Kusangii: Metal died in 1993

ArsMoriendi 05.28.22	I don't even like metal and even I know this is a dumb opinion
ToSmokMuzyki 05.28.22	agreed
Avagantamos 05.28.22	isn't this a repost?
ToSmokMuzyki 05.28.22	no this is 100% new controversy discuss
ffs 05.28.22	i think death metal came out earlier than that not sure
Koris 05.28.22	based
Kusangii 05.28.22	Shh don't tell anyone
botb 05.28.22	Big boomerposting
Kusangii 05.28.22	Hoping to resurrect KILL with this title
BAT 05.28.22	ehh honestly metal/hardcore was pretty poppin back in the mid to late 2000s, stilll listen to a lot of the bands i saw back in highschool
Mort. 05.28.22	i wish the metalheads could form a consensus so that when i ask for metal recs i dont get seven different lists of recs that all blend into severe cerebral exsanguination - cosmic gurgling of salubrious salutations
Kusangii 05.28.22	rofl
Pon 05.28.22	jam grotesque
romulanrancor 05.28.22	Nah
pizzamachine 05.28.22	So older metal was NEVER gimmick ridden noise for drunken idiots? 😐
GhandhiLion 05.28.22	lol
tastepolice 05.28.22	this but unironically
YoYoMancuso 05.28.22	looking forward to your dissertation on the subject
rockarollacola 05.28.22	I jerk off classic metal more than anyone I know, but this opinion is just retarded.
Archelirion 05.28.22	God damn the death was sexy in 1993 though I know this is a tongue-in-cheek list (...right...?) but this list could make me believe you for a mo
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.28.22	Wish it died sooner holy fuck
alkostach 05.28.22	posseys gonna disagree, because they're posseys. this is a legitimate list. elitists are elite for a reason.
TrantaLocked 05.28.22	BTBAM saved death metal
Demon of the Fall 05.28.22	^ would’ve made a better shitpost 😂
zakalwe 05.28.22	In terms of it offering up anything new rather than regurgitation of the same old same old and sterile, corporate ‘nu metal’ nonsense yeah it did die around the early 90s
JKing92 05.28.22	As someone who loves '90s alt-metal (System of a Down, Tool, Deftones) and generally dismisses the NWOBHM, I can't even begin to explain just how much I disagree with this sentiment.
Kusangii 05.28.22	Anyone who knows the history of metal and understands what metal is all about would never say such a thing. Metal is all about innovation. Always pushing the genre beyond its limits. Achieving heights of complexity and genius that mankind never even thought they could reach. All of that stopped slowly but surely in 93. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a complete moron or doesn't know the history or purpose of metal.
zakalwe 05.28.22	Agreed
IsisScript80 05.28.22	"elitists are elite for a reason." No, "elitists" are self-proclaimed. It's in most cases, an egocentric's hyper-inflated sense of superiority of opinion to others and in no way a title that is earned. Case in point, here.
Kusangii 05.28.22	So basically just Casavir
DoofDoof 05.28.22	The soul of metal probably died in ‘93 - but some good albums were still released later Similar to the soul of rock, last seen around ‘98 or so The soul of indie schmindie stuff is still going strong thankfully 😅 Pop punk never had a soul
Kusangii 05.28.22	Tbh there was so much poser metal already in the 80's a la glam metal so you could make the point it already died there
Kusangii 05.28.22	"Pop punk never had a soul" You're telling me Machine Gun Kelly didn't reinvent the wheel?
