TVC15: Religion and music

MrSirLordGentleman 12.01.15	I'm catholic and I listen to Black Widow so no, religion won't get in my musical taste
Mutantsnowstorm 12.01.15	I'm christian...it hardly ever gets in the way of my music, unless the band is talking down on it. For instance, the wonder years are my favorite band, and even though Dan Campbells anti religious sentiment can rear its head into some of their songs, I typically don't let it bother me even though I don't quite agree with the ideas he's presenting
CaimanJesus 12.01.15	Hail Satan
ArsMoriendi 12.01.15	Well Bowie did suck off Satan in the song "The Width of a Circle" lol
Danred97 12.01.15	No, it doesn't really affect me. The only time it might is if the lyrics are blatantly ant-religious without substance. Letlive criticize religion all the time, but it's well thought out, and I welcome scrutiny. I don't however enjoy stuff like BMTH when they say stuff like "fuck your faith". It doesn't really say anything and just comes off as malicious for no reason. Although, I feel I would still hate that just because it's bad lyricism.
brainmelter 12.01.15	Hail Satan[2]
MyNameIsPencil 12.01.15	In a similar vain there are bands that are rather religious (at times) in their lyrics that I enjoy, like mewithoutYou and Thrice. I come from a historically catholic family and was baptised even, but was raised really without religion. I do believe that there is something past death, but what this is exactly is a mystery to me and I believe I shouldn't waste a lot of my life thinking about the afterlife, and actually live my life
ChopSuey 12.01.15	Ewwww religion
Mystletainn 12.01.15	I go to seven different churches actually, they're all down in hell
granitenotebook 12.01.15	yeah it does for me I try to avoid swearing and listening to swearing (or overtly sexual music) as a result it's pretty much impossible for me to listen to most obscure rap since I use clean versions of albums. I think it's funny how hated clean versions are. it's just a preference, like some people don't like listening to certain genres or music that's too cheesy or music that's too sad or whatever. but the music community generally treats you as a complete joke. no, I'm not a 15-y-old trying to find music that my mom will accept (but let's not pretend we haven't all been in that situation), I'm an adult who has decided, for his own reasons (religious) that he doesn't want to listen to profanity. that's my decision and I'm not telling anyone else that they should do the same thing. so it's absurd to me how people think it's their responsibility to tell me that I should do their thing.
ZombicidalMan 12.01.15	you literally are musically challenged due to that choice, lol. too bad
granitenotebook 12.01.15	yep. it's not a huge impediment, I'd just like to listen to like death grips and clppng and a couple others. but there's so so so much music out there that I can find something else
betray 12.01.15	if you can't enjoy music on the account of religion you suck
Ovrot 12.01.15	Hail S'tan
ZippaThaRippa 12.01.15	Don't worry, eventually something will break inside of you. Nothing will matter anymore, you won't believe in anything. Sometimes you'll lie awake thinking about what will happen to you when you die. You'll start to feel sick when you try to fathom the infinite end that is death. But it's alright. It's alright.
EvoHavok 12.01.15	Nope, not letting my beliefs get in the way. All that may bother me is if an album gets too obnoxiously preachy or attacks some religion in the worst way possible.
Beardog 12.01.15	Agreed with EvoHavok, I don't like obnoxiously preachy satanic records too though
SCREAM! 12.01.15	Pretty sure no religion ever says "Thou shall not listen to profanity"
AnimalsAsSummit 12.01.15	best satan is black widow - sacrifice
magicuba 12.01.15	fall of efrafa - Elil is the only band I know using samples of Dawking when dealing with religion. I suggest you guys check it out
magicuba 12.01.15	but then I also listen to Brand New and Mewithoutyou so I guess my antireligiousity is not fundamental when I listen to music. In the same way I visit churces for their architecture and grandiosity and not for what they represent
Zig 12.01.15	No way! Well, I'm a christian who doesn't like christian music. I mean, 'religious' or 'anti-religious' music is not my thing.
zaruyache 12.01.15	"Pretty sure no religion ever says "Thou shall not listen to profanity"" Christianity has the "ye shalt not take the lord's name in vein" thing, which would translate into not listening (for enjoyment) other people committing the same sin. I think that can also probably be extended to other "sins" in the religion as well. Tho sin is just a made-up concept intended to make us feel bad about ourselves anyway, so whaddo I know. "Well, I'm a christian who doesn't like christian music." no one who's not already a sheep with more than two braincells left actually likes Christian music. It's some of the most vapid and emotionally masturbatory music in existence.
