Mort.: Post-hardcore for good people

Mort. 03.06.23	i do not care if so and so album is more noise rock, alt rock, post punk, indie, math-rock etc. if album you like isnt on here, i havent heard it in a long time or at all or i just dont like it as much as you still updating
SteakByrnes 03.06.23	Let’s go this’ll be a good one
swallowtales 03.06.23	Great albums, Smart Went Crazy didn't click with me very well on first listen but need to give it some more time as I definitely think there's a great record in there.
MarsKid 03.06.23	Oh hell yes, the spiritual successor we never knew we needed. Will definitely be bookmarking.
ArsMoriendi 03.06.23	Nice, this is the kinda post-hardcore I can ge behind Still needs to check Tangle, no idea Thinking Fellers went that direction
JohnnyoftheWell 03.06.23	where tf are Number Girl, Thursday, Belvedere, Team Dresch, Ling Tosite Sigure and Drive Like Jehu
Flugmorph 03.06.23	good list (hardcore post) people
Ryus 03.06.23	good content will check the few of these that i havent heard
Mort. 03.06.23	'where tf are Number Girl, Thursday, Belvedere, Team Dresch, Ling Tosite Sigure and Drive Like Jehu havent heard number girl, belvedere, team dresch or ling tosite sigure only heard one thursday lp and am not a massive fan but not entirely opposed to them remember liking drive like jehu when i heard them but its been a long long time, need to recheck and then actually keep them in rotation on a playlist which i didnt do last time
JohnnyoftheWell 03.06.23	wow i felt all my respect for u evaporate on the spot
Ryus 03.06.23	drive like jehu is the best ya
JohnnyoftheWell 03.06.23	any post hardcore list missing all five of yank crime, sappukei, fast forward eats the tape, inspiration is dead and war all time time is certifiably unreadable yep :[
Storm In A Teacup 03.06.23	Thursday - No Devolucion an easy top 50 album all time. Arguably a top 10 album of all time. Nice list Mort. Of course we all know Always Open Mouth would have to be a necessity here.
Storm In A Teacup 03.06.23	I am very much into the self titled Fear Before now more than past years. Absolutely love singing the earth! It spins it shakes!
pizzamachine 03.06.23	Thanks guys I forgot to 5 ling tosite sigure
Storm In A Teacup 03.06.23	Magic Is magic
Mort. 03.06.23	wont lie, the second half of this really demonstrates that i was a certain age at a certain time lol and fuck off johnny lol
JohnnyoftheWell 03.06.23	also this is not a horse I love to flog, but there is no scenario where you can justify multiple TFOT or DCD albums on a list that contains neither the Illusion of Safety nor the Artist in the Ambulance
Storm In A Teacup 03.06.23	Vheissu and Alchemy Index are better anyway
Storm In A Teacup 03.06.23	I even got the alchemy index cover as a tattoo! 😃
sixdegrees 03.06.23	i've successfully time traveled
sixdegrees 03.06.23	thrice? in the bin where they belong
Storm In A Teacup 03.06.23	Pizzamachine would say, "that's just you feeling old"
Mort. 03.06.23	i dont like thrice johnny, soz
JohnnyoftheWell 03.06.23	okay 88 Enter Shikari The Mindsweep 2015 89 Dance Gavin Dance Instant Gratification 2015 90 Down I Go You're Lucky God, That I Cannot Reach You 2015 91 The Fall of Troy OK#2 2016
z00sh 03.06.23	list would be perfect with yank crime, yeah
Mort. 03.06.23	list is finished, yes i like dgd and enter shikari and the fall of troy etc
unclereich 03.06.23	Considering my moral standing, this list simply isn’t for me
Mort. 03.06.23	thank you for being so forthright
hesperus 03.06.23	neat list but by what bizarre metric is hot cross not considered screamo
MillionDead 03.06.23	Maybe a few too many swoopy hair bands, but there's a TON of great shit here.
Mort. 03.06.23	'neat list but by what bizarre metric is hot cross not considered screamo' just never seemed like much of a screamo band to me tbh. much more of a diddly diddly do da band in the vein of dgd or tfot but less 'pop' influence and more of a classic punk sound i dunno man i just wanted them on the list
GreyShadow 03.06.23	eagerly awaiting the inevitable follow-up, post-hardcore for bad people
Emim 03.07.23	Beloved
Purpl3Spartan 03.07.23	Based list
Mort. 03.07.23	i have not heard beloved. need to make a list of all the classic post-hardcore i still havent heard.
