Tundra: The "Sput Elitist" Starter Pack

ToSmokMuzyki 11.25.23	1. mechuggah sucks 2. 30% i am one with all the trv 3. lol what all mccore is stinky stinky ass 4. no all prog is in competition with mccore for smelliest bum 5. yes 6. helllllllllll noooooo
JohnnyoftheWell 11.25.23	10/10 list premise 2/10 cope take
rockarollacola 11.25.23	"Has high scores on 70s prog probably just for brownie points, we know you ain't actually listening to this regularly." THANK YOU. Anybody who says they sit casually listen to anything off Animals or Thick as a Brick is a fucking liar.
JohnnyoftheWell 11.25.23	tf Animals fucks and, among other things, is exactly the right tone and tempo for a casual lounge jam
Pangea 11.25.23	I mean yeah animals is a pretty easy listen
BAT 11.25.23	ulcerate and immolation
BaselineOOO 11.25.23	> 2023 > listens to metal/classical music > elitist go outside touch some grass
AsleepInTheBack 11.25.23	Animals is chill yeah what Close to the edge is chill as heck to what
Mort. 11.25.23	holy fuck is this what you think elitism is like hahahahaha
JohnnyoftheWell 11.25.23	tundra's version of plato's cave is a stunted side-chamber of the b-stream metal cave and it hurts my brain
zakalwe 11.25.23	He’s taking the piss morons.
Mort. 11.25.23	zak youre giving tundra way too much credit take your dementia medication i beg you
zakalwe 11.25.23	I was reffering to rocka, morons
Sinternet 11.25.23	ironically tundra is a textbook elitist who refuses to accept any opinions that aren't identical to his
Ectier 11.25.23	....also the metals the worst part of sleeptoken
ToSmokMuzyki 11.25.23	baseline u silly girl that is how u touch grass
Mort. 11.25.23	'I was reffering to rocka, morons' how the fuck is anyone supposed to know that when you commented below johnnys comment you stinky boi
bighubbabuddha 11.25.23	Animals is a reasonably fun listen, nah waaa
el_newg 11.25.23	i'd argue the opposite of 5. they need a few darling pop acts so they have cred for listening to a diverse range of music
Demon of the Fall 11.25.23	Aww, I’m a wannabe elitist but most of these points don’t apply to me Tell me how to be a better elitist. Show me the way, you seem to be an expert
Gameofmetal 11.25.23	only at 39% black metal gottem
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	if you logged off for even 5 seconds you would forget that "elitist gatekeepers" were something that blue-haired commie cutie you added from the dank memes facebook group told you to care about
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	and man converge? they were normie in 06 dude. meshuggah? hot topic. yes? stadium rock band your grandma saw in 1976 mayhem had a romantic comedy film about their existence for cryin out loud
Butkuiss 11.25.23	List doesn’t have Emery In Shallow Seas We Sail or Laura Stevenson; this is barely sputnikcore
Ryus 11.25.23	hell yeah
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	forgot the chair girl haha. laura queef and the cans
Ryus 11.25.23	it’s funny how these are all wrong
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	ah dude just glanced at this guys ratings. that explains it
GhandhiLion 11.25.23	I don't see how these are wrong
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	ive had people call me an elitist on the internet while i was sittin there listening to lynyrd skynyrd or tears for fears
normaloctagon 11.25.23	The first two entries here are on to something but after that the list kind of falls apart and takes the shape of cope
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	my hot topic sells meshuggah and mayhem shirts
normaloctagon 11.25.23	Hope we’re not throwing hot topic under the bus here boys that store rules
Butkuiss 11.25.23	Someone make an actual Sputnik canon list
Wildcardbitchesss 11.25.23	out of all the bands to have “pop” elements you really went with sleep token huh
evilford 11.25.23	Tundra still mad at meshuggah fans hahaha
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	well theres the 06-09 canon which is blackwater park, are you dead yet, as the roots undo, second stage turbine blade, the alchemy index, colors, either/or, that regina spektor record from 02... hmm. the holy bible?
