splinter: Modern Metalcore Classics by splinter

Snake. 04.23.18	no
Snake. 04.23.18	wait i'm confused now you don't even have any of these albums in your ratings
Muppelope 04.23.18	Yo. What?
BAG 04.23.18	yea literallg suck my dick
Aberf 04.23.18	Worst genre
Deez 04.23.18	jesus christ
Get Low 04.23.18	This is embarrassing.
trilo 04.23.18	have we been memed
DoofusWainwright 04.23.18	Metalcore Classics I can’t comprehend
foxblood 04.23.18	metalcore rules
Muppelope 04.23.18	It's a distinct possibility. The thing is I can almost buy 1 and 4 legitimately being on this list, as they are classics for the melodic metalcore stuff. But even then, in that context, the absence of Alive or Just Breathing is confounding.
BlackwaterPork 04.23.18	8 is the only one I’d take tbh
calmrose 04.23.18	nope
Muppelope 04.23.18	8s alright too, but frail words is more of a "classic"
botb 04.23.18	Hey look a list I would have made in 2007 before I found any cool music
cold 04.23.18	Where’s Heavy Heavy Low Low
splinter 04.23.18	describe this community with one sentence... "like moths to flames"
TheSpirit 04.23.18	i love all these albums, good work
pjquinones747 04.23.18	There's three subsubgenres within metalcore: Hardcore influenced (Norma Jean, Misery Signals, poisonthewell) Melodeath influenced (All That Remains, Trivium, BFMV) Garbage (We Came as Romans, Asking Alexandria, etc)
cold 04.23.18	Where’s Acacia Strain
FearThyEvil 04.23.18	lol these suck ass except for 4 and 5. 1 is great too but not a classic
BAG 04.23.18	where's acacia strain [28385874]
cold 04.23.18	Where’s Job For A Cowboy
JDubb 04.24.18	Nice list! I am partial to nos. 3 and 5 myself. No 10 is a classic.
TylerLamberg 04.24.18	Coward and Attack of the Wolf King are better Haste the Day albums, imo. I don't agree with all the hate this list is getting. No, I can't really call any of these albums "classics" per se, but I thoroughly enjoy quite a few of them. Mostly 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8. I never understood outright hatred of metalcore.
splinter 04.24.18	All of these records are classics for me, because I grew up with them.. therefore it is just my opinion. Can't understand why so many people hate this genre, it is actually pretty cool.
TheSpirit 04.24.18	they don’t it’s all for net cred
Casavir 04.24.18	It tends to water down a lot of elements of the metal genre, that's why. Uninspired riffs, song structures that doggedly follow the tepid path that Slaughter of the Soul paved for them, nauseatingly whiny vocals, etc.
splinter 04.24.18	@Casavir That's why it is called metalcore.. and not metal. Congratulations, you have witnessed evolution, get used to it. Pretty sure you are over 40 years old and you wish that every damn band sounds like iron maiden or judas priest.
Casavir 04.24.18	"Pretty sure you are over 40 years old" lmao "and you wish that every damn band sounds like iron maiden or judas priest" Not really. There are bands in every other subgenre of metal in any time period that have been or are better than the majority of, if not all, metalcore bands.
Muppelope 04.24.18	Ooooooooh. He told you, boy.
Casavir 04.24.18	Also, calling some of these selections "classic" is hilarious, especially when you consider the years in which they came out. Take that Unearth pick for example. Back to the Times of Splendor by Disillusion, Ink Compatible by Spastic Ink, Temple of Shadows by Angra, Defiant Imagination by Quo Vadis, Where Memories Combine by Cea Serin, The Spell of Retribution by The Chasm, 8 Deadly Sins by Manticora (and many others great albums), etc. came out that same year and it's not better than any of them. Your attempt to paint me as a slave to '70s/'80s nostalgia is laughable, truly.
Snake. 04.24.18	"That's why it is called metalcore.. and not metal. Congratulations, you have witnessed evolution, get used to it." holy shit i'm cryinggggg
G0atC0re 04.24.18	where black veil brides? rawr
Space Jester 04.24.18	To be fair, there are definitely a lot of good metalcore bands and classics in the genre. None of them are on this list though.