Emim 03.07.23	It's a good one
combustion07 03.07.23	List is heat! 1 is my favorite thing here and an all time fav in general. Plenty here I gotta check so bookmarked!
KnewUser 03.07.23	Old people music
Manatea 03.07.23	List is highly accurate
Piripichotes 03.07.23	I'm waiting for the postHC list for bad ppl.
someone 03.07.23	bookmarked but i must warn you, i am not good people
DadKungFu 03.07.23	I'm crying in the beer of a drunk man
Mort. 03.07.23	tipping your bartender lol imagine tipping a bartender
IsisScript80 03.07.23	"Old people music" Are you like 10 or something?
Storm In A Teacup 03.07.23	10 or cringe or both
Mort. 03.07.23	list is cringe enter shikari? dance gavin dance? how old are you dude lol
Storm In A Teacup 03.07.23	Pretty sure they really are 10 lol. These young kids are honest hit you with facts.
SteakByrnes 03.07.23	when do we get post post hardcore
botb 03.07.23	Damn seeing wow owls on Sputnik is insane. Sick list my guy
widowslaugh123 03.07.23	When is the last time you heard hot snakes? Are they post hardcore? Shit slaps regardless
Christbait 03.07.23	I still consider Define the Great Line to be better than They're Only Chasing Safety. Great list. Lots of new stuff for me to dig into.
Mort. 03.07.23	'Damn seeing wow owls on Sputnik is insane. Sick list my guy' wow, owls! got me into a shit ton of post-hardcore and emo, cant remember how i ever found them but theyre a big part of my musical development
SteakByrnes 03.07.23	That Capsule album rules I always forget about it
Casavir 03.07.23	Needs There's a Vomitsprinkler In My Liverriver and Mind Tracing the Going Down
Uzumaki 03.07.23	Just glancing through this list I feel so inadequate…
bludngorevidal 03.07.23	44 is the only album that matters. in any context, not just limited to post-hxc
JoyfulPlatypus 03.07.23	I'm looking forward to the sequel list - "post-hardcore for bad people"
Mort. 03.07.23	hey who else wants to make a posthardcore for bad people list joke?
JohnnyoftheWell 03.07.23	everything on this list post-2005 is an easy place to start
Mort. 03.07.23	ok thrice fan rofl
JohnnyoftheWell 03.07.23	did you put the devil and god on this list ironically or
Mort. 03.07.23	did you 5 the artist in the ambulance ironically or
JohnnyoftheWell 03.07.23	i could have 0.5'd the artist in the ambulance and it would still be closer to a 5 than tdag is to being a post hardcore album let alone a post hardcore album for good people
BMDrummer 03.07.23	love this
Mort. 03.07.23	this is the first time ive ever heard of gripes over whether The Devil and God is a posthardcore record or not and i really dont give a shit
JohnnyoftheWell 03.07.23	probably because no-one in their right mind would ever classify it as such, hence the total lack of discourse
AsleepInTheBack 03.07.23	Pos
Mort. 03.07.23	rym lists post hardcore as an influence on the album and wikipedia lists it as post hardcore (im aware these can both be wrong before you jump in exictement) but most importantly, i think its post hardcore cos he shouts and gets angry and the guitars get loud
JohnnyoftheWell 03.07.23	double down on the wikipedia crutch and make a gothic rock for good people list also featuring tdag you won't you coward
Mort. 03.07.23	loooooool
tectactoe 03.07.23	Any self-proclaimed post-hardcore list is simply incomplete without even a tangential reference to YANK CRIME.
JohnnyoftheWell 03.07.23	this has been established and mort. is in the process of coping grievously
Storm In A Teacup 03.07.23	Yall talk about it so much it might as well be on the list making said list even more essential now.
Mort. 03.07.23	cant be fucked to listen to it right now and as i cant vouch for it its staying off the list
sixdegrees 03.07.23	you can come up with 2 more albums surely
Storm In A Teacup 03.07.23	Emery In Shallow Seas We Sail
Storm In A Teacup 03.07.23	BoySetsFire - The Misery Index Notes From The Plague Years
Mort. 03.07.23	havent heard them! based on the comments in this list what i need to check is number girl belvedere team dresch ling tosite sigure thursday re check Drive like Jehu Beloved Hot Snakes Plaid Retina Deep Turtle Emery Boysetfire
JohnnyoftheWell 03.07.23	yes + maybe Shudder to Think had you really not heard Hot Snakes??
Mort. 03.07.23	im sure ive definitely checked them out, but apparently never listened to a whole lp. will add them to my list of to checks which i will just make another list now for.