Wildcardbitchesss 11.25.23	Am I a sput elitist if I think Meshuggah sucks but most other djent is much worse
evilford 11.25.23	Also 40% bm? Eww
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	hot goth chicks love black metal
Wildcardbitchesss 11.25.23	no evil is right, 40% is way too much black metal. They’re either goth girls or nazis, no in between
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	for both parties its the fancy clothing lol
JohnnyoftheWell 11.25.23	yeah sputcore has several waves. og phase is kidcrash/off minor/gospel/all the entryist picks sonic listed early 10s is the national/burial/bon iver/laura/etid/dillinger then there was the year where dfhvn and alcest were the only bands anyone jammed and metal spontaneously absorbed all the worst cliches post rock gave up with its dying breath late 10s is the hotelier/rolo tomassi/julien baker/chelsea wolfe and now it's just diluted rymcore with a filter for bad post punk and the occasional shithouse country and/or emo record thrown in, and an additional subset for metalcore
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	HAHA dude johnny's servin em up he even named bands i could picture their album cover and rating but couldnt remember the name. theres also the emo orchid and i think there was a band called hot cross if im not mistaken
Wildcardbitchesss 11.25.23	“for both parties its the fancy clothing lol” lmao I never realized how much they have in common
bighubbabuddha 11.25.23	am i an elitist is the question
chemicalmarriage 11.25.23	Laura queef and the cans lmao
JohnnyoftheWell 11.25.23	oh yeah orchid and hot cross both vital parts of the og canon also somehow missed out the dance gavin dance fever that was still v much burning through in the late 10s - apologies to the 50% of the site that's gonna have to chow their sigh of relief back down
botb 11.25.23	Show us on the doll where the user base touched you you fuckin crybaby dork
Kusangii 11.25.23	You forgot that they need to worship Ulcerate like it's the second coming of jesus bro!!!!!!!
Wildcardbitchesss 11.25.23	god dance gavin dance is fucking terrible. Somehow manages to be more irritating than any of the bands on this list
Anthracks 11.25.23	how bout cares more about the music taste of others and what others think of their music taste than just listening to fucking music and enjoying it
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	ya like itd be any fun at all to just listen to music without coming here to talk shit to people. are you high?
Anthracks 11.25.23	never been high
strayk 11.25.23	I think musical elitism often manifests as an obsession with what music represents or means in the context of other similar music, and an over-reliance on broad classifications like genres. Treating music listening as a pursuit of knowledge instead of focusing on how it makes you feel.
chemicalmarriage 11.25.23	I only like music that makes me feel better than everyone else
sixdegrees 11.25.23	I say and do all of this
JohnnyoftheWell 11.25.23	>are you high? >never been high fantastic thread and uh yeah the 2020-2022 dissoshit halitosis phase was real and happened whoops disagreed with the above in that there are plenty of people drawing quote-unquote elitist attitudes from their personal favs (not that i give a shit; this tends to be more fun to discuss), but yh a gruelling proportion of genre discourse has to do with how the 2-3 canonical albums everyone have heard exist at the expense of 90% of everything else that comes into discussion, and i hate this a ton. esp evident within shoegaze fandom
Anthracks 11.25.23	well it is of course rooted in some inordinate fragility of ego and serves for some to build the path to self-respect, hopefully to be discarded at a certain point
strayk 11.25.23	It's not about whether the elitism is drawn from personal favorites it's about why those albums become their favorites to begin with. If it's because of the way the music makes you feel then cool. If it's because of anything beyond that it's probably a short bridge from there to the realm of elitism. Ultimately if other people play a role in determining what you call your favorite music I think you're holding yourself back from getting everything out of music that it has to offer.
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	as a white dude ive just never experienced elitism/gatekeeping beyond remarks about posers and shit that would have been considered jokes before 2016 ive been talking to dudes at shows and whatnot who were a bit aggressively opinionated but thats when you say "man i thought that record was lame" and theyll be like "nah youre crazy man!" and then you sip your beer and say enjoy the show and move on
strayk 11.25.23	Well yeah, that is how the majority of discourse in the real world unfolds because the real snobby weirdos never leave their house, mercifully.
