice shit but LOSES the plot when she isn't rewarded with the love and recognition she thinks she deserves. Not to mention she found out her boyfriend is related to her, AND he's now her biggest rival for the throne. The needless slaughtering of thousands of innocents was a little tough to sit through, which was refreshing, for the first time since season 6 I've actually winced at the violence. I might just be a pussy but watching all those people die for no reason was nasty. I do also hate how Jaime and Cersei went out, I wanted Jaime to be the one to kill her, and to make her suffer. Not get squished by the ceiling.
EoinCofa 05.13.19	Dany not taking out the tower I thought that was obviously by design. Dany knew Cersei would be watching her whole city being burned/destroyed, her army being crushed and attempting to surrender, hearing ringing of the bells. I thought it was just great. Then the evil Cersei buckles and breaks and attempts to take a coward’s way out, only to be blocked and smashed. What a great demoralizer.
LelandAB 05.13.19	Dany's prophecy of finding the Throne in quiet ash is coming true.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	Lmao ppl defending Dany, anyone with half a brain has known she was a villain for like 5 seasons now and that's the entire irony of the sjw Dany stans
EoinCofa 05.13.19	You can’t defend a villain???? It’s the “game of thrones”; everyone playing the game is an evil powermonger. The “good” person Jon Snow, doesn’t want any part of that throne
outliers 05.13.19	Yeah good point Eoin, though imo Cersei dying by the Valonqar prophecy would have been infinitely better ending
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	@eoin defending her as a good guy I meant obviously
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	I'm sure doof will have some way of rationalizing cersei's death into jaimie 'metaphorically' killing her or something this fulfilling
EoinCofa 05.13.19	Well she’s definitely a baddie
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	in all honesty, witnessing daenerys transforming into a mass murderer and becoming what she claimed she wasn't ("I'm not my father"), was one of the best things i've seen in this show "you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Pangea 05.13.19	deanerys becoming the mad queen was likely to happen and probably what george rr martin has planned i reckon. just wished they would have build more gradually towards it though the last two seasons rather than having her change from ruthless but fairly reasonable to a mass murder in like two or three episodes
Pangea 05.13.19	i hate hate how they ended jaime's storyline. what a waste of an arc
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	All Jaime ever wanted was to be with his sister even if that would claim his life. He got what he wanted. "just wished they would have build more gradually towards it" Yeah, the writing was a bit sloppy on that part, however, the fewer episodes didn't help either. But we knew those last two seasons that things will be rushed. At least i did. "probably what george rr martin has planned" I honestly want to see how his version of the story will unfold. I Hope he does get to finish his books sometime...
Zorg 05.13.19	This season just doesn't feel like watching a fully fleshed out story anymore, but one that is told with bullet points. It feels rushed and therefore some of the decisions the characters are making feel random without enough exposition on why they're behaving contrary to how they've behaved in the last 5 seasons. I'm fine with Dany going mad and even Jamie going back to Cersei, but it felt like there was too little build up to these decisions and instead they just did 180s for no apparent reason.
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	GOT has been like that since season 6, get over it guys
Maco097 05.13.19	And people compare this show with The Wire?
Pangea 05.13.19	''All Jaime ever wanted was to be with his sister even if that would claim his life. He got what he wanted.'' hmm. i can see this point. i am mostly disappointed because in the books he seems to be moving away from cersei but that aspect hasn't been as strong in the show anyway. still would have liked to see him realizing that he doesn't need cersei to be happy. but not only that. him stating that he doesn't care about the innocent people bothered me. did the bath scene with brienne not matter at all? i thought that the reason he became the kingslayer was to protect innocents
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	"that aspect hasn't been as strong in the show anyway" Watch the e4 behind the scenes. The showrunners always wanted to depict a version of the character who's sort of addicted to his sister. His decision to go fight up in the north was just the last honest fragment of a character that wanted to do one last heroic act before the end. "did the bath scene with brienne not matter at all? i thought that the reason he became the kingslayer was to protect innocents" It probably mattered, but in the end, his intoxication to his sister will always get the better of him. I also believe that his act of killing a king was partially because it was in his family interest. I don't think he would ever commit murder if the mad king was, lets say, his father. "And people compare this show with The Wire?" No one compared the shows. That's idiotic. The Wire and Breaking Bad are the best tv shows ever filmed.
Pangea 05.13.19	''Watch the e4 behind the scenes. The showrunners always wanted to depict a version of the character who's sort of addicted to his sister.'' i see. i don't really like this vision but fair enough i suppose "I don't think he would ever commit murder if the mad king was, lets say, his father." fair point but i do believe the more important reason for him was protecting the city form getting burned. unless he lied to brienne during the bath scene
anarchistfish 05.13.19	alt shift x made a point how Jaime is an exploration of the limits of redemption and links it to something GRRM said (i think). I thought it was a good point
Pangea 05.13.19	i saw that yeah. i really like that point actually. I don't think he should or even deserves to be redeemed. but i do wish they had a different ending for him rather than him just deciding to die with cersei. felt like a regression of his storyline to me
anarchistfish 05.13.19	idk this episode is pretty despairing overall which feels contrived when the long night was such a picnic in comparison, but i don't really disagree with it here. they were both basically fucked anyway
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	Yeah I'm fine with how jaime ended up playing out tbh. It makes sense imo.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	The only true regression of his character arch was when he raped his sister
dimsim3478 05.13.19	"i thought that the reason he became the kingslayer was to protect innocents" remember how he pushed that kid outta the window in ep 1
Pangea 05.13.19	yeah the rape scene was bad
anarchistfish 05.13.19	the whole irony of the kingslayer thing was he was hated for the best thing he'd ever done
BeyondCosby 05.13.19	This season should have either been a normal season's length or it should have been movie length episodes. Just some thoughts. 1- The coming storm. North prepares for battle. 2- The night before. Great final moments with some characters. 3- The long night. Kill all the same character but include Rhaegal, Sam, and Missandei (maybe Brienne also, since nothing comes of her and Jamie). 4- The aftermath. John and Dany deal with his real identity. We begin to see signs of Dany's frustration/ lack of counsel. 5- The armies march south. Cersi and Dany have their first confrontation. Maybe Cersi even reveals she knows John is the true heir. Develop Dany's madness completely in this episode. 6- The sack of King's Landing. Order 66. Jamie strangles Cersi despite her being the love of his life and the mother of his child in hopes that it will stop Dany. 7- Dany takes her seat at the throne. Bran goes back in time to become the Night King in hopes that, knowing the past, he can prevent Dany from destroying King's Landing. John kills Dany and each of the seven kingdoms rules itself without one unifying ruler.
anarchistfish 05.13.19	i read that the producers specifically pressured HBO to give them the 6 episode length? really wouldn't surprise me. they wanted the big set pieces but the story suffered as a result
EoinCofa 05.13.19	I enjoyed watching Drogon strafe Kingslanding! I guess I’m evil
anarchistfish 05.13.19	i enjoyed it in the same way I enjoy Just Cause and 9/11 replays
Egarran 05.13.19	First episode I've really wanted to end. I had hoped that it would be fascinating, like watching a train wreck, but who am I kidding, it was mostly just lame. Also I wanted the episode to end so I could enjoy all the memes shitting on it.
outliers 05.13.19	"i enjoyed it in the same way I enjoy Just Cause and 9/11 replays" lol
trilo 05.13.19	the problem with jamie's arc is, like many storylines this season, the fact it was rushed. he was full-blown redemption mode and then in literally one scene his motivations flip. if they wanted him to relapse back to his addiction then show the dude struggling to maintain the path he was on. there was no hints, no foreshadowing, nothing. if you need a behind the scenes episode the convey a character's struggle with his addiction you're not doing a very good job.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	Everything is rushed ya but that is old news now. From an action standpoint this was the only dec episode so far. Lots of got signature brutality
Pangea 05.13.19	''remember how he pushed that kid outta the window in ep 1'' that was horrible, not denying that. i don't think he's a great guy. but it's showed that atleast he cares (or used to care anyway) for innocents with breaking his most important vow in order to save thousands. considering his arc since season 3 has made him a better person (except for the rape scene, that was a huge misstep) it feels odd to me that he claims to not care now. I do agree, however, that he does not deserve any redemptions for his actions. he still has done horrible shit
Gyromania 05.13.19	agree with that trilo, so many arcs were rushed, made it hard to buy into the more emotional moments. i can't believe the showrunners made me feel bad for cersei and hate daenerys. also daenerys' character arc is a fucking joke. she wins the war and instead of just killing cersei she's like "nah, i think i'll burn hundreds of thousands of mothers and their children first". fucking braindead character regression. she's been growing more and more conceited and her desire for the throne has made her a broken fucking record, but what she did in this episode is psychotic beyond measure. the single most evil act anyone's committed in the series.
BeyondCosby 05.13.19	I can totally see her character arc but, just as everyone has said, it was rushed. Needed to show the slow decline of her control over her emotions. She burns the city before Cersi because she wanted to her to feel that same sense of powerlessness. It''s fucked up, but I dug it. At this point she just wants the throne.
Pangea 05.13.19	i think it was always gonna be her endpoint but it was rushed. i would have accepted it as well if she was backed in a corner during the battle and felt like she had no choice. this was psychopathic out of nowhere
Gyromania 05.13.19	lol what throne? is she going to rule over a city of ash? everything she did up to this point showed her as difficult but usually fair. even killing sam's father and brother, it was a ruthless execution but she did at least give them the choice. this time, the enemy surrenders and she massacres probably close to a million innocents. i didn't feel like her arc had a good segue into this, which made me kind of hate it. also can you imagine what a financial disaster this would be
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	"the single most evil act anyone's committed in the series" And right at the second place is her father with his mad actions. How fitting. The apple didn't fall far from the tree. It's almost poetic if you ask me.
twlight 05.13.19	Jamie and Cersi death was pathetic imo, would have rather he killed her when they were embraced and then die from his wounds from Euron. they could have collapsed together and we'd still get the whole "entered and exited the world together" trope. Everything else was visually stunning but felt really rushed. I definitely expected Dany to go full bat shit crazy, but as others said it should have been developed more over a few episodes men of the north and unsullied going full barbaric was really dumb.
TheSpirit 05.13.19	"lol what throne? is she going to rule over a city of ash? everything she did up to this point showed her as difficult but usually fair. even killing sam's father and brother, it was a ruthless execution but she did at least give them the choice. this time, the enemy surrenders and she massacres probably close to a million innocents. i didn't feel like her arc had a good segue into this, which made me kind of hate it." yeah, this so hard. ALSO, what the fuck is up with Tyrion this episode? I know he's progressively getting more dim, but what the fuck? At first I thought him turning in Varys was something unspoken but planned between them to ensure at least one of them survives in case Daenerys goes off the rails, but no? And Varys? Did he just get bad at sneaking around? He spent so many years successful manipulating people / moving information / plotting? Then they catch wind of his betrayal immediately? Huh? I'm so mad for what they've done to those two.
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	"he still has done horrible shit" as most of the characters have done again and again in this fictional world if you think about it
Gyromania 05.13.19	it seemed contrived to me. esp for a show that's known for subverting expectations. apparently the prophecy from the start was correct all along and she was always going to turn into a murderous psychopath, which is kind of boring. also wtf is euron's character in this show? jesus christ man. that final scene "i'm the man who killed jaime lannister"... he didn't give two shits about jaime. he didn't admire him or consider him a great warrior, yet he seems happy as a pig in shit, as though he'd just slain a god. fucking retarded, esp for a character who himself wants to become a god. i feel they handled his character extremely poorly.
Gyromania 05.13.19	yeah spirit i have to agree, tyrion has become a total joke of a character. for a man who was shown to be so brilliant in earlier seasons, i can't believe how fucking naive he is now. he has zero intuition and consistently makes the wrong decisions. only justification imo is he's lost a substantial amount of brain cells over years of drinking strong af wine. varys not appealing for his life or making any effort to hide was also upsetting and not at all in line with his character
EoinCofa 05.13.19	Is tyrion going to get dracarys’d?
Zorg 05.13.19	Yeah, I just pretend show Euron doesn't exist.
anarchistfish 05.13.19	"this time, the enemy surrenders and she massacres probably close to a million innocents." probably no more than like 50k rly
anarchistfish 05.13.19	tyrion is now hand of the king to aegon snow
Trebor. 05.13.19	Show just became torture porn lol
TheSpirit 05.13.19	it has an estimated pop of 500k, so I am thinking at least 1/5 was exterminated last episode
anarchistfish 05.13.19	are we talking overall or just from the dragon cos that would require some germanic efficiency
outliers 05.13.19	didn't cersei herd in civilians from the surrounding area too
anarchistfish 05.13.19	oh maybe
Trebor. 05.13.19	Turns out that Robert Baratheon was the hero the whole time and was right about wanting to kill Dany in season
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	"I enjoyed watching Drogon strafe Kingslanding" me too, I just wanted to see kings landing burn since season 1
DoofDoof 05.13.19	told you Drogon would do his dragon brothers proud
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	"Turns out that Robert Baratheon was the hero the whole time and was right about wanting to kill Dany in season" true, hahaha
Gyromania 05.13.19	i've heard a few characters before using 'millions' when referring to the population but i'm not certain. considering how many homeless there are sleeping in alleyways and shit, i think we can assume the population is a bit denser than it might look, but even then king's landing looks absolutely massive. some of these more recent episodes have really shown the scale of it.
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	Just rewatched the episode in HD. I agree that the script could have been better, but the direction is superb. And the score brings so many chills. miguel sapochnik is such a capable director
anarchistfish 05.13.19	score was good yh
anarchistfish 05.13.19	there were just barely any cities with populations in the millions before modernity
DoofDoof 05.13.19	I liked that Dany's hate was echoed by Greyworm - just that purity of hate you get in war. Irrational but unstoppable.
Gyromania 05.13.19	the set pieces and cinematography were so on point this episode, i have to admit. everything looked great, huge props to the special fx dept. the characters being so poorly written is too hard to overlook though.
GhostB1rd 05.13.19	All I'm saying is a shitload of people are like "Whoa that turn came outta nowhere" and a shitload of people are like "Duh, of course that's the direction she was heading since S1". Y'all can't both be right.
Pangea 05.13.19	yeah everything besides the writing was great
GhostB1rd 05.13.19	I guess what I'm getting at is that the show has so many followers now that you're gonna get huge swaths of people claiming every fucking thing under the sun.
Pangea 05.13.19	she always was gonna turn but they way she turned was way too rushed
Gyromania 05.13.19	i think it's kind of cliche that a prophecy must come to pass, and i was hoping that she'd defy the odds and change the outcome, not turn into some generic villain. or at least have something push her off the edge. like have drogon take a few hits, maybe greyworm dies and jon or something, and she just goes insane and kills everyone. there was no motivation for her sudden insanity. it was like a switch had just been flipped and now she's 1000% nuts all of a sudden. idk, i don't think this is good writing. i think it's entertaining as hell and very well produced but it's certainly disappointing overall
Pangea 05.13.19	like there have been hints she was going to go mad queen for ages but the way she changed from ruthless to psychopathic in just few episodes was not developed enough
GhostB1rd 05.13.19	https://twitter.com/JamesHowlett396/status/1127764166041714689
SpiritCrusher2 05.13.19	not sure why are people complaining about what Dani did in the episode, I thought itwas the best thing about it tbh
Gyromania 05.13.19	like i said, visually it was awesome, but they ruined a character to do it.
DoofDoof 05.13.19	Who was badly written? I mean the Euron thing was a bit contrived (swimming to shore alone? at just the right moment?) but at least I believed Jaime would really hate Euron. I thought everyone else was spot on really. Greyworm and Dany have been built up well, all the moderate voices slowly being pruned from the entourage. Qyburn being killed by his creation was obvious in retrospect but hilarious in a way, just bang - you gone. Thought the Jaime and Tyrion stuff was important to show. Cersie and Jaime at the end was just a case of 'just show them dying' - I don't think a Jaime mercy killing would have worked, just a bit too much melodrama (yeah, in this show!)...but...it wasn't the greatest death for two 'beloved?' characters though. Still a 9 or 10 out of 10 episode for me. It feels like a natural conclusion to the series :/
EoinCofa 05.13.19	@spirit same here. Dany gave Cersei plenty of time to surrender but Cersei f’d with her to the end. So, Cersei is to blame for driving Dany batshit!
outliers 05.13.19	dont forget Euron sitting on his ass watching Jaime re-arm himself before getting killed
DoofDoof 05.13.19	I really wanted Euron to actually kill Jaime in that scene but he had to hug Cersei a few times
DoofDoof 05.13.19	'lol what throne? is she going to rule over a city of ash? everything she did up to this point showed her as difficult but usually fair. even killing sam's father and brother, it was a ruthless execution but she did at least give them the choice. this time, the enemy surrenders and she massacres probably close to a million innocents. i didn't feel like her arc had a good segue into this, which made me kind of hate it.' She is a foreigner, She has zero friends other than a military commander who just lost the love of his life (who is also your closest friend) by execution by his enemies in front of him. She has lost two 'children' in this land and its various 'peoples' (are White Walkers peoples? Not really). She has found out all her other 'allies' have betrayed her one way or another. Jon will never love her the way she wants and she believes his family will turn him in the end. She has little to lose - little to live for really, other than her one remaining child (which happens to literally be a monster).
Gyromania 05.13.19	so kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. airtight logic.
EoinCofa 05.13.19	Yes, it was a show of true hatred. Loved it
outliers 05.13.19	i think she has that little iron throne thing to live for burning the entire city to the ground kinda jeopardizes that, no?
DoofDoof 05.13.19	people always said the dragons were 'pressing the nuclear button' I don't know...it's been there a while - you can demonise a whole people, a whole race, in your mind in war - it isn't logical, it's like a 'revenge genocide'. I'm sure it has happened in real history - someone topping some monarch's wife and then him wiping out a whole city or race in revenge. I guess Robert's whole conquest was similar (he was effectively a racist, happy to commit genocide) so that's a bit of mirroring. I think the whole 'I want to be Mother Theresa' thing was always a bit precarious when you really want to conquer. The things you love are in the firing line in war and they get hurt...and if they do...
polyrhythm 05.13.19	Dany’s sanity has been slowly declining for seasons. The fact the final threads snapped within a (feature-length) episode or two sits okay with me. Just wish we got a smidge more of paranoia and irrationality before she went fucking ballistic.
DoofDoof 05.13.19	'little iron throne thing to live for' She can rebuild a city or a throne and she said in the episode she had no qualms ruling through fear as she knows she will never be loved by westerosi people (the battle of winterfell proved as much)
polyrhythm 05.13.19	I saw a post on reddit suggesting Rhaegal should have gotten killed this episode, and not last. Then the death of a second dragon (maybe a really brutal and gory one, drenching Dany in blood type shit) could have been what pushed her over the edge.
outliers 05.13.19	well when arya or jon kill her off next episode, i think she'll realize she made the wrong decision
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	"also wtf is euron's character in this show? jesus christ man. that final scene "i'm the man who killed jaime lannister"... he didn't give two shits about jaime. he didn't admire him or consider him a great warrior, yet he seems happy as a pig in shit, as though he'd just slain a god" Euron is a badly written character but those final lines were fitting and true to his character. He is a megalomaniac who enjoys humiliating other characters. He always bragged about himself, how he's going to fuck the queen and how he's gonna take his place beside her. To him, killing the last true valiant man of the Lannister family along with his impression that he impregnated the "queen of the 7 kingdoms, was nothing but food for his ego.
