TheAntichrist: yugioh vs. magic the gathering

TheAntichrist 07.06.21	prolly done before but who cares let's brawl it out. who's playing what and which is better?
CaliggyJack 07.06.21	Yugioh, no contest Magic is great, but the mana system can fuck right off.
zaruyache 07.06.21	yugioh is that game that constantly needs to invent increasingly ludicrous powercreeped systems because the devs never figured out how Type 2 works. So. I tried to play yugioh online and it's impossible to play as an oldbie because modern strats are so powercreeped the game's over in like three turns. How am i supposed to summon exodia the forbidden one (!!!!) against that nonsense i tell you it's unfair
Minushuman24 07.06.21	Yugioh pre synchro is a fucking blast
zaruyache 07.06.21	my friends stopped caring about children's cardgames before synchros came out so luckily I never wasted time in that era.
Get Low 07.06.21	Yugioh Goat Format is where it's at And just in general for card games, retro formats are the way to go
rockarollacola 07.06.21	I haven't had sex in 20 months
MeatSalad 07.06.21	MTG, but more specifically EDH
evilford 07.06.21	Mtg ez
Trebor. 07.06.21	yugioh is tiny brain game and magic is big brain game
Muppelope 07.06.21	MTG EDH is a blast. Used to dig Yu-Gi-Oh back in the day but haven't played since GX era. Side note, Dragon Ball Super and Final Fantasy TCGs are honestly really fun. Still not as good as EDH though.
evilford 07.06.21	Lost interest in commander a while ago. 60-card constructed mtg is where it's at for me
DavidYowi 07.06.21	I never learned how to play Yugioh but I loved collecting the cards. I always thought Yugioh had the coolest monsters
CaliggyJack 07.06.21	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
cordwainerbird 07.06.21	yugioh. except a couple yrs ago i decided to go competitive and the actual playing scene was beyond abysmal. but the cards and play system is way cooler i think
cordwainerbird 07.06.21	i still have my deck... oh man, i loved that thing. spyrals, that was the archetype i played. considered a "rogue" deck at the time. i got mostly draws or losses with it but i loved those little metal gear guys. fucking great art on the cards
zaruyache 07.06.21	even the anime didn't know how to play the gd game so you're not alone there lol
CaliggyJack 07.06.21	I still play yugioh with some friends once in a blue moon. Most of us are veterans so we will usually play using Battle City or GX rules cause we aren't the biggest fans of Synchro, XYZ, or Links
budgie 07.06.21	Mtg ez [2] i aint no weeb
cordwainerbird 07.06.21	GX rules are the last time i remember yugioh being fun so that sounds ideal lol
bloc 07.06.21	Yugioh all the way. Best anime ever.
sonictheplumber 07.06.21	i was a yugioh head from 02 to 07
sonictheplumber 07.06.21	this is bizarre but i actually thought pokemon was for babies initially, then when yugioh came out it was like sweet, demons
sonictheplumber 07.06.21	i played magic once on a "camping" trip in 2009 and it was fun but its before my time
sonictheplumber 07.06.21	you cant beat the old school yugioh forums either. im talkin school of duel, yugioh realms, hotel yugioh, evil yugioh, yugioh central
conesmoke 07.06.21	MTG, standard. Commander is fun too but it's a bit cracked
sonictheplumber 07.06.21	a lot of those people from forums are prolly dead now
rodrigo90 07.06.21	Yu-gi-oh! all the way. Magic is just a massive headache learning the rules and the card system is more confusing that the duel masters thing.
zaruyache 07.06.21	I was on yugioh realms a lot, used to love all the fanfic
Sharenge 07.06.21	Yu-Gi-Oh has a cool Japanese anime to go with it so I'm going with that and it's cool how they don't give a fuck about rules...I feel like every iteration of the franchise has its own system/rules... hell pretty sure even Duel Monsters alone used multiple rulesets and even featured Dungeon Dice Masters over the course of its +200 episodes
sonictheplumber 07.06.21	duel masters was fun lol the game nobody on fuckin earth played
sonictheplumber 07.06.21	dude i was 8 years old on yugioh realms but i was tellin everyone i was 30 it was pretty retarded
nightbringer 07.06.21	I played Yugioh semi-competitively way, way back in the mid 2000s. Played online with YVD, part of the xerocreative forums. I liked Vampire Lord. I stopped playing around the time this Phoenix card came out, can't remember what exactly it was called. I always thought it was a broken game and that I'd probably enjoy Magic more.
nightbringer 07.06.21	I remember when the first ban list came out lol. And broken crap like Magical Scientist one-turn wins and Yata-locks.
rellik009 07.06.21	mtg ez [3] but yugioh is really fun too
nightbringer 07.06.21	Also, I briefly played duel masters lol .
