Spec
11.06.18 | Please. |
guitarded_chuck
11.06.18 | did you not see the other active list |
Source
11.06.18 | No |
Spec
11.06.18 | Eat my balls. |
botb
11.06.18 | Yezzir |
JoeTex
11.06.18 | will do |
Feather
11.06.18 | We doin that MAGA red wave thing everybody? |
JoeTex
11.06.18 | Blue Wave bby! |
AdolfChrist
11.06.18 | Voting would imply i dont want a Trump dictatorship. |
budgie
11.06.18 | you want a trump dictatorship?
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Kompys2000
11.06.18 | RIP other list |
Flugmorph
11.06.18 | pokemon go? |
joshb9864
11.06.18 | I voted. I’m a proud conservative, and this is the most vocal election I’ve ever seen. People are going to the polls in massive numbers, it’s gonna be interesting to see which way it goes. |
keza
11.06.18 | I'm always baffled that people in the US don't vote, as an Australian. Please everyone just get out and vote! |
JoeTex
11.06.18 | out in droves no doubt |
Groundking
11.06.18 | It'd be amazing for the world if New York managed to elect Larry Sharpe. All encompassing governments needs to be given the sword. |
Realm
11.06.18 | I dun voted |
joshb9864
11.06.18 | I’ve voted in every election since I was 18, I voted for Trump. I see a lot of people aren’t happy with the outcome, so that’s why there’s a huge push to vote. I think it’s good to get everyone to the polls, regardless of their political leanings. Who knows we might be surprised at the outcome of today’s election. |
Doctuses
11.06.18 | Yeah lemme make sure I get the word out to the other 10 people on this site - this thread |
joshb9864
11.06.18 | I’ve been alerted on every media platform and app I have about the vote today, pretty sure everyone knows. |
JWT155
11.06.18 | Voted this morning, 4th in line at 7 am, all R on the national level and Democrat twice on the local level. |
Realm
11.06.18 | MAGA RED WAVE |
JWT155
11.06.18 | Eh Democrats will take the House of Representatives, I think the Republicans will hold the Senate. |
gryndstone
11.06.18 | Imagine being a republican |
DoofDoof
11.06.18 | I’ll vote for whoever has the least association with Kanye West and Taylor Swift |
JWT155
11.06.18 | That appears to be R's at this point doof |
DoofDoof
11.06.18 | Has Kanye switched sides? |
Groundking
11.06.18 | Imagine being a democrat |
gryndstone
11.06.18 | He recently said he was 'stepping away from politics' or something. but doof being a republican sounds right |
Realm
11.06.18 | Just kidding I voted for Democraps and indies |
JWT155
11.06.18 | Yep, NY Times: 'I’ve Been Used’: Kanye West Says He’s Taking a Break From Politics |
joshb9864
11.06.18 | I imagine it’s hard to legitimately associate with the Democratic Party these days. |
Realm
11.06.18 | Same with republicans if you see it that way tbh. Both parties are p bad. |
gryndstone
11.06.18 | honestly...imagine associating with the horrid two party system that plagues this country |
budgie
11.06.18 | "Imagine being a republican"
i don't want to |
DoofDoof
11.06.18 | Do republicans believe in the Mexican human wall of death? Cos that sounds like a plot in Man with the High Castle and I’m not sure how it’ll play out |
zakalwe
11.06.18 | I’d go with Republican. Rather a blue collar slob than a devious arse bandit. |
joshb9864
11.06.18 | Politics get pretty toxic, but the Democrats are getting extreme these days |
AdolfChrist
11.06.18 | Implying republican politicians arent just pretending to be blue collar. |
JWT155
11.06.18 | I mean anyone believing there's a Mexican Human Wall of Death is coming is stupid, but it's completely fair to think we as a country can say who can and can't come into the country, there's a reason why in my travels around the world (Europe, Asia, etc) I can't just walk into a country after getting off a plane, and how countries like Canada won't even let you into the country if you have a criminal record in the US. |
InFlamesWeThrash666
11.06.18 | both sides are pretty terrible |
JWT155
11.06.18 | "both sides are pretty terrible"
Truth, and anyone parroting either side hook, line and sinker is just filing in line for a side and not thinking for themselves. |
gryndstone
11.06.18 | and that's just tea |
DoofDoof
11.06.18 | Turd sandwich and douche
Choice is even more dire in the UK - we don’t even have the glitz
More like double douche vs triple turd sarnie |
CygnusX1
11.06.18 | Eh voting doesn't really matter. Mostly depends on where you live. No matter which side "wins", nothing is really going to change anyway. |
Drifter
11.06.18 | what are you adults voting for |
platnum
11.06.18 | Voting against Incel domestic terrorism |
Drifter
11.06.18 | groovy |
JWT155
11.06.18 | Voted against an increase in state taxes in my state. |
platnum
11.06.18 | Voting to keep god out of politics |
JWT155
11.06.18 | hail satan |
platnum
11.06.18 | m/ |
Meridiu5
11.06.18 | = \ T R U M P // = |
AdolfChrist
11.06.18 | "you want a trump dictatorship?"
More than life itself. |
GUNGFUHAMMERFIST
11.06.18 | Never vote for the party that favors voter suppression. |
Coast
11.06.18 | vote to put the gun toting science denying coal fuckers on notice |
zaruyache
11.06.18 | vote or i swear to god i'm coming to your house and punching you in the throat and i'm a shrimpy dude so you know it's gonna be real awkward for everyone involved when it happens so just fkin vote so i don't have to OK |
Drifter
11.06.18 | lol |
brainmelter
11.06.18 | hey the other list was better what happened :( |
AdolfChrist
11.06.18 | Dude, spec is RIGHT THERE. |
TheMrAlexK
11.06.18 | I voted for the first time today feelsgoodman |
JWT155
11.06.18 | 10 years ago I first voted........... |
Meridiu5
11.06.18 | https://i.imgur.com/TuvPcK4.png |
GhostB1rd
11.06.18 | Straight [R] down the ticket and no on all ballot spending measures. |
budgie
11.06.18 | "Straight [R] down the ticket and no on all ballot spending measures."
this is satire, right? i can't tell if this is satire |
rodrigo90
11.06.18 | In my country is mandatory to vote, the only rule is that you must be between 18-70 years old. |
rodrigo90
11.06.18 | I'm a left wing simpathizer, but I thought Obama didn't make a shit for the U.S., especially the gun control thing. From what I see, Americans didn't learn a fucking thing from Bowling for Columbine. |
Meridiu5
11.06.18 | Gun control doesn't stop school shootings. And pharmaceuticals & single motherhood cause school shootings. #inconvenientfacts |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.06.18 | I voted, forgot my voting poll was in a church and was already out doing errands by the time I decided to go vote - I was wearing a sweatshirt with baphomet on it. I'm so edgy, guys. |
Keyblade
11.06.18 | so vote for the party heavily lobbied by the pharmaceutical industry m/ |
twlichty
11.06.18 | Voted. Mostly rep. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.06.18 | I voted blue, baby. Still wouldn't define myself as a progressive per se, but I'm done with the Right right now. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
11.06.18 | i dunno about you sput boys but everywhere else i go online it seems voter hysteria levels are maxed the fuck out in the states, the massive political divide is truly at peak retardation and hypocrisy, journalism needs to be renamed sensationalism, and no one has any idea what the fuck they are screaming about. i truly hate everyone. Canada is only so much better tbh. hope you guys are using your brains and the vast resources at your finger tips this season. |
Prancer
11.06.18 | hey the other list was better what happened :( [2] |
joshb9864
11.06.18 | Voted completely Red, Stacey Abrams needs to be nowhere near the Governors office, she wants to make Georgia into a Socialist haven. It always starts with disarming the citizens and that’s what she aims to do. |
Thibs
11.06.18 | massive political divide is truly at peak retardation [2] |
zaruyache
11.06.18 | if you think dems actually can take your guns away you're a total dingus. |
JohnnyoftheWell
11.06.18 | "It always starts with disarming the citizens and that’s what she aims to do"
Can you please summarise the benefits of having an armed populace? |
FourthReich
11.06.18 | Worked in a gun store now for 4 years ama |
zaruyache
11.06.18 | a properly armed, properly educated populace would be able to defend itself both from oppressive government forces and from any attempts to rob workers of their rights. Or that's why communists are pro-gun, at least. |
Thibs
11.06.18 | Sensible regulation. It would make no sense to take everyone's guns. It's like thinking affordable healthcare is socialism..stupid |
JohnnyoftheWell
11.06.18 | "Worked in a gun store now for 4 years ama"
Sure, do you tend to sell to core crowd or to a wide range? Like, is it more typical for folks to own a gun or not to? Am from the UK and ngl your gun laws disturb the hell out of me, but I'm all ears |
Coast
11.06.18 | US 2nd amendment and gun culture makes it complex and unique and perhaps impenetrable to change. After a decade of mass shootings Australia brought in tighter gun control and we haven’t had a massacre since 1996. It doesn’t mean there won’t be another in the future but bringing in further restrictions on who gets access and to the type available at least increases the probability of reducing the frequency and severity of shootings. |
FourthReich
11.06.18 | Awesome question those who have never bought guns typically won't up and buy a firearm. However during times of intense regulation like we saw with ar 15s my sales tripled and i had many people whom had never touched a gun suddenly intrested. Same with the various ammo regulations suddenly sales go up and im explaining to an 80 year old the difference between 22 long and short |
FourthReich
11.06.18 | "impenetrable to change"
I have a stack on the newest regulations on my desk that need to be read and signed by dec 31. Wanna help me read them? |
beefshoes
11.06.18 | I am a communist and pro-gun. Most communists and leftists that I know are too (at least outside of the U.S.), with the exception of some of the scholarly types that can't ditch the notion of pacifism. How else would a workers' state ever be possible, given the fact that any attempt at socialism (statist or anarchist), would be completely surrounded by enemies? |
FourthReich
11.06.18 | Haha yup good point many people would be shocked how many lib norcal pot farmers are in every day looking at guns. We get a great mix of political backgrounds in the store |
neekafat
11.06.18 | Vote blue fuckerz |
PistolPete
11.06.18 | I CANT VOTE.
IM CANADIAN.
GAWD.... |
JWT155
11.06.18 | Blue Wave lol |
Meridiu5
11.06.18 | Can you please summarise the benefits of having an armed populace?
Were the only country in the world with a 1st amendment |
SowingSeason
11.06.18 | What pots said |
joshb9864
11.06.18 | what Meridiu5 said |
Asdfp277
11.06.18 | you're fully aware this site is 92% trump supporters right |
Asdfp277
11.06.18 | what Asdfp277 said |
budgie
11.06.18 | "you're fully aware this site is 92% trump supporters right"
i'm starting to realize it
i was wondering why everyone on this site is so unhinged but yep i get it now |
AdolfChrist
11.06.18 | I dont think so, site has always seemed to be left leaning. |
beefshoes
11.06.18 | Meridiu5 is the ultimate fasicst troll. How is Bolsonaro working for you, dumbass? |
Asdfp277
11.06.18 | we need an armed populace to stage a revolt against the government, which is known to have only the most archaic, unadvanced military equipment and absolutely couldn't murder you using only like 1% of the weapons they have |
joshb9864
11.06.18 | I’m not unhinged at all, Trump promised economic gain and he delivered. Why would you wanna mess that up? |
Asdfp277
11.06.18 | you think the very population that voted for bolsonaro would stage an armed coup d'etat against him?
you think the people most likely to have access to weapons would be /against/ bolsonaro? |
beefshoes
11.06.18 | For, without question. They will carry out his police state for him just as Duterte's supports are in the Philippines |
Asdfp277
11.06.18 | he convinced the rich people that he will vanish the favelas, and promised the people at the favelas that he'll make them middle class via economic development
but the former will just see less of the latter in the media, and the latter will receive practically nothing |
AdolfChrist
11.06.18 | "Trump promised economic gain and he delivered."
Lol |
zaruyache
11.06.18 | trump's blowing up the budget and his trade wars made the dow drop like >1K in a week but okayyyy. stable genius said years ago that if the stock market goes down that much the president should be impeached, too. |
sixdegrees
11.06.18 | knew I forgot to do something fuck |
Asdfp277
11.06.18 | has the average person's quality of life improved at all tho, like do they go "ohhh the economic gain!! yeah!!!" |
budgie
11.06.18 | the fossil fuel magnates and all who have massive investments in fossil fuels or really any industry that suffers from environmental regulations, they are all going like "oohhhh the economic gain!!!" for sure |
Keyblade
11.06.18 | dw it's gonna trickle down any day now |
Trebor.
11.06.18 | "you're fully aware this site is 92% trump supporters right"
site has gone so downhill. Imagine actually be on the staff |
Meridiu5
11.06.18 | GOP wins the senate and Dems win the house.
This is actually really good for Trump because he can still approve federal judges while campaigning hard against Democrat obstructionism. This might be a best case GOP scenario
[trump's blowing up the budget and his trade wars made the dow drop like >1K in a week but okayyyy. stable genius said years ago that if the stock market goes down that much the president should be impeached, too.]