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	yeah my point is the shit people are bitchin about seeing on music forums and social media isnt actually real life lol. like do the people who whine about "elitism" not realize that they could just ignore it or say "fuck off" if theyre upset over a 40 year old who said darkthrone is better than devil wears prada?
strayk 11.25.23	This site isn't real life either but here we are right now.
Gameofmetal 11.25.23	almost like people in the real world are generally afraid of confrontation but online that barrier doesn't exist.
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	why is it upsetting though? its different for me because i was on forums in 2003, 2004 when nobody really bothered to type "IMO" because it was already implied you were posting an opinion on a discussion board. engaging in arguments that sometimes boiled down to "this sucks" "no it doesnt" was just part of the internet and nobody lost sleep over it
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	i also think people SHOULD have an impact on your taste in music because one of the joys of music is sharing it, discussing it, engaging with it with other humans. thats very different from the rather conspiratorial view that a cabal of elitists got together and decided to force everyone to enjoy king crimson's red
strayk 11.25.23	I completely agree you should never have to say IMO as it is already implied if you are talking about something subjective like music. As for why it's upsetting, it's not, it's just unfortunate that so many people are like this because they would enjoy music a lot more if they weren't and I think the personal connection you can have with music can really enrich your life and I would like for everyone to have that, but I guess some people never will.
strayk 11.25.23	If you're saying people should impact your taste in the sense that they show you stuff that you end up liking then yes sure. But the reasons you like it should come from you and nobody else.
normaloctagon 11.25.23	Sonic is spitting and strayk is tripping Everything comes from you, dawg, the world is filtered through the ego of each and every person alive. How would it be possible for anything to mean anything in art if no one tried to convince others of their ideas. What a load of poppycock!
Supercoolguy64 11.25.23	sputcore is just /mu/core but with post-2000 -core stuff thrown in. remember how hyped swans and death grips were back around 2012-2015
strayk 11.25.23	Do people seriously need someone to convince them that an album is good in order for it to mean anything to you? Can people really not form their opinions anymore?
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	also i have to ask... none of you has any irl music fan friends youre close enough to bust balls with? like 2 or 3 of my best friends are total indie/punk dudes who hate most metal and prog rock and we all talk shit and manage to remain friends. i have metal friends who hate a lot of the shit i like and vice versa
strayk 11.25.23	Talking shit and busting balls is not what I am talking about at all and obviously there is a completely different context with that.
normaloctagon 11.25.23	“Do people seriously need someone to convince them that an album is good in order for it to mean anything to you?” No. But people like tundra would have you believe that being told that album X isn’t good means that they’re also bad. The problem isn’t people having opinion and sharing them, it’s people taking this stuff way too seriously. The answer is to grow up, as i believe Sonic has been elucidating here quite well
strayk 11.25.23	I don't see how that is at odds with what I have been saying in any way.
Supercoolguy64 11.25.23	"also i have to ask... none of you has any irl music fan friends youre close enough to bust balls with? like 2 or 3 of my best friends are total indie/punk dudes who hate most metal and prog rock and we all talk shit and manage to remain friends. i have metal friends who hate a lot of the shit i like and vice versa" my old bandmates used to give me shit for liking converge lmao
Mort. 11.25.23	well it is of course rooted in some inordinate fragility of ego and serves for some to build the path to self-respect, hopefully to be discarded at a certain point
normaloctagon 11.25.23	@strayk At some point, having strong opinions about art became a sin and I’m not sure why but i can tell you that 99% of the people i see and hear promulgating this idea are deeply insecure, and also usually young/immature Please note: ‘having strong opinions about art’ =/= telling someone to kill themselves because they don’t like King Crimson’s Red. And i don’t think that happens very much around here contrary to what some people might tell you
strayk 11.25.23	I really don't understand why you are making this point to me in particular. Having strong opinions is great. My point is simply that your opinions on music should reflect your genuine thoughts on the music and how it makes you feel. The opinion of others should not determine your own. I am surprised this is controversial.
normaloctagon 11.25.23	Im making this point to you in particular because you say stuff like this which I have pasted from this thread: “Ultimately if other people play a role in determining what you call your favorite music I think you're holding yourself back from getting everything out of music that it has to offer.“
sixdegrees 11.25.23	how many times has OP made this list to farm engagement?