Deathconscious 04.24.18	looks like a list i would have made in high school. try checking out Botch, Deadguy, Breach, Catharsis, etc., AKA the good side of metalcore.
Space Jester 04.24.18	Starkweather, Rorschach, Breather Resist, Burnt by the Sun, Coalesce, Ananda, Knut, Norma Jean, The Chariot, Zao, Kiss It Goodbye, Quell, Seizures, The Secret, Cave In, CONVERGE... c’mon dudes
Deathconscious 04.24.18	^^^ hard
Mort. 04.24.18	chek my list yung boiiiiiii
Demon of the Fall 04.24.18	Bookmarked... That's jesterhead's comment, not this list.
Mort. 04.24.18	https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=1034844&listid=165360 check this demon
Demon of the Fall 04.24.18	Wow, that's a comprehensive list. Nice. Yeah I keep hearing the names but forget to check properly
splinter 04.24.18	According to the most of you, metalcore has to sound like shit to be good music.. I understood.
Mort. 04.24.18	yes thats exactly what we are saying, well done, have a shiny
Jesuslaves 04.24.18	> Joined 04-23-18
Deathconscious 04.24.18	Nah it just has to have interesting instrumentation and real aggression instead of pop choruses and one note breakdowns. If youre over 20, its about time you look into graduating to big boy metalcore.
Deathconscious 04.24.18	@jesus yes, we're probably getting trolled, its ok.
Mort. 04.24.18	pretty weak troll tbh, coulda chosen some more inflammatory albums
cold 04.24.18	"Jfac is death metal @cold, lol" Well dang, we really only listened to Doom and just lumped it in with metalcore bands at the time lol.
splinter 04.24.18	I am not trolling, this is just MY TASTE of music. When you have a different taste, it is totally okay, but live with it when your taste is shit.
cold 04.24.18	Andddddddd welcome to Sput, buddy
cold 04.24.18	"Starkweather, Rorschach, Breather Resist, Burnt by the Sun, Coalesce, Ananda, Knut, Norma Jean, The Chariot, Zao, Kiss It Goodbye, Quell, Seizures, The Secret, Cave In, CONVERGE... c’mon dudes" ^I missed this comment, but this guy has the right idea. I would add Achilles to it too :]
TylerLamberg 04.24.18	Isn't it possible to enjoy the good side of metalcore and still enjoy some of these picks?
osmark86 04.24.18	@Tyler: ofc, but sput's gotta be sput. I enjoy some of these albums every now and then. not all music one listens to has to be profound, sometimes you just want to bang your head to immediate riffage.
osmark86 04.24.18	hardly defined as a "classic" but it's a bit of a personal favorite that the op, troll or not, might dig. Caliban - The Awakening
JeetJeet 04.24.18	Honestly no core list is valid unless Johnny Truant is on it. Sorry bruh.
cold 04.24.18	Ohhhhhh man, I forgot about Johnny Truant!
Space Jester 04.24.18	@splinter don’t take too much offense. Just love what you love unabashedly and play well with others regardless of what they say about your taste. Sputnik does have an elitist streak but as long as you’re confident, don’t take people too seriously and play well with others, people will respect you even if your taste is contrarian I’m curious as to what metalcore bands were listed that you think are shit though. You might have some defending to do buster!!
splinter 04.24.18	@jesterhead92 thanks for the advice most of these bands sound just like noise, without any concept behind it. Honestly, I can't listen to Jane Doe (for much people the best "metalcore" album in history) longer than 30 seconds, because it is just a confusing mess of instruments with a singer who sounds like a dying cat. My ears are instantly bleeding. Good music needs a melody, that's my opinion. But tbh, lyrical it is really amazing. Except Norma Jean & Cave In I cannot listen to anything on this list, and even these bands are far away from "good" for me.
