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ArsMoriendi 04.14.16	Kid A isn't prog at all and your failure to include Frank Zappa and Can on here makes me sad.
PeterCologne 04.15.16	Can - always... I do like your Suggestion. I just don't sense(d) them so much in Prog. Anyway, Can is a part of my musical life, and not only because they came from my city... I knew that Kid A would get some reaction, I just feel Prog when I do listen to it - a new kind of. Maybe it needs some time till people get it ;)
wham49 04.15.16	not sure how Robin Trower is prog, and most of the albums are later releases from great bands after they have already layed the ground work, except King Crimson,kind of confusing whirlwind is fucking sweet though
Friday13th 04.15.16	First two Transatlantic are better. 12 is probably 2nd or 3rd worst Crimson Kid A and Spirit of Eden ain't prog but you know, good list anyways :]
wham49 04.15.16	outlier prog, great thought, not sure I would say Zappa is prog, if that was the case all the SF bands would be too, that would get very messy, cool with it, but when I think prog, especially early prog, I think early 70's english bands, not sure that is right but that is what it is, what about Hawkwind guys
ArsMoriendi 04.15.16	Zappa isn't prog on the whole, but Absolutely Free is important proto-prog and some of his albums like One Size Fits All and especially is pretty proggy. Oh and Joe's Garage
e210013 04.15.16	You really have here a great prog stuff, indeed. Because it's all a matter of taste, I'm not going to contest your options. Of course, there are in my opinion many other prog albums that would fit perfectly well on here. My only complaints are that probably Radio Head and Robin Trower don't fit perfectly well on here. Radio Head isn't properly a true prog band and despite the quality of "Kid A" I really don't think that it must be part of a list of the most important prog albums. Robin Trower isn't a prog artist, and despite I like very much of "Long Misty Days" it isn't a prog album and I really think that are better options to this very good list.
Cimnele 04.15.16	Magma and Henry Cow were pretty important to the fringes of prog, too. if yer checking Magma: Kobaia and 1001 Degrees Centigrade for jazzy prog rock MDK, Wurdah Itah and Kohntarkosz for the trademark Zeuhl Udu Wudu for the best b-side evil funk-rock groove of all time their live albums for another perspective (band members change regularly and bring their own instruments of choice) the newer discs (K.A. onwards) for a celebration of all teh things above
PeterCologne 04.15.16	Thanks for your comments so far. All of them are helpful and bear some truth. One aim of ths list is to give a slightly new perspective on Progressive Rock. Radiohead my not fit into the System of what is defined as Prog. But I just see it as an real step forward as really progressive Rockmusic. I would agree though that Robin Trower is the most argueable one here, though I feel him as kind of prog in that Phase of his Career. From all Things mentioned, I really think I should have included Can... but maybe I will enlarge this list and change it some few positions... but anyway, thank ya all! Some problem by the way is to take those words "Important" and "best" serious. Relayer is Yes best Album, but is it their most important one? Isn't that CTTE? Well, I find, Relayer is highly important because it did enlarge the boundaries of prog as wide as no other Album. My favourite Yesalbum by the way is Tales. And Construkction Of Light by King Crimson is a good example how a band can keep its own Music fresh and new and progressive. This Album was done 31 years after the first one In The Court Of The Crimson King - and it is so different and genre-expanding...
e210013 04.15.16	"Relayer is Yes best Album" You know that isn't a consensual opinion. Generally, "Close To The Edge" is considered their best album. I always loved "Tales". Anyway, in this case I think that it's not very important to know what is the best album of any band. As you know, this is a very subjective issue. In relation to King Crimson, I agree with you. King Crimson is and always was a very special and unique band in the world of prog.
Mythodea 04.15.16	hey, mate, nice to see some prog lovers again. Nice list, though I have to disagree. Generally, I've made two similar lists (Prog Archives I-II), if you want to learn some good albums from long ago till the present!
MO 04.15.16	holy fuck the complete lack of anything Camel related is a damn shame. Moonmadness / Mirage are complete prog rock essentials
Cygnatti 04.15.16	radiohead is very obviously influenced by prog, but they're alt rock not indie rock. spirit of eden and laughing stock are art rock (like radiohead), which is closely related but different than prog.
smaugman 04.15.16	Selling england by the pound is from 1973 Btw
manosg 04.15.16	Nice list. Glad to see Robin Trower get some respect. I'd personally add: Rush - 2112 Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory The Moody Blues - Days of Future Passed Camel - Mirage
Jethro42 04.15.16	Pretty nice picks on here. Mine would have Camel - Moonmadness Renaissance - Scheherazade Supertramp - Crime of the Century Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per un Amico Rush - Hemispheres Harmonium - L'Heptade Neal Morse - Sola Scriptura major props for 4
manosg 04.15.16	Uriah Heep - Salisbury is a great pick! For as much as Uriah Heep were unfairly classified as a Deep Purple ripoff, they influenced a great number of bands.
