Hyperion1001: world war 3 begins

Hyperion1001 02.28.26	rough times ahead brothers and sisters
SpiritCrusher2 02.28.26	ahhh yes usa spreading peace around the world once again
Hyperion1001 02.28.26	don’t forget Israel totally not committing genocide while peacekeeping the Middle East
SpiritCrusher2 02.28.26	oh yea that too
arthropod 02.28.26	YAY Putin gon blow up my yard and Trump gon blow up my economy I’m so happy
botb 02.28.26	Israel immediately bombing schools is the most on brand shit
Asdfp277 02.28.26	Horrible. And all because the u.s. wants stuff that doesn't belong to it
budgie 02.28.26	being alive has always been gay anyway
Josh D. 02.28.26	If anyone wants to smooch, now’s the time
smaugman 02.28.26	nothing's gonna come from this anyway
ShartHarder 02.28.26	didnt expect hawks vs tundra to escalate this much
smaugman 02.28.26	i'd be more supportive of this if it wasn't USA and Israel that attacked...
rabidfish 02.28.26	it was all in the stars. Fucking hell, we are toys of Fate in the end.
Asdfp277 02.28.26	nah, fuck fate, we just letting the epstein crew do whatever they want lol
Beardog 02.28.26	Oh well we only care about money anyway even though we have more than plenty in Europe. If a war doesn't start between humans then nature will start it on us some time
MTObsidian 02.28.26	I saw the news this morning and my only thought was: "Can we... can we just not..."
Motiv3 02.28.26	Another dumb escalation that will hopefully not lead to anything hugely major.
Asdfp277 02.28.26	wild that 'nothing major' is even a posibility after bombing a primary school (not saying you're wrong for wanting that, it's just trippy to think about it)
Relinquished 02.28.26	it’s going to get worse
AlkemestRedux 02.28.26	I think they're going for it this time. I don't know what 'it' is but definitely nothing good. It's gonna be a long campaign I think because Iran has stockpiled resources, and it's basically impossible to get troops to Tehran. So instead the US and our lapdogs in Israel are just gonna kill as many civilians as we can.
Intothepit 02.28.26	Our lapdogs? As far as I'm concerned, we are Israel's lapdogs.
zakalwe 02.28.26	Biblical
Asdfp277 02.28.26	israel is just another u.s. state tbh
AlkemestRedux 02.28.26	Yee Israel would have been wiped off the map several times over if Uncle Sam didn't bail them out. They're useful sin-eaters for empire. Notice that Israel kicked it off so Trump could turn around and say 'well now we have to get involved' even though he's been moving our whole fleet over there for months. It's all a ruse, this was always the plan.
JerseyJimmy 02.28.26	if it's any consolation, everything I've heard sounds like the US and Israel are getting absolutely fucking bodied. which, yeah, no shit, Iran's had almost half a century of prep time.
Kusangii 02.28.26	I am beyond happy to be born in Sweden.
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	“KAMALA WILL SEND YOUR SONS TO WAR” - Stephen Miller, 10/24
Hyperion1001 02.28.26	"I think they're going for it this time. I don't know what 'it' is but definitely nothing good." israel realizes that they are quickly losing/have already lost all support with younger generations in the west and this is basically their last shot at being able to drag the US into a war riding off support from all the dumb christian boomers.
Pooter9000 02.28.26	Israel was a mistake, purely and simply.
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	It’s actually antisemitic to not support genocide guys
Trundle 02.28.26	i love how we still have to pretend that there aren't any direct ties between the honeypot pedo ring and the most unhinged terrorist country on earth that has bilked trillions from the west, i guess 15 years of direct communications with the heads of state israel and epstein isn't enough
Demon of the Fall 02.28.26	has anyone got a list of the safest countries vs how easy it is to gain citizenship? A nice line graph or something wouldn’t go amiss annoyingly all my non-British ties are US / mainland European related & I’m seeking somewhere more obscure
AlkemestRedux 02.28.26	Probably south America lol Nobody is gonna nuke Peru.
Asdfp277 02.28.26	peru has been having a lot of political unrest as of lately, but not nuclear holocaust levels of it
Pooter9000 02.28.26	What Trundle said. Literal cancer of a country.
thatdeftkid 02.28.26	Sounds like everyone needs to go outside And leave the bunker to me... :)
brickhed 02.28.26	hmm... epstien files come out... information gets shadowbanned since everyone rich is in there... Trump says "oh yeah NOW is the time for war". Conicidence? I think NOT
Kusangii 02.28.26	He's apparently mentioned more in the files than Jesus is mentioned in the bible. That should tell you everything of what type of a human being he is, but anyone that's not retarded or brainwashed already knows. Literal dirt.
Trundle 02.28.26	Only the most moral people would scrub away the other 10 million victims of the holocaust, who were killed in the very same camps, from pop culture, such morals, definitively doesn’t warrant any critical thinking It says so much about the Zionist political movement, I have never in my life heard a single Jewish person say anything remotely similar to the utterly unhinged stuff Israelis say themselves
budgie 02.28.26	"has anyone got a list of the safest countries vs how easy it is to gain citizenship? if youre a middle class middle wealth middle age adult in a western state you arent getting citizenship to anywhere worth getting citizenship
Demon of the Fall 02.28.26	oh I’d never leave, it was a joke. Unless some mad fuck nukes the entire island I should be fine (and no-one is safe if it gets to that point). I just feel for those who don’t have such luxuries.
budgie 02.28.26	so many people stateside fully think they can just up and move to switzerland on a whim its hilarious
RVAHC13 02.28.26	The youth of this country deserve better than to be collateral for such aimless stupidity
Trundle 02.28.26	So true budgie, like there have been Americans and Canadians who moved to Russia for “political asylum” and all that “freedom” Russia is known for, then they get taxed heavily, then criticize the government online and are shocked when they get a knock on the door lol.
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	I mean the US is literally already there.
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	“but anyone that's not retarded or brainwashed already knows” ya I was 18 when that fucking douchebag first got elected and I knew he was bad news even then, grown ass adults acting ignorant have no fucking excuse. Everybody that voted for him has blood on their hands. They just killed like 50 elementary school kids and maimed a hundred others and that’s just one instance. Was Hamas hiding in the school? Anybody that’s still MAGA should self delete
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	But hey at least the eggs are cheaper right guys
thatdeftkid 02.28.26	Just so we're clear... We're saying that Kamala would've done a much better job?
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	Clearly. And fuck her too actually, for being such a weak fucking candidate that she lost to this fat steaming pile of shit
thatdeftkid 02.28.26	Calm down
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	I’m not going off on you but this is incredibly frustrating. We’ve been screaming from the rooftops about how bad this asshole is for a decade and people are just now starting to wake up.
thatdeftkid 02.28.26	People actually seem to like him even more than they previously did, from what I'm seeing
Asdfp277 02.28.26	whats ur point in bringing up kamala @thatdeftkid
thatdeftkid 02.28.26	She was the other choice for the election
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	“ People actually seem to like him even more than they previously did, from what I'm seeing” Unreal. Good thing I don’t have Twitter or Facebook because my ass would probably be in jail right now.
Kusangii 02.28.26	Musk probably rigged the election anyway so I don't think Kamala is to blame.
thatdeftkid 02.28.26	The people of Iran seem to be pretty pleased, which is sort of ironic
Scoot 02.28.26	the world has sucked ass since covid
Kusangii 02.28.26	It has felt like a dystopia ever since tbh
Calc 02.28.26	just read they killed the ayatollah holy shit
Hyperion1001 02.28.26	reminder that everything you see on the internet is fake and fabricated and like 70% of internet traffic is bots.