Madbutcher3 04.24.18	check Shai Hulud Svalbard Raised Fist Darkest Hour (Deliver Us is a good starting point) August Burns Red otherwise idk i hate nwoahm and most melodic metalcore but those are probably the best accessible ones i can think of
Space Jester 04.24.18	@splinter I understand why it might not sound good to your ears, it definitely is very chaotic and hard to take in at first but tbh most of the stuff I listed is much more in line with metalcore as it first formed in the late 80s and early 90s when it was known as “metallic hardcore.” Dissonant melodies and constant shifts in tempo and time signatures have been a staple since the beginning. From what I can tell from your ratings and this list, you don’t like a lot of dissonance in your music. It can be an acquired taste but I think you could definitely find the appeal in it if you gave it some effort, many Converge fans will tell you that they didn’t like Jane Doe on first listen but after spending some time with it, it found it’s way into their hearts.
pjquinones747 04.24.18	@splinter: I got sputnik'd so much harder when I first joined. The shit I was listening to back in the day was god-awful. Get out while you can or else you'll become a pretentious cuck like the rest of us. I could've had my innocence but I wanted to understand why GY!BE was so interesting to these people. Don't be like me. Run.
cold 04.24.18	" I can't listen to Jane Doe (for much people the best "metalcore" album in history) longer than 30 seconds, because it is just a confusing mess of instruments with a singer who sounds like a dying cat." Them words are a criminal offense on Sput, buddy
splinter 04.24.18	@jesterhead92 I am not sure if I could ever listen to music like this... I tried so hard, but it's just not working. I even pushed myself to do it, without success. @pjquinones747 I think, or better I know that I am resistant. I will never change my taste. I could never like music who sounds so awful like the most of the good rated albums here... @coldheaven criminal honest too
Space Jester 04.24.18	Tbh I did used to like most (not all) of the stuff in this list but it’s just boring to me now. Learning more about music just made me crave more interesting and inaccessible stuff lol
cold 04.24.18	lolololololololololololololol nah
DinosaurJones 04.24.18	So basically, if we're comparing music, splinter needs to grow up and do coke like an adult. Get into the hard stuff, you pansy.
pjquinones747 04.24.18	Two years ago I didn't understand Converge and thought I'd never try coke. Look at me now. Thanks Sput'bama.
splinter 04.24.18	@jesterhead92 rec me anything to change my opinion
dctarga 04.24.18	Darkest Hour (Deliver Us is a good starting point) [2]
Space Jester 04.24.18	@splinter something that might help us watching some guitar covers on YouTube, getting a firm grasp of what the instruments are doing can help. Of course if you’re put off by the sounds, only repetition can really help that @Dinosaur be nice maaaan
pjquinones747 04.24.18	Darkest Hour (Deliver Us is a good starting point) [3] Also try: Sylosis Old Phinehas (first two albums) The first While She Sleeps album The latest two Revocation albums
cold 04.24.18	Try more Converge
DinosaurJones 04.24.18	Oh, I'm being facetious. Fuck man, I listen to Post-Rock and Ska. I'm not one to rag one someone for their tastes.
pjquinones747 04.24.18	Stop trying to warp his frail mind. We need to mold it slowly so he'll one day be pretentious enough to enjoy atmospheric black metal, shoegaze, and crust punk. This is where we begin.
cold 04.24.18	That's a lot of work that I don't know if I can commit to
pjquinones747 04.24.18	We'll let him sit on some mild metalcore-melodeath recs first since thats where he leans, and then we'll introduce some old Soilwork, then old At the Gates, and by the time he learns to enjoy The Red in the Sky he'll be ready to come back to Converge.
cold 04.24.18	How about I just revert him to Nu-Metal?
pjquinones747 04.24.18	It would be a disservice to humanity itself, but also highly entertaining to watch in progression. I say go for it.