Parallels 07.06.21	im gonna be that person and say wotc-era pokemon
rellik009 07.06.21	duel masters is such a relic holy moly I still have some decks of it but nobody remembers it does anybody here play Vanguard? fun card game with an anime but the rules are complicated
StormChaser 07.06.21	is this even a debate
StormChaser 07.06.21	dacia or mercedes benz?
Scheumke 07.06.21	Flesh and Blood is where its at people. Pokémon and Hearthstone are too RNG heavy, Magic can be particularly unbalanced and pay to win if you play constructed (every tcg has that in some form but mtg in particular), never actually played Yugioh so can't say if its better than any of the others.
garas 07.06.21	Care for a round of Gwent?
dedex 07.06.21	mtg ayeeee
Tundra 07.06.21	Yugioh has gone off the rails lmao, I would argue that you need a vast understanding of every card in the game (or atleast every card in the current meta) to even stand a chance. And theres not even a thing like on Pokemon showdown where you can use Under Used or Rarely Used decks etc. Its all just circle jerk over the best deck until it gets hit on the banlist or something else comes to completely powercreep it out of competitive play.
nightbringer 07.06.21	"Its all just circle jerk over the best deck until it gets hit on the banlist or something else comes to completely powercreep it out of competitive play." Sounds like the game hasn't changed since when I played it then.
aydross121 07.06.21	Synchros imo where ok, they made the extra deck more useful in general and where kinda fun to setup/not that easy. xyz onward was just really lame though, Everyone was summoning 5+ monsters each turn.
nightbringer 07.06.21	For as long as I played it, Yugioh really struggled to give players more than 1 - at a push, 2 - viable competitive decks at any one time.
aydross121 07.06.21	@night was it this card: https://www.trollandtoad.com/yugioh/yu-gi-oh-promo-cards/sacred-phoenix-of-nephthys-een-ense3-secret-rare/142464 A friend had that one, that piece of shit just refused to die.
StormChaser 07.06.21	Play a MTG cube with friends, solves a lot of the balance and cost problems. It's an initial investment, but later you can just reap the benefits endlessly Also, drafting is like amazing, even if you have less than 8 people (the most fun I've had for years now is playing cube 2-man draft)
Egarran 07.06.21	Played mtg for ages and my card collection will hopefully sustain me through old life. Obviously the best game ever made. Currently building an Atla Palani EDH deck.
ReturnToRock 07.06.21	I'm too old for Yu-Gi-Oh. I was an avid M:tG player from Fourth Edition/Ice Age until like, Onslaught (I think...?) until it got too complicated and everyone went off it (it happened at roughly the same time) so I had no one to play against anymore. I used to play Goblin Swarm or a red/green hybrid, though I've also experimented with a blue counter deck, with some success. I was also the king of awful trades as a n00b, I could tell you some stories (I got a Serra Angel on my VERY FIRST starter deck, and traded it for a bunch of commons including Mons Goblin Raider, because 'hurr durr ten cards for one'. Almost a quarter of a century later, that STILL hurts! >_< And there was also the Nightmare around the same time, and the Swords Into Plowshares after I was no longer a n00b and should have known better.)
nightbringer 07.06.21	aydross121, yup, that was the one.
Egarran 07.06.21	Oh all those things we could have done differently. I think money-wise the biggest mistake was not to buy a black lotus when I started. It was about $350 I think, and I thought that was absolutely ridiculous. Lol to spend that amount on a card would be the height of stupidity. It's over $20k now.
nightbringer 07.06.21	My regrets aren't the dumb trades I made. It was the opposite problem. I tricked so many kids into trading me their amazing cards in exchange for junk. The guilt.
