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TheAntichrist 08.06.22	you fvckin' meat having savages
ArsMoriendi 08.06.22	No, I had a lamb gyro platter for dinner tonight with a greek salad on the side covered in feta :D
Gnocchi 08.06.22	Seriously how good is Wagyu rib eye though? Salt and pepper crust sear. 10 min butter basting. Some duck fat chats and dusted prosciutto.
ArsMoriendi 08.06.22	Duck fat on steak? Whoa that sounds so extra, damn I love duck though so
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	vegan btw
Dedes 08.06.22	"not plant based" what do you even mean, is avoiding animal products as a whole not the baseline qualification of vegan?
ArsMoriendi 08.06.22	I think he means not people who primarily eat vegetarian but cheat sometimes, but full on vegans who do not touch animal products, not even honey or marshmallows etc
Source 08.06.22	i used to play as vega in street fighter sometimes so i guess so
Trebor. 08.06.22	Been vegetarian for 15 years
Dedes 08.06.22	Ah you are probably right Ars, I think I misinterpreted.
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	veganism is about ethics. Someone on a plant based diet could have the same diet that a vegan has.
Colton 08.06.22	i was a vegetarian for the last 6 years until this march. I still don't eat red meat. does that count
Gnocchi 08.06.22	-Duck fat on steak? Whoa that sounds so extra, damn- Technically this is kind of basic. You should see what I can do with bone marrow.
twlight 08.06.22	Thinking about it. I notice a total correlation between what I eat and how I feel... What a fuckin surprise. Too much processed food these days
Colton 08.06.22	same. I feel way better now that I'm eating meat again lol
twlight 08.06.22	Ate some chicken eggs today. Feel fucking fantastic
Dedes 08.06.22	I had dominoes and a tall boy Feeling sad and defeated
twlight 08.06.22	what tall boy?
Parallels 08.06.22	Do I know what they do to those animals? No. But, it's delicious...
twlight 08.06.22	wait until we are all eating insect protein jk but not really, Blade Runner 2049 is a good movie
DominionMM1 08.06.22	if the day ever comes when i can’t get prime rib i’ll just take a header off the top of my building
twlight 08.06.22	please dont. beef, it's what's for winners
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	And people say veganism is a cult
twlight 08.06.22	lol
kevbogz 08.06.22	15 years but soft on eggs occasionally
twlight 08.06.22	hard boiled eggs are low key the best quick snack for protein and low carbs..
kevbogz 08.06.22	yeh i live on 4 acres and got some livestock so the “cheating” aspect is a lil weird considering it’s literally farm to table
twlight 08.06.22	that's not cheating, that's living
kevbogz 08.06.22	amen to that brother. but no meats whatsoever 15 years. fresh goat cheese and hard broiled eggs tho sheeeesh
twlight 08.06.22	interesting... well if it works for you, I've been thinking lately that diet is HUGE for physical and mental health. and everyone is different. you gotta see what works for you and what doesnt. anything that increases inflammation should be avoided
kevbogz 08.06.22	agreed completely. think there’s a fallacy some people believe that vegan automatically = healthy. the biggest thing i always recommend the “i could never go veg because i can’t stop eating xyz” people is cutting back how much animal product they consume on a daily basis. it’s boggling how almost every meal of the american diet consists of a large portion of meat
kevbogz 08.06.22	that and sugar good fucking god do we love sugar
twlight 08.06.22	oh truth... american meals have a large portion of the meal consisting of meat. when you think american "cuisine" what do you think? a burger or steak? not healthy
TheAntichrist 08.06.22	"agreed completely. think there’s a fallacy some people believe that vegan automatically = healthy." if you're referring to stuff like plant based meat, plant based cheese, and plant based meals based on animal based stuff like meat, poultry, and dairy, that is not technically 'vegan' even though the fda allows them to be certified as such. veganism is about ethics and aims to protect animals and their rights, and that plant based garbage is full of long chain fatty saturated oils and processed ingredients so actual vegans who eat real, whole food have the advantage of longevity, micro nutrition, and moral high ground (this one isn't necessarily the end goal but just happens to be a part of it) while not pandering to companies pretending to be healthy just because they make plant based alternatives (the sad thing is that some of them actually test on animals)
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	Uh no you don't have to follow a vegan whole foods diet strictly to be an 'actual vegan'. But yes eating a variety of whole plant foods is the best for health. The mediterranean diet is the most favoured and one of the most researched diets by nutritionists. (not a vegan diet though)
goblinilbog 08.06.22	Vegetarian for about 5 years now.
foxblood 08.06.22	I was vegan for 6 years or so. I'm not really that into food so changing my diet means literally nothing to me. I'd do it again if I wasn't living on my own, it's expensive. maybe it's better now though, I did it until about 2014 but it seems like there's a ton of more options these days compared to back then.
Colton 08.06.22	the reason people don’t take vegans seriously is because of shit like what antichrist just said
Colton 08.06.22	some vegans will continually up the ante on their gatekeeping until it’s impossible for anyone to be vegan in their eyes. “plant based meat and cheese isn’t vegan” lol
TheAntichrist 08.06.22	trvth hurts bud
Colton 08.06.22	“ Veganism is the practice of abstaining from the use of animal products, particularly in diet, and an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of animals.”
Colton 08.06.22	imagine arguing beans aren’t vegan
SharkTooth 08.06.22	I really don't care too much about veganism, but I am an environmentalist so I tend to restrict meat intake for that alone. I don't think I have what it takes to give up meat, but I have stopped eating beef entirely and would absolutely, as they say, "eat the bugs" if I were to go """"vegan"""" I would 100% be reliant on those company created meat substitutes also morality is a spook
DDDeftoneDDD 08.06.22	The planet is doing fine. People are f u c k e d
SharkTooth 08.06.22	if only we got fucked faster
TheAntichrist 08.06.22	imagine eating fake chicken nuggets and burgers from a company that does animal testing and claiming it's vegan lol yawl are fvckin' ratorded
SharkTooth 08.06.22	vros what if we just ate each other
Colton 08.06.22	from a company that does animal testing? oh you mean the one you made up because self righteous gatekeeping is more important to you than actually encouraging plant based diets?
DDDeftoneDDD 08.06.22	Tru Shark
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	@foxblood https://www.vegansociety.com/news/blog/why-does-veganism-have-expensive-reputation
TheAntichrist 08.06.22	impossible food and hampton creek, just, quorn among others...all companies that either still do or no longer do, and the whole idea that they did that shit in the first place yet didn't harm animals is a fallacy in itself and goes against a big reason why veganism exists; to protect the animals. also if you know your way around a kitchen, you don't need fake meat and cheese to make boring, whole food taste good but to each their own
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	"imagine eating fake chicken nuggets and burgers from a company that does animal testing and claiming it's vegan lol yawl are fvckin' ratorded" I think it's valid to choose to not consume these products, but you can argue that even the companies that do that offer an option to people who would otherwise not find veganism attractive. Most people are not going to move to a whole foods diet when they are already eating garbage.
ffs 08.06.22	any gungans here
Colton 08.06.22	wow he named a total of 4 brands that do animal testing I guess that means every vegan meat product ever isn’t actually vegan
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	@TheAntichrist are you pro covid vaccine? They were tested on animals.
