ADanceReturns
02.02.15 | Didn't this already happen |
trve
02.02.15 | obviously lacks voivod |
TheSonomaDude
08.26.17 | Updated for #37, the ultimate error
Pretty sad this only got 2 comments back in the day, I did a fair amount of research for this list and I remember laughing my ass off at some of these tags (9, 19, 24, and 32's bluegrass still get me howling tbh). It's also sad that most of these genre suggestions have since been removed from the site, but good for the mods! However, what I find funnier is that a fair amount of these tags still stand to this day. |
budgie
08.26.17 | first slayer is bm |
Papa Universe
08.26.17 | You shall be rewarded for your hard work now, son. |
dctarga
08.26.17 | Artuma is gonna get heated for 37 lol |
ArsMoriendi
08.26.17 | Lo-Fi for Beach Boys isn't wrong actually
Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, and Friends are all lo-fi. |
BlackwaterPork
08.26.17 | Ariana grande is grindiest of the grind what you sayin? |
Demon of the Fall
08.26.17 | Grind, death-core or drone are excellent shouts. |
TheSonomaDude
08.26.17 | "first slayer is bm"
yeah i can really hear the Burzum on SNM...i can believe it's BM inspired but about as much as Metallica is punk inspired. I would never call Metallica punk, I would never call Slayer black metal |
budgie
08.26.17 | you can have your bad opinions and i can have my correct opinions |
Allergist
05.17.18 | I can totally hear the metalcore in Darkthrone alright...
Seriously what are some people thinking |
Artuma
05.17.18 | Mudvayne is not and has never been a nu-metal band. They are a progressive metal band. |
Allergist
05.17.18 | What’s up with all these shitty modern by metal bands being listed as post-hardcore? Lol |
Ebola
05.17.18 | 5 is kind of correct for that one really shitty album |
AlexKzillion
05.17.18 | Living Colour - black metal |
bgillesp
05.17.18 | Black malachite is my favorite bluegrass britpop band |
Demon of the Fall
05.17.18 | I think it's fairly easy to identify which are the troll tags & which ones people might mistakenly think are true. The Death from Above was is genuinely funny though tbf.
I nearly didn't make it through the list, got stuck on the Ariana artwork for some unknown reason, think my screen froze, that'll be it... |
Deathconscious
05.17.18 | Attack Attack - one of their albums, idk idc
Grindgaze |
combustion07
05.17.18 | Grindgaze lives on. Jeff Buckley sludge cracked me up |
Astral Abortis
05.17.18 | "yeah i can really hear the Burzum on SNM."
Burzum came 10 years after... |
Astral Abortis
05.17.18 | First slayer is bm |
Koris
05.17.18 | Blackened thrash, maybe
also
Van Der Graaf Generator - Punk |
Koris
05.17.18 | Justin Timberlake - thrash metal |
Rik VII
05.17.18 | Opeth - death metal
Because wtf, they aren't death metal, they're just prog rock, hahahahahahaha
*goes to bed and cries* |
Koris
05.17.18 | Five Finger Death Punch - Post Metal |
Allergist
05.17.18 | Wtf guys Show no Mercy has literally no black metal going on. It’s a pretty straightforward NWOHM-inspired thrash metal album. |
splinter
05.17.18 | Disturbed got me |
Astral Abortis
05.17.18 | Learn your black metal history before speaking, Allergist. |
platnum
05.17.18 | I see nothing wrong with 37s tags |
Allergist
05.17.18 | You’re probably the same nut who would think Mercyful Fate is BM just because they wear corpse paint |
Demon of the Fall
05.17.18 | Mercyful Fate is BM |
Allergist
05.17.18 | honestly, explain how. I’m a big MF fan but have never understood the comparison between MF and Darkthrone or Bathory or Emperor. |
Astral Abortis
05.17.18 | Nobody is comparing Mercyful Fate to Darkthrone. You're thinking as if the first and second wave of black metal are the same, but they're not. They're distinct for a reason. I'll go copy/paste my explanation for why MF is black metal just gimme a sec. |
Astral Abortis
05.17.18 | here are some comments by me explaining:
"there's much more to MF's sound than just trad heavy metal. if you listen to any of the second wave black metal outside of norway you'll see exactly why, as well. tremolo riffs and blast beats in bm weren't even prevalent until post-93.
just listen to any band like mortuary drape, necromantia, varathron, master's hammer, root, etc. and other DEFINING black metal bands of the first and second wave, the black metal becomes ABUNDANTLY clear."
"like even if you know nothing about bm, it's clear there's so much more to this than what other heavy metal bands had done/were doing at the time."