EoinCofa 05.13.19	I just think Dany had just about everything ultimately taken away from her by Cersei. Pretty easy to grasp why she snapped. I don’t think you need to waste an episode showing emotional evolution. That kind of freak out occurs in real life
DoofDoof 05.13.19	I still don't think Dany is a 'generic villain' otherwise we wouldn't be discussing her decline - I still think she's less generic than Joffrey or even Cersei. I think the fact she wasn't actually groomed to rule is showing, similar to Joffrey she had power too early and missed the stages where you develop the 'wisdom' Tywin was talking about. She put too much she loved on the line, she did her own dirty work but risked going mad with military might, she was filled by righteousness and a sense of self important destiny. She'd always been told a history that should have made her hate a whole continent...in the end, despite her intentions, it has made her hate a whole continent. I think the next episode will be interesting in the aftermath.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	Euron for worst character ya
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	"dont forget Euron sitting on his ass watching Jaime re-arm himself before getting killed" same thing with what happened to prince oberyn; he underestimate the situation
DoofDoof 05.13.19	I will agree - Euron, despite not minding the actor or even how he played it....didn't make a whole lot of sense.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	Dany roasting the city was a no brainer super obvious duh and literally the best thing about the ep ya, aside from everyones reactions
DoofDoof 05.13.19	I liked Tyrion waiting for the bells and you're thinking 'nah, that's a fool's hope chap'
Trebor. 05.13.19	"the set pieces and cinematography were so on point this episode, i have to admit. everything looked great, huge props to the special fx dept." Most of the composite shots looked like complete ass to me
DoofDoof 05.13.19	Big question: is Dany still a good empowered role model for yung women?
GhostB1rd 05.13.19	"How to talk to your daughter named Khaleesi" articles ftw.
DoofDoof 05.13.19	Been a long time waiting for a female name as reviled as ‘Adolf’ yippee Will be fun watching the show again knowing just how low she goes in the end
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	just want to ask all those who have read the books, has martin foreshadowed that Daenerys might be a villain after all? is she capable of becoming a mad monarch like her father before her?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	That pikachu meme is every mom who named their kid Khaleesi or Dany as well as Shangela from Ru Paul and also every feminist or SJW Dany stan after watching that ep
GhostB1rd 05.13.19	"Here's why Dany was right to burn all the men in King's Landing..."
zaruyache 05.13.19	" has martin foreshadowed that Daenerys might be a villain " I read the last book in like 2013 so my memory's not great but that book ends with her riding off on Drogon when he re-appears at the fighting pits, and I don't think she's really had much time to make questionable decisions yet. She's still in the early days of trying to be a ruler there.
BigBlob 05.13.19	just finished watching it. euron is so fking pointless. that is all. bye
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	thanks zaruyache i'm just wondering if that's what martin had in his mind all along and whether she's going down on that same path in the books
TheNotrap 05.13.19	Easily one of the best episodes. Epic
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	*men women and children ghost
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	And eunuchs probably because show isnt lacking in them
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	still thinking what's going to happen to Bronn, Yara & Sam
rockandmetaljunkie 05.13.19	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=751ae5QcCbQ well, kit warned us...
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.13.19	Would be fine with yara and sam just not appearing again
Deez 05.14.19	Already won the war. Cersie is there in her big tower , She killed my best mate could burn the fuck out of her and her little crew now....Wait ive got a better idea lets go FULL rogue and take out the whole city im going to rule over including the tens of thousands of innocents she doesnt give a fuck about anyway. Absolutely fucking stupid. Jamie sat in his sell saying he never gave a shit about the innocents of kings landing anyway even though hes famous for putting a sword through someone who tried nuking them. Just let this travesty of a season end please.
EoinCofa 05.14.19	^negative. It was spectacular
ZippaThaRippa 05.14.19	Euron got rough treatment man. Will definitely go down as the worst adapted character.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	@deez but when has Dany been anything other than absolutely fucking stupid? I for one am thrilled that she went full retard. True to form.
Deez 05.14.19	^negative. It was spectacular' I enjoyed it. More than any of the others in this piss stain of a season but thats cos ive accepted it for what it is now. Hollywood none sense that doesnt care anyomre about what character development came before of because they have to rush to the finish line and anything else is of little consequence.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Pretty much everyones reactions to the bell ringing and then Dany saying "fuck it all" were on point. Greyworm was right there with her. Love when he just lowers his spear again
Deez 05.14.19	She locked her dragons away for fucking days for burning a kid didnt she? Now shes gonna fry all of them cos her nephew wont bone her foh
Deez 05.14.19	In the future ill look at people who say the loved this season in the same way as people who tell me they watch reality shows.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Team Dany is just the most hateful lot
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Dude this season blows but Dany has never ever been anything other than a hypocrite, and a bullheaded idiot.
Deez 05.14.19	Actually take 2 I fucking hate kids so nice one Dany
Dewinged 05.14.19	On a shallow level, I enjoyed this season. Shit had to go down and hell, it went down. Writing was shit, cinematography was top. On a deeper level, the season needed an extra 6 chapters to build up. And I also wish the whitewalkers would have made the north flee south and have a 3 way battle royale in king's landing to end the show. 1 hour of breaking up is gonna be tough to swallow and probably a sour aftertaste after how great this show has been.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Actually flabergasting that people are confused about Dany torching the innocents and suggesting that her being the fucking worst is out of character lmao
Deez 05.14.19	Even for her though Pots thats next level fucking mental. Like didnt stop once and go 'actually might have over reacted there' Even though I guess NO women fuckng do that .Even after killing a couple of thousand just went 'fuck it burn em all'. We all knew that was coming but even so it felt so forced and quick despite it being obvious.
Deez 05.14.19	The moral of the story is ALWAYS bone your auntie when she asks
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	I mean everything this season has been rushed for sure but honestly Dany has been one retarded move away from a massacre for eons now
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Shes had a pretty solid downward spiral imo
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Also dont forget that cercei killed missy and missys last words were basically "burn them all". Greyworm wanted to kill them all too. And she had basically conceded to paranoia
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	In her eyes she was done, jon betrayed her everyone hated her and she wasnt getting the throne so it was revenge and fear time
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	How low a broken hoe go
Deez 05.14.19	Oh yeah forgot missy said that.
Deez 05.14.19	The only thing I was legit mad about in that episode was Cersies death. What a cop out. Of all the lame shit this season thats right up there. No fucking pay off for watching all those season of her being a cunt. In fact BOTH of the big evil baddies her and the NK were seen off pretty damn easily after all that
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	I'm actually a fan of Cersei, found her character arch pretty sympathetic, Lena Hedleys acting was great in her final moments and I felt for her
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Gonna be an unpopular take obviously but yeah, Cersei was one of the best remaining characters imo
Deez 05.14.19	oh wait and Jaimie And Tyrion carrying on being a dumb mfer And Varys the same Ah fuck here we go again..... Still though Aryas whole scene was dope
EoinCofa 05.14.19	Arya’s going to shiv Dany
Deez 05.14.19	I love Cersei but she was massively underused in this season. The dialogue has been wack for a couple of season now so maybe its better for her to stand there and say fuck all but just insisting the keep would stand while watching a dragon burn it down. Nah. It was lame, She came across weak as fuck at the end and deserved to be stabbed in the face after all the shit shes done but nothing but a reunion with her fuck bro whos been alive for an hour despite being stabbed twice pretty harshly in the ribs
Deez 05.14.19	Arya’s going to shiv Dany' yeah the most obvious thing outside Dany turning into a mental case. Theres no expectations to be subverted anymore
Deez 05.14.19	Maybe GRRM an d&d made a pact to make a dope af series and then completely ruin it at the end so everyone is so pissed they cant leave it like that and they all go and buy the books. $£$£ Gangsta
JeetJeet 05.14.19	The way they handled Dany's arc is pretty much the only truly good thing they've done this season, besides Cleganebowl. Everything else...trash. Entertaining trash but still trash.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Yeaaaaa
hal1ax 05.14.19	"Actually flabbergasting that people are confused about Dany torching the innocents and suggesting that her being the fucking worst is out of character lmao" agreed hard. i've been honestly expecting some shit like this from her for a while now. she's just been growing more and more irrational and volatile for a long time. and what doof said was spot on: she felt utterly estranged / betrayed in almost every way possible. it seems pretty par the course that dany ends up opting to rule over some dilapidated, tortured fraction of a body of people whom recognize her as some insurmountable overlord over an unscathed, whole body of people whom feel lukewarm about showing fealty to some bratty foreigner.
zaruyache 05.14.19	her development has been bad. her going bad was obvious but how they did it is such nonsense
EoinCofa 05.14.19	Yeah nonsense how her father was crazy, her family was overrun by Lannisters, her brother was crazy, she got raped, lost a couple of her dragon babies, was double crossed and lied to by Cersei, lost 99 percent of Dothraki army, lost jorah, lost missandei, Jon is the true heir, Jon won’t love her back, Sansa hates her, Varys betrayed her, Tyrion betrayed her. Come on, get the f out of here! How much foreshadowing do you need? I’m convinced half these peeps haven’t watched the whole series.
MetalMarcJK 05.14.19	-Arya kills Danaerys -Jon/Aegon takes the the throne but abdicates to Bran -Sansa is Queen in the North -Jon/Aegon rides around on Drogon, keeping the peace and dispensing the King's justice; every now and then, he goes to the Wall and burns a little piece odd the top just for fun; eventually, he becomes a pyro. - Tyrion is the Hand OTK, Samwell is the Maester, Davos is Master of Coin, and Arya becomes the Spymaster.
Trebor. 05.14.19	I wouldn't put it past the show to try to introduce some dumb ass plot twist in the final episode like FAegon and JonCon showing up or some shit just to have another stupid battle
zaruyache 05.14.19	"Come on, get the f out of here! How much foreshadowing do you need?" hOw MuCh FoReShAdOwInG dO YoU nEeD?/? That's such a lazy copout. The foreshadowing doesn't mean shit if the actual buildup to the twist is poor, and it was. Bad stuff happened to her all while she was in Esos and she never went nuts and decided to **murder children** then. It's bullshit how it was progressed in these last two episodes. She had her enemies on the ropes, utterly defenseless against her and surrendering. But she decided to massacre them anyway even though her MO from the very start was literally **not doing that**
Deez 05.14.19	Ya BuT hEr NepHeW wouLdn GIV her thE D yo, BitCH maD
Deez 05.14.19	Does anyone actually doubt the choice to make her flip and go mad though? All the fucking 'she was raped ,her friend died, people betrayed her' yeah great she went mad. We all knew that was coming. Makes perfect sense but STILL fucking stupid to have her burn tens of thousands shes trying to rule over when its already won and who the source of her recent distresses , cersei, doesnt give a flying fuck about anyway. Have her rip Cersies face off and wear it naked while torturing tyrion for treason or some shit but that on a dime 'fuck it im gonna kill all the innocent' when shes just got what she wanted. Its cheap for me. Hollywood shock tactics.
DominionMM1 05.14.19	yeah i didn’t feel like they handled her heel turn very well. i mean they did foreshadow it and we all knew it was coming because the plot demanded it but they really didn’t do enough to convey her inner turmoil that got her to the point of murdering thousands of people.
EoinCofa 05.14.19	This is a brutal war in a brutal world (and by the way, it’s fantasy). It’s crazy vs crazy. Yet, people are looking for benevolence. Funny stuff
EoinCofa 05.14.19	Would have made a great episode if Dany sprinkled pixie dust and the children of Kingslanding fed Drogon treats, and they all lived happily ever after
Deez 05.14.19	'By the way its fantasy' the biggest cop out there is that could be aimed at any grievance at any fantasy ever akin to 'By the way its not real' foh
DominionMM1 05.14.19	for a show that made its bones on nuance dany going full evil felt unearned but that’s pretty much been everything this season
hal1ax 05.14.19	so i mean yea it was totally rushed, and dany's decompensation could have used way more layering.. but to view it as 'she had her enemies submitted / has always been a champion of the downtrodden / didn't need to kill them' is just distorted to me. felt more like she was projecting her accumulated animus of westeros / king's landing onto the general populace and viewed them all as enemies in that moment and had been steadily slipping further into a sort of manic, tyrannical brand of morally ambiguous / delusional thinking for a while. like in the prior episode (or maybe the previous one) tyrion and jon and maybe someone else were having to plead with her to not slaughter all of king's landing to get to cersei. it didn't feel at all to me like she was grappling with that decision at any point, even if in that moment it were being framed as unfortunate inevitability to exact her rulership. i think she has sort of always blamed westeros as a whole for her misgivings and what not... maybe she genuinely wanted payback in the form of that type of outcome. to me the direction they took with her was interesting. dany has always wanted to rule westeros but at the same time has always resented and blamed them for her displacement in the world. dany leaning more into her negative impulses felt more in step with her gradual devolvement as a character. but yea it could have been less rushed for sure.
Deez 05.14.19	I can get down with that And as i said it one of the things i was least pissed at during that episode actually. An episode I actually enjoyed despite its massive flaws that are now synonymous with this season.
Skoop 05.14.19	I blame s7 for prioritizing events over character progression. I blame s7 and 8 for not compensating this by allowing for more material to further flesh out the story. I think there is certainly a compelling arc for Daenerys that ends where it has but it was not told.
Deez 05.14.19	[2]
Faraudo 05.14.19	Shit with Dany is pretty cool atm, episode 5 is better than everything they've done for the past 3 seasons and it gave me a bit of hope for the series finale. And speaking about season 7, it is waaaaaay worse than season 8.
Skoop 05.14.19	It's honestly more apparent now than ever how much of a meandering mess that whole season was.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Zaru Dany being an evil cunt isnt a twist dude it's just basic observation skills
Faraudo 05.14.19	Yup, episode 6 from season 7 basically destroyed the show.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Honestly do not remember a single thing about season 7
Faraudo 05.14.19	Dany has shown that she's an evil cunt across the entire show lol, but their friends and counselors basically babysitted her throught her entire arc to avoid a catastrophe. The show has made several mistakes along the way, but Dany becoming evil is not one of them, and it's been coming since forever.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	I actually rewatched season 1 episode 1 recently and was like "wait a minute, has this show always sucked??"
Faraudo 05.14.19	"Honestly do not remember a single thing about season 7" Episode 6 is the one on which they go beyond the wall to retrieve an undead soldier and they lose a dragon which is later dragged from the bottom of the lake with gigantic chains lmao
EoinCofa 05.14.19	Yeah! Where did they get those chains from??
DominionMM1 05.14.19	“Dany has shown that she's an evil cunt across the entire show“ not really. dany didn’t need to be talked into saving women from being raped by dothraki or freeing slaves in all those cities in essos
Faraudo 05.14.19	Man, how the fuck did they chained the dragon? They can't fucking swim lol, did they scuba dived or some shit? That's why I'm not being that harsh with season 8, season 7 pulled those fucking stunts
Faraudo 05.14.19	"not really. dany didn’t need to be talked into saving women from being raped by dothraki or freeing slaves in all those cities in essos" That's what makes a good villain, they give the audience hope with some of the good stuff they make along the way, just to make them go fucking nuts after. Daenerys going crazy was warranted. It felt incredibly rushed, but I see where they wanted to go with that.
hal1ax 05.14.19	oh yea i remember. the whole dany being somehow blindsided by the dude loudly indicating to everyone that he's about to aim and throw a spear right at her dragon scene.
Faraudo 05.14.19	Yup, that's the one hal. The entire episode is a clusterfuck.
EoinCofa 05.14.19	“Man, how the fuck did they chained the dragon? They can't fucking swim lol, did they scuba dived or some shit?” Hahahaha!!!!!
DominionMM1 05.14.19	“That's what makes a good villain, they give the audience hope with some of the good stuff they make along the way, just to make them go fucking nuts after. Daenerys going crazy was warranted. It was incredibly rushed, but I see where they wanted to go with that.” true but that doesn’t mean she’s always been pure evil. there was benevolence in her and the show in my opinion never really made much effort to demonstrate how that benevolence seemingly disappeared so quickly.
TheSpirit 05.14.19	"so i mean yea it was totally rushed, and dany's decompensation could have used way more layering.. but to view it as 'she had her enemies submitted / has always been a champion of the downtrodden / didn't need to kill them' is just distorted to me. felt more like she was projecting her accumulated animus of westeros / king's landing onto the general populace and viewed them all as enemies in that moment and had been steadily slipping further into a sort of manic, tyrannical brand of morally ambiguous / delusional thinking for a while. like in the prior episode (or maybe the previous one) tyrion and jon and maybe someone else were having to plead with her to not slaughter all of king's landing to get to cersei. it didn't feel at all to me like she was grappling with that decision at any point, even if in that moment it were being framed as unfortunate inevitability to exact her rulership. i think she has sort of always blamed westeros as a whole for her misgivings and what not... maybe she genuinely wanted payback in the form of that type of outcome. to me the direction they took with her was interesting. dany has always wanted to rule westeros but at the same time has always resented and blamed them for her displacement in the world. dany leaning more into her negative impulses felt more in step with her gradual devolvement as a character. but yea it could have been less rushed for sure." I 100% agree with all of this, but I personally can't get over how rushed the whole transition is, which leads me back to being mad that they decided to execute this season like they did. They could have made a full season which normal length episodes and i think it would have serviced the story/characters much better.
hal1ax 05.14.19	yea i fully agree. this being an abridged season is fucking inane and does a disservice to the story telling
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Dominion have u ever heard of hyperbole? Point being her moral decline hasn't exactly been soft-handed. You could spot it 6 seasons away ffs
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Season is rushed, but the last few seasons have often been pointlessly meandering and some of the worst ones have had multiple utterly useless filler episodes
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Think I prefer getting GoT over with at this point, no need to drag out poor writing
DoofDoof 05.14.19	'all dwarves are bastards in their father's eyes' I always believed G.R.R Martin would contrive to have Tyrion end up the rightful king of the seven kingdoms ahead of Jon - and that was the significance of them being given so many chats early on in the story. They are both bastards born of infidelity with a Targ - hence the real reason for Tywin's hatred. The way Tyrion has been shown to be the most compassionate character the last couple of seasons added to that - all he's seemed to do is try and stop conflict in every decision. Not sure that fan theory is going to happen so the ending looks like it'll be a genuine surprise for me.
Deez 05.14.19	I hate what theyve done with tyrion. Made his way by being one smart mfer and now hes one of the dumbest on the show. Cant get anything right
Faraudo 05.14.19	2 more episodes would've been enough, this season could have been great, but ended up being barely functional with 2 classic episodes (The Battle of Winterfell and The Bells) and one of the worst episodes I've ever seen (episode 4). We'll see what happens on the finale, I think it will be good.
DoofDoof 05.14.19	Every episode this season has been good and I can’t say that about the previous two seasons. It’s been fine. People complained about the slow pacing before - it’s the end of the show, like in the movies it’ll be faster paced. A whole season leading up to the battle of Winterfell and a whole season leading up to these last two episodes? Dunno, more chance of a lot more Dorne style sub plots. In time the hype of hating this season more than seasons 5-7 will pass and it’ll be seen as fine.
DoofDoof 05.14.19	Seasons 1-2 = Star Wars (9/10) Seasons 3-4/5 = Empire Strikes Back (10/10) Seasons 5/6-8 = Return of the Jedi (7/10) That’s how it’s gone for me as Star Wars comparison
Faraudo 05.14.19	7 is a bad season of television, Doof. This one has been good in comparison. Episode 4 was absolute dogshit, and the thought of Euron killing a dragon that easily is not going away anytime soon. Episodes 3 and 5 could be classics tho, episode 1 is a good setup, episode 2 is an excellent character piece. That's how I rate season 8. Hopefully episode 6 will be a good conclusion.
StormChaser 05.14.19	"Episodes 3 and 5 could be classics tho, episode 1 is a good setup, episode 2 is an excellent character piece." In my mind, episodes 3 and 5 could be classic examples of the side-effects of writing yourself into a corner. Also, classic examples of how to ruin 7 years of character and plot development.
DoofDoof 05.14.19	I liked ep 4 but was hoping it led to Varys getting plans in motion and it looked like he didn’t? If his ‘betrayal’ was just to show Dany burning the character who most symbolises the conscience of Westeros then so be it...but I hoped he would put wheels in motion somewhere else on the kingdom. If he did then ep 4 is a classic intrigue episode. Guess probably not.
DoofDoof 05.14.19	Storm - strange to blame ‘battle’ episodes for ruining characters. You wanted them to fight better? Surely the ‘talky’ Episodes are more to blame if anything?