DDDeftoneDDD 08.06.22	What is a vegan meat product? I am sorry I am ignorant
Colton 08.06.22	contains no meat or animal products but is designed to taste like one
DDDeftoneDDD 08.06.22	Oooh makes total sense now...makes no sense tho
Colton 08.06.22	makes no sense for antichrist to say they’re not vegan when they contain no animal products
TheAntichrist 08.06.22	lion boi that's why being plant based exists since it's either the bridge to becoming vegan or you can stay that way which fine do as you want it's a free country after all, and you are still making a more positive impact on the environment and the animals, but a lot of it is still low quality, garbage food with much of it pretending to be its animal counterpart. of course it takes a lot of willpower to go from no longer eating chicken wings and pork chops to being vegan, but whoever said life was fair or easy?
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	@DDD tofu
TheAntichrist 08.06.22	and no i'm not pro covid vaccine either, and that goes just beyond animal testing alone. we still don't know the long term effects it can have on human development, but hey it's a free country so if people are willing to shoot up heroin, i guess a covid needle in a haystack ain't so bad cus the government said so eh?
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	How long have you been a freegan antichrist? Freeganism is the most harm reducing form of veganism and therefore the only kind right?
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	"i'm not pro covid vaccine either" Well that's consistent I guess.
TheAntichrist 08.06.22	now don't get me wrong, just because i'm not pro vaccine doesn't mean i go around protesting it cus it's a free country do whatever the fvck you want i can't stop you. it's like abortion cus i'm definitely not pro-abortion either, but if you don't mind digging out a dead fetus from your genitalia with a coat hangar, then you do you cus it's a free country right?
TheAntichrist 08.06.22	i've been truly vegan since i was 18 so about 12 years
Colton 08.06.22	alright let’s wrap this one up boys
TheAntichrist 08.06.22	hey we're just having some fun colty boi. just some good ol' compelling locker room talk then we'll go out for some salads and bitches later on
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	I asked if you were freegan Has there ever been an mrna vaccine that had side effects after 1 year?
DDDeftoneDDD 08.06.22	I agree Colton! Tks Ghandi! I tofu da fuck I want and I'm no vegan
DDDeftoneDDD 08.06.22	Maybe you re not trully vegan, but you think you are
TheAntichrist 08.06.22	In all seriousness, no I have not been Freegan for the past twelve years. That's a not a concept I understood 12 years ago when I was only 18, just moving out on my own, going to community college while working full time at Publix at the time, and having yet to experience the real world for everything it has to offer: the love, the heartbreak, the joy, the suicide attempts and depression, alcoholism, where I stood with my Catholic upbringings, the decision to stop contributing to a corrupt meat industry and its partners as much as I could, balancing my first check book, changing my first tire, and so on and so forth. I didn't just know out the gate exactly what I needed to do. In spirit, I've been Freegan the past twelve years, but in practice based off increasingly high expectations, much less, and that's fine because there's no better time for life to be a roller coaster than your 20's. I don't actually care about whether or not you want your almond milk ice cream or Morning Star chik'n nuggets or what have you; as long as you're not eating stuff that comes from animals, that's honestly great. Sometimes I'll get a pint of So Delicious Cookies and Cream Cashewmilk ice cream because it's literally the best thing since sliced bread no joke LOL. If you're making the transition from animal foods and animal tested products, that's great too. If you're still eating animal food but having less of it over time and more nutrient dense plant based food, that's great too. I'm actually being serious this time and not just my usual exaggerated, half-kidding, lower-cased antics that has made up the near 4,000 comments of my almost two years of being TheAntichrist. I guess that means I sold out as of today, but oh well. Life goes on. I don't support abortions, but if you feel it's right, go have one because it's a free country, and I can't tell you what you can and can't do. I don't support the vaccine, but if you feel like it's right, go ahead and get it because it's a free country, and I can't tell you what you can and can't do. Have your plant based cake and eat it too because at least it's not made from dairy right?
vult 08.06.22	Rare Colton Ws all over this
BMDrummer 08.06.22	was vegan for like 3-4 years, went back to vegetarianism just because of how much weight i lost always tempted to back to being vegan, definitely had a lot of energy when i was
Trebor. 08.06.22	Is christ trolling here or just a massive knob?
Egarran 08.06.22	I like how this is basically a therapy session for Anti. Get it all out, bro.
gschwen 08.06.22	Plant based meat was never meant for people that don't eat meat. It's pretty big for people who like meat and want to imagine a reasonably animal-friendly alternative. Though I imagine there are plenty of vegetarians who love to be able to eat out and find Impossible-something on the menu of every not-niche restaurant.
Colton 08.06.22	"Plant based meat was never meant for people that don't eat meat" ?? that's essentially the entire idea of plant based meat. if you eat meat, you'll just eat actual meat. maybe you'll try some alternatives out of curiosity but that's probably it for most people. what you just said is like saying "lactose free milk was never for people who are lactose intolerant" lol
Colton 08.06.22	the main demographic of plant based meat is people who used to eat meat but stopped
IsisScript80 08.06.22	^ Yeah, as a vegetarian for 7 1/2 years, that definitely applies to me. There's these strange ideas floating about that vegetarians/vegans actively dislike the taste of meat... that, I'm sure in the vast majority of cases, isn't true. It's a personal ethics issue, not whether the taste is bad.
Pikazilla 08.06.22	I had steak last night, was delish
PotsyTater 08.06.22	Antichrist u are lame bud
IsisScript80 08.06.22	"I had steak last night, was delish" I wouldn't doubt that.
Zeuzo 08.06.22	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxs_mTRjLAU
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	If you are vegetarian for ethics then why are you not vegan? Religious ethics or
Colton 08.06.22	cause it’s way easier to be a vegetarian than a vegan
IsisScript80 08.06.22	^ Basically, that's it. But specifically @GhandiLion: Because as much as I would like to be, there's always some caveat where what you're doing "isn't quite vegan" or some such. Eating out for example, is difficult enough... always having to double check ingredients on the menu (and even then, most of it has to be taken on trust... I've come across many establishments that are unaware of what constitutes "vegetarian" in regards to things like pesto or cheese). Inevitably, I've also seen in front of me, people who call themselves "vegan", yet wear leather boots or (unwittingly or not) consume something that I know for a fact, isn't vegan. It's an actual minefield if you aim to be 100% (which if I were to define "vegan", I would). For me personally, I just have to compromise/own the half-arsed hypocracies and just classify myself as vegetarian. I consider it better than not being so (as in... a start).
BaselineOOO 08.06.22	I am "almost vegan", I only eat fish once or twice a week. Reasons: -animal products are disgusting (don't care about animal abuse, pollution, etc.) -my religion is vegan (Christianity) -it's by far the healthiest diet Oh yeah, and I do use leather products, so only my diet is close to veganism.
