Rowan5215: bojack season four

Rowan5215 09.08.17	hey
verdant 09.08.17	dude why didn't you put sextina's latest record on this list
Rowan5215 09.08.17	she really went downhill after Get That Fetus Kill That Fetus tbh, her old music was about real stuff
verdant 09.08.17	in all seriousness i'm so ready to watch it all in one day, and then watch it again the next day, and then watch it once more the day after that, and then-
Rowan5215 09.08.17	just bout to start, hope this thread's poppin when I get back servers be damned
verdant 09.08.17	i'll help get it off the ground EVERYBODY RALLY AROUND S4 IT WILL DEVASTATE YOU EMOTIONALLY BUT LIKE IN A GOOD WAY
ExecutiveExecuterexe 09.08.17	I NEED to catch up I'm only on s2 ep4
verdant 09.08.17	i'd say you're in for a treat, but treats don't force you to evaluate your life through tears
BigPleb 09.08.17	The silent episode in the underwater city is still one of the best pieces of TV I've ever seen.
ZombieToyDuck 09.08.17	SEASON 4! WHAT UP!? I love this god damn depressing yet funny show. I gotta watch this for sure
ZombieToyDuck 09.08.17	and wait when was The National on here? Haven't gotten through their discog yet..
Rowan5215 09.08.17	the national haven't been on the show yet that's what I'm complaining about Stupid Piece of Shit is an incredible episode btw
ZombieToyDuck 09.08.17	oh aight haha
artiswar 09.08.17	great, now my next 2 days will be spent in bed watching this, thanks a lot Bojack.
Slex 09.08.17	Started watching at 3 in the morning lol, I'm on the 5th episode
AlexKzillion 09.08.17	Death Grips was in the show one time
BeyondCosby 09.08.17	I'm really hoping that this season breaks the cycle for BoJack, but if it does then I don't really know how the show goes on. It seemed pretty clear that, at the end of last season, something had to change. He was literally at the rock bottom. I don't know if I can stomach watching it get much worse than that. But, if he improves, then the show has no reason to continue on. Any rumors that this is the last season?
theacademy 09.08.17	oh man courtney portnoy
Flugmorph 09.08.17	watched the first 2 episodes now first one was mediocre second one was great
AlexKzillion 09.08.17	Wait hold up Season 4 is out???????? Oh shit
Flugmorph 09.08.17	lol
theacademy 09.08.17	yes second one was better than the first (because it was darker) (gofigure haha)
hesperus 09.08.17	i just finished ep2 and it's already getting into some heavy shit. this bodes well for my emotional health
theacademy 09.08.17	wait until you get to the gun episode rofl
Trebor. 09.08.17	I am very excited
hesperus 09.08.17	yeah i saw in the episode descriptions that there was a mass shooting ep and i immediately went 'oh dear,' but like in a good way
Flugmorph 09.08.17	FRAG ME MISTER PEANUT BUTTER! FRAG ME!!!
wtferrothorn 09.08.17	damn, I haven't even watched season 3 yet. Gonna marathon that before the going through the new one. This weekend is gonna be a sad one, folks :(
Winesburgohio 09.08.17	i don't want to watch it but i know i need to watch it i have a bottle of cheap whiskey to get me through see you on the other sides blottoboys
Flugmorph 09.08.17	hah atheopean bread
Ryus 09.08.17	havent watched any but cant wait
artiswar 09.08.17	Between the silent episode and the drug episode, S3 was one of the best seasons of anything I've ever seen. I don't know how S4 can top it but I'm optimistic.
Flugmorph 09.08.17	spoiler warning: dont get your hopes up
Ocean of Noise 09.08.17	I really need to watch this show tbh
Ryus 09.08.17	you do
Ryus 09.08.17	second episode was terrific.
Rowan5215 09.09.17	episode 2 and 6 have been series highlights for me so far, rest has been okay to really great except the first ep which was a bit sucky tbh. will finish tonight
artiswar 09.09.17	hyping me up
Ryus 09.09.17	episode 1 was a little too absurd and light-hearted for me, but maybe that's just because i was expecting to be emotionally devastated
Rowan5215 09.09.17	they definitely ramp up the feels quickly this season but yeah most of the ski jokes didn't land for me
BigPleb 09.09.17	If Bojack and Diane don't get together this season ima be pisd. On Ep 3 now, 1 was lacklustre but 2 was really good.
wwf 09.09.17	just watched the whole season, loved every episode, don't get what you guys are talking about absolutely gorgeous season and completely on par with s2 and s3
artiswar 09.09.17	Just watched the first episode and thought it was awesome. It was perfect to not even show Bojack and focus on the whimsical side of the show right out of the gate. Nevertheless, I'm now ready to plumb the depths of human (and horse) misery. Was I the only one waiting for a bear to start chasing Mr. Peanutbutter during the ski race?
wwf 09.09.17	there's at least five episodes that are all just fantastic btw. Hard to tell where they rank overall in the series but they really stuck out to me as really beautifully written episodes also the f bomb this season did not disappoint
wwf 09.09.17	looking at the episode list, I think 2, 5, 6, 7, and 11 were my favorites this season but it seemed maybe more consistent than any previous season
artiswar 09.09.17	Thanks, I'll have to emotionally prepare myself for those... Just finished episode 2. Holy fuck that was heartbreaking.
artiswar 09.09.17	Episode 3 was such an amazing Todd episode. His eps are always my favourite. Very curious where this whole asexual thing is going.
Danred97 09.09.17	I didn't even realize season 4 was out. Well, I know how I'm gonna spend my Saturday.