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	this thread only goes to show we all have a different vague ass definition of what elitism even is lol i dont think anyone has to like any specific thing nor should you need someone to tell you what to like. but most of the gripes i see regarding "elitism" boil down to "this guy on the internet said the thing i like sucks" i would probably make a douchey remark to someone who logged on here and said "i dont need to listen to black sabbath, thats racist sexist dad rock for republicans!" and i might even put in some effort to show them that this is a dismissive attitude and theyre missing out and blah blah blah. but if i saw that all their 5s were for deafheaven and linkin park records, i might just be like "oh ok this guys internal filter/musical sensibilities have probably told him that checking out black sabbath is useless, thats fine"
strayk 11.25.23	Are you just ignoring the part where I added that if you discover music from others that's great? I am just saying that your opinions should be your own opinions. You should not form your opinion on an album solely around someone else's, as in 'this person thinks this album is good so therefore I do too.' I'm not sure if you actually read what I said or just chose to ignore it.
Mort. 11.25.23	this thread only goes to show we all have a different vague ass definition of what elitism even is lol [2]
normaloctagon 11.25.23	@strayk “Discovering music through other people” often takes the form of discussion and debate, these activities lead people to say things make claims and defend opinions which often result in the people participating to seeing things another way or understanding things differently and literally experiencing the art differently. Sharing music doesn’t happen in a rec vacuum
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	i definitely think some music fans dont seem to know what they actually like/dislike and may regurgitate opinions to fit into a group (this is the nature of "scenes") several years ago i played an early 90s phish jam around some of my friends who claimed to hate the band, they liked what i played (i didnt tell them who it was at first) and then one dude seemed genuinely offended when he found out he'd just said he liked a phish jam. and then after that i remember playing miles davis on the corner at some point and the same dude said "more phish bro?" and i had to point out that he just inadvertently complimented phish again by mistaking miles davis for them
Cygnatti 11.25.23	I think sput should be a lil bit more elitist tbh. "we know you ain't actually listening to this regularly." You don't have to listen to something regularly to give it a high score.
AsleepInTheBack 11.25.23	I think the point strayk is making is merely that basing what you choose to listen to and what you like solely on the basis of what is regarded as ‘good’ within certain circles is a road to narrow mindedness and elitism; I do not think they are saying that it is elitist or otherwise wrong to be introduced to particular music by others, it’s the delegation of independent thought to mindless groupthink they are opposing
strayk 11.25.23	What you are describing is the concept of your perspective being shaped by being exposed to different perspectives which is of course fine, as long as it is YOUR perspective it does not matter how you attained it, I'm just saying it has to be genuine.
strayk 11.25.23	Precisely AsleepInTheBack.
normaloctagon 11.25.23	I mean yeah that’s fair but when did basing one’s taste off of others become the thing here? I really dont think that happens much around here at all. Like there are albums i didn’t know when i joined this site a few years ago and i noticed that other people revered that album so i checked it out and it became a favorite but that wasn’t me basing my taste off of what is regarded as ‘good’ it was literally me being open-minded and curious. Which i think is what most people around here do, rather than what strayk is proposing people do
AsleepInTheBack 11.25.23	I mean I think it happens more than you’d think, particularly with impressionable young users just getting into music. I know I used to look for the 4.3+ ratings or albums with 1000+ ratings and take it as gospel that they were le crème de crème de crème and therefore what I should like. Obviously taste doesn’t work like that, but it takes a bit of independent exploration yourself to figure that out. At least it did for me.
