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GhandhiLion 02.15.24	!!!
ffs 02.15.24	woot
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.24	Lmao at 1 being the first thing on this list. Based!? What's the deal with the current Gothic tag? Should Darkwave ideally outright replace it where there are relevant secondaries (e.g. Chelsea Wolfe goes from Gothic/Folk/Industrial to Darkwave/Folk/Industrial) or should it be allowed a foot in the door in all cases
ArsMoriendi 02.15.24	Depeche Mode, but I think synthpop NEEDS to stay. So what goes? New wave or gothic? Darkwave/synthpop/???
ArsMoriendi 02.15.24	Also since we now know no more genres can be added: coldwave should fall under darkwave right? Also for Dead Can Dance gothic should be dropped so itâ€™s classical/darkwave/folk
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	@Johhny it's semi chronological
ArsMoriendi 02.15.24	For Cocteau Twins obviously dream pop is first so dream pop/darkwave/showgaze? Also I guess all ethereal wave might as well be darkwave+dream pop
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	no gaze "all ethereal wave might as well be darkwave+dream pop" No >_>
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.24	Darkwave is arguably first for Cocteau Twins given that ethereal wave is a subgenre of it, but the first two are definitely the first two And yeah lol fake shoegaze band
SomeCallMeTim 02.15.24	babe wake up, new sputnikmusic.com genre tag just dropped I know little about darkwave so time to learn I guess
ArsMoriendi 02.15.24	Look Ghandhi , we now know WHY the genres were added could be added and that means these last 3 (darkwave, glitch, neofolk) are the last batch, so some concessions need to be made for genres that will never appear
ArsMoriendi 02.15.24	Also please answer my Depeche and coldwave questions
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	What example of a concession are you referring to sorry.
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	"Also please answer my Depeche and coldwave questions" no,no
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.24	What particularly popular pages should we ask to be fully reset other than: - Cocteau Twins - Dead Can Dance - Chelsea Wolfe - Anna von Hausswolff - Lingua Ignota - Depeche Mode(??)
Mort. 02.15.24	do we give the darkwave tag to artists like lustmord? (dark ambient)
theBoneyKing 02.15.24	Big W Still holding out hope on slowcore
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.24	darkwave and dark ambient don't have any shared genealogy afaik, so no
porcupinetheater 02.15.24	Letâ€™s get a tag on The Moon Lay Hidden Beneath a Cloud
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	They're more neofolk / industrial with one neoclassical darkwave release
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	"Darkwave ideally outright replace it where there are relevant secondaries..." Case by case basis. Some artists have other albums that are gothic rock, but not darkwave
Cygnatti 02.15.24	wtf did anything else get added along with?
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	Glitch
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	@Jotw Cocteau Twins - Dream Pop, Darkwave, Gothic (easily fixable if people vote) Dead Can Dance - Darkwave, Gothic (Probably should get rid of folk? Keep classical even though it's not classical?) Chelsea Wolfe - Darkwave, Gothic, Folk? (Definitely reset) Anna von Hausswolff - Darkwave, Drone, rock? (Definitely reset) Lingua Ignota - Darkwave, Industrial, Noise (reset?)
someone 02.15.24	Rejoice
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	Lingua Ignota still has a noise rock tag
ArsMoriendi 02.15.24	â€œ Probably should get rid of folk?â€ Into the Labrynth draws a lot from Arabian folk and I think Dionysus follows folk styles too so idk
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	Yes they draw from folk
Dewinged 02.15.24	Bookmarking this list with chisel and stone in my brain.
ArsMoriendi 02.15.24	Also does non-gothic darkwave exist and if not wouldnâ€™t gothic be redundant for DCD
budgie 02.15.24	Also does non-gothic darkwave exist" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aEMwkZfgYA
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	No but there is darkwave that is more Gothic than others. In DCD's case it's there to denote their debut which is more Gothic rock.
budgie 02.15.24	is there any way you ppl can have tags apply only to albums, not artists. would make this site 1000000x better as a database
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	That's asking for too much mb
budgie 02.15.24	maybe any effort is too much but as it works now tags are pretty fkn useless. if you wanna look up a genre for a given year you have no idea at a glance if the albums listed are that genre
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	Not entirely useless, but I agree it's not good.
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.24	"Dead Can Dance - Darkwave, Gothic (Probably should get rid of folk? Keep classical even though it's not classical?)" think Folk and Classical best surmise what they're about in conjunction, while either alone is misleading. would cut Classical over Folk, but probably take both over Gothic - so reset needed "Chelsea Wolfe - Darkwave, Gothic, Folk? (Definitely reset)" Darkwave, Folk, Industrial imo but yes reset needed for sure "Lingua Ignota - Darkwave, Industrial, Noise (reset?)" 100%
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	Mods need to fix Lycia too Johnny.
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.24	full reset, or just nix Gothic?
