Nikkolae: I Truly Feel Like Crap...

Nikkolae 04.12.10	idk i guess it feels bad to watch a person killed without a tangible reason
kirktastic 04.12.10	what was in the video, i was stupid when i created a youtube account that said i was only 17
Nikkolae 04.12.10	http://www.desgarrador.com/foro/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=39314 just watch the video, everything else is in spanish
JWT155 04.12.10	Already saw this, fully support our troops on this.
Prophet178 04.12.10	Hahahah self owned Kirk.
Nikkolae 04.12.10	jwt i know, its just ugh, war sucks really :/
kirktastic 04.12.10	the video was too long, can someone just tell me what happened
JWT155 04.12.10	War sucks but it's necessary at times.
JWT155 04.12.10	Basically a bunch of guys were walking around with AK-47's which is illegal in Iraq, so a heli waited until they got permission and opened fire on a group of 8 guys right after supposedly they were seen y a guy in the group with an RPG. 10 mins later a van comes to collect the dead and they open fire on them too.
Nikkolae 04.12.10	war is a necesity i will give you that, but what happens in it, and how some atrocities happen in between it is just beyond my understanding
kirktastic 04.12.10	that's terrible...i think that the whole western world should just ban together and take over all the problem countries in the middle east that seems really stupid, but if it worked it might solve a lot of problems over there
JWT155 04.12.10	Imo that's the last thing that should happen, they obviously hate Western Culture so much and forcing them into a democratic system of Government isn't working at all.
Nikkolae 04.12.10	problem is most times it doesnt work, war never goes as planed, and such "collateral" damages happen all the time, we just find out about a few of them
Countess 04.12.10	"that seems really stupid, but if it worked it might solve a lot of problems over there" I agree that it seems really stupid
kirktastic 04.12.10	true jwt, but they clearly can't support themselves, and if we left them to their own devices there would be an all out war between the islamic states and Israel, at which point the US would have to become even more involved than we are now, which a lot of people don't want
Nikkolae 04.12.10	i think the only time a nation should intervein in a conflict thats not involving them is when it directly threatens it, otherwise i just think its best not to meddle into foreing politics, but since im not a politician my opinion counts jack
Trundle 04.12.10	this may settle your dispute http://motivateurself.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/c-c-c-combo-breaker.jpg
kirktastic 04.12.10	i agree with you completely nikkolae, the problem is if Iran or any of the other islamic countries goes to war with Israel, they'll come looking to the US for aid, and if we don't help them, there would be backlash throughout the rest of the western countries against the US for not coming to Israel's aid, so our hands are pretty much tied
Nikkolae 04.12.10	well you are right about israel but thats only cos the US is the biggest allie of that nation and supplies weapons for them, but dont you think thats aid enough?
americanmusicmachine 04.12.10	they should really use more prudence when killing a bunch a people, and the 'lol look at the dead people we just killed lol' makes those guys look like psychopaths.
kirktastic 04.12.10	It might be, but if Iran successfully develops their nukes then it might be a problem. It would basically be a nuclear war between the two, which we would get blamed for by letting it happen. I think we need to keep some troops there, but it shouldn't be solely up to us to maintain the peace.
Trundle 04.12.10	^ I don't think you'd still think that way if you were in their situation. It's a way to cope with what they're doing, and the stress they are under when having to deal with an enemy he hides among the populace.
americanmusicmachine 04.12.10	i agree w/ everything you said ross but still this whole thing terrible.
Nikkolae 04.12.10	yeah exactly, except for the fact that the us already has a enemy thats already developed nuclear power and thats North Corea, israel has enough enemies already but it should be their task to defend themselves, we are not supposed to Maintain others peace, thats the reason people claim america to be an imperialistic nation, dont get me wrong, we can help but only when its needed, not every single time poop hits the fan
kirktastic 04.12.10	we don't have to worry about north korea though, they don't have the technology to launch a missle that could reach us, and Israel should be able to defend themselves, but like I said before we would take the blame if they can't
kirktastic 04.12.10	^that's terrible someguest, of course you would post something like that
kirktastic 04.12.10	whatever dude, i don't feel like arguing with you
Nikkolae 04.12.10	well if north korea could of gained nuclear technology i have no doubt they'll be able to develope that if they want to
kirktastic 04.12.10	^dude. seriously. i don't even know how you got that out of any of my comments and i really don't feel like arguing with you.
kirktastic 04.12.10	well, on top of the lack a capability to reach us with any missles, Kim Jong Il is kicking the bucket soon, so it'd be up to his son to further pursue his conquest, which, quite frankly, i don't think he'll do.
Nikkolae 04.12.10	i guess we can both agree on that, just like it happend to fidel castro, now its all fine and dandy (ok maybe not but its better than what it used to be), lets just hope that the offspring of Il isnt crazier than his old man
kirktastic 04.12.10	someguest, you're an idiot. How would you feel to be in Iran right now, unable to say anything against the government without being executed. And if we left it as "survival of the fittest", no one would survive, we'd just nuke the shit out of each other until none of us were left.
Nikkolae 04.12.10	i get your point someguest, and i agree with you to some extent, i just think there shouldnt be such thing as a "bros" politic regarding foreing politic when you just go and fuck and entire country up just cos one of your allies is fighting it
kirktastic 04.12.10	"If that was supposed to happen it would have by now because free choice doesn't exist. Regardless of how a country treats its citizens we have absolutely no right to stick our noses into their shit." you know why that hasn't happened yet? because we have been there to prevent it from happening. if a country nuked us, or any of our allies, we would blow the shit out of them. and you're just looking the other way on human rights?
Ghostechoes 04.12.10	"Basically a bunch of guys were walking around with AK-47's..." One of the victims was a Reuters journalist, who was holding a camera.
kirktastic 04.12.10	what does free choice have to do with any of this?! i agree that the UN is completely useless, but we need some large power, be it us, western Europe, or Russia to maintain the peace between all these countries, or else one of the larger contries, or Israel would simply destroy the rest, and you just can't do that
kirktastic 04.12.10	someguest, you're saying you believe in fate? tell me, do you believe in a god?
Countess 04.12.10	someguest is making an otherwise depressing topic VERY entertaining
kirktastic 04.12.10	right, that makes sense. do you believe in right and wrong, you know, sin and what not?
Nikkolae 04.12.10	dont bring religion to the table, otherwise this shit is gonna blow up
kirktastic 04.12.10	dude that doesn't make any sense. if you believe in right and wrong then there has to be free choice, otherwise all of our actions wouldn't hold any meaning at all. You wouldn't be able to say what we're doing is wrong if their isn't any free choice, because that simply means that what we're doing now; we would've done anyways. i'd really like to discuss this further but it's off to bed for me.
Nikkolae 04.12.10	changed the list name from poopie to Crap, mods are doing their job i guess, but since when is profanity not allowed here?