Colton 08.06.22	idk I used to think veganism/vegetarianism was the healthiest but since I started eating meat again I'm in the best shape of my life and feel better than ever. but idk if it's because I'm eating meat again or just because my protein intake is a lot higher now. it's really hard to get a lot of protein without meat, a lot harder than people admit
GhandhiLion 08.06.22	"there's always some caveat where what you're doing isn't quite vegan" This is true, mistakes are common and eating plants 'isn't quite vegan'. (Indirect deaths from crops and transport) But I wouldn't say that the impossibility of perfection is a reason to abandon vegan ethics and start deliberately purchase cow milk etc "people who call themselves "vegan", yet wear leather boots or (unwittingly or not)" There's a high chance that the boots they were wearing were purchased before they decided to become vegan. The only ethical argument I can think of for that not being vegan is that you are helping normalise the use of animal skin. It's a grey area, personally I think that's a weak argument.
SharkTooth 08.06.22	ethics are a spook embrace your egos
ReefaJones 08.06.22	Does eating your mom's pussy count as vegan?
YoYoMancuso 08.06.22	why are you like this
sonictheplumber 08.06.22	vegan is crap
SharkTooth 08.06.22	show of hands who in this thread eats ass?
IsisScript80 08.06.22	"But I wouldn't say that the impossibility of perfection is a reason to abandon vegan ethics and start deliberately purchase cow milk etc" Yeah, that is true. As I basically said , vegetarianism is only a step in the ethical direction, not the overall endpoint. There are many failings to it... I'm well aware and offer no excuses for it. In terms of a individual's personal classification of themselves, it really is just how you label it... a vegan who misses the mark is objectively (at least), vegetarian, despite what they call themselves. Vegetarianism, was for me, a baseline choice as a former omnivore. It's not as good as being vegan, but sits better with me than pescatarianism or the way I was before. I call myself vegetarian because that's what I am. My partner and child aren't vege/vegan, and I have no aim to convert or change their behaviour, nor does it affect my love and respect for them... it was a decision for myself, based on the minimum standard I felt comfortable with for myself, personally, at that stage.
Hyperion1001 08.06.22	this is a music website
IsisScript80 08.06.22	^ That it is. "Does eating your mom's pussy count as vegan?" Yes, I suppose it does. Enjoy!
0range 08.06.22	cool thread
sonictheplumber 08.06.22	love me some burgers
Gnocchi 08.06.22	Oysters are vegan
MO 08.06.22	Gonna fire up some steaks tonight yea
FR33L0RD 08.06.22	Not a big beef eater but does love my peperoni pizza or cheeseburger.
BaselineOOO 08.07.22	"it's really hard to get a lot of protein without meat, a lot harder than people admit" It's literally the easiest shit ever, lol wtf.
kevbogz 08.07.22	wait lol someone said that ?
Colton 08.07.22	you have to eat a lot of food. big ass bowls of beans and lentils and shit. it's not easy if you don't have a big appetite at all times
Colton 08.07.22	if you require a high protein diet that is, not for everyone
gschwen 08.07.22	“that's essentially the entire idea of plant based meat” You don’t have to look hard for vegetarians questioning why they’d want to eat a meat analogue when they’re, you know, vegetarians.
Colton 08.07.22	I can see how that argument might make sense if you either don't know what being a vegetarian even means or don't understand the purpose behind it. it's not because people don't like the taste of meat lmao, I shouldn't have to explain this to ppl
BaselineOOO 08.07.22	Peanuts, almonds, pistachio, cashew, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, walnuts, hazelnuts, oats, soybeans, tofu are all very high protein vegan snacks that can be cooked into tasty meals. If you include vegetarian foods then protein is even easier to acquire from eggs, milk and dairies. I fail to see why anyone would aim for more than 80-100g of protein in their diet daily, even if they're body builders. You're referring to people with health problems or something?
Dedes 08.07.22	I imagine being vegan is only difficult from a literal level because it's not exactly cost efficient if you are looking to stay healthy imo The cheapest foods are like, potatoes, rice, cabbage, chicken breasts, and oats. The only cheap high protein vegan option amongst those would p much be oats. I think it's still certainly possible but I could, at the very least, see why it would get immensely boring. For the record I am neither vegan nor vegetarian and I think that ethically raised meat is probably the best way to go.
Colton 08.07.22	almost all of those besides soybeans and tofu are not especially high in protein at all. 300 calories of almonds has 11 grams of protein. that's not a particularly good ratio. beans/legumes are better per calorie but you have to eat so many of them to actually get a good amount of protein, that's the problem. also lol at anyone who just throws out a blanket number of 100 grams of protein a day.... that's just patently false and shows you don't know what you're talking about
Colton 08.07.22	I was eating around 100 grams of protein as a vegetarian for literally 6 years, started eating meat again and upping my intake to around 150-160 grams and almost instantly got stronger and started recovering faster without changing anything in my workout routine
Dedes 08.07.22	@baseline for a standard 170lb male (a narrow number and req) like 60-70 is fine iirc but weights and muscle mass vary so greatly. Hell even the smaller bodybuilders I follow consume at least like 120 just to maintain their mass.
Trebor. 08.07.22	vegan is super cheap if you cook and stick to the basics. A block of tofu is like a dollar fifty and most beans are a dollar a can and even cheaper if you buy them raw and in bulk. A do a spicy braised tofu/rice/broccoli bowl three times a week that's a couple dollars per serving
Colton 08.07.22	in terms of price I think it's pretty doable, you just have to have a big appetite to eat all that food. sometimes I have it in me to wolf down a can of chickpeas but usually I don't. tofu is also pretty processed and unnatural so having to rely on it is not a good thing imo
Trebor. 08.07.22	Tell that to all the 100 year olds in Asia eating tofu every day
GhandhiLion 08.07.22	Most foods are unnatural. Why is tofu not a good thing in your opinion?
Colton 08.07.22	you don't need to have a ton of unnatural foods in your diet. whole foods really are the best. I'm not saying you can't have any unnatural stuff but if you have to rely on it to get enough of a vital nutrient then your diet is not optimal. it's like when people say getting enough protein on a vegan diet is easy cause you can just take two scoops of vegan protein every day. the fact that you have to do that tells you that your diet isn't ideal
Colton 08.07.22	tofu is pretty good though I fuck with it. but surely if you're designing a diet from scratch for the purpose of optimizing health, you should be choosing whole foods, I don't think that's controversial
Trebor. 08.07.22	What science is what you're saying based on? I can't stand this new-age Western health shit that totally goes against how the rest of the world eats
GhandhiLion 08.07.22	whole foods is absolutely not new age health shit lol. That would be something like organic produce or the carnivore diet :^) I don't see how tofu is radically nutritiously inferior to something like tempeh
Colton 08.07.22	you're asking for proof of the notion that eating natural unprocessed foods is healthier than processed foods? my guy. it's honestly just common knowledge. natural foods are more nutrient dense meaning you get more vitamins and minerals which is linked to reduced risk of disease and better health in more ways than I could possibly list here. much lower intake of trans fats, sugar and sodium as well. tofu isn't actually too bad in that regard, I just don't think having to rely on it for protein indicates a long term healthy diet
GhandhiLion 08.07.22	"I just don't think having to rely on it for protein indicates a long term healthy diet" yes, why?
