neekafat
10.12.23 | for the record--
The Witch: 4.5/5
The Lighthouse: 4.9
The Northman: 4.8 |
Ryus
10.12.23 | lighthouse |
SomeCallMeTim
10.12.23 | lighthouse was awesome in theaters. heard someone while leaving the theater complaining that they just wasted two hours. how do you go to the lighthouse hoping to get creeped the fug out and not come out the other end at the very least moderately satisfied?
not sure if I like Lighthouse or The Witch more |
MoM
10.12.23 | The WWitch. It’s the only one I’ve seen. Being i reference Black Phillip regularly and i love witch shit, and i love satan shit done well, so it rates pretty highly for me |
Jasdevi087
10.12.23 | Lighthouse and it's robert eggers brother |
SitarHero
10.12.23 | Did you mean Robert Eggers?
Dave Eggers is an author. And my favourite book of his is "A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius". |
DavidYowi
10.12.23 | *rolph from ed edd & eddy voice* egg boy
Put me down for Lighthouse |
Zac124
10.12.23 | The Lighthouse and The Witch are great but The Northman is on a whole other level. |
Deez
10.12.23 | The Lighthouse.
Love the witch too but the lighthouse just.
Northman was cool too but need to see it again |
porcupinetheater
10.12.23 | The WWitch by a lot
WWitch is one of the best horrors of the last decade
Lighthouse is a camp good time carnival ride
Northman is a trainwreck and I hate it so so much |
porcupinetheater
10.12.23 | Saw The Lighthouse in a theater with somebody and we both took what I had been told was a 20 mg edible that turned out to be a 50 and whew |
Ryus
10.12.23 | witch is rly good too ya |
porcupinetheater
10.12.23 | Shouts to that bit in The Northman where Anya Taylor Joy is like
"You can break men's bodies, but I can break men's minds"
And then the only thing she does is put some magic mushrooms in some dudes' soup or whatever and then subserviently turns into Alexander Skarsgaard's breeding machine |
Bloma
10.12.23 | The Lighthouse is my favourite, the VVitch is cool, didn't like The Northman. |
neekafat
10.12.23 | biggest brain fart ever ty for the corrects
i like to think i was thinking of David Lowery bc The Green Knight/Northman similarities and he's also one of my favorite modern directors |
MoM
10.12.23 | “ Shouts to that bit in The Northman where Anya Taylor Joy is like
"You can break men's bodies, but I can break men's minds"
And then the only thing she does is put some magic mushrooms in some dudes' soup or whatever and then subserviently turns into Alexander Skarsgaard's breeding machine”
Oof |
neekafat
10.12.23 | @porc that sounds like a GOOD time lmfao
i love anya in that film but she definitely could've been much better utilized... still think between her nicole kidmans character there's certainly a bit of conscious re-kajiggering of traditional gender roles in revenge epics |
neekafat
10.12.23 | thoughts on only voting if you've seen more than one film?
two is fine but these filmographies are gonna start getting a little bigger |
someone
10.12.23 | Oof ehh Lighthouse I guess |
porcupinetheater
10.12.23 | Also think posing Nicole Kidman’s character as a pretty resolute antagonist for killing her rapist abductor husband and trying to kill his staunchly loyal son, her rape baby who unequivocally supports her rapist is a disgusting move.
God, fuck the Northman so hard |
neekafat
10.12.23 | The whole point of that reveal was that his dad was actually a cunt and that the truth was nothing like the narrative he built in his head, not that his mom was the baddie all along
i will admit im gonna be thinking harder about that in my next rewatch |
Gameofmetal
10.12.23 | Witch > Lighthouse > Northman but Witch and Lighthouse are so so close. |
porcupinetheater
10.12.23 | Yeah but then she still tries to murder our dead protagonist that the film very clearly sides with which kind of sells out that whole supposed point when that son is very much a supporter of the father, and when the movie also ends by forcing Anya Taylor Joy’s character into a joyfully submissive gender role herself and presents it as a happy ending for all involved |
Gameofmetal
10.12.23 | Literally none of porcupine's complaints are flaws with the film lmfaooooo |
neekafat
10.12.23 | hell yeah with the witch representation i didn't think this'd be this one-sided but this time im part of the problem |
Mort.