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	“ the world has sucked ass since covid” I really couldn’t tell if it was just me getting older or if that really was the case. Probably a mix of the two. “just read they killed the ayatollah holy shit” well, pack it up. We’re literally diving headfirst into WW3. Hopefully I’ll get spared from the draft. I’ll do my finest Ted Nugent impression if that means I don’t have to defend the holy land from its terrible enemies that they attacked first.
unclereich 02.28.26	what's crazy is this isn't the worst thing trump has done this year. his tariffs have caused damage that will last for years similar to his covid era spending that plunged the country into recession and caused hyper inflation. pair that with his newly crowned head of the fed, Kevin Warsh- the son in law of Ronald Lauder the unofficial white house advisor on israel and the president of the world jewish congress- we have ourselves all the ingredients for another 2008!
Josh D. 02.28.26	RFK has probably set so many things in health and medicine back generations.
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	Dude I can’t wait for Gen A to get fucked just as hard as millennials did in 08, and what do ya know, a republican is starting a horrifically unjust war in yet another middle eastern country, wow history truly does repeat itself. Except this time it’s to distract from the “being a literal pedophile” stuff. But I guess they could use the WMD’s excuse again, idk if you asked me a decade ago I’d say there’s absolutely no shot Americans would fall for that again, but hey we’ve proven to be pretty fucking stupid so who knows? What a terrible time to be alive
ShartHarder 02.28.26	was really resisting the urge to post here as i should know better to wade in on politics. but this is def not leading to WW3 lol. it is a shocking turn of events yes, and will lead to a pretty bad time in the middle east (worse than usual) but it will be a contained regional conflict. iran has next to no allies outside its proxy groups, who are all weak right now from other recent conflicts. conflict with iran could either be short (troops lay down their arms now leadership is gone) or drawn out (the whole islamic revolution depends on it) but realistically it is only going to go one way now Trump has fully committed to it. like it or not, the US is super emboldened on moves like this now after the Venezuela operation, and who is going to stop them? Russia will be looking on painfully at a key ally getting whiped off the board, but they can't/won't do shit about it. they are already stretched this with the ukraine war. and they would not want to rub Trump the wrong while they are successfully courting and playing him. china will stay out of it as it has actually very little presence in the middle east and will want to present itself as the stable, sensible world power in contrast to the US. so yes, big news, crazy shit to bare witness to. but no need to go getting your passports updated just yet
unclereich 02.28.26	>I have never in my life heard a single Jewish person say anything remotely similar to the utterly unhinged stuff Israelis say themselves Bill Kristol, Robert Kagan, Richard Perle, and Paul Wolfowitz would like a word!
ShartHarder 02.28.26	^^^ this is not to say i justify this mad shit in any capacity, in case that was not obvious
unclereich 02.28.26	i agree shart never let a good crisis go to waste! it's in the same vein as people claiming trump isn't going to allow elections! alarmist bullshit. but the economy is a fucking nightmare here and that is usually a huge reason why leaders attack foreign nations.
unclereich 02.28.26	any time something like this happens there is always a chance for escalation, but i'd be remiss to say this doesn't remind me of venezuela only weeks ago, or north korea and syria during trump's first term. nightmare situations no doubt but not exactly world war. i just think the huge concern here is this situation mirroring iraq. remember bibi testified before the house and many other u.s. organizations for regime change in iraq. later he did the same while obama was president. history is repeating itself in real time. trump also replacing the fed chair with the second coming of ben bernanke is extremely eerie!
ShartHarder 02.28.26	yup that seems to be the common driver a lot of commentators are pointing to. got to distract from the domestic problems youre not fixing by claiming some international 'wins'
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	@Shart I hope you’re right, I’ll admit that I don’t pay nearly as much attention to worldwide politics as I do to domestic, so starting shit with a Russia allied nation really has me worried… but you’re probably right. I didn’t even really think of the Ukraine angle until you brought it up. @unclereich I don’t at all think that’s alarmist. People have been saying that im exaggerating or “being alarmist” for a decade now. And now we have ICE fucking murdering people, essentially throwing people into concentration camps because of fucking expired visas, Trump completely ignoring congress and the Supreme Court… even if there are elections, this fuckin guy already was responsible for Jan 6, what makes you think he won’t do some crazier shit this time? I don’t think im being alarmist at all considering how “unprecedented” literally everything he does is.
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	Let me also point out, even if he had congressional approval, this is fucking evil. I’m just pointing out that he doesn’t even give enough of a shit to save face by pretending this is “by the book”, and that is another thing that worries me. He’s becoming increasingly unhinged by the day.
unclereich 02.28.26	the claim trump won't allow elections is alarmist. he and his constituents will get absolutely blown out in the midterms, he then will get impeached again and again and go out with a whimper in '28 IF he lives that long. Newsom is 100% the next president.
zakalwe 02.28.26	Iran will annihilate Israel US will mop up and take over the Middle East turning it into a Wal-Mart
TheSupernatural 02.28.26	Not really reassured by the idea of the next president being a Democrat who stands for all the same things Trump does. Newsom is an absolute snake.
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	If Newsom is the next president than just fucking pack it up because whatever Republican that follows up his Biden 2.0 ass policies will be even worse than Trump.
Wildcardbitchesss 02.28.26	Exactly. That guy fucking sucks and is literally just a diet republican
unclereich 02.28.26	You will vote for him and you will like it 😈
botb 02.28.26	Newsome’s wack diet republican ass is absolutely going to get the nom because democrats cannot learn anything from the past to literally save their fucking lives
botb 02.28.26	Meanwhile zohran absolutely killing it in NYC while no establishment dems pay any attention
Josh D. 02.28.26	Democrats absolutely love ignoring any candidate left of them that polls at +50 favorability
unclereich 02.28.26	There just isn’t another dem that has stepped up. Unlike the right who has Massie, but Vance will probably have him killed or something.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.01.26	I will not vote for Gavin Newsom, I shut my fuckin mouth and voted for Harris because I knew Trump would be disastrous, but if Democrats seriously don’t put up someone halfway decent.. no more. I can’t do it again man. I abstain unless whoever they wind up with has these three policies 1. Abolition of ICE 2. Medicare for all 3. Cutting aid to Israel All three are popular stances right now, and tbh that’s literally the bare minimum. I’m not asking for full blown luxury gay space communism, these policies are not extreme. But im sure democrats will find a way to ratfuck any candidate that meets the moment, if they fuck over Bernie (twice!) they can and will do it to whatever progressive runs in ‘28. But Mamdani winning does give me hope. No one even knew who he was a year ago and now he’s one of the most famous men in the country. I think something like that could happen on the national stage, though it’s really unlikely. If Newsom is the dem candidate they will lose and they will deserve it. Plus watching that snake debate Vance over policies that they’re essentially completely aligned with might actually give me a fucking aneurysm
Wildcardbitchesss 03.01.26	Example, Vance would just outright say “We should kill all the homeless/trans/brown people.” while Gavin would find some cutesy roundabout way to say the exact same thing. That guy is literally if ChatGPT puked out a generic movie villain politician.