Colton 08.07.22	see everything I said in that comment before that part lol. but also tofu's really not that bad for you it's basically just beans. but eating whole foods will always give you a more balanced intake of nutrients that's easier for your body to digest. also the fact that it doesn't have the best amino acid profile. this is getting away from my original point tho
Dedes 08.07.22	"Amino Acid profile" Making it sound like a Linkedin profile lmao
PunkerBlast 08.07.22	Have people tried to profit off of vegans, in a sinister way? Ok everything after this is going to be serious. One of my friends I don't see anymore went full vegan and this was several years ago. I think by now you can get your proteins and do it right if you really are committed. I've had had plant based burgers too. It wasn't quite meat but it wasn't bad. I say if that is your choice, go for it. And do what you think is best for yourself. I.........I can't FEINT. [i]I can't feel... Don't turn your back on me I won't be ignored Damn my ubcodes didn't work. But I feel like if Linkin Park was still around they coulda did a Linkedin thing, like Wu-tang and talking about diversifying your profiles. Time won't heal... Don't turn your back on me I won't be ignored[/i]
Egarran 08.07.22	Ubcodes don't work in lists. It's a shame, but probably for the best.
PunkerBlast 08.07.22	My post would have worked better if ubcodes worked. I gave up on it when I realized it didn't. It would have been funnier an continued to be more serious after that with some humor though about diversifying.
Egarran 08.07.22	Well, you can code your heart out in the review threads.
ToastSandwich1 08.07.22	I'm a vegan of four years ya... living in Montréal. Haven't heard a good argument against veganism tbh. I read a few books in 2018 and watched a few debates and was like damn why do vegans have to be so logically sound. Watching the antivegans in my family get gout one by one is quite funny too.
DeadGuy 08.07.22	I'm selling your dog to a Chinese restaurant
hobblepot 08.07.22	I'm trying to cut down on meat but I just started weight training so now I'm having to pound that shit down. Once I am a big boi I'll cut it out for sure
BaselineOOO 08.08.22	@ToastSandwich1- That's because there isn't any good argument against veganism, hell, there are too few good arguments in favor of meat consumption. It's mostly just cognitive dissonance driven arguments from non vegans enjoying the taste of animal products. At the same time veganism can be a fad and many low IQ people are attracted to it, giving the movement a bad image. Eh, who cares? Imagine drinking milk from another animal's body as an adult and pretending you're the normal one lmao.
Pheromone 08.08.22	BasedlineOOO
Egarran 08.08.22	Us non-milk drinkers feel really smug these days. Apparently it's super expensive. And rice milk is excellent for smoothies. If you come for my cheese I will cut you.
notagenius 08.08.22	vegetarian for six months and was later taken to hospital. Severe anaemia.
ReefaJones 08.08.22	I only need milk for my coffee. Some oat milk brands come close but it's best with normal milk
Anthracks 08.08.22	not vegan or vegetarian but diet is currently like 80% fruit and veg. that might be the furthest i'll go. it's not even meat i need necessarily but the dairy and seafood. only meat i consistently eat is chicken.
sonictheplumber 08.08.22	i dont understand baseline bitch is a conservative but she's living on the goddamn klaus schwab NWO diet
sonictheplumber 08.08.22	vegan is crap dude eat a fuckin steak death to fake milk too lol why would you want some almond shite. you think cows give a fuck that we jerk them off to get milk?
sonictheplumber 08.08.22	love me some burgers
Colton 08.08.22	love how I give arguments against veganism and they just ignore them and go "there's no argument against it!" reality is everyone's diet should be tailored to their own specific needs based on your lifestyle. no diet is optimal for everyone. veganism might work great for some people but for a lot of people it's far from optimal and there's several valid reasons not to do it
vult 08.08.22	Sonictheplumber with some elementary school levels of troll effort. Resorting to repeating himself to get a reaction. My wife was vegetarian for 15 years and went vegan 2 years ago. Optimizing nutrient intake can be challenging but restructuring an entire diet isn’t easy. As Colton said, peoples bodies are different and what might work for one person might not for another. This doesn’t even take into account allergies, celiac, diabetes, etc which can further restrict someone’s ability to eat a balanced diet.
Egarran 08.08.22	I swear something bad happened to sonic. We should not be too harsh.
sonictheplumber 08.08.22	love me some burgers
FRONZ 08.08.22	VEGANISM IS UNSUSTAINABLE AND GENERALLY NOT HEALTHY. ALL MEAT IS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE - WE ARE SUPPOSED TO EAT MEAT. I RECOMMEND LOOKING UP JORDAN AND MIKHEALA PETERSON FOR GUIDANCE IF U ARE INTERESTED
ArsMoriendi 08.08.22	I love eating meat but lol at using Jordan Peterson as a reference
sonictheplumber 08.08.22	clean your room bro
Colton 08.08.22	never trust anyone who tells you not to eat vegetables and fruit
BaselineOOO 08.08.22	Meat eaters are simply lame, but so are nu-vegans. Complaining that vegan "meats" and almond/rice/soy/whatever milk are not as tasty or healthy as the real deal. What if I told you that as a vegan you should find new vegan recipes instead of trying to re-create meat-based dishes. Even on specialized vegan forums all they talk about is vegan hamburgers and wursts. Like wtf if you are a real vegan you should be disgusted by things that taste like meat and milk, not actively being nostalgic about them for the rest of your life. Be a real vegan, find and invent your unique vegan foods.
Colton 08.08.22	you're nowhere near as good at trolling as you think you are
BaselineOOO 08.08.22	sonictheplumber is wrong about everything except one thing. I agree, all these "vegan milks" are basically trash juices - 10% flour/syrup and 90% added water with sugar. Imagine following a diet as radical as veganism but still being addicted to faux-milks and sugar, lmao. Drink some fresh orange juice or tomato juice instead. Don't get me wrong, I believe all people on this planet are stupid. Vegans are right, but they're dumb as fuck. Yet still, meat eaters are wrong and unsaveable. Look, if you study the digestive system of humans at school maybe you should think about it for 10 seconds and realize we are anatomically herbivorous. I mean you cannot be scientific about it "evolution this, evolution that" and then seriously say humans are omnivores, right? Colton shut up pls @Colton: Whatever you say mr "I need 250g of protein a day to feel better".
sonictheplumber 08.08.22	baseline why dont you eat my sausage farts
BaselineOOO 08.08.22	I would if you had a real job, unfortunately for you I don't date plumbers.
ArsMoriendi 08.08.22	I don’t want to put tomato juice in my cereal baseline My household drinks oatmilk since two people who live win the house have high cholesterol, it’s not only about veganism 🤷‍♂️
ReefaJones 08.08.22	Tomato juice is fucking disgusting. People drink that shit?
Colton 08.08.22	very safe to say baseline does not live a lifestyle that actually requires a high protein intake or would have any way of understanding how much protein is needed to facilitate certain goals lol
BaselineOOO 08.08.22	I didn't ask you about your American problems ArsMoriendi. Cereal in the morning is such a silly, lazy and unhealthy routine. Oat milk tastes nice I guess, but it's mostly water, so all-in-all a waste of money.