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	Fix shoegaze mainly
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.24	so nix both gothic and shoegaze? might as well purge it all if so
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	I don't care about the redundant Gothic in most cases as it safeguards against genres like shoegaze getting sneaked in where they shouldn't be
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.24	Asked for a full purge for it + CT (which can be re-voted to deweight shoegaze - Dream Pop / Darkwave / Post Punk should cut it) can just re-vote Gothic for Lycia, but will be easier to get Darkwave in on top
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	Thanks. Why the industrial for Chelsea Wolfe? I'm not that familiar.
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.24	peep the first couple of minutes of Abyss - pretty heavy influence from that album onwards
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	Idk RYM says that Abyss has 5 industrial rock related songs and that that the new album is industrial. Folk seems like a more prevalent part of her discography according to the tagging
JohnnyoftheWell 02.15.24	yeah, Darkwave primary, Folk secondary, Industrial tertiary seems about right
GhandhiLion 02.15.24	post-punk/gothic rock seems more prevelant than industrial also. But I haven't heard most of her albums so
JohnnyoftheWell 02.16.24	Post-punk also a fair tertiary - feel this site gravitates more to her industrial-leaning stuff, but no strong feelings on which tbh
ArsMoriendi 02.16.24	Tagging these as I half-watch The Thing for the 2nd time Also Ghandhi, what's your gripe with including Depeche Mode?
ArsMoriendi 02.16.24	Rym also says the band Cranes counts or at least that the darkwave tag should replace the shoegaze one
JohnnyoftheWell 02.16.24	this is very accurate just done a bunch of glitch artists - will stick a list for remaining/problematic names later. should be a lot easier than this
Sharenge 02.16.24	not at all getting why all so intent on removing "gothic" tag for Chelsea Wolfe seems like an essential tag for her
CharlotteAnnXiong 02.16.24	@Johnny: please tell me we're counting glitch pop and glitch hop artists
ArsMoriendi 02.16.24	Whoops posted that on my "tag only" profile lol Also Cranes prob needs a wipe then
JohnnyoftheWell 02.16.24	"seems like an essential tag for her" self-explanatory given darkwave. would be the same as tagging an IDM artist "Electronic" (which would be fine, but her secondary tags are meaningful, so out with gothic) "@Johnny: please tell me we're counting glitch pop and glitch hop artists" case-by-case I think? so far have tagged mainly ambient/techno artists and a couple of unambiguous art pop picks, but this will take a while - like, can see a glitch tag for Prefuse 73 and EdiT, but not necessarily for FlyLo ygm. ditto for glitch pop: Tujiko Noriko and (maybe - current tags are fine tbh) Yeule could carry one, but idk if Junior Boys or Sweet Trip need it
CharlotteAnnXiong 02.16.24	What about Baths/Geotic
ArsMoriendi 02.16.24	Cuz his IDM tag is soooo wrong
JohnnyoftheWell 02.16.24	Glitch tertiary for Baths since there's nothing else going, dunno Geotic as well but don't remember much glitch from what I've heard
dedex 02.16.24	aight will chip in and try to properly tag those + others i might think about
ReefaJones 02.16.24	I've always wondered which genres fall under "experimental" on here because I don't think I listen to much experimental yet it makes up 15% of my pie chart.
Havey 02.16.24	why would you assume there's a standard 41 People On Sputnik Tagged Radiohead As Experimental, etc.
JohnnyoftheWell 02.16.24	Alt Rock / Electronic / Britpop literally the only correct sequence there lol
ArsMoriendi 02.16.24	My dream is for the majority of artists on here to lose their experimental tags so I feel that Like I wish we had a garage rock tag so we could finally fix TVU. Garage rock/folk rock/Art Rock would be a way more honest interpretation of their sound than noise-rock/experimental/psychedelic. So much so that Iâ€™d consider rock/folk/experimental with our current tags
TheSpaceMan 02.18.24	always cool to see a new genre of something ill probably never listen to
Minortimbo12 02.18.24	just remove all but rock and metal, i think that would do well on this site
ArsMoriendi 02.19.24	Tagged all 112 :) deff needs more people to tag too though
Ladron93 02.20.24	Huh, now Darkwave has been added in Sputnikmusic? Nice. I think 8, 57, 89, 90, 92, 100 are the ones I consider as darkwave with synth and I adore them. I heard one or two songs of Troller's Graphic and it's right up my alley. I'll give the album a listen later. So's 5 and 101. I like Die Verbannten Kinder Evas' Come Heavy Sleep. It felt like a fantasy cartoon soundtrack. I'll see if I catch up a few of the bands on this list.
Demon of the Fall 02.20.24	I'll get on tagging some of these, I have faith you guys know what's what here because hmm, I don't save for a very select few in fact the list has me intrigued so I may embark on a journey of sorts Clan of Xymox is good so far!