Queensryche
Rage for Order


4.5
superb

Review

by DrJohn USER (47 Reviews)
June 14th, 2014 | 37 replies


Release Date: 1986 | Tracklist

Review Summary: …back in 1986 you had one trait - an inhumanly good voice (That I’ll give you).

"If there's an overall theme for Rage for Order it may be technological indoctrination vs. human emotional response." Geoff Tate, Circus, 1986.

Cut the crap, Geoff. Your recent acts hint that you were never an emotional guy. A pretentious, self-righteous human being, maybe, but back in 1986 you had one trait - an inhumanly good voice (That I’ll give you).

Back to 1986.

Following the release of Rage for Order, the homonymous tour took place and two things became apparent. The first is that back in 1986, Geoff having the looks of a vamp-rooster wanted to be like Mike (remember the TV add? good I'm not talking about that), or at least dance around the stage like him.

The second thing has to do with this album as a musical conception. Queensryche’s Rage for Order is the one album on their catalogue that wants to scream pop, it screams in various ways actually, maybe because it gets upset over not containing pop lyrics (and it tried…how much it tried; it even made a cover of a pop song without pop lyrics its single), it screams in digital maybe for not knowing how to hide, the simple yet smart prog guitar interplay of De Garmo/Wilton, behind synth embellishments or heavily EQed drums and bass. It screams enraged, because all this tech that conceived it was looking at daddy Neil Kernon (former Hall&Oates, Kansas, Dokken, Michael Bolton, etc producer) in a way that spoke: You know that this is not your child… this voice has nothing to do with you.

So are you telling us that this is an overproduced album? Why don’t you keep it short mate?

My short definition of over producing an album would be as follows: The sonic qualities of the recording, cannot be adequately reproduced by the band live; as such, the sound emanating from your speakers isn’t emanating from the musicians credited on the record sleeve.

…and Neil Kernon certainly tried his best- to achieve exactly that.

But back in 1986 and during the Rage for Order tour, the aforementioned second thing became apparent. The band could reproduce this album live, and they did so in a manner that was more than adequate. But only back in 1986. After a couple of years? Well, it was not because someone forbade them to do so, it was simply because Geoff couldn’t.

Tate was still in his prime recording Rage for Order (his absolute vocal prime was The Warning). Actually, Tate was the top Metal singer from 1983 to 1987 (In terms of range, dynamics, technique, versatility, control - no one came close). He was still great on Operation (though his range was already diminishing) and adequate on Empire, in which smartly (please tell me why I sense that conventional or musical smarts/IQ in this band was always synonymous with De Garmo?) the simpler harmonic structures suggested vocal frames befitting his declining abilities. Sadly, nowadays Tate cannot even be considered a singer, as his voice lacks all the traits that made him great for that very short period in the history of the genre. And yes! this gives further props to the truly greats such as Bruce and Halford who managed to retain a generous chunk of their vocal qualities over the years. It also adds extra value to this particular album today, but lets get back to 1986…

Back in 1986 Tate was an inhumanly good vocalist.

If there’s an overall theme for Rage for Order it may be technological indoctrination -as perceived during the 1980s- vs. Geoff Tate’s inhuman vocal response.

Under the latter scope this album will evoke human emotion, and as such it is highly recommended.



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TheNotrap
Staff Reviewer
June 14th 2014


18936 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5 | Sound Off

"Back in 1986 Tate was an inhumanly good vocalist."

Tate was a supreme vocalist till '94.



Excellent album. Will read the review, one of these days.

Auto-pos.

Insurrection
June 15th 2014


24844 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

this review looks very weird aesthetically. you might want to divide it up into cohesive paragraphs because as it is it reads like a bunch of loosely connected thoughts, and like half the review is praising tate's vocals which is unnecessary



awesome album anyway

ExplosiveOranges
June 15th 2014


4408 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Oddly structured review, but still a fairly entertaining read. Pos.

mandan
June 15th 2014


13775 Comments


Can't pos, this really doesn't feel like a review tbh.

menawati
June 15th 2014


16715 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

"Geoff Tate, Circus, 1986"



think you meant circa, unless he was moonlighting as a trapeze artist or something

facupm
June 15th 2014


11850 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

album rules

Friday13th
June 15th 2014


7621 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

More like "circus since 1997." He's been a clown ever since Promised Land haha

NeroCorleone80
June 15th 2014


34618 Comments


Agreed

DrJohn
June 15th 2014


1041 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Tnx for taking the time to comment guys. I ll offer some loosely connected clarifications...

Circus was an American magazine devoted to rock music; during mid to late 80s it focused mainly on hair metal acts,so its name was quite pertinent.

But to me AT LEAST half the album is about Tate's Vocals.

Listen on different live versions of "Take hold of the flame" from 1985 onwards to witness the gradual decline in Tate’s voice.

It is not necessary for a supreme, great, good, bad, etc metal album to have a supreme metal vocalist, though these two are not mutually exclusive(about 94 Promised land).

It is necessary for an album containing vocals to have a vocalist and a songwriter (pertains to post De Garmo era coinciding with Geoff turning into a clown).

Sabrutin
June 15th 2014


9646 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I still can't say if I prefer this or Mindcrime. Mindcrime rocks harder, but this is... I don't know... magical?



The review was... weird. I mean, you haven't barely said anything about the actual record, except that it felt poppy.



Also the first part (everything before "Following the release of...") feels completely useless for me.



beefshoes
June 15th 2014


8443 Comments


Best QR album imo.
The review isn't of professional quality by any means, but it's not bad.
I'd type a rough draft, proofread, wait a day or so, then make revisions.
I'd also try to avoid idiomatic speech unless it's relevant to the album, and cut back on clustering adjectives. "Inhumanly good"
is awkward. Find a single word that expresses the same context. ;)

facupm
June 15th 2014


11850 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

mindcrime is better tho

Sabrutin
June 15th 2014


9646 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

This has a better atmosphere, though.

DrJohn
June 15th 2014


1041 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

(beefshoes)



Your feedback is much appreciated.

beefshoes
June 15th 2014


8443 Comments


No problem man.

DrJohn
June 15th 2014


1041 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

(beefshoes)



I'll still keep using idiomatic speech though... and clustering adjectives(nah i'll try to cut back on those). :P



btw Peter Gabriel's self-titled (homonymous :P) album kicks ass!

facupm
June 16th 2014


11850 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

tate ruled so much

mandan
June 16th 2014


13775 Comments


[2]

Sabrutin
June 16th 2014


9646 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Walk in the Shadows >

The Whisper >

Surgical Strike >



Everything about this record is amazing.

DrJohn
June 16th 2014


1041 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Tate ruleD so - much i agree with the past tense - [3]



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