BaselineOOO 08.08.22	Colton... you never cease to amaze me. I want to be your friend, so let me tell you how it is, the truth, because I respect you as a sputniker. Protein is overrated by meat-eaters who desperately cling to the only "advantage" their dead animal food has over the scientifically superior vegan diet. Your protein to calorie argument stands has some value only if a high protein diet is desirable, which is not. (see below) https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2021.655833/full https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6562018/ Not to mention the quality of proteins drops considerably with cooking at high temperatures, especially on grill and in the oven (there are plenty of studies to back this up if you're interested). There's a bigger chance you'd get more quality protein from kiwis than from cooked meat lol.
Colton 08.08.22	"Dietary protein restriction orchestrates a whole organismal physiological response to stimulate energy intake and EE. The low protein induced thermogenesis is largely driven by dietary protein content and less likely by the concurrent hyperphagia. Though the liver and brain appear to be the primary sites for sensing protein deficiency, the coordination of these tissues with intestinal sensing mechanisms to promote hyperphagia and thermogenesis remains poorly understood. Although liver driven FGF21 seems essential for stimulating EE in response to protein or amino acid restricted diets, the role of local FGF21 synthesized and released from BAT, skeletal muscle and gut in the thermogenic responses to low protein diets remains to be determined. Further, the roles of systemic and local amino acid concentrations, as well as sympathetic and serotonergic signaling in brain, adipose and muscle tissues to coordinate intake and expenditure responses to dietary protein restriction remains largely unexplored. A deeper understanding of the neuroendocrine mechanisms by which dietary protein dilution modulates energy balance may lead to the development of novel strategies for preventing and treating obesity and associated comorbidities in humans, as well as for improving production efficiency in domestic animals." lol at you thinking this proves anything you've said in this thread or goes against anything I said
BaselineOOO 08.08.22	Yeah yeah, I've read those studies a hundred times and know them by heart, which is why I have added the second argument in the comment above, that protein from cooked meat is quite probably the worst source of protein out there.
Colton 08.08.22	some people need more protein than they can acquire with a vegetarian or vegan diet. for those people, they will benefit from eating meat because it will allow them to get more protein much more easily. this should not be controversial it's just common sense
BaselineOOO 08.08.22	Then you should explain to us why humans are anatomically herbivore.
Colton 08.08.22	meat and animal products have higher amino acid levels than plant protein which makes them more effective for muscle growth/maintenance and strength
Colton 08.08.22	Humans have a trophic level of 2.21 (same as anchovy and pigs).[4]Anchovy subsist primarily on zooplankton.[5]Pigs are omnivores. Animals with such a trophic level can subsist on a widely varied diet.
BaselineOOO 08.08.22	omgggg not in all species, not in all SPECIES! There were these experiments with a gorilla back in 2006 where they fed her meat and she shrunk and withered like she was about to die. It's all about the digestive system HOLYYYY SHIT I'M DONE HERE NOW I'M MAD. Who asked you about trophic levels, wow... ANSWER this questions, are humans not herbivore ANATOMICALLY?
Colton 08.08.22	your argument isn't even relevant though because I'm literally just saying that the optimal diet for any individual depends on the specific needs and goals of that individual
Colton 08.08.22	if you need a high protein intake, veganism might be difficult for you because you have to eat a much larger quantity of food. if you can sit down and eat big ass bowls of beans every day then more power to you but not everyone can. this is why you need to design your own diet that pertains to your own lifestyle and appetite
BaselineOOO 08.08.22	You definitely have the right amount of protein to annoy me, if that is your goal. Just enjoy your meat, I'm done here. I don't even care anymore
Colton 08.08.22	vegans: being a vegan is the only correct diet! there's no argument against it!! non-vegan: well it really depends on the individual, some people need a lot of protein and have a hard time getting it without meat so for them it's better to eat meat vegan: omg noooooo i'm so mad
BaselineOOO 08.08.22	Look, let's just conclude that humans can live quite well, regardless of their diet, if they are minimally educated not to eat horrible foods. (You and everybody else will come around to veganism maybe when it's government imposed for us all due to environmental concerns and so on.)
Colton 08.08.22	you know I was a vegetarian for 6 years and a vegan on and off for like a year and a half right? I've actually tried all three diets being discussed here and weighed the pros and cons and yes that first sentence of your last comment is true but also a colossal goalpost shift lmao
BaselineOOO 08.08.22	It's not a goalpost shit Colton. You avoided all I said about the quality of cooked protein at high temperatures and didn't recognize the fact that humans are anatomically herbivores. You will never climb any stairs if you skip so many steps.
ReefaJones 08.08.22	I'm for governmental imposed veganism for climate reasons. Until then I'll eat meat just because I like the taste
Colton 08.08.22	1) cooking protein at high temperatures has nothing to do with people needing meat to get the amount of protein they need. you also ignored the superior amino acid profile of animal products compared to plant products 2) humans being anatomically herbivores doesn't relate to my argument either and it's also really obvious that humans are omnivores if you do like one second of critical thinking. the notion that we should model ourselves after the animals that we're biologically related to is a poorly thought out fallacy
ReefaJones 08.08.22	I mean chimps eat meat and that's about as close to a human as you can get
Colton 08.08.22	gorillas and bonobos don't eat a lot of meat. but it's not even relevant. humans can be healthy on both vegan diets and non vegan diets which shows you that we're omnivores. that's literally the definition, the fact that there are biological similarities between the structure of the human body and the structure of herbivore animal bodies means nothing. literally just try different diets and see what works for your particular needs and don't let anyone try to radicalize you into thinking there's one specific diet that's objectively correct for everybody
ReefaJones 08.08.22	No one serious even argues against the notion that we are omnivores lmao it's not even a controversial topic
sonictheplumber 08.08.22	baseline is so insufferable and mentally unstable im starting to want to have sex with her
Colton 08.08.22	it's funny because I'm actually supporting veganism in these comments. if you don't need a lot of protein, it might work great for you. you'll be getting a lot of nutrients if you eat healthy foods and not just oreos and you'll probably have good heart health. even if you do need a lot of protein, veganism might still work for you, if you have the appetite and commitment to get that much protein on a vegan diet. in spite of saying these things, because I acknowledge that there are certain people who would benefit from a non vegan diet, vegans get mad. it's a cult-like mentality of "you're either with us or against us. you need to argue that veganism is objectively right in all scenarios"
Colton 08.08.22	to be fair a lot of meat eaters are just as preachy and make the same sweeping generalizations of "non vegan diets are right, vegan diets are wrong." it's dumb from both sides
sonictheplumber 08.08.22	i am masturbating to baseline
Dedes 08.09.22	I have read only a small number of posts by Baseline but in impressive fashion each one renders approximately 1/4th of my brain molecules committing towards cell death Whatever diet keeps you healthy and feeling well just fucking do it, meat or no meat. Why boil it down to hyper specific pseudo-science bullshit. For the average non-athlete non-body building population only half of this information is actually important anyway.
beefshoes 08.09.22	Vegan for 2 years but thinking about eating meat (just fish) for health reasons. Kinda struggle getting iron with the diet I have, and because of Crohns, my gut doesn't tolerate nuts, beans, and other lentils without causing serious pain.
