Mort.
03.20.23 | 'Metalcore started off unassuming, with bands such as Avenged Sevenfold, Killswitch Engage among others not having a hint of depressiveness in the music at all.'
what the fuck are you on about
that is by no means the start of metalcore
metalcore started in the 90s with plenty of bands that had a dark or 'depressive' sound |
botb
03.20.23 | Hahahaha dude you have got to be trolling at this point… 4 “djent bands” and deftones on a metalcore list |
botb
03.20.23 | Before getting dark again we will discuss the likes of ERRA, Spiritbox, or Within The Ruins who are unassuming such as Avenged Sevenfold where |
Mort.
03.20.23 | 'Before getting dark again we will discuss the likes of ERRA, Spiritbox, or Within The Ruins who are unassuming such as Avenged Sevenfold where'
what??
edit: just seen that botb has also pointed out this mess |
botb
03.20.23 | “ I can count the years, twenty spent fueling my hate, countless more to be spent bearing its weight, I never asked to live my life this way, I want to break free, I never asked to live this life at all”
The first lyrics from the first song on Crossbearer by Starkweather in 1992. But go ahead and tell me how the origins of metalcore are upbeat and feel-good 😂 |
DadKungFu
03.20.23 | List needs The Cure |
artiswar
03.20.23 | Tundra is onto something here, y'all are just behind the curve. For the life of me I can't get into Vildhjarta though |
Mort.
03.20.23 | i mean i assume he must be trolling cos he a put 1993 metalcore ep on the list so hes obvs aware killswitch engage and avenged sevenfold arent exactly early examples of the genre |
Sinternet
03.20.23 | the three eras of metalcore: earth crisis, deftones and erra |
artiswar
03.20.23 | I wish metalcore went back to the Deftones erra |
ffs
03.20.23 | true, metalcore's decent |
artiswar
03.20.23 | ESL moment |
MoM
03.20.23 | It’s like one of those things where you hit the predictive text on your phone to see what comes out |
SteakByrnes
03.20.23 | Metalcore started with Atreyu |
artiswar
03.20.23 | Tundra was actually chatGPT the whole time |
Purpl3Spartan
03.20.23 | Metalcore started with Atreyu (2) |
pizzamachine
03.20.23 | I lol’d |
bludngorevidal
03.20.23 | but i thought counterparts were the first sad metalcore band?? |
Space Jester
03.20.23 | @botb Starkweather rules but wouldn’t Rorschach’s Remain Sedate from 1990 be the first technically? |
Emim
03.20.23 | Lmao this list |
MisogynysticTryhard
03.20.23 | “6 is a 5” |
MillionDead
03.20.23 | List is bullshit. Metalcore started and ended with TDWP. Everything else is a shitty clone. |
artiswar
03.20.23 | true |
MoM
03.20.23 | “ Metalcore started and ended with TDWP‘s Plagues”
[2] |
botb
03.21.23 | “@botb Starkweather rules but wouldn’t Rorschach’s Remain Sedate from 1990 be the first technically?“
For sure there’s earlier records than that starkweather one, was just giving an example of why OP has no idea what he’s talking about |
bellovddd
03.21.23 | hot damn |
combustion07
03.21.23 | What do y'all consider the first metalcore album? Also what about first deathcore album? There's some old albums that border on deathcore that are really cool and I'd like to find more of that |
bellovddd
03.21.23 | Probably earth crisis for metalcore. not sure about deathcore.
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bellovddd
03.21.23 | or maybe converge for metalcore. |
deathofasalesman
03.21.23 | rym has some interesting stuff listed as early deathcore, but candiria and wicked innocence are some of the more recognizable names |
Space Jester
03.21.23 | Rorschach and Starkweather were both ahead of Earth Crisis but just barely |
Sinternet
03.21.23 | first is probably one of/all of rorschach, integrity and downcast
if any of those i'd say integrity were the most important at the earliest stage |
Ectier
03.21.23 | No mention of Converge, Botch, Dillinger, norma jean. While yes some of these are mathcore but the 90s mathcore bands paved the way for a lot of metalcore bands. Also Poison the well. Converge is metalcore to the very definition of metalcore: metal influenced hardcore.
