EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | My goal is to come to some sort of consensus on what constitutes progressive rock. |
TheNotrap
11.04.11 | music that aims to break boundaries |
Masochist
11.04.11 | That's an over-reaching goal, isn't it? But oh, well, I'll bite.
First two I have no problem with whatsoever. DEP, I don't really listen to, so maybe. Still...it's not just multiple genres and complex rhythms that should define a progressive rock band, IMO...otherwise, what's to stop, say, iwrestledabearonce from being labeled progressive?
#4, on the other hand, I feel is absolutely progressive. They have a pretty solid structure, but it's not just the fact that they make concept albums, but the fact that the entire band is one BIG concept. They push the storytelling aspect of music farther than perhaps any other band in the past half-century, AND they do it using whatever music is best suited (also...listen to 'Second Stage...' and then 'From Fear...' and tell me they don't incorporate multiple genres). So yeah, they're definitely progressive. And I'm not even that big a fan.
#5...they're different, but I don't really define them as "Progressive," per say. They're more...art rock. Like Dredg or Mew or even Mae (and don't ask me to define that, cause I don't really know what it means :-P).
Really, though, I think "Progressive" is a term that is as vague as "Pop" when it comes to music and genres. It's a monumental thing to try and define. |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | It's rock music that combines elements of jazz and Western classical music and sometimes Western folk, usually with narrative and/or abstract lyrics. It's also known for complex harmonies and arrangements and multiple movements within songs. |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | If you want a breakdown of symphonic prog, krautrock, zeuhl, avant-prog, Canterbury scene, and Andalusian rock, I can probably help there too. |
BigHans
11.04.11 | p/ |
omnipanzer
11.04.11 | p/ |
BigHans
11.04.11 | Hans... what is p/ ?
^ Im sure you can figure it out if you really try |
BigHans
11.04.11 | well m/ is a way of saying fucking metal so naturally p/ is a way of saying PROG |
omnipanzer
11.04.11 | "^ Im sure you can figure it out if you really try"
I remembered, hence my edit. ;^) |
omnipanzer
11.04.11 | It started in my thread after all, or at least that was the first time I saw it. |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | Angel nailed it. Prog rock is also distinctive by its variety of instruments that is usually used into classical music like flutes, violin, cello... Mellotron is also often omnipresent. Hammond organ and Moog synths as well. Notrap is also right; Prog aim was to push the boundaries of mainstream rock. |
JamieTwort
11.04.11 | p/ |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | P/ |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | Just deleting comments that have nothing to do with contributing... |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | Like we have to worry about that... |
Maniac!
11.04.11 | King Crimson rules!
there, I contributed my opinion on this list |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | Thanks bro! |
Maniac!
11.04.11 | DEP are cool, C&C are terribllllllle |
Maniac!
11.04.11 | Deleting Angel's comment? I really do not like you now. |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | Oh and why prog rock uses Mellotrons, organs and moog synths? It's to recreate a symphonic mood and thus to be ''grandiose'' and close to a full orchestra sonority, orchestra that several prog bands have included into their music, here or there. |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | I'll let it slide... : ) I like them both but C&C are hit and miss. Don't think they are a progressive rock band by any stretch of the term. Unless, that is, making concept albums makes you progressive rock. I am not an authority on progressive rock. Just interested to hear what people think. I heard Fair to midland after much fanfare and thought it sounded like disturbed's guitarist puked all over a circa survive album and got the lead singer of System of a Down to Grunt/scream on it from time to time. |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | I'm not looking for people to chime in with one liners about how this or that band sucks or to attempt to get people rattled by insulting the genre. The bands listed above were various uses of the title progressive rock that I either agree or disagree with, not necessarily bands I like a lot. |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | It happens that I edit my comments couple of time. Sorry, it may be because I'm a French speaker. |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | So what separates Jazz fusion and prog rock? |
Maniac!
11.04.11 | Music |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | Jazz Fusion is generally a subgenre of prog rock. It's most of the time instrumental, it flirts with either funky, latin and indian feels (jazz in general obvs). It's jam oriented and electric guitar (even electric violin sometimes) is in front. |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | It seems the dude dont want more than 30 comments on his thread. |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | I'm just generally interested to hear what people think about Prog rock as a genre. Because I think people throw the term around too loosely. For instance; I don't like the band Rush, I think they are overrated and though I'm no expert on them what I have heard of them doesn't sound like progressive rock. Fair to midland is the same. A band that is called progressive by people who seem to know what they are talking about yet I don't hear it at all. |
BigHans
11.04.11 | Theres one problem here. YOu made a prog list without fucking RUSH |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | lol Angel |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp
/thread thank you goodnite |
UnnamedOcean
11.04.11 | Saying Fair to Midland are progressive is quite a stretch. But overall, prog has become a very widespread genre without a definitive sound. You can say King Crimson and Rush are prog, and then Porcupine Tree, The Mars Volta, and Oceansize are as well. One thing to note is that modern progressive bands sound very, very different than 70s bands. |
ZilbelPing
11.04.11 | I use the term progressive as an artist that pushes the norm of a said genre with different/obscure time signatures and complex harmonics. Can have concepts in the music and blending of different styles.