Senetrix666 08.09.22	I’m all for limiting beef production to curb CO2 emissions but Baseline you are making vegans look really bad rn lmao
Dedes 08.09.22	Tbf I wouldn't even say as much as that, I am sure that this is not emblematic of how preachy a standard vegan actually is. Hell, I have a fairly meat-based consumption and I highly doubt 90 percent of vegans would come down with the crucifix for that reason. Beyond anything, simply he looks bad because imo it's an ill-informed and especially preachy standpoint. The more you shit on people for their lifestyles the less likely they will ever even consider converting to a new one.
BaselineOOO 08.09.22	"I’m all for limiting beef production to curb CO2 emissions but Baseline you are making vegans look really bad rn lmao" Considering I'm not vegan, thx! I'm at work right now, licking my fingers after eating a tasty trout fillet steak in sea buckthorn sauce. My main point is that vegans, no matter how full of shit they are, are still superior to meat-eaters from a scientific stance. Non vegans are all about "mAh tAsTe" and individualism, kinda chaotic and impertinent, but mainly disgusting. It's technically cleaner to eat your girl's ass than consume dairy. I'm just saying.
JeremiahBullfrog 08.09.22	Eating meat is as natural as being born. How we go about getting the meat due to the demand and lack of will to pay a higher price, is unnatural. It is Auschwitz for animals, it's cruel. But animals are fucking DELICIOUS, there isn't a vegan burger in the world thats comparing to a good old meat burger, and if you're trying to say that there is, cope harder. And on a final note, kids should "meet their meat" - a lot of people think their meat magically appears in the supermarket, and should be educated on the process from start to finish. Also if you know in your heart of hearts you couldn't kill that animal to eat it, you shouldn't be eating meat.
BaselineOOO 08.09.22	"Eating meat is as natural as being born." Yes, I am gonna go hunt for squirrels later tonight and eat them raw, cause it's natural. It is not natural, without fire/heat you're anatomically incapable of digesting raw meat properly. What's the median IQ of this website HOLY SHIT. "It is Auschwitz for animals, it's cruel." No it's not, I'm a girl and I do not say dumb emotional things like this. It is more useful to domesticate, feed and breed animals than to hunt for them daily. It's a matter of efficiency. "But animals are fucking DELICIOUS, there isn't a vegan burger in the world thats comparing to a good old meat burger, and if you're trying to say that there is, cope harder." Again, only low IQ vegans try to re-create meat-like dishes. So comparing a hamburger with real meat with a vegan hamburger is lazy as fuck. You're just an airhead arguing with yourself right now. "But animals are fucking DELICIOUS" Really? Try eating any meat unseasoned, without salt, spices, sauces etc. Enjoy the taste. Anyway, this is what meat-eating boils down to: "mAh TaStE". Nothing else matters, hence why everybody ignores the science when talking about diet, cause it's a "personal" thing.
BaselineOOO 08.09.22	Just another thread in which meat-eaters bombed a cultivated vegan thread with their non-arguments. You're the majority, you make the rules, there's no debate, it will never be. I've got it.
JeremiahBullfrog 08.09.22	Baseline who hurt you girl xxxxx
BaselineOOO 08.09.22	I don't know... you did, just now!
JeremiahBullfrog 08.09.22	Imagine a world in which vegans were likeable and stable, I reckon way more people would be on board.
JeremiahBullfrog 08.09.22	"But animals are fucking DELICIOUS" Really? Try eating any meat unseasoned, without salt, spices, sauces etc. Enjoy the taste. Anyway, this is what meat-eating boils down to: "mAh TaStE". Nothing else matters, hence why everybody ignores the science when talking about diet, cause it's a "personal" thing. - Yes I also saw that Morrissey interview on Jonathon Ross. Big fan.
BaselineOOO 08.09.22	Yeah, a world where everyone argues about taste instead of science. Beautiful. wishful eyes
JeremiahBullfrog 08.09.22	Also if you look at my final point, I'm more on your side than most meat eaters ever would be. But anyways I AM just arguing with myself at this point lol. Finna check some Black Metal out, goodbye.
BaselineOOO 08.09.22	Gonna watch that Morrissey interview. Haven't heard him outside of his music ever actually.
JeremiahBullfrog 08.09.22	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZDI4PIq8_s & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14mEx0Wa2K4
ReefaJones 08.09.22	"Yes, I am gonna go hunt for squirrels later tonight and eat them raw, cause it's natural. It is not natural, without fire/heat you're anatomically incapable of digesting raw meat properly. What's the median IQ of this website HOLY SHIT." It's called evolution dummy. Fire allowed us to cook our meat which also means we don't need sharp canine teeth to rip out the flesh from a dead animal. None of that points to us being herbivores. It just shows that your mind can't even grasp a concept as simple as this.
GhandhiLion 08.09.22	Yeah we aren't herbivores. It's usually only vegans (sadly) that say something so ridiculous and she isn't even vegan. It's meaningless to the topic of whether animals have moral worth or rights so I'm not sure why so many people want it to be true. Naturalistic arguments are stupid.
kevbogz 08.09.22	anyone follow liver king
BaselineOOO 08.09.22	"So, just like our Paleolithic ancestors, I am injecting grams of exogenous anabolic hormones, prohormones, steroids, peptides, and other drugs to enhance my physique and performance." - Gimmick King
GhandhiLion 08.09.22	Good lolcow
kevbogz 08.09.22	liverking here
Egarran 08.09.22	FYI whole cow's milk contains about 87% water.
IsisScript80 08.09.22	Thread's fucked beyond all hope.
SomeCallMeTim 08.09.22	I ate a vegan cake once
ToastSandwich1 08.09.22	I said I haven't heard 'good' arguments against veganism lmao. Still haven't. If you need 250 g of protein per day, you are probably consuming protein powder of some kind. Just drink the vegan version. If you are getting 250 g of protein from meat, dairy, and eggs - may god help your circulatory system.
ToastSandwich1 08.09.22	Unsweetened silk soy milk is the GOAT. FR tho all u dairy queens, imagine putting ur lips around a cow's udder and drinking warm milk.
SomeCallMeTim 08.09.22	sounds tasty
BaselineOOO 08.09.22	Consuming dairy is disgusting indeed, but at least cows are kinda cute. I've read so many articles that governments are preparing to mass produce dog milk for the plebs. Also I looked into why pig milk isn't a thing, and the main reason is that it's difficult to farm because pigs get aggressive when they're milked lmao, not that it's disgusting. Imagine sucking fluids out of a fat-ass pig. Fucking unreal... Carnivores would literally put anything in their body, which explains the paradox why most vegans are conservatives. You'd expect for vegans to be progressive liberals, well - WRONG! 90% of American vegans are republicans. Apparently the trait of "disgust" is strongly linked to conservative ideals. So these "progressive" guys pretend to care about the environment, minority rights and so on, but when it comes to food they're literally okay with enslaving and sacrificing billion of innocent lives to satisfy their taste. Yikes! "Unsweetened silk soy milk is the GOAT." Anything soy-based is godlike.