Trebor. 03.01.26	Us state workers have been fighting with Newsom for years. I find it hard to believe he'll be the general nominee because he might not even win his own state. Although the way the fucky primaries go California is so late in the schedule it might happen too late like what happened with Bernie
Wildcardbitchesss 03.01.26	And despite being a deep blue state I imagine it’s still gerrymandered to hell. I’m with you though. The way some libs and establishment types seem to want to appoint him as the presumptive nominee two full years before a primary has even happened will create resentment for a lot of folks, and despite me knowing how right wing that fuck is, I think interviews with fucking Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk especially will come back to bite him in the ass and really shine a light on how fake the progressive front he puts on is. Like I alluded to with my comments on Mamdani, it’s very possible that someone with little to no national spotlight in early 2026 will come forward. Time will tell. I’ll admit I didn’t know much about him until around this time last year, when every time the mf tweeted at Trump someone affiliated with like, the Lincoln project or some shit, would pop up and be like “OHHH SHOTS FIRED”, and it took me minutes of googling to see how much of a piece of shit that guy is. Everybody has two full years to come to the same realization. Just plaster that photo of him personally tearing down homeless people’s tents on billboards and attack ads and that will chip away at any support he might have. Dont get me wrong, if I had to put money on it, I’d say he’s the most likely dem candidate but a whole lot can happen between now and 2028.
unclereich 03.01.26	cali is heavily gerrymandered to favor dems:https://www.reddit.com/r/California/comments/1qvxn50/supreme_court_allows_new_california_congressional/ that was a big news story last year. they did it in response to texas. is that fat ugly pos still running in cali that verbally abuses her assistants? i wish is could say i can't believe she has supporters but most cali libs are brain dead. that state is so heavily mismanaged and yet every step of the way they vote harder for the people that proudly admit to fucking them over. gotta love their new glock ban. so happy to be out of that hell hole
Wildcardbitchesss 03.01.26	I really have no idea. I’ve spent approximately 2 hours of my entire life in California, on a layover flight coming from Oregon lol What I was really getting at is that it took me like 2 minutes of research to come to the “oh this guy is a fucking piece of shit” conclusion. That kind of “vote blue no matter who” liberal can be pretty gullible, but this guy has done shit in the past that very clearly shows that he’s a fuckin snake oil salesman. He wants to provide ICE with more funding, the homelessness problem, even just revealing that his son is a huge Charlie Kirk fan is enough to put me off him. If I had a kid and he was listening to that horseshit id throw his phone in the ocean and cut off the internet access until I could instill some good values in him, not Gavin tho, he was so moved by it he had Charlie on his dumbass fucking podcast
Pooter9000 03.01.26	Irananians wont be free of tyranny, more like under new management.
arapinho1 03.01.26	Death to zionists and their aggression Fuck trump and fuck america
zakalwe 03.01.26	Pipe down moron
arapinho1 03.01.26	Stfu
anarchistfish 03.01.26	Glad to see the most non-interventioniat president in the history of the US at it again
Calc 03.01.26	arapinho bout to get the thread nuked.
ShadowRemains 03.01.26	number one criteria for the dem nominee should be a hardline stance on this administration and bringing them to justice + putting them in fucking prison full stop
Trundle 03.01.26	It says so much about Israel when you have to go into the specific mode of execution to differentiate them from the nazis. I know it may sound callous to say, but Iran and the recent political developments definitely aren’t something to endorse, but invading them to kill hundreds of thousand /millions is literally no justification for what the pedo cult and pedo president have dedicated themselves to. I think it also says a lot about America when Iran appears to have more common sense and are more quick to try to de-escalate over the past decade
budgie 03.01.26	american progressives being so batshit retarded they will blacklist kelly for aipac donations or newsom for being exhausted with identity politics has got to be the nail in the coffin, just nuke us all and destroy anglo american culture before we poison the rest of the west
zakalwe 03.01.26	‘Iran and the recent political developments definitely aren’t something to endorse‘ Have you any idea how many people have been killed under that theocratic nightmare of a regime over the past 50yrs. Irans intentions and ultimate goals should they have the power to do so would see you wiped off the face of the Earth or completely and utterly sublimated
markjamie 03.01.26	In the unlikely event Iran gets a halfway decent government I will be happy, but invading a country who has not invaded anyone and killing their leader can ONLY bring more harm than good in the long run (as it did in Iraq and Afghanistan). Netanyahu and Trump are war criminals and should be prosecuted under international law.
Beardog 03.01.26	When will the Americans finally use their freedom and vote for something other than the two billionaire funded oligarchic parties that only care about the rich?
rabidfish 03.01.26	There is no voting out of this lol
StonedManatee 03.01.26	Fuck Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Relinquished 03.01.26	if yall still believe yall live in a two party system where “dems have to do this to…” then you’ve been boned already for the past 30 years
Supercoolguy64 03.01.26	im 27 so im just lolz-ing at the news
JWT155 03.01.26	This will be the 13th time I’ve survived WWIII
Beardog 03.01.26	@rabidfish that's what they want you to think
Hyperion1001 03.01.26	Christian and Jewish fundamentalist zealots banding together to kill Muslim fundamentalist zealots. If we’re lucky they all eliminate each other and then we can finally be done all the abrahamic religions in one fell swoop
arapinho1 03.01.26	Iran has the right to defend itself.
rabidfish 03.01.26	@beardog if you really believe anyone that can go against the plan will be allowed even the posibility of being "elected" u are beyond naive. Only thing power recognizes is power. No negotiations. no hostages.
Asdfp277 03.01.26	idk why u'd think religion is the whole reason to the entire conflict land and natural resources are agnostic. and the people pursuing political power don't really believe in anything
arthropod 03.01.26	[2] I mean, Christianity is supposed to be a religion of peace. If you kill people like this or support this practice, then you're not a Christian.
Hyperion1001 03.01.26	organized religion has only ever been used as a tool for power. if you think they aren’t intrinsically linked, especially in violent, expansionist religions like the Abrahamic faiths, youre deluding yourself.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.01.26	Budgie cmon I gave you way more than identity politics as a reason why Newsom is fucking dogshit.
arthropod 03.01.26	Organized religion has only ever been used as a tool for power and this is why I do not support the Church. That doesn't change the fact that at its core, Christianity represents the exact opposite values than its respective institution. Again: if you commit or endorse murder, you don't count as a Christian. Also, I might be going off on a tangent now, but Christian theology needs a lot of revisionism. And I mostly mean disregarding most of the bullshit that can be found in the Old Testament because that's the text for an entirely different religion and should not be considered by Christians (at least in full). A big chunk of it exists only to justify the aggressive territorial expansion and other heinous crap pulled off by the ancient Jews.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.01.26	The idea that our foreign policy is based on some 4000 year old writings is part of what makes this country so fucking despicable. What we’re doing is already horrendous, but a lot of our leadership can’t even admit that the motivation is purely imperialist, no we gotta get the dipshit evangelicals on board so the rapture can happen. And yes they actually believe this shit, I was raised in it
Cormano 03.01.26	"Irans intentions and ultimate goals should they have the power to do so would see you wiped off the face of the Earth or completely and utterly sublimated" you're a moron if this what you actually believe
Wildcardbitchesss 03.01.26	zak is the certified boomer of sput, he’s serious
Calc 03.01.26	you guys should really learn about the Islamic revolution in Iran if you think Zak is completely wrong.
Flugmorph 03.01.26	nothing ever happens
Kusangii 03.01.26	Humanity is always gonna be a shitshow. I'd be shocked if I got to see peace on earth in my lifetime.
Asdfp277 03.01.26	u.s. intervensionism will keep the middle east extremist forever, it's by design
Pooter9000 03.01.26	100 dead Iranian schoolgirls killed by an Isramerican strike was a one-line text report from my state broadcaster, never mentioned aloud, but they’ve been screaming and pissing themselves at then9 dead Israelis all day. Funny how that works.
