rc1288: Best Of... Black Metal!

BallsToTheWall 10.14.10	Branikald and Walknut.
SCREAM! 10.14.10	ugh krallice Check out Borgne, Belenos and Woods Of Desolation
Hawks 10.14.10	Scream did you see my black metal list from today? Got your boy from SIG:AR:TYR on it!
AngelofDeath 10.14.10	List is pretty good.
SCREAM! 10.14.10	yeah i saw it earlier but had to leave before i got to comment on it. Pretty cool minus a few questionable ones
BallsToTheWall 10.14.10	Yeah but you included Children of Bodom and Abigail Williams, at #1 no less. No one should listen to that faggoty band, I was victim, don't let anyone else do the same. 1st krieg commandos would not approve of your softening faggotry.
Hawks 10.14.10	Well yeah I know, but it's just entry level stuff mostly
SCREAM! 10.14.10	its had dimmu and cradle too. If you enter people into fagotty bm they stay stuck in faggoty bm (yes im talking about you hawks ;) )
BallsToTheWall 10.14.10	Anybody who wants an easy entrance to black metal can go hang themselves with a string of razorblades. You don't get into the genre because of entrancing melodies and rainbow sprite synths. Raw fuckign hatred and aggression. Honestly I think I could deck a person if I knew this little youth groupwas goin on in real life.
AngelofDeath 10.14.10	Pretty much hit the nail on the head. And none of yall fairy fucks commented on my list. So suck it.
Ire 10.14.10	Entry level black metal is the gayest fucking thing ever.
SCREAM! 10.14.10	"Anybody who wants an easy entrance to black metal can go hang themselves with a string of razorblades." best thing ever
FadeToBlack 10.14.10	some good some bad
Hawks 10.14.10	Balls you always say that and I always say the same thing, it was in alphabetical order.
BallsToTheWall 10.14.10	Still bro
ButcheredChildren 10.14.10	kool list I guess
Hawks 10.14.10	I know, I know. Still had some stuff on there that you like though.
rasputin 10.14.10	some cool stuff on here, some shitty stuff too though props for mentioning abyssic hate
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	You get props for 11 and 3. I wrote a review for it a long time ago, but most people ignored it. And, im sorry to all you kvlt people, but your a dirty lying bastard if you say the first time you heard under produced, raw, satanic black metal and said "this is the most brilliant thing ever". There is no plunging headlong into black metal.
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	A review for 11 that is.
ButcheredChildren 10.14.10	"There is no plunging headlong into black metal." THANK YOU, needed to be said
rasputin 10.14.10	if you already listen to extreme metal, getting into black metal is not so difficult. only certain styles may be a little off putting at first, but, for example, none of the albums on this list would be hard to get into if you already listened to various forms of extreme metal
AngelofDeath 10.14.10	The first stuff I heard was the classics, (De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, In the Nightside Eclipse, etc.) and it clicked pretty quickly. Good music is good music. Rasp is certainly right too.
ButcheredChildren 10.14.10	Took me 2 years listening to metal to get into black metal, my gateway album was Twilight Of The Idols and now I'm addicted
Hawks 10.14.10	Well the classics are the easiest way to get into it. Then you branch out into the more obscure stuff.
Dryden 10.14.10	Branikald is awesome
rasputin 10.14.10	the first black metal band i got into was bathory. i listened to it when i was about 13 or 14 and thought wtf is this shit then about a month later i was back heiling the darkness. after that i sort of got into both accessible types of bm and less accessible ones simultaneously, though a lot of the former i barely ever listen to anymore some of the best bands, for example peste noire, should click straight away. as angelofdeath says, if it's good music, you can appreciate it for that
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	Double post.
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	@rasputin That's exactly what i meant. They're jumping all over Hawks for introducing people to gateway black metal. Who cares? The first band i listened to that was even remotely tied in some form or another to black metal was Cradle of Filth. I doubt i'd be listening to what i do now with out it. Some people need it, why dock them for having a less expansive knowledge of music?
AngelofDeath 10.14.10	I wouldn't say they're necessarily the easiest way to get into black metal, but I'm going to suggest listening to them first before what may be more "accessable" stuff from the genre. No sense giving a false impression about the genre. It is what is. So what if it scares people?
Hawks 10.14.10	Exactly. Cradle was the first black metal band I got into and listening to that helped me branch out into stuff like Emperor and Ulver and then now of course into things like Coldworld, Ash Borer, etc.
rasputin 10.14.10	i dont see the connection between listening to cradle of filth and getting into black metal to be honest i never liked cradle of filth, in fact i thought they were awful from day one
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	I'm not saying they are black metal. I'm saying that's the first band that introduced me to the phrase. It exposed the genre, not necessarily defined it.