SomeCallMeTim 08.09.22	eggs
JeremiahBullfrog 08.09.22	Vegans mustering their limited strength to throw their little anaemic fists
BaselineOOO 08.09.22	This is how eggs form... https://freefromharm.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/eggs-hen-ovary-2.jpg https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S2405844022000305-gr5.jpg https://api.intechopen.com/media/chapter/41721/media/image1.jpeg
JeremiahBullfrog 08.09.22	I was vegan for 3 years, I naturally teeter on the verge of being anaemic and it was doing me no favours, by the end my vision was blurry and I could hardly feel my toes lmao. Plus Carls Jr is too good.
BaselineOOO 08.09.22	I'm pretty sure vegan doesn't mean eating fries and chips instead of healthy dinners btw. Morrissey and Juaquin Phoenix have been vegan since 11 and they look quite healthy.
JeremiahBullfrog 08.09.22	No admittedly I wasn't eating as helathy as i should have been. Lost a ton of weight. Morrissey is one thicc boi.
JeremiahBullfrog 08.09.22	If the over the top meat-eaters / vegans were referring to ones religion or spiritual beliefs the way they attack each others diet it would be a hate crime.
SomeCallMeTim 08.09.22	"This is how eggs form..." nice
BaselineOOO 08.09.22	Jeremy, look, I would never attack anyone if they just admitted they are wrong and allow vegans to change society into a dietary utopia. Just consume meat and dairy and other disgusting things bad for your health while it's still legal and support the vegan movement any way you can, for this planet's sake. It isn't hard to do and it's better than trying to demolish veganism with pseudo-science and your personal failed attempts at being vegan/vegetarian.
SomeCallMeTim 08.09.22	holy shit lol
JeremiahBullfrog 08.09.22	Baseline and I have divorced. We would appreciate privacy for lour family at this time.
tectactoe 08.09.22	Not remotely vegan or vegetarian, though I think if forced to go vegetarian, I could do it. My diet has a ton of cheese, eggs, salad, nuts, and vegetables already. And I do eat things like Boca burgers every so often - not for the veganism or 'substitution' of meat, I genuinely think they taste good and unique. Not sure I could go full vegan, though. I "around" 3000-3500 kcal/day and also have a borderline high blood sugar level. So the "meat" of many vegan diets I only eat in moderation because I limit carbohydrates to a certain degree. Thinks like beans, potatoes, rice, etc. And eating that many calories of just 'leafy greens' would be awful.
Colton 08.09.22	“ I said I haven't heard 'good' arguments against veganism lmao. Still haven't. If you need 250 g of protein per day, you are probably consuming protein powder of some kind. Just drink the vegan version. If you are getting 250 g of protein from meat, dairy, and eggs - may god help your circulatory system” when you’re so desperate for a point to make that you just create an arbitrary number of 250g of protein a day that nobody even said
BaselineOOO 08.09.22	You're biased. I have proof. Colton 2 years ago via twitter: "Is it a coincidence that vegan and virgin have the same number of letters? I don't think so."
Colton 08.09.22	the ppl here saying "may god help your circulatory system" probably don't even work out lmao
SomeCallMeTim 08.09.22	eat cocaine and snort steak
GhandhiLion 08.09.22	" 90% of American vegans are republicans" source https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/11/22/american-dietary-preferences-are-split-across-party-lines
tectactoe 08.09.22	My weakness and what I've really been trying to work on is less pre-packaged and processed stuff. Problem is that with the amount of food I eat in a given day + full-time work + two kids + gym 4x/ week, my "free time" is remarkably small and I often don't want to spend it preparing food and lazily opt for shit I can just heat up in the microwave or even eat as-is, like lunch meat. But I've been trying to get away from that as much as possible, even if it means using the pressure cooker to cook frozen chicken breasts or something, still an improvement. Funny thing is, I actually enjoy cooking and am quite good at it. I just have neither the time nor energy to do it most days.
ToastSandwich1 08.09.22	''High cholesterol/saturated fats don't increase your chances of developing heart disease'' Source: just trust me bro et al. Just consume the soy and vegan protein powder and you'll be a big boi. No animals exploited and abused, and much better for the environment/society. The world can't sustain current meat consumption rates for long.
JWT155 08.09.22	Nothing like eating at a fine steakhouse on the company dime.
Colton 08.09.22	science regarding that is very conflicted, you can find two studies that have pretty much completely opposite conclusions. regardless, you can eat meat without getting a lot of saturated fat. chicken, turkey and fish don't have a lot. and eating meat can allow you to get more protein than you could without it, which can benefit your health in other ways. it's a much more nuanced issue than "meat gives you heart disease and is bad for you"
GhandhiLion 08.09.22	"you can find two studies that have pretty much completely opposite conclusions." That doesn't mean that the science is conflicted. You have to look at the totality of evidence.
Minortimbo12 08.09.22	Chickens will give eggs no matter what, and cows NEED to be milked.
GhandhiLion 08.09.22	your mum needs to be milked
Colton 08.09.22	the science is conflicted because there are many different studies that come to completely different conclusions…
GhandhiLion 08.09.22	The science is conflicted about which link exactly? ldl cholesterol and coronary heart disease?
KevinKC 08.09.22	Vegetarianism, Veganism = eating disorders. Case closed, we can move on to a healthier world.
Colton 08.09.22	conflicted in regards to the exact link between cholesterol and heart disease, how much cholesterol is needed to actually have an effect if any, how this differs based on demographics and biological factors, and how significant the effect is relative to other lifestyle factors like activity level. to ignore the nuances of this and just say "cholesterol gives you heart disease" is very disingenuous
GhandhiLion 08.09.22	ToastSandwich1 implied that high cholesterol increases your CHANCES of heart disease. Not simply "cholesterol gives you heart disease". I don't see how the nuances you listed are relevant to what toast wrote (though there may be others). The causal link between ldl-c and heart disease has been demonstrated.
GhandhiLion 08.09.22	https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/38/32/2459/3745109#usercomments Here's a consensus statement (I linked to the comments as the authors left one) showing the link between ldl-c and ASCVD. It might satisfy some of your questions as well: CTRL + f : "Evidence from inherited disorders of lipid metabolism'" CTRL + f : "Evidence for the cumulative effect of exposure to LDL on ASCVD" all my homies hate statin deniers
BaselineOOO 08.10.22	GhandhiLion schooling Colton the official thread
Egarran 08.10.22	Do we have a conclusion ready yet?