10.12.23 | 'Also think posing Nicole Kidman’s character as a pretty resolute antagonist for killing her rapist abductor husband and trying to kill his staunchly loyal son, her rape baby who unequivocally supports her rapist is a disgusting move.
God, fuck the Northman so hard'
imagine being this media illiterate
also imagine going away from the film and thinking the director was trying to frame things a certain way and it wasnt your own take
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Mort.
10.12.23 | sorry im reliving bad taken about that Men film from people who decided the director had some one sentence message to get across
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Ryus
10.12.23 | yeah i cannot agree with porcs crits |
Gameofmetal
10.12.23 | Oh yeah I really liked Alex Garland's Men and cringe almost to death when I read letterbox joke reviews about how it's a man hating movie. Outrageous media illiteracy. |
neekafat
10.12.23 | was not happy with how they ended things with anya either ya |
neekafat
10.12.23 | Men is so bad lmao |
Gameofmetal
10.12.23 | no it's great : ) |
neekafat
10.12.23 | man-hating movie is not what i would call it tho |
Mort.
10.12.23 | yeah i love that film as well and i think the criticism of it was overall so fucking lazy. just a lot of idiots going 'this film thinks its deep and has an important message but really its shallow'
i think people tend to presume artists think their work is more important deep than the artists actually think
im reminded of when people criticise kurt vonneguts 'so it goes' for being shallow. its like yeah. thats the point. sometimes thats just how things are. so it goes. |
Mort.
10.12.23 | yooo this guy thinks midsommar is the best folk horror film of current times over Men, get him!!!
(jk i love midsommar) |
neekafat
10.12.23 | if anything its an exploitational "not all men" fetish piece idk |
Egarran
10.12.23 | Lighthouse has more personality and is the most Lovecraftian so that wins for me.
Haven't seen Northman and after this thread I'm not sure i want to. |
Mort.
10.12.23 | 'if anything its an exploitational "not all men" fetish piece idk'
lol what
pls be joking
also, everyone itt should realise art simply is and has no message
youll be able to enjoy running water and ponds where you get to run your hand through it a lot more |
neekafat
10.12.23 | thank you oh wise mort lmfao |
Mort.
10.12.23 | no worries youre welcome
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but also simply like be and go with the flow
namaste |
PitchforkArms
10.12.23 | The witch and it ain't even close. The other two is aight |
neekafat
10.12.23 | but yes per Men: It's backasswards male apologism that frequently places its passive protagonist in fetishistic positions of peril before throwing together one of the most tone-deaf third acts in modern history. It's a grotesque, unconsidered film, one that drew more eyerolls than jumps from the audience in its most crucial moments.
Annihilation is one of my favorite films, but Men is an Edgar Wright-level miss |
porcupinetheater
10.12.23 | Art is not nature
And if you engage with politically adjacent topics in a piece of art saying “it just is” is either reactionary or lazy |
Mort.
10.12.23 | so how is it male apologism and how is the peril fetishistic? (I agree that theyre a passive protagonist)
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Gameofmetal
10.12.23 | calling it male apologism is like . . . literally the opposite of what it does LOL |
Mort.
10.12.23 | 'and if you engage with politically adjacent topics in a piece of art saying “it just is” is either reactionary or lazy'
and if you resort to simple dichotomies, youre either reactionary or lazy
look i can do shit takes too! |
porcupinetheater
10.12.23 | “also, everyone itt should realise art simply is and has no message”
Fix this reductionism if you want me to take your criticism about a lazy dichotomy seriously |
Egarran
10.12.23 | Get on shore and watch the flow from a safe distance. |
Mort.