SCREAM! 10.14.10	i lsitened to dimmy for a bit thinking i was all cool and shit. Then i discovered Det Som Engang Var (the song) and the world changed
Hawks 10.14.10	Cradle opened a lot of doors for me with not only black metal, but extreme metal in general. They have an accessible sound while still having that black metal edge. And as Hyperion said, they're the first band I listened to that had anything to do with black metal.
rasputin 10.14.10	the best way to get into black metal is actually listening to the classics - burzum, darkthrone, an album or two of mayhem, and absolutely definitely bathory's earlier stuff. those albums are easy to listen to if you've listened to any metal before, and are not only really great albums, are actually black metal. im not saying those who listen to black metal shouldnt have started with the likes of cradle of filth because im sure it works for some that way too, but it's just a whole load of time and shitty bands before you get into anything good. why do that when you can just skip straight to some proper krieg.
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	Exactly. It was Cradle of Filth and Dimmu for me for a while back in middle school. I listened to Emperor once and was like wtf is this shit? Then one day, i was in a record shop in North Carolina, and they had In The Nightside Eclipse and i decided to get it for shits, turned it to Inno A Satana, and it just clicked. If everyone listened to Woods of Desolation as their first BM band i doubt many would stay.
Hawks 10.14.10	I agree Rasp. Listening to the classics could work for some to help get a feel where the genre came from and how it started. Both ways would work just fine. I'm sure it's different for different people. I couldn't stand Nattens Madrigal when I first heard it and now it's one of my favorite black metal albums. That's just how it was for me.
rasputin 10.14.10	disagree to the comment about woods of desolation, they're not really inaccessible at all also nattens madrigal was actually the first black metal CD i ever bought. i didn't think it was 'amazing' at first (well, i still don't) but it wasn't really difficult to get into. you just need to be prepared for the fact that black metal can be very underproduced.
Hawks 10.14.10	That's why I hated it at first, I wasn't prepared for that. It was probably the first really underproduced black metal album I heard and it turned me off immediately. Same with Emperor. Then I started getting more and more into it and eventually eased my way into that stuff.
AngelofDeath 10.14.10	Very true. Black metal I think was always meant for people who pay attention in general to the nuances and subtleties in music.
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	Woods of Desolation takes a very different approach to extreme metal than most bands. Most people coming from death metal or something else i don't think would be able to handle the low, almost background drums and vocals. It's just different. Besides the point, i completely agree, you have to be prepared for it, because it is so unconventional compared to what most people have heard. Thus why i see nothing wrong with these gateway bands.
Hawks 10.14.10	That's what makes it the best metal subgenre. There's so much more to it than just the music and it's very interesting once you get into it.
rasputin 10.14.10	woods of desolation aren't that unique dude, they just do what they do really well. the low drums and vocals is pretty much a standard characteristic of black metal, though not necessarily the vocals in most bands. i enjoy a lot of bm bands but i definitely wouldn't say it's the best metal subgenre
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	It really is. I bet there are more black metal subgenres (some better than others) than most conventional genres. I love the variety, innovation, and true musicianship that comes with it. At the risk of being a kvlt warrior, it just seems more pure in most cases.
Hawks 10.14.10	It's definitely the best to me. Like Hyperion said, there's so much variety. You can love the symphonic stuff and also love the most obscure band you can find, like me. All the stories behind the genre, such as the killings and church burnings and all that stuff is just intriguing.
AngelofDeath 10.14.10	The lore and history of black metal often comes off as very cartoonish in a way to me. And many of the godfathers of the genre are just crazy dipshits. But I will stand behind the music 100%.
rasputin 10.14.10	there's just as much variety in other sub-genres, that's not really a reason. you can definitely say it's your favourite, but you don't really have much of an argument in saying it's the outright best and for your information, there isn't any 'true' musicianship for most black metal bands, mostly a complete lack of resources so they just play feedback-ridden riffs through a broken amp, and in most cases it's terrible
Hawks 10.14.10	Well yeah I know I don't have an argument for saying it's the outright best. Nobody can say that any metal sub-genre is the outright best. That could never be proven. But yes, it's definitely the best to me.
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	I disagree completely. I think the lack of musicianship is the minority. (Musicianship does not equal technical skill). And i never really meant it was the best, only my favorite. To each his own i guess.
AngelofDeath 10.14.10	I would say there's quite a few bands in the genre with impressive musicianship. Like Deathspell Omega, 1349, and even Mayhem and Emperor at times. Not gonna go as far as to say Varg is a talented guitar player or drummer though.
rasputin 10.14.10	'I disagree completely. I think the lack of musicianship is the minority. (Musicianship does not equal technical skill).' are you serious? do you know how many black metal bands there actually are?
TheSpirit 10.14.10	This thread is awesome, one of the best I've seen that actually gets relatively deep into black metal
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	Broken down, In The Nightside Eclipse is an extremely musically technical album. The amount of work that went into that is very difficult to achieve. And that's why we have variety. Anyone who listens to the same shit all the time must get very bored.
TheSpirit 10.14.10	There are definitely far fewer black metal bands that actually display any true technical skill
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	"are you serious? do you know how many black metal bands there actually are?" Do you know how many musical acts there are?