BlondeGuardian 05.28.22	"Pop punk never had a soul" I think Screeching Weasel had something like a soul
DoofDoof 05.28.22	As the band name suggests a soul in torment
Mort. 05.28.22	'Anyone who knows the history of metal and understands what metal is all about would never say such a thing. Metal is all about innovation.' doubt
JKing92 05.28.22	"Anyone who knows the history of metal and understands what metal is all about would never say such a thing. Metal is all about innovation. Always pushing the genre beyond its limits. Achieving heights of complexity and genius that mankind never even thought they could reach. All of that stopped slowly but surely in 93. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a complete moron or doesn't know the history of metal." No offense to you personally, but to hell with that. What matters is what I hear, not the innovation and complexity that a band brings to the table. The fact that, say, Korn's debut means more to me personally than an armload of Maiden and Priest records has nothing to do with Korn being more "complex" than those two bands, and has everything to do with me liking it far more. It has nothing to do with me being a "moron" or "not knowing the history of metal" (nice generalization there, btw), it just so happens that nu metal connects more with me and that I have long viewed the NWOBHM as an important movement when it came to influencing bands I enjoy strongly (Metallica, Slayer, Alice in Chains, SOAD, Deftones), but that I have little use for outside of this context. Ultimately, all that matters to me is whether or not I like what I hear, not technical innovation, which rarely has any baring on my opinion of a piece of music.
JohnnyoftheWell 05.28.22	Mort. 05.28.22 [Report this Post] [Delete] 'Anyone who knows the history of metal and understands what metal is all about would never say such a thing. Metal is all about innovation.' doubt JKing92 05.28.22 [Report this Post] [Delete] "Anyone who knows the history of metal and understands what metal is all about would never say such a thing. Metal is all about innovation. Always pushing the genre beyond its limits. Achieving heights of complexity and genius that mankind never even thought they could reach. All of that stopped slowly but surely in 93. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a complete moron or doesn't know the history of metal." No offense to you personally, but to hell with that. What matters is what I hear, not the innovation and complexity that a band brings to the table. The fact that, say, Korn's debut means more to me personally than an armload of Maiden and Priest records has nothing to do with Korn being more "complex" than those two bands, and has everything to do with me liking it far more. It has nothing to do with me being a "moron" or "not knowing the history of metal" (nice generalization there, btw), it just so happens that nu metal connects more with me and that I have long viewed the NWOBHM as an important movement when it came to influencing bands I enjoy strongly (Metallica, Slayer, Alice in Chains, SOAD, Deftones), but that I have little use for outside of this context. Ultimately, all that matters to me is whether or not I like what I hear, not technical innovation, which rarely has any baring on my opinion of a piece of music. good job mortimus.
JKing92 05.28.22	No joke, that post wasn't even up yet when I initially started typing my response.
Mort. 05.28.22	jking is correct but seriously, i sincerely doubt whether any genre can be really lay claim to being about innovation without some serious qualification.
JKing92 05.28.22	Co-signed all the way.
Pon 05.28.22	This copypasta is one of the best weeding tools ever devised tbh
Kusangii 05.28.22	It's legendary 😂 the best/worst part is that the original writer is probably dead serious about it
Mort. 05.28.22	was frantically googling it to see if it was pasta but couldnt find it so thought you were being serious loool
DavidYowi 05.28.22	This pasta never gets old lmfao
Mort. 05.28.22	where is it from?
Kusangii 05.28.22	On a serious note I totally agree with you JKing. The only thing that matters is if the music connects with the listener. @Mort. https://www.metal-archives.com/users/bitterman dude is one of a kind. The ultimate elite to end all elites. Look at his reviews for a giggle
JKing92 05.28.22	I did not realize this was a copypasta. I feel like such a fool right now. 😂
Kusangii 05.28.22	I've just become a sad troll lately lmao. Sorry, it's my fault 😂
Mort. 05.28.22	dont worry jking they got me as well
Pon 05.28.22	Not as big a fool as anyone that actually agreed with it above lol
Demon of the Fall 05.28.22	I mean it obviously was copypasta, but that’s only because I know Kusangii loves some post-93 metal 😄
Lord(e)Po)))ts 05.28.22	“Metal is all about innovation“ Lmao
Demon of the Fall 05.28.22	that was pretty funny tbf
IsisScript80 05.28.22	Fair play, Kusangii, you got me too. I agree, that whoever wrote that originally probably meant it sincerely... the line between crazed sincerity and utter piss-take is basically invisible on Internet forums--no outcome is a major surprise, especially if you're not too familiar with all parties.