GhandhiLion 03.07.23	This list is weird. I love a lot of the early ones but dislike most of the 2000s ones
GhandhiLion 03.07.23	Gonna check 92 real quick
GhandhiLion 03.07.23	That table comp is a re-release of the 95 comp btw. It just has one extra track.
botb 03.08.23	Frodus!
Mort. 03.08.23	yah never got round to checking frodus, will add them to the homework list
SteakByrnes 03.08.23	what about frodo
gschwen 03.08.23	A couple overlooked post-hxc records i like Orange 9mm - Driver Not Included (1995) The Most Secret Method - Get Lovely (1998) The Blueprint - Zerozeroone (2002) Swift - Waging War (2002) Mahumodo - Waves (2003) Taken - Between Two Unseens (2004) Kaddisfly - Buy Our Intention; We'll Buy You a Unicorn (2005) Look What I Did - Minuteman for the Moment (2005) Barrow - Though I'm Alone (2013) Restorations - LP2 (2013) Perfect Pussy - I Have Lost All Desire for Feeling (2013) Crooks - Are We All the Same Distance Apart (2015) Pærish - Semi Finalists (2016) Planes Mistaken for Stars - Prey (2016) Parliament Owls - A Span Is All That We Can Boast (2019) Gloe - Dead Wait (2020) Watertank - Silent Running (2020)
Uzumaki 03.08.23	I need Johnny to put together a gothic post-punk band/album list for good people, stat
Emim 03.08.23	"Frodus" I was confusing them with Forus and could not for the life of me see the connection lol
pjquinones747 03.08.23	goated ass list. maybe the best one on this site
Mort. 03.08.23	dont say that, youre just baiting for some joyless nerd to come in here and post one of the many lists oversaturated overly serious 90s post hardcore that ends around 2006
MillionDead 03.08.23	Hey! Overly serious post-hardcore is my bread and butter. Basically my whole personality. In fact, I think I have a new list idea.
Tundra 03.08.23	No Saosin or Circa Survive is a crime
MillionDead 03.08.23	Saosin is right there though. Learn to ctrl f!
Mort. 03.08.23	indeed they are circa survive however are another band i need to check out
pjquinones747 03.08.23	good point mort. however i invite the smoke on a regular basis. post hardcore beyond 2006 CAN be good its just usually referred to as skramz or swancore
MillionDead 03.08.23	I can't do swancore anymore. It's become a homogenized parody of itself. Peaked with A Lot Like Birds's second LP, I think.
pjquinones747 03.08.23	@Million this i can agree with. most swancore after that album is pretty tired nowadays. most of my favorites from bands like hail the sun, stolas, etc all preceded ALLB's second album if im right
Mort. 03.08.23	i like dgd and a lot like birds, cant get into the rest
gschwen 03.08.23	>post hardcore beyond 2006 CAN be good its just usually referred to as skramz skramz is screamo, not post-hardcore
MillionDead 03.08.23	Screamo is absolute a subgenre of post-hardcore though. That's how I've always understood it, anyway. Immediate siblings is like the farthest apart they could ever be, at least.
Mort. 03.08.23	yeah skramz and post-hardcore are not mutually exclusive. but i feel skramz describes a specific enough form of hardcore that i didnt really want to include most of it on here.
Borracho 03.09.23	great list
pjquinones747 03.09.23	"skramz is screamo, not post-hardcore" tomato tomato
gschwen 03.10.23	rhubarb rhubarb
pjquinones747 03.10.23	touche
theBoneyKing 03.12.23	bookmarked
Mort. 04.22.23	to everyone who was telling me to add drive like jehu etc i have revisited yank crime and yeah it bangs, added to the list
Trebor. 04.23.23	Those first three DGD records are still great
4N4LB34D5 04.23.23	god damn that table album goes fuckin hard! i can't believe i haven't heard it until now. thank you for that!!!
mryrtmrnfoxxxy 05.25.23	Sweet list mort you babe you hottie im gonna check 1, 3, and chavez
mryrtmrnfoxxxy 05.25.23	Nvm 1 isn't on spotify
heck 05.25.23	where tf is quicksand you right tit
Mort. 05.25.23	ive never listened to them! sorry!
90m80s 05.25.23	u need Saetia or for bad ppl?
Mort. 05.25.23	tried to keep screamo off the list so no saetia but i do enjoy that band
90m80s 05.25.23	dammit
mryrtmrnfoxxxy 05.25.23	youll dig quicksand
heck 05.27.23	youll dig quicksand [123]
Storm In A Teacup 05.27.23	Who
Storm In A Teacup 05.27.23	I hardly even listen to posthardcore anymore.