DinosaurJones 04.24.18	IS THAT YOUR BITCH CAUSE SHE TELL ME SHE READY TO GO SHE READY TO GO SHE READY TO GO IS THAT YOUR BITCH CAUSE SHE TELL ME SHE READY TO GO I need bloc and BigBlob in here, STAT.
pjquinones747 04.24.18	@Jom pls add working mentions so we can pull unwitting users into our conversations
cold 04.24.18	Splint, listen to nothing but Limp Bizkit, it'll change yr life
pjquinones747 04.24.18	@cold it's people like us that are going to kill this site by scaring off all of the new users.
splinter 04.24.18	@pjquinones747 first wss is one of my absolute faves phinehas is awesome too @coldheaven converge sucks somehow
cold 04.24.18	You're just rubbing it in now, don't make me take you to the Matthews Bridge
Space Jester 04.24.18	Splinter have you heard any Converge other than Jane Doe? It’s their most critically acclaimed but also far and away their most difficult one to get into for newcomers.
dctarga 04.24.18	"don't make me take you to the Matthews Bridge" heh, nice one But yeah Converge is kind of tough one to get into, I'm still not on them myself. "You Fail Me" would be a good one for you to try though, certainly more accessible than anything else they have it seems
cold 04.24.18	Listen to Halo In A Haystack
pjquinones747 04.24.18	Listen to Edge of the Earth by Sylosis and then try Deathless from Revocation. In that order.
cold 04.24.18	Listen to ICP
splinter 04.24.18	@jesterhead92 Just Jane Doe, I'll listen to some other album, I promise!!
pjquinones747 04.24.18	Listen to ICP [2]
DinosaurJones 04.24.18	THROW THEM FINGERS UP AND FINGER FUCK THE SKY
Space Jester 04.24.18	Splinter you said you like Norma Jean and Cave In, how much of their stuff are you familiar with and why do you like it?
DinosaurJones 04.24.18	SHE LIKE THE WAY WE PUMP IT I CALL HER PUMPKIN PIE
Deathconscious 04.24.18	"Good music needs a melody" Man, what a fuckin pansy.
splinter 04.24.18	@jesterhead92 tbh just Norma Jeans Polar Similar & of Cave In mostly everything.. but I have also problems to get into Until Your Heart Stops.. maybe just not my kind of music. Their non metalcore stuff is really enjoyable, the rest not. For me is this more math then music.. as bad as it sound = as better it is rated on sputnik, lol. (at least in this genre)
DinosaurJones 04.24.18	Yeah, get on the Power Electronics/Harsh Noise train.
Deathconscious 04.24.18	Jump straight into No Faith - Forced Subservience, pussy.
DinosaurJones 04.24.18	AND THEN LISTEN TO SACHIKO M - BAR SACHIKO. IT'S A GODDAMN MASTERPIECE BECAUSE IT GIVES UP ANY SENSE OF MUSICALITY AND MELODY AND IF YOU DON'T GIVE IT A 5 YOU'RE A WIMP.
pjquinones747 04.24.18	Mates I recently got acquainted with some heavy devy I've been on Epicloud 9
Madbutcher3 04.24.18	it's natural for a genre like metalcore to sound dissonant and visceral when a lot of the time that's the theme of the music. it makes sense for angry music to sound mean and harsh, which is why i think a lot of people are critical of more melodic metalcore, or overly polished metal production jobs and things like that
Evreaia 04.24.18	How can ones taste be as bad as this? This list is a joke right?
TheSpirit 04.24.18	eye rolls DERP, okay but you LISTENED TO CONVORGE YEAH MAN CHEKC O(UT SOME REAL mETLCORE
Deathconscious 04.24.18	Lol for real though, i still jam some of these now and then for nostalgia's sake. I guess they could be considered classics of mid 2000's melodeath inspired metalcore, but making a list titled "metalcore classics" and only listing hot topic-core reveals you dont know what the fuck youre talking about.
TheSpirit 04.24.18	well it's kinda fuckin lame that on every metalcore list on this site, if you don't have converge on your list initially you get spammed by 100 users saying the same tired shit
cold 04.24.18	For real though, check out Scarlet-Cult Classic. Super low key underrated band.