Mutantsnowstorm 12.01.15	Oh yeah contemporary christian music sucks. I like artists who can make songs with religious undertones to them without it being "worship music" (for example, sufjan stevens) I played in my churches worship band and while it was fun to be playing music, i couldnt stand half the songs we played.
Friday13th 12.01.15	Saying all Christian music is bad or vapid because you've heard what's popular is the same as turning on the top 40 and saying all pop is vapid or "emotionally masturbatory" whatever that means. Isn't it the same as saying "feel good"?
Alastor 12.01.15	listen to Arvo Pärt
Friday13th 12.01.15	To answer the topic, it effects me somewhat. All else being equal, I do feel more connection to music that speaks about what I believe in. In the sense of staying away from some music, I can listen to music that I like even if the lyrics are contrary to my beliefs. I'd say unless you're getting some sort of sick, hypocritical enjoyment from the ideas against your beliefs, there's no problem. Like Comus, First Utterence is all about rape, but I enjoy listening to the music not thinking of rape haha. If it's too hard to block out the ideas than yeah I won't listen.
CamiloG 12.01.15	Absolutely no! religion and musical taste are poles apart, one has nothing to do with the other for me.
SCREAM! 12.01.15	"Christianity has the "ye shalt not take the lord's name in vein" thing, which would translate into not listening (for enjoyment) other people committing the same sin." He specifically mentions profanity though. As far as I know, the bible doesn't forbid fuck/shit/ass/etc
zaruyache 12.01.15	Specifically? Maybe not. Leviticus 20 9 says that anyone who curses their parents should be put to death, but you'd have to personally define what severity a "curse" to your parent has; is it simply saying insulting things to them, or dragging their names through the mud to destroy their reputations/lives? Pretty sure in the OT/NT you'd still get whipped for saying naughty language, though.
chemicalmarriage 12.01.15	I have no problem with Jesus and I jam shpongle on the regular. Glad to bring some closure to this list
XfingTheSullen 12.01.15	I don't particularly like it when bands make references to religion, but in some rare cases I can tolerate it if the music is good. Like Woe of Tyrants
Zig 12.02.15	@zaruyache: there are some interesting christian stuff, like Neal Morse. Now, pop music is "the most vapid and emotionally masturbatory music in existence.".
Aftertheascension 12.02.15	I guess I consider myself baptist, religion doesn't really influence my taste.
JWT155 12.02.15	I was raised in an ultra Christian Conservative environment, and while it didn't affect my tastes there were people in my church who only let their kids listen to Christian music, needless to say all those sheltered kids either A) Got married and now have even more Christian sheltered lives with their families and kids or B) Finally broke away from their family and went off the deep end due to not being exposed to the real world.
chemicalmarriage 12.02.15	Agree completely and also have to say the ones that break away can be some of the craziest fucks you'll ever meet
ArsMoriendi 12.02.15	Some religious music is cool, like Stevie Wonder's religion songs tend to be amazing. I know "Slippery People" by Talking Heads makes allusions to the Book of Ezekiel in the Bible.
zaruyache 12.02.15	"Now, pop music is "the most vapid and emotionally masturbatory music in existence."." Pop music at least has beats you can dance to and the shows are interesting. I'd rather jam Katy Perry or Iggy Azalea than the "best" christian rock/devotional group any day of the week.
JWT155 12.02.15	What, you don't like closing your eyes, holding your hand in the air and swaying back and forth? http://previews.123rf.com/images/ximagination/ximagination1203/ximagination120300007/12721263-Silhouette-of-people-worshiping-to-the-God-Stock-Photo-worship-people-christian.jpg Nothing wrong with that if that's what you like I guess...
Zig 12.02.15	I know what you mean, JWT155. I was raised Evangelical, other people (not my parents) worried about me listening to heavy metal when I was about 12, they told me metal is the music of Mr. Devil. They tried to get me into 'white' metal and Michael W. Smith, and to convince my parents that I might be bad-influenced by metal. Thank God I left that church.