Pooter9000 03.01.26	***the 9
Wildcardbitchesss 03.01.26	“ u.s. intervensionism will keep the middle east extremist forever, it's by design” ding ding ding We’ve continued to irreversibly fuck the region for decades and are shocked that they hate us… the dumb bitch on MSNBC was talking to one of irans highest ranking military guys and she was like “well what makes attacking us acceptable?” Are you fucking kidding me? The audacity of these people. It’s the same thing with Palestine. 10/7 was inevitable, you can’t subject millions of people to that kind of treatment and then be surprised when they retaliate. Fucking 9/11 is another example. It’s totally fine when we bomb brown from ten miles in the sky but not our precious white people, that’s a fucking tragedy. And for the record, both are wrong. Civilian casualties are never acceptable, and I’m criticizing leaders for being so willing to throw innocents into the fucking meat grinder if it means political gain, or in this case, a fucking elementary school to distract from the global pedophile ring.
DoofDoof 03.01.26	'@beardog if you really believe anyone that can go against the plan will be allowed even the posibility of being "elected" u are beyond naive.' In the UK we have irrefutable proof and also evidence of how they stop you with Liz Truss. It's near impossible to go against 'the blob' (civil service)/deep state. The media also managed to make 99% of the electorate think Truss was 'an idiot' (well, she underestimated her enemy/the task at hand so I guess there's that) and had them calling her 'a lettuce'. Never underestimate MSM. "She failed because she was an idiot". A masterful political assassination. They can do it to anyone.
Trundle 03.01.26	Flawless logic zak “we need to kill them(in much greater numbers) or they will kill each other” But you’re sticking with team pedo
rockarollacola 03.02.26	WWIII false flag number 18,347
Hyperion1001 03.02.26	Ok what about: Dont start world war 3 challenge IMPOSSIBLE [GONE SEXUAL]
Wildcardbitchesss 03.02.26	Someone tweeted Hasan calling it World War E(pstein) and I like that framing
CaliggyJack 03.02.26	The Board of P̶e̶a̶c̶e̶ Israel
rabidfish 03.02.26	@doof tho i don't follow brit politics, im sure there's a lot more negotiation involved in these "media assassinations", as u called it. The liberal lie lies in keeping the manipulated masses unstable and paranoid enough so that they can't organize proper resistance but content enough so that they will (mostly) comply to the agenda. Keeping high-profile real assassinations to a minimum used to be the prefered strategy. I fear with Trump/Netanyahu this will become outdated and "too PC".
DoofDoof 03.02.26	rabid - in the UK Liz Truss and Dominic Cummings have both lifted the lid and said you can switch political leaders but the civil service and other deep state actors, inc the Bank of England effectively, run the show. It doesn't matter who is the front man, even 'left and right' is largely a meaningless distinction (biggest difference between the two is probably speed of roll out rather than ultimate outcome of policy). If you try and shrink their influence, reduce the state or change economic policy for example, then they'll just destroy you. They'll fully smear your intellect and 'character'. it's over for you. There is a plan, a script, it's fed down through loads of think tanks some linked to the UN, or the WEF, the EU, possibly the Fabians - the important thing is the decisions have already been made before it reaches 'government'. This is why in the UK you now have half the vote going outside the old establishment parties of Labour, Tory, and Lib Dems (basically three flavours of relative centrism and controlled by the forces mentioned above). You now have genuine left wing and right wing parties scooping up votes. Right now you have about seven parties all on 10-15% of the vote, I think this has happened over a lot of the rest of Europe already. Whether this pattern will eventually hit the States I don't know....but I never imagined I'd see this in the usually traditional leaning UK. It's close to a political revolution but obviously the mechanisms of control are trying to stop it all, and the MSM are obviously downplaying it.
zakalwe 03.02.26	100 percent Doof.
zakalwe 03.02.26	Won’t happen in the US though as the government is run more like a cartel.
bighubbabuddha 03.02.26	The UK is fragmenting politically and I love to see it. The old establishment needs breaking.
Hyperion1001 03.02.26	we should start a war and bomb only budgies house
bighubbabuddha 03.02.26	No I agree with budgie
AlkemestRedux 03.02.26	I'm just so sick of all these stupid fucking wars. If the last 25 years have taught us anything it's that both parties are different branches of the War Party. Biden taught the world that we'll let our allies turn any country into a glassed-over wasteland and we won't even pretend to blink. It's not really surprising that Trump is taking that scorched earth philosophy and applying it to Iran - the biggest humiliation thorn in the neocon's side over the past five decades. It's telling that one of the first targets that got hit was a girl's school. Just pure murder and an exercise of brute power.
rufinthefury 03.02.26	Hey at least we're attacking the right country this time instead of a side show nothing burger like Venezuela. Iran IS legitimately run by a horrible theocratic regime that deserves to be dismantled and they've had mass protests every few years going back to the 80s. Hundreds of thousands of their citizens have died trying to get rid of their gov and they have legitimately been asking for intervention for decades, so I'm more than happy to help them in that regard. Not to mention Iran actually funds the terrorists groups that have actually killed US soldiers and citizens unlike little pissant Venezuela. That all being said, theres this thing called a track record and ours is fucking atrocious when it comes the middle east, pun intended. I'm not delusional enough to think this is going to be a love fest, theres a high chance Iran splinters into warlordism and chaos without US Boots on the ground and we all know how well having boots on the ground goes.
bighubbabuddha 03.02.26	Finally someone not afraid to tell a version of the truth. Iran needs bombing, and a "crap tonne" of it. Terrible country.
AlkemestRedux 03.02.26	Theocracies everywhere can suck it, agreed. But the U.S. is incapable of making anything better through military strikes. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Libya and soon to be Venezuela and Iran all prove that.
rufinthefury 03.02.26	I noticed you left out Afghanistan where we did such an amazing wonderful job
Josh D. 03.02.26	"attacking the right country" fucking moron
JayEnder 03.02.26	the world has sucked ass since covid [2] I would say even longer than that. Maybe the Mayans were right and the world did end in 2012, we just didn't know it.
bighubbabuddha 03.02.26	I blame communism and in some cases islamic theocracies as the root causes of ill function
AlkemestRedux 03.02.26	I know the doctrine now is just fracture and destroy countries we oppose, and then occasionally bomb the remnants. It's exactly what Israel has done to Palestinians for decades. But that's really not going to work out for anyone long-term. The only people it works for are the capitalists who can move in to set up shop in the newly destabilized countries, and even then in a few decades they'll probably get tossed out by a new revolution. In the meantime they make a shitload of money and millions of people die or are immiserated. It feels pretty hollow even typing this as an American, because it's my tax dollars going to fund this, but I don't really know what else to do. Trump didn't even try and justify this war. At least Bush knew he had to sell Iraq. It really feels like post-fascism has fully arrived. The wheels and mechanisms of fascism keep turning but are completely unchained from any public accountability, either from civil society or opposing parties, or even really the judiciary.
AlkemestRedux 03.02.26	Afghanistan should have definitely been on that list mb
rufinthefury 03.02.26	Also Putin loses yet another ally in the blink of an eye. Russia looks so weak comparatively man
budgie 03.02.26	throw all conservatives into a volcano on top of the muslims
bighubbabuddha 03.02.26	The Taliban is the problem with Afghanistan not USA
bighubbabuddha 03.02.26	Budgie whyyyyyyyy, you were doing so well
AlkemestRedux 03.02.26	The Taliban sucks, but what did two decades of occupation get the U.S.? Our puppet government literally lasted two weeks after we pulled out lol Military adventurism is always a dogshit policy. Wars are all a rich man's game, and a poor man's fight.
rufinthefury 03.02.26	btw I'm still confused about that Venezuela shit. Cuz we went in and kidnapped Maduro and left one of his supporters in charge, thats like if Canada invaded the US and took Trump but left JD Vance and the Republican Party in control still. The fuck kinda regime change is that?