Casavir 04.24.18	" I guess they could be considered classics of mid 2000's melodeath inspired metalcore," It's hard to consider something like that classic when it uses one of the worst melodeath albums of all time as a roadmap.
TylerLamberg 04.24.18	Is Misery Signals acceptable to the sputlords?? I think they would be a great Segway into "better" metalcore. Check Of Malice and the Magnum Heart by Misery Signals! I feel it's a very easy transition from the bands listed.
Deathconscious 04.24.18	Im not personally that into them, but yes, they are acceptable.
Snake. 04.24.18	this guy is not worth fucking with if he ain't gonna stan converge have fun with your boy band metalcore
TylerLamberg 04.24.18	Misery Signals maintains a lot of the melodic leanings that op likes, while often having more interesting song structures, instrumentation, etc. Imo, of course.
SteakByrnes 04.24.18	Misery Signals is an amazing band with such a consistently excellent discography it's ridiculous
TylerLamberg 04.24.18	If it pleases the sputlords, I think Zao would be another good transitionary recommendation for op. Check their albums Where Blood and Fire Bring Rest, as well as, Liberate Te Ex Inferis
splinter 04.24.18	@TylerLamberg I really like Misery Signals, it's something I consider as music @Snake. Matt Heafy is the Justin Timberlake of metalcore music
TylerLamberg 04.24.18	Speaking of Matt Heafy, their newest album is so good it's ridiculous
BallsToTheWall 04.24.18	Get with the times you old bitch.
Rowhaus 04.24.18	well 1, 3, and 5 are pretty good at least
BallsToTheWall 04.24.18	How you gonna skip Unearth?
Madbutcher3 04.24.18	if you like Misery Signal I would recommend Shai Hulud, particularly Reach Beyond the Sun since it's the most polished and overtly melodic Same with Darkest Hour although they serve more as a transitioning point into melodeath instead of harder edged metalcore
splinter 04.24.18	@TylerLamberg you restored my faith in this com @Madbutcher3 thank you, I will give them a try
Space Jester 04.24.18	Misery Signals and Shai Hulud are both great, because they have progressive song structures and cool variations on the melodic metalcore formula, things that I don’t get out of anything else on this list. Splinter if you dig those try 7 Angels 7 Plagues if you haven’t, some of the dudes in Misery Signals used to be in that band and they might be a good seg into some more abrasive stuff
TylerLamberg 04.24.18	"you restored my faith in this com" So glad to hear it! Man, I love this site. I've been around, mostly in the background, for 5 years now. I was pretty active the first year or two, but then college came around and time has been super limited since. The community can be a bit hard to get used to, but most people here aren't actually assholes, they just like messing around with people. It's best to take it in stride and dish it back without taking much anyone says too seriously. Agreed about Darkest Hour, btw. Undoing Ruin, Deliver Us, and Godless Prophets and the Migrant Flora are all amazing albums you'd likely enjoy. But yes, they're definitely more melo death leaning. Cheers to you and I hope you enjoy your Sputnik musical journey!
mortifierftw 04.24.18	I have now seen a best of metalcore on Sputnik without Converge and I feel deeply disturbed
cold 04.24.18	Underminded
Muppelope 04.24.18	Some of the first metalcore bands I started listening to that I still regularly listen to are The Dillenger Escape Plan, Fear Before, Exotic Animal Petting Zoo, Every Time I Die, Norma Jean, The Chariot, Underoath, Zao, Hopesfall, Misery Signals, The Bled, Scarlet, Botch, Poison the Well, Will Haven and Counterparts. Maybe start with some of those?
mortifierftw 04.24.18	Splinter I was gonna rec Hopesfall's The Satellite Years but I see you already 5'd it just like me. Good for you :)
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	"I have now seen a best of metalcore on Sputnik without Converge and I feel deeply disturbed" If I ever made a list like that it wouldn't have Converge on it either
TylerLamberg 04.25.18	wow mort you just got REKT
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	I just don't get them Although I do like the You Fail Me Redux
splinter 04.25.18	@SteakByrnes I think I love you 'cause of your jane doe rating
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	Not many would love me for that Jane Doe rating lmao
splinter 04.25.18	@SteakByrnes just disappointed that it's not 1.0
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	Well it doesn't deserve a 1
splinter 04.25.18	@SteakByrnes for me it does but my taste is shit
TylerLamberg 04.25.18	I've never listened to Jane Doe in full. I tried listening to it when I first joined Sput ala the type of recs you're receiving here and hated it. Never tried it again. I may like it at this point, as I like a lot of things I didn't appreciate back then, but...