Havey 11.25.23	umm guys how about we let people enjoy things
strayk 11.25.23	'I mean yeah that’s fair but when did basing one’s taste off of others become the thing here?' I did not say it is particularly prominent here I was talking about how musical elitism often manifests in a general sense. 'Like there are albums i didn’t know when i joined this site a few years ago and i noticed that other people revered that album so i checked it out and it became a favorite but that wasn’t me basing my taste off of what is regarded as ‘good’ it was literally me being open-minded and curious.' I did not say that you do this. What is your point? 'Which i think is what most people around here do, rather than what strayk is proposing people do' That is literally exactly what I propose people do. Form your own opinions without basing your taste on the taste of others.
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	i think octagon is pretty spot on here, discussion/debate can seem "heated" but really we're passionate about this shit because it DOES matter, art is the most important thing in the world and it will outlast everything. ive had people share a different perspective on music that allowed me to see something in a different light. nobody could/should be able to FORCE anyone to like or dislike something, but sometimes the way others interpret art has an impact on how we interpret it. ive personally gotten more appreciation out of, for example, a movie i might not have enjoyed necessarily, but i was able to understand its goals and artistic vision by discussing it with my friends or even reading a fuckin roger ebert review. we're always being influenced all the time and even though this site has an objectivity rating its simply impossible to achieve. most of our 5s are not the "best" albums but they are often the ones that hit us the hardest at the right time. this has as much to do with your surroundings and environment as it does anything. most people dont wanna admit that they are a product of the culture, but its inescapable. theres a reason most 80 year olds would think illmatic is a piece of shit and most people under 40 know its a classic
strayk 11.25.23	It boggles the mind how far out of your way you have gone to put words in my mouth for the sake of starting an argument. I do not wish to argue and will not engage in this attempt.
normaloctagon 11.25.23	@asleep Sounds like we’re agreeing that young people care too much about how others view them and their taste sometimes. This is a part of life and maturing. I bought a Pink Floyd poster when i was a kid, before i got into Pink Floyd, because i thought it would make me cool or help me get into their music. I don’t think that makes anyone else an elitist, it just makes me insecure. I figured it out eventually. No one can skip this stage of life and strayk proposing that you can is a bit silly imo
strayk 11.25.23	Again, I never once said anything about 'skipping that stage of life' and my comments were not directed toward children anyways. You are entirely making things up that I did not say and I am not sure why you are doing this. It is very dishonest and unnecessary.
Havey 11.25.23	strayk catching strayks
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	btw strayk just because i typed something doesnt mean its meant to be a direct refutation of anything you specifically typed, not everythings a debate in the "shapiro vs sjw cringe compilation" sense of the word ya know? this is what we called a discussion years ago
strayk 11.25.23	I have been responding to normaloctagon not you.
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	i mean it kinda tracks that a dude who's THIS worried about internet forum elitism is treating this discussion like we're keeping score of anything
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	ah ok i havent read every comment yet cause theres a few more every time i post. but i dont think anyones trying to start shit
AsleepInTheBack 11.25.23	I think there’s probably a line somewhere between when being impressionable and naive becomes elitism, which is probably past the point where you ought to have gained enough self-awareness via experience to acknowledge your own biases / preferences and not shit indiscriminately all over other people / genres / artists based on that, and instead (as sonic has suggested) to leave it at healthy disagreement and ball busting.
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	btw folks you can critically analyze something while still allowing others to enjoy it. critical analysis should enhance your joy and understanding of art, not take away from it. thats why art is and will always be discussed
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	of course me saying defeater and the word alive suck big donkey cock isnt critical analysis... but that shouldnt make you angry either!
strayk 11.25.23	Well that's just being rational to be fair.