Medicare and Social Security are blowing the budget. Both are Democrat policies from the 1960's |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.06.18 | Most people here are pro Trump? I'm not even a progressive and I voted for Hillary because I'm not a baby. |
Keyblade
11.06.18 | yea let's focus on policies that actually benefit ppl and not the 900b military budget used to blow ppl up overseas |
AdolfChrist
11.06.18 | Trump supporters have to do some real doublethinking mental gymnastics to still support his ass at this point. He's facefucking them and all they can do is thank him and swallow his semen. |
GhostB1rd
11.06.18 | Muh bois boutta pick up 4 seats in the Senate. 55 seems nice.
Meanwhile, Ted motherfucking Cruz can barely carry Texas. Utter clown. |
Asdfp277
11.06.18 | imagine actually believing voting for trump would improve your quality of life |
Keyblade
11.06.18 | I thought u were a libertarian Ghost. u seem to be riding hard for the gop |
JWT155
11.06.18 | "Most people here are pro Trump? I'm not even a progressive and I voted for Hillary because I'm not a baby."
Okay.....
Hillary was a heavily flawed candidate. I didn't support either but calling someone who voted for Trump instead of Hillary a baby is pointless. |
Asdfp277
11.06.18 | "Hillary was a heavily flawed candidate."
Yes
"I didn't support either but calling someone who voted for Trump instead of Hillary a baby is pointless."
No |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.06.18 | @JW - She was heavily flawed, but she wasn't completely oblivious on how to act like a relatively normal human being in public (which is important when you're dealing with foreign leaders). She also seemed to have a bit of a grasp on policy while Trump would just repeat the same buzzwords over and over again. I mean there is a litany of things that I could go into that would be boring at this point because it's so obvious, but it's not pointless.
And I wasn't exactly wearing a Hillary Clinton shirt - I could stay up all night talking about her flaws, but the choice was obvious imo. |
joshb9864
11.06.18 | Trump has made good on most of his promises though, you can't deny that |
JWT155
11.06.18 | You're right, she wasn't oblivious, she was deemed in fact to be heavilly corupt and un-trustable by a large group of Americans for her actions as a politician for over a decade. I think demonizing people who voted for Trump does no good for anyone. If Democrats don't like him as a candidate, maybe instead of demonizing him they should offer better candidates and better ideas, because as of tonight this Blue Wave has been nothing and the Democratic policy of demonizing Republican voters and calling them racists, bigots, homophobes etc is clearly not working.
If the Democrats were sane they should have taken the Senate tonight. |
AdolfChrist
11.06.18 | To be fair, i wasnt sure she could be that much better than Trump, but after seeing him in action, im not sure how she could have been worse. Its possible though i guess. |
JWT155
11.06.18 | "I didn't support either but calling someone who voted for Trump instead of Hillary a baby is pointless."
No
How?
He's appointed Conservative judges, he's supported conservative policies, and despite all the crazy shit he's said he's enacted very little radical stuff if any. If anything having him in office shows how little power the President truly has. |
JWT155
11.06.18 | @Adolf - I'd argue the economy would not be as good, Obama definitely did a fair share to get the economy here but it's been able to expand the past few years knowing conservatives are in power and will not enforce more taxes/regulation. |
joshb9864
11.06.18 | jobs not mobs |
GhostB1rd
11.06.18 | @key - Yea, but big "L" Liberatarian candidates are, and always have been, pointless to vote for in elections. Push for liberatarian policies within a framework that can actually accomplish shit. |
Meridiu5
11.06.18 | SAD! |
GhostB1rd
11.06.18 | If it makes you feel better I live in a hard blue district in what is now pretty consistently a blue state so my vote didn't matter. |
Keyblade
11.06.18 | yea I thought it would be like that, makes sense cuz tbf the gop under all the social bullshit are pretty libertarian |
Asdfp277
11.06.18 | ur voting system sucks, :[ |
GhostB1rd
11.06.18 | If you ever wanna feel encouraged about the future of the GOP tho look at the social attitudes of 40-and-under Republicans. Many (most?) are pro-gay, pro-legalization, etc. It's the old fuckers that are the problem. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.06.18 | "I think demonizing people who voted for Trump does no good for anyone."
Yeah, I mean I get what you're saying. But he has just failed so many easy moral tests. Too many to name, but pretending not to know who David Duke is and immediately condemning him is just one example but there are hundreds of insane situations like that that just set such an awful precedent and are an embarrassment to our nation. Tweeting at foreign leaders and calling them names? Are you fucking kidding me? I know it sounds like hyperbole and people make fun of people for being 'triggered' or whatever, but it really does feel like the fucking Twilight Zone. And this is coming from someone who voted Republican in 2008.
Clinton was corrupt, yeah, but the Right also drastically exaggerated just how corrupt she was imo, and I dunno personally I would have much preferred an actual adult with experience as opposed to a fucking reality TV star who is crass and an obvious lack of understanding on basic issues.
The only thing Trump has going for him now is that the economy is doing well, but tbh I don't really think that's because of Trumps genius understanding of economics. There are many other things at play here. And 80% of Americans are still living paycheck to paycheck so it's not quite the paradise that many people are making it out to be.
"If Democrats don't like him as a candidate, maybe instead of demonizing him they should offer better candidates and better ideas"
Agree on the first part, but he deserves to be demonized. Sometimes the Left has lied about what he has said, and that infuriates me, but there is plenty there to criticize harshly and rightfully. |
GhostB1rd
11.06.18 | http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/10/61-of-young-republicans-favor-same-sex-marriage/
This was a few years ago but the number for under-30 Republicans is now over the 2/3 mark. Pretty positive change. |
JWT155
11.06.18 | I'll agree with you, demonize Trump and his words, but the Liberals have decided to tie his constituency and voters directly to him and have ran with that for two years now, routinelly calling anyone whom dares to side with him on any issue as an enabler, racist, bigot etc and I think that's cost the Democrats tonight. If they preached about a party of true inclusion and acceptance and grew their tent they would have easilly won in a landslide of epic puportions tonight. Instead their playbook has been linking everyone on the right to Trump and labeling them the same names they call Trump, and guess what, it's hard to win voters when you call them names. |
GhostB1rd
11.06.18 | http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/27/63-of-republican-millennials-favor-marijuana-legalization/
Another quickie if you wanna see the party's changing attitudes. |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | "the Liberals have decided to tie his constituency and voters directly to him and have ran with that for two years now, routinelly calling anyone whom dares to side with him on any issue as an enabler, racist, bigot etc and I think that's cost the Democrats tonight."
probably true. |
JWT155
11.07.18 | Probably? It's definitely true. Instead of treating Trump voters as nuetral parties, many of which who voted for Obama multiple time in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc they treated Trump supporters as fellow racists, bigots, etc and that cost them. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.07.18 | Yeah I can agree on not demonizing the people that voted for him, even though I just did that aha. Sometimes its hard because he's such a clown. I understand people have different reasons for voting for someone, but sometimes it just feels like "Hey don't call that person a fucking moron just because they voted for R rated Jar Jar Binks to run for political office, they just have a different opinion BRO." |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | It's always weird looking at Governorship maps cause they don't correlate with established trends at all. Vermont is red ffs haha. |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | I imagine a Repblican in Vermont is probably a hard Democrat in Texas. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.07.18 | I dunno, I go back and forth between "hey man, don't judge people on their political beliefs, people have different perspectives" and "lol jesus christ grow up and make slightly sensible decisions before you ruin things for everyone" |
joshb9864
11.07.18 | Most important issues for me are the preservation of the 1st and 2nd amendment, I vote with personal liberty in mind |
JWT155
11.07.18 | @Dark - I feel you man, I wish politics wasn't as polarizing as it is now, and honestly I think it's because we value politics too much as part of our social identity now. In the past subjects like religion and politics were considered off topic subjects. Neighbors didn't know where each other worshiped or who they voted for. Regardless of those differences people respected each other and heard each other out. Now, political identity has become a religion and identity to so many on both sides that people are unable to seperate someones political beliefs from that person or groups of people and it's negatively affecting the way we discuss politics and the way we communicate with each other. |
UncleTang
11.07.18 | I'm over the two party system atm. Just about anyone I speak to doesn't identify with either major party. Socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Love who you want, do what you want to do, I just don't want to pay for it or help subsidize in any way. It's also sickening how each party calls out the other party for expanding the national debt, but when in power they both expand spending. If I were to bounce a check I'd go to jail... |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | Yea unforch when it comes to cutting shit vested interests are much more powerful than the larger but less committed desire to reduce spending. |
JWT155
11.07.18 | Honestly, I think either party would be smart to embrace and full on push for weed legalization, I think it would give either party an edge in 2020. |
Asdfp277
11.07.18 | that's not how the national debt works babe |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | I can legit see Trump coming out in favor of full legalization if for no other reason than to piss off Sessions lol. |
Sinternet
11.07.18 | i voted for bernie |
UncleTang
11.07.18 | Ok take national debt out of it. Expanded federal spending or not balancing a budget. I acknowledge your point but the spending is the issue. |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | #BeanieLivesToFightAnotherDay |
platnum
11.07.18 | No one's trying to get rid of the 1st amendment
Although maybe Republicans are since donald trump likes to demonize the press he disagrees with and republicans like body slamming reporters |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | if anyone is for censorship these days its the left dude, its not even close. |
SitarHero
11.07.18 | "Medicare and Social Security are blowing the budget."
Lolwut? You've got to be trolling, right? I mean, do you even know how social security works? |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | Social Security works? |
platnum
11.07.18 | Calling someone a bigot for being a bigot isnt censorship
|
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | "how are we going to pay for all of this?? we need that money for the military industrial complex to literally shower with!" |
Kompys2000
11.07.18 | Calling someone a bigot for being a bigot isn't censorship [2] |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | "Calling someone a bigot for being a bigot isnt censorship"
ok?... |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | Google life expectancy at the start of social security and tell me those motherfuckers had the foresight to competently handle the system. |
JWT155
11.07.18 | "No one's trying to get rid of the 1st amendment "
No one is flat out saying repeal the 1st amendment, but people on the left have definitely been trying to legislate on hate speech that goes hand in hand with the first amendment, for instance it could be considered hate speech under new laws if you refuse to acknowledge a trans person as the sex they prefer instead of that they were born as. I think personally you should treat someone with respect but I think laws like that are very dangerous to compel someone to speak certain ways, that's not freedom, which most key with 1st amendment is the right to be radical and to be wrong. In general the 1st amendment is supposed to protect bigots, it's supposed to protect those with radical if not terrible ideas, hence why the NAACP has defended the KKK numerous times for their right to speak. |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | without ss the poverty rate for the elderly would be 40% as opposed to sub-10 with it |
platnum
11.07.18 | "for instance it could be considered hate speech under new laws if you refuse to acknowledge a trans person as the sex they prefer instead of that they were born as."
It's already a law in Canada and no one has gone to jail for misgendering someone, calm down your blowing this out of proportion. |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | >there's a law against misgendering someone
>you're blowing this out of proportion
pick one. |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | "without ss the poverty rate for the elderly would be 40% as opposed to sub-10 with it"
How is this calculated? Does it take into consideration incentives and how people approach savings given they know the system is there for them to fall back on right now? Does it measure how much they would've had if they'd taken the money they put in and invested privately versus what they get now? |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | it's not even a misgendering law |
platnum
11.07.18 | ">there's a law against misgendering someone
>you're blowing this out of proportion
pick one."
A law that protects people from harrassment at work sounds reasonable to me |
JWT155
11.07.18 | I think you midd the point. Sometimes laws and ideas are great in principle, but the ramifications and precedence it sets isn't worth it. Yes I agree people shouldn't be harrased in the work place, but is it the Government's job to officially legislate what people can and can't say? If given that power you can extrapolate it to radical ends, take no further look than a lot of countries around the world, including Singapore where you cannot say negative things about the Government. As a society you can believe it's terrible to harrass someone in the work place and also think it's not the Government's job to legislate what people can and can't say. |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | @Ghost check out the 2004 study Social Security and the Evolution of Elderly Poverty that documents how poverty drastically decreased since the introduction of SS. the 40% - 9% figure is if we removed it right now as it stands, but the effect is the same |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | the bill basically just adds trans ppl to the list of protected ppl who you'd get prosecuted for if u called for genocide/incited violence towards |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | "the 40% - 9% figure is if we removed it right now as it stands"
That's literally meaningless in net terms of how valuable is social security.
As for the reduction I'm skeptical it wouldn't have reduced naturally as it did worldwide over the same period.
See: https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/End-of-absolute-Poverty-in-rich-countries-2.png |
platnum
11.07.18 | Considering there's a correlation between hate speech and hate crimes, I think the KKK should be deplatformed at every turn.