naughtcturnal 05.28.22	metal died when disturbed came out and DESTROYED every metal band out there
DoofDoof 05.28.22	The statement is more true than false though so not sure who’s supposed to be laughing
Kusangii 05.29.22	Yeah no metal albums were innovative nor good after 94 tbh. Only copy paste formula all over again every time
Mort. 05.29.22	no metal albums were innovative or even released ever
Kusangii 05.29.22	Very true
FellHanded 05.29.22	trve list
Kompys2000 05.29.22	Damn who could have ever guessed that this steamer of a pasta was squeezed out of the single worst music discussion site on the internet
Meridiu5 05.29.22	1995*
pizzamachine 05.29.22	God-tier trolling thank you
ToSmokMuzyki 05.29.22	metal is all about kicking ass and chewing bubblegum but ur all out of gum
pizzamachine 05.29.22	Blow it out your ass
ToSmokMuzyki 05.29.22	metal is all about kicking gum and chewing ass but ur all out of ass
pizzamachine 05.29.22	I don’t have time to play with myself
Kusangii 05.29.22	Trve metal always have time to play with you my friend
alkostach 05.29.22	Trve metal is deäd. It died in late 93. Everyone born after 93 is not capable of underständing or äppreciäting what trv metal means. Those music nöobs can eat ass of an ass.
Kusangii 05.29.22	Lucky me I was born in 92!!
pizzamachine 05.29.22	All of these Opeth fanboys have me thinking that America is too dumb to breed which in case, will result in massive in-breeding just like like the olden days. I have this album too high, i'm part of the problem.
TheHamburgerman 05.29.22	Metal died when Iron Maiden started singing about daughters and slaughter, pretty sure that was John Mayers job
Kusangii 04.25.24	Crazy that metal has been dead for 31 years now
jrlikestodance 04.25.24	RIP Metal
Jurtz 04.25.24	Great thread
gabba 04.25.24	If I just look at the name of the bands in the list, it’s no wonder metal died, how could it not? Only “Immortal” tried to go against the waves, but apparently they also threw in the towel with “Pure Holocaust”.
Zakusz 04.25.24	I think of 50 metal bands at this very second that would make me disagree with this silly goose statement.
zakalwe 04.25.24	There’s definitely a case to be heard to be fair
Kusangii 04.29.25	32 years now. We miss you metal.
DoofDoof 04.29.25	Metal died the moment someone ever labelled the vocals 'harsh' and 'cleans' - that might have been around 1993 I don't know precisely. It's probably the same as hip hop dying when someone said the 'production here is impeccable' or some such
Vercetti 05.18.25	Metal died in 1970 when Black Sabbath released their first album and stopped being underground. After that everything went downhill.
Kusangii 05.18.25	It actually died when The Beatles released their first album, because that was the absolute beginning of metal. It was all just downhill from there.
jrlikestodance 05.18.25	I truly hate the terms "harsh" and "cleans" when it comes to metal and hardcore vocals
Hyperion1001 05.18.25	nah the original guy is right slaughter of the soul killed music
ToSmokMuzyki 05.18.25	RIP
zakalwe 05.18.25	Ask yourself this. When you were at school how many genuine metalheads were there and what were they listening to?
Chippe 05.18.25	Me, my friends and a couple of more. Mostly Ozzy, Maiden, Judas and Def Leppard. Ugh, it hurt writing out the last name but had a serious Pyromania infatuation
zakalwe 05.18.25	Def Leppard were the bollocks in the 80s as were Whitesnake, Bon Jovi and all the other rock acts of that era who were just bloody massive in comparison to anything that’s knocking around nowadays.
TheArtofTheGanja 05.18.25	I’d have to move the date forward 7 years to 2000 because Close to a World Below exists
DoofDoof 05.18.25	The following were big metal bands most people listened to at my school: Maiden, Motorhead, Sabbath, Entombed, Carcass, Obituary, Sepultura, Kyuss, Metallica, Megadeth, Guns n Roses, Judas Priest, Tool, Helmet, Prong, Paradise Lost, Fear Factory, Napalm Death, Ministry, Motley Crue, Def Leppard. I'll have forgotten a load too. Aerosmith were also a huge band in the early '90s, which was always strange. Obviously not everyone liked the same bands but those were varyingly 'big' bands at the time at least where I lived.