GhandhiLion 11.25.23	"several years ago i played an early 90s phish jam around some of my friends who claimed to hate the band, they liked what i played (i didnt tell them who it was at first) and then one dude seemed genuinely offended when he found out he'd just said he liked a phish jam. and then after that i remember playing miles davis on the corner at some point and the same dude said "more phish bro?" and i had to point out that he just inadvertently complimented phish again by mistaking miles davis for them" Lmao that's a great story
AsleepInTheBack 11.25.23	The most elitest / judgemental thing in this list is probably the list itself someone pass me the irony siren
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	haha yeah its all like good vibes and hippie shit in here, tundra will be so sad he'll have to listen to saosin or the contortionist for a week straight with the lights off
JohnnyoftheWell 11.25.23	"we're always being influenced all the time and even though this site has an objectivity rating its simply impossible to achieve. most of our 5s are not the "best" albums but they are often the ones that hit us the hardest at the right time. this has as much to do with your surroundings and environment as it does anything. most people dont wanna admit that they are a product of the culture, but its inescapable. " rare beacon of sense in a bleak stretch of discourse of course your opinion is gonna be a filter of however much other stuff including (but not limited to, especially if it's about a topic/style/phenom you're honest with yourself about not knowing dick about) your own intuition. rly not loving the backseat insinuations about whose opinions are authentic and whose aren't here, that kinda paranoia trip is way worse than the majority of elitism being discussed
strayk 11.25.23	Yeah that's essentially what I'm saying. Whatever hits you the hardest is what should ultimately matter to you.
ArsMoriendi 11.25.23	I like 70s prog, don't care about metal Tundra stereotype me
GhandhiLion 11.25.23	"simply impossible to achieve" It's more improbable to maintain. Achieving it is not impossible though. (see doof)
GhandhiLion 11.25.23	Nevermind, that's not the focus of what you were saying, ignore me.
Drifter 11.25.23	strayk has to be an alt no one can be that stupidly defensive and sensitive
ConcubinaryCode 11.25.23	We are the sput proletariat. Down with the sput 1%er's! No objectivity in taste!
GhandhiLion 11.25.23	Abolish taste
normaloctagon 11.25.23	Lol strayk, i never said your comments were directed at children. I had mentioned very early on in this debate that I think people with these sorts of views about ‘elitism’ are often young/immature. “btw strayk just because i typed something doesnt mean its meant to be a direct refutation of anything you specifically typed” [2]
Casavir 11.25.23	"we know you ain't actually listening to this regularly" speak for yourself, bozo
botb 11.25.23	Imagine thinking people don’t listen to yes regularly lmao they have sold 30 million records. Also implying noise rock will be “the next big thing” in music is so funny
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	theres literally no scenario where you'd get brownie points for liking prog rock either lol. its one of the only genres people on the internet will call you racist for enjoying
JeetJeet 11.25.23	I feel like this list gets made in response to some sort of core-list or critique every other month. And every time Tundra just gets dunked on, balls in the mouth style.
botb 11.25.23	Hahahaha you’re so right though, there’s been so many more times where I’ve been clowned for enjoying prog bands as opposed to “given props”
ToSmokMuzyki 11.25.23	damn this is the realest sonichu has ever been
ToSmokMuzyki 11.25.23	hot goth chicks love black metal [2]
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	i have a few "hipster" shirts in my collection, like talking heads remain in light, my old dinosaur jr shirts, minutemen, bad brains. the people who compliment those shirts in public typically have a change in demeanor when i mention mostly being into metal and prog rock
Drifter 11.25.23	tbf a lot of prog fans are racist but not all of them
sonictheplumber 11.25.23	the record buying demographic of people born 1954 to 1961 leans conservative yeah. even a lot of the people who were cool enough to buy stooges records in 1973 became reactionaries
bellovddd 11.25.23	Not liking sleep token is just smart and shows you understand music more then your average 13 year old.
Wildcardbitchesss 11.25.23	dude I have an Eraserhead/Full of Hell shirt. I hate it. I mean I love it, it’s a cool ass shirt, but I hate it because I never know if someone saying something just saw Eraserhead, or if they fuck with the loud and annoying kind of music I love.