Storm In A Teacup 05.27.23	I do think i will get on a Thursday kick tho soon.
pizzamachine 05.27.23	That’s just you feeling old
Storm In A Teacup 05.27.23	Have been more on a punk kick lately dropkick murphys millencollin hot water music rise against and trying to find others like them
Storm In A Teacup 05.27.23	I disagree pizza. Im getting younger
Storm In A Teacup 05.27.23	😁
El Olam 05.27.23	All the albums I know from this list slap so gotta check the rest now
veninblazer 05.27.23	Where's Full Collapse
Storm In A Teacup 05.28.23	Or something Thursday
Mort. 05.28.23	not a massive fan of thursday but i did listen to war all the time last month and enjoyed it
constantchange 09.30.23	A few omissions I noticed: Burning Airlines. Million Dead's debut. Shellac (or any Albini fronted stuff). And Faraquet whips ass dude. The View From This Tower is killer
constantchange 09.30.23	Noice list though, I think I've seen it before (maybe even several times lol). I def agree that Starless is the least post-hardcorey of Lula / Starless / The Egg You check Splay yet?
constantchange 09.30.23	Also you might likey The Plot To Blow Up The Eiffel Tower
Mort. 09.30.23	never got into burning airlines, still need to check em million dead im not a big fan of never checked shellac and dont like albini in general havent checked splay yet and i checked out the plot to blow up the eiffel tower earlier this year! cool band, fun sassy stuff
CamiloG 09.30.23	Damn! Just saw this list and is so damn good, lots of stuff to dig into, added to the ones you already recommended
artificialbox 09.30.23	Based list. Stoked you included 80, I still listen to that album at least once or twice a month. A true hidden gem and one of the best things to come out of that era of Rise Records.
Mort. 09.30.23	yeah they had a special vibe i really enjoyed. shame what happened to them. always wondered if the guitarist got fucked by all that debt
FreakMachine 09.30.23	Pierce the Veil should be on here m/
Ryus 09.30.23	glad uve come around to 99
Uzumaki 10.01.23	Yeah no to PtV
Emim 10.01.23	Poison the Vell
Mort. 10.01.23	yeah i couldnt be fucked to even respond to that
AsleepInTheBack 10.12.23	mort which do it listen to first give me 5 ill try jam soon
JohnnyoftheWell 10.12.23	listen to everything released before 2005 and ignore 90% of everything after
Mort. 10.12.23	polvo - todays active lifestyles unwound - new plastic ideas brainiac - hissing prigs in static couture june of 44 - tropics and meridians q and not u - no kill no beep beep and johnnys comment is correct in that stuff after 2005 is more my personal favs whereas the earlier stuff is pretty solid all round for all folks
Mort. 10.12.23	fear before - the always open mouth is one of the few essentials from post 2005
AsleepInTheBack 10.12.23	cool thanks x
Demon of the Fall 10.12.23	oh man, this is a list some good shit / should check more of these
Mort. 10.12.23	say what you want about that mort. guy he put a lot of time in to knowing his metalcore/post-hardcore and oh god theres still so much i havent checked oh fuck oh shit
Demon of the Fall 10.12.23	TAOM is reason enough to extend this to 2006 checks list... or maybe just pretend it was released in 2005
deathschool 10.12.23	This is a good fuckin list
VaruunZealot 10.12.23	Amazing list, the lack of Sempiternal is a little unsettling however
Mort. 10.12.23	only song i like off Sempiternal is Sleepwalking not really a fan of the whole vibe and scene it spawned.
DadKungFu 10.12.23	Really liking that Pretty Girls Make Graves album
Mort. 10.12.23	yeah i really need to check out their other stuff
VaruunZealot 10.12.23	"only song i like off Sempiternal is Sleepwalking not really a fan of the whole vibe and scene it spawned. " That's completely valid, I adore the album so much primarily due to nostalgia. I don't agree with the band claiming it a post-hardcore album, but Hospital For Souls definitely had a lot of post-rock/post-hardcore sound to it.
Mort. 10.12.23	what is it if not a post-hardcore record?
AsleepInTheBack 10.12.23	What is post hardcore
AsleepInTheBack 10.12.23	Genuinely. All the “post” genres that start as a temporal designation and then develop into their own thing do my head in. Feel like they need “wave” sub categories more than emo does.