Hawks 10.14.10	Amen to that Spirit. And yes compared to death metal or thrash or something like that, black metal has way less bands that have actual technical skill. That's what makes black metal so great though. You don't need amazing, mind blowing technicality to get your point across.
rasputin 10.14.10	no I don't, I don't see how that's relevant. my point is that there is a shitload of black metal out there, and the majority of it is void of talent, and completely shit. you said this was not true, which is a little ridiculous
AngelofDeath 10.14.10	Yeah, I do see your point rasp. There are sooo many bands who just pick up shit equipment and play trebly and feedback-ridden tremolo picked riffs and think they're a musically accomplished black metal outfit.
Hawks 10.14.10	Oh yeah there's definitely tons of shitty black metal bands out there. Probably more than any other sub-genre tbh.
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	Again, musicianship DOES NOT equal technical skill. Anyone can write a pentatonic sweep with some chords under it. Only a few can actually make it sound good. Perfect example, my favorite black metal solo of all time is the one from Enslaved's Ground. Is it technically proficient? Not at all, i figured it out by ear in about a half an hour. But it is so fucking good.
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	And yes, Hawks is right, there is a lot of shitty BM, just like there is a lot of shitty music. That's not really a valid point.
rasputin 10.14.10	it's the same with any metal genre, but that's not what im trying to say anyway. i was just responding to the earlier statement about the 'majority' of black metal showing true musicianship
rasputin 10.14.10	yah, i don't think you actually understand what i'm trying to say. eveyrthing i've said so far has been in response to this statement: 'I disagree completely. I think the lack of musicianship is the minority. (Musicianship does not equal technical skill).' the lack of musicianship in black metal is absolutely certainly definitely NOT in the minority
TheSpirit 10.14.10	"Perfect example, my favorite black metal solo of all time is the one from Enslaved's Ground." OMG this so much
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	Ok, let me rephrase then, the majority that anyone listens to. I think the fact that the genre is open to literally anyone with the internet and a computer mic and guitar is what makes that a factor. The black metal that i like i like more than the other genres i like (in most cases), i guess that's a better wording of what i meant.
rasputin 10.14.10	yah so it's essentially you just saying that you like black metal plus, i'd also argue that the majority of the black metal that anyone listens to is pretty crap also. at least 3 out of every 4 of the bands hawks thinks is good isn't, for example. no offense hawks but you really ahve no standards when it comes to bm.
AngelofDeath 10.14.10	Favorite black metal solo is gonna have to be A Fine Day to Die, Freezing Moon, or Wind of the Night Forests.
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	No standards according to your veiwpoint. He may (and does) see it completely differently. Honestly, if you listened to only classic albums you'd get bored pretty fast.
Powerban 10.14.10	Join my bm band: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKzlfqmzpQ
rasputin 10.14.10	no he actually has no standards and likes pretty much anything that is labelled as black metal. he's even admitted it himself on several occasions. and having standards isnt the same as listening to only classic albums
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	"Evil muthafucka? I shot a muthafucka before." Lawl.
Bitchfork 10.14.10	If you haven't, listen to Gnaw Their Tongues, Ash Borer, Spektr, Wold and Ildjarn.
rasputin 10.14.10	who are you talking to bitchfork
Hawks 10.14.10	None taken Rasp. I realize that I like mostly all black metal and a lot of people don't like a lot of the bands that I like. I've accepted that fact a long, long time ago. I mean there's some things that I don't really like, but I do like that majority of black metal.
AngelofDeath 10.14.10	Probs the list maker.
Powerban 10.14.10	Haha, Hyperion. Yeah that vid is classic. Go watch it now guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKzlfqmzpQ
Hawks 10.14.10	I didn't even look at the video, but by Hyperion's comment it looks like it's the black metal prank call, which is fucking hilarious. I made the guy that does my tattoos watch it a few weeks ago and he almost pissed himself.
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	I guess were at a moot point then rasp. To each his own, i don't really think were going to convince each other of anything else. At least we can agree of a few black metal bands though :-)
rasputin 10.14.10	hawks, if you want some more bm to listen to, download everything from this that's rated 3 or above http://rateyourmusic.com/collection/Rasputin2/strm_h,ss.rd/black%20metal
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	Shit Hawks, you've got ink? You're taking it to a whole other level.
Powerban 10.14.10	Yeah, it is the bm prank call. "Mother fuckin devil walkin' down the street gonna kick you in the ass and stab you in the neck"
Hawks 10.14.10	Will do man, thanks.
Hawks 10.14.10	And yes Hyperion, I do lol.
Hyperion1001 10.14.10	Have you ever seen this one. It's pretty good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_e602jXw1s
Powerban 10.14.10	"You know what happens when I start the carrr!" Classic.
Bitchfork 10.14.10	"who are you talking to bitchfork" op.
DeafMetal 10.14.10	Good thread.
rc1288 10.14.10	Bitchfork, I have seen quite a lot of hype for Ash Borer lately (at least for a band that only released a demo). I must make sure to check it out. The others I have listened to before, Ildjarn is f*cking great! Well, good to see that one of my threads became a good niche for discussion.
SCREAM! 10.14.10	the bm prank call is funny until you realise just how fucking true it is