Jethro42 04.15.16	@manosg, I removed Uriah Heep because I'm not sure about which album is the most important one. I think Salisbury is one of their best, so I could have let it there :)
manosg 04.15.16	You can make a case for 2-3 being the most significant but when we're talking about prog, I think Salisbury is the best choice because of its title track. Now I need to jam the full thing haha.
Egarran 04.15.16	Early Mike Oldfield is my precious.
Jethro42 04.15.16	Yeah manosg, album Salisbury is really great. I think its only weaker track is High Priestess. I'm gonna listen to Demons and Wizard given it's the favorite Uriah Heep album of a Prog Archive's reviewer who pretty much shares the same prog taste as mine.
Friday13th 04.16.16	Which progarchives reviewer is that, Jethro?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 04.16.16	least important list
JigglyPDiddy 04.16.16	^^^^
Keyblade 04.16.16	shows how much importance counts for when mirage aint even on this
Royl123 04.16.16	6 and 8 are more on the post rock side. I think ok computer would be more suitable for 6.
Jethro42 04.16.16	@Friday; I'm talking about Mellotron Storm (John Davie). Rune2000 is a close second.
Friday13th 04.16.16	:D thought so! Nice guy, too. I asked him for some recs and he gave me a good guide for what I was looking for.
SCREAM! 04.16.16	No Rush No Camel No Close to the Edge No Thick as a Brick 2/5
TwigTW 04.16.16	List needs more "My" and less "The". ;-)
DoofusWainwright 04.16.16	Not sure about your cologne
Jethro42 04.16.16	@Friday, HA! You guessed it! I never contacted him personally, but I consulted his profile and reviews several times. The guy has a phenomenal quantity of reviews and he's a true guide regarding jazz-rock fusion, symphonic prog, psych space rock, eclectic prog, etc etc... Are you a prog archives user?
TwigTW 04.16.16	"Relayer is Yes best Album" It seems to me that Yes fans divide into to camps; those that believe "Relayer" and "Tales From Topographic Oceans" are the most important albums, and others that choose Close to the Edge.
Friday13th 04.16.16	@Jethro yeah, I go by the alias "friday13th" haha I don't post or review much there.
Jethro42 04.16.16	I never noticed your presence there. I'm not a user myself, but prog archives is my bible haha. May you name me an album you reviewed there, so I could see your profile?
Rik VII 04.16.16	These are certainly not the most important prog albums. Maybe your favorites, but not the most important.
JamieTwort 04.16.16	List is... interesting. A lot of these are strange choices for "most important" prog. I mean Songs From the Wood is probably my favourite album on here but I wouldn't say it was important to prog, in fact I wouldn't even say it's prog.
PeterCologne 04.16.16	Thanks for all the comments. Of course the critical ones are as welcomed as the positive ones. I just thought to put some seldom chosen Albums in the spotlight. Of Course you would not rate Songs From The Wood as prog on first sight, but I did not add it without being quite confident that it offers a lot of progressiveness. I just find it highly important - but unfortunatley overlooked - how Tull did progress prog here in a folk-Scenario. Furthermore my aim is to go a little away from those bands who just simulate the prog formulas of the 70s in favour of bands that found new ways of playing progressive rock-Music, like Radiohead and Talk Talk. Some might find them placed wrong here. I stick to my view - they are the really progressive rock-bands. But there is nothing better than to discuss and argue Music. Well, Camel,Rush and others you are missing. If I would expand this list, both bands certainly would appear. Camel being the first real symhonic-rock-band I could even see in the lower regions of this top 15. Relayer or CTTE? CTTE is the one to advertise for prog. Relayer though is the most consequential realisation of prog I know.
SCREAM! 04.16.16	As twig pointed out, if you'd called this "my most important etc" there'd be no issue and youd have some interesting picks here. However calling these "the most important etc" gives this a whole different meaning
Spacesh1p 04.16.16	To be fair though, the list has actually facilitated one of the better discussions I've seen on this site despite the word choice. And for that reason, really nice list my friend.
TwigTW 04.16.16	^^^Agreed, I was just thinking that too.
PeterCologne 04.16.16	^^^ ^^^ Yes, thank you - and that was one reason to do it...
Friday13th 04.17.16	@Jethro my presence is minimal though I've piped in a few discussion boards. I remember reviewing the Mountain by Haken and Sola Scriptura by Neal Morse, but that's about it.
MrSirLordGentleman 04.17.16	Supertramp - Crime of the Century
Jethro42 04.17.16	That's pretty cool, Friday :) Enjoy your participation at the great ProgArchives!