And no I dont think that makes me anti 1st amendment for having that opinion. |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | I also don't like the fact that so many people have decided, bizarrely, that it's the state's job to care for your parents when they get old and that you shouldn't have to be involved. Asian families are substantially more advanced on this than the rest of us. |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty
If you want the full article. |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | "Considering there's a correlation between hate speech and hate crimes, I think the KKK should be deplatformed at every turn."
you dont see the problem with heading down that road, though? |
neekafat
11.07.18 | ""you're fully aware this site is 92% trump supporters right"
i'm starting to realize it
i was wondering why everyone on this site is so unhinged but yep i get it now"
yep |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | not even 50%, dudes. |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | "you dont see the problem with heading down that road, though?"
would u extend the same free speech to say, ISIS? |
Sinternet
11.07.18 | slippery slope fallacy: the thread |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | Sint I'ma push you down a slippery slope. |
neekafat
11.07.18 | [2] |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | @Ghost, I'll look into if there were any studies done comparing the rate directly after 1937 to the global rate, but from what I've seen it's widely agreed that SS was a major factor in the decrease in poverty for children and the elderly |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | one is a violent terrorist organization, the other is a bunch of backwoods bumfucks no one gives a shit about anymore. ISIS wage war on civilians, so i think theyve forfeited their right to freedom altogether.
btw, the slippery slope argument isnt inherently a logical fallacy. sometimes things do lead into other things, yeah?? |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | Slap ass does eventually turn into butt stuff. If you're lucky. |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | the whole ethos of the KKK is predicated on genocide and they have a long history of terrorism in the US but ok |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | free speech is not absolute after all |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | "babe i dont want you going over to your ex girlfriend's house to drink and spend the night, i dont think that's appropriate!"
"what, are you afraid im gonna cheat on you?? slippery slope fallacy!"
@key yeah. what are they up to these days though? what have they been up to for the last few decades? not much. theyre irrelevant. |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | "free speech is not absolute after all"
agreed, i just think we should be really careful about giving the government the power to tell us what we can and cannot say, that's all. |
SitarHero
11.07.18 | "That's literally meaningless in net terms of how valuable is social security."
Pray tell, what does that mean? |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | what happens if they become relevant again |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | "Man falls when steps he knew were there for him were removed from under his feet."
Pray tell you don't need me to explain this to you any further.
|
Jacquibim
11.07.18 | I think outlawing the advocacy of ethnic violence and genocide is a perfectly legitimate thing to do, regardless of how inconsequential the KKK presently are, but that's just me. |
SitarHero
11.07.18 | I really do, because you either have some sort of savant opinion that you have a hard time explaining, or you LITERALLY do not know what words mean or how to use them. |
schoonda
11.07.18 | Aussie politics is a shambles, but man US politics scares the shit out of me |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | I thought Djenters were supposed to be smart but I guess they too were derpin the whole time. |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | @key i think freedom of speech and freedom of expression stave off shifts towards fascism. Censoring those you disagree with isnt a good way to stave off fascism and genocide. |
SitarHero
11.07.18 | What a surprise, Ghostb1rd changes the subject again. |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | Dude, from one attorney to another, I'm genuinely not gonna explain to you what's already blatant on the page. I'm not your babysitter. |
SitarHero
11.07.18 | You're one helluva prevaricator. I'll give you that much. |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | lotta buzzwords there. ultimate irony would've been putting ableism after retardation though. |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | "I think outlawing the advocacy of ethnic violence and genocide is a perfectly legitimate thing to do, regardless of how inconsequential the KKK presently are, but that's just me."
my man |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | Why did i get involved in another one of these threads anyways, i never learn. |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | Yeah. Whose alt btw? |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | Jakween. |
Asdfp277
11.07.18 | did somebody say djent |
Asdfp277
11.07.18 | sorry, chronic derpin' syndrome* |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | ignore him, he's just every SJW ever. |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | No but in this instance the djenter turned out to be the derper. They were one the whole time. |
Sinternet
11.07.18 | 'ignore him, he's just every SJW ever.'
are you that retarded to fall for the worst bait in the history of the site |
Asdfp277
11.07.18 | that's not the worst bait in the history of this site |
Sinternet
11.07.18 | hmm i get ya there is some strong competition |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | @Sin: sometimes it's hard to tell with SJW's nowadays. |
Cimnele
11.07.18 | "site has always seemed to be left leaning"
laughing |
Sinternet
11.07.18 | '@Sin: sometimes it's hard to tell with SJW's nowadays.'
gtfo with that shit this rhetoric is so dumb. It is obviously a troll to anyone with more iq points than fingers. The whole "oh well even if it was a troll *people i don't like* are that dumb anyway hurr durr poe's law etc." is such a weak defence for being a piece of shit. bonus points if i bet you whine about tribalism in politics and people in echo chambers |
Asdfp277
11.07.18 | getting bonus points on sputnikmusic |
Cryptkeeper
11.07.18 | '@Sin: sometimes it's hard to tell with SJW's nowadays.'
Actually it's not, you just have the comprehensive reading abilities of a five year-old |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | well fine, i guess it isn't hard to tell, i guess there's never been anyone who's legitimately that stupid. |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | and yes i do "whine" about tribalism and echo chambers, it's not easy getting dogpiled by a bunch of idiots who seek to one-up each other in their own circle jerks. |
EclipseInYourEyes
11.07.18 | "vote or i swear to god i'm coming to your house and punching you in the throat and i'm a shrimpy dude so you know it's gonna be real awkward for everyone involved when it happens so just fkin vote so i don't have to OK"
^this. I am also a little surprised that there is no world war III going on inside of this thread. |
EclipseInYourEyes
11.07.18 | btw: since I am from oversea and do not get that close to what is happening inside of the US, can someone please give me a shortlist of things why they voted for Trump or would still vote for him?
I only get in touch with his foreign policies which are...not that cooperative to say the least. |
Cryptkeeper
11.07.18 | 'and yes i do "whine" about tribalism and echo chambers, it's not easy getting dogpiled by a bunch of idiots who seek to one-up each other in their own circle jerks.'
You poor soul, did you ask papa Shapiro for a kiss to make you feel better? |
Asdfp277
11.07.18 | - more jobs
- less national debt (and whatever the population think that means)
- more traditionalism
- he tells the truth, HE TELLS THE TRUTH |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.07.18 | Trump tells the truth? Lmfao |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | -cnn.com |
Snake.
11.07.18 | hey guys did you know beto was in a band with the guy from tmv |
beefshoes
11.07.18 | American politics are so fucking strange. It's like policy and impact on human life mean absolutely fucking nothing, but hey, our new saviour was in a band, he looks like a man I'd have a beer with, and he curses like my wife does when I forget to put the toilet seat back down! |
Asdfp277
11.07.18 | um guys
did u kno
that uhm
did you 🅱️OTE? |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | "American politics are so fucking strange"
the illusion of freedom is their religion |
dfevil085
11.07.18 | I don't understand how Ohio can re-elect Sherrod Brown but vote for such a shitty governor |
Darius the Great
11.07.18 | yall got rid of that 2 party system yet? |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | ^exactly |
Itwasthatwas
11.07.18 | The whole point of freedom of speech is that it’s absolute. Hitchens did a good talk on it before he died.
If we didn’t have absolute freedom of speech, we could have never ended slavery, pursued the civil rights movement, championed LGBT rights, etc. It’s total hubris to assume we finally know enough to draw bounds on speech in the here and now. |
Itwasthatwas
11.07.18 | Double post |
dfevil085
11.07.18 | "The whole point of freedom of speech is that it’s absolute. Hitchens did a good talk on it before he died."
But free speech isn't absolute. Libel laws exist for this very reason. Nor hate speech protected either. if we didn't protect hate speech as a valid opinion, racism, homophobia, etc. wouldn't be a problem here today. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | define hate speech
go fuck yourself
am i criminal |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | libel is another issue, essentially lying such that it literally devalues some thing |
Itwasthatwas
11.07.18 | "Hate" speech, whatever that is, actually has always been protected under the first amendment. As far as I can see there's no difference between a hate speech law and a blasphemy law.
All stuff you've all heard before, but since I referenced it, I found the link to the Hitchens video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z2uzEM0ugY&frags=pl%2Cwn |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.07.18 | guitarded chuck is a criminal, yes |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | technically not anymore cause weeds legal |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | correction - actually i do have some LSD on hand
to the gulag |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.07.18 | Into the chambers with you |
DominionMM1
11.07.18 | "if we didn't protect hate speech as a valid opinion, racism, homophobia, etc. wouldn't be a problem here today."
first of all, are racism, homophobia, etc really massive problems today? second, how would these problems go away if "hate speech" wasn't protected? And third, what defines hate speech and who sets those definitions? |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | who watches the watchmen? quis custodiet ipsos custodes? #getwokeits2018 #gofuckyourself #sentfromthegulag |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | "first of all, are racism, homophobia, etc really massive problems today?"
didn't a dozen Jewish ppl get mowed down at their place of worship just the other week? c'mon dawg |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | perspective is everything, less of a problem now than at any point in history
dawg |
DominionMM1
11.07.18 | oh i hear you but are things generally worse for minority groups in the U.S. than they were say 50 or 60 years ago? |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.07.18 | I mean I've personally experienced a ton of anti-Semetism, I'm sure people of other communities have experienced the same. So yes, just because it's better than it was decades before it's not like bigotry has evaporated lol
But at the same time, I'm pretty pro first amendment. For instance, I wouldn't want to jail a Holocaust denier - I think those laws in Europe are counter productive. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | also explain to me how "hate speech" laws would have prevented that
actually dont i do not want to get sucked into another IQ annihilating mxtabs.net political debate |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | it was also less of a problem than at any point in history in the 1960's, what a dumb thing to say |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | im sorry if you were attempting to make a point with this post you failed but try again |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | "if we didn't protect hate speech as a valid opinion, racism, homophobia, etc. wouldn't be a problem here today."
First of all, its really not all that protected. You come out with that stuff on any big social media platform and youre likely to be banned. Secondly, i think youre totally wrong. I think sweeping it under the rug is a terrible idea and will just cause those things to fester underneath until they explode. |
CygnusX1
11.07.18 | Political discussion is so cool, you can bitch and complain 24/7 and do nothing worthwhile in life and still look like you know everything |
JoeTex
11.07.18 | need more/better gun control |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | ^the only person actually bitching and complaining
next |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | Feeling superior for staying out of political discussions certainly doesnt make you look cool or like you know anything. |
Meridiu5
11.07.18 | No one's trying to get rid of the 1st amendment
The UK just got rid of theirs. The US will be next if armchair philsopher leftists get their way |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | first amendment is getting overridden by the fact a small portion of media companies now direct the flow of almost all information and since they are technically private companies as it stands now they have the right to censor
its a new paradigm that needs new laws to protect the rights of citizens as per the 1st amendment in my humble canadian opinion |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | "im sorry if you were attempting to make a point with this post you failed but try again"
I'm sure u got it the first time, but just in case, in the Jim crow era, u could have made the same asinine point that racism was less of a problem than at any point in history |
EclipseInYourEyes
11.07.18 | Is every damn election in the US about the basic constitutional stuff like amendments and freedom of speech? if so, I don't think this will lead to something productive like social policies or whatever.
anyway, since I am from outside of the US, I don't like Trump for his international ego trip. But then again, he works pretty hard to make the USA an unreliable partner, so that the EU starts cooperating more with Canada and Japan. And this is good, because I hate that on international level everything revolves around the USA as the so called "leading world power". |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | progress isnt a straight line mate but if youre implying we are backtracking at all let alone to the point where your comparison of modern times to the crow era is useful then i dont know what to tell you other than good news my friend it aint that bad |
MO
11.07.18 | a dem controlled house and repub senate/presidency will just result in political gridlock for 2 years as the dems ramp up these investigations into the most pointless shit. all useful legislation will get shot down and nothing will be accomplished. |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | @crypt: lmfao if you say so |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | yep
america just became completely unproductive legislatively speaking |
zakalwe
11.07.18 | Western society has gone down the shitter.
Out go values and tradition in comes ‘progressive’ attitudes towards the 3-5% which in turn has changed laws, culture and ironically identity to a point where we are all one global mulch of emotional fannies.
I hate it. |
JWT155
11.07.18 | I live only a couple miles away from the Synagogue that was attacked a little over a week ago, I've had co-workers who worship there and friends who live blocks away.
The first amendment is specifically there so people can be vulgar, offensive, and even inflammatory. Because if we ban hate speech, what exactly is that? Telling someone their God is a lie? For many Islamic people that would be worthy of being killed. What about if Republicans want to prosecute those who politically associate themselves as socialists and say their ideas are hate speech due to the historical context of scoialism in the 20th century, it's destruction, etc?