BigBlob 05.14.19	its not the destination, but the journey that gets you there
Faraudo 05.14.19	"In my mind, episodes 3 and 5 could be classic examples of the side-effects of writing yourself into a corner. Also, classic examples of how to ruin 7 years of character and plot development." Hmmm, I don't think so Storm. How can battle episodes ruin 7 years of character development? What did episode 3 do in terms of "ruining characters" for example?
Faraudo 05.14.19	"I liked ep 4 but was hoping it led to Varys getting plans in motion and it looked like he didn’t? If his ‘betrayal’ was just to show Dany burning the character who most symbolises the conscience of Westeros then so be it...but I hoped he would put wheels in motion somewhere else on the kingdom." Could've been good, cause there is a lot of good scenes in it, fucking Euron man.
Egarran 05.14.19	As a Dane it was extra tragic, seeing these two great actors being humiliated in front of the entire world. Euron raping Jaime would have been better. How the fuck is surviving multiple stab wounds still a thing? They clearly don't know the basics of anatomy to think that's ok.
rockandmetaljunkie 05.14.19	"Its not the destination, but the journey that gets you there" Hahaha tell that to all the pissed off fans
BigBlob 05.14.19	Im a fan haha. not a massive one, but I've stuck with it all these years. yeah this season has been a bit daft, but at the end of the day everyone has been watching GoT to see a dragon fuk shit up... and at least that happened.
Egarran 05.14.19	Nice bait.
BigBlob 05.14.19	you're odd
Storm In A Teacup 05.14.19	Dragons fucking shit up is okay but not THAT entertaining.
BigBlob 05.14.19	BY FAR the most disappointing part of this series was the (lack of) sex scene between Jaime and Brienne of Tarth
Prancer 05.14.19	if D&D really wanted to have king's landing burn, ep 5 would have been better if drogon acted alone. give drogon a reason to become enraged (maybe by keeping rhaegal alive in ep 4 and having him killed by a scorpion in this ep instead) while dany has to watch in horror as her 'child' burns the city against her will when she's already won. I just don't buy the mad queen story arc given how rushed and forced it was. there is no viable way they can justify dany killing innocent civilians in 2 episodes. this way, the ending is actually bittersweet (dany wins but there is essentially no city left to rule, and she has to reap the consequences of drogon's actions by proving to the people she can be a peaceful leader over time) instead of dany basically becoming a villain which is just bitter. I know there's still 1 more ep but there is nothing bittersweet about the ending so far. pretty much every character's story arc has ended or is ending tragically, except for arya and sansa.
hal1ax 05.14.19	i'm actually having trouble thinking of an ending lamer than that ^
hal1ax 05.14.19	yes it would make way more sense for the dragon to act alone and carry out some revenge plot for his other dragon buddy getting killed. that would be way better than an actual character doing it who has been veering in that direction for 7 seasons.
outliers 05.14.19	https://twitter.com/onfiregaspy/status/1127794839821508608?s=21 lol DANy hAs bEeN goINg MaD FoR lIkE 5 seASoNs
InFlamesWeThrash666 05.14.19	The mad queen thing would work better if the second dragon died in this episode imo. It would make more sense for Dany to lose it when she lost her second "child" instead of going mad because of some bells
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Some huge dumbasses itt tbh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	If you couldnt spot dany's villainous turn from 6 seasons away it's not that it wasnt foreshadowed, it's that ur an idiot
JeetJeet 05.14.19	God this shows' fanbase is so dumb sometimes. Maybe this is the finale season that everyone deserves.
JeetJeet 05.14.19	"if D&D really wanted to have king's landing burn, ep 5 would have been better if drogon acted alone." Yiiiikes
Prancer 05.14.19	I don't consider what I wrote a good ending either, I'm just offering an alternative sticking to what D&D wanted to happen in which the ending is "bittersweet," where dany doesn't forcefully become crazy and the city still burns.
Prancer 05.14.19	"If you couldnt spot dany's villainous turn from 6 seasons away it's not that it wasnt foreshadowed, it's that ur an idiot" it would be nice if you could elaborate on how freeing slaves, chaining up your dragons, and putting your quest to take the iron throne on hold to fight another war for the living is villainous, instead of writing me off as an idiot.
WatchItExplode 05.14.19	She was scorned by her lover and was looking haggard af. Obv the transformation to crazy was complete.
Prancer 05.14.19	so if your girlfriend broke up with you you're going to commit mass genocide? makes sense.
Egarran 05.14.19	Sure, her arc was one theory. But to be sure about something is a recipe for disappointment. Unless you keep your predictions secret and then AFTERWARDS hit people with 'lmao I saw that coming a mile away'.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	@prancer what part of the term "foreshadowing" do you not understand?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Shes almost always been a morally grey character who needed someone in her ear to make the right call. Her motives and morality have been devolving for eons
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Did you miss the entire arch where she started ignoring her hands and making awful decisions and basically halting her momentum?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Like duh she was supposed to start as a sympathetic character thats the entire point
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Been a hateful, power hungry overlord for a hot minute
Prancer 05.14.19	part of dany's struggle has always been finding balance between fear and love when it comes to ruling, but I don't think her mistakes ever foreshadowed her to become an uncontrollable killer.
SgtShock 05.14.19	foreshadowing isn't enough on its own though. Neither is a bunch of characters talking about her being insane while she doesn't show symptoms or any real logical character motivation for her actions later. That character development deserved so much more. It could have been a much more believable, powerful scene but instead its a shitty blunder and everyone knows it.
SgtShock 05.14.19	This wouldn't have been perfect but the whole thing would have been way more believable if the population resisted her authority at all. Like maybe they found out from varys that shes a creepy aunt and started revolting in front of her. "she a mad queen tho" is the dumbest motivation for mass murder of civilians and considering the show's most interesting element to me is layered characters I'm super disappointed.
outliers 05.14.19	"Did you miss the entire arch where she started ignoring her hands and making awful decisions and basically halting her momentum?" she ignored her hands and burned sam's father and brother, high ranking enemy soldiers who refused to surrender, like 6 episodes ago. now she's burning tens of thousands of women and children alive. everyone totally should have seen that coming /s
anarchistfish 05.14.19	Her turn was very RotS tbh. Nothing wrong with it but execution was bad
DoofDoof 05.14.19	I think people are struggling with the idea a latent psychosis could be triggered by traumatic events, isolation, immense pressure and emotional stress. There's nothing unrealistic about inherited madness emerging under such circumstances - especially when she's been told this whole continent hates her an wants her dead ever since she was a little girl.
anarchistfish 05.14.19	oh shut up
anarchistfish 05.14.19	bro get a job as a shill for something else that pays better
anarchistfish 05.14.19	i heard facebook is hiring
Prancer 05.14.19	I think you are struggling with the idea that D&D are just really bad writers
anarchistfish 05.14.19	and also i dont think u know what psychosis is
twlight 05.14.19	started re-watching the series and holy shit the writing and dialogue on season 1 is on another level
anarchistfish 05.14.19	it doesnt mean go kill everyone cos the petulant bitch finally came out
anarchistfish 05.14.19	if it was a depiction of psychosis it was a bad one
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Look I'm not saying the writing on this season is good for Dany or that her arch isnt rushed, shes always been a bad character anyway, I'm just saying u crybaby Dany stans are tarded
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	I'm not bout to go through every episode of the show holding your hands and pointing out how Dany is a POS to pacify your denial and shallow observational skills, figure it out urself
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	It has been treated with about as much subtlety as Luke in TLJ this isnt rocket science
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Missy: burn them all Dany: *burns them all* Dany stans: :o
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Greyworm: :)
JeetJeet 05.14.19	Ned Stark: :D
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Dany: "Fear it is" Dany: *invokes terror* Stupid Dany stans: :s
Deez 05.14.19	Actually Missy : 'Dracarys' Dany *Burns every living man,woman and child* Missy ghost 'FFS I just meant the bad ones' She never said 'Burn them all' Pretty sure she meant kill these fuckers as anyone would whos head is about to become a football but to say thats obviously meaning KILL ALL THE INNOCENT ASWELL isn't true at all. But Im in agreement that there have been enough signs there over many seasons to not be totally surprised by the turn. In this very season shes talked about laying waste to it numerous times. Its been coming. Ol Robby Baratheon knew this shit
unclereich 05.14.19	Jon gimme the tip
unclereich 05.14.19	God those imbd scores are lovely
zaruyache 05.14.19	the rotten tomatoes professional scores are great too
unclereich 05.14.19	Rotten tomatoes is gay
SgtShock 05.14.19	Dany’s theme has been her uncompromising belief that she should rule. It makes sense for her to ruthlessly murder anyone who gets between her and that goal, as morally bankrupt as it may be. But those civilians weren’t in her way. She had more power in her hands before she torched them than after. It’s dumb. So so so dumb.
Skoj 05.14.19	look at this dumb ass, one ball and no brain!
EoinCofa 05.14.19	I am happy that Doof and Pots are on the same page with each other in the understanding of Dany’s freak out. Now for the majority of you sad sacks; just stop watching, no need for you to see the final episode. It’s like trying to explain how the internet works to a flock of pigeons. This thread is going to hit 2k comments before we know it. Thanks Gyro! P.s. check out Holly Herndon’s new one, pretty fun album (this is still a music review site, I think)
Deez 05.14.19	Yeah 8 seasons in and one episode left lets all stop watching now cos some virgin on sputnik said he gets it and you dont
EoinCofa 05.14.19	What does my intact hymen have to do with this?
SgtShock 05.14.19	Trying to police everyone’s opinion on a tv show by insulting their intelligence is such a waste of time, my man. How did internet discourse get so caught up in reacting to people’s reactions and checking randos-on-the-internet’s emotions instead of actually engaging with the material being discussed.
Deez 05.14.19	Soz Brah makes me feel like a man to call other people Virgins #theinternet @sgt Word!
EoinCofa 05.14.19	@sgt i think you missed the point; but you made my point. Hahahaha
EoinCofa 05.14.19	I guess I should’ve said - it’s like trying to explain physics to a gecko (except the geico gecko, he’s pretty bright)
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	Guys Remember that we are all just here to shit talk each other about Game of Dragon Pals. It's all in good, hyperbolic, inflammatory fun.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.14.19	If ur getting bent out of shape, ur doing it wrong
EoinCofa 05.14.19	^that’s it!
unclereich 05.14.19	6.9 on imdb
Faraudo 05.14.19	"Look I'm not saying the writing on this season is good for Dany or that her arch isnt rushed, shes always been a bad character anyway, I'm just saying u crybaby Dany stans are tarded" This is it.
Prancer 05.15.19	I for one am far from a dany 'stan'. yes, dany has always been a bad character, but somehow D&D managed to make her even worse lol. just like how now, tyrion is retarded, jon is useless, bran is a potato, arya is invincible, euron has autoaim but ends up being killed by a cripple, and jamie cucked himself after 7 seasons of a transformation arc. oh well, at least it's almost finally over. I guess I'll just wait for Mr Robot to hopefully watch a good show again.
EoinCofa 05.15.19	The last episode is probably going to be horrible based on the candid reactions by the actors during interviews
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.15.19	Tyrion is v sad these days
DominionMM1 05.15.19	just go along with the silliness of it all and it’ll be fine
thedoom 05.15.19	The real shitstorm is yet to come, when the show is finally over and the realisation sets in.
Egarran 05.15.19	lol I said from day one Dany would end up a mad arsonist. People didn't believe it of course - oh no she's gonna be like Robin Hood on a dragon. Suuure, didn't you pay attention you stupid morons, it was so fucking OBVIOUS. I can only conclude that I am better than other people.
StormChaser 05.15.19	@DoofDoof, @Faraudo well while you do make a point, I did say character AND plot development. For 3, it's more plot development, or rather a complete disregard for 7 years of. (Also it dumbed Tyrion and Varys down - hiding the women and children in the crypts vs an enemy that can raise the dead? Seriously?) 5 just decided it was time to make Dany go batshit crazy in a glimpse of a moment. I'm not saying her going mad wasn't set up, it just happened EXTREMELY fast and kinda out of the blue. The direction they took with killing Viserion, Rhaegal, Missandei and her armies allowed for almost nothing else to happen, but still, didn't it feel like it was out of character for her to just snap and start killing civilians all of a sudden? Also, 5 wasn't JUST a battle episode. It rounded up many character arcs: Dany's, Hound's and Jamie's notably. I suppose the message of the episode, and therefore the show is, you can't escape who you are, whatever you do, wherever you go, whoever you meet, you'll always devolve back into what you always were, which is like... Let's just say I have a feeling that the books will give us more payoff for their last moments. I mean, Hound's storyline was always going to end up where it did, and I have no complaints. But Jamie / Dany succumbing to their fates just feels wrong relative to what I assumed the show / books wanted to portray at a certain point.
Kalopsia 05.15.19	Dany is clearly just on her period you guys, so it's in character to do something irrational
Kalopsia 05.15.19	" Seasons 1-2 = Star Wars (9/10) Seasons 3-4/5 = Empire Strikes Back (10/10) Seasons 5/6-8 = Return of the Jedi (7/10) " if you're going for a Star Wars comparison, then Season 8 would be the bastard baby of TLJ and Solo.
DoofDoof 05.15.19	This show has never been as bad as Solo. If it was as bad as Solo there's no way people would continue to watch it like their lives depended on it. And believe me, even the haters still absolutely worship this show. The proof is in the pudding. Love to hate there's still love. There's no love of anything with Solo - it's just boring.
DoofDoof 05.15.19	'But Jamie / Dany succumbing to their fates just feels wrong relative to what I assumed the show / books wanted to portray at a certain point.' True, they reverted to type but under quite extreme duress - which is realistic. Not every character can 'grow' and become a yogi and transcend or whatever. I'd say Jon, Tyrion, Sansa and especially Arya (who the show runners are determined is now our main perspective hero) are never going back to being their 'lesser' selves. So it's a mixed bag, as is life. I think Jaime was handled pretty well - his bond for his brother was always there, he couldn't help but love his sister, he could never quite write himself into the history books as a knight of lore. I think he lost more than a smidgen of cruelty and vanity, he did redeem himself in a few acts certainly. Most of all he did fight the dead etc. Dany did also redeem herself by fighting the dead. Unfortunately Dany hates the people who she's always been told hate her, deep inside she just does - she thought she'd be a hero for defeating the dead and the people would rally to her. Instead they rallied to Cersei, to her mind proving they will always hate her - like all the great despots irl she wants to start again, something close to genocide. In the episode she effectively says 'the future generations won't have to put up with tyranny' - she's literally given up on the existing population of Westeros (esp Kings Landing). This is the logic of a conqueror 'in a few generations all will be forgotten, we'll rewrite history, no one will know any rule other than mine'. I think it's totally in character for Dany to reach this point. If anyone could have stopped her it might have been Jorah, but even then, maybe not.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.15.19	Solo is better than your comments
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.15.19	I thought the battle was with GoTs poor writing but apparently it's with these pumpkin spice latte basic LCD bitches who couldnt see that Dany was Hilter all along
DoofDoof 05.15.19	'I thought the battle was with GoTs poor writing but apparently it's with these pumpkin spice latte basic LCD bitches who couldnt see that Dany was Hilter all along' I don't buy this character arc in LordePots motivations, where was the build up and foreshadowing?
Egarran 05.15.19	He may be subverting your expectations but I saw it coming from season 1.
hal1ax 05.15.19	https://me.me/i/lego-game-of-hrones-18-kings-landing-1-023-678-863-pcs-now-ac3eb40594b6453cb0c07b756b976144
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.15.19	I saw it coming before the show even started tbh.
Deez 05.15.19	https://me.me/i/lego-game-of-hrones-18-kings-landing-1-023-678-863-pcs-now-ac3eb40594b6453cb0c07b756b976144' hahahah
Gmork89 05.15.19	Man that last episode was so bad, can't believe they are ending it so rushed like this.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.15.19	It fulfilled none of the standards of dialogue and character development the show has been known for but it did fulfill the brutality standard
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.15.19	At this point that's all I can ask for considering the white Walker episode couldnt even do that
Egarran 05.15.19	Anyway, Arya should just have said fuck you to the Hound and followed him along, then she could have killed Cersei and helped in the Cleganebowl and avoided being a shell-shocked moron down in the streets, discovering moral scruples and magically avoiding falling buildings. But I guess she got a mount. That part was straight out of every RPG I've played.
hal1ax 05.15.19	last ep was easily the best in s8. The white walker battle episode was one of the all time worst imo. Absolutely hated it.
thedoom 05.15.19	Episode 2 was easily the best one, even though it didn‘t leave an impact at all, since the ones that came after were absolute trash.
Deez 05.15.19	Anyway, Arya should just have said fuck you to the Hound and followed him along' Ive almost overlooked how fuckin dumb that shit was. Shes been waiting to kill her for years. Muttered her name to sleep every night then shes in the next room and a simply 'Nah go home you dont wanna be me' and shes like 'Oh yeah, Nice one, Ill get off then' Seriously. FUCK OFF
hal1ax 05.15.19	Yea I get the frustration there. I interpreted that scene differently though. Arya is deeply suspicious and resentful of Dany, and maybe, in that moment , the reality set in that she would have to sacrifice herself to that cause, which would disallow her from being able to prevent, or attempt to prevent, whatever shenanigans Dany would try to pull thereafter. So idk maybe she decided to shift focus to Dany ? But yea, pretty lame still ...
zaruyache 05.15.19	she spent all that time trying to get to Braavos, all that time training to be an assassin, all that effort to make it home and avenge her family, resolved time and time again to risk her life in said life mission of vengeance, and then just throws it away when her surrogate dad tells her too like wattt?
DominionMM1 05.16.19	maybe it came up in conversation during their long ride from winterfell to kings landing but they didn’t show it because god forbid they show people having meaningful dialogue to illustrate characters motivations for their choices and actions like who does something like that
hal1ax 05.16.19	yea we def needed more in the way of dialogue regarding arya feeling like she needed to redirect her focus from cersei to dany for that scene to not be dog shit
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.16.19	Pretty sure Arya just realized that she didnt want to die is all. Could be many reasons for that
hal1ax 05.16.19	or even some scenes hinting at it. but they have this knack for making this shit happen out of the blue and it's always just jarring and gimmicky feeling
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.16.19	Also regarding the white pony, white horses symbolize death in certain myths, so that was just another extremely heavy handed moment to remind us of Aryas association with that
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.16.19	Twin peaks did it better tho
Deez 05.16.19	'Pretty sure Arya just realized that she didnt want to die is all' Only took 1800 comments for Potz to turn into Doof. Fuck.
hal1ax 05.16.19	"Pretty sure Arya just realized that she didnt want to die is all." yea i was thinking this too.. but she's always been so cavalier about throwing herself into harms way before. maybe the hound explicitly spelling it out for her made impending death feel more real? maybe with the city in ruin she felt some sort of obligation to helping others survive? who knows.
DominionMM1 05.16.19	they did FORESHADOW arya doing something like that when she decided to head north to winterfell instead of continuing south to kill cersei last season so if you didn’t understand why she bailed in the red keep you’re obviously just super retarded, like lattes, and hate star wars or something
Deez 05.16.19	hahahah Shed just got on a horse and said she had no plans on living but was persuaded by ONE sentence from the hound to change her whole lifes goal but she once when north instead of south once so should have seen that, yeah good one. Its simply down to they couldnt have her killing NK, Murking Dany with Jon AND killing Cersei. Understanding 'She might not want to die' is pretty fucking standard for anyone, anywhere but doing it that out of the fucking blue felt hollow as fuck considering her whole arc was about killing Cersie.
hal1ax 05.16.19	she could've just said cersei's name to jaken hagar like a decade ago and everything would be peachy.
Deez 05.16.19	But it would have taken away her satisfaction of seeing ,face to face, the light leave her eyes for everything shes done to her family. All those years of training with her in mind. Over and over and over in her head. 'You do you know you might die' 'Oh shit yeah I hadn't thought of that until right now , Cya'
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.16.19	@hal1 and possibly being reunited with her family etc and the prospect of them needing her beyond cersei's death
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.16.19	Fuckin tell em dominion
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.16.19	Re arya I guess this is just another case of me not giving enough of a fuck about Arya to be that upset about it. She fuckin sucks.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.16.19	I prefer seeing her be the little softcock that she is to seeing her naruto long jump 70 feet through the air to bait and switch tummy stick the nk
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.16.19	Watching her run around kings landing looking all shook af was awesome i was like "ya not so hard now are ya. Lil bitch."