Zig 12.02.15	"Pop music at least has beats you can dance". What about christian dance music?
Thibs 12.02.15	religion has little to do with music
Wolfhorde 12.02.15	"retty sure in the OT/NT you'd still get whipped for saying naughty language, though." Depends, are we talking pure religious interpretation here or historical reality? Because in the latter case it depends. People in those times were sure as hell no strangers to swearing and not everyone who did so was sanctioned. Also, I'm a moral nihilist so I pretty much can't be religious by definition so no it doesn't have an effect on the music I listen to. Neither does my nihilism.
Deathconscious 12.02.15	"Pretty sure no religion ever says 'Thou shall not listen to profanity'" well of course not, they didnt have albums and CD's and iPods like we do now, and nobody listened to blasphemous music back then. but based on, say, the Bible, its pretty obvious that the Christian god wouldnt want his followers listening to Deicide and shit. saying "it doesnt say it in the Bible so i can do it" is like saying "you didnt say i couldnt hop across the street, you said i couldnt walk across the street" when youre like 5 and your parents tell you not to cross the street. its obviously not something theyd want you to do.
JWT155 12.02.15	Many Christians, and I still consider myself one, constantly create these false dichotomies where enjoying anything that is worldly is sinful and in line with the devil. Take alcohol for instance, so many kids were scared into believing drinking at all was considered vain and sinful, yet Jesus's first fucking miracle was extending a fucking wedding reception when they ran out of wine.
zaruyache 12.02.15	people will tell you that it was actually like grape juice or something tho. "What about christian dance music?" If it exists at all I'm sure the lyrics are horribly literal--which is usually really distracting, especially in the case of religious music--and I'd feel really uncomfortable "dancing" to. Especially since it'd be like being preached at while you're trying to enjoy yourself which seems counterintuitive.
treeqt. 12.02.15	non religious music is worthless tbh
Wolfhorde 12.02.15	Oh why would a religion TEACHER get his panties in a wad about music being satanic. Even if it was, wouldn't it be within his role as a teacher to - y'know - actually research and teach about satanism and what it entails? I often feel that a large part of the American (or North American) religious body lacks the more nuanced approach often seen in Europe.
treeqt. 12.02.15	your mom was right tbh
Wolfhorde 12.02.15	treeqt. being as useful as ever tbh
treeqt. 12.02.15	i take pride in my consistency tbh
Judio! 12.02.15	"I try to avoid swearing and listening to swearing (or overtly sexual music) as a result it's pretty much impossible for me to listen to most obscure rap since I use clean versions of albums. I think it's funny how hated clean versions are. it's just a preference, like some people don't like listening to certain genres or music that's too cheesy or music that's too sad or whatever. but the music community generally treats you as a complete joke. no, I'm not a 15-y-old trying to find music that my mom will accept (but let's not pretend we haven't all been in that situation), I'm an adult who has decided, for his own reasons (religious) that he doesn't want to listen to profanity. that's my decision and I'm not telling anyone else that they should do the same thing. so it's absurd to me how people think it's their responsibility to tell me that I should do their thing." LMAO
mandan 12.02.15	It used to bother me back when I was Christian, but nowadays it doesn't. However, I generally don't want too much Jesus shoved down my throat, so I don't really care much for Christian music for the most part. Unless I like the way the music sounds.
SCREAM! 12.02.15	"well of course not, they didnt have albums and CD's and iPods like we do now, and nobody listened to blasphemous music back then. but based on, say, the Bible, its pretty obvious that the Christian god wouldnt want his followers listening to Deicide and shit. saying "it doesnt say it in the Bible so i can do it" is like saying "you didnt say i couldnt hop across the street, you said i couldnt walk across the street" when youre like 5 and your parents tell you not to cross the street. its obviously not something theyd want you to do." Except we aren't talking about blasphemous music you nitwit we're talking about music with profanity.
Deathconscious 12.02.15	"Except we aren't talking about blasphemous music you nitwit" children are impatient and easily frustrated. anyways, my comment applies to profanity as well.
SCREAM! 12.02.15	It doesn't though. Blasphemous music is a no-no for obvious reasons (Lords name in vain, false idols, speaking against God, etc. Actual commandments from the Bible). Profanity is totally different.
Deathconscious 12.02.15	not really. blasphemy is obviously looked down on more than profanity, but the bible has multiple passages about crude language.