I don't think people realize that once you start legislating "hate speech" it can be and will be manipulated from both sides and our country will be much worse off. |
JoeTex
11.07.18 | damn. Acosta just owned trump |
JWT155
11.07.18 | I said it earlier and I'll say it again, I think we value politics too much as part of our social identity now. In the past subjects like religion and politics were considered off topic subjects. Neighbors didn't know where each other worshiped or who they voted for. Regardless of those differences people respected each other and heard each other out. Now, political identity has become a religion and identity to so many on both sides that people are unable to seperate someones political beliefs from that person or groups of people and it's negatively affecting the way we discuss politics and the way we communicate with each other. |
JWT155
11.07.18 | Jim Acosta loves some Jim Acosta |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | @chuck nobody said anything about backtracking, just that it's still a problem. the question I responded to was literally "is it still that big of a problem?" and not "are we regressing?"
the jim crow comparison was to illustrate that pointing out that it's less of a problem than at any point in history is redundant and counterproductive. u could make that point at any point in history and be technically correct, it doesn't mean that it's not a problem that should still be tackled |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | but again the questions are: what is hate speech, what would the laws be, in what ways would those laws have stopped the synagogue shooting example you gave, who watches the watchmen, quis custodiet ipsos custodes |
SweeneyTodd
11.07.18 | this thread made my dick smaller |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | didnt think that was possible |
JWT155
11.07.18 | More importantly, how can someone say despise the Republican party, Donald Trump, yet give them the authority to legislate hate speech if they're in power? What if Donald Trump labels a large swath of Progressives and their words as hate speech, like those who have confronted politicians in restaurants, airports and the people protesting Kavanaugh on Capital Hill?
People need to realize that when you give the Government power you have to critically think of what your opponents in our Government would do with that power. I don't think Democrats would want Republicans legislating and determinging what hate speech is just likewise R's wouldn't wnat the D's regulating that as well. That directly illustrates how important it is to keep the Government out of these issues. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | you cant expect people who actually call for a curtailing of free speech to be anything but EXTREMELY short sighted comrade jwt
you nailed it though yes |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | "oh i hear you but are things generally worse for minority groups in the U.S. than they were say 50 or 60 years ago?"
obviously not, but is "ehh better than it was in the 1960's" the bar u want to be setting?
is ppl getting shot up in places of worship an acceptable state of affairs as long as it's better than it ever was in history? I honestly don't understand why u guys are even making this point |
sonictheplumber
11.07.18 | Gridlock rules |
JWT155
11.07.18 | Agreed, people tend to look at legislating new laws as the great things their side can do with it, when inreality everyone should be critically thinking about how their enemies could use and distort what you would consider good policy. Regulating hate speech is a terrible idea for everyone and it is guaranteed to be pushed further past the bounderies either side will commit to reason. |
Snake.
11.07.18 | don't touch muh freeze peach |
sonictheplumber
11.07.18 | Can rest easy knowing there's a non-functioning govt the next 2 years instead of complete republican rule |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | because progress takes time key
utopian authoritative draconian laws dont work and i can waste more hours of my life explaining that to you and the sputnikmusic.com crowd again but id rather not |
sonictheplumber
11.07.18 | That being said democrats are pussies and they play way too nice so the more neoliberal camp will be backing republicans privately while maintaining on TV interviews that they are resistance |
zakalwe
11.07.18 | Legislate to shut people down, oppress thought and criminalise opinion until you’re nothing but a malleable piece of state owned property. There to be told what to do, pay tax, be powerless to have voice.
Has the majorities wants and wishes ever been addressed by a government anywhere, ever? |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | I'm not part of the hate speech convo, just responding specifically to that one general question |
JWT155
11.07.18 | "is ppl getting shot up in places of worship an acceptable state of affairs as long as it's better than it ever was in history? I honestly don't understand why u guys are even making this point"
It's the same principal we have with our judicial branch and criminal courts, we as a country would rather let some of the guilty walk free then condemn the innocent. Hate speech laws will by default go too far and criminalize people who are not producing hate speech, it will politicize what people say, and more importantly I think it would only cause more people to become radicalized like the Synagogue shooter.
How does a teen or young person become motivated even more to do something, it's when an authority figure tells them they can't do it. Telling people who are radical that they can't use hate speech won't all of a sudden wake them up and let them see the light, it will only further encourage them to go down a very dark rabbit hole.
Plus purely on principal, don't you want people to be open and honest about their fucked up beliefs? I'd rather know the dude who owns the store down the street hates Jews so I can not shop there and spend my money there then have him quitely have his dark opinons fester while I give him money. Bad thoughts should be brought out to be loud and clear, so people can know what people think and so people can oppose those they disagree with.
Look at Germany, it's considered hate speech for people to say positive things about Hitler and the nazis. I agree with the late Christopher Hitchens that people should be able to say whatever pro Nazi stuff they want, that gives us as a society a chance to constantly look back to history, remember why we hate the nazis and to repute those who spew such terrible things. Better to have evil in the open and opposed then festering in the dark, bottled up and then unleashed when it can't be contained any further. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | eh key you were praising jac's comment calling exactly for curtailing free speech
jac is a naive member of the new age of british NPCism, youre smarter than that |
zakalwe
11.07.18 | Is that a Brit thing? |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | yeah dude
generalization but you cant see where your countries been heading on the freedom front recently |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | he's not even British smh |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | oh |
Cimnele
11.07.18 | npcism oh my lord
whereas dudes arguing for perpetual shit governance are wide-eyed and alert player characters with real shiny armour |
zakalwe
11.07.18 | Totally. The countries absolutely fucked, the majority of the people are still alright though and take the piss out of it all. It’s impossible to take the government or any politician seriously as they are so ridiculously, unbelievably, frighteningly incompetent.
|
RikRoach7
11.07.18 | "Look at Germany, it's considered hate speech for people to say positive things about Hitler and the nazis. I agree with the late Christopher Hitchens that people should be able to say whatever pro Nazi stuff they want, that gives us as a society a chance to constantly look back to history, remember why we hate the nazis and to repute those who spew such terrible things. Better to have evil in the open and opposed then festering in the dark, bottled up and then unleashed when it can't be contained any further."
If you think that the Nazi past in Germany is "bottled up" or some weird stuff like that is bullshit. Pupils there are confronted with historical stuff for years on end in school, including visits at former concentration camp etc, etc. That is also one of the reasons why the German far-right has not had any notable success, especially when compared to other countries in the west.
(Wanted to add just that because I am knowledgable in that area, and now I'm out again bye.) |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | welcome to the conversation user cimnele if you have anything of actual substance to contribute we are all ears! |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | fair enough z, i have faith in the motherland stay strong |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | fuckin wild to think that technically the english monarch is the canadian head of state
im now derailing the convo just interesting to think about |
Snake.
11.07.18 | dammit what am I gonna do for discourse for the rest of today |
platnum
11.07.18 | The amount of mental gymnastics people do to defend hate speech and nazis is baffling. |
Meridiu5
11.07.18 | Pinochet did nothing wrong |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | "The amount of mental gymnastics people do to defend hate speech and nazis is baffling."
this post was hate speech change my mind |
guitarded_chuck
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AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Who gets to define "hate speech" though? Furthermore, Nazi has become a bit of a pejorative for anyone on the Right these days. |
platnum
11.07.18 | Steven crowder reference
WHY am I not surprised |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | who |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Steven Crowder, the guy who started the "Change My Mind" meme.
He's honestly a great commentator. |
platnum
11.07.18 | Agentdingbat |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | hate speech |
platnum
11.07.18 | Go report it to the mods like you always do
Lol |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | "Go report it to the mods like you always do
Lol"
this post was hate speech change my mind |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | spew some more racism so i can actually get you banned again yeah |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | the irony that its the ones crying hate speech that are actually the most bigoted people these days generally |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edOV8XDMGJs&feature=youtu.be |
platnum
11.07.18 | Why are you like this
Who hurt you |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | a cis gendered white male |
Snake.
11.07.18 | “He's honestly a great commentator.”
LOL |
JWT155
11.07.18 | I tend to lean on the right and Crowder is far from a great thinker, he can be entertaining but he truly does bait college students, he reiterates broad talking points, and he's in general more about scoring points against leftists than having an honest discussion. He also very much throws his weight around, intimidates people by shoving the mic in their face and leaning into them, and then plays the high ground like he's being civil when people lose their shit on him. He's also a C level comedian at best. |
platnum
11.07.18 | "a cis gendered white male"
Same except he was part black |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | @Snake: At least as far as entertainment goes. He may not be a Thomas Sowell tier intellectual (someone that you'd likely refer to as "uncle tom" for his positions) but he's pretty entertaining. |
Darius the Great
11.07.18 | ohh THAT steven crowder ok that's where i recognize his name from |
botb
11.07.18 | This thread is fucking rough |
Meridiu5
11.07.18 | Jim Acosta came across as a petty sore loser |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | Crowder's a fuckin moron and a grade A cunt. |
Darius the Great
11.07.18 | what'd he do lol |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | Being a little bitch about a guy (probably a good15 to 20 years older than Crowder) swinging at Crowder after Crowder pushed him to the ground. Then tried to sue him for assault for swinging at him. That's one reason. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | find actual things to be hateful about jesus christ
or is he a cis gendered white male, in that case |
Jacquibim
11.07.18 | I got called an NPC for saying advocacy of genocide probably shouldn't be legal. Hmmmm. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | is that all you said or are you being a dishonest little douchebag hmmmmm |
Jacquibim
11.07.18 | No quite literally said "I think outlawing the advocacy of ethnic violence and genocide is a perfectly legitimate thing to do, regardless of how inconsequential the KKK presently are" but I'm sure there are caveats to that which a naive little British NPC couldn't possibly pick up on |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | that’s right |
DominionMM1
11.07.18 | “obviously not, but is "ehh better than it was in the 1960's" the bar u want to be setting?“
no. i think we’ve seen progress though and that’s what we should continually be aiming for. i certainly don’t think government legislated speech laws would help in that regard either. i guess i should’ve phrased my question more like “is racism, homophobia, etc such a problem that we need legislation to dictate what we can or can’t say?” |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | ah, i gotcha then
idk i'm not about to tell ppl from another country what their laws should be so i'll let yall discuss that |
zakalwe
11.07.18 | “I got called an NPC for saying advocacy of genocide probably shouldn't be legal.“
lol |
JWT155
11.07.18 | "Jim Acosta came across as a petty sore loser"
For sure. |
EnyaFangirl
11.07.18 | friends, on this blessed day, let us:
-crack open an ice cold diet mr pibb
-ash up those mids in this mostly intact kong natural i found on the sidewalk on the way home from airsoft
-bump New Patek till my subwoofer falls apart and the outlet bursts into flames
-fix this muhfuckin deficit, i have a date tonight and i don't want her to see it |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Knowing how some people operate, "advocating ethnic violence" can be interpreted to mean "saying things we don't like about demographic trends." An 89 year old got jailed for being wrong about history in Germany LOL. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | pls agent these englightened beings know everything |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Also, "incel" has been bastardized to mean "anyone who mocks radical feminists" so yeah. |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Yeah I know I won't change the "woke" crowds mind I'm just speaking my own mind |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | iNCEl piT
bitch if you only knew how pretty i am and how proposterous that label is |
Darius the Great
11.07.18 | so can someone explain the whole calling someone an "NPC" thing |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | throwing around the word incel without even contributing anything to a conversation is hate speech change my mind |
platnum
11.07.18 | "In what realm of American Politics, let alone being asked from supposedly a neutral news organazation, is that an acceptable hypothetical question to ask the President? Imagine if Fox News asked Obama that. Trump responded accordingly, Acosta wasn't trying to ask a genuine question to get an answer on policy or ideology, he flat out was trying to slam Trump and put forth his own narrative. To ask any President that question is disrespectful, Republican or Democrat.
And speaking of this hate speech non sense how would that not be hate speech to some people, flat out insinuating that someone may go to hell."
Simple, that isnt hate speech |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | Darius- sucking the narratives dick without a critical thought |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | “In what realm of American Politics, let alone being asked from supposedly a neutral news organazation, is that an acceptable hypothetical question to ask the President? Imagine if Fox News asked Obama that. Trump responded accordingly, Acosta wasn't trying to ask a genuine question to get an answer on policy or ideology, he flat out was trying to slam Trump and put forth his own narrative. To ask any President that question is disrespectful, Republican or Democrat.
And speaking of this hate speech non sense how would that not be hate speech to some people, flat out insinuating that someone may go to hell.