Deez 05.16.19	True dat
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.16.19	Honestly the show has spent so much time trying to redeem Sansa and make her formidable and so far there has been virtually no payoff. Hope she does like, anything.
hal1ax 05.16.19	dude riiight? they've been like gearing us to believe that she's developed some sharp political acumen and blah blah she's been through so much she's gone through some precipitous maturing and is now wise and an incisive leader or at least carries herself like one. all for what? so she can quibble with dany only to get out-cunted
Faraudo 05.16.19	Meh, season 8 has been a good albeit rushed season of television. Episode 4 is complete shit tho.
DoofDoof 05.16.19	"Pretty sure Arya just realized that she didnt want to die is all." I think this time she realised it wasn't that she could die - if she stayed she would DEFINITELY die. I think before she was quite confident in her abilities - although the Battle of Winterfell also showed her have a moment of uncertainty when she is nearly knocked unconscious. You can't save yourself, whatever your skills, if you're unconscious. Falling masonry would also do that job.
Egarran 05.16.19	"I don't wanna die so I'm going back to the war zone". Leaving the hound was even more dangerous. If you can't see that, you're like hyper retarded. Or something.
DoofDoof 05.16.19	The entire city was getting destroyed by a dragon - why was a crumbling Red Keep safe? She was already in a War Zone. The Hound died. I think case closed?
Egarran 05.16.19	He died because Arya left for plot. In MY plot she would have stayed with Houndyboi and they would have easily dispatched Cersei and Mountain. Case reopened, changed and closed.
DoofDoof 05.16.19	I guess in logistics terms scaling anything when it could be destroyed is ultimately the most risky thing you could do but if they 100% knew Dany would stop blastin the Castle at some point your logic is watertight.
Egarran 05.16.19	Why didn't Dany fly straight over the Red Keep and burn it down with Cersei? The only reason I can think of (beyond the obvious 'bad writing' of course) is that she wants it intact for herself.
DoofDoof 05.16.19	Maybe. I thought it was obvious that ‘last week you made me watch Missendei be executed, that was your power - now watch me slowly torch your kingdom before I kill you - I know you’re watching from your tower, see my power’ sorta thing But what’s obvious to me isn’t seen as that obvious this season lol I do think she wanted to kill Jaime too. Guess she knew he’d been released. I think she might have executed him too in front of Cersei if that had been available.
TheNotrap 05.16.19	https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers?use_react=false
Gyromania 05.16.19	lol so stupid. they could get 10 million signatures and it wouldn't mean shit
Egarran 05.16.19	Petitions make people complacent. Yall should get an angry mob instead.
DoofDoof 05.16.19	Yes, re make the last season with new writers...and new actors It would be so good where do I sign
Egarran 05.16.19	He just posted the link you senile old boot.
Kalopsia 05.16.19	i wish Arya had gone with the Hound, only to get her face horribly burnt somehow. then she has future reason to constantly wear faces. BUT NOPE
ExhaleTheLight 05.16.19	I think to make up for this shit season, HBO should green light a Robert's Rebellion prequel
DoofDoof 05.16.19	Maybe Varys was signing the petition a few hundred times himself hur hur hur
hal1ax 05.16.19	we deserve a stand-alone series recounting tormund's sexual conquest with giant women beyond the wall
ExhaleTheLight 05.16.19	A sequel focusing on the crazy adventures of Tormund and Ghost in the real north
Deez 05.16.19	Are d and d doing the prequals?
zakalwe 05.16.19	Just watched it. Absolutely fucking useless. One of the all time greatest things ever shown on tele has now been dumbed down to explosions and tears. Utter shite. Can’t believe it.
anarchistfish 05.16.19	doof even zak is onboard here come on
anarchistfish 05.16.19	who is dany stanning?
Divaman 05.16.19	So much as I like the genre, I haven't seen a single episode of GoT to date (because I don't have HBO). Now that you've all seen the whole thing, is it worth my binge watching it when it becomes available to me. Or did the end suck so much that I should just read the books it was based on?
DominionMM1 05.16.19	first 4 seasons are excellent. even 5 and 6 are solid if a bit uneven. "Are d and d doing the prequals?" nah they're gonna be busy working on the next round of star wars flicks
zakalwe 05.16.19	One more episode before the curtains closed on what starts off as an intriguing character driven fantasy political drama of the highest order and turns into a complete waste of time devoid of any quality whatsoever.
Kalopsia 05.16.19	first rian Johnson, now D&D sounds about right
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.16.19	Shut up doof
outliers 05.16.19	https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=EA7UQOYskas
EoinCofa 05.16.19	The only spinoff I heard about was “One and a Half Men” - a comedy with Ramsey and Theon
DoofDoof 05.16.19	Comment buried by about thirty subsequent posts ‘shut up doof’ Lol
Larkinhill 05.16.19	I personally thought this week’s episode of GOT was solid as hell. Exhilarating and devastating. Very much disagree with the disdain. That said, last week’s episode was subpar and felt extremely rushed. Felt like three episodes crammed into one. Other than that, this has been a damn good season (especially episodes 3 and 5).
DoofDoof 05.16.19	You wanted a whole episode dedicated to the Battle of Winterfell after party n’ drunken hook ups?
DoofDoof 05.16.19	i lived through the Matrix sequels I lived through the three Hobbit movies I lived through the Star Wars prequels I lived through the Alien sequels I lived through Indiana Jones Crystal Skull I lived through the Terminator sequels I lived through Brosnan as Bond The quality of this season is fine compared to those skid marks, this is the damn Godfather trilogy compared to those, don’t remember Internet support groups and petitions. Some weak shit. Deal.
Egarran 05.17.19	Exactly, but people who aren't your age don't have those decades of experience with dwindling quality in tv and movie franchises. You knew from season 1 it would all inevitably end in Hollywood tropes and lame fanservice and so you had way fewer expectations.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.17.19	So doofs defence for this is that there are worse things and therefore it is FUCKING AMAZING
anarchistfish 05.17.19	think it's more it's good as long as you repress the possibility that it is not good
anarchistfish 05.17.19	"i only watch stuff tv force feeds me"
hal1ax 05.17.19	GoT has just been like the starkest and most jarring example of interesting, complex, beloved characters turned vacuous and stuck, wading through clumsy dialogue and ludicrous plot lines. and fans have been with these characters for so long... prob just pisses fans off more when they feel more couched in sunken investments.
anarchistfish 05.17.19	meh, it's just dick & dom getting shown up. was inevitable
hal1ax 05.17.19	yea. i sort of thought d&d's post-source material work would be better though.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.17.19	Reasonable posts from fish and hal1 regarding doofs tragic posts
Deez 05.17.19	how big is the internet? An impossible question but despite feeling like I have been in every single 'corner' of it reading and watching peoples opinions on this season the biggest D and D apologist shill is right here on my beloved Sputnik. What are the odds?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.17.19	TELLEM
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.17.19	I had to look up D&D to check out what they have worked on so that I could understand why people refer to them by name so often when talking about Game of Thrones. It makes it sound like they are actually known for something but turns out they haven't done fucking shit and it shows.
Tyler. 05.17.19	qawrbiujsofrvwglne sdjkmlgan;kjedgstv
Deez 05.17.19	Didnt one of them do Wolverine-Origins and decided to sew Deadpools mouth up?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.17.19	literally the only notable thing on either of their resumes as far as i saw, other than a couple episodes of its always sunny but like whatever ok
Deez 05.17.19	That fuckin sucked as well.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.17.19	ya imagine your only notable product being the worst x-men movie ever made.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.17.19	also imagine HIRING this person
anarchistfish 05.17.19	So Rey kinda just forgot about kylo ren
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.17.19	lmao
Divaman 05.17.19	Right. Just read the books it is.
Deez 05.17.19	Half of GOT is one of the greatest TV series ever just be prepared for a massive tail off after about 5. Still some great moments though. Save yourself from this anger tho yo. Spread love.
Faraudo 05.17.19	The books are shit, I'm tired of all the "read the books" comments as if they were literary masterpieces. They are boring, badly written blobs.
Scheumke 05.17.19	^ Lol if you actually feel that way. Really curious to what your favorite (fantasy) books are if you think these are shit.
Faraudo 05.17.19	The Lord of the Rings, Silmarillion, The Hobbit. Got anything bad to say about those, chief? Lol if you actually feel that GRRM is a good writer.
zakalwe 05.17.19	Can’t remember what book it is but one of them is an absolute slog. The iron isle stuff. Total shit
Faraudo 05.17.19	Feast for Crows or A Dance With Dragons, I think. Both of them are incredibly boring but whatevs.
DoofDoof 05.17.19	'So doofs defence for this is that there are worse things and therefore it is FUCKING AMAZING' I never said this is amazing - I said the last few seasons including this one are Return of the Jedi cheesy but still good, 7 out of 10. Nowhere have I said this season is perfect. Some of the episodes have been 10 out of 10 entertainment for me, despite glaring faults.
Scheumke 05.17.19	Yeah.. He is. Tolkien is god for what he did for the genre, but I recently revisited the LOTR books and the Hobbit, and it didn't age well for me. The endless array of songs and poetry bores me to tears and especially Fellowship is full of needles plot loops that doesn't add anything to the overall story-arc. I'm not saying George is the best writer out there, but to say they're badly written is just wrong. My personal favorite is Brandon Sanderson though, that guy is a fucking genius.
Faraudo 05.17.19	People are frustrated because they've been saying that GoT is as good as Breaking Bad for years and well, no, it's not and it's never been as good. People want another perfect show, and those come rarely.
Faraudo 05.17.19	"Yeah.. He is. Tolkien is god for what he did for the genre, but I recently revisited the LOTR books and the Hobbit, and it didn't age well for me. The endless array of songs and poetry bores me to tears and especially Fellowship is full of needles plot loops that doesn't add anything to overall story-arc. I'm not saying George is the best writer out there, but to say they're badly written is just wrong. My personal favorite is Brandon Sanderson though, that guy is a fucking genius." I do think they are badly written, I struggled immensely to finish them, I just did it because I wanted to compare them to the show. The Hobbit is a great book, but I can see what you're saying. The trilogy/Silmarillion are timeless and epic, tho. Never read anything from Brandon, got any recommendations?
Scheumke 05.17.19	Everything in the Cosmere series. He writes most of his books in the same universe, with each series playing on a different planet, with a couple of 'worldhoppers' who plot things behind the scenes. Pretty much every series can be read stand alone though. I would suggest 'Mistborn - The Final Empire' for more of a self-contained story, or 'The Stormlight Archive - The Way of Kings' if you want to start with his magnum opus. Best books I've ever read.
Scheumke 05.17.19	lol at those Stormlight goodreads ratings: Book 1: 4.65/5 Book 2: 4.77/5 Book 3: 4.64/5
Faraudo 05.17.19	Awesome, I like the fact that I can read them as standalones. Will definitely check them out!
dimsim3478 05.17.19	"People are frustrated because they've been saying that GoT is as good as Breaking Bad for years and well, no, it's not and it's never been as good." it was at the beginning also remember how breaking bad season 1 isnt as great as the other seasons
Scheumke 05.17.19	Go for it and enjoy! Let me know if you like it ;). I'm completely in love with pretty much everything he writes. And it helps that he publishes at least one new book a year without really getting dips in quality.
DoofDoof 05.17.19	This show is totally different to Breaking Bad Who knew
Faraudo 05.17.19	"also remember how breaking bad season 1 isnt as great as the other seasons" Season 1 is top quality tv lol. "Go for it and enjoy! Let me know if you like it ;). I'm completely in love with pretty much everything he writes. And it helps that he publishes at least one new book a year without really getting dips in quality." Ofc my dude, will let ya know! I'm in dire need of some good sci-fi/fantasy literature. "This show is totally different to Breaking Bad" Obvs, but people loved to compare them both because reasons.
Egarran 05.17.19	"The books are shit, I'm tired of all the "read the books" comments as if they were literary masterpieces. They are boring, badly written blobs." FUCK YES, I've been saying that since the first book came out, but people were too dumb to get it.
unclereich 05.17.19	123
Divaman 05.17.19	I'm with you on Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, Faraudo. Silmarillion was brutal, though.
Scheumke 05.17.19	"FUCK YES, I've been saying that since the first book came out, but people were too dumb to get it." You make it sound like it's wrong for me to enjoy it lol. First three books are amazing imo, but I guess George's writing style is an aquired taste that some may find boring.
Egarran 05.17.19	I guess that would be the literal interpretation, which I admit is very popular round these parts.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.17.19	I cant imagine actually reading the books tbh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.17.19	Feel like I'd get fatter, greasier, and nerdier with each page
TheSpirit 05.17.19	every book is great except a feast for crows but yeah, that's an accurate description of what happens
anarchistfish 05.17.19	i think for a while i did enjoy this show as much as breaking bad breaking bad s1 is good too stay off
TheFantasticDangler 05.17.19	lmfao at the dude listing Tolkein works as his favorite and challenging someone to criticize them, acting like appreciating Tolkein novels makes you an expert on fantasy (ever heard of Pratchet, Eddings, Jordan, etc.?) lmfao at the incredibly pompous dude assuming validation from one person that agrees the books suck (haven't even read them), calling everyone who likes them dumber than he is, and then getting upset that someone 'interpreted him literally' and claims 'literal interpretation is popular around these parts" as if thats some unexpected deviation? Wtf?! Can't wait to hate watch the finale, especially since the spoilers have been proven true. People are gonna fucking haaaaaaate it.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.17.19	Link for said spoilers? The ones I read for last episode turned out to be mostly bullshit
TheFantasticDangler 05.17.19	https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bkc8xd/compilation_of_spoilers_for_got_episodes_46/ The ones that are blacked out at the top are from the guy who correctly 'predicted' basically everything from E03 onwards. E05 was apparently 95% correct (everything that happened I remember reading, even had Dany freaking out at the bells, and Cleganebowl ending in a fall into fire)
zaruyache 05.17.19	i'm ready to hate it but i'd still like my anger to be in surprise.
CosmicPie 05.17.19	Anyone here read Joe Abercrombie's First Law Trilogy? I keep reading great things about it.
TheFantasticDangler 05.17.19	I only looked em' up because a) I'd lost hope after E03 and b) didn't think they would be this accurate. It looks like the ending I assumed was fake because it seemed like some sort of joke, like a fan theory that would be instantly shot down by others (they shot multiple endings/scenes to avoid spoilers, didn't work) is going to happen.
CosmicPie 05.17.19	Oh, yea... and this show... yea, well... you know.
Scheumke 05.18.19	@Cosmicpie: I read them. Pretty good but not my favorite. Read only the trilogy though not the standalone books. Didn't feel invested enough for it. The POV characters were interesting and its pretty well written, but I much prefer the likes of Sanderson and Erikson.
Davil667 05.18.19	The First Law Trilogy is fantastic. Has been several years since I read it but many scenes are still totally clear and vivid in my mind. Really impressed me somehow and I’m looking forward to reading it again some day.
Gyromania 05.18.19	are your bodies ready for sunday?
DoofDoof 05.18.19	Yes, I am ready to get destroyed by Potsy one last time. At least in this thread.
Gyromania 05.18.19	what about irl?
Faraudo 05.18.19	I think that Jaime and Cersei are not dead.
DoofDoof 05.18.19	I think it’ll be fascinating how it ends yeah, I’m still invested enough in the show. Like I said, I thought somehow Tyrion would end up on the throne and there was a popular book reader’s fan theory which supported that. Now it’s obvious that won’t happen I really have zero idea how this wraps up.
hal1ax 05.18.19	lol fckin please @ the guy lauding LotR books and reproaching GoT. GoT is like ersatz lotr in terms of writing. the quality disparity isn't substantial.
zakalwe 05.18.19	Seven Kingdoms will become a republic with Tyrion an elected member of state. The starks will remain up north without Jon who will potter about Westeros moaning.
hobblepot 05.18.19	I found an interesting twitter thread that more or less explains the drop in quality in the last two seasons : https://twitter.com/DSilvermint/status/1125856091261136896
Gyromania 05.18.19	both lotr and got are awesome. both fantastic book series.
CosmicPie 05.18.19	@ Scheumke and David. Sweet. I'm starting to read it now actually. I can tell I'm going to enjoy this. I have Sanderson's first Stormlight Book. I'll be getting into that sometime in the near future. I also got about 140 pages into Rothfuss' Name of the Wind. Got kind of tired of the storyline. Pretty much a young guy talking about how awesome everyone thought he was when he was a kid. Maybe I didn't get far enough yet. Rothfuss has some beautiful writing, though. So lyrical. Just flows like a stream.
Scheumke 05.18.19	The Name of Winds is really good, but you need to get past the start before the story gets going, then its incredibly fun. The Wise Man's fear was also fun but just slightly less so. Plus Rothfuss is as slow a writer as Martin is so that gets annoying real quick.
CosmicPie 05.18.19	Word. You read any of Abercrombie's standalone books in The First Law world?
zakalwe 05.18.19	I’d say the First Law books are the best of the modern fantasy stuff. Funny, brutal, quality characters and a bloody good read.
CosmicPie 05.18.19	Glad to hear I won't be wasting my time.
Scheumke 05.18.19	Zak start reading Sanderson dude. Guy is a bloody genius. Has anyone here been crazy enough to have finished Eriksons Malazan Book of the Fallen?
zakalwe 05.18.19	I read the first of the stormlight chronicles after boney recommended them and I really enjoyed it but I’ve read a lot since then, I don’t know how easily I’ll be able slide back into the world again. Having said that even as I type this a lot of it is coming back so yeah I probably will dive into the next one soon.
Deez 05.18.19	Brans gonna end up on it. Its gonna be the final shit in the massive toilet bowl named season 8
zakalwe 05.18.19	I’d be happy with Bran ruling tbh if it was with good intent and not the night king bollocks people have been coming up with.
Scheumke 05.18.19	I think it's time to move the fantasy book discussion to a different thread and leave this one to the TV series. Made one over here: https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?mode=1&listid=187357#comments
Egarran 05.18.19	lmao thanks TheFantasticDangler for proving my point better than I could have hoped
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Just read the spoilers, big if true, will be much to whinge about
Tyler. 05.18.19	great news
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Cant wait to tell doof to shut up
DoofDoof 05.18.19	Hallo!
Egarran 05.18.19	A Doof is inevitable. Go to any GoT gossip going on and there will be a Doof there, just smugly happy with it all.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Just want to say that I saw this ending coming before I was even born and if you didnt you're retarded
DoofDoof 05.18.19	The leaks were not accurate last week though :/
hal1ax 05.18.19	yea so i just read the ep 6 spoilers... if that's how it's actually closed out then this is gonna be a doozy. to quote the end of an angry sounding dude's rant on the spoiler page on GoT reddit, "lube up star wars fans, you're next."