Spec 11.25.23	1. Meshuggah rules but so do SikTh, Volumes, etc (not periphery though) 2. 9% 3. Axe to Fall is a lil better tbh 4. I don’t listen to most of my ratings regularly. It’s impossible. There’s over 2000 of them. 5. Pop is cool but Sleep Token just sucks 6. ???
normaloctagon 11.25.23	Lol i had the same reaction to 6 has anyone even addressed that one yet
Havey 11.25.23	there's not much to address? tundra thinks liking experimental rock (= avant bloated boring chaotic bulshittery [sic]) is elitism, we been knew
Mort. 11.25.23	'thinks avant bloated boring chaotic bulshittery will be the next big thing in music.' my brother in christ that wave has been and gone a long time ago
porcupinetheater 11.25.23	bloated chaotic bullshittery was poised to be the next big thing but then the Daughters turned out to be trash and it was all over from there alas rip to the promising young upstarts in the nascent scene checks notes Keiji Haino, Today is the Day, Skullflower, Swans Gone too young :'[
porcupinetheater 11.25.23	See you later, alligator
Wildcardbitchesss 11.25.23	nobody ever thought Sprain would get popular or mainstream or whatever, but they undeniably got a lot of attention from the Pitchfork and Fantano crowds. That’s what I thought tundra meant at least. Which even then is still kind of wrong, because Swans are still ridiculously popular for the kind of music they make.
mechamagica 11.25.23	it's ok to like whichever good and/or shitty music you like and spend your time doing something other than being unpleasant on a bad music website remember to be kind both to urself and to others !! o(〃＾▽＾〃)o
Trebor. 11.25.23	One time at a college party a guy tried to fight me cuz I said Trivium sucked
ToSmokMuzyki 11.25.23	ahahahahahahaahahaa
Wildcardbitchesss 11.25.23	avg trivium fan
Demon of the Fall 11.25.23	confusing simultaneously good / bad thread here I think the vast majority of people here genuinely just like what they like. I don’t believe dissecting art is in any way pretentious, unless your appreciation leans a certain way due to the perception of outsiders Yeah, not a revolutionary opinion
ArsMoriendi 11.25.23	Tundra listen to funk
ConcubinaryCode 11.25.23	I like funk because it's funky 🤪
Purpl3Spartan 11.25.23	Rare tundra W
Spec 11.25.23	"One time at a college party a guy tried to fight me cuz I said Trivium sucked" Literally me, but with Five Finger Death Punch.
Purpl3Spartan 11.25.23	Least combative college partier
Ryus 11.25.23	tundra check sunshine has blown
AnimalForce1 11.25.23	Is it just me, or has there been a lot of discussion recently regarding elitism and different takes/opinions/tastes? Something must be in the water
Mort. 11.25.23	yeah i made a metalcore list and tundra was personally offended because it was about people like him
JohnnyoftheWell 11.25.23	lol am tipsy on a train and read that Animalforce comment as a primo defective Ars comment and feel bad now thread has returned to order and reason, and I'm not sure how here i am for it
AnimalForce1 11.25.23	I mean, I'll admit to having an initial knee jerk negative reaction to your list, Mort, just because half of the stuff you listed was stuff I like lol Just took some reflection to realize it's all in good fun. Accusations of elitism can be tossed around, but this is actually one of the less elitist music spaces I've seen
Mort. 11.25.23	yeah i mean im genuinely always happy to listen to recs from other people - give out recs - talk about music i dont actually care that you like the music i dont like, that list was just 'banter' i am intrigued by your 5s tho. rush, callous daoboys and green day? weird mix!
Mort. 11.25.23	also you may be interested in this list and others like it! https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=1034844&listid=199414
AnimalForce1 11.25.23	Weird mix for a guy with weird music taste LMAO. Rush and Green Day are my dad's fault, he introduced me to both bands I'll check the list out!
JohnnyoftheWell 11.25.23	damn i knew sonic had a secret kid on this site somewhere
AnimalForce1 11.25.23	I'll also admit that I just need to 5 more things. I've probably got at least 10 other albums in my library that I'd rate at a 5 that I just haven't gotten around to rating yet
Mort. 11.25.23	yes rate everything youve ever heard, create a taste profile, become sputnikuser
sonictheplumber 11.26.23	haha dude my kid is gettin grounded if he ever tells me masturbations lost its fun
BlazinBlitzer 11.28.23	The only thing really limited to Sputnik in this list is the heightened black metal promotion one. Everything else you can assign to RYM/AOTY and other homes for the snobby fools like us.