"Mercyful Fate were utterly unique and pioneered key aspects of the genre, aspects they helped CREATE.
black metal through and through"
"like legit imagine listening past 0:46 on Satan's Fall and thinking "yea this is just plain trad heavy metal"" |
Astral Abortis
05.17.18 |
"Song-structure, pacing, riff dynamic: Mercyful Fate are one of the earliest bands I can find that display the "surf-rock" sound that became popular for black metal bands of the second wave, the often atonal and dissonant melodies and evil-sounding chords that when played cleanly and faster sound like surf rock. This wasn't prevalent in heavy metal.
The band's riffs were a large influence on the thrashier, heavier side of metal, notably influencing early Slayer albums, and almost sounding like an early blueprint for Celtic Frost as well when they would break it down into the slower, heavier sections (again, a good example would be 0:46 onwards in 'Satan's Fall').
And their guitar solos often devolve into extremely messy, random, and atonal examples of styles later found on Slayer, Bathory, and Morbid Angel records.
These three guitar styles would often interlink into long-winded passages that would repeat cyclically together over and over again, oftentimes King Diamond bringing his voice down the low growl, also not prevalent in heavy metal.
And mentioning vocals, the vocals!: King Diamond's ultra-high falsetto was highly irregular, oftentimes becoming a piercing shriek, or turning into a very guttural spoken word. These two dynamics became a staple of black and death metal, most notably in Celtic Frost and Darkthrone ESPECIALLY when mentioning literal falsettos. King Diamond pioneered unconventional, layered, and highly effected vocals with lots of reverb.
Finally, atmosphere: the band would often employ a lot of atmospheric qualities, distorted intros, backing keyboards interlacing the heavier moments. Some attribute this as being prog-rock influenced, but their take on it most definitely was passed forward onto the way black metal bands would interpret the music in the future.
Overall, their sound can feel highly familiar when listening to bands like Varathron, Mortuary Drape, Master's Hammer, Root, Necromantia, even Mystifier, as mentioned before.
Mercyful Fate were undoubtedly one of the greatest defining bands of the first wave. And the first wave IS indeed black metal." |
Koris
05.17.18 | Yeah, Mercyful Fate is definitely black metal |
Artuma
05.17.18 | ...and yet another fun list thread becomes just snox educating people about metal in a very extensive fashion ffs |
butcherboy
05.17.18 | so mercyful fate is progressive thrash, yes? |
Deathconscious
05.17.18 | "And the first wave IS indeed black metal."
Nope |
Aberf
05.17.18 | that 2nd legit made me lol |
Koris
05.17.18 | Um, sweetie, Mercyful Fate is 1st-wave progressive technical blackened death thrash... ugh, get it right -_- |
Koris
05.17.18 | Also, I once saw Cannibal Corpse labeled as progressive rock and Afrobeat on Wikipedia. That shit was pretty funny |
Koris
05.17.18 | Triple post, but:
Rise Against - black metal
Also, never forget that Allmusic once unironically labeled Dragonforce a prog metal band in one of their reviews |
Astral Abortis
05.17.18 | "Nope"
Gud rebuttal |
Deathconscious
05.17.18 | Haha butt |
TheSonomaDude
05.17.18 | wow this thread exploded...why didnt this happen 3 years ago when i made it??? |
Mentasm
05.17.18 | The greatest artists are never recognized in their own time |
Allergist
05.17.18 | Next time I make a Best BM list I’ll add SNM |
Astral Abortis
05.18.18 | Good |
TheSonomaDude
10.31.21 | this is probably my favorite list that i ever made. |
ArsMoriendi
10.31.21 | Grunge for Sonic Youth doesn't REALLY work, but their album Dirty kinda is grungy at times? Sort of?
I know they say that one in specific was Nirvana inspired |
ArsMoriendi
10.31.21 | Also "lo-fi" for The Beach Boys works cuz Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, and Friends are often cited as some of the earlier lo-fi records
WAIT I SAID THIS ALREADY YEARS AGO, nice nice |
TheSonomaDude
10.31.21 | honestly you're kinda right about both of those, especially beach boys. i was alot more cluessless back when I made the list in like 2014 lol. I assumed 'lo-fi' solely meant like bedroom hipster acoustic rock recorded on a cellphone microphone |
garas
10.31.21 | "to be fair, bedroom lofi is one pedal away from becoming bedroom black metal"
Nice. |
DDDeftoneDDD
10.31.21 | LMAO it took me a lil bit before I get what this was about, so good
Limp Bizkit is pre accurate tho XD |
DDDeftoneDDD
10.31.21 | And I actually think that tagging Niravana with sludge is based, specially considering Bleach |
TheSonomaDude
10.31.21 | you're kinda right with sludge metal on Bleach, kinda. my comment was more towards just the "metal" tag, because i totally would've called Nirvana a metal band as an 8-year-old |