Edit: Also regarding lyrical content and darkness/misery its littered within all forms of metal/hardcore. Sorry Tundra if i came across rude but felt like you missed some bands here. Take care my dude |
Deez
03.21.23 | Mort and Botb laying the mfing T R U T H down
Yeah Rorscharch probably the first but for sure Interg the first ream influential Metalic hardcore band, the word 'Metalcore' got bastardised after that 2000 push even though there was a few great bands (none I particularly listen too) But that late 90s scene that came after Integ/ExC and the like was godly, but not as godly as Erra obviously |
combustion07
03.21.23 | For early deathcore or at least albums that lean that way a bit my favorites I've discovered so far are this Odious Sanction album
https://youtu.be/UtSMC9-vpxQ
Jane (GER)- Doorway to Elsewhere
Deformity- Murder Within Sin
Antagonys first two albums
The Odious album might be a bit of a stretch but the vocals definitely fit and it has some nasty grooves and enough of a hardcore influence to include here imo |
dedex
03.21.23 | Deformity- Murder Within Sin [∞] |
combustion07
03.21.23 | Hell yeah on the Deformity love! Got a half written review for that one I need to get back to finishing. Killer stuff and also one of the earliest examples I can think of |
botb
03.21.23 | The first all out war and ringworm releases were like 91 and 92 too so they’re in the mix |
Cimnele
03.21.23 | i don't know a thing about metalcore so im prepared to accept this list as the truth |
combustion07
03.21.23 | I always forget that Ringworm were that early on. Solid band. Great live shows too |
MoM
03.21.23 | “ i don't know a thing about metalcore so im prepared to accept this list as the truth”
It mostly is. Just needs more Slipknot |
Mort.
03.21.23 | MoM please stop this is hurting me |
artiswar
03.21.23 | it has to hurt or you won't learn |
anode
03.21.23 | Tundra you’re hilarious but not cool stirring up these dorks into talking about genre origins |
artiswar
03.21.23 | I see you haven't been on here long. You'll get used to it |
anode
03.21.23 | I’ve been here since 2010 and I don’t think talking about genres will ever not annoy me |
MillionDead
03.21.23 | Genres are what we do here at sputnikmusic.com |
anode
03.21.23 | Yeah fuck music let’s talk about classification |
MillionDead
03.21.23 | It's part of discussing the music, I'd say. Or at least a useful tool. |
artiswar
03.21.23 | what was the true origin of sad-metalcore |
MarsKid
03.21.23 | what does Corey Taylor think about all of this |
artiswar
03.21.23 | it was Corey Taylor all along |
Deez
03.21.23 | 'Man You should hear this _______ album its so dope'
'Never heard of them who are they?'
'DONT ASK ME ABOUT GENRES BRO ITS SO ANNOYING'
foh |
MillionDead
03.21.23 | Can we all at least agree that Rorschach kicks absolute ass. |
anode
03.21.23 | “What was the true origin of sad-metalcore” metalcore |
anode
03.21.23 | It’s fine talking about genres for clarification purposes but anything beyond that such as arguments about where a band sits is completely pointless. It particularly annoys me because my theory is that so many bands try to conform to certain criteria for their music dictated by their genre to fill a niche and sell records instead of just using music as a form of personal expression and creating something truly unique and impactful |
artiswar
03.21.23 | people who are annoyed by genre definitions annoy me. These lines are drawn so people can speak articulately and communicate. I have had friends who flipped out when I drew a line between metalcore and melodeath. Very weird but funny |
botb
03.21.23 | Don’t know how knowing a genre’s history is annoying. It’s like knowing about rock n roll or jazz history, just on a smaller level because it’s a niche blend of two genres at its core (lol) that has only been around for a fraction of the time that those bigger genres have been. |
botb
03.21.23 | But yeah dude, people go way way too far with that shit. Metalcore in general is actually pretty funny because I’d say like 75% of *new* hardcore punk bands are just playing metalcore by definition but if you tell them that they freak the fuck out. And then you have the weirdos who make up too many sub-sub-sub genres and argue about that like mr. melodic djent over here. |
Drbebop
03.21.23 | I don’t even really like metalcore that much but this shit got me rolling |
DadKungFu
03.21.23 | This is a Rorschach thread now how hard does In Ruins go like |
DocSportello
03.21.23 | red rover red river send daughters in over |
Mort.