JWT155 12.02.15	But where's the line? If I go see a Shakespeare play, like Romeo and Juliet, am I partaking with their sinful lives, killings and suicide? No, it's a story, music should be treated similarly. To be exposed to something is not necessarily agreeing with it or or endorsing it.
Deathconscious 12.02.15	thats a good point.
JWT155 12.02.15	When I listen to music, say Behemoth's The Satanist cause it's on this list, I'm not endorsing or promoting the ethics behind it, I'm exposing myself to alternative views and sounds. Even take art for example, anyone can admire Michelangelo's David without being lustful or sinful.
SCREAM! 12.02.15	"but the bible has multiple passages about crude language." Debatable. I won't claim to know all passages so I might be wrong but most (if not all) could be argued as simply stating that you shouldn't speak ill of people, not that you should avoid certain words altogether.
SharkTooth 12.02.15	I believe in separation of church and taste
p4p 12.02.15	yall mofos need jesus
Sinternet 12.02.15	I used to be christian up until I was 16, and to some degree it influenced me in that I wouldn't listen to very anti-religious artists, but that was not a huge bother. Of course I also liked bands whose members or overall band was christian, as I guess being religious and young in the UK today is now a minority. When I lost my faith I've found that I still avoid some extrememly anti-religious artists, but as a result of it my tastes have broadened. Family still thinks I'm religious two years on though so that's awkward.
Deathconscious 12.02.15	@p4p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5YL2NfXf34
BeyondCosby 12.02.15	I hate when music gets overly preachy on either side. I feel that if an artist is to share their religious views they can do so in a way that is subtle and yet powerful. If it's tactful it's way more enjoyable than if it's done crudely or in an over the top way. I think August Burns Red is a band that does a wonderful job of toeing this line. They clearly have Christian beliefs but they aren't just constantly shoving God down people's throats.
zaruyache 12.02.15	"am I partaking with their sinful lives, killings and suicide?" No, but by paying money to see it you're allowing it to become more popular and continue to exist. Your presence in the theater and money for tickets both go toward supporting the spread of the ideas presented. It's like when people talk about racist black metal; listening to it is one thing, but buying CDs or merch is actually supportive of those ideas because it provides them more exposure and essentially tells the creator(s) (and everyone else viewing their popularity) "hey, all these people buying your junk are obviously OK with your silly views."
JWT155 12.02.15	Where do then separate the differences? Apple and Nike uses child labor to create their products, am i morally obligated to not purchase their products? What about television, should I not watch shows like The Big Bang Theory because one of the leading men is gay? Who should I support then? Can't count how many people at my church loved Bill Cosby because of his "clean" approach, turns out the guy was a complete scumbag. I think it's so naive and stupid to plainly make things good or bad when a perfectly clean family appropriate comedian could be a serial rapist yet a satanic band could be quality human beings outside of their act. As the parable about taking the speck out of someones eye while you have a plank in yours, all of us on some level indulge in less than ethical practices, and many are very very short sighted on their choices.
zaruyache 12.02.15	the apple/nike issue involves how comfortable you are ignoring the glaring classim issues across the world; the big bang and cosby junk is all up to you and your personal interpretation of your religion lol. I can't tell you how much cognitive dissonance to employ in your own brand of Christianity.
JWT155 12.02.15	"I can't tell you how much cognitive dissonance to employ in your own brand of Christianity." That's my point, no one knows, yet so many constantly force their brand of Christianity and their ethical standards on others. Christianity isn't Black & White, that's why there's God knows how many sects and denominations with their own interpretations of scripture.
FirstStrikeIsDeadly 12.02.15	I believe in separation of church and taste [2]
zaruyache 12.03.15	separation of church and skate [3] "with their own interpretations of scripture." yeah the problem is all that junk was written by iron age desert dwellers who were given no instructions as to how to make their works accessible for future societies. Go figure.
Alastor 12.03.15	theology is the ugly, hunchbacked brother of philosophy.
worthlessscab 12.03.15	not really, just schizophrenic
Wolfhorde 12.03.15	separation of church and pizza [4]
onionbubs 12.03.15	separation of church and fork
worthlessscab 12.03.15	[C]hurch and [P]izza, aye? that sounds awfully familiar