JohnnyoftheWell 10.12.23	the cash on the cheque '80s hardcore wrote out and well yeah, phxc started as broadening and experimenting the blueprint of older hardcore (largely via dub and noise rock) but was largely performed by groups who upheld the hardcore aesthetic and ethos and then the '90s ended/emo had happened/mallcore came about/2nd + 3rd wave phxc = evolutions within the genre that have q little to do with 'hardcore' and are confusing if you look at it that way but otherwise have a certain amount of continuity from one wave to the next (though 1st and 3rd have virtually nothing in common)
JohnnyoftheWell 10.12.23	think of the whole thing as the logical follow-through to rites of spring playing smart-ish straightass hardcore about wanting to cry a lot, and you're already like 66% there
AsleepInTheBack 10.12.23	Sweet thanks i heart rites of spring it’s prolly dumb that I’ve heard so little phxc given my general preferences
AsleepInTheBack 10.12.23	I suspect I’ve heard more than I realise tho as I wouldn’t think of 96 or 97 or 98 for example as post hardcore but I’m likely just ignorant of genre boundaries
Mort. 10.12.23	there are no boundaries, all is permittable, eat sand
constantchange 10.15.23	have you checked Splay yet it absolutely rips. not even that far behind The Egg and Lula dude. And it's very quintessential post-hardcore to me
constantchange 10.15.23	it's insane that you haven't yet / if you have that you took so long to listen to it / haven't given your impressions. i'm not gonna say you're a fake Shiner mega-fan but wtf dude
constantchange 10.15.23	also check the hell out of Burning Airlines mayn. Mission Control! is very similar to The Egg sonically. Maybe the follow up too, although maybe to a lesser extent
Storm In A Teacup 11.13.23	eat sand (2)
Pikazilla 11.13.23	74 is poop [3]
Mort. 11.13.23	youre literally a
Storm In A Teacup 11.13.23	BORN THRU THE EARTH WE WILL MULTIPLY
Storm In A Teacup 11.13.23	I STILL GOT MY EYEBALLS TEN FINGERS AND TOES
artificialbox 11.13.23	check hoover
Mort. 11.13.23	i will
artificialbox 11.13.23	😀
constantchange 12.25.23	check The Lonesome Crowded West OP
Ryus 12.25.23	99 at last 🙏
constantchange 12.25.23	99 may be the greatest album ever
constantchange 12.25.23	then again so might 21, 31 or 37
Cygnatti 12.25.23	What Ghandi said [2]
Storm In A Teacup 12.26.23	Ghandi, mate, ghandi
artificialbox 12.26.23	best list on the whole site
Mort. 12.30.23	stop im blushing
mkmusic1995 12.30.23	If I'm a bad person, what Post-Hardcore do I get?
FowlKrietzsche 12.30.23	Tillian-era DGD and Daughters
mkmusic1995 12.30.23	Well now I'm sad
Ashen 12.30.23	Mort have u listened to Scratch Acid?
Purpl3Spartan 12.30.23	69 is excellent
Mort. 12.31.23	@ashen i checked out scratch acid for the first time in early 2023 i like em but dont love em. much prefer the jesus lizard. still, havent heard everything by scratch acid and i do plan on checking out the rest
Trebor. 12.31.23	Is yank crime supposed to mean jerking off in a movie theater?
Mort. 12.31.23	no its just american crime
cycosynner 12.31.23	TELL HIM HIS EYES SEE TOOOOOOOO CLEAAAARRRRRRRR
BMDrummer 12.31.23	finally heard shiner today
Wildcardbitchesss 12.31.23	bitchin list, haven’t heard a few of these but everything I have heard I like. Check Birds in Row if you haven’t
constantchange 01.01.24	Mort. do you like Casey A bit sentimental / melodramatic / whatever like most post-hardcore after the early 2000s but I kinda likey anyway. their debut album, anyway Also check The Lonesome Crowded West (...by Modest Mouse lul) plz. it's post-hardcore I assure you. Thing owns
vult 01.01.24	Love 80
constantchange 01.13.24	what'd you think @BMDrummer
Mort. 01.13.24	@constantchange i listened to casey a couple of days ago and am really not a fan. the sentimentality/melodrama as you said is overbearing. really not my thing. and in regards to Modest Mouse, i have been meaning to check them out for years, i like the song 3rd Planet and thats about it
Mort. 02.27.24	this is missing girls against boys & shudder to think & Hot snakes
constantchange 03.01.24	and Modest Mouse
4N4LB34D5 03.02.24	AYOOOO wait a minute hold the fuck up how the FUCK is cherubs not on here???? heroin man, short of popular, and 2ynfynyty are all INDOMITABLE BANGERS
Mort. 03.02.24	i do love cherubs but like unsane the and the jesus lizard, i prefer to keep my noise rock separate