10.12.23 | 'Also think posing Nicole Kidman’s character as a pretty resolute antagonist for killing her rapist abductor husband and trying to kill his staunchly loyal son, her rape baby who unequivocally supports her rapist is a disgusting move'
Fix this reductionism if you want me to take your criticism about the northman seriously |
Mort.
10.12.23 | ( but in seriousness porc, if you cant tell im taking the piss and overexagerrating a position i hold, i think you need to reevaluate how you approach internet comments) |
porcupinetheater
10.12.23 | Lol okay ya missed the irony sorry to get salty |
Mort.
10.12.23 | being serious my much weaker thesis would be
There are often times when people assume too much in the way of a message or thesis on behalf of a director/artist and let it influence their interpretation of an artwork. An approach to art that allows for varying interpretations allows for more enjoyment and value.
eg. Kafka has scores of interpreters arguing that his work either has a psychosexual dimension, a marxist dimension, metaphyscial, historical bla bla. In other words, that his surreal or abstract work has an underlying message we need to decode through a specific lens, thereby revealing the artists intentions
im just generally anti this and was being a bit of a dickhead about it . apologies |
Mort.
10.12.23 | the film Men is a good example of this because depending on background, education, preconceptions about the director etc people have incredibly different interpretations about the 'message' or 'intent' of the film, and striving for a more multifaceted interpretation certainly helped me enjoy the film more and see more value it in
i think overall interpretations that rely on directors intentions tend to be quite reductionist. certainly when im trying to create an artwork (i write very bad fiction that will never see the light of day) i try not to think about message and just try to let it 'come out' naturally |
YoYoMancuso
10.12.23 | lighthouse for sure |
rockandmetaljunkie
10.12.23 | Easy answer, the lighthouse |
EoinCofa
10.12.23 | The Witch is probably my favorite horror/dark/macabre flick of all time. From the beginning, it is just a complete downward spiral for the family. At least Thomasin embraces witchhood and her service to the devil. So, there’s that.
The Lighthouse does have great old world, pirate-speak though, love it. |
Mort.
10.12.23 | also my vote is:
the witch |
porcupinetheater
10.12.23 | A’ight, and I’ll totally accept arguments that I’m wrong on the Northman but just want to clarify that I’m not coming from a preconceived idea of wanting to stick it to Eggers, I loved his previous 2 movies and thought The WWitch is super compelling to read from a feminist lens and just absolutely do not feel Northman does the same from my own read, and generally seems to fall opposite
Also feel like criticizing a piece of art from an ideological perspective is fair game even if it isn’t what an artist intended something to be. A piece of art released into the world inherently becomes a part of the social fabric and can be viewed through any number of lenses after the fact, coupled with the fact that the intention of the artist is a foggy barometer at best to engage with a piece that’s completed and exists in the world.
One of the main reasons I still think it’s really gross that Go Set a Watchmen got published - it was never intended to be seen by anyone and being forced into the world against Harper Lee’s own wishes as something that shouldn’t be a part of it in a broad sense and makes it to subject to that same social reality ain’t right. The will of the artist as the arbiter of the discourse around a piece of their art extends as far the choice to either release or not release something |
Mort.
10.12.23 | 'Also feel like criticizing a piece of art from an ideological perspective is fair game even if it isn’t what an artist intended something to be. A piece of art released into the world inherently becomes a part of the social fabric and can be viewed through any number of lenses after the fact, coupled with the fact that the intention of the artist is a foggy barometer at best to engage with a piece that’s completed and exists in the world.'
oh i fully agree with you. im more wary of adhering to one particular 'correct' lens rather than using all of them to see what different perspectives come out
and yeah its completely gross that book comes out, ill never read it
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Egarran
10.12.23 | It's VVitch dammit porc
SINGLE V OK |
Mort.
10.12.23 | im now realising the vvitch was probs the first film i saw anya taylor joy in and that shes probs been around and getting famous much longer than i realised. huh. |
Egarran
10.12.23 | Oh man you have to watch Split. |
Mort.