So for me bands like King Crimson, TMV, Co&Ca, BTBAM, Protest the Hero, Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, and TDEP are progressive (metal, rock). |
Wolfhorde
11.04.11 | The base of Fusion Jazz (or vice versa) is jazz, the one of prog rock is rock. Just listen to Uncle Moe's Space Ranch and compare it to stuff like King Crimson.
Edit: Jethro was faster, but he's also pretty much prog authority. |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | P/ |
InAbsentia
11.04.11 | P/ is the new m/
Opeth = pm/ |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | You totally nailed it, Wolf. I'd also add that it happens that jazz fusion has no element of prog at all if it has more leaning toward latin, funky or electric jazz. Electric Jazz is jazz merged with electric instruments...not necessarily with prog music on that matter. |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | lol Angel P/ |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | Well I have to go to lunch now, I'll come back and delete all angels comments in about 45 minutes. Have at it till then! |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | "I'm not looking for people to chime in with one liners about how this or that band sucks or to attempt to get people rattled by insulting the genre."
"Opeth Sucks (and Other Observations)" |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | apocalypse in 9/8, you can delete mine too, my English is terrible. |
johnnyblaze
11.04.11 | niiice. ^
@Angel |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | Maybe you'll do us all a favor and delete your account too while you're at it. |
Jethro42
11.04.11 | hahahahaha |
JamieTwort
11.04.11 | lol |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | back! anyway thanks to those who participated!
Angel - I fail to understand your comment. I can see you are attempting a "sick burn" here. But what you are linking is a thread I made to troll silly people who like opeth and point out how horrible they are. It does not conflict in anyway with me wanting to keep this thread serious. |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | lol |
Maniac!
11.04.11 | "Angel - I fail to understand your comment. I can see you are attempting a "sick burn" here. But what you are linking is a thread I made to troll silly people who like opeth and point out how horrible they are. It does not conflict in anyway with me wanting to keep this thread serious."
I knew you were a troll |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | I'm half troll. Angel is full idiot... and he pretends to like classical music. One of my pet peeves. |
Maniac!
11.04.11 | "Angel is full idiot... and he pretends to like classical music. One of my pet peeves."
Don't act like you know anyone's listening habits |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | I'm half troll. Angel is full idiot... and he pretends to like classical music. One of my pet peeves. |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | I wouldn't be very good at trolling if I didn't... |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | sick burn |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | People who listen to shitty deathmetal always pretend to like classical music because they think it makes them look like they know something about music and/or makes them look "dark". |
Maniac!
11.04.11 | "People who listen to shitty deathmetal always pretend to like classical music because they think it makes them look like they know something about music and/or makes them look "dark"."
I hope you're like this in real life. |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | like what? |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | Keep on digging that hole; it's going swimmingly for you so far. |
Keyblade
11.04.11 | so is this a troll thread or what? |
BigHans
11.04.11 | This is amusing, i dont see Angel fight much |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | Yeah, it is now. The discussion ended a while back. Now I'm just messing with some deathmetal fanboy who pretends to like classical music. |
BigHans
11.04.11 | I think Angel legitimately likes Clasical he's a pretty classy dude overall. |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | we'll see where that takes us... |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | It's possible, but I doubt it... |
Keyblade
11.04.11 | so if somebody who likes dm likes classical, he's automatically pretending? gotcha. |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | More than likely yes. I'm yet to be proven wrong but it could happen. |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | You forgot to mention I pretend to like jazz, blues, folk, shoegaze, indie, post-rock, thrash, black metal, ambient, industrial, post-punk, post-metal, sludge, drone, noise, crust, hardcore, d-beat, powerviolence, slowcore, dubstep, hip-hop, and some other shit. |
Keyblade
11.04.11 | nice generalization there man. |
coneren
11.04.11 | angel is gay |
Aids
11.04.11 | you guys show this guy some respect ok he's named after a Tool song and he's 27 years old let's be real here for a second |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | No I didn't, I just don't care that you pretend to like those things... |
Keyblade
11.04.11 | you only care that he pretends to like classical. odd. |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | Bro, have you even heard Budgie? |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | Didn't think so.