Simple, that isnt hate speech”
this post is hate speech change my mind |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | daily reminder user platinum is just fresh off a ban for being racist |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | The NPC meme is making fun of people who are obvious ideologues Darius |
EnyaFangirl
11.07.18 | when it comes to the works of hideo kojima, i suck the narrative's dick without a critical thought. i'm talkin till the shaft turns purple |
Darius the Great
11.07.18 | Never thought a term such as that would've crept into modern political culture but alright |
Darius the Great
11.07.18 | "when it comes to the works of hideo kojima, i suck the narrative's dick without a critical thought. i'm talkin till the shaft turns purple"
fucking lmao |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Well it's triggering the people who finally stole SJW from us so its gotta be useful. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | enya elope when |
platnum
11.07.18 | Npc is a meme created by incels for incels
Seriously, who has the time to lurk on youtube 24/7 with their npc accounts |
JWT155
11.07.18 | "Was genuinely surprised that the userbase (from this sample size) has become so right leaning, but tbh nameless/faceless Internet boards catered to young males is always bound to turn into an incel pit sooner or later. (Yes I am being intentionally salacious but I see how you people talk about women on this site so it's a half-way logical assumption)"
I mean I've clearly come accross as right in my posts for a decade and I don't think I've ever insulted women or even remotelly shown to be empathetic to people who claim to be incel's, I think to make the broad comparrison is highly disengenious, maybe some people are honestly conservative. |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | "For sure, people are completely ignoring what he even asked Trump today, he asked the following:
"Mr. President.. are you worried you might be sent to hell when you die?""
what? pretty sure he didn't? where did u get that from
here's the full press conference, acosta comes in at 27:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5AbQtHWAk |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Or maybe we are just waking up from the mob. #WalkAway |
Itwasthatwas
11.07.18 | One of the issues I have with Jac's statement is that the idea of violence has been so trivialized. I'm in a major metro area and live near the university. I routinely hear things like "hate speech is literally violence", advocating for immigration restriction is "literally advocating genocide", etc. etc. Somehow I'm not entirely comfortable letting these types of people decide whether or not my speech crosses the line.
My family is from a legitimately wartorn part of the world, so at first I just found the lack of perspective amongst upper middle class liberals entertaining. When I consider the idea that policy might be based on these types of hysterics, I find it less funny. |
platnum
11.07.18 | The mob? You mean peaceful protesters?
Could it be that trumpers are anti free speech? |
JWT155
11.07.18 | Jim Acosta didn't say what I wrote so I take that back. |
EnyaFangirl
11.07.18 | i support the mob. knuck if you buck feat. lil scrappy is an undeniably timeless tune |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | 29 years since ive seen a vagina (when I came out of one) |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | How exactly are Antifa and all the "screaming at the sky" types peaceful? I'm not even a Trumper, I'm borderline anarchist at this point. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | I’m canadian you closed minded fuck now back to your sheltered life adults are talking here |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | @Enya: LOLLLL golden |
JAV
11.07.18 | Trump jerks off to putin and Ivanka every night #facts |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | I don't believe the Russian bot nonsense. It's been a nothingburger since the start. |
platnum
11.07.18 | "How exactly are Antifa and all the "screaming at the sky" types peaceful?"
Not every single protest has antifa in it wtf? And why blame all Democrats for what antifa does?
|
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Maybe people are tired of getting pushed around by the far left's identity politics so they're running right wingers to counter it. not that i agree with enemy of my enemy is my friend but still. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | “Idk what that’s supposed to mean. I mean there is irrefutable evidence that Russia used social media to influence not only the 2016 election, but the French election, etc. like this is common knowledge even on the right lol”
my apologies im truly trying to give your post some credence but all i see here is: incel |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Not ALL Democrats, just the ones who excuse it and advocate more of it i.e Maxine Waters. the rest are complicit enough. |
JAV
11.07.18 | "I don't believe the Russian bot nonsense. It's been a nothingburger since the start."
Yet Mueller hasn't stopped his investigation has he...
Perhaps it's all the indictments he keeps getting, crazy how that works.
He's working his way to the top, be patient. |
platnum
11.07.18 | "Maybe people are tired of getting pushed around by the far left's identity politics so they're running right wingers to counter it. "
So they get into politics to get back at the left? That's embarrassing |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Not wrong but at the same time plat, they dug their own grave. It's not my fault that people are laughing at it. |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | I believe it has more to do with Gamergate and the rise of the anti-SJW movement. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | oh poor baby deleting my posts now, can dish but can’t take it, fucking pathetic |
EnyaFangirl
11.07.18 | They targeted gamers.
Gamers. |
zakalwe
11.07.18 | “lack of perspective amongst upper middle class liberals”
These are the ‘elite’ who have changed everything and cocooned themselves off from the realities of what their change has wrought. They’re the biggest hippocarates of the lot and yet they have flooded education, mainstream media, and popular culture bringing about an agenda which constantly rams their bullshit down our throats.
I’ve said it from the start and was called ‘old’ ‘reactionary’ and what have you but I’ve seen it happen over 20 odd years and that in itself is an extension of what was started in the 60s and 70s by my parents generation.
I don’t care what you believe in but ‘actually’ believe it from your core don’t be a fucking sheep.
|
EnyaFangirl
11.07.18 | Enough is enough UbiSoft. We’ve sat through your multicultural lectures and your preachy games aimed at degenerates and miscegenators. We’ve tolerated it in the name of gameplay design and innovation. But no more! Far Cry 5 is an insult to your fanbase, the Americans who make up the majority of your customers, and it’s time you woke up to that fact. Change this, or cancel it.
Us Gamers have had to endure a lot of crap over the last few years. The targeted harassment by the mainstream press through Gamergate, the terrible launch and outright lies of highly anticpated video games, the outright censorship of art through “localization” policies, the continued rejection of romantic partners when they find out our hobby, the appropriation of our culture by so-called “gamers” on twitter. NO MORE!
It’s time to draw a line in the sand. We, the American gamers that make up the majority of your userbase, demand to you cancel this game, or alter it to be less offensive to your main player base. In these times, you must understand that there might be some violent repurcussions if you intend to follow through with your pointless criticism. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | What about the movement of calling everyone you disagree with an incel
Please explain to me how this is useful and not anything but pure hate and prejudice
Oh righteous one |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | chuck my dude you're sounding really bothered by this. not even i care that much. |
platnum
11.07.18 | If trump tries to criminalize protesting I just hope the "defend free speech" crowd are there to defend our actual rights instead of "get rekt mob" |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | I’m tired of self righteous left wingers pretending they are more moral yet are the first to start slinging prejudicial slurs the moment they enter a conversation
absolutely fucking disgusting let alone ironic |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | i know I'll be there defending actual peaceful protests that don't cause violence for one. i defended lebron when laura ingraham went off on him. yeah i think hes a bit off his rocker but he should not shut up and dribble lmfao |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | I sAId SoRry BrO |
platnum
11.07.18 | "identity politics charade. can't we get back to the issues"
I'd love to but everyone and their grandma thinks the lives of lgbt people or what they do with THEIR bodies is some kind of political debate, just give people rights/protections and let's move on. |
zakalwe
11.07.18 | chuck is a good lad |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | who’s the snowflake the one who was having a civil polite conversation here all day with people whether or not I agreed with them or the self righteous prick who dropped in on the convo like bird shit falling from the sky Grouping people together and labeling them involuntary celebates
sigh the irony never ends |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | @platnum: ideally, we'd get the state out of the way and let people decide on their own. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | got it bro
learn to debate reasonably thanks, be a rare reasonable representative of your side |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | @chuck: He's pretty reasonable even if I might not come to the same conclusions, so eh. |
JAV
11.07.18 | Your side.
There's the problem with modern politics in two words. |
neekafat
11.07.18 | "everyone and their grandma thinks the lives of lgbt people or what they do with THEIR bodies is some kind of political debate, just give people rights/protections and let's move on"
literally this |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | he turned his tone to being more reasonable after he got absolutely shat on for regurgitating the incel meme yeah
@jav agreed |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | Damn, being called an incel really got to chuck. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | the smug pretentious attitude really got to chuck |
platnum
11.07.18 | Incel online forums need to be taken offline tbh
That's enough mass shootings from their group/sick ideologies |
wham49
11.07.18 | well Walker finally conceded this afternoon in Wisconsin, |
zakalwe
11.07.18 | I had to google it.
‘Incels (a portmanteau of involuntary celibates) are members of an online subculture who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one’
Ah. You mean useless cunts. They’ve always been around, I was one from about 95-98 |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | I'd say authorities should probably take a closer look at incel forums instead of taking them down, plat. |
platnum
11.07.18 | @Agent Fair enough, but its undoubtedly a problem that should be looking into so we can agree on that at least |
SweeneyTodd
11.07.18 | I'd love it if people were people again and we'd all just get along, we share this planet and we only have this planet. It gets me down sometimes, i'd like to think we're more than politics.
had a rough day, wanted to say something but feel I'll regret it later |
zakalwe
11.07.18 | We are all so very different though |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | exactly, there’s not two teams, there’s not fifty teams, there’s one team, humanity, so let’s stop grouping people together and buying into the narrative that some group of others is inherently evil or immoral and feel justified in hurling insults that fan the flames of discontent |
SweeneyTodd
11.07.18 | "exactly, there’s not two teams, there’s not fifty teams, there’s one team, humanity, so let’s stop grouping people together and buying into the narrative that some group of others is inherently evil or immoral and feel justified in hurling insults that fan the flames of discontent"
exactly, the only way we'll progress as a society is if we work together. I sound like a tree-hugger right now but recent events have shown me this battle of left and right is going to lead us into nothing good |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | good album by refused btw |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | @plat: yeah, I'd say authorities should look into content that suggests they intend to commit violence. Not someone saying "13% of the population commits 53% of the murders," as short-sighted as that perspective may be. |
guitarded_chuck
11.07.18 | ye sweeney good vibes |
Friday13th
11.07.18 | Great night. Congrats Dems for gaining control of 1/2 of 1/3 of the federal government. My favorite race: Beto O'Rourke flushed a whopping $70 million down the toilet and prematurely vowed he wouldn't run in 2020. LOL |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | I'm just pissed that abuser Jared Schutz aka Jared Polis won governor in my state :/ |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Harris is the least insufferable of the three, but that's like saying Creed's the least insufferable of the tri-force of suckage in post-grunge. |
Meridiu5
11.07.18 | Beto said the F word live on national TV. LOL |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | @Meridiu: Pretty sure Lindsey Graham has been swearing quite a bit lately too. Also, does anyone remember "grab them by the p****"? |
Meridiu5
11.07.18 | That was on MTV. Nice try though |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | I'm just saying, swearing isn't anything new here. Lmao |
DamnVanne
11.07.18 | Honestly the DNC is so impotent that I’m not confident their goal is to even win the presidency in 2020. The left is so damn scatterbrained at this moment that I’m afraid the fascists are just gonna run shit up a wall and build us a dictatorship while the other 49% are prioritizing the issues at hand. |
EnyaFangirl
11.07.18 | kamala harris is a cop |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | Julia Ioffe is a minx.
I'm just putting that out there. |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Ultimate irony: complaining about fascism while continuously supporting policies that increase the size of the federal government. Extreme statism IS a factor in fascism, FYI. |
YakNips
11.07.18 | anyone who uses the word "statism" unironically deserves to be crushed by the state, FYI |
DominionMM1
11.07.18 | “My biggest fear is that they’ll run Elizabeth Warren honestly.”
why man? this country needs more native american voices in dc |
EnyaFangirl
11.07.18 | fascism is not really super well-defined but "the worst of the worst greedy capitalists scoring votes for the 1% by exploiting race and economic insecurity" makes sense to me |
Doctuses
11.07.18 | Chuck has CTE |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | @YakNips: Lmao ok statist
@Dominion: rofl 1/1024 Native American |
budgie
11.07.18 | fascism is aggressive state nationalism, doesn't have much to do with economics, other than the reality that fascists tendencies probably will always lead to command economies
but the key term behind fascism is nationalism, not capitalism |
YakNips
11.07.18 | debating about the definition of fascism when you could just read fascist theory lol |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | debating about the definition of fascism when you could just read fascist theory lol [2] |
Doctuses
11.07.18 | The story 10 dudes aruging about things way over their head ad infinitum - this thread |
neekafat
11.07.18 | "I'd love it if people were people again and we'd all just get along, we share this planet and we only have this planet"
not gonna be cool with sharing the planet with people who are totally cool with continuing to poison it but yeah in general yes |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Anarcho-fascism is a walking paradox. When you let the state get as big as it is, you probably shouldn't be surprised that some shady folks would come in and abuse the power you voted to give them. |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | "The story 10 dudes aruging about things way over their head ad infinitum - this thread"
+ a few dudes dropping in making a sweeping generalization while feeling superior because they didnt participate and prove that they know just as little as everyone else. |
Doctuses
11.07.18 | Bro you are in love with me lol
E |
budgie
11.07.18 | i don't appreciate you generalizing about my generalizing |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | @doctuses are you talking to me, or?...idk who you are. |
Doctuses
11.07.18 | Dude ur so transparent its actually funny |
YakNips
11.07.18 | the state was invented to subjugate people like you guys |
budgie
11.07.18 | why doesn't anyone ever say hi to me
i am invisible |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | Does that mean you can see through my ballsack while its resting over your eyes? Could you do a quick scan for testicular cancer? |
Doctuses
11.07.18 | Yikes dude |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | These awful threads are one of my favorite things about this site, no doubt. |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | Oh yeah, hi budgie! |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | @budgie hi babe :] |
budgie
11.07.18 | yaaaaay hi guys >:} |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | @Yak: lmao ok statist, keep on thinking if you get the right people in office then everything will be perfect ;) |
YakNips
11.07.18 | it's not about getting the right people in office moron it's about re-instituting monarchy to own the libs |
budgie
11.07.18 | alexander nooo |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | I am truly sorry, budgie. But don't worry, I dislike talking about politics (especially here) but hey, I like having fun sometimes. |
budgie
11.07.18 | i was hoping you weren't crazy |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | Well, a bit unfortunate that now you think I'm crazy, but oh well. You know, I could talk a bit more about politics to make my views a bit more clear but I don't think many people would like that, and this is a music site anyway sooooooo... yeah, that. |
SitarHero
11.07.18 | "or want to hand over your nation to room temperature iq immigrants"
Sounds like an improvement. |
platnum
11.07.18 | Muh Jewish conspiracy |
budgie
11.07.18 | i'm listening to erik satie right now alexander
while compiling my notes on swedish climate change mitigation
eeeeeee |
Keyblade
11.07.18 | imagine unironically thinking the us belongs to a particular "race", a concept cooked up by 17th century cucks to assert a feigned superiority and justify owning slaves |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | Satie, pretty nice. I'm not listening to anything right now but coincidentally I was listening to Wagner about half an hour ago (while trying to see if I can find what you asked for in my classical discography list). |
budgie
11.07.18 | excuse you keyblade, us americans are all of the pure white anglo saxon protestant race |
YakNips
11.07.18 | shut up nerd |
Greyvy
11.07.18 | feigned superiority?? is the slave is not inferior to the master? what kind of logic is that?