DoofDoof 05.18.19	seriously last week the '100% certain' leaks said Arya would kill Cersei wearing Jaime's face to believe the same leaks will be accurate this week is...eh plus everyone said that was shitty writing because Arya shouldn't get another huge kill - they didn't do that and it still ended up being even worse apparently loving the mania of the backlash - truly a modern wonder of the internet, very enjoyable
EoinCofa 05.18.19	Hating Is so trending right now. Mooo cows, mooo
DoofDoof 05.18.19	'just smugly happy with it all' I'd say more 'smugly non-fussed with it all' but sure
Deez 05.18.19	Yeah it must be because its 'In' rather than the season being shite
CosmicPie 05.18.19	Watched the last episode again last night. I actually liked it more the second time around. I was also pretty loaded, so I'm sure that played a part.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	@doof If you were so non-fussed you wouldn't be spending hours a day writing paragraph upon paragraph defending every aspect of the season and admonishing people for not liking
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Also doof, 1. these are different spoilers than what I saw last week 2. No one said they were certain 3. It sure didn't happen and it has been the only episode I've liked so far so
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Basically blow it out your ass shannon
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Loving the mania of your hyper undiscerning fandom tho
DoofDoof 05.18.19	I've never admonished anyone - if people enjoy pulling apart the show then I also enjoy pulling apart badly constructed fan suggestions of improvement and 'evidence of poor writing'. Sometimes stuff is warrented but sometimes people's ideas of improvement are infinitely more stupid then anything included in the show this season - which is just delicious humour for me, similar to the deliciousness people are enjoying in not enjoying the show to make that relatable. We aren't at 'Youtube comment negative critique' level bad here but a few people have got close. I'm non-fussed by the quality of the show in that I think it's absolutely fine, it's a TV show, nothing more. I said I rated it at 7/10 and it's no way as good as the earlier seasons. I have said this throughout the thread. I do rate some episodes as highly entertaining 10 out of 10s but that's not necessarily me saying they were perfect or amazingly structured, filmed or written. Every episode has been highly entertaining imo, some have been on a good level in regards the show as a whole. The nerd rage because something is coming to an end (this season is more consistent than the previous season surely?) is transparent in its root cause and hilarious to watch from outside of the storm.
zakalwe 05.18.19	It’s lowest common denominator action fodder at this point. Complete bollocks. The characters have turned into emotionally inept, brain dead non entities. When bald bloke got fried the dragon looming out of the darkness was alien rip-off infantile shite which actually made me say ‘fuck sake’ Unforgivable.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Literally all you've done this whole thread is cherry pick criticisms and then admonish every single person on the internet who isnt happy with the show for them lmao
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	With the exception of the odd time that you are back pedalling and pretending that ur super chill and not hyper invested at all with your 89 essays
DoofDoof 05.18.19	Pots - the tone of admonishment has been added by yourself, possibly a construct of how you approach my posts. Believe me they have no vitriol behind them, I am taking the piss and enjoying the crack.
CosmicPie 05.18.19	It is kind of interesting seeing how Dany's obsession with power has been slowly turning her mad. She went from the sweet beauty queen to a mad queen. Straight up self destruction.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Pfffffffft ur so full of shit I can smell it on your breath doof
DoofDoof 05.18.19	I'm hyper invested in being totally relaxed watching a TV show I like - I like to think that would be the most likely person to end up chatting on a GoT thread but it is the year of the TV show pedant critic and petition warrior. Hilarious.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Yet you can only manage to respond to the weakest critiques and mention these petition warriors that are completely absent from this thread
DoofDoof 05.18.19	Pots - sometimes you get it wrong, because if you mean what you're writing - you've got it wrong and grossly misinterpreted. I guess that's the luxury of my own knowledge is obviously I know this (my own feelings about the show and intentions for chatting about it) but I'm sharing because I think it might be healthy to know you interpreted something wrong :/ Up to you
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Maybe you should take the battle right to these internet strawmen you cant shut up about
CosmicPie 05.18.19	The Game of Sputs.
DoofDoof 05.18.19	The idea I'm steaming angry and flaming people down in a rage of injustice is...I kind of almost want to be that person! They sound amazing, like Ignatius Jacques Reilly on a diet of sleep deprivation and bad speed.
DoofDoof 05.18.19	Pots - half a million idiots actually signed a petition to rewrite this series. That's the level of retardation. You can't pretend that doesn't exist. Don't worry, i'm not aligning you with them. But they exist. One might live next door to me, to you - scary thought.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Theres an idiom out there... something about the taste of your own medicine being as bad as this season is.. something like that
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	I dont think ur in a Dany rage mode I just think ur THE MOST invested and that your opinions rely on pretending everything is pedantic and that everyone here is signing petitions
DoofDoof 05.18.19	some of the criticisms have been a tiny bit pedantic but ok - we leave it there for tonight, see you in 24 hours
zakalwe 05.18.19	I’m signing it. Fucking livid.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Those people arent here. you cherry pick criticisms and call them pedantic without making good arguments and then reroute the convo to star wars and member berries
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	And internet nerd rage. Also yeah some of them might be. Hence the cherry picking.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	See you in 20 minutes
budgie 05.18.19	watcha guys talkin bout in here
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Doof regarding anything at all in this thread: all criticisms are pedantic, the internet is an angry rage nerd machine, *star wars comparison*, this old thing is worse and therefore got rules
Deez 05.18.19	I’m signing it. Fucking livid.' hahahaha
hal1ax 05.18.19	what is more pedantic, the sometimes embellished criticisms of the starkly appreciable decline in a show's quality or the mental contortionist acts required to defend, excuse, and superimpose sense and reason onto it despite there not being a trace of said things anywhere near the wreckage that is S8.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.18.19	Boom
InFlamesWeThrash666 05.18.19	"seriously last week the '100% certain' leaks said Arya would kill Cersei wearing Jaime's face to believe the same leaks will be accurate this week is...eh" Dunno where you found those leaks but the ones i saw were legit.
Trundle 05.19.19	idk if it's been discussed, but wtf is up with bran? He's the three eyed raven and was told that he was the only thing that could save Westeros from the Night King, and wtf did he do??? seriously, he just sits by the tree as bait, and he tells Theon he has "to go now". We don't see where Bran goes, except a bunch of ravens start congregating. like why the fuck does the night king even NEED to kill Bran? What is Bran doing that is so threatening to the night king? I guess Bran saving Westeros is him uncovering Jon's true identity and either Jon or the one of the stark girls will kill dany and one of them will rule
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Yep bran is a useless piece of shit
Gyromania 05.19.19	bran's whole storyline is sooooo fucking boring. started rewatching the series a couple months ago with my gf and i always skip over his arc. even when it seemed like it was headed somewhere it bored me to tears.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	He is easily the worst character of all time ever
EoinCofa 05.19.19	Bran is so annoying! His character had such potential; what a waste
Deez 05.19.19	He peaked at getting thrown out of a fucking window
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Agreed
hal1ax 05.19.19	haha
SlothcoreSam 05.19.19	My predictions. Tyrion kills drogon somehow, don't know how yet, maybe with help from Bronn Sansa will sit on the iron thrown as the show goes off the air. John gets priapism inside of Dany as she gets vaginismus, resulting in both their deaths. If you don't know google it.
Maco097 05.19.19	At this point we all know Bran is gonna be king
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	At the beginning of the season I said "as long as it's not bran" LMAO
anarchistfish 05.19.19	I've just realised we haven't had an actual lightsaber fight in 3 movies
Tyler. 05.19.19	good
zaruyache 05.19.19	Bran literally does nothing the whole series. He convinces everyone that white walkers exist but besides that does he even do anything?
Tyler. 05.19.19	hes gonna have some dumb forced inclusion in the final episode or something to make it seem like he wasnt a total waste. idk
CosmicPie 05.19.19	I kind of feel bad for Georgey. Can you imagine having you're holy grail shit on? LoL, man. I'd be out for blood. Now everyone is going to relate his books to this.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	BUILD A WALL
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	SHUT UP DOOF FUCK U RIGHT IN THE PUSSY
CosmicPie 05.19.19	I've already done that. Shit's still seeping in...
CosmicPie 05.19.19	There is a part of me that can't help but still love this show. Even the falling on it's face in such a charming way bit.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Of course!
Egarran 05.19.19	"If you were so non-fussed you wouldn't be spending hours a day writing paragraph upon paragraph defending every aspect of the season and admonishing people for not liking" He said, unironically. The hypocrisy was obvious from your first post, but I guess people are too retarded to notice obvious things.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Dude
Egarran 05.19.19	Whenever my self-esteem is wavering, I feel it helps if I get angry at anonymous internet people.
budgie 05.19.19	https://puu.sh/Duuh2/908adf6ffc.jpg
budgie 05.19.19	egarran are you gonna be alright do you want me to give pots a wedgie
CosmicPie 05.19.19	They should've just given Cersei a wedgie and been done with it.
Egarran 05.19.19	Bud, do you want me to want you to give pots a wedgie?
anarchistfish 05.19.19	sorry gyro no 2000th comment for u
DoofDoof 05.19.19	Watching ep 5 again - like that Varys actually tried to poison Dany but she was too paranoid to eat Also the moment when Tyrion clasps Varys’ leg despite betraying him - like that, actually felt like a genuine bit of pathos there, rang true for me where a lot of the set up big emotional partings didn’t really manage to
anarchistfish 05.19.19	probably the best tyrion ep in like 3 seasons
DoofDoof 05.19.19	‘Our Mercy is our greatest strength...our mercy for FUTURE GENERATIONS’ Uh oh. Proper tyrant minute she said that imo - gonna wipe the current generation. Classic genocidal logic.
Deez 05.19.19	probably the best tyrion ep in like 3 seasons' Hes had a couple of genuine moments like Varys and with his bro but hes been a massive retard for the rest of it which is ridiculous
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	@egarran I know you do. I've pointed out your cute posturing on numerous occasions not to mention before we had ever even spoke you already had a mega hard-on for me
zakalwe 05.19.19	Bearing in mind this shite will be broadcast at 0200hrs over here I said to the wife this evening. “Look, its the final episode, I might stay up to watch it” She quite rightly replied “do what you want but you and I both know it’s rubbish, I won’t be watching it and never will. They’ve taken the piss” Mrs zak >
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	I come back here to get fired up and shit talk the show and the fans too obviously, just pointing out that doof has been doing the same but pretending he isnt. Me and doof are pals forever anyway
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	U on the other hand egarran, are just a begrudging dried out tampon forreal
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Trolling GoT fans is actually a highly intellectual social experiment I am conducting from my laboratory at Stanford
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Dont shoutbox me bitch
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Doof come back its almost time
Gyromania 05.19.19	sorry gyro no 2000th comment for u =[
zakalwe 05.19.19	The massive twist in this entire thing is how Cersei is now ten times fitter than dragon tart
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Melisandre will always be bae tho
DoofDoof 05.19.19	I’d go for Sansa but only due to Margaery being dead
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Honestly, I am so very unattached to Natalie Dormer. I dont get it. She looks like a badger.
zakalwe 05.19.19	I honestly would go for the big blonde bird. Eye-catching.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Olenna is obvs house Tyrell bae anyway
DoofDoof 05.19.19	Pots I have a slightly turn up nose and I can forgive her gappy bewbs Best on show for main characters in GoT. Not saying too much.
DoofDoof 05.19.19	A youthful Olenna >>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest Agreed
zakalwe 05.19.19	We all know in real life Olenna would’ve torn everyone a new arsehole. She’d have given the clegane bros a massive bollocking and thick ears.
DoofDoof 05.19.19	I’m not joking though - a young Diana Rigg would have eaten the competition alive, touch of glamour. With the Olenna personality? Formidable.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	strictly looks-wise Mel>>>>>>dany>>>Sansa>Cersei >>>>>>>>>>Margaery
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	If personality is at play Mel>cersei>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>no one else
zakalwe 05.19.19	Diana Rigg was born in Doncaster back in the 30s. Even now she’s probably a more exhausting ride than ‘stick ‘em with the pointy end’ bird.
Gyromania 05.19.19	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ikUYFK84OQ
DoofDoof 05.19.19	I think we have finally arrived at the correct focus of discussion for this series
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Agreed, far less incendiary subject matter too... at least until either the white knights or the women arrive
zakalwe 05.19.19	You watching it tonight Doof mate or fucking it off for later?
Gyromania 05.19.19	olenna was my favourite character. this show does a great job at killing the only worthwhile characters off
DoofDoof 05.19.19	Later. In the office tomorrow then got an early start Tuesday flying to Lisbon with the boys for a five day trip having a few beers :D
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	@gyro the courage to send off great characters used to be an asset until they ran out of good ones and got too scared to kill the Disney characters off
Deez 05.19.19	Honestly, I am so very unattached to Natalie Dormer. I dont get it. She looks like a badger.' She looks absolute filth. That usually does it for me
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Or just ruined them before they had the chance to kill em
zakalwe 05.19.19	Have a good one Doof son. Natalie Dormer is well worth one, if you think otherwise you’re either blind or a bender.
DoofDoof 05.19.19	My favourite characters season to season went Tyrion>Little Finger>Tywin>Olenna>Roose Bolton (lol)>The Hound...then I didn’t really have a favourite character the last few seasons. I guess The Hound or Tyrion again at a push. Tormund and The Hound got most of the best lines the last three seasons
Gyromania 05.19.19	lol so true pots. i don't mind a beloved character dying, but they decided to keep the most boring ones on (and yes, i consider tyrion in this category now. if you told me that he'd be one of my least favourite characters 4 years ago i wouldn't have believed you)
Gyromania 05.19.19	tywin and olenna were my faves too, with little finger and tyrion not being far behind. i would probably say arya is my favourite atm
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Zak she’s basically a but-her-face to me. Also Roose was a ledge. Also yes Tyrion has become boring
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	Arya has also been ruined for me, Sansa almost got redeemed and became good but then it just went nowhere
DoofDoof 05.19.19	Actually for half a season Joffrey might have been my favourite but that is one character who exited just before he got over done
DoofDoof 05.19.19	Cheers Zak, really excited about it - couple of the group are newly single so should be classic, be funny if the old boys shape up enough to try their luck
zakalwe 05.19.19	Joffrey was legendary. “Sir whatsit, bring me his head” Fucking amazing, now we have tears and drivel.
hal1ax 05.19.19	"Trolling GoT fans is actually a highly intellectual social experiment I am conducting from my laboratory at Stanford" haha
hal1ax 05.19.19	damn i've never seen young diana rigg before... she is definitely qt
anarchistfish 05.19.19	im more a ramsay's psycho gf kinda guy
hal1ax 05.19.19	i was a pretty big fan of rob stark's wifey
BeyondCosby 05.19.19	Just curious, how many of you think that the petition to have them redo season 8 is a) worth it and b) something that would actually happen? I tend to roll my eyes at stuff like that, but part of me wonders if it would actually be a really good thing.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.19.19	The petition is so stupid
anarchistfish 05.19.19	will never happen
BeyondCosby 05.19.19	Yeah, I think money would be the biggest thing. HBO has its product, it's made it's money. I'm not sure they would put out any more just to make a couple of people happy.
anarchistfish 05.19.19	most you can hope for is a competing interpretation sometime in the future, maybe once (if) the books are finished.
anarchistfish 05.19.19	house of cards finale was a bigger trainwreck honestly
Egarran 05.20.19	I knew from the start that petition would fail. Amazing that so many people here took it seriously.
anarchistfish 05.20.19	So clairvoyant
Sinternet 05.20.19	reminder that the new series of attack on titan is currently airing and it's fucking incredible forget this horseshit
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	season 1 of Attack on Titan is probably the worst animated series I've ever seen in my entire life so consider me doubtful
anarchistfish 05.20.19	anyone got stable stream
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	is it that time already
anarchistfish 05.20.19	nvm im good
Sinternet 05.20.19	current series ain't even comparable to season 1
anarchistfish 05.20.19	i wonder is there gonna be a moment where dany tries to dracarys jon and it fails edit lol nope
anarchistfish 05.20.19	jesus jon is lame now
Trophycase 05.20.19	"season 1 of Attack on Titan is probably the worst animated series I've ever seen in my entire life so consider me doubtful" yeah it is preeeeeettty cringey
anarchistfish 05.20.19	arya spin off successfully established. thanks D&D
anarchistfish 05.20.19	i already want to see bran assassinated
EoinCofa 05.20.19	Okay, at least Jon wound up with Ghost. Fuck 8 seasons! VEEP blew this shit away!
EoinCofa 05.20.19	Going to start re-watching Archer!
anarchistfish 05.20.19	sansa was the best thing about that ep. everyone else should just kill themselves at this point
Maco097 05.20.19	Attack On Titan is pretty good for being anime.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	No, it isnt, it's terrible for anime
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Anyways wow that was the most boring episode of GoT ever for sure. Thank god that's over
anarchistfish 05.20.19	i guess it's time i watched the wire
Tundra 05.20.19	THAT WAS THE SHITTEST PIECE OF GARBAGE I HAVE EVER SEEN ON TV
Rolling Girl 05.20.19	Was not expecting a happy ending for like half of these characters. Still tho, I was happy with this season
zaruyache 05.20.19	so Drogon melts the chair, but it doesn't melt the snow, and there being a bloodpatch in the snow is kiiiiind of the only reason anyone knows what happened to Dany. If it'd all properly washed away, jon coulda just said she rode off on the dragon for whoknowswhere, and nobody would be the wiser.
Tyler. 05.20.19	..ok
trilo 05.20.19	Anyways wow that was the most boring episode of GoT ever for sure [2] i didnt hate the ending it was just so boring. i am whelmed
anarchistfish 05.20.19	that was ash. they were trying to make that link i think
zaruyache 05.20.19	also at the beginning jon confronts greyworm and then walks off, and then next we see jon going up the stairs to see dany but somehow greyworm teleported there before him?? really bad editing since it implied jon went directly there when clearly he couldn't have and then suddenly it's winter, and then 20 mins later all the snow is gone?? and they kept hinting about jon telling dany he'd been resurrected was going to be a "thing" but i don't think anyone ever actually told her he was killed before? Just a lot of unrealized ideas they forgot to do anything with this whole season.
Trebor. 05.20.19	D&D have done it. The worst final season of a previously acclaimed show in television history. Take a lap boys, now on to further tarnishing Star Wars
Tyler. 05.20.19	i feel like this kind of "boring" slow kind of episode would have gone over much better if the show hadnt gone donwhill so hard
anarchistfish 05.20.19	it was ash
anarchistfish 05.20.19	yeah the seeds were sown with s7. screenplay was very weird for sure
anarchistfish 05.20.19	"The worst final season of a previously acclaimed show in television history." house of cards is tough to beat honestly
zaruyache 05.20.19	"it was ash" ehh ok, but the rubble is also randomly gone from places that should reasonably still be dirty a few days or weeks later.
JeetJeet 05.20.19	Weak ass finale. Dumb season overall. Kinda fitting for a show thats always just been ok with flashes of brilliance.
anarchistfish 05.20.19	i don't even wanna get into what timespans were involved between scenes cos that was a mess
Storm In A Teacup 05.20.19	The only way this is a good final episode is if Arya is really getting a spin-off.
anarchistfish 05.20.19	I smelled a spin off stronger than the stench of stale tobacco in my room
rockandmetaljunkie 05.20.19	I don't think i can ever forgive the writers for what they did to Jon's storyline. He went through all of this just to go back to where he started? Underwhelming as fuck. I would prefer if the dragon had incinerated his ass or if the unsullied had him killed. I had no problem with the other endings thougb Bran's slipping away from the council to go spy on the dragon was hilarious af. This will go down to history books as one of the most controversial finales of all time. It might even surpass that of Lost... The acting was superb, though. Too bad the actors were not given a good script to wrap a story that could and should have a better written ending.
Tyler. 05.20.19	The only way this is a good final episode is if Arya is really getting a spin-off. ?????????????????????
zaruyache 05.20.19	he didn't go back where he started he went where he'd always wanted to go: the north. the northy north. norther-er. w/e "is if Arya is really getting a spin-off" there's no source material to rip from when it comes to the far far east/Asshai, so doubtful. it's purposefully mysterious. Which is why it's a dumb idea in the first place, since people already sort of guessed that Asshai was on the other side of the sea, but it was just a really big gap so nobody'd gone that way before. The *real* adventure would've been to Sothoryos in the south.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	What did they use for the ash, fake snow? Lel
anarchistfish 05.20.19	Are we certain it's a sphere
rockandmetaljunkie 05.20.19	@Zaruache Many people support that view, but that desire was never established, or shown either. All i remember was Jon resigning from his position. I have my doubts that he wants to be lord commander again, let alone, go and live with the wildlings. Very underwhelming....
anarchistfish 05.20.19	Nights watch can be what they want to be I guess He considered himself free of his life oath when he was ressurrected
zaruyache 05.20.19	he kept saying his home was in the north. i doen't wawnt ta bee tha king mah hooem is in tha nohth
MO 05.20.19	Just such a rushed final season, this episode could never deliver. Show needed at least 2 more full 10 episode season and writers who actually cared.