Egarran 07.06.21	I think the thing that most pleases me is, late 90s I went to a tournament where some weird dude were selling duals at about $5-10 a card. And I bought A LOT. They're about $300-1000 now.
budgie 07.06.21	"I was an avid M:tG player from Fourth Edition/Ice Age until like, Onslaught" oooh wow you played standard mtg during the black summer??
Egarran 07.06.21	T1 ritual>hippie T2 hymn T3 necropotence GG And thx to all my duals I managed to squeeze bolt and plows in there too.
sonictheplumber 07.06.21	raigeki :D
aydross121 07.06.21	Why is that Black Lotus card so expensive wtf
Meridiu5 07.06.21	yugioh entry curve is lower and the ban systems are a little more sensible. i found it more fun in middle school.
nightbringer 07.06.21	raigeki lol. The base set of yugioh was such trash. So clearly designed with no intent for any competitive play.
sonictheplumber 07.06.21	dark hole :D
sonictheplumber 07.06.21	dude remember when a fuckin beatdown deck was actually seen as viable? like just sticking a bunch of shit ass 1200 attack point shitmonsters in your deck just cause they looked badass on the tv show
TheAntichrist 07.06.21	i summon skull red bird and attack your lifepoints directly
evilford 07.06.21	I remember seeing that a 9.8 graded alpha black lotus sold at auction for over 600k within the last year
Meridiu5 07.06.21	yugioh artwork and flavor text is still superior to this day
TheAntichrist 07.06.21	you could say it's quite tasty eh?
Space Jester 07.06.21	They both play very differently so there's not really much of a reason to compare them
ReturnToRock 07.06.21	@budgie I don't know. I started out in 1997/98, just as Fourth was being phased out and Fifth was becoming the new standard edition. I stopped around...2002/2003, around the time they started coming out with those pre-made decks. The expansions I remember off the top of my head are: Ice Age, Visions, Tempest, Unglued, Weatherlight, Stronghold, Exodus, the Urza ones, and Mercadian Masques. When I used to play, everybody was big on Counter decks and Suicide Black.
ReturnToRock 07.06.21	Also, THE single greatest flavour text of all time: https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=184690 And its close second: https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=9742
Storm In A Teacup 07.06.21	Collected yu gi oh cards cuz of tv show and had a few monsters from magic. Was the kid that thought the magic figures looked cool but never had any idea wtf a magic the gathering was. Did play in Pokémon “tournaments” and lost to 35 year old virgins who changed the rules always.
ShadowRemains 07.06.21	when you had both mirror force and magic cylinder in your magic/trap zone waiting for that bitch ass to just try and attack >>>>>
Relinquished 07.06.21	unless I took your monsters
ShadowRemains 07.06.21	rip cylinder would still work though
Space Jester 07.06.21	No one plays traps as often anymore in modern Yugioh, they’re too slow
Tundra 07.06.21	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AyjIFiR9EQ This video demonstrates what modern yugioh is like to the absolute tee, it's uncanny
bloc 07.06.21	Most badass card: Jinzo Thousand Eyes Restrict Hungry Burger nuff said
zaruyache 07.07.21	yeah that's what I was trying to say. I get that synchros were originally kind of a way to make fusion summoning viable, but everything after that is poopy game design from powercreep they just never decided to deal with.
Meridiu5 07.07.21	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AyjIFiR9EQ This video demonstrates what modern yugioh is like to the absolute tee, it's uncanny LOL
Tundra 07.07.21	"LOL" I watch it every couple of weeks to get a good laugh, one of the funniest videos I've ever seen on YouTube, the comedic timing is impeccable chefs kiss. The funniest thing however is that modern Yugioh players would actually be triggered by this video, that's how sad of human beings they are.
aydross121 07.07.21	wtf is a pendulum
bloc 07.07.21	The TV show makes the game mechanics look so easy though
Flugmorph 07.07.21	yugioh is tiny brain game and magic is big brain game [2351613] furiously tipping fedo
Flugmorph 07.07.21	"yugioh artwork and flavor text is still superior to this day" lmao you gotta be facetious with this. you can't really say that with a straight face that's impossible.