Beardog 03.02.26	@doof and @rabidfish I can agree with what you two are saying, mostly with the media and 'big state' or whatever you want to call it, is controlling a lot of things and people behind the scenes, or right in front of our eyes. However, we are with way more than the government and its puppets. If the US really decided to vote for a 'third party', things will for sure change, good or bad.
AlkemestRedux 03.02.26	I think it was mainly to try and force Venezuela to stop sending oil to Cuba. That's been America's #1 target in Latin America since Cuba dared to throw off the mafia cartel that the U.S. was propping up.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.02.26	Damn this thread got real retarded real quick. Yes, US intervention and regime changes worldwide has such an amazing track record. Anybody that thinks this is a good thing needs to open a history book.
rufinthefury 03.02.26	hey we did pretty good enacting regime change in Germany and Japan back in the day
jrlikestodance 03.02.26	People really out here thinking countries have their best interests in mind in 2026
Demon of the Fall 03.02.26	Kingdoms are ruled by kings. Empires are ruled by emperors. So what or who are countries are ruled by? … yes, it’s cunts
twlight 03.02.26	The majority of the Iranian people were practically begging for an intervention. Not saying it’s the right thing to do and almost surely the US led by a dipshit trump will fuck it all up Im still convinced Israel has some serious blackmail on trump from the Epstein days which has made the US even more their bitch than usual. Use the civil unrest and protests in Iran as “Nobel reason” to dismantle the Iranian government that Israel has wanted gone for a long time now
Hyperion1001 03.02.26	“I blame communism and in some cases islamic theocracies as the root causes of ill function” I hope you’re trolling cause this is by far the dumbest thing said in a thread that also includes budgie which is saying quite a lot.
zakalwe 03.02.26	Both massively inhibit freedom of choice, both impose rule to a degree half you slags haven’t got the first clue about. That is fact.
JWT155 03.02.26	Day 3 and still surviving WWIII
budgie 03.02.26	not a good feelin when the guy who thinks peace sells is the worst metal album of all timeees calls u a dum dums
rufinthefury 03.02.26	budgie said to throw conservatives into a volcano so hes not all bad
budgie 03.02.26	actually i am the baddest
bighubbabuddha 03.02.26	Not trolling. Communism makes people poor and paranoid, islamic theocracies take away freedoms particularly of women. Both are harmful in different ways.
jrlikestodance 03.02.26	Republicans are Christians and want to do that too
bighubbabuddha 03.02.26	We are so lucky to live in Western democracies with relatively high living standards..
budgie 03.02.26	speak for urself i live in a third world country
bighubbabuddha 03.02.26	France isn't 3rd world budge
budgie 03.02.26	i lives ipn CALIEFORNAIA
RVAHC13 03.02.26	Come visit me in the Midwest budgie we got hot Italian beefs and deep dish pizza
AlkemestRedux 03.02.26	>lucky to live in western democracies Bro doesn't live in the U.S. and has never had to deal with our shit-tier healthcare insurance system apparently.
jrlikestodance 03.02.26	Facts. I would be fucked healthcare wise if I wasn’t in a blue state
bighubbabuddha 03.02.26	I live in the UK. We have the NHS and it is one of many reasons why Brits are superior to Americans
jrlikestodance 03.02.26	Being better than Americans isn’t that hard tbf
Relinquished 03.02.26	jr bro we’re not in a blue state lol
jrlikestodance 03.02.26	I live in Denver now my brother
Hyperion1001 03.02.26	zak and big both saw a Muslim family minding their own business when they were at tesco getting more unseasoned beans for dinner, got scared, and decided they’ll be voting reform for the rest of their life.
rufinthefury 03.02.26	bighubba fears doner kebab
rabidfish 03.02.26	you'll get infinity refugees soon enough, hope you're hungry for more ethnic food.
Relinquished 03.02.26	better choice jr
brickhed 03.03.26	"I mean, Christianity is supposed to be a religion of peace. If you kill people like this or support this practice, then you're not a Christian." boy the medieval times would like a like conversation with you. christianization of the world came at no small cost. but honestly go to church when they talk about hell. they arn't about peace, they care about conversion the most. of course i'm saying this as someone who dislikes the religion, but still.
brickhed 03.03.26	"Kingdoms are ruled by kings. Empires are ruled by emperors. So what or who are countries are ruled by? … yes, it’s cunts" most underrated comment in this thread
Sharenge 03.03.26	"cunts" lol
budgie 03.03.26	keep defending those poor muzzies hype maybe theyll give u a bunch of underage virgins in ur afterlife too just like daddy allah
jrlikestodance 03.03.26	budgie why are you Islamophobic? That black metal's rotting your last few brain cells. As if any other religion is better
budgie 03.03.26	because i fucking hate conservatism. christian conservatism is shit too drown em all idc
ShadowRemains 03.03.26	all of this shit with israel is just more proof that citizen's united was perhaps the most damaging single ruling in the last 50 years of the SCOTUS
Scoot 03.03.26	life is exhausting
Wildcardbitchesss 03.03.26	Aight budge I get what you’re saying but fam that does not read well lol yes fuck fundamentalism of all stripes
Hyperion1001 03.03.26	"keep defending those poor muzzies hype maybe theyll give u a bunch of underage virgins in ur afterlife too just like daddy allah" buddy you can hate religion while still believing its right and good to treat all people with basic decency and respect.
budgie 03.03.26	hyperion goes -> in2 the volcanus 🌋byebye smell u later
Kusangii 03.03.26	life is exhausting [2]
unclereich 03.03.26	Anyone who is bald or balding into the volcano
bach 03.03.26	love when users out themselves as retarded in these threads
bach 03.03.26	Glad users are stoked that the US and isreal did what they did best and killed 50 more innocent children in the middle east! very metal and kvlt!!
unclereich 03.03.26	Under 6’ into volcano
bach 03.03.26	Cricket Wireless users into volcano
unclereich 03.03.26	Have any ska album above a 2 -> 🌋
bach 03.03.26	Users w/ radiohead 5s have to join the IDF to please thom yorke and johnny greenwood
bach 03.03.26	thommy boy is watching you with his good eye! 👁
RVAHC13 03.03.26	“Have any ska album above a 2 -> 🌋” cool uncle why ;_;
budgie 03.03.26	unironically enjoy sriracha -> volcano
zakalwe 03.03.26	Feel unnerved going to Tesco do I? In terms of geographic area England is the size of Alabama Alabama has a population of 6 million England has a population of near 60 million. London is gone. The nations second ‘capital’ Birmingham is gone. Leicester is gone. Towns and cities are ‘converting’ year upon year. The country I grew up in and loved is genuinely a foreign place to me now and the division is unlike anything I have ever known and it has all happened rapidly in the last 35yrs. This is a pattern that has occurred throughout Europe. This isn’t just as a result of islamification it’s the also the ignorance, the genuine racists filling a vacuum and the corruption of councils and local government that have turned things incredibly sour. I have said this time and time again the ideological hope of everyone coming together and integrating as one unified multi cultural nation that pulls and works in the same direction is a complete myth and is a being used as a tool to impose another ‘dominant’ culture. You will realise this at some point but refuse to accept it.
budgie 03.03.26	of all the ethnicities to be extinguished brit would prob upset me the least
zakalwe 03.03.26	You been to Tesco? Every little helps.
budgie 03.03.26	i dnt thnk so when i was in the uk i shopped at a lidl always had that nice hobgoblin beer yummy very yummy
zakalwe 03.03.26	That’s been banned now, too culturally insensitive because of high alcohol content.
budgie 03.03.26	the witch character on the beers label prob not halal either dont wanna get hebdo'd now do we
Sharenge 03.03.26	I want a hobgoblin beer wtf
zakalwe 03.03.26	The witch character lol. I think you’ll find it’s a hobgoblin mate. On the bright side it stays because it looks snidely, sinister depicts evil presence and has whacking great big conk.
anarchistfish 03.03.26	Might have to set up shop in Vietnam at this point til ww3 ends and I can repopulate the continent Don't even wanna look at what flights back are looking like right now
budgie 03.03.26	naw man theres totally a witch on a broomstick on the brewerys label im like 80% sure
zakalwe 03.03.26	Yeah I think you might be right actually.