JeetJeet 05.20.19	They had that nigga Tyrion in fucking CHAINS and he was still regulating the discussion lmfaoooo.
JeetJeet 05.20.19	BRAN as ruler? FUCK OUTTA HERE LMFAOOO
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Bran as ruler: does nothing ever
zaruyache 05.20.19	"maybe i can find him" boy there are no Weirwood trees in esos and i don't think you really wanna fly a raven all the way across the narrow sea like uhhhh wat
Skoop 05.20.19	By far the most fan fiction feeling episode in the series. Boo
Deez 05.20.19	Jaime and Cesei dead by the whole fucking place falling on there heads but theres no rubble anywhere and Tyrion can just freely wakl around until he finds them under 100 house bricks hahah FUCK OFF
ArsMoriendi 05.20.19	I've only ever seen 4 episodes of this show: the first episode ever, the episode where the Mountain murders Oberyn, some random season 5 Arya heavy episode or something, and the finale, and all I can say is... I'm kinda glad I never got into this since everyone hates the ending.
Deez 05.20.19	not gonna lie though as much as ive hated this season i do feel a lil funny it being over. :' (
zaruyache 05.20.19	It's the end of an era.
SitarHero 05.20.19	Yo, let's be real. The only character we all cared about was Ghost. And he got his happy ending. So the Finale was a success IMO.
TheFantasticDangler 05.20.19	what is this erragan guy even going on about, dude is nuts, worse than the ending of this 'literal' shit show every fucking comment trying to belittle someone, dude we get it you're an asshole, no one cares and no one is taking you seriously jfc anyways jon petting ghost again was easily the best part, everything else was a slog. Bran, the least human human in the world who constantly lives in the past and struggles to say more than 5 words at a time, is chosen to unite and lead a nation. Should be alright.
WatchItExplode 05.20.19	Ended about as well as it could have given the circumstance in my opinion.
WatchItExplode 05.20.19	I like how the council laughed the notion of democracy out of the Room and Jon snow went to the super far North to start a more culturally sensitive societee with his Ginger lover
Slex 05.20.19	That was so truly baffling and hysterically atrocious that I feel like I'm in a fever dream and hallucinated it That was Dexter level lmao Also love how Jon didn't hug Bran's creepy ass, laughed out loud
JeetJeet 05.20.19	Doof get in here and defend this so we can jump you.
InFlamesWeThrash666 05.20.19	Last 2 seasons sucked but fuck,i'm gonna miss GoT
hal1ax 05.20.19	yes of course the lamest character becomes the king. makes sense. um yea dog shit finale as expected. and attack on titan is fucking insufferable
Deez 05.20.19	Grey worm, teleporting to the top of the steps to beat John. 'Too slow bitch'
hal1ax 05.20.19	i hope the white walkers kill everyone in the books.
WatchItExplode 05.20.19	I saw that teleport too like damn grey worm supernatural
Scoot 05.20.19	fucking retards left a water bottle in frame by sam’s foot during the dragon pit scene
Faraudo 05.20.19	Finale was excellent. Bran becoming the king is the most logical thing, even if we don't like his character.
unclereich 05.20.19	Probably haven't been this excited about a hip hop album since good kid in 2012 Probably haven't been this excited about a hip hop album since good kid in 2012 Probably haven't been this excited about a hip hop album since good kid in 2012
budgie 05.20.19	"fucking retards left a water bottle in frame by sam’s foot during the dragon pit scene" umm excuse me some of us here are retards so
outliers 05.20.19	my god what an abomination of a finale to top off the diarrhea stain that was season 8
SitarHero 05.20.19	Let's go back to talking about the hottest female characters. Which is obvs Doreah.
DominionMM1 05.20.19	indeed
Danred97 05.20.19	A really great finale imo. Yeah there are plenty of nitpicks I could have, but the good stuff far outweighed the bad and I was satisfied with the endings of all the stark children.
rockandmetaljunkie 05.20.19	Bronn literally had the easiest season of his career lmao
hal1ax 05.20.19	na... hottest GoT character: https://www.theplace2.ru/archive/oona_chaplin/img/1_(9)(45).jpg
outliers 05.20.19	"Bran becoming the king is the most logical thing, even if we don't like his character." he can see glimpses of the future, but never mentions to anyone tens of thousands of people are going to die all for him to be king...dude's literally the biggest psychopath in the show and now hes the king lmao
twlight 05.20.19	the dialogue in this one was the worst yet
twlight 05.20.19	that shot of Dani with the dragon wings opening behind her was fantastic tho. all things aside, the cinematography this season was stunning
DominionMM1 05.20.19	the score was great too
LelandAB 05.20.19	Hottest GOT Character is Talisa [2345678]
dimsim3478 05.20.19	"that shot of Dani with the dragon wings opening behind her was fantastic tho." this was sooooo cheesy and over-the-top to me. looked like somethin outta a fuckin power metal music video.
Tyler. 05.20.19	yeah i chucked at that scene lmao
Pangea 05.20.19	weird finale. it seems that their idea of a bittersweet ending is to have the first half of the episode being sad and dramatic af and then have the second half to be a kind of a comedy. the tone was all over the place. bran becoming king is such a weird decision as well that i'm not sure how to feel about it. i liked arya and sansa's endings though
Pangea 05.20.19	The petition is so stupid [2] i don't like the season at all but petitions like that are annoying traits of entitlement that i can't stand
outliers 05.20.19	lmao there were TWO water bottles in that council scene..........
SpiritCrusher2 05.20.19	great finale
zakalwe 05.20.19	Just watched it. I can live with it. In order for a new future the literal past is on the throne and has been orchestrated to make it so. yeah I can definitely live with it.
Pangea 05.20.19	the scene where they introduced the book 'a song of ice and fire' was so groan-inducing
zakalwe 05.20.19	Not as groan inducing as half of the cinematics. Thought I was watching T2 at one point.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Whole ep was a massive piece of shit
zakalwe 05.20.19	Nice to see Dany had been playing pillars of eternity tbh
Papa Universe 05.20.19	...well, at least it looked really cool.
Deez 05.20.19	Im just not buying the Dany being a fucking maniac so quick. I know it makes sense, I know it was always happening but they just rushed it so fast despite any of your foreshadowing and hints along the way etc etc She went straight to kings landing to help jon fight the walkers just 2 fucking episodes ago now youre selling me shes this Mass fucking murderer whos gonna carrying on burning everywhere else now. I just cant buy into in on the show. Its not the turn its the way its been done like all this series. Her death was fucking lame and obvious. I actually picked my phone up at that point as we all knew what was happening. Why the FUCK would the dragon burn the throne as if the dragon gives 2 fucks about the throne. Why wouldnt he burn Jon who killed his mam? Cos he can smell the Targeryan? Fuck it would be the only 'good' thing that came out of that 'revelation' And thats it? The dragon just gets off? The water bottles. Jaime could have saved cersei if hed moved 10 feet to his left because the roof was absolutely fine it was just a few bricks. The fucking happy ending. Its game of thrones!! Tyrion not allowed to speak then negotiates a deal for who to be the king and its a guy who barely speaks 2 fucking words years of excitement waiting for this and couldnt wait for it to end. Pair of fucking dickheads.
zakalwe 05.20.19	Yeah the Tyrion negotiating bit gripped my shit as well.
Mesm277 05.20.19	This finale feels like some came in at the last minute to replace the two front runners and tied up what they could with what they had to work with... I’m guessing this is how Star Wars will go too
BeyondCosby 05.20.19	The season is exactly what it was on paper: George pitched his ending to the writers as bullet points and they didn't know how to fill in the gaps. It's over. Move on.
Deez 05.20.19	You must have missed the title its a game of thrones discussion. If you wanna move on dont enter a game of thrones discussion thread. Also is that actually true ?ive seen it banded about but there seems no actual proof that GRRM gane them an ending
zakalwe 05.20.19	He must have given them some direction or have been given an opportunity for some feedback surely?
Egarran 05.20.19	Well, at least it was better than the two last episodes. Low expectations win again. But still, WHEW, that was pretty bad. And the end was basically a handful of spin-off previews. Now to the memes to makes this all worth it.
Pangea 05.20.19	they have had a day long discussion at some point. it seems likely he gave them some pointers
BeyondCosby 05.20.19	That's the report is they knew exactly where he was taking it and it was up to them as to whether or not they wanted to fulfill it. Couldn't find the article with the actual copy of his letter but this is an interesting read: https://www.theringer.com/tv/2019/4/3/18293309/george-r-r-martin-original-game-of-thrones-pitch-season-8-clues
Pangea 05.20.19	i believe george said that the ending would be similar to the books in preseason so he probably told them the endgame he has in mind. obviously it is not clear how much detail he could give
JeetJeet 05.20.19	Tyrion should've been turned into a goddamn pinata. This show has no balls.
DominionMM1 05.20.19	the sitdown at the ol dragonpit was awful. putting aside the whole bran becomes king thing, how did all those characters the show had cast aside earlier get there and why were they there? was it for a trial or to decide on a new ruler? and after sansa declares the north an independent kingdom why are the other kingdoms not demanding sovereignty of their own? pretty sure yara negotiated that with dany awhile back so what changed?
Egarran 05.20.19	Sam suggesting democracy was fun, though. Show is so lame now that I feared they would see sense and embrace the people's will in a new age. Thankfully the limit went there.
anarchistfish 05.20.19	"how did all those characters the show had cast aside earlier get there and why were they there? was it for a trial or to decide on a new ruler?" they were the remaining lords/leaders of the kingdoms and it was some planned meeting i guess. it was really weirdly edited though. there must have been a several day gap narratively, at least. they just skipped over the fallout from the assassination like they did jon's revelation to his sisters
SitarHero 05.20.19	"Why the FUCK would the dragon burn the throne as if the dragon gives 2 fucks about the throne." So I saw a facebook meme that had a really funny explanation for this. Either, a). Drogon is really fucking smart and realised the corrupting power of the struggle to sit on the iron throne and therefore melted the damn thing. Or, b). Drogon is really dumb and when he saw the knife sticking out of Dany he assumed the chair made of swords killed her so he melted it. :D
outliers 05.20.19	i cringed so hard my spine almost came out of my ass when arya said "i know a killer when i see one" referring to Dany as she stands in a burned down city surrounded by charcoaled women and children........
DoofDoof 05.20.19	I want to live in Branistan
anarchistfish 05.20.19	"as she stands in a burned down city surrounded by charcoaled women and children........" yh lmao there was some fucking terrible dialogue
anarchistfish 05.20.19	probably the worst thing about the ep apart from the overall arching plot
anarchistfish 05.20.19	i really would've been surprised had drogon killed jon. i know in book lore targaryens fought each other with dragons and shit but I really wouldn't see D&D doing it for the globally watched TV show. i kinda saw it as the fulfilment of a prophecy...and drogon's anger is subverted into grief...we all kinda knew it was gonna end like this. the show has become a sort of meta narrative on adaptation in other ways too, for better and worse, unintentional or not. It's not one of the narrative decisions I would question the most anyway
SitarHero 05.20.19	What was wrong with the overarching plot?
BreakfastCat 05.20.19	well that ep gets a solid yikes/10 from me
anarchistfish 05.20.19	in my general opinion the seeds of this disappointing finale were sown way back in s7 when they decided to cut the series length and just go for the big cinematographic finish. it was always gonna be difficult to finish this particular story for obvious reasons but maybe they underestimated just how much the story, and the characteristic GOT slowburn flavour, would suffer as a result. hence you have ridiculous plot developments, unevenness, terrible characterisation (for the purposes of plot development) and a general feeling of it being unearned which is what everyone is complaining about now.
anarchistfish 05.20.19	"a). Drogon is really fucking smart and realised the corrupting power of the struggle to sit on the iron throne and therefore melted the damn thing. Or," honestly as an act of symbolism there was nothing wrong with this
DoofDoof 05.20.19	Enjoyed it more than the end of the LOTR for what it’s worth. Not that that is saying too much. It was very GoT - sort of everything back to business, the world is a compromise and no one is happy - and neither is the audience ho ho ho It was underwhelming in a way...but then felt quite true too...where a ‘woah - how amazing’ fan servicing ending would have not
anarchistfish 05.20.19	but then some of the dialogue was just ugh like even given the plot developments surely you can write better. tarantino could make something of this so fuck off you hack hollywood fucks
anarchistfish 05.20.19	i didn't realise they'd actually been given a star wars trilogy LOL that's fucking hilarious
anarchistfish 05.20.19	yeah honestly given the situation there wasn't much more they could do really. jon's return to the NW is obviously horrifically ironic and sickening yet kinda fitting for the show.
anarchistfish 05.20.19	i mean the editing and dialogue were pretty terrible but whatever
DoofDoof 05.20.19	The ‘laughing democracy out of court’ thing was amusing - and the ensemble was a true ‘who’s still alive?’ oddity.
anarchistfish 05.20.19	jon's return to the NW definitely seems like something GRRM would think up
anarchistfish 05.20.19	"The ‘laughing democracy out of court’ thing was amusing " yeah although given how cringe this show has gotten I genuinely thought they were going down that road
DoofDoof 05.20.19	Felt like Tyrion was given 90% of the dialogue in the finale and honestly with what was left that was a VERY good call. It was fine.
SitarHero 05.20.19	That's not a problem with the overarching plot then, that's the problem with the pacing and the execution of the season. I think the actual story was still pretty great all the way up to the end, but there have been narrative choices made along the way which didn't serve that story and that's why people are up in arms about it. I mean, take Dany's character (and eventually literal) assassination. The fans had begun to believe in the supposed heroism of the character even though she was a violent invader with fairly well-established entitlement and war criminal issues. For instance, executing the Tarleys was very definitely a war crime, but almost nobody held it against her because of the cult of personality surrounding her character in the show and in real life. The whole point of the series was to subvert the tropes of fantasy fiction i.e. there is no such thing as a noble invader and no such thing as a benevolent dictator. Also, all of the prophesies in the series were consistently shit. And even the few accurate ones ("brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes") were only accurate because they were general as fuck. It goes to show that even in a world where magic exists religious dogma and divine prophesies are exactly as bullshit as they are in our world and the show consistently stuck to that theme. The final season was rushed and that was the main problem. There was about 2 seasons worth of material shoved into 6 episodes and naturally there was no time for the character development we've gotten accustomed to. But none of that is the fault of the overarching plot.
unclereich 05.20.19	4.6 on imbd
TheSpirit 05.20.19	i want a story from bronn's POW .... from sellsword to lord of highgarden
anarchistfish 05.20.19	"That's not a problem with the overarching plot then, that's the problem with the pacing and the execution of the season." yh yh words
BigBlob 05.20.19	im struggling to believe the worm guy would have just taken Jon prisoner after he just killed his queen lmao
SitarHero 05.20.19	He probably realised she deserved it.
BigBlob 05.20.19	he was murdering people all over the place too though lol
DoofDoof 05.20.19	I liked Dany’s dialogue actually - fully condemned herself to Jon by mistake. She is 100% a warlord but is so deluded she hasn’t a sniff of a clue that’s how she’s thinking
DoofDoof 05.20.19	My interpretation isn’t that Jon has returned to the Nights Watch - it’s that he’s become the new Mance Rayder, the king of the ‘north north’ who will never ask anyone to kneel to him. So in the end there were three ‘kings’ - Jon, Sansa and Bran, plus Tyrion is a ‘king maker’ effectively and ‘made Varys proud’ Drogon is dropping Dany down a volcano. Or taking her to be resurrected by a red witch. I have no clue - maybe mid flight snack?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Lol couldnt wait after all hey doof
zakalwe 05.20.19	Yeah that’s what I took from Jon fucking off as well. He is the new king beyond the wall. Who the hell thought he remained with the Nights Watch? It couldn’t be clearer for fuck sake.
polyrhythm 05.20.19	Episode and season were 6/10 passable. I liked it more than Season 7, at least. Just a shame this show used to be so much better.
outliers 05.20.19	yeah cause you know the nights watch doesn't fucking exist anymore
polyrhythm 05.20.19	I was actually stunned at how little emotion the finale stirred in me. I well up pretty easily in movies and shows (bloody softie I know)... but not even the faintest tug on the heart strings here, even after 73 episodes with these characters.
DoofDoof 05.20.19	Pots - couldn’t wait what? I said I’d be back talking about this in 24 hours time :/
zakalwe 05.20.19	The Cersei Jamie thing along with Dany and Jon just doesn’t sit right with me at all. I’m definitely pleased with the Bran outcome. The books will undoubtedly flesh it all out when the fat nonce finally pulls his finger out and gets the thing finished.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Just bugging u about telling zak u were too busy to watch til later
DoofDoof 05.20.19	Well I went to work, had food and watched it with the wife - who was not happy with King Bran wew Only real emotion this episode was Tyrion seeing Jaime dead
CosmicPie 05.20.19	As a whole, I enjoyed the episode. They had already gotten themselves in a jam, but I still think it worked out reasonably well. I particularly liked how Jon was the one to kill Dany. I thought that was a pretty strong scene. They acted it out well.
outliers 05.20.19	yeah tyrion magically finding jaime and cersei within 17 seconds under heaps of a collapsed castle was heart wrenching
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Wait wow someone is pleased with bran being on the throne? The fuck?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	@outliers do u mean finding jaimie and Cersei under the like 12 bricks in the miraculously otherwise clear room?
DoofDoof 05.20.19	They built up the Drogon trusting Jon thing quite a lot - the episode where they fly to the waterfall Drogon gives Jon a really strange lingering look while copping off with Dany, very strange but I guess it was saying Jon was the only person who could have walked past Drogon without becoming a marshmallow. Maybe Grey Worm at a push.
DoofDoof 05.20.19	Pots I was thinking ‘damn, if they’d just stood anywhere else in that room’. Guess Jaime did kill her - through being the dumbest Lannister
zakalwe 05.20.19	Yeah. Bran as the three eyed raven knew exactly what was happening and how things would pan out as long as he didn’t intervene too much as foretold by the old three eyed raven bloke. I dig it.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Yeah I'm sure being clairvoyant but not allowed to intervene will make him a fantastic ruler. Imagine all the suffering he will predict and not stop
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Tyrion: "bran war is coming!" Bran: "I know. I have to go now!" *flies around a bit*
outliers 05.20.19	who's pumped for the D&D star wars trilogy i know i am
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	The butthurt looks drogon was giving jon were cracking me up. Hes a fucking lizard ffs, they have exactly 1 facial expression.
CosmicPie 05.20.19	Lol, they definitely should have made Bran a little busier throughout the season so it didn't look like they just elected a stone.
hal1ax 05.20.19	bran: i need the master of coin to allocate funding for my crow circus
outliers 05.20.19	dude literally said like 4 episodes ago he didn't "want anymore" to be the lord of winterfell but by golly he couldn't turn down the opportunity to be king
zakalwe 05.20.19	Bran is the connection between the kingdom of men and the old mob. The entire history of Westeros is bound to him by ‘magic’ he is all seeing/all knowing but still needs someone to wipe his arse so yeah I dig.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Bran as king is about as useless as his cock
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Bran: the all seeing, all knowing guy who cant tell you what he sees or what he knows
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Bran "I knew that was gonna happen" Stark
zakalwe 05.20.19	He is Westeros though.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	The only thing bran IS for certain, with all evidence considered, is utterly useless
outliers 05.20.19	Bran: the all seeing, all knowing guy who cant tell you what he sees or what he knows [234234324327667363]
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Worst omniscient being ever
outliers 05.20.19	if only he was able to prevent the tens of thousands of deaths that occurred so that he'd be king
zakalwe 05.20.19	Bran is not there to intervene he’ll be guiding them along. One could say he may have been placed there by the Lord of Light who was pulling the strings for Christ knows how long.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Would you trade your ability to get an erection for the power to tell the future after it's already happened?
CosmicPie 05.20.19	"Bran "I knew that was gonna happen" Stark" LOL
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Bran: *eats a potato* Bran: "I ate a potato" Westeros: "woooah"
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	More like Bran Starch I guess
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	I just hate bran, he has always been my least favorite character, I've been saying for seasons now that if bran wheels around on the throne I'll flip a table
CosmicPie 05.20.19	I don't know why they thought 6 episodes would be enough to close this thing out. But like I said, with all the constraints and jams considered, it was alright.