Chippe 05.18.25	Yeah, with no exposure other than magazines, headbangers ball, a few radio shows and one or two concerts a year they appeared as gods for little teenage me.
brickhed 05.18.25	list is wrong, metal died with limp bizkit and dissodeath
Hyperion1001 05.18.25	limp bizkit it better than 90% of dissodeath bands
brickhed 05.18.25	doesn't mean i'm wrong
Chippe 05.18.25	... and with utmost contempt for myself I'll have to admit I had a dark period listening to Giuffria, Tobruk, Fastway, GTR and the like. Still have a soft spot for Phenomenas debut though.
BallsToTheWall 05.18.25	Touche.
zakalwe 05.18.25	From your list Doof I’d say Prong and Kyuss were complete obscurities back then. Pantera, Faith No More Massive.
Demon of the Fall 05.18.25	I know this is a meme post, but honestly I’d take metal after ‘93 over what went before and it’s not particularly close I mean it’s mostly just a logical volume and “variety” play. Some sacrifices need to (not actually) be made here
zakalwe 05.18.25	No chance
Chippe 05.18.25	Yes chance. The emotional impact from the music were obviously bigger back then and from a metal originality/evolutionary perspective I would give more cred to the classic bands. Nostalgia is mostly lost on me and there are few pre 1990 bands I still listen to.
swaggubeef 05.18.25	Metal dying in 1993 is one of the worst takes I've ever seen in my life (and I should know, I've had some bad takes myself)
Chippe 05.18.25	Lol, think there is a grain of truth in it despite my posts
Demon of the Fall 05.18.25	too much thrash / heavy / power, not enough post or actually good black pre 93 death is tough but the variety post 93 is > hides
Demon of the Fall 05.18.25	serious answer is because ISIS, Neurosis & Cult of Luna wouldn’t have either existed or been the best version of theirselves (and that’s enough to tip the balance in post-93’s favour)
DoofDoof 05.18.25	‘From your list Doof I’d say Prong and Kyuss were complete obscurities back then.’ Zak, Kyuss were ubiquitous at my school and then I moved back to London and everyone was into Kyuss too. In a funny way they’re still a bigger deal than QOTSA I remember watching the video for Demon Cleaner back in the day. They berthed an entire genre near enough, stoner metal/desert metal with loads of knock offs. Big cult band and then QOTSA were full mainstream.
ToSmokMuzyki 05.18.25	wow more posing in here than an action figure convention
Asdfp277 05.18.25	so ive been listening to zombie metal? sweet
brickhed 05.19.25	wow more posing in here than an action figure convention [2]
zakalwe 05.19.25	Fair play Doof, I don’t recall them at all. For a bit of background and for you sput lot born too late my personal take on it is as follows. The school years 91-96 were made up mostly (60-70% probably more) of people into dance, drum n bass, jungle, hardcore. Older brothers and sisters were doing the rave stuff, Helter Skelter and all that. This was without question the dominant ‘youth’ scene certainly in Essex, UK. Second in popularity was indie and goth stuff all handed over from the 80s but then Grunge happened. Grunge was the alternative option (92-94) to the dance crowd and alongside that you had the metal fans which was off the top of my head the main players being. Metallica, Maiden, Guns n Roses, Sepultura, Pantera, Faith No More, Slayer, RATM, Megadeth, Alice in Chains, NIN, ‘legacy’ bands like Sabbath and Priest and then acts like Life of Agony, The Almighty, Clawfinger, Fishbone, Living Colour. The underground was Black Metal, Napalm Death and the ‘grind’ stuff that John Peel used to broadcast. RIP. Then 94-96 Oasis came in and were just massive, absolutely fucking massive, everything changed overnight. Metal also went on a different track it was all Biohazard, Dog Eat Dog, Machinehead, Korn. Also for the record nobody had any Death. Then the 00s and the internet happened, the soul was hollowed out and everything went to absolute shite.