gg901goody 10.22.22	I was vegan for 3 years until 2021 because of the environment, don't care at all if farmers stomp on cows or keep pigs trapped in metal bars, not my problem. the world went to shit so fuck it if some animals live tortured lives they taste absolutely amazing and the iron burst is amazing, i was totally deficient in the metal despite multivitamin and iron tablets and eating broc+peas+spinach all the time. and society hasn't banned it. Bloody steak and chips, lamb curry and naan, bacon and eggs on toast with butter, beef stew, sausages and burgers on a grill !! Chocolate was also nice after so long, my taste buds>your pretentious ethics. Most vegans I meet are just nasty perverts who use ethics to validate their existence else they'd kill themselves or something :)
gg901goody 10.22.22	Also your music taste is trash, you literally rate Aerosmith over Led Zeppelin II lmao
pollastrerostit 10.22.22	I am mostly vegetarian but will eat meat/fish if I go out sometimes
Keyblade 10.22.22	^ this except vegan
Frost15 10.22.22	Was a vegan for 6 years. Ended up completely fucked up. And yes, I supplemented B12, K2 and Omega 3. I was doing it more than right since I really wanted it to work but it didn't and it almost kills me in the end. I couldn't digest food my thyroid was completely destroyed and I weighted ridiculously low. I then started to eat meat and eggs again and in a year I had corrected most problems without any pills. Now I've been eating a 99% raw meat, organs, eggs, dairy, fruit diet for 3 years. I think the vegan agenda is a sinister plan that uses our empathy to denaturalize us, make us sick, infertile and dependant on pills. I had vegan friends losing their period and thinking that was normal... No joke. Modern nutrition is totally fucked up and hijacked by Big Pharma but I don't want to talk about it,just read Aajonus Vonderplanitz
Minortimbo12 10.22.22	Veganism origianated as two things: 1. Losing Weight (reasonable) 2. Protecting Animals (stupid - animals were killed for food since the beginning of time)
Colton 10.22.22	not true
Minortimbo12 10.22.22	I phrased that wrong
Minortimbo12 10.22.22	Veganism is currently based on those two things, along with everyone saying thats how you stay healthy
Colton 10.23.22	animals were not killed for food since the beginning of time, we obviously first ate the plants which were readily available and don’t require the creation of hunting tools or fire to cook with
GhandhiLion 10.23.22	I can't tell if half the comments in this thread are bait
BaselineOOO 10.23.22	Dairy consumption causes breast, bladder and colon cancer. Lowest breast and bladder cancer rates are in countries with low milk consumption/ lactose intolerant populations. Maybe not a good idea to ingest a ton of growth hormones made for other mammals?
Sharenge 10.23.22	life feeds on life
pollastrerostit 10.23.22	@Minortimbo12 "1. Losing Weight (reasonable) 2. Protecting Animals (stupid - animals were killed for food since the beginning of time)" incredibly wrong 1. you can be vegan and eat super unhealthy food, for example pasta and rice every day will make you gain weight 2. killing animals might be ok but what has grown out of control is huge macro farming which is not only cruel to animals by having them in very poor condition but also very detrimental to the environment, generates a lot of waste etc... don't wanna get into a big debate but just pointing out there's a big difference between an animal killed in the paleo and an animal that comes from such farms
Sharenge 10.23.22	what have we done
Egarran 10.23.22	So what happened to this antichrist?
Frost15 10.23.22	"Dairy consumption causes breast, bladder and colon cancer" That's pasteurized shit. Pasteurized dairy used to give me acne and all kinds of digestion issues, raw dairy doesn't. @pollastrerostit Right, industrial farming is terrible. I try to get all my meat from pasture raised animals or hunting.
BaselineOOO 10.23.22	' "Dairy consumption causes breast, bladder and colon cancer" That's pasteurized shit. Pasteurized dairy used to give me acne and all kinds of digestion issues, raw dairy doesn't. ' So only 99% of dairy found in medium/large cities, ah okay...
BaselineOOO 10.23.22	Netherlands is #1 in breast and bladder cancer for a reason followed by other dairy loving countries like Belgium, France, Denmark, New Zealand etc. If countries as wealthy and civilized as these are not able to control the quality of their dairy then I doubt it's worth taking any risk consuming that shit - unless you have access to pasture raised animals, which is kinda dumb anyway. There's a much easier solution, leave cows and other animals alone = profit. Why not milk your mother/spouse if you want milk? It's far safer and pretty much the same from a moral point of view.
Frost15 10.23.22	"So only 99% of dairy found in medium/large cities, ah okay..." The industrial modern world is unhealthy af. What a surprise! If we left cows alone they would extinguish. There is middle ground between industrially raised cows and the vegan fairy tale. Meat is a must for truly healthy human beings. I've seen it so many times I'm not even debating it. So much manipulation going on with the vegan agenda, like that Okinawans are vegan BS. All pushed by the anti-human agenda of Billy Gates and all those psychos.
CugnoBrasso 10.23.22	"Meat is a must for truly healthy human beings" O shit so that must be the reason why I fucking died last week
Frost15 10.23.22	Unhealthy people do not instantly die. They will just eat garbage slave foods like sugar, grains and caffeine to be productive and will develop all kinds of health issues that will lead them to depend on big pharma pills. They will live all their lives thinking that's the normal way of life, completely unaware of how different things could be...
Colton 10.23.22	I think it’s obvious dairy is bad for you from the way it tastes. nothing that good can be healthy, life just doesn’t work that way
Sharenge 10.23.22	8 BILLIONS IN A COUPLE DAYS, BROS we winnin'
MoM 10.23.22	“O shit so that must be the reason why I fucking died last week” Word? You okay?
sixdegrees 10.23.22	OP probably died, this was his final list
MoM 10.23.22	RIP 🪦
Trebor. 10.23.22	"Meat is a must for truly healthy human beings" vegetarians live longer on average so this can't be true. I don't know why meatheads hate facts so much
Sharenge 10.23.22	facing facts is hard when it comes to your own mortality
Trebor. 10.23.22	Food conspiracy theories really bother me, like westerns that are like MSG, soy, and seed oil will kill you, meanwhile billions of people in asia eat that shit every single day and outlive us by 10 years
MoM 10.23.22	I never know what to believe with food info. I just eat based on moderation and physical feeling and try my best. Everything else just feels like I’m being sold something
VlacDrac 10.23.22	"vegetarians live longer on average so this can't be true. I don't know why meatheads hate facts so much" Even though nutrition is important to having a healthy life, exercising is also a must, you can have the healthiest diet in the world but at the of the day, what use does it have if people keep on being couch potatos (pun somewhat intended)?
Frost15 10.23.22	"vegetarians live longer on average so this can't be true." That's not facts at all. You can find studies saying otherwise too. That's why I don't normally trust studies. Too often they are sponsored to confirm a certain bias or to promote some agenda. I like to reach conclusions by personal experimentation and research. I've met lots of elderly people and EVERY 95 plus person I've ever come across ate considerable amounts of meat. Actually their diets when they were kids would impress most people here. It's funny how much BS is spreaded nowadays when it comes to food and longevity, like the Okinawans being vegetarians, when they ate lots of raw pork and fish.
Colton 10.23.22	I’ve been a vegan and vegetarian for long periods of time and now I eat meat again so I feel like I’m pretty unbiased here and these are my main points to make 1) veganism is perfectly healthy if planned properly and if you put in enough work to make sure you’re getting enough calories, fat and protein 2) if you’re very active or lift a lot and need a high protein intake, veganism is hard. it’s possible but you gotta be willing to eat tons of beans and shit like that every day. I was a vegetarian from 18-24, and now I’m eating chicken again and I’m in the best shape of my life 3) despite that, it doesn’t mean veganism is worse, it’s just worse for certain people depending on their lifestyle and eating habits
VlacDrac 10.23.22	"3) despite that, it doesn’t mean veganism is worse, it’s just worse for certain people depending on their lifestyle and eating habits" /thread