I'm sure all races would be happiest when surrounded by their own people in their homeland, force diversity and nothing good comes out of it, look at diverse cities in America like Philadelphia, Chicago, st.louis etc.. Their wouldn't be an immigration crisis if there wasn't a superiority of races and civilizations. Why would third worlders flock to Europe and America if they weren't superior to their own homeland? It's because they want a slice of that apple pie instead of the dirt pie they're used to eating for dinner lol./ |
YakNips
11.07.18 | @itwasthatwas explain yourself nazi https://i.imgur.com/R7L6rR7.jpg |
AdolfChrist
11.07.18 | Wow, greyvy just tore open a new can of worms, here we go. |
YakNips
11.07.18 | yeah prove him wrong |
EnyaFangirl
11.07.18 | Now for the gamer on gamer crime stuff. For some reason the right always tries to downplay this sort of thing as if it doesn't matter like you just did here. Yes, every minority kills their own minority the most, but considering that Gamer Americans make up 48% of the country and STILL manage to commit so much homicide IS a problem. Whether they're killing gamers, casuals, or children. There are about 2x as many chads in this country as gamers, yet, Gamers commit more murder than chads by a long shot. Gamers are killing eachother in droves and you just shrug it off because it doesn't fit your narrative. According to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl_Tj82asR4 , Gamers murder at an incredibly high rate for their population.
You need to stop virtue signaling and making posts 5 times a day about "Games journalists" for reddit karma. Turn off the Rick and Morty and go take a walk or something.
I won't be returning any replys anymore.
However, I will apologize for the 2 generalizations that you pointed out. Those were very anecdotal and are just based off of what I've seen with my own 2 eyes, so I take back what I said. |
Greyvy
11.07.18 | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAJYVA_VoAAMBCD.jpg |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | gamers rise up |
Kompys2000
11.07.18 | "Gamer on Gamer Crime" is the name of my new mathcore album |
Spec
11.07.18 | Interesting take grey. Funny how diversity over here works just fine. Maybe don’t be a complete fuckhead to people that aren’t white??? |
platnum
11.07.18 | Greyvy needs to put down the bong tbh |
Kompys2000
11.07.18 | Yeah that take is hilaribad
Pretty much just "Immigrants come to America because whites are superior and also I don't know dick about history or socio-economics" |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | Diversity works like shit where I live. |
sonictheplumber
11.07.18 | Fart |
budgie
11.07.18 | do you live in france alexander |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | No, Mexico. |
budgie
11.07.18 | close!
|
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | It's pronounced Mejico. |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | Close indeed. |
budgie
11.07.18 | they both have letters, so. yeah |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | @GhostB1rd
Well, yeah. |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | now, on to the important issues:
do any of y'all ever eat in n out just to flex on libtards |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | @budgie
Well, both have the letter e in common and both have Romanic languages so... Yeah, pretty close. |
budgie
11.07.18 | i eat in'n'out and i'm a liberal what's the connection |
platnum
11.07.18 | "now, on to the important issues:
do any of y'all ever eat in n out just to flex on libtards"
no cus im not 12
"i eat in'n'out and i'm a liberal what's the connection"
i think they're christian |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | The best thing your pendejo country every did was make half of Alexis Bledel. |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | I've never seen an In-N-Out around here. So, uh, no, I haven't. |
budgie
11.07.18 | in english we say romance not 'romanic' tyvm |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | @budgie:
remember the boycott liberals did when it was found out that In N Out donated to a republican? yeah... |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | Then how about a Chik-fil-a then? |
YakNips
11.07.18 | wait alexander are you the same alexander i've been interacting with on twitter |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | I don't know who Alexis Bledel is. |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | @YakNips
Yeah, I am, lol. I thought you already knew. |
budgie
11.07.18 | "remember the boycott liberals did when it was found out that In N Out donated to a republican? yeah..." you mean 200 random bored people who wrote things on the internet for a couple weeks? everyone's fucking insane all the time lol. |
GhostB1rd
11.07.18 | The Dems tried to boycott chikin.
Chikin won. |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | "in english we say romance not 'romanic' tyvm"
I mean, both are technically correct, and in fact in Spanish we usually use "romance", but I like romanic more. |
AgentDeathbat
11.07.18 | yeah it was perfect timing when it happened, i went out of town and got some a few days after the outcry. it was great. |
budgie
11.07.18 | fine |
sixdegrees
11.07.18 | you know I had to do it to em |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | Thinking about... |
YakNips
11.07.18 | i thought you guys were strangely similar lol but i forgot i posted a link to my twitter on here |
J() Alexander
11.07.18 | Lol, yeah, in a LYSFLATH thread, a picture of Lara Croft's feet. |
YakNips
11.08.18 | nah man that was fortnite |
J() Alexander
11.08.18 | Oh, yeah, makes sense, I wasn't very sure. |
budgie
11.08.18 | wat
is
fortnite |
J() Alexander
11.08.18 | Attention all Fortnite gamers: John Wick is in great danger and he needs your help to wipe out the squads in the Tilted Towers, but to do this he needs a Golden SCAR and a couple of chug jugs. To help him, all he needs is your credit card number, the three digits on the back, and the expiration month and year. But, you gotta be quick, so John Wick can secure the bag and achieve the epic Victory Royal! |
AdolfChrist
11.08.18 | Its one of them nintendo games y'all kids are into these days. |
budgie
11.08.18 | i'm a real man - i only play diablo 2
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EnyaFangirl
11.08.18 | fortnite is a deck-building game |
J() Alexander
11.08.18 | I only play Tetris and Vib Ribbon. |
EclipseInYourEyes
11.08.18 | so...anyone wants to talk about the newest shooting in California? I mean, if not gun regulation, then what can you do about all those shootings? It feels like nobody wants to do anything. |
Meridiu5
11.08.18 | Make concealed carry permits easier to get. It works in a bunch of states like Washington and Texas. Its nearly impossible to get one in CA.
Three other big ways to reduce shootings are a reduction in psychotropic meds, a reduction in single motherhood rates (nearly every school shooter had no father), and a local petition where you could take away an insane neighbor's right to own a gun (this one would have stopped the florida shooting). |
Meridiu5
11.08.18 | i'm a real man - i only play diablo 2 [2] |
Macros
11.08.18 | Ugh so many Americans attitude to guns is cowardly selfish. Imagine thinking that your civil liberty in regards to the 2nd amendment is literally more important than the actual lives of 10s of thousands of people every year, including kids. I mean the whole libertarian thing in the States is characterised by intense selfishness, but this particular area is especially fucked up.
I'm so lucky that I'm in a country that reacted to a mass shooting in a responsible way that means I don't have to worry about going to school, or a nightclub, or a place of worship or countless other places with the threat of being pumped full of bullets from a semi-automatic weapon.
Love the country and the people I've met from there, but their approaches to gun control and universal healthcare are two things I will never ever understand. |
Meridiu5
11.08.18 | Ugh so many Americans attitude to guns is cowardly selfish. Imagine thinking that your civil liberty in regards to the 2nd amendment is literally more important than the actual lives of 10s of thousands of people every year, including kids. I mean the whole libertarian thing in the States is characterised by intense selfishness, but this particular area is especially fucked up.
You don't know anything about statistics, do you |
GUNGFUHAMMERFIST
11.08.18 | acosta banned from the white house. reports are he was too mean to the trump. |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | he assaulted somebody trying to take the mic from him |
EclipseInYourEyes
11.08.18 | "local petition where you could take away an insane neighbor's right to own a gun"
but then again people will cry about their 2nd amendment, won't they? about the psychotrops: isn't that a causality thing? I mean, maybe it is the sickness, not the meds. Are there legit studies? Is that proven? Also, if I remember correctly, it is mostly kids that are getting bullied the shit out of them who commit these school shooting. Is something happening in that regard? Or in any of these points? |
Meridiu5
11.08.18 | but then again people will cry about their 2nd amendment, won't they? about the psychotrops: isn't that a causality thing? I mean, maybe it is the sickness, not the meds. Are there legit studies? Is that proven? Also, if I remember correctly, it is mostly kids that are getting bullied the shit out of them who commit these school shooting. Is something happening in that regard? Or in any of these points?
It does threaten the 2nd amendment, but due process is also part of the constitution so it would be a pretty moderate measure. Democrats won't go for it right now because they have more to gain by obstructing and calling the GOP heartless.
You're right that there are no studies for psychs really because the sample size is so low and only correlation can be known, not causation. There is SIGNIFICANT evidence for overprescription however.
Bullying is a big part yes. Usually when kids have bullying issues its because they have no father in the household. |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | bullying has increased tenfold since the new social media paradigm took hold and i think that probably has more to do with the rise in mental issues among kids (and other people, but especially kids) than anything -> major role in the rise in shootings
blaming the drugs is a cop-out as it's not the drugs causing them to act out, it's the symptoms they were experience that required them having to be put on the drugs that were an attempt to balance them
all prescription drugs are over-prescribed yes which is another issue however someone taking an SSRI when they don't have a physical need does not drive them to insanity |
Macros
11.08.18 | "You don't know anything about statistics, do you"
Stats like the US is responsible for 30+% of the worlds mass shootings, but with 5% of the population, or perhaps the stat that gun homicide rates in the US are 25 times higher than all other industrialised, modern countries, or the stat that the country I'm in hasn't seen a mass shooting in over 20 years (since guns became heavily regulated), where as the US has had on average almost one a day in 2018. And that's only a selection, I could keep going.
As for the mental health thing, so many other industrialised countries have exactly the same issues with mental health support and care, but don't have mass shootings on average one a day. The US is an outlier because of the ubiquity and ease of access to guns. |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | for the record im not saying it doesnt also have to do with the availability of firearms in america however that has been a constant over time so if the discussion is about potential causes of the *increase* in shootings the cause(s) is/are some other variable(s) |
J() Alexander
11.08.18 | I want a fucking gun. |
Meridiu5
11.08.18 | Stats like the US is responsible for 30+% of the worlds mass shootings, but with 5% of the population
60% of the world lives in grass huts
I'm in hasn't seen a mass shooting in over 20 years (since guns became heavily regulated)
If your population is lower than the US, that alone explains your lower shooting rates. A big fact that people gloss over is that 2/3 of gun deaths are suicides, and there is no evidence to suggest that a ban would lower it. |
J() Alexander
11.08.18 | Going to 'Merica to buy a gun. |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | i mean theres no denying america has the most domestic gun violence per capita of any first world country
there are stats you can use to support a pro-2nd amendment stance such as less violence in states with more open laws however to try and deny the above doesnt help the argument |
AdolfChrist
11.08.18 | FUCKING UPVOTE |
zakalwe
11.08.18 | The only good reason to have a gun is to prevent some nutter from blowing your head off with a gun and that’s that. |
SitarHero
11.08.18 | "The only good reason to have a gun is to prevent some nutter from blowing your head off with a gun and that’s that."
If you have a gun there's a very high likelikhood that the nutter that's going to blow your head off is you. |
zakalwe
11.08.18 | Yep I completely agree.
Having a firearm is an absolute nonsense, the only fathomable reason to have one is it makes you feel less like you’re hung like a door mouse.
