Spec: Defining Metalcore

Spec 10.22.10	Please don't just tear apart my picks. Metalcore is a mindfuck.
Spec 10.22.10	I tried to change 7A7P so artwork would show. It still didn't work and now I have "R"'s errrrrrryyywhere.
Drunk 10.22.10	Good list actually
JustJoe. 10.22.10	Hoorah for 8
ffs 10.22.10	some preeeee good stuff here but im sure some people are going to squeal "not metalcore!!!" about some stuff. who cares
Spec 10.22.10	Yeah you can't avoid that.
adhoc 10.22.10	1 is just incredible
Spec 10.22.10	It's almost like places such as Hot Topic are turning it into a fashion more so than concentrating on the music.
Spec 10.22.10	Well, music in general, I know they don't only focus on metalcore.
pand3m0nium 10.22.10	Nice list, especially #1. The only band I completely object to here is Avenged Sevenfold.
Yordy 10.22.10	I've never heard of 16, I'll give it a listen.
Desolator 10.22.10	I don't see how 1 is the best here, I have of malice and the magnum heart and I thought it was kind of average idk
Pyosisified 10.22.10	wtf 6
Thor 10.22.10	list started off really awesome and then got lulzy
Pyosisified 10.22.10	"21-30 are albums I don't like" is it clear now
NeroCorleone80 10.22.10	yea wtf? this is a makeshift list
UnderDaIce 10.22.10	12 isn't metalcore and 21-27 should not be recommended
Pyosisified 10.22.10	"21-30 are albums I don't like" [2]
Spec 10.22.10	"21-30 are albums I don't like" [3]
Spec 10.22.10	The point is that all these albums are categorized under the same genre. And fuck off, 12 has metalcore influences.
Drunk 10.22.10	agreed metalcore is kind of a stupid genre
UnderDaIce 10.22.10	Kind of in the vocals but I'd say 12 is more sludge metal and hardcore influenced. To each their own I suppose
Spec 10.22.10	Regardless, would you agree that the genre metalcore is deeply flawed?
snerefedsav 10.22.10	people need to stop hating on prada. zombie ep was good haha
witchxrapist 10.22.10	loling so hard
Nikkolae 10.22.10	list needs moar skycamefalling its a pretty stupid thing if ya ask me, but i guess as with every genre of music you've got your good band, mediocre bands, and shitty bands, but i think what makes music elites bitch bout metalcore has alot more to do with the scene and how it affects the bands than the music itself.
taroo 10.22.10	LOL! Metalcore sucks!
10barnesj 10.22.10	some really good picks in 4, 10, 11, 27, 28. some of the others not so much but overall good list
Gorification 10.22.10	i only like 2 and 10.
Spec 10.25.10	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Beg_hAGRXvM Best live video of Misery Signals ever. They played Year Summer Ended in June and Jesse helped out with vocals. Gives me chills every time.
BigTuna 10.25.10	seriously why are some of these on here
Satellite 10.25.10	you better be trolling with 21-30.
Spec 10.25.10	21-30 are albums I dont like.
HighandDriving 10.25.10	Wow this is such a failure of a list. It's almost as if you tried your hardest to make yourself appear as a joke. You succeeded.
Emim 10.25.10	Howdy, sunshine :)
Satellite 10.25.10	oh. well it's a wide encompassing genre; you could make the same complaint with any other style of music.
BigTuna 10.25.10	OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, I mistook "Defining" for "Definitive"
Spec 10.25.10	Please read the summary.
HighandDriving 10.25.10	Please leave Sputnik.
BigTuna 10.25.10	I did I just still mistook it MY BAD
Emim 10.25.10	HighandDriving? moar liek HighandTrolling
Spec 10.25.10	I'm pretty sure he's from the forum site.
Emim 10.25.10	I'm positive that's where he's from. Btw, not a bad list, man
porch 10.25.10	oh i remember H&D from the minus the bear thread he tried to troll, got butthurt, triple posted and left. good times
HighandDriving 10.25.10	Oh, I remember porch from.......nothing. Gonna go bump that minus the bear thread though, so ya, thanks.
Spec 10.25.10	You're not very good at trolling...
Jakeitwasaghost 10.25.10	I actually like 29. Catchy.
HighandDriving 10.25.10	I'm not trolling, bro. This is a terrible list, just cause I point out your faults does not mean I'm trolling.