Source 05.20.19	Sounds like Breaking Bad is still the only tv show with a good ending?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	I can think of lots of shows with good endings
Faraudo 05.20.19	"The petition is so stupid [2] i don't like the season at all but petitions like that are annoying traits of entitlement that i can't stand" I consider every person who signed that petition a certificated idiot. Like, confirmed stupidity and retardation. "Sounds like Breaking Bad is still the only tv show with a good ending?" Lost, Hannibal, The Americans, etc. I've got several examples. GoT had a mediocre final season with 2 great episodes and a good finale, given the circumstances.
Source 05.20.19	Breaking Bad is the only one where I've said yep I'm completely fine with that ending
Source 05.20.19	Bruh Lost has one of the most universally hated endings ever lol
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Twin Peaks The Return finale is the greatest ending ever
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Same with original Twin Peaks run
zakalwe 05.20.19	Quantum Leap
CosmicPie 05.20.19	"Breaking Bad is the only one where I've said yep I'm completely fine with that ending" Loved BB's ending.
Faraudo 05.20.19	"Bruh Lost has one of the most universally hated endings ever lol" Hmm, Lost's finale is wrongfully hated. Most people that hate it actually believe that everything that happened on the island was a dream just because of the metaphorical purgatory on which they eventually (After they live their lives and die) end up lol
Rowan5215 05.20.19	Twin Peaks and Gravity Falls had the greatest endings of anything
TheNotrap 05.20.19	Poor ending, GoT deserved better
SitarHero 05.20.19	"My interpretation isn’t that Jon has returned to the Nights Watch - it’s that he’s become the new Mance Rayder, the king of the ‘north north’ who will never ask anyone to kneel to him." I don't think it's quite that. Jon's major characteristic is that he wants to do good, but doesn't want responsibility. He wanted to be a ranger, not the Lord Commander. And he definitely doesn't want to be the king of anything, despite how much people want him to be. Being exiled means he gets to fuck around and do the stuff he wants to do, which is help people and keep the whole of Westeros safe, including the wildlings, without having to either answer to a king or be a king.
SitarHero 05.20.19	And RE: King Bran He's basically the best king because the dude is barely human, let along prone to human frailties such as the lust for power. He's a figurehead for the glorified smallfolk (ie everyone on the new King's Council except for Tyrion) to go about running Westeros with Bran only providing oversight and/or foresight.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Hes a lil bitch is what he is
Faraudo 05.20.19	Positives about Bran being king (We do hate him because he's a boring slut, but it makes a lot of sense storytelling-wise): -He knows every single bit of history, so he'll strive towards not replicating the same mistakes. -He can't have children, so there won't be annoying, spoiled cunts fighting for the throne. -He'll never do something out of emotion, so that means that he'll never make an impulsive decision. -He'll never be in love, because being in love always fucks everything up and makes every character do stupid, dumb shit. So yeah, Bran is a rather logical choice.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.20.19	Cons: -sucks -lil bitch -handicapped
CosmicPie 05.20.19	Part of me does appreciate his verbal restraint.
DominionMM1 05.20.19	“Sounds like Breaking Bad is still the only tv show with a good ending?” i remember being satisfied with the sopranos and the wires endings
SitarHero 05.20.19	"He knows every single bit of history, so he'll strive towards not replicating the same mistakes." I don't think he cares one way or the other. Bran only cared about the White Walkers because they threatened the extinction of life completely. That's probably why he didn't do much to stop Dany. The petty machinations of the men and women of Westeros are beneath him for the most part. (It's another question entirely about whether he COULD have intervened in that situation, but whatever) But that's also why he's the perfect figurehead. The small council effectively runs the kingdom and it's the king or queen who usually gets in the way and fucks things up. Bran won't do that. But yeah, the emotionless decisionmaking when necessary is also a plus.
Faraudo 05.20.19	"Cons: -sucks -lil bitch -handicapped" Agree 100% with the cons, Pots.
SitarHero 05.20.19	As a bonus, he can appoint whoever he wants as his successor, then warg into that person and keep ruling in perpetuity. Boom!
Faraudo 05.20.19	Bran is a great fucking choice smh. He's boring and I couldn't give 2 shits about his character, but man he could be a great king.
SitarHero 05.21.19	And he can warg into whoever they choose. Were he so inclined.
Asdfp277 05.21.19	so, was the finale better than berserk's
Asdfp277 05.21.19	(the animé)
CosmicPie 05.21.19	He does seem like the perfect king choice on the surface. An alien detachment from personal vendettas. But I still think he has a bit of the Night King in him.
CosmicPie 05.21.19	I guess it doesn't really matter now... Haha, shits well done.
Faraudo 05.21.19	"He does seem like the perfect king choice on the surface. An alien detachment from personal vendettas. But I still think he has a bit of the Night King in him." That would be a cool little twist, but I think I'm ok with this finale. Season 8 is MILES better than season 7, that's confirmed now.
Dewinged 05.21.19	Well, good luck collecting taxes from the dead in ghost town to build more brothels, oh Bronn, master of coin. Like seriously, WTF was that ending, what are they gonna rule? Everyone and everything's bbq'd to a crisp lol. Democracy? hahaha Uncle sit down. I would have loved to see John Cleese in that meeting at that point. If we are gonna go Monty Python let's go all in! And hey Jon, you can come back, the Unsullied left for an island so they can extinguish themselves. And next time you kill a queen, pls, don't tell anybody. Now, unto Star Wars...
Faraudo 05.21.19	Didn't knew you made a census in King's Landing after the attack lmao. A lot of people died, but not everyone. It is known that she was killing soldiers after, but we don't know what happened to the rest of the citizens. It's one of those times on which you should kinda suspend your disbelief instead of trying to look like an overanalytic individual who thinks that no one else noticed every nonsense that you noticed. Maybe Jon just wanted to go far from fucking Westeros and that's that. If he loved Daenerys as much as he said he did, It's pretty reasonable to want to gtfo
SitarHero 05.21.19	Plus the taxes come from all the westerosi. There's federal state and city taxes my man. Just like want civilised country.
Trundle 05.21.19	didn't know the guys that wrote GoT show were the ones who have been pissing on Star Wars, but now it becomes all too clear
SitarHero 05.21.19	They aren't. But they will be. Still, they now have experience dealing with an awful fanbase. They're as prepared as they gonna be.
Trundle 05.21.19	"They aren't. But they will be. Still, they now have experience dealing with an awful fanbase. They're as prepared as they gonna be." oh, ok, but tbh I don't see how the GoT fanbase is so "awful" it's pretty undeniable that the show went out on a whimper and the whole last season felt like a ham fisted rush to resolve character arcs in 6 episodes
CosmicPie 05.21.19	Jon was the true King in action. That's what really matters. He didn't get the high regard like most would've wanted. But he got what he wanted. To go into the wild and be free. Someone getting the "crown" now is nonsense, and they all know it. That's the point. At least that's how I'm spinning it.
CosmicPie 05.21.19	If I sound serious right now... it's because I am. Lol Gotta make this past 8+ years of storytelling pan out.
zaruyache 05.21.19	the whole "Bran" thing just reeks of Dune's Muad'Dib but, again, without any of the narrative explanation for it. He feels just like a doomed seer who can see where things are going but still has to play a part in creating that future; he's just choosing the least bad of a number of all-pretty-bad futures. But none of that is actually explained or implied or set-up at all, so it's just speculation even though it's the most likely explanation... for why he has these powers and literally never vocally uses them significantly.
SitarHero 05.21.19	"Someone getting the "crown" now is nonsense, and they all know it." In the game of thrones you win or you die. Everyone died. Thematic coherence.
DominionMM1 05.21.19	this show has always had a certain reluctance in embracing the magical/fantasy elements so it’s not surprising
SitarHero 05.21.19	"but tbh I don't see how the GoT fanbase is so "awful"' Search under fan petition for remake.
CosmicPie 05.21.19	Or... their imagination can't escape fate... or destiny... whatever you'd like to call it. The relentless, rolling tide of life.
anarchistfish 05.21.19	This episode felt like a tax return
anarchistfish 05.21.19	I agree with doof about the nights watch stuff too. Like obviously it's not gonna be the same as before
CosmicPie 05.21.19	Man, you dudes...
anarchistfish 05.21.19	Did you not hear how terrible the dialogue was though. Jon's, the parliament sessions, so much general Marvel cringe
CosmicPie 05.21.19	I know, I know. This whole season was kind of ridiculous. But I won't allow some lazy writers to destroy something beautiful. Particularly when the actors remained spot on the whole time. Even if what they were acting was from a faulty source. They gave it their all.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Which actors were you watching because all the good ones were either dead or just not given me life anymore (ahem tyrion)
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Jon, dany, sansa, arya, bran, the four worst actors of the entire show since the very beginning
Trebor. 05.21.19	Hate how Kit Harrington always sounds out of breath Hard agree with Pots
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	3 of the 5 can literally do nothing except eyebrows, the other 2 cant even muster up that much of a facial expression
thedoom 05.21.19	Guys what is west of westeros?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Westereros
CosmicPie 05.21.19	Which actors? Come on... They were right on. Don't let the shitty writing disrupt what they do. Clarke, Harington, Dinklage, etc... all of them acted well.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Even westeros
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Just said, sophie Turner, kit harington, emilia Clarke, maisie Williams and whoever the fuck plays bran are the worst actors to ever grace the show
CosmicPie 05.21.19	I see you just said that. And I just said the opposite.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Sorry u said "which actors" after so I was confused
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Dinklage used to be one of the best but at this point is just tired. His scene finding jaimie was fuckin weak. Cersei was great until the end but was barely there
thedoom 05.21.19	I agree that the characters left are mostly not the better ones of the main cast, but imo you really can‘t critisize them when the script and dialogue are complete dogshit.
CosmicPie 05.21.19	"Sorry u said "which actors" after so I was confused" I did. I just don't believe your comment, haha.
Valkoor952 05.21.19	"Just said, sophie Turner, kit harington, emilia Clarke, maisie Williams and whoever the fuck plays bran are the worst actors to ever grace the show" I'd maybe remove Kit Harrington, but otherwise hard agree
Valkoor952 05.21.19	"Dinklage used to be one of the best but at this point is just tired. His scene finding jaimie was fuckin weak." This is entirely due to shit writing
thedoom 05.21.19	Peter Dinklage had that constant please-kill-me face this season
CosmicPie 05.21.19	I must be blind.. because i thought they all acted pretty damn well.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	@valkoor and?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	I didnt include him in the actors that were always shit. I said he used to be one of the best.
Valkoor952 05.21.19	you were listing bad actors, so I thought you were knocking Dinklage's ability to act in the latter seasons
CosmicPie 05.21.19	You all need to learn to separate the writers from the actors.
Valkoor952 05.21.19	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7eU1jO8YnI The first 30 seconds of this is the best acting Dinklage has shown in the last few years actually
thedoom 05.21.19	He used to have something to work with, the actors for Tywin, Olenna or Oberyn would probably look considerable less interesting aswell, although that‘s hard to imagine.
DominionMM1 05.21.19	man i hate to think about what they would’ve done with tywin
Deez 05.21.19	Oh.....what was that line again.....damn....Kit Harringtons moment....what was it...Oh yeah 'shes my queen' Wow. Fucking epic
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	@cosmic, no, the writing has not always been bad, some of the actors have, and are terrible elsewhere as well. It's not the writing, it's that you dont agree that they are bad actors.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Tyrion's prostitute gf was also terrible
Valkoor952 05.21.19	I mean she's an actual pornstar so, can't expect much there lol
CosmicPie 05.21.19	Okay, I'm in. What did they act terribly?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	All 3 of the sand snakes were abysmal
CosmicPie 05.21.19	And... I don't remember saying that the writing was always bad... just a quick fyi.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	@cosmic pie the entire show and everything else any of them have ever done that ive seen. The two most notable being sophie and emilia
Valkoor952 05.21.19	Gotta say, Oberyn was probably my favorite character until they killed him off. Great acting by Pedro Pascal, he was so slick and he was such a badass. Every time I watch the mountain fight, I kinda hope it ends differently.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	I know u didnt, I'm.just saying that it's not the writing if the actors have always been bad and the writing hasn't.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Pedro was great ya
CosmicPie 05.21.19	I just realized you weren't implying that...
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Oh I almost forgot iron fist dude wow was he bad
thedoom 05.21.19	You mean the greatest character portrayal of all time Euron Greyjoy?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	No the knight of pansies or w/e. I'm going at long gone characters now tho
CosmicPie 05.21.19	Lol, you're being consciously disruptive. I think this is the best cast, collectively, that I've seen in a while.
Valkoor952 05.21.19	Margaery was hot as fuuuck They blue-balled me real hard when they stopped that "shame" ritual she was about to get
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Cosmic, dude, get over it. I don't like those actors, u can have ur own thoughts. There are plenty of great actors on the show too they are just mostly all dead or lacking screen time
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Or boring now because of poor writing and lack of enthusiasm
thedoom 05.21.19	And now Bronn rules over Highgarden. Jesus Christ.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Consciously disruptive foh with that b.s. cop out come on
CosmicPie 05.21.19	Haha, you just want a guy to joust with intellectually. I wish I could give that to you brotha.
CosmicPie 05.21.19	I mean... I could...
Valkoor952 05.21.19	"I wish I could give that to you brotha." what a fantastic self-own, and in the same sentence too
CosmicPie 05.21.19	Always owning myself. Must keep a smile though.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	No I literally just genuinely think they are terrible actors. Go watch han solo, terminator genesys, X-Men apocalypse, frontier or w/e. they are one dimensional, boring, and wooden
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	I dont think anyone other than you thinks that that's a shocking enough statement to think it's me just trying to get a rise out of people
CosmicPie 05.21.19	Might be the most cringy post I've made. But I will leave it. lol
CosmicPie 05.21.19	All you're doing is trying to get a rise... What else do you want? Really? I'm here for you. When Jon killed Dany... you think that was bad acting?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Ur retarded peace
zaruyache 05.21.19	those films all had notably bad elements to them which could very likely have impacted their performances tbf.
CosmicPie 05.21.19	"Ur retarded" Hmmm, tell me something I don't know. Will ya, please?
Faraudo 05.21.19	U whiny as fuuuck, the finale was serviceable given the circumstances, end of it.
DoofDoof 05.21.19	The Guardian put two season 8 episodes in the top 10 of their ‘every GoT episode ranked’ list. Bit going too far ‘the other way’ for me but fair play - I did really like episode 2 this season. The finale...I liked it but let’s be real, it would just scrape a top 30 at best.
DoofDoof 05.21.19	Sitar - I don’t think Jon will ask to be treated like a king by the wildlings...they’ll just consider him their king. Like Mance Jon will never ask for them to kneel cos that's how he rolls (rules?). Tormund will bore everyone to death about how Jon is 'a dead man' and rode a dragon so he's got that one sewn up, no one challenging him. Very similar deal to Mance. I like that - was a surprise just when you thought Jon would come full circle and become the new Lord Commander he actually becomes the new king of the free folk. Also the hoo hah of Bran being king...he’s close to being a proxy king for Tyrion, there’s also another ‘king’ in the north (Sansa, she's def a 'queen' of an independent state, not a 'warden') and another king in the north north (Jon) No one claimed the iron throne as it doesn’t exist and Bran always had a throne anyway - his wheelchair. ‘Umble lad. So you got three and a half kings really - who else could have been a king? That’s pretty much everyone left who could realistically have become a king
DoofDoof 05.21.19	Also Bran effectively being a 'dragon alarm' is funny - strange they actually went to great lengths to spell that out 'hmmm, I might try and find where he is' etc
impoppy 05.21.19	SHE'S MUH QUEEN
DoofDoof 05.21.19	Dany's Hitler address was classic
Egarran 05.21.19	Pots found a new plaything, Doof. This cosmic guy is getting the full retard treatment.
wwf 05.21.19	I know this is late but I totally agree that the acting wasn't that great this episode, which is rare coming from the main cast of the series at least Tyrion's completely flat delivery while talking to Jon about all this insanely important shit and literally asking him to kill his girlfriend... like holy shit, emote Idk if it was a director decision or if Dinklage was checked out because of how bad it's gotten in the last five years for him or what but damn dude
Egarran 05.21.19	All the actors were pissed after reading the script. You can"t save this by acting when every one is thinking about the plot holes.
DoofDoof 05.21.19	'Tyrion's completely flat delivery while talking to Jon about all this insanely important shit and literally asking him to kill his girlfriend... like holy shit, emote'' I think the idea was both were deeply depressed by what had happened and Tyrion was putting forward the argument for cold hard logic (eventually Dany's paranoia will kill you or your sisters chap, let alone everyone else who she comes into contact with). Delivering it like a wild eyed loon or emotionally blackmailing Jon was not the right idea. Appeal to him with cold hard logic mixed with some level headed compassion because that is Jon. I actually think Jon tried to mimic Sean Bean's Ned delivery A LOT in this episode - worked really well for me. Pretty sure the writers and directors were constantly reminding him 'channel Ned - remember your Ned Stark's 'son' (brought up by Ned)
DoofDoof 05.21.19	Egarran - plot holes? If this episode did one thing it was fill up plot holes.
DoofDoof 05.21.19	Dany's 'we've never seen a world like this new one I'm about to build' dialogue was great - I dunno, think people are asking for some strange things from this episode 'I want pure emotion, I want to cry over GoT' I have never cried over an episode of GoT or exclaimed 'oh the feels!' - it has never been that show imo Expecting this to be Six Feet Under just because it was coming to an end is just strange to me. There was emotion, but never was that the main draw with this show...at least for me.
wwf 05.21.19	'I think the idea was both were deeply depressed by what had happened and Tyrion was putting forward the argument for cold hard logic (eventually Dany's paranoia will kill you or your sisters chap, let alone everyone else who she comes into contact with).' I get that, but I don't know. The most horrible thing to happen in Westeros in decades just happened though, and Jon isn't even mad about it, just despondent? Weird choice Tyrion knows that Jon is probably literally the only one in the world who can stop her, I don't see how he wouldn't be begging in that situation But to be fair, Jon very clearly came to that jail cell because he knew that it was something he was supposed to do, even if it wasn't honorable
DoofDoof 05.21.19	wwf - I think we saw a lot of scenes with Jon's simmering displeasure/anger striding about, almost like displacing his feelings by pacing around he was so angry he shunted a would-be rapist - I think he got plenty heated at points also, a lot of people's criticisms I did think would be exposed as simply lacking patience - if anyone still doesn't understand Dany's thinking or decline after this episode which made it crystal clear then they're beyond hope patience was all that was needed...
wwf 05.21.19	I don't think GOT's ever made me cry either, but I will say though, rewatching the show just now, I'm pleasantly surprised with how much of the dialogue still gives me chills. S1 isn't even one of my favorite seasons, I think the way it's set up is a little awkward and some of the lighting is very TV, but the 'You win or you die' scene or 'He was no dragon'... such great stuff
DoofDoof 05.21.19	Season 1 is a 9 out of 10 but the three after are prob 10 out of 10s Even after Season 1 ended at the time I wasn't sure the show was more than a more popular than most cult niche show Then it majorly blew up between seasons 2 and 3
wwf 05.21.19	Ok honestly though, I get Dany's line of thinking in the last half of S8, I really do. She's now equating her own tyranny with liberation, got it. But Dany's arc on the show should basically be the greatest character arc in television history, on paper: From being a victim used as a bargaining chip between rapists, to being accepted by and then leading a Khalasar, to being a naive and overzealous conqueror, to striving to be an empathetic and receptive liberator, to becoming a ruthless, overreaching tyrant. And every step of the way, she genuinely believes she is doing the best she can to help the people around her She went from being the kind of person that would lock up her dragons, the very symbol of her birthright, just to stop them from potentially harming any more of the innocents under her wing, to being the kind of person that would pettily burn down a city after she had already won just to inspire more fear Like that's the sort of arc that should blow Walter White's out of the water. What an immense and ambitious arc that could've been brilliant. But it's just not on that level, because it's rushed. You can just feel it And it's really not just this seasons fault
unclereich 05.21.19	Isnt this show over
Egarran 05.21.19	You're amazing Doof. At least some naysers here are clearly autistic, but you seem to derive a masochistic pleasure from this. But man, no plot holes? I'm gonna need better bait that that.