It’s why I have an anti aircraft cannon in me back garden to massage the old ego. |
MO
11.08.18 | "i mean theres no denying america has the most domestic gun violence per capita of any first world country"
the funniest thing is how the areas with the highest gun violence have the strictest gun control policies. also how no mass shooting was ever committed by a member of the NRA. these are things no one ever seems to talk about |
Meridiu5
11.08.18 | If you don't know anything about statistics or politics, you shouldn't pretend to. |
starboystargirl
11.08.18 | so did the big scary orange man win? |
starboystargirl
11.08.18 | what does that even mean lol |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | what
im sorry if ur lacking context by joining a thread with 500 comments perhaps read the thing |
Asdfp277
11.08.18 | "A big fact that people gloss over is that 2/3 of gun deaths are suicides, and there is no evidence to suggest that a ban would lower it"
there's plenty, actually |
Meridiu5
11.08.18 | Although he does have a point. Psychotropic meds are a very small factor if any. A bigger thing to criticize is mental health care in the US.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/02/so-you-think-someone-might-be-mentally-ill/553487/ |
deathschool
11.08.18 | I voted. Now abortion is about to be illegal in my state. A lot of good that did. The whole system is beyond fucked. |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | criticizing the health care system is also a mistake. the solution is in discerning what is causing the mental health crisis in the first place. |
Asdfp277
11.08.18 | not really
better health is better health, knowing the cause can be great but that doesn't mean getting better health wouldn't help |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | which would be achieved by discerning what is causing the mental health crisis in the first place |
deathschool
11.08.18 | ummm. I think the mental health crisis might be worsened by the fact that many people can’t get access to care. It’s ridiculously straight forward
(Edited most to many) |
Asdfp277
11.08.18 | step number 1: get help
failed step number 1 |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | preventative medicine is the solution to most health issues my dear comrades
you want to treat the obesity epidemic symptomatically by paying for people's diabetes medication or would it be better to find strategies to make the population not be so fucking fat? which is more productive and cost effective? |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | that said yes your american health system is fucking trash |
deathschool
11.08.18 | Both are important until you can find a solution for the other |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | yes but one is literally a band aid solution pun intended |
deathschool
11.08.18 | lol, why are you preaching at us (not me, you were already at it before I got here)if you aren’t even American? I’m trying to be civil here, but your frame of reference is flawed. |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | youre not being civil nor am i preaching to you nor is your logic that being american inherently by default means you have more knowledge on any subject sound
relax comrade, the world is not ending, the sun will rise tomorrow |
Meridiu5
11.08.18 | In the US, during 60's-70's asylums were federally funded and it was easier to admit patients. The system has since switched to a state model and its far worse now. The growing single motherhood rate is probably part of the cause too (most shooters don't have a father), but there's also simply a natural percentage of the population that is born with mental illness. |
Asdfp277
11.08.18 | the band aid solutions is necessary when the damage is already done bruh, that's the thing
we can do both but getting help now is a little more pressing, if only to keep things in line until we start prevention measures |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | however that percentage is increasing at a rather alarming rate which means there is some cause other than genetics |
Sinternet
11.08.18 | makes you think |
deathschool
11.08.18 | I’m saying though, my state is literally taking away basic human rights. There comes a time decide it’s gone too far. |
deathschool
11.08.18 | Yeah, if you’re bleeding on the floor, a bandage is a perfectly viable solution. |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | yes dear the initial point which both of you have apparently been unable to hang onto as the conversation progressed is that the reason we have more mental health problems isnt the health care system itself but rather some variable change in society that needs to be addressed
help all the fat fucks get their insulin now but find out why there are so many fat fucks and put them on treadmills to plug the dam so as to prevent future suffering, to rely on society being able to support the infinitely increasing number of fatties is impractical economically speaking as well
hopefully that gets the point across if not my condolences |
deathschool
11.08.18 | Okay great, but to be able to get to the point where we can address that problem, people should have access to basic care. No one is having trouble following your point. It just isn’t step 1 of the process. |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | nope just highlighting your loss of reputation for all newcomers to the thread so as to they dont engage you with any level of seriousness you *insert the current trendiest ad hominem here* |
Sinternet
11.08.18 | how about you can tackle the root cause AND treat those who are suffering currently, and that it isn't one or the other |
Sinternet
11.08.18 | also lol @ thinking incel is a slur |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | i never said it wasnt again to make it perfectly crystal clear the flaw was in asserting the blame ON the health care system |
deathschool
11.08.18 | Don’t fuck with someone’s sput cred. That’s just taking it too far |
deathschool
11.08.18 | Chuck talks about how pretty he is a lot when he gets in arguments |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | dont hop into a debate and group people together and start labeling some trendy ad hominem and it wont happen
every action has a consequence |
deathschool
11.08.18 | every action has a consequence
Hmmm, yes so true. *swirls brandy* |
Asdfp277
11.08.18 | i-slur |
Asdfp277
11.08.18 | incel threesome |
deathschool
11.08.18 | Sweet. We finally got Chuck to say something homophobic. I’m almost at Bingo. |
zakalwe
11.08.18 | When it comes to mental health here’s another opinion of mine that’s never been flavour of the month.
Lock them up with proper care and attention offered by those willing to do the job in well maintained hospitals. It would cost far too much money but I’d be willing to pay an extra £50 a month tbh. |
Asdfp277
11.08.18 | i would pay extra to have u locked up too |
starboystargirl
11.08.18 | this whole site is full of incels |
zakalwe
11.08.18 | Fascist |
deathschool
11.08.18 | Incels are naturally drawn to fascism. |
Asdfp277
11.08.18 | i'm part of the gay dictatorship |
zakalwe
11.08.18 | And when I mean mental health I mean full on spectrum busters. Cuckoos nest stuff, these saps who can’t get their leg over aren’t mental health they’re just petulant spoilt brats with no control, meaning or self worth. |
Asdfp277
11.08.18 | if u were to do a venn diagram of fascism, sputnikmusic and incels it'd be a circle |
deathschool
11.08.18 | More like DICKtatorship
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zaruyache
11.08.18 | "Incels are naturally drawn to fascism"
Pretty much. They value any source of authority that emotionally validates them while putting down others. |
deathschool
11.08.18 | “if u were to do a venn diagram of fascism, sputnikmusic and incels it'd be a circle”
Fuckin lol |
Sinternet
11.08.18 | i think you mean dicktakeinshit |
Asdfp277
11.08.18 | no thanks |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | "if u were to do a venn diagram of fascism, sputnikmusic and incels it'd be a circle"
says user asdfp277, member of sputnikmusic |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | "We finally got Chuck to say something homophobic"
are you implying promiscuity is a negative? wow thats really fucking sexist/homophobic/fascist/incelist/insert-new-ad-hominem-meme-here-ist of you dude |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | h a t e s p e e c h |
deathschool
11.08.18 | Nah, but implying all gay men are a certain thing is homophobic. Another simple idea you can’t seem to grasp |
platnum
11.08.18 | im rather beautiful and have never had trouble sticking my cock in warmed up watermelon mate but try harder |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | @death if you say so
all i see is hate speech coming from you personally |
deathschool
11.08.18 | Yep. That’s me. Hate hate hate. |
deathschool
11.08.18 | tbh I think the only reason I get a pass is because I don’t resort to talking about how pretty I am when people call me mean names. |
deathschool
11.08.18 | Very snowflake of you, Chuck. |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | if you say so
all i see is hate speech coming from you personally |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | tbh im not sure what i even said to have you turn on me but no worries join the club
proposing preventative medicine is more efficient way of mitigating net suffering i guess
very controversial opinion i know |
deathschool
11.08.18 | Oh okay. You’re finally broken. I knew it would happen eventually |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | if you say so |
deathschool
11.08.18 | You didn’t say anything. I just hate everything, remember? |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | dont put the fact you live in a backwards part of the world thats getting rid of abortions on me bro, misguided target |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | no you just have no sense of humor if we're being honest now |
deathschool
11.08.18 | I’m basically Darth Vader dude. |
Asdfp277
11.08.18 | |
platnum
11.08.18 | Day dreaming of the day me and chuck can spend our days together but right now hes a bit too immature for my tastes
I'm scared he might lose it and try to murder me |
J() Alexander
11.08.18 | Vocel gang. |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | negging works guys dont so it seriously tho its immoral |
platnum
11.08.18 | I don't know how you have the patience to debate morons on this site. hats off to you bro m/
November 8 09:38 |
J() Alexander
11.08.18 | I agree. |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | i dont take any of it personally so it requires zero patience
stoicism, look into it |
deathschool
11.08.18 | I can not believe you’re calling yourself a stoic. I’m amazed |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | if you say so |
deathschool
11.08.18 | I do say so |
budgie
11.08.18 | i would like to publicly announce my allegiance to deathschool |
budgie
11.08.18 | also to asdfp
this thread really brought out the colors of sputusers |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | ~ t r u e c o l o r s ~ |
anarchistfish
11.08.18 | i voted once |
budgie
11.08.18 | i have never claimed morale superiority to anyone, and i don't think i ever would be able to justify doing so
it's ultimately a nonissue for me
pretty irrelevant though
i definitely am not going to call you anything if you're going to turn into a baby and report me over it, lol |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | just checking bro |
anarchistfish
11.08.18 | communism when |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | goddamnit fish |
Sinternet
11.08.18 | whats up my n words |
platnum
11.08.18 | Rather someone ironically say fag than someone supporting right wing authoritarian bull shit |
budgie
11.08.18 | [2] |
guitarded_chuck
11.08.18 | except in my 12 years of voter eligibility ive only ever voted for one of the canadian social democratic party, liberal party, or green party
we bringing the convo back to generalizations though, very good, thought the thing was about to die there for a moment |
Meridiu5
11.08.18 | someday they'll find a cure for liberalism |
SitarHero
11.08.18 | "someday they'll find a cure for liberalism"
Apparently it's a combination of lobotomisation and melanin deficiency. |
sonictheplumber
11.08.18 | donald. drumpf |
EclipseInYourEyes
11.09.18 | "the funniest thing is how the areas with the highest gun violence have the strictest gun control policies. also how no mass shooting was ever committed by a member of the NRA. these are things no one ever seems to talk about" - maybe that's correlation, but not causation. does not prove anything.
@Meridiu5: I know you intentionally exaggerated with 60% of the world living in grass huts. I can only recommend Hans Rosling's newest book "Factfulness". The whole world is not as underdeveloped as one might think. Also Steven Pinker published a new book about the same topic this year, but Rosling's is shorter and more straight forward. Just in case you are interested :)
However, here are 3 graphics about the ownerships of guns and gun violence per 100.000 inhabitants in Switzerland and the US. I know it is in German, but I think you will get the point. Also there are many interesting facts like the percentage of homicides and suicides and stuff. For me personally it indicates that there are several problems at stake, but also that there are obviously measurements to condemn this crisis. In addition one major thing is in semi automatic guns, I think. Just fyi
https://www.watson.ch/schweiz/usa/373241489-waffengewalt-die-schweiz-und-die-usa-im-vergleich |
Keyblade
11.09.18 | "Why would third worlders flock to Europe and America if they weren't superior to their own homeland? It's because they want a slice of that apple pie instead of the dirt pie they're used to eating for dinner lol./"
lol I missed this foolishness, did u mean like almost all the white European immigrants since the colonial era, over half of whom had such shit lives in Europe that they willingly crossed the Atlantic to become indentured servants?
like the Irish for instance (who incidentally were considered subhuman until about 100 years ago, but are now part of the white club. it's almost like race is arbitrarily determined) who were probably quite literally eating dirt pies, such was the severity of the Great Hunger. there were even documented cases of cannibalism actually, forget dirt pies
imagine how profoundly ignorant u have to be to think this is some recent phenomenon involving "third worlders" when it's literally been the one enduring narrative of America since even before its formal inception. it's always been the place where impoverished and persecuted ppl went to find a better life. history and dna testing must be like kryptonite for a white nationalist goddamn |
guitarded_chuck
11.09.18 | yikes |
Meridiu5
11.09.18 | lol I missed this foolishness, did u mean like almost all the white European immigrants since the colonial era, over half of whom had such shit lives in Europe that they willingly crossed the Atlantic to become indentured servants?
europeans have a protestant culture and an IQ average of 100. the difference between them and third worlders is profound
imagine how profoundly ignorant u have to be to think this is some recent phenomenon involving "third worlders" when it's literally been the one enduring narrative of America since even before its formal inception
the immigration system always favored europeans because they assimilate better. this was true throughout our history. it wasn't till the 1960's when ted kennedy opened the border to the third world. and he only did it because he knew lower IQ populations statistically vote democrat |
guitarded_chuck
11.09.18 | yeah if key wants to turn the debate into claims of europeans being as equally unsuccessful coming to america the white nationalist rebuke is - true but guess who came out on top
its a fucking stupid comment and only seeks to further the heated race discussion unnecessarily, which i begin to wonder if that is not the primary motivation for making comments such as key just did, wanting to further the racial fighting under the guise of some bullshit righteous stance
you want peace and equality among the races? how about stop making unproductive fucking comments like that yeah?
the left bringing back identity politics when we were making great strides over time progressively towards a society with equality of opportunity, the f u c k i n g irony |
J() Alexander
11.09.18 | White people are pretty cool tbh. |
Keyblade
11.09.18 | @meridiu5 that's not even true, there were plenty of middle Eastern and Chinese immigrants in the 19th century
lol chuck ofc u completely missed my point. I'm saying almost everyone in the US has the same origin story, it's dumb to look down on modern day immigrants when ur ancestors likely why thru the same shit and prolly faced the same exact rhetoric from the Nativists
but of course to a weird centrist always trying to play devil's advocate, this is exactly the same as the literal fascists itt advocating for an ethnostate |
guitarded_chuck
11.09.18 | get em key
and no, you were heard loud and clear, you missed my point
w e i r d |
guitarded_chuck
11.09.18 | keep fanning the flames of racial tension
as a minority, the fact this tactic is not immediately inherently counter productive to you is beyond me
but, that's what i'm here for, save you from yourself |
Meridiu5
11.09.18 | you know you've won the argument when they start calling you brrrrrrrrrrrrracist |
AgentDeathbat
11.09.18 | who in this thread is a fascist? |
J() Alexander
11.09.18 | Uh, I am. Kind of. Basically. Yeah. Sure. |
Darius the Great
11.09.18 | woah this thread hasn't been wiped? grats boys keep truckin |
sixdegrees
11.09.18 | we live in a society |
platnum
11.09.18 | "keep fanning the flames of racial tension"
By what? Acknowledging history and realizing all the awful thing white people did to other races and idk maybe say "hey how about we dont repeat the past" and to acknowledge minorities still have a lot of disadvantages in society.