03.21.23 | rorschach go hard as fuck
as do the affiliated bands deadguy, kiss it goodbye and playing enemy |
Demon of the Fall
03.21.23 | surely this trolling is far too obvious? Even for Tundra 😄 |
PitchforkArms
03.21.23 | wot tf is this list... |
artiswar
03.21.23 | nope, this is earnest. We love Tundra but he's highly autistic |
Nikkolae
03.21.23 | the way this list got people riled up, kinda genius, has more comments ive ever had in any of mine lol |
Mort.
03.21.23 | 'nope, this is earnest. We love Tundra but he's highly autistic'
what do you even mean by autistic here? |
Deez
03.21.23 | as do the affiliated bands deadguy, '
Just got announced for 2 sets at a fest im going in November this morning, Did a jump out of bed.
Fixation in full and another set : ) |
botb
03.21.23 | That’s nuts man, so jealous. I almost got tickets to that decibel festival they played in Philly and just didn’t have the money for the trip. But I got botch tickets for the same venue about a year later 😎 and yeah remain sedate and protestant are the truth |
Deez
03.21.23 | As much as I love Deadguy id swap for Botch in a fking heartbeat mate |
PitchforkArms
03.21.23 | the feature!!! nnOOOOooOoOooOOOooOOOooo |
Mort.
03.21.23 | tundra come in here and acknowledge what youve done |
MoM
03.21.23 | I apologise, Mort. If it’s any consolation, Coalesce are fucking great and do metalcore better than most bands ever did |
artiswar
03.22.23 | This got the feature? Amazing, it deserves it to be honest. I love this dude's perspective. I hope he's ok and not on a ledge somewhere because of this thread lmao |
Deez
03.22.23 | On a ledge listening to sadcore |
veninblazer
03.22.23 | Wait Vildhjarta are sad? Guess I need to spin their debut lol the return album didnt give me that feeling |
anode
03.22.23 | Artiswar are you serious? Am I wrong in assuming the feature is ironic? Integrity - those who fear tomorrow is one of the first pioneering acts and it’s literally about poverty and being sick of it. Rorschach is bleak af. Acmes to reduce one choir to a soloist is about authoritarianism and has songs about domestic abuse and not a smidge of positivity. And then the first really breakout albums are in mathcore where I don’t need to describe the sentiments of converge, botch, etc..metalcore was always sad. There was no descent. Unless tundra really is that dense, he recognizes this and was just making a joke / trying to stir up the sputnik masses |
anode
03.22.23 | Also the only significant influence deftones had on metalcore is the past 5 years of clones who aren’t original enough to manufacture their own sound |
Feather
03.22.23 | Spark notes of list:
A7X invented metalcore
Deftones is sad and dreary shoegaze
Erra is A7X with djent riffing and less guitar solos
TesseracT is metalcore that is influential and sad
Vildhajarta mixed deathcore with metalcore and made it VERY sad
Invent Animate is continuing in the sad direction |
0GuyMan0
03.23.23 | Just bummed that all of this pretending who started metalcore didn't include at least a mention of 18V.
Anyway, we all know In Flames invented metalcore. |
ramon.
03.23.23 | ctrl+f "zao" 0/0
pos |
hiddenGato19
03.23.23 | I interpret the list poster as doing his/her best to improve writing style and understanding about the progression of music though intelligent commentary.
ERRA is A7x lol
keep at it possibly explain more in reference to the roots of the genre. also sentence structure by adding possibly more descriptive words to improve complex phrasing. I have a 100k view review so I only know a little. |
Feather
03.23.23 | I kinda like the conspiracy theory that Erra is just A7X's side project. I have never seen both bands in the same room before. |
Wildcardbitchesss
03.23.23 | “Also the only significant influence deftones had on metalcore is the past 5 years of clones who aren’t original enough to manufacture their own sound”
Ya I remember my friend sending me Two Way Mirror and I was just like “this is literally just a deftones song.”
Tho I still like Loathe |