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	nice
splinter 04.25.18	@TylerLamberg ...when I try to listen this I instantly want to drown in my own blood
zaruyache 04.25.18	Jane Doe is p good. I hated it when I first tried listening to Converge, but I got used to it over time. Try jamming some of their later stuff maybe, since they've gotten much less aggressive in the last decade+.
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	I suggest You Fail Me
0GuyMan0 04.25.18	ETID has like 6 albums that belong on this list. Props for 4 and 8 tho.
Deathconscious 04.25.18	"when I try to listen this I instantly want to drown in my own blood" Thats a good thing, pussy boy.
mortifierftw 04.25.18	Everything about Jane Doe is perfect to me. The guitar work is incredibly intricate and creative without trying to show off too much, the drumming is absolutely insane, THICC bass, Bannon's vocals match the intensity of the music and his lyrics are incredibly poetic, the production/mixing is flawless, and the variety and structure make it stand out in the genre
Space Jester 04.25.18	[2]
Get Low 04.25.18	Lyke ohemgee, Jane Doe will grow on you over tiem!! Just give it 50 or so listens! The vocalist is actually, like, really good! Have tried listening to it for ten years and still don't like it? Don't worry! Please give it more tiem to grow!!
Space Jester 04.25.18	I mean a lot of people have attested to not liking it for a long time until it finally clicked for them to it’s not surprising they would use that to convince someone to give it more listens. And yes, Jacob Bannon’s vocals do rule
0GuyMan0 04.25.18	I'm in Getlow's boat on this one. 10/10 would take the last three converge albums over JD.
Space Jester 04.25.18	They’ve definitely gotten a bit more accessible but personally their peak for me is WFCC and Jane Doe side by side, despite having different line-ups. My favorite metalcore and music in general is the stuff with more free-flowing song structures and not too much repetition. Jane Doe does have a few choruses in the first half but after that it’s pretty much all mathcore chaos
zaruyache 04.25.18	Jane Doe is a horribly abrasive album given how hardcore it is. Their approach to aggression there with their constant tempo and section shifts makes it a really inaccessible album if you're not already into metal. So imo it's definitely "different" to get into than normal extreme metal stuff. Same reason it took me a while to figure out how to listen to Meshuggah (I started on ObZen).
Casavir 04.25.18	I may do a Converge ranking. Their oeuvre has been better than I remembered.
Space Jester 04.25.18	Man it always just becomes about Converge lol There are other really good metalcore bands guys!!!
splinter 04.25.18	hello my friends, I am currently trying to listen JD... I was able to listen "Concubine".. I will try the rest tomorrow
mortifierftw 04.25.18	Hey Splinter, imma let you finish but... Listen to Converge's "A Single Tear" and tell me what you think. It's more melodic and accessible than Jane Doe
Scoot 04.25.18	plastic soul impalement
splinter 04.25.18	@mortifierftw fuck I like that @Scoot I'll give it a try, thx
Scoot 04.25.18	it's by training for utopia they formed demon hunter but tfu were way better
Space Jester 04.25.18	Honestly I think the best newcomer tactic for Converge is to just go backwards through their discography Or just watch some of this to see what playing this shit actually looks like https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FPthJ9ks8HY
Source 04.25.18	Most of these are garb, but 4 owns. I've bumped it several times recently to no avail
Deathconscious 04.25.18	Unearth are easily the best band on this list.