But instead we got infantile reactionary neckbeards/incels buying tiki torches screaming "blood and soil!"
|
AgentDeathbat
11.09.18 | We also got infantile anti-American cretins rioting outside Tucker Carlson's house screaming "NO BORDERS, NO WALL, NO USA AT ALL!" |
Sinternet
11.09.18 | sounds like they got the right idea |
Feather
11.09.18 | THE BLUE WAVE HAS SAVED AMERICA |
AgentDeathbat
11.09.18 | What blue wave? this was significantly weaker than the "red wave" in 2010 under Obama. The Democrats LOST three Senate seats and only gained half as many house seats as the Republicans did in 2010. |
AgentDeathbat
11.09.18 | Make America FREE again. Cut taxes and regulations, end the war on drugs, significantly scale back military involvement, privatize entitlements, among other things. |
AgentDeathbat
11.09.18 | lol |
Meridiu5
11.09.18 | Brenda Snipes trying to commit voter fraud in florida. When called out by a state court she accused the opposition of racism what else is new |
J() Alexander
11.09.18 | Someone deleted my last two comments smh we living in a society |
J() Alexander
11.09.18 | Mostly agree. |
J() Alexander
11.09.18 | Make 'Merica white, God damn it. |
J() Alexander
11.09.18 | And free. |
hal1ax
11.09.18 | haha sup doc |
budgie
11.09.18 | "Make America FREE again. Cut taxes and regulations"
lol |
AgentDeathbat
11.09.18 | it's the truth budgie |
budgie
11.09.18 | i can't take anyone who promotes the idea of an unregulated world seriously, sorry |
GhostB1rd
11.10.18 | The difference in immigration between modern day and then was the existence of a welfare state tbh. White Euros weren't immigrating to a place that had a generous safety net, they were going to make it or break it solely on their own blood, sweat, tears, and often lives. Compare that to someplace like Germany where the vast bulk of immigrants have no job skills to speak of, no desire to learn the language, and no intention of finding gainful employment. |
Keyblade
11.10.18 | why would u compare it to Germany when we're talking about the us |
GhostB1rd
11.10.18 | I'm saying globally. The biggest immigration in the modern world is the influx of economic migrants to Europe.
We get Mexicans. Mexicans are money. |
GhostB1rd
11.10.18 | Fortunately the Atlantic Ocean is an awesome immigration policy. |
J() Alexander
11.10.18 | Anyway, you guys like Japanese peanuts? They're pretty damn good, I'm a big fan. |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | @budgie: I mean I have a tough time taking seriously the idea that the answer to government corruption and rising costs of products is more government control so I guess that makes two of us. :) |
hal1ax
11.10.18 | how will cutting public services remediate governmental corruption? |
J() Alexander
11.10.18 | If there's no govermant there can't be governmental corruption. |
hal1ax
11.10.18 | lol |
GhostB1rd
11.10.18 | *thinking gif* |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | Reducing the size of government increases its efficiency, and it's not a coincidence that most corrupt nations have MASSIVE governments. Nazi Germany, Communist China, the Soviet Union, whatever Pinochet ran, the list goes on. |
budgie
11.10.18 | "If there's no govermant there can't be governmental corruption."
so.. this is impressively idiotic, well done
|
J() Alexander
11.10.18 | I'm not serious about that one, budgie, come on. Even if I am technically not wrong.
Just noticed I wrote government wrong, lmao, nice. I should sleep. |
J() Alexander
11.10.18 | I wonder how many typos have I made this night. |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | Sure...except for the punishing of private industry and the systematic execution of millions of people they deemed undesirable... |
hal1ax
11.10.18 | Hmm. But don’t you think the way that those governments governed played a bigger role in their corruption than their sheer volume? |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | I mean it's gotta be true...right? Germany has nothing to hide by jailing the harmful bigots that question history...right??? |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | Sure, yes. But their volume gave them credence to govern that way. |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | Clearly. |
J() Alexander
11.10.18 | Evidently. |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | Manifestly. |
J() Alexander
11.10.18 | Unquestionably. |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | Unimpeachably. |
hal1ax
11.10.18 | "But their volume gave them credence to govern that way."
this is correlational not a priori.
there have been relatively large governments that weren't oozing with corruption i'm sure. maybe you could argue it increases the likelihood for corruption? i guess? |
J() Alexander
11.10.18 | Undeniably. |
budgie
11.10.18 | "there have been relatively large governments that weren't oozing with corruption i'm sure. maybe you could argue it increases the likelihood for corruption? i guess?"
the wondrously stupid thing here is thinking the absence of government leading to an absence of corruption being positive.. it leads to an absence of culpability, corruption is a charge, after all. it's like making homicide legal and claiming progress because homicide-related incarcerations disappeared |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | I guess it is correlational, but as far as I'm concerned the easiest way to fix the issues is to take their power away, piece by piece. It's so funny seeing anti-Trump liberals go on about fascism; meanwhile, they were seemingly fine with the government getting as big as it is today (or the good ones were just not loud enough), which is what allowed such a supposed fascist to have an overwhelming amount of power. |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | I'm not saying abolish entirely though, just restrict it a lot more than now. |
hal1ax
11.10.18 | where in my writing did i imply that i thought absence of government / corruption was a positive? i have taken no position @ budgie |
hal1ax
11.10.18 | so save your bitchy little 'wondrously stupid' comments |
budgie
11.10.18 | i quoted you to continue your thread of conversation, certainly wasn't saying anything about you or your position
mostly it's in response to agentdeathbat's earlier comment about regulations needing to go, and then somehow justifying that by saying governance = corruption |
J() Alexander
11.10.18 | americans be like: yo i dontt like fascism and big guvernemt
and im just here like: ok google how do i resurrect Porfirio Díaz |
hal1ax
11.10.18 | o i see. my bad @ budgie |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | Governance within reason doesn't = corruption.
"Within reason," being far less than the modern US government. |
budgie
11.10.18 | @alexander progressive americans typically vote for 'big' government, i certainly do |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | I'd say Coolidge was our last good president. MAYBE John F. Kennedy, since he did try to roll back a lot of the more ridiculous parts of Roosevelt's New Deal. |
J() Alexander
11.10.18 | @budgie
Yeah, but I'd like a big not progressive government.
Anyway, you guys keep going with your stuff, proud of you all. |
hal1ax
11.10.18 | so it feels like with a tiny government you are trading the potential for more corruption for way less societal oversight... which could easily result in a worse outcome than increased governmental corruption (assuming Agent's claim is true). |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | I see where your concern lies, but that's why we can't just rip the entitlements and other massive programs out from under people. As libertarian as I am, I am still a pragmatist, we ought to go one by one, slowly transferring power back to the citizens. |
budgie
11.10.18 | "As libertarian as I am"
so you think something like the IPCC has no right existing? this is the principal gripe i have with libertarians. among the many gripes, mind you. |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | I'm indifferent on the IPCC. I will say I am skeptical of a lot of the alarmism surrounding the topic, however. |
budgie
11.10.18 | "I will say I am skeptical of a lot of the alarmism surrounding the topic, however."
what a shame. you should read the IPCC report from october (SR15). |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | If it was all true, the predictions in the Inconvenient Truth should've been realized by now. Lol |
hal1ax
11.10.18 | i still don't think a gradual weaning off of government would be effective like you think , not unless it somehow magically altered human nature. people will always need governance / accountability / oversight in some form or another. |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | I mean I'm still not advocating abolition but how were we able to handle limited government in the first half or so of America's lifespan? Obviously, some parts of our history were ugly and should not be repeated, but there's quite a bit that would have been phased out on its own. Child labor was already on the way out before the laws were implemented against it. And that's actually a measure I'm fine with. |
Storm In A Teacup
11.10.18 | if OKC can go blue then Tulsa can as well dammit |
zaruyache
11.10.18 | "I mean I'm still not advocating abolition but"
go fuck yourself |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | Wow... seems I rustled a few feathers, eh? |
Sinternet
11.10.18 | tfw when budgie is the voice of reason |
zakalwe
11.10.18 | Why is it that the people with the least to worry about worry most and cause the greatest impact without being affected?
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Jacquibim
11.10.18 | Fokin' trust fund brats ain't never seen in a shiv in their loives, innit zak |
sixdegrees
11.10.18 | yeah you havent |
Wubs
11.10.18 | Do you guys prefer pizza or donuts? |
sixdegrees
11.10.18 | donut, going to dunkin donuts later today for a boston creme tbqh |
EclipseInYourEyes
11.10.18 | "I'm saying almost everyone in the US has the same origin story, it's dumb to look down on modern day immigrants when ur ancestors likely why thru the same shit and prolly faced the same exact rhetoric from the Nativists"
there is a really good study from Norbert Elias and John L. Scotson about stigmatizing "outsiders" - without being any different from them in a socio economic way. It's called "The Established and the Outsiders" from 1965.
The rest from this discussion just went full retard, as I see. Damn. |
Meridiu5
11.10.18 | The state is necessary. Without a neutral arbiter enforcing the law, people descend into eye for an eye and tribalism. |
Meridiu5
11.10.18 | The ipcc is like most leftist things. Big heart and no brains |
GhostB1rd
11.10.18 | Wonder if budgie accepts SREX which states that extreme weather conditions haven't worsened. |
J() Alexander
11.10.18 | "Do you guys prefer pizza or donuts?"
Odd question, but pizza. |
Asdfp277
11.10.18 | donuts |
DominionMM1
11.10.18 | but why though? |
GUNGFUHAMMERFIST
11.10.18 | Recounts in Florida. |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | All because of those anti-gun nutters in Broward... |
budgie
11.10.18 | "Wonder if budgie accepts SREX which states that extreme weather conditions haven't worsened."
"Based on data since 1950, evidence suggests that climate change has changed the magnitude and frequency of some extreme weather and climate events in some global regions already
Any delay in greenhouse gas mitigation is likely to lead to more severe and frequent climate extremes in the future and will likely further contribute to disaster losses" |
budgie
11.10.18 | you're just a blatant liar ghost bird, or you have no idea what you're trying to talk about |
GhostB1rd
11.10.18 | Hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, drought, etc. are all net normal by all recorded measurements. Fuck off. |
GhostB1rd
11.10.18 | Disaster losses as percent of GDP are also fucking down.
https://reason.com/blog/2018/11/05/natural-disasters-destroying-a-lower-per |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | If the Inconvenient Truth was...true, Cali would be underwater by now.
...not that I'd be against that considering it's a shithole. |
Sinternet
11.10.18 | you sure are edgy for someone with an avenged sevenfold username |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | Implying A7X isn't regularly maligned as being "edgy" |
Sinternet
11.10.18 | no stating that you're well beyond that |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | I guess not being a liberal/socialist does that to you.
furthermore i want to change it but i can't, i left the deathbat moniker behind on all except reddit and here because i can't change the name. |
Sinternet
11.10.18 | its more to do with being a fuckass |
AgentDeathbat
11.10.18 | fam, it's well established Cali's a shithole. Like half its twentysomething citizens want to move to Texas and fuck it up with the same policies that fucked Cali. |
Snake.
11.10.18 | “If the Inconvenient Truth was...true, Cali would be underwater by now.“
sounds like you didn’t even watch the movie |
zaruyache
11.10.18 | NASA acknowledges climate change so idk what bullshit conspiracy stuff we're entertaining now but it's uh wrong
inconvenient truth is well-established as not a good documentary tho but idk how acknowledging that is supposed to be an argument for anything |
Greyvy
11.10.18 | >NASA
we really gonna believe the guys who faked the moon landing huh xD |
zaruyache
11.10.18 | cgi |
DamnVanne
11.10.18 | The moon is an urban legend |
GhostB1rd
11.10.18 | It prefers black. |
Doctuses
11.10.18 | Agentdeathbat got beat up by a black guy once confirmed |
Asdfp277
11.10.18 | hey, wasn't that like in one the national song |
Asdfp277
11.10.18 | not about being beat up |