Demon of the Fall 03.03.26	zak, don't you still live in London? You might want to try somewhere else then. Plenty of places to choose from. By the time 'they' take over the entire nation (lol) you'll be long dead. not sure what you're blabbering on about otherwise, what exactly has 'gone' here? Sounds like nostalgia and idealism.
unclereich 03.03.26	yea if you don't like it move spoken like a true red blooded american!
Demon of the Fall 03.03.26	if I was of zak's mindset, then I'd certainly be moving
zakalwe 03.03.26	I did move, it doesn’t change anything which is my point. By ‘gone’ I mean a culture that has been replaced. The re-education is already being rolled out with suggestions of ‘its always been like that’ people even up-to the age of 30 believe it because they’ve been born into the rapid cultural shift and ideological brainwash. The insistence as well of we’ve always been a nation of ‘migrants’ completely deaf to the fact we were conquered and the peoples of Britain had been here for hundreds of thousands of years. America it ain’t. The truth is when it comes to London. 70s - Mass majority English. A lot of Irish. Pockets of Asians and West Indians that had migrated in the 50s to rebuild had settled and were residing in individual districts of boroughs and had steadily grown. 80s - Large increases in immigration and entire areas were forming that were distinclty separated from ‘the cultural norm’ this had a wider impact on schools where children fell behind as a result of accommodating those who could not speak English in large numbers. 90s - Expansion and areas predominantly inhabited by ‘minorities’ becoming the majority. Ideological implementation of the ‘multi cultural’ society. 2000s - Mass and rapid increases that inherently spread and entire borough demographics changing within months. This is where it really took off and single completely incompatible cultures began to assert control. 2010s - Continued rapid expansion and open door immigration sees large changes to outer boroughs. 2020s - fish out of water time. This is the same for great swathes of the country and by the 2060s it will truly be gone and yep I will be dead. You may not believe it but I genuinely assert some things have changed for the better, immigration to a degree is a good thing. I would genuinely like to fuck some of the White people off out of it rather than some minorities but as a country we are wilfully blind to the fact we have given it away and bad times are ahead and it will be as a result of Islam
keaton_86 03.03.26	"Not trolling. Communism makes people poor and paranoid, islamic theocracies take away freedoms particularly of women. Both are harmful in different ways." Dunno, i lived in Kuwait for a while and have been to Riyadh a few times and the women in Kuwait were fucking bosses. And super hot. In Riyadh they weren't exactly oppressed either.
mystagogus 03.03.26	Scoot & Kusangii I've got a rec for you https://cryochamber.bandcamp.com/album/life-is-exhausting
DoofDoof 03.03.26	zak - the unknown quantity is the roll out of AGI, no idea how that pans out with immigration levels and Islam. If AGI/artificial super intelligence isn't destroyed or built in the image of what these fundamentalists want then I imagine that ideology will be chewed up and spat out? I'm just seeing a very authoritarian socialist or technofeudal future for the UK driven by AI tech/surveillance, as well as most of Europe and beyond. It's getting a little bleak out there.
Beardog 03.03.26	I'm just seeing hypercapitalism I don't know what you are smoking in britain lol
Galbador 03.03.26	Authoritarian capitalist for sure. Cold war propaganda causes some people to call everything negative socialism or communism. UK is easily one of the most fanatically capitalist countries and second biggest reason(after US ofc) why anybody isn't allowed to form any kind of democartic and more fair economic systems. Remember socialism(social democracy really, there is no socialism) is where state at least provides you something. Where uk is heading is the one where you get nothing. That's just unshackled capitalism. That's where it's always heading and why state intervention is necessary. Capitalism doesn't need denocracy. Most people are brain broken by propaganda advocating for natural (which they obviusly aren't) and fair markets, which have never existed. Markets can be controlled "democraticly" by states or un democraticly by oligarch and corporations. Capitalism is deeply anti market ideology aiming for oligarchy and monopoly.
AlkemestRedux 03.03.26	People always love blaming immigrants or their brown neighbors and not the dogshit cunts like Thatcher and Reagan (rest in piss x2) who destroyed or started the process of destroying all the things that helped working people like the NHS and unions.
DoofDoof 03.03.26	Galbador - the UK is definitely moving away from a strict capitalist model, moving slowly more towards a China type 'state capitalism' model I would suggest (if you add in state owned SOE's then state spending is 55%+ of GDP spending in China). Nearly 50% of UK GDP is now spent by the state (so close to China really) and it's increasing (US is just 35%). If you like the idea of more socialism in a 'Western democracy' then you are going to go through this stage we're having in the UK. Is it working? How does it feel on the ground? I think most people would respond negatively but some people like it - I imagine that the people who like the current direction of travel would also say they 'respected' or 'felt protected' during the lockdowns, it's a not insignificant percentage of the populace. Maybe 20%+ of the population want 'more socialism' as they're polling as willing to vote for the Greens or similar. Personal freedoms do appear to be slowly being restricted in the UK, but as said before there's a kick back. The Fabians (100% socialist) are incredibly powerful in the UK - most of the current cabinet, ex PMs Blair, Brown and the London Mayor Khan are all Fabians. Their stated approach is to slowly turn governance socialist through nearly imperceptible increments, so there are definitely long term socialist plans in the UK and 100% they are now perceptible whichever way you fall politically. Some commentators would argue 'the Blob' itself is socialist, though it might just be left leaning or centrist.
anarchistfish 03.04.26	My bigger concern with London is it's become a shed for all the global richest to park their money as well as the mega finance hub it is. It's all well and good having access to the biggest networks and economic opportunities but if you're not a rabid careerist it's an expensive, ultra-competitive and punishing city to live in. I think most Londoners my age would agree. Many people I know have had to move out to the surrounding counties or further. Most of the Londoners I meet in SE Asia are fed up with it. Many don't wanna go back.
anarchistfish 03.04.26	I don't see what technofeudalism has to do with socialism. It's pretty obviously capital accumulation and monopolisation to me. Once these platforms have such a size their owners then have near-sole power to manipulate and govern the discourse or extract money through rent. Hence "feudalism". Then on the other hand you have a state that wants access to this power, which co-operates and jousts with the private side, and who regards itself as non-ideological, informed by science and capitalist economics, unitary in its decision making and apathetic to actual politics or dissent. That is technocracy, and a neoliberal one.
anarchistfish 03.04.26	Governments and corporations putting too much stock into AI and using it to manipulate and control us is a worry, but for me the more immediate one is yet another capture of means of technology and production that sees them get EVEN richer whilst shovelling many into unemployment and comparative destitution, including many of the young and middle class who have been blindsided since at least the 2008 crash. All these problems are happening at the same time and I can only see them as effects of neoliberal ideology, unchecked capitalism and corporate capture of government.
anarchistfish 03.04.26	Also, the state expenditures of the UK and China do not function similarly at all. Most of the UK's spending goes on social security and nearly all its major industry is privately owned (and sometimes publically-propped up). The Chinese government controls much of its industry and infrastructure through various state-owned corporations and with central planning is using them to industrialise aggressively.