10.12.23 | ive seen split and completely forgot it was her in it lol. |
Jots
10.12.23 | vvitch and lighthouse are p close for me, but yea lighthouse |
ramon.
10.12.23 | da witch beby
also i thought men was a very interesting watch. not fully clued up on the ethical/ideological quandaries it sparked in the wider culture but irrespective of whether or not it carries out appropriate moral justice or w/e, there's just way too much effort put into its presentation and performances for me to not find it a fun head scratcher. feel like i've seen a fair few slow burn south east asian films that carried similar, potentially fetishistic/problematic weight, that hasn't been subject to a modicum of the criticism men received which is a shame cuz that cinematography is delish and i kinda wonder if it woulda been received the same way if it was the same movie in a non-western language (not sure if that's a reductive point or not)
will say it was a fairly wild choice of date movie |
brainmelter
10.12.23 | Lighthouse |
Trebor.
10.13.23 | the witch |
Havey
10.13.23 | imma join team vvitch |
Spec
10.13.23 | Gotta go with The Witch because it had such a strange impact on me. |
Trebor.
10.13.23 | Eggers is probably my favorite filmmaker to come out in the last ten years |
Clefairy
10.13.23 | The lighthouse but honestly the witch is very close |
porcupinetheater
10.13.23 | “It's VVitch dammit porc
SINGLE V OK”
That’s a misunderstanding of Roman numerals
It’s actually The Xitch |
IsisScript80
10.13.23 | I've not seen 'The Northman', but out of the others, I'd say 'The Lighthouse' is number 1, with 'The VVitch' not far behind.
He's exceptionally talented. I Iove what he does cinematically, along with his use of dialogue. |
neekafat
10.13.23 | Surprised at the lack of Northman support, but the other two really are so good |
Egarran
10.13.23 | Yeah porc just see how neek spited you in the list, obv because you used 2 Ws. |
MO
10.13.23 | Witch for sure |
Vercetti
10.13.23 | The Lighthouse |
RunOfTheMill
10.13.23 | Definitely The Witch, but all of them are awesome |
CamiloG
10.13.23 | The Witch by far. Very interesting director to watch… |
MeatSalad
10.13.23 | The Lighthouse is amazing. Haven't seen Northman yet but I doubt it'll top my love for Lighthouse |
MeatSalad
10.13.23 | Also interesting take re: Men neeka, I definitely didn't get a male apologist angle when I watched it. You almost make it sound like the movie was trying to make a damsel out of the protagonist when the point (to me) seemed to just have her be a female lens looking at the many different forms of toxic masculinity, especially towards women. That said, by the time the uh... birthing sequence was happening I was too busy laughing my ass off to derive any deeper meaning from the end of the film |
Mort.
10.13.23 | yeah that last section is very funny due to the sheer absurdity |
IsisScript80
10.13.23 | 'Men', I reckon, was made with a "male feminist" angle, which is an okay enough starting point... I don't think there are really too many levels to read into it. There's a (I believe, deliberate) ambiguity to it, evoking the mythological aesthetics the region draws from, but I don't think it's really meant to say anything more than what MeatSalad had already pointed out.
The birthing sequence was, at the very least, memorable.
I thought the film was overall, decent enough, but not much beyond that. |
MeatSalad
10.13.23 | Yeah it was definitely not a masterpiece by any means, and certain parts are so goofy in a way where you're not sure if they're meant to be taken seriously or not, but it's an enjoyable/interesting film. kinda in the 6 or 7/10 range |
mryrtmrnfoxxxy
10.13.23 | i don't think about film as hard as y'all. i liked Men. it kept my interest and got my heart racing a couple times. i'll never forget it. solid 7 |
mryrtmrnfoxxxy
10.13.23 | for this list i haven't seen Lighthouse but vvitch >>> northman i kinda hated Northman it was a slog for me. don't count my vote |
neekafat
10.13.23 | To be fair, I really can't fault anyone who isn't into film lightly enjoying Men as a functional "weird thriller," but as an artist in the same medium I try to ascribe intent where I can see it, and I definitely agree with Isis in that it's a tepid "male feminist" angle. It really just feels like he made it to score brownie points with liberals and win some awards for stirring the pot.