Sharenge 07.07.21	says the guy calling either one of these franchises "big brain"
GhandhiLion 07.07.21	https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Hungry_Burger says the guy calling either one of these franchises "big brain" [2] play chess you losers. No microtransactions or localised card censorship at all
Flugmorph 07.07.21	'says the guy calling either one of these franchises "big brain"' sry forgot that obvious signposted irony still flies past absolute dumbfucks on the internet, my bad.
rodrigo90 07.07.21	wtf is a pendulum A new mechanic introduced in the game in the last seasons. But Don't worry, at least in duel links the classic version of the game is used. Except for the synchro summon.
Veks 07.07.21	I grew up playing MTG but I stopped a long time ago. Will always be special even if I never play it again. Right now, i find there is too much and i wish they prunned it and went back. Insert old man "in my days" jpg.
DaveT0738 07.07.21	Dunno shit bout MTG but Yu Gi Oh was the shit back then
Tundra 07.07.21	"Dunno shit bout MTG but Yu Gi Oh was the shit back then" keyword "back then", it's beyond awful now
Flugmorph 07.07.21	unironically though yugioh is for peasants
DaveT0738 07.07.21	I lost track of the series after GX
bloc 07.07.21	Best anime ever. Never got into GX much, but 5D's is crazy underrated.
Storm In A Teacup 07.07.21	loved watching yu gi oh as a kid. tried to look it up awhile ago and could not get into it at all. also went back and did a yu yu hakusho run which was fucking awesome as i expected.
Storm In A Teacup 07.07.21	There is a Gundam anime that I loved and haven't been able to figure out which series it was but I know the evil minion bots in first episode or two were brown and round and i think they were hunting in an old town but not sure if that even helps.
GhandhiLion 07.07.21	"Best anime ever." ehh the abridged anime is good
Meridiu5 07.07.21	Real men play cheese decks with gravity bind and yata garasu
GhandhiLion 07.07.21	ah the classic yugioh experience
Flugmorph 07.07.21	real men hunt in packs
sometimes 07.07.21	magic all the way bro
Egarran 07.07.21	I like that you're not allowed to say that Magic is the bigger brain game. It's just the truth, there's no harm in it.
rodrigo90 07.07.21	I lost track of the series after GX Me 2, but it was more because the poor decisions of those faggots of 4kids who started to leave the series incomplete. In GX they didn't dubbed the last season, in 5D's the same, no idea of the following seasons....
LeddSledd 07.07.21	NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD
sonictheplumber 07.07.21	neopets
Flugmorph 07.07.21	f word warning WEEOOOWEEEEOOOWEEEEOOO
zaruyache 07.08.21	"Real men play cheese decks with gravity bind and yata garasu" I could never get my hands on the Chaos stuff but I did run zombies with Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys and that was really fun to play.
aydross121 07.08.21	@rodrigo lol I got curious and checked how pendulums work, that shit aint right Good to know duel links stops at synchros though, if anyone wants to go against my terrible 2006 Gadget deck you can get in line
aydross121 07.08.21	Also chao cockfights in sonic adventure 2 > MTG
ReturnToRock 07.08.21	@Veks greetings, fellow old man. I'm guessing you were part of the same late 90s M:tG craze that I got onboard with? And dropped it circa 2003 or so when it all got to be much of a muchness?
Flugmorph 07.08.21	started playing mtg around 2003 with mirrodin
Minushuman24 07.09.21	been playing Yugioh The Duelist of the Roses lately and it is such an ungodly underrated game
Lichtbringer 07.09.21	MtG, obviously.
Get Low 07.10.21	"There is a Gundam anime that I loved and haven't been able to figure out which series it was but I know the evil minion bots in first episode or two were brown and round and i think they were hunting in an old town but not sure if that even helps." https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/JDG-009X_Death_Army ??
Egarran 07.10.21	Was surprised to see the venture/dungeon mechanic in MtG being fun. It looked so clunky but it works really well.
Flugmorph 07.10.21	mtg have some good game designers believe it or not
Sharenge 07.11.21	recently bought a copy of Duelists of the Roses myself from work, but it seemed like it was mostly just a rehash of Forbidden Memories with the primary addition/difference being the battle map that you actually traverse and move your cards around on during a duel... maybe I didn't spend enough time with it, but that feature/aspect didn't really appeal to me or add to the experience for me so I put it down and just been popping in Forbidden Memories any time I feel like doing some Playstation Yu-Gi-Oh
Egarran 07.11.21	>mtg have some good game designers believe it or not Something like Oko made us seriously doubt that.