SharkTooth 04.17.16	I need to get a ProgArchives account, I've been visiting that site a lot more recently
MrSirLordGentleman 04.17.16	I check progarchives every now and then, but I'm not really that interested in creating an account. It's closer to RYM than to Sputnik. Too snob for me
Jethro42 04.17.16	There is a lot of good reviewers in ProgArchives, and I found a fair amount of good prog bands in there. And there is a good definition of all the prog subgenres and the showcase of essential bands and obscure bands in each of them. Etc. I don't think it's a snob site. Maybe a little cold and that's it. I'm not interested in creating an account either, since I don't review anymore.
JamieTwort 04.17.16	I've never thought of prog archives as being snobby.
MrSirLordGentleman 04.17.16	RYM or ProgArchives go into a "serious way" of appreciating music Sputnik on the other hand is like, "fuck everything, this riffs hard m/" I like that more, feels like a more honest way to appreciate music than just going all serious and stuff, but that's just me
SharkTooth 04.17.16	I like ProgArchives because they at least rate things reasonably. RYM's ratings are a joke. "This is one of the best albums of 2016 highly recommended 2/5"
MrSirLordGentleman 04.17.16	Yeah, RYM rating system is hilarious, I really hate that site ProgArchives isn't as extreme in that aspect, but I still prefer Sputnik in that
TwigTW 04.17.16	I use Prog Archives' charts all the time. They're great--nowhere better to keep up with the current year's new prog releases.
Jethro42 04.17.16	How do you get to know the new releases, TWIG?
smaugman 04.17.16	prog archives looks like it's from the 1800s or something
Cimnele 04.17.16	my experience with prog-archives was more like "WHICH IS YOUR FAVOURITE DRUMMER - PEART OR COLLINS?" over and over and over
Cimnele 04.17.16	good database though
Jethro42 04.17.16	Impeccable database yeah.
TwigTW 04.18.16	@ Jethro: When you log on to the Prog Archives main page, at the top of the page under "Misc" click on "Top 2015 Albums". That will give you a list of the top 2015 albums according to Prog Archives . . . If you scroll up instead of down, you will get many search choices. Under "Filter: Year of Release" Select 2016 and that will give you this years prog releases.
TwigTW 04.18.16	Sputnik doesn't even list 2016 yet, why????
Jethro42 04.18.16	Gotcha TWIG, thanks!
TwigTW 04.18.16	Great, enjoy!
Jethro42 04.18.16	Yes I've finally seen it, buddy. That's why I erased my last comment :/
Jethro42 04.18.16	Yeah I enjoy it atm, cheers man! It's about time I discover it!
AnimalsAsSummit 04.18.16	What is prog? Baby don't hurt me
TwigTW 04.18.16	Haddaway?
TwigTW 04.18.16	?!?
PeterCologne 04.19.16	AnimalsAsSummit: "What is prog? Baby don't hurt me" Could you be a little more precise? Some more impressions from reactions: Someone is sad, because Can is not in my list, but more than two People here crticise that Radiohead is not Prog. I stick to it- Radiohead is progressive rockmusic and one of the finest and most visonary, and it is quite close to and influenced by Can... so... ... I just beg to look on prog from different perspectives and in different angles... there is more to it than the usual suspects... ;-)
Royl123 04.19.16	^I agree, Radiohead started adding prog elements to their music after Ok Computer.
guitarded_chuck 04.19.16	"Kid A isn't prog at all" um yes, it most certainly is lmao
AnimalsAsSummit 04.19.16	kid a is a pretty bad example of pure prog; just like karnivool has prog elements, but they are not overly prog. some decent albums on this list but it seriously needs more krautrock, also a magma album. if we're simply talking about albums that were important and helped craft a genre, I'd include those for sure. Can or Amon Duul II should be here for sure.
guitarded_chuck 04.19.16	there is no pure anything when it comes to genres however kid a is absolutely progressive rock prog is such an umbrella terms that its one of the more frustrating ones to debate with people about but anyway ars coming out and saying it "isnt prog at all" is just fucking stupid
AnimalsAsSummit 04.19.16	But the what encompasses the word "prog" will be argued about until the end of time tbh. There's many ways to rationalize something as such.
AnimalsAsSummit 04.19.16	Yeah it defs has prog elements no doubt Very glad to see Spirit of Eden in here tho. Talk Talk really helped with developing the more chamber-oriented acts that would later arise in prog rock.
guitarded_chuck 04.19.16	"But the what encompasses the word "prog" will be argued about until the end of time tbh. There's many ways to rationalize something as such." mhmm kid a was early 2000s version of prog of course it sounds different from can or yes or whateverthefuck from decades past
Spacesh1p 04.19.16	I'm with you, Chuck. I would definitely consider Kid A to be prog. Doesn't mean everyone has to agree but I would say it is for sure.
AnimalsAsSummit 04.19.16	Soft Machine's Third I've always thought to be pretty groundbreaking, I'd have that at the top of my list
miketunneyiscool123 04.19.16	I'm surprised Voivod isn't here.