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KTV 09.13.09	1-4, 12 rule
Athom 09.13.09	I can do without the last 3 bands but yeah, good job. I'd replace em with Darkest Hour, Hopesfall and BTBAM (I dont give a shit if you think DH and BTBAM are something else)
qwe 09.13.09	good list for the most part. what redsky said
LisbonGirls 09.13.09	meh, okay list
qwe 09.13.09	oh shit didnt see 11 fuck that
renegadestrings 09.13.09	i don't think i consider DEP to be metalcore... brutalasallfuckcore
Phantom 09.13.09	check out some Zao if you havent already. start with the old stuff
Faint7 09.13.09	Hey Darkest Hour isn't metalcore! :)
bloc 09.13.09	okay, all this list contains are top bands from the sputnik charts. then a couple others sprinkled in.
SlightlyEpic 09.13.09	Good list for the most part. Might I recommend: Deadguy - Fixation On A Coworker Skycamefalling - 10.21 The Secret - Luce Reflux - The Illusion of Democracy Knut - Challenger
OllieS 09.13.09	Generic list, 8 is good
GBJ 09.13.09	generic list, but lot of good. The last few made me cringe though.
Groink 09.13.09	Pretty good list.
Mordecai. 09.13.09	Underoath much?
Relinquished 09.13.09	i would have put august burns red in there too
Relinquished 09.13.09	and all that remains
Bandido 09.13.09	Props for ETID. I would replace Killswitch with the Bled and maybe squeeze in Haste The Day, personally, but solid list
CustardPlug 09.14.09	changed it up a lil cuz i dont really consider btbam or dh metalcore but w.e
CustardPlug 09.14.09	also august burns red kicks major ass
Bfhurricane 09.14.09	Looking at redsky's quote and looking at the list... you changed it to exactly what he recommended? What were the bands before? And I agree on ABR, love that band.
CustardPlug 09.14.09	aild and bleeding through. and i was actually considering these bands before redsky commented
Athom 09.14.09	cool. i have sway.
Inveigh 09.14.09	Yeah, I'd take out BTBAM because they're not metalcore and I'd replace them with August Burns Red. Also, I'd remove Norma Jean in favor of Bleeding Through of As I Lay Dying. I'm definitely with you on 1, 3, 4, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 though. Good list.
Fxxkit13 09.14.09	How is BTBAM not metalcore?
Inveigh 09.14.09	They don't contain enough of the prerequisite characteristics of the genre. Just because they have a couple breakdowns does not make them metalcore, just like it doesn't make Lamb of God metalcore.
Fxxkit13 09.14.09	They are metalcore.
Inveigh 09.14.09	Meh, I disagree. They're more progressive metal (maybe even progressive death metal) than they are metalcore.
Inveigh 09.14.09	Are The Human Abstract metalcore? I don't personally think so. Just like I don't think Protest the Hero are metalcore. If Opeth added some breakdowns would they be metalcore? Those are the bands I think of when I hear BTBAM, and none of them are metalcore.
Fxxkit13 09.14.09	Breakdowns don't make bands metalcore
Inveigh 09.14.09	My point exactly. Why then, do you consider BTBAM a metalcore band?
Fxxkit13 09.14.09	because they combine qualities of metal and hardcore.
Inveigh 09.14.09	Very compelling case you present there (sarcasm). Precisely what elements of hardcore are you referring to? Is it the sweep picking and technical guitar parts? Is it the growled vocals combined with the clean, Opeth-sounding ones? Is it perhaps the 7 minute songs?
Fxxkit13 09.14.09	http://www.myspace.com/betweentheburiedandme metal/progressive/hardcore
Inveigh 09.14.09	Yes, if MySpace says it then it must be true. Why trust your ears when you can have an anonymous webmaster tell you what to think? I asked YOU what you thought the hardcore influences were. If I wanted to know what they listed on their MySpace page I would have just gone there.
Fxxkit13 09.14.09	The band made their own myspace page. Hardcore is what they list themselves as. Them deciding to put Hardcore makes it clearly obvious i that they believe they contain SOMETHING hardcore in their music. That hardcore factor plus the obvious metal influence factor (evident in drums, guitar solo's and even some of the keyboard arrangements) makes them metalcore. Also many of their riffs (while original and creative) are played in a metalcore style.
Inveigh 09.14.09	Dude, all you did there was tell me again that their MySpace page lists them as having hardcore influence and then you listed a bunch of reasons why they're metal or progressive. I still have yet to hear anyone tell me why these guys are considered metalCORE other than the fact that they list it on their MySpace page and they throw in the occassional (and it's not very often) breakdown. Please elaborate on the original question.
Fxxkit13 09.14.09	i just said that a lot of their riffs are played in metalcore style. The fact that combine the influences of metal and hardcore into one also makes them metalcore.
Inveigh 09.14.09	lol, yes, but you have not listed one "hardcore influence" on the band. And I'm not sure what you mean by playing their riffs "in metalcore style." Most metalcore bands play riffs in the style of At the Gates, In Flames and Metallica. Does that make any of those bands metalcore? At what point in an BTBAM song do you say, "oh, that right there sounds like harcore"? Maybe some post-hardcore in the emo lyrics of their older albums... but definitely no hardcore lyricism or chord progressions in their music. No sir. They don't really have a "hardcore attitude" either.
Fxxkit13 09.14.09	i dont think we'll ever settle this lol. Your going to think your way and i'm gonna think mine, but at least we can agree that BTABAM is pretty fucking awesome.
Inveigh 09.14.09	I will agree with you on that. Not my favorite band in the world, but they are insanely talented.
Inveigh 09.14.09	Oh, and props to CustardPlug for creating a list that got almost 50 comments and sparked some epic debate.
Fxxkit13 09.14.09	yes, props!
CustardPlug 09.15.09	wow i lold at all the comments
shaunl6 09.16.09	honestly i think, parkway and prom queen should be in there!
IndieOut 10.02.09	god no i hate prom queen. parkway drive is pretty good, but i don't think they deserve to be there over august burns red, oh sleeper, tony danza, roses dead, fear before, or he is legend.
MusiclessLifeless 10.08.09	August Burns Red is missing from this list. And All That Remains too.
cirq 10.08.09	Abr? Underoath?
zrosschristian 10.23.09	Needs August Burns Red and Demon Hunter #7, 8, 10, 11, and 13 are beastly. Well, 11 used to be good, now they suck.
CallMeCrispy 10.23.09	Misery Signals should be a little higher than that, atleast in the top 5. Other than that, I pretty much agree with this list.