DoofDoof 03.04.26	Maybe ‘socialism for thee, capitalism for me’ - seems to be an elite class who’ll roll out some smothering socialist UBI cage for the plebs. Unemployment and state handout culture are both exploding in the UK. Only see the two trends going up as AI is rolled out. Maybe too pessimistic.
DoofDoof 03.04.26	I mean all the WEF policies are socialist...but they're also the most shameless group of capitalists on the planet. That I imagine is the desired dynamic.
bighubbabuddha 03.04.26	It depends how intelligent AI gets. If it can automate our jobs we will have to accept benefits. I think there will be a fuzzy middle period where AI can do many tasks in a job but not the cohesive job as a whole, at which point our jobs will be temporarily safe, if augmented.
Galbador 03.04.26	State capitalism is just capitalism. UK and US, the messengers of capitalism have always been planned economies for oligarchs. Yes you can call it socialism for the rich - as many leftist do. Most of the hand outs are directed to the rich people(tax cuts, goverment contracts etc). Unemployed people are just a failings of unjust economy. The system needs and creates "losers."Hand outs" are given to keep people from lashing out against the system. Benefits are designed to guard people against inherently unjust and unstable economic system. People in need of these benefits are one groups demonized by right wing liberals and -populists as well as immigrants. They are coming for these benefits as well as the immigrants. Then seriusly saying UK is going towards socialism is laughable. UK is going towards capitalist oligarchy and technofeudalism like the rest of western world. Blaming socialism is just parroting propaganda aimed at our fathers. This development is precisely capitalist. This is where capitalist elite owning political machine and international organizations leads to.
zakalwe 03.04.26	Luddite me up
ArsMoriendi 03.04.26	Bombing the Middle East to distract from the fact you’re in the Epstein files
ArsMoriendi 03.04.26	Bombing a Iranian school because too many people wanted you to testify about your close connections with the most famous pedophile of the last 100 years
Galbador 03.04.26	Bombing all of the civil infrasfructure for regime chance. Bombing border guards for regime change. Bombing captive opposite politicians for regime change! Nope we are not just trying to make a failed state like Syria for Israels being able to control the region. While literally doing the same thing they are doing to every other country. Keeping them for forming any kind of functioning government by bombing and supporting literaly every terrorist group ever. How could you even get this evil. They should be human like us.
zakalwe 03.04.26	Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely
Galbador 03.04.26	American politicians can't even decide a lie for what they are doing or aiming there. Well Rubio pretty much told everybody that they are there solely because Israel told them to. They can only agree they should wage war for Israel, rest comes later. The difference with Iraq is that in that time they could at least agree about the lie about weapons of mass destruction.
anarchistfish 03.04.26	You are conflating far too many concepts into the definition of socialism Doof "I mean all the WEF policies are socialist" Please
DoofDoof 03.04.26	'State capitalism is just capitalism.' So the CCP are wrongly named? China is 'state capitalist' but also 'politically communist'.
DoofDoof 03.04.26	Galbador - I think what you're saying would have made sense a decade or two ago but nearly every marker that trends towards socialism has accelerated massively recently in the UK. Taxation and state spending, welfare, demonisation of the (outside the club?) wealthy, attempts to bring most wages to a similar banding, more Union power. The only one somewhat missing is a massive trend back towards public ownership (GB Energy is maybe a start?). The PM and nearly the entire cabinet are Fabians as is the mayor of London. What is the point of that if they aren't going to have a socialist agenda? I just can't believe that the level of corruption and sleaze is so much higher under this administration than before, as it was already huge.
budgie 03.04.26	every discussion on the internet involving the terms capitalism and socialism make you wanna pull your hair so hard you scalp yourself
DoofDoof 03.04.26	Don't get me wrong I actually think a more socialist future is coming one way or another, and it might be an improvement in some regards, but if you have massive unemployment and/or mostly state run 'non jobs' to keep people busy while receiving effectively a UBI paid as a CBDC...those people are owned to a greater degree than now and also it puts even more pressure on the 'rulers' to not be corrupt or otherwise terrible. Hopefully there isn't a massive erosion of personal freedoms but all warning lights are flashing I think.
JWT155 03.04.26	Day 5, still alive
anarchistfish 03.04.26	Socialism is socialised ownership of production. Not taxation, not social spending, not unions. That is social democracy, which functions within capitalism. UK is not socialist and none of the Fabians worked to bring it about. Whether China is socialist is much more debatable. Much industry is publically owned but they are highly centralised and authoritarian. They still have strong private enterprise, labour exploitation and capital accumulation. They still co operate with the market system.
DoofDoof 03.04.26	I didn't say it is socialist, I said the trending is towards socialism, possibly through necessity. What the Greens are proposing is closer to full socialism, and of course half the Labour party would like to eject Starmer and Reeves and try to move towards that territory. Say the AI revolution is overstated and it only results in a 25-50%, rather than 90%+, reduction in available work. Even that will necessitate the capitalist model 'as we know it' being broken apart and something replacing it. A 90%+ reduction in work available then there would have to be a totally new form of economy and governance. I think both the EU and the UK are quite interested in the way China operates, maybe I'm wrong on that, but there are definitely some hints of that I think.
Hyperion1001 03.04.26	to the guy who was arguing this has nothing to do with religion https://www.military.com/daily-news/2026/03/03/military-officers-accused-of-framing-iran-war-biblical-mandate.html
Galbador 03.04.26	Doof: Yes that's the fundamental misunderstanding of what socialism means. The wages have been trending down for decades. The wealth inequality is all time high. Tiny minority owns most of everything, including housing. The living standards of masses are declining. Unemployment is high. You are heading to authoritarian capitalist dystopia faster than most. Pretty funny to use term technofeudalism, coined by Yannis Varoufakis to describe exact opposite of its meaning. It means few oligachs owning techno infrasfructure gaining immense power and wealth by taxing everybody. This is the next evolution of capitalism. Private ownership of the means of production. Words have meaning. I imagine you have some extended meaning for the word "capitalist," which can't grasp. These are just simplified economic terms for me. I suggest you use state capitalism as a umbrella term describing change in your political-economical power relations. There is no social ownership of anything to be seen in the future. Just the wealthiest getting wealthier. The power is being concentrated for the elites working outside of the democracy. This is still capitalism, but just simply calling it that is pretty much undescriptive, but at least not as misleading as calling some very limited social policies socialism.
Galbador 03.04.26	Hyperion: They are also celebrating murdering other peoples religious leader. This all is turning me so much more against religions. I though this madness was fading away, but you really can't trust in people who devoit themselves for death cults. Back to stone age we go. Lucily Immo, Marduk and Mayhem cleansed me of abrahams curse just last week. It's easier to take in all these horrors commited in a name of magical beings.
DoofDoof 03.04.26	Galbador - I said either socialism or technofeudlaism as directions for the future, as in they are near opposites. Wealth inequality between the top 1%, or 0.1%, and the rest is at an all time high...but it feels like 70% of the people in the UK now have the exact same take home earnings. I don't know what that policy is if it isn't socialist leaning because it has become pretty explicit now, there's a ceiling. Your take home is about £25k to £35k a year whatever you do. I guess just capitalism eating the middle class as these old countries in Europe get poor?