Source 04.25.18	Yeah, the oncoming storm is a masterpiece imo
mortifierftw 04.25.18	HEY GUYS I JUST GOT SPLINT ENJOYING HIS FIRST CONVERGE SONG IS THEIR LIKE A SPUTNIK PRIZE OR SPUTNIK MEDALLION I GET OR SOMETHING
Source 04.25.18	You get the banhammer
mortifierftw 04.25.18	Ooooh sounds friendly
Get Low 04.25.18	I'll have to listen to The Oncoming Storm. I've only heard The March by Unearth and thought it kind of sucked.
Source 04.25.18	Yeah listen. It's gud
Deathconscious 04.25.18	In the Eyes of Fire is their best.
cold 04.25.18	do Crabcore Classics next
Mort. 04.25.18	listen to coalesce goddamiity
Demon of the Fall 04.25.18	@mortifieftw: there should always be a prize for introducing people to Converge He'd probably dig AWLWLB as well.
mortifierftw 04.25.18	@Demon I think The Dusk in Us, AWLWLB, and Axe to Fall are the places to start getting into Converge
pjquinones747 04.25.18	The definition of metalcore is wherever you heard it first up until you realize where the genre was actually born. That's why folks like splint here are so grumpy about Converge being metalcore and, to him, sounding like shit. This is metalcore at it's root, son.
Get Low 04.25.18	The Devil Wears Prada was the first metalcore band. They're the ones who started it all.
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	Converge is just ripping off 2009 era Of Mice & Men really
SymbolicInTime 04.25.18	That was very eloquently put and fact, Steak.
pjquinones747 04.25.18	I thought that Wage War was the first metalcore band
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	Good lord Wage War is so mediocre, I'll never understand the rabid love for them
pjquinones747 04.25.18	Bands like Wage War and I Prevail are merely descendents of the original garbage metalcore bands like Asking Alexandria and We Came as Romans. Doesn't make them any less garbage.
cold 04.25.18	"Converge is just ripping off 2009 era Of Mice & Men really" Remind me again why I like you
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	Because I'm uhhhhhh cool ;]
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	Because I'm uhhhhhh cool ;] [2]
cold 04.25.18	Of Mice & Men suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	Their first two albums are bangers but everything else I'll give you
bloc 04.25.18	No one was cooler than miketunney though
JWT155 04.25.18	Burning Bridges is still one of my favorite records.
cold 04.25.18	Hey steakyboi, on a scale from XD to RAWR, how scene were you?
cold 04.25.18	now THAT'S scene 20+ points yr way, Dari
Space Jester 04.25.18	He’s still scene
splinter 04.25.18	is it bad to be scene?
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	I never had a scene phase
Deathconscious 04.25.18	Could we never ever talk about the scene fad again?
cold 04.25.18	We have to now since splint asked if it's bad to be scene.
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	scene chicks tho
Deathconscious 04.25.18	A friend of mine used to have peacock hair. Seriously.
cold 04.25.18	I wish I could say that I didn't have a mini scene phase but alas. I cannot. Thankfully there is no evidence, but I'm a truthful guy.
Deathconscious 04.25.18	Maybe you should think about becoming a liar.
splinter 04.25.18	I have a dying is my (!) latest fashion tattoo
Ashen 04.25.18	You have Keith Huckins to thank for this list. Conjecture aside, you stand only to gain by learning your history and attempting to understand why bands like Rorschach that "sound like shit" are so revered by heavy music communities.
cold 04.25.18	"Maybe you should think about becoming a liar." cue Taking Back Sunday
Casavir 04.25.18	I gave Fall of Ideals another shot. The only track that even remotely holds up anymore is The Weak Willed and even that one is middling.
bloc 04.25.18	"scene chicks tho" Good point I too had a phase. But the farthest it went was me straightening my hair in the mornings lol
cold 04.25.18	"But the farthest it went was me straightening my hair in the mornings lol" That's about my extent and my shirts got just a smidge smaller
bloc 04.25.18	Ok that too. And tighter pants.
Casavir 04.25.18	I liked Rush too much as a kid to have a scene phase.