/thread |
coneren
11.04.11 | that proves angels gayness |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | Stay out of this, whore. |
coneren
11.04.11 | no i want to be one of you |
BigHans
11.04.11 | You forgot to mention I pretend to like jazz, blues, folk, shoegaze, indie, post-rock, thrash, black metal, ambient, industrial, post-punk, post-metal, sludge, drone, noise, crust, hardcore, d-beat, powerviolence, slowcore, dubstep, hip-hop, and some other shit.
^ Thats awesome Angel but needs moar hair metal |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | Another thing that bugs me is people like Angel here who think that consuming an immense amount of bad music makes up for taste, or people who think that competing to see who can like the most crappy and obscure bands makes them cool or superior.
Sputnik is in no shortage of the comment:
"You haven't heard of ________?! What an idiot!" |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | Yeah, I pretend to like a few hair metal albums too.
Actually, I really just pretend to listen to death metal too.
I don't even listen to music.
Music sucks. |
BigHans
11.04.11 | dude Angel has some elitist leans but he also listens to manly metal like Diamond Head so he's a boss in my book. |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | No, it just proves you're stupid for not getting an obvious joke. |
BigHans
11.04.11 | Angel also Thrashes hard m/ |
coneren
11.04.11 | angel is retarded eon no point in arguing he is too stupid dont worry he shits the bed even |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | m/ |
coneren
11.04.11 | what is that looks like your penis angel confirmed for being gay i knew it |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | If this were a RL conversation I could win this troll fight with a simple "What is your favorite composition by Mozart?" and laugh while he goes all Sarah Palin, but alas he has access to google.(I'm guessing that is also the source of most of the music he has rated) |
coneren
11.04.11 | its like 10-0 for you eon angel is a fag |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | Ah, The Trees. The song makes me think of the Kurt Vonnegut short story "Harrison Bergeron", which presents a world where absolutely social equality is enforced by crippling those with special abilities so they are at the same level as the lowest common denominator. It's essentially a clever retelling of the "tall poppy syndrome", where people want to cut people with more money, talent, better looks, or whatever, down to size. I'm not sure if at the end the maples have arranged to have the oaks literally cut down to size, or if the maples' agitations have led to the whole forest being clear cut, but either way it's a clever jibe at those who nurse resentments and want to bring down those above them in some way. |
coneren
11.04.11 | nice copy and paste angel you r idiot penis |
DoubtGin
11.04.11 | idiot penises |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | access to google |
coneren
11.04.11 | doubt shut up are you on my side or not and hey fuck yeah go eon he is winning eon you are cool oh wait youre a faggot too what am i saying you cunthole |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | Ah, The Fountain of Lamneth. The idea that this song is about a person's life cycle is interesting. Still, anyone with familiarity with LSD will attest that this song has a psychedelic interpretation. "(eyes) are open very wide" refers to the large pupils of an LSD taker. The "no one at the bridge" part tells of the horrors of a bad trip. "Panacea" relates the blessing of a good trip. "Have I left my life behind" refers to the feeling during a trip that the tripper has "died" and been resurrected. The beginning and end parts pertain to the "I AM THAT I AM" god-definition of "yahweh", a solipsistic experience of godhood that psychedelic-takers and religious mystics have. There is zero chance that this song has no psychedelic connotations. |
coneren
11.04.11 | angel proving to be a stupid butt fucker as usual just give up oh wait nevermind but almost |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | Coneren, you are quite funny. You play the part of the ignorant pre-pubescent hate monger quite admirably. |
AngelofDeath
11.04.11 | Now that the coast is clear, I'm moving out of here. It's time to disappear - with you to where the
skies are blue. I want you by my side, don't look so mystified. You know I said I'd always take yo,
throw silver spoons across the waves to you. Back when it a, I was your highway man. Now I've got a
different plan For yo, with the stars above down on love beach. I'm gonna make lov, on love beach Make
all your dreams come true, on love beach Gonna make love to you, on love beach Gonna make your dreams
come true, on love beach Gonna make love to you, on love beach... |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | see now you have me all aroused... |
coneren
11.04.11 | i would rather play the part of a guy who likes penises |
EonblueApocalypse84
11.04.11 | Let's never fight again. |
coneren
11.04.11 | 100 comments congrats everyone! |
Cipieron
11.05.11 | i'm sure it's been said, but 5 isn't prog |