Galbador 03.04.26	My mistake. That just sounds like the usual justification. "It's either this or comnunism." Instead of something better...? We can't do this but little bit more fair? Okay. With those options it's absolutely technogeudalism. You understand the techno oligarchy should be broken up to get anything else, and how in the earth is that happening in this world? No state exept China is even working on techno infrastructure platforms. So no socialim to be seen, sadly. Different forms of militarized state capitalism directed by technofeudalism.
brickhed 03.04.26	it took 4 days for shit to be slung. i'm proud of you guys, threads like this go off the rails within the first few hours.
anarchistfish 03.04.26	"I guess just capitalism eating the middle class" Yes Marx didn't even argue that everyone should earn the same I don't think it's policy either, so much as the tension between unchecked capital accumulation and min wage rises necessary to account for inflation and the overall income disparity
Hyperion1001 03.04.26	whenever someone equates socialism to “the government collecting taxes and funding entitlement programs” I know instantly they have no idea what socialism is.
JWT155 03.04.26	As someone employed working with government agencies, the idea anyone would want more government overreach is terrifying.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.04.26	Ideally they would be more competent with people in charge that aren’t the most selfish assholes you’ve ever met Yes universal healthcare does sound good to me, I’m tired of not having a fucking doctor man
Gameofmetal 03.04.26	"As someone employed working with government agencies, the idea anyone would want more government overreach is terrifying." well yeah not only are you working under the worst possible administrators but state power has largely been expanded by neocons over the years, who are the next worst possible administrators. that seems obvious. i dont think that means we should neuter potential stewards who would enact like universal healthcare or something.
Hyperion1001 03.04.26	yeah, the ruling class has a vested interest in making governmental agencies run as inefficiently as possibly so they can sell the idea of privatization to voters. but, as a counterpoint, I work in environmental conservation and literally nothing would be accomplished without governmental agencies.
JWT155 03.04.26	lol far and away the biggest driver in the decrease of fossil fuels is the emergence of electric vehicles, and that is being driven by Tesla and the private sector, not the government
unclereich 03.04.26	but the u.s. government did subsidize buying evs which was a huge factor in making tesla hugely successful
Hyperion1001 03.05.26	"that is being driven by Tesla and the private sector, not the government" you do realize the only reason tesla is as profitable as they are is because the us government subsidized EV's and allowed them to sell carbon credits to other car manufacturers? and now that theyve taken those away, they have basically ceded EV production and innovation to china, who are taking over the global EV market.
rufinthefury 03.05.26	so blue sweep in the midterms at least
Hyperion1001 03.05.26	youre assuming red states are going to hold elections
Asdfp277 03.06.26	a little late to the discussion, but: i never said religion had nothing to do with the conflict, just that it's not the main driver, but rather money but yeah it's important to recognize that a big portion of the consent to the war by the population is obtained through religion. the decision-makers tho, they don't really believe in anything a good portion of the 'jewish' settlers in israel aren't even jewish, they just saw material benefits and took them
Relinquished 03.06.26	they wanna control human consciousness it goes beyond money
Wildcardbitchesss 03.06.26	I mean hasn’t it literally been proven that the pol board on fucking 4chan was astroturfed by these fucks. They’ve been planting the seeds of this culture war bullshit for fucking decades, that’s just one example. There needs to be some kind of reckoning man, these are the most evil fucking people on the planet. Just playing with peoples lives like we’re fucking toys
Intothepit 03.06.26	If you think they plan on having elections in November, well... I have beachfront property in Oklahoma to sell you. This was the plan all along. From Venezuela to Iran, this was planned a long, long time ago.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.06.26	Man, this shit is not going to end well. I hate this country but I never thought I’d live to see it completely fall. It looks like the beginning of the end. Not to mention the average age of empires is literally 250 years if I’m not mistaken… seems fitting that it all would come completely undone in the big ‘26 by our big beautiful clown ass gameshow president
Beardog 03.06.26	It sadly is what you've created. Greed won
Intothepit 03.06.26	Hell, I didnt vote for the fanta. I hate orange soda.
Beardog 03.06.26	As if the way the US is behaving is only due to Trump... A majority in the US wants things like these to happen, or is too stupid to imagine what the consequences of their actions are. Sadly these things are happening in Europe as well.
thatdeftkid 03.06.26	we ride at dawn
budgie 03.07.26	NEW YORKS ALRIGHT IF YOU WANNa GET CRUSHED INFRONTOFDA SUBWAAAY
Wildcardbitchesss 03.08.26	are you doing a Jamaican thing?
combustion07 03.08.26	“they wanna control human consciousness it goes beyond money“ I avoid anything related to politics like the plague but popping in to put a big fat fucking [2] on this. We’ve been getting brainwashed and divided progressively more and more for a long ass time now and sadly people are too busy picking sides and these past years with the algorithms feeding people a constant echo chamber it’s only getting worse at a rapid pace. Negativity consumes. I like to just pay attention to what’s in front of my face day to day but with how alarming things seem to be getting that might get harder to do as time passes
Storm In A Teacup 03.08.26	“The youth of this country deserve better than to be collateral for such aimless stupidity“ The youth seem just as stupid. It’s just another generation of assholes lol
Wildcardbitchesss 03.08.26	It’s hardly even their fault tho. The pandemic broke adult brains, now imagine being a hormonal ass teen when all of that went down. Social growth got completely stunted… just completely fucked all around. I really feel for younger zoomers and gen A kids. I mean, I was 23 when Covid really popped off and I still feel like all of the lockdowns and shit literally changed me. I’m not nearly as outgoing as I used to be, just shit like that. Now imagine what that’s like for a generation of dumbass kids whose brains weren’t even close to being fully developed. They spent a whole fkn year locked in their room with a laptop not learning shit. It’s no wonder they’re so goddamn stupid and just plain weird.
AlkemestRedux 03.09.26	Trump unilaterally declaring victory and pulling out to leave Israel and the Gulf monarchies to get pummeled for the next three months would be a true power move lol
Hyperion1001 03.09.26	israel has too much compromat on trump to let him do that.
Asdfp277 03.09.26	idk about other people, but i'd much rather deal with the prison ptsd for draft evasion, than deal with the murder ptsd from war apparently, so would trump, and his lil accidents! if u know people of draft age, ask them what they prefer!
Asdfp277 03.09.26	lifetime of ptsd living on the streets addicted to drugs missing limbs
Wildcardbitchesss 03.09.26	I’m draft age, but I am bipolar and have generalized anxiety that develops into full blown panic attacks. Hopefully that would be enough to get me out of it, but if it’s not, I will be fleeing to Mexico, and if they catch me, I guess I’ll just fucking go to jail. I am not dying so the fucking apartheid state can continue their conquest of the Middle East. Fuck Israel.
combustion07 03.10.26	Idk if it’s like it is here everywhere or not but the jails are so damn backed up and overcrowded that they wait years to even throw you in on a charge you already caught unless it’s like some crazy violent shit. It’s been that way here and most neighboring areas since 2020. If a draft happened with how many dodgers there’d be they’d likely have to build more jails to even plausibly punish for it
JWT155 03.10.26	There isn’t going to be a draft.
Storm In A Teacup 03.12.26	Yeah def not. We likely all just get blowed up
Storm In A Teacup 03.12.26	“It’s hardly even their fault tho. The pandemic broke adult brains, now imagine being a hormonal ass teen when all of that went down. Social growth got completely stunted… just completely fucked all around.“ Idk this feels like an exaggeration.
Storm In A Teacup 03.12.26	“As if the way the US is behaving is only due to Trump... A majority in the US wants things like these to happen, or is too stupid to imagine what the consequences of their actions are. Sadly these things are happening in Europe as well.“ This feels accurate.