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	I didn't have a scene phase but I did love me some skinny jeans. Still do tbh
Space Jester 04.25.18	Skinny jeans are fine tbh
splinter 04.25.18	upvote skinny jeans
Deathconscious 04.25.18	Skinnies are the only way to go, really. Just as long as theyre not fucking skin tight.
splinter 04.25.18	no no just tighter than normal jeans
SteakByrnes 04.25.18	shut up
Space Jester 04.25.18	Scene girls are a no go though, always ovedramatic and mentally unstable
Deathconscious 04.25.18	I used to be attracted to that look, im 27 now though. I still like "alternative" styles but the scene thing has not aged well.
Get Low 04.25.18	Proud former scene kid reporting in.
Get Low 04.25.18	I may or may not have had several thousand friends on Myspace.
Deathconscious 04.25.18	Heres a picture of my friend back in the day, lmao. To his credit though he did have a shit ton of very attractive girls after him constantly, it was crazy. http://imgur.com/gallery/i6KazkB
Muppelope 04.25.18	Yuuuuu-Giiii-OHHHHHH
teamster 04.26.18	Why are their 229 comments in this thread ?
splinter 04.26.18	@teamster no converge
pjquinones747 04.26.18	yea
splinter 05.01.18	after more than a week on sputnik I still like this music but I maybe wouldn't call them classic anymore..(maybe when it comes to melodic metalcore).. jane doe is still trash
Rowhaus 05.01.18	Jane Doe sounds like Elliot Rodger's manifesto
JeetJeet 05.01.18	LMFAOOO
JeetJeet 05.01.18	He's right tho Jane Doe is some garbaggio
Mentasm 05.01.18	Most of these albums aren't really that bad. Sixth of June and The Crimson were my jams back in 2009 I think? anyway, thanks for reminding me, now I'm gonna spin some of their songs m/m/
Deathconscious 05.01.18	2 is mediocre as shit, Trivium were never good, Haste the Day is mediocre, The Curse sux, and ive never heard It Dies Today but im sure they suck too. 1, 4, 5, 7, and 8 are fun listens that i come back to now and then.
Mentasm 05.01.18	Hey, thanks once again Splinter, great fucking list man.
JeetJeet 05.01.18	Whats funny is that the band that made #2 became WAY better when they became a post-hardcore band.
Deez 05.01.18	They band that made number 4 were also a FAR better hardcore/metal core band than KE
splinter 05.02.18	@Mentasm I'm not sure if you're kidding me but if you mean it srsly, you're welcome! @JeetJeet didn't even know this
Feather 05.02.18	YUCK
splinter 05.02.18	@Feather go back to your bird
Feather 05.02.18	OWWWWWW
splinter 01.15.19	I literally like just 4 albums on that list anymore thanks
splinter 01.15.19	& still don't like Converge
calmrose 01.15.19	why did you bump this?
splinter 01.15.19	why do you comment this?
calmrose 01.15.19	to ask you a question
splinter 01.15.19	I'll take your interest in me as a compliMENt
hal1ax 01.15.19
splinter 05.21.21	god is this list shit lol
parksungjoon 05.21.21	MEN
Purpl3Spartan 05.21.21	Personal tastes really do be like that and change sometimes
parksungjoon 05.21.21	yep, look at it as growth
sixdegrees 05.21.21	5 years later: Metalcore Nostalgia Digs
splinter 05.21.21	I cringe so hard on that list, thanks for opening my eyes (ears) sput
MalicexMagnum 05.21.21	Putting Trivium anywhere near this list is OOF. Also lol at that It Dies Today pick.
splinter 05.21.21	It Dies Today is probably the worst on that list, yep The Fall of Ideals is probably the only album I would still listen
Pikazilla 05.21.21	It Dies Today are lolbad, agreed
Evreaia 05.21.21	It Dies Today's best (which is NOT on this list) is literally the best of all these bands. That should tell you something about how bad this list is.
splinter 05.21.21	Atreyu invented metalcore
Evreaia 05.21.21	And more dumb shit Alex says at 5