SpiritCrusher2 05.21.19	finale was fine. episodes 3 and 4 were pretty lame tho, and since then everyone's been jumping on this hate train. I mean the dialogue and characters were at this level of quality the last season too, but I guess it wasn't that cool to hate it back then.
DoofDoof 05.21.19	Egarran - I was meaning plot holes in particular regard to this episode. I know there were quite a few elsewhere.
Egarran 05.21.19	An obvious plot hole is Jon going from killing Dany with no human witnesses to apparently being in jail. How was that supposed to have happened? Yo Grey Worm, I killed your Queen and Drogon flew away with her corpse. What, that angers you? Jeez calm down, you used to be cool. Jon should clearly have been killed. FUCK I'm taking the bait aren't I? Bastard.
BreakfastCat 05.21.19	He was executing prisoners because they were enemies of Dany but then when he meets Dany's killer he's all about that due process like better read this dude his rights and put him up in the cells pending bail
CosmicPie 05.21.19	There were plot holes all over. I still think the actors did well given the lack of development from the writers.
Egarran 05.21.19	Tyrion not being in the history book, despite constantly being at the center of developments. lol I guess
wwf 05.21.19	the war basically started when he was captured, yee might as well not put Jon in it at that point
anarchistfish 05.21.19	"Egarran - plot holes? If this episode did one thing it was fill up plot holes." https://imgur.com/p2aNEfl
outliers 05.21.19	why in the bloody fuck is bronn the fucking MASTER OF COIN
DamnVanne 05.21.19	Soldier of fortune
Deez 05.21.19	'if anyone still doesn't understand Dany's thinking or decline after this episode which made it crystal clear then they're beyond hope' Jesus fucking christ see this is the argument all you d and d shills have been churning out similar to 'Oh people didnt get what the want so theyre mad' You think that 'cleared' anything up? Most people don't have a problem with her OBVIOUS decline into madness its how poorly it was handled. She was fighting the walkers for the good of mankind when she could have skipped straight to KL just 90 fucking minutes before shes a genocidal maniac who killed more than anyone in the whole series with no remorse. Even people who loved her didnt give a shit when she was stabbed in the heart and declaring these people from the old world wouldnt have respected her new world or whatever it was was just so dumb. Also what the fuck happened to winter? WINTER IS COMING. Lasted about a week best winter ever. At least Bronns trying to get some brothels put back together in a city where everyone was fucking torched.
Deez 05.21.19	Just seen Kit saying if people didnt like it the can 'go fuck themselves' haha and BRAn fucking BRAN saying hes took teh criticism personally hahah The guy who sat in a fucking wheel chair and did nothing is mad people didnt like it the only person worse than him in this season was indeed Jon 'She my queen' Snow. Again using the cop out argument its just people who 'didnt get the ending they want' and 'Fan theories that were wrong' Just sticking up for there D and D mates I guess
Dimorphic 05.21.19	Greyworm: 'YOU ARE PRISONER. YOU SHUT UP. YOU HAVE SPOKEN ENOUGH!' Tyrion: Proceeds to shape the history of Westeros for millennia to come. Rest of the council: Yeah, sound, never heard of the 3-eyed raven but ya gotta admit a cripple will have a lot of time to consider how to run a kingdom. AYE.
anarchistfish 05.21.19	"Just seen Kit saying if people didnt like it the can 'go fuck themselves' " i saw that when it came out and i thought well that's not a good sign
outliers 05.21.19	“Jon went north, Arya went west, Drogon went east and the writing went south”
Flugmorph 05.21.19	https://youtu.be/AHondQzm6F0 based snob
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Egarran how do you talk while your tonsils are floating in my semen
Egarran 05.21.19	Woah. Now that's the Pots I know.
Deez 05.21.19	Apparently even a lot of the people on the show questioned some of the writing in that season. I 'Know' a guy who works as a key grip. He never gives to much away though.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Yoooo outliers where is that quote from lmao
Deez 05.21.19	He also just said this when I asked if any of the actors thought the same 'One of the Directors of Photography (cameraman) is on my Facebook. Posted a comment today slating the acting ability of the actor who plays Brann ' hahha everyone knows Brans gay
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.21.19	Except cosmicpie apparently
CosmicPie 05.21.19	He plays a good stone. Limestone, perhaps?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.22.19	Give the man an oscar amirite!!!
budgie 05.22.19	you know some people have a competitive nature and arent complete 20 iq casual soyboys. even if some people try to be casual they simply cant, their brain doesnt allow them to send villagers to food without building a granary. their brain doesnt allow them to only make 10 villagers for the whole game. we keep making villagers until its grayed out. we dont play that pansy casual bugman little dick aot playstyle. we wanna big dick take all settlement turbo 4 tc boom in ur ass big dick shit meta real rush shit fm fucker fuck shit. understand?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.22.19	I get chyu, man-bun
hal1ax 05.22.19	at least king's landing is now wheelchair accessible for bran
hal1ax 05.22.19	oh shit that's why he didn't forewarn anyone about it?? wooahh
Egarran 05.22.19	The best fanfic is the one where Drogon takes Dany back to the mystical East and has her revived by a necromancer, making her the new undead menace. Arya can bump into her because it's a small world. It's gonna be a totally awesome spin-off, guys!
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.22.19	That's trash. The best fanfic is the one where Drogon thought the chair killed Dany.
zakalwe 05.22.19	lol
Egarran 05.22.19	Illustrated: https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bqxhfa/spoilers_what_drogon_was_thinking/
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.22.19	Honestly the only spinoff I'd watch is Drogon going around killing chairs
zakalwe 05.22.19	He should go around eating all the chairs in Westeros and lay the biggest stool the likes of which have never been seen slap bang in the middle of the desert i.e just outside the gates of Kings Landing. Now that’s mystical, deep, symbolic and wraps things up proper.
Egarran 05.22.19	And the stool puns write themselves.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.22.19	The worst fanfic was when the horny nerds decided to make arya fuck
SitarHero 05.22.19	It wouldn't have been so bad if she didn't still look 14. Yeesh. I feel bad for the actor who played Gendry.
anarchistfish 05.22.19	i felt bad for all the actors tbh
anarchistfish 05.22.19	i was fine with this scene but this made me lol https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7BA4gQX4AAY1I8.jpg
CosmicPie 05.22.19	"i felt bad for all the actors tbh" Word. I've seen a couple of them try to defend the season, but I can't imagine they really believe the writing was worth a damn.
anarchistfish 05.22.19	the compilation vids of interviews say it all
CosmicPie 05.22.19	That was before the finale was released though eh. I think Turner and Harrington made some comments after hearing all the hate. A million signing a goddamn petition... oh, lawd. Haha
Deez 05.22.19	Nah I think those video comps were them just not letting out who died. Can be eaily misconstrued. Emilia will say 'Best season ever' since she died and Davos is laughing pointing at Varys when they say anything but as I said above one of the guys working on it said loads of them agreed it didnt make sence. Actors are gonna be friends with those 2 dickweeds and stick up for them obviously. Maybe that made them blind to the holes
DominionMM1 05.23.19	well as actors i’m sure they don’t want to burn any bridges here
hal1ax 05.23.19	"https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7BA4gQX4AAY1I8.jpg" lol
Insurrection 05.23.19	what an embarrassing final season. right up there with dexter
Deez 05.23.19	This is perfect https://youtu.be/jAhKOV3nImQ
anarchistfish 05.23.19	this is how i imagine D&D behind the scenes
Dmax28 05.23.19	Kit Harington was asked to describe the season in one word and he straight up said disappointing. Then he said oh I mean epic, well one of those.
Egarran 05.23.19	Why does it matter what Kit thinks though? Isn't it good enough to just personally realize the ending was ...sub-average? "I feel justified because Kit maybe joked about it being disappointing."
DoofDoof 05.23.19	Ending was better than Lord of the Rings tho All that was required
Egarran 05.23.19	The difference is miniscule though. All this needed was more gay bros in slo-mo.
budgie 05.23.19	egarran but where did he run to? and why did not he just walked
Egarran 05.23.19	good questions tho
BigBlob 05.23.19	that white horse scene though
Faraudo 05.23.19	White horse scene is pure symbolism lmao, I don't fuckin' understand why so many people have a problem with it.
BigBlob 05.23.19	symbolised that its time for her to take a gap year and travel the world for a bit. dece
Egarran 05.23.19	I don't recall a similar use of symbolism in GoT. Unless... Are the dragons are also symbolic? Because that would explain a lot.
hal1ax 05.23.19	just rewatched the finale.. lol. i like tyrion's 'westeros needs a good story' bit. like yea you know who has a good story guys?! bran!. cuz getting pushed around on a sled for 3 seasons, spending 1-2 seasons in a cave warging, 1 being bummed about being crippled, and 1 being some awkward sage guy who doesn't actually end up presaging anything is def a good story.
osmark86 05.23.19	"Guys what is west of westeros?" Hallstahammar. a quaint little town, but pretty boring.
Egarran 05.23.19	dude only rewatch s1-6
osmark86 05.23.19	Seriously though it would be hilarious to see Arya's face arriving in Hallstahammar.
Scheumke 05.23.19	Finally saw the last episode and you know what: I didn't hate it. I think considering where the last episode ended this was the best possible outcome for me. Not the way it ended, but the fact I wasn't horribly offended by any nonsense like teleporting or a dragon dying just like that, or killing off characters in the worst and most unsatisfying way possible (varys/cersie). I'm alright with it ending this way.
Scheumke 05.23.19	Overall a very Dexter-like ending though, final season all in all was shite, but the episode on its own couldve been a lot worse.
EoinCofa 05.23.19	It would have taken 50 cents to make a great ending - As Bran (muffin) rolls out, have his eyes turn bright blue. Screen goes black - drop the mic
Kalopsia 05.23.19	^agree with eoincofa, that would've at least given... something... anything... to that ending
Deez 05.23.19	but the fact I wasn't horribly offended by any nonsense like teleporting ' Like when Grey worms cutting heads off and Jon and Davos go to meet the queen but when they get to the top of the steps theres Grey worm with is star trek badge on. It that isnt teleporting. I agree though and I think many have. I have no problem where it all ends up apart from fucking BRAN but if that indeed is GRRM plan, what you gonna do? The problems lie with the way this whole seasons story has been or not been told.Cersie had 25 mins that whole season apparently I just read which is fucking crazy.
budgie 05.23.19	so how does this tv series match up to HBO Rome?
CosmicPie 05.23.19	Didn't realize Georgey and HBO both wanted to go 10 seasons to pan things out. A man is ticked off.
Deez 05.23.19	Honestly if everything that happened stayed the same but was fleshed out with the proper legwork over another season Id be more far comfortable with
CosmicPie 05.23.19	I really wonder what D&D's reasoning was for chopping this down so much.
TheFantasticDangler 05.23.19	What I don't get is that the Unsullied are leaving (and about to get their skin melted by the butterfly disease of Naath) so why banish Jon? No way the Dothraki (who suddenly multiplied after being wiped out by the dead) are hanging around after she left and they wouldn't do so well raiding Winterfell anyways. Additionally, Danaerys just murdered thousands upon thousands of innocents, and everyone everyone but the Unsullied and Dothraki realize it was the right thing to do. Tyrion should have fucking spoken up, or why the fuck not Sansa, and say "Hey hes actually a Targaryen with more right to the throne so you guys can't do shit to him actually." But no, he doesn't want to be king so he should be banished, thats cool. It bothers me how fucking useless they made Jon this season. edit: Oh ya deezer I fucking forgot about that! Jon confronts Greyworm, then Davos is just like 'lets go find the queen'. We stick to Jon walking around after Greyworm starts slitting throats. Jon walks up the steps to find Danny and boom, theres Greyworm, Wtf.
Deez 05.24.19	That type of sloppy laziness was the hallmark of this season. WHo the fuck told the Unsullied tha Jon Killed her anyway, The only way is Jon confessed. So they took him captive? Why? To not risk a war with the north . Grey work would have stabbed that mo fo in the neck right there
TheFantasticDangler 05.24.19	Yeah, really though. How the fuck did that go down. They see Drogon fly off, so they come up to the throne? Jons still there? "Where did Danny go with Drogon"? "Idk but shes dead bro". "What?! How did she die"? "Stabbed her." "???? For real though". "Nah I stabbed her right in the heart, dude." "STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM! NOBODY BREAKS THE LAW ON MY WATCH!"
Faraudo 05.24.19	Well, Jon obviously confessed, he felt like shit for killing his loved one. Not an incredibly uncommon thing to happen in movies/shows.
TheFantasticDangler 05.24.19	Yes, he obviously confessed because how would anyone know otherwise? Its the circumstances around the confession that would be weird. Who did he confess to? How long did it take for them to believe him (aas far as anyone else knows, theyre still fucking, and Jon is not known for murdering, let alone someone he loves). When they finally realized he isn't fucking around, or lying about it to cover for someone, or say they believed him right away (Greyworm and him did go at it a bit, but I'm not sure how that escalates to him murdering danny).....they jsut arrested him and put him in jail? After murdering the entire Lannister surviving army they have regained enough patience to just put him in jail? They want him to be put to death anyway, but they suddenly care about a fair trial?
Deez 05.24.19	Well, Jon obviously confessed, he felt like shit for killing his loved one. Not an incredibly uncommon thing to happen in movies/shows.' Fucking show it then! How many times have they cut away from peoples reactions. Why even confess. Just say she got off on her Dragon somewhere. Dumb af
hal1ax 05.24.19	i could see jon, being the boyscout that he is, confessing and just committing himself to embracing whatever repercussions followed. i'm with deez tho -- fucking show that shit. could've easily trimmed the fat from some other gratuitous scenes and exposited that. instead, we just get some haphazard fast-forward to a subsequent point which did not seem like the obvious progeny stemming from the chain of events that we did see
anarchistfish 05.24.19	"Didn't realize Georgey and HBO both wanted to go 10 seasons to pan things out. A man is ticked off." yeah this really puts the heat on D&D
anarchistfish 05.25.19	bump
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.25.19	another 2 full season orders of D&D ruining the show? no thanks im glad its over with.
SoulFunction 05.25.19	Varys died for nothing. He could've lead the blackfyre rebellion but D&D was like nahh we don't have time for that, here's a sex scene involving Arya for you to jerk off to.
Deez 05.25.19	@potz thats the thing isnt it. Its easy to say we just needed extara epsiodes to flesh more shit out but theres so much fucking filler they could have also done that with EVEN with just 6 long episodes but they chose to have brianne and Jaime and a fucking Disney esque fly on the dragons with Jon and Dany. Theyve shown NOTHING to suggest they had anything in them to finish this story on the whole. Theyre fucking hacks
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.25.19	damn straight, fuck em all to death
CosmicPie 05.26.19	That's a point. The writers sucked this season... I guess more episodes would really mean more shit... haha
hal1ax 05.26.19	i mean more eps had the potential to mend some of the plot holes i suppose but, given d&d's record with saturating episodes with pointlessness and gratuity, we don't have much reason to believe that more content would've rectified anything. prob would've just exacerbated the present issues
DominionMM1 05.26.19	“Theyre fucking hacks” i wouldn’t go that far. pretty sure they wrote the Robert/cersei exchange in s1, the arya/tywin convos at harrenhall in s2, and all the varys/baelish convos so they are capable of brilliance
CosmicPie 05.26.19	A few trick ponies.
DominionMM1 05.26.19	season 6 was awesome overall and d&d didn’t have book material to mine from
Egarran 05.26.19	I couldn't jerk off to that Arya scene. I'm such a fucking normie.
Deez 05.26.19	6 was good but from 5-8 was a pretty steep fall. 6 was solid and obviously Battle of the bastards was beyond great (Wasnt GRRM still helping out at that point?) but the signs where already there then and theve shown nothing now ESPECIALLY in 7/8 to show they give the slightest fuck anymore and have completely shifted from what made the show great originally.
anarchistfish 05.26.19	in a hurry to go ruin star wars it seems
Egarran 05.26.19	That's the theory. I give them 0% chance of making a great SW thing.
dimsim3478 05.26.19	"obviously Battle of the bastards was beyond great" i thought it was boring af.
SlothcoreSam 08.19.22	Anyone gonna check out House of the Dragon this weekend?
PotsyTater 08.19.22	Think I’ll wait til the first season is done and I’ve heard a consensus on whether or not it’s worth my time
wojodta 08.19.22	I won't. The show is over and they're just milking it now instead of coming up with something new. Pretty much like all film/tv these days. Just rehash after rehash.
PotsyTater 08.19.22	But there’s a new short dumpy blonde bro
Shemson 08.19.22	I’ll definitely check it but I’m going in massively skeptical and still bitter about how they fucked GOT that it’ll take something special to win me over
PotsyTater 08.19.22	“I’ll watch it! But I’m not gonna be happy about it!” - all of us
Shemson 08.19.22	Also Paddy Considine is good and Olivia Cooke was amazing in Bates Motel
FreakMachine 08.19.22	Worst fucking second half of a show ever. Season 5 onwards were trash
FreakMachine 08.19.22	"I won't. The show is over and they're just milking it now instead of coming up with something new" Its based on a novel and was always signed on as an option in the initial deal when the book released in 2018. its not milking it if they had already they had the rights to it back then is it.
TalonsOfFire 08.20.22	Season 8 was definitely the worst one but the criticism it got was overblown, and I actually like the last episode The Iron Throne well enough. I think most legit complaints about the season are attributable to The Last of the Starks and The Bells. Still one of the top 5 best shows. High hopes for House of the Dragon but I’m sure it won’t live up to the first 6 seasons of GoT. Will probably read along with Fire & Blood as the episodes come out.
FreakMachine 08.20.22	"Still one of the top 5 best shows." - Not even close "High hopes for House of the Dragon but I’m sure it won’t live up to the first 6 seasons of GoT" - Except season 5 was boring trash and 6 was terribly written. Basically as soon as they stopped using source material, the writing went downhill because they couldn't use the incredible lines of George RR Martin
PotsyTater 08.20.22	"but the criticism it got was overblown," no it wasnt
TalonsOfFire 08.20.22	The first 3 eps were fine, and most of the characters had good resolutions at the very end. Season 6 was amazing I thought, aside from Arya’s storyline.
Shemson 08.20.22	Nah it fell off a cliff after they ran out of GRRM material There was still some cool stuff but the writing was so average, characters like Little Finger and Tyrion completely lost their wordplay which was so sad I think that’s why GRRM has struggled so much to write the next book, the standard was unbelievably high and he’s struggling to do it justice but won’t just release something to appease the audience like hbo did
TalonsOfFire 08.21.22	Season 6 is hugely climactic with show-stopping moments and some incredible filmmaking, so it was very cathartic for me which is why it's my favorite. Season 4 is a close second for similar reasons. The consistently excellent dialogue is in seasons 1-4 for sure. I don't think TWoW will ever happen, let alone A Dream of Spring. GRRM is 73 now and been promising it for a decade! I think he's happy enjoying all the success, going to cons, interviews, parties, and editing other people's stuff rather than focusing on the huge task of finishing ASoIaF.
FreakMachine 08.21.22	"I don't think TWoW will ever happen, let alone A Dream of Spring. GRRM is 73 now and been promising it for a decade! I think he's happy enjoying all the success, going to cons, interviews, parties, and editing other people's stuff rather than focusing on the huge task of finishing ASoIaF." Dance Of Dragons took a little over 6 years and he has already said this one is double the length, so I guess it kinda makes sense
rockandmetaljunkie 08.21.22	People are still discussing this piece of crap?
Deez 08.21.22	Nuke this thread
PotsyTater 08.23.22	“ most of the characters had good resolutions at the very end” Baahahahahahahahahaha

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