Jakeitwasaghost 10.25.10	^ HighandDriving, you 5'ed Alanis Morissette's Jagged Little Pill. You go through a bad divorce where your husband cheated on you?
HighandDriving 10.25.10	No, I'm Canadian.
MoistMike 10.25.10	Why the monkey mouth fuck is trivium in a defining metalcore list?!?! and why isnt Jane Doe on here?
ffs 10.25.10	lmao all the dumb cunts who dont read the description. also he means defining metalcore as in "is metalcore 1-20 or is it 21-30?", not "this list is definitive metalcore".
Spec 10.25.10	READ THE FUCKING SUMMARY! FUCK FUCK FUCKKKKKKKK
Jakeitwasaghost 10.25.10	So by that logic, why have you not 5'ed Avril Lavigne
Emim 10.25.10	"No, I'm Canadian." Well, that explains everything.
adhoc 10.25.10	9 r00lz
HighandDriving 10.25.10	Cuz Avril Lavigne is not a national treasure like Alanis.
witchxrapist 10.25.10	idk her booty is an international treasure
HighandDriving 10.25.10	Touche
Spec 10.26.10	Pretty much.
Ovrot 10.26.10	Metalcore is defined by when it sucks
tkxxx7 10.26.10	I don't see why so few of these fuckers neglected to read the summary. I figured that would happen. Love Misery Signals btw
Emim 10.26.10	How the hell can you even put Atreyu on the same list as Botch!? God, this is the most stupid list I have ever seen!
xfearbefore 10.26.10	20 is the best metalcore record ever. Though it's technically more mathcore.
ffs 10.26.10	you like fear before huh
xfearbefore 10.26.10	What tipped you off? Don't mind the name, been using it for 6 years so I just instinctively use it whenever I sign up for anything. Not my favorite band, but their first album is one of my favorite records ever.
tkxxx7 10.27.10	See Enim ^^^^^ smh
deftones27 10.27.10	17 needs to be upped
Emim 10.27.10	"See Enim ^^^^^ smh" Huh?
climactic 10.27.10	The way I look at it there's three different types of metalcore. Melodic-death influenced metalcore, with the minor riffs and such but hardcore sensibilites and breakdowns (AILD, All that Remains). Then there's the shit metalcore with millions of breakdowns and whiny vocals (stuff the sceneies eat up, like Attack Attack and TDWP). And finally there's the awesome, math-y stuff most people on here love (DEP, Converge etc). Usually the first two are the kinds that are mocked.
bloc 10.27.10	I've never seen Em so mad before...
climactic 10.27.10	Guys do I sound like an idiot or does my interpretation make sense?
Emim 10.27.10	I'M FUCKING RAGING, BRO
bloc 10.27.10	It makes sense actually
Emim 10.27.10	123
climactic 10.27.10	kewl.
ConsiderPhlebas 10.27.10	"How is it that revery album on the list is rcategorized under the same genre?" More than half of these bands don't call themselves metalcore. Some, like Converge, are pretty vocal about their derision for the term. The reason so many bands get lumped into it, though, is because both original genres are as exansive as any genre, so when put together the possibility for variety is magnified. There's no need to split into endless sub-sub-sub genres. If it mixes elements of hardcore with metal then it's just easy to call it metalcore.
deathofasalesman 10.27.10	1234 @ climactic
sonorirish 04.30.11	good god, trivium is not metalcore
TheSpirit 04.30.11	good list
Wolfhorde 04.30.11	18 isn't metalcore. Why it's laughed at? Most bands are just plain boring and generic.
thecwo 04.30.11	Please just fuck avenged sevenfold
witchxrapist 05.01.11	30 is so nostalgic for me haha. @Wolfhorde that's definitely a metalcore album.
Trebor. 05.01.11	I would call 21-30 fauxcore.
IAmHollywood 05.01.11	LIST WAS GOOD THEN IT WAS NOT SO GOOD HI GUYS AM I LATE? I DIDN'T READ THE SUMMARY
tkxxx7 05.01.11	everyone note the difference between core and coar
MalleusMaleficarum 05.01.11	all the bad bands that you call metalcore are actually just shitty post hardcore bands
tkxxx7 05.01.11	well that's fairly untrue
Foreversaved 05.01.11	I love 10 so much
Spec 05.01.11	Yeah man, look at all that post hardcore.
Ovrot 05.02.11	It says I posted here but I don't remember posting here.