My largest problem with it is to be fair an idealogical issue of making a film based around the identity of a woman when Alex Garland (director AND writer) is not a woman. I'm not saying a man can't direct a film with a female protagonist, but when the entire film hinges on one aspect of the identity of the protagonist, the disconnect is almost (but not) always palpable when the director doesn't identify in the same way, and in this case it's film-breaking for me. The dude brings a male gaze to an allegedly feminist film about her breaking free from the control of men over her life. The only thing that rings the slightest bit true to me about the film is Buckley's performance, and obviously Garland is a talented thriller director. But christ what was he thinking? Such a stupid movie to me. |
Trebor.
10.13.23 | Speaking of Men, that part with that really simple melody that keeps echoing through the tunnel is like one of my favorite scenes ever and that melody is constantly stuck in my head. Rest of the movie is lol though |
neekafat
10.13.23 | the one that every A24 trailer is based on now lmao |
Mort.
10.13.23 | 'The only thing that rings the slightest bit true to me about the film is Buckley's performance, and obviously Garland is a talented thriller director.'
i thought rory kinnear did an amazing job tbh, glad to see him getting higher profile roles after seeing him in british tv pretty consistently for years |
Trebor.
10.13.23 | yeah he's awesome |
Mort.
10.13.23 | one thing i will say is that i do wonder if some of the quintessential britishness of Men went over non brits heads (always hard to tell what seems obvious to yourself is or isnt to other people)
the homeowner (geoffrey) is a very accurate depiction of a generation of posh-ish british men as is the
general english small town vibe
what i would say is i simply dont get where this tepid '"male feminist" angle' - 'It really just feels like he made it to score brownie points with liberals and win some awards for stirring the pot'. It seems to presume way too much knowledge of the directors intentions for me. I almost wanted Garland to tweet something incredibly misogynistic just to shut people up at one point
(the reviews are baffling regardless, its apparently a very misandrist and misyogynistic that also thinks its incredibly deep. again, the criticism of pretentiousness seems like a reach and assumes too much on the directors behalf)
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Mort.
10.13.23 | But also, i am not a filmaker and dont really care for it as a medium as much as others do, and film interpretation is something i know very little about |
Sharenge
10.13.23 | The Lighthouse |
Mort.
10.13.23 | (also, i have stolen all of my opinions from a half remembered essay i wrote about susan sontags against interpretation, where i basically wrote 'yeah shes right' over and over) |
neekafat
10.13.23 | How do u feel about Nocturnal Animals lol |
Mort.
10.13.23 | i walked in on someone watching it once and sat down and watched the second half lol so no idea
(also ive seen splinter now) |
neekafat
10.13.23 | I fucken hate Nocturnal Animals
How was splinter |
Mort.
10.13.23 | it was good but the cam was too goddamn shaky when the monster was on screen (assuming they did it to hide its subparness) |
MoM
10.13.23 | “How do u feel about Nocturnal Animals lol”
This movie had such a fucked up feeling. When they showed that shed with the windows all black, that was one of the worst feelings I’ve had from a movie. Not one i enjoyed |
PotsyTater
10.13.23 | Chronological for me, where Ari is reverse chronological
1. VVitch
2. Lighthouse
3. Northman by quite a large margin |
neekafat
10.16.23 | The VVitch: 12.5
The Lighthouse: 17.5
The Northman: 1 |
Zac124
10.16.23 | rip the northman |
Mort.
10.16.23 | neek you havent added my vote for the vvitch |
Gameofmetal
10.16.23 | hated Nocturnal Animals, there was something so soulless and miserable about it. |
bigguytoo9
10.17.23 | The VVitch is absolute garbage. Northman is my personal pick for top film by Eggars. |
Egarran
10.17.23 | Those uppity womenfolk are a danger to this commune. |