Maco097 09.09.17	Finally the new season.
hesperus 09.09.17	"If Bojack and Diane don't get together this season ima be pisd." what kind of heartless monster are you
zaruyache 09.09.17	so hyped, gonna start it soon tonight.
artiswar 09.09.17	if Diane and Bojack ever got together that would be the show jumping the shark. And dang that inner-monologue episode hit close to home. ...Also the casual bestiality never stops being uncomfortable.
VaxXi 09.09.17	I feel like wanting BoJack and Diane to end up as a couple is missing the point entirely, but idk
VaxXi 09.09.17	also: s4 > s2 > s3 > s1
wwf 09.09.17	Id say s3 = s4 > s2 >>>>> s1 You all should finish the season so we can start talking about it endlessly
artiswar 09.09.17	I'm almost there! 4 more eps to go. For me it's hard to pick between S2 and 3, they're both masterpieces. Season 1 is amazing but a bit shaky in in the beginning as the show tries to find its voice. Not sure where this season ranks for me so far but probably towards the bottom. I really want an Erika backstory episode at some point.
VaxXi 09.09.17	Yo what happened to Wanda though?
artiswar 09.09.17	they broke up and she moved to Detroit or something
wwf 09.09.17	she got poached... by another agency! they shot her... straight to the top of the corporate ladder! ...she had to move... to Detroit!! which I heard is due for a resurgence I just watched that episode the day before s4 was released
TheSonomaDude 09.09.17	been jammin hard boys
VaxXi 09.09.17	I guess I should've asked why she never crossed bojacks mind. Especially in "Piece of Shit".
GreyShadow 09.09.17	2, 7, and 11 were outstanding. great season as usual.
Groundking 09.09.17	Just finished episode 5, they've really smashed this season out of the park so far
RadicalEd 09.09.17	11th episode is genuinely one of the best TV-episodes I've ever seen.
Slex 09.09.17	Finished last night, tremendous season, and more emotionally potent than ever before. Better than S3, at least on par with 2
Flugmorph 09.09.17	omfg that little real cat section in ep 9 was marvellous
Rowan5215 09.09.17	finished this just now. tbh episode for episode this was very strong in terms of concept but a little weaker as an overall story than in previous years - they sort of got bored with the Mr Peanutbutter as governor storyline halfway through and it really shows, while half the episodes have Hollyhock as an essential part and then the other half she's just not even there and its jarring and inconsistent having said that episodes 2, 6 and 11 were masterpieces
Flugmorph 09.09.17	rip princess caroline
theacademy 09.09.17	agree 2, 6, 11 strongest episodes the season was excellent!!
theacademy 09.09.17	wendy malick is so fucking good as beatrice i hope she gets an emmy
theacademy 09.09.17	also the courtney portnoy puns throughout were so A+ and amy sedaris fucking tremendous
VaxXi 09.09.17	Whenever I hear wendy malick speak, i can only think of Beautiful Gorgeous from Jimmy Neutron.
Rowan5215 09.09.17	can't help but feel they overdid the wordplay rhyming puns this time around, I liked it when there was just one or two a seasons as opposed to pretty much every episode, but whatever amy sedaris' best season by a fucking landslide for sure, makes up for Todd's stuff largely being mediocre
Flugmorph 09.09.17	episode 10 hit pretty hard already, i dont even wanna know whats 11 gonna be like
Ryus 09.09.17	just finished episode 6....... jeeeez........
Flugmorph 09.09.17	i liked the last episode very much
Flugmorph 09.09.17	bojack realising that he has a sister now was a great sendoff
GreyShadow 09.09.17	I'm glad he ended with a smile. especially when compared to last season
Toad 09.09.17	i was super excited but the whole of s4 came off to me as an average sitcom with overambitious sub-plots and sentimental, predictable drama...oof
Deathconscious 09.09.17	Only watched the first episode so far. Zero laughs.
Deathconscious 09.09.17	"i was super excited but the whole of s4 came off to me as an average sitcom with overambitious sub-plots and sentimental, predictable drama" thats the whole show. They want to be that show with the heavy drinking depressed character that gives you the feels but it just comes off as contrived. And the humor is average sitcom humor. Its just an average sitcom dressed up as something more profound. Also, how am i supposed to feel bad or root for a character who is so annoying and unlikable.
wwf 09.09.17	I have literally no idea what part of the show one could call predictable
theacademy 09.09.17	"Also, how am i supposed to feel bad or root for a character who is so annoying and unlikable." user "AdolfChrist"
Deathconscious 09.09.17	AKA Nicholas von nuclearrape
Ryus 09.09.17	"Only watched the first episode so far. Zero laughs." of season 1? then of course you dont like it "Also, how am i supposed to feel bad or root for a character who is so annoying and unlikable." i neither feel bad nor root for bojack most of the time. i still enjoy the show
Deathconscious 09.09.17	Of this season. And if a character is going to be unlikable they should still be interesting to watch. Bojack is not. Hes a stock narcissistic idiot type.
Ryus 09.09.17	have you seen any of the other seasons?
Deathconscious 09.09.17	All except 4. And before anyone asks, i continue watching because i watched the first 3 being told it gets better as it goes. So now unfortunately im a little curious to see what happens.
VaxXi 09.09.17	It gets better as it goes on after five episodes, not after every damn season. Shits on you, man.
Deathconscious 09.09.17	Not what i heard.
Flugmorph 09.09.17	i like bojack, he's relatable
TheCharmingMan 09.09.17	Just binged it all today and realized that I became Diane this summer
TheCharmingMan 09.09.17	I would recommend even skipping the first 4 episodes of season 1 if they're unbearable for u
Toad 09.09.17	"I have literally no idea what part of the show one could call predictable" Hmm, you may be right. I just found myself consistently disappointed with the show's heavy-handed, dramatic-music + 'profound quote about human suffering' trick it keeps playing. Thought Diane's 'tired of squinting' line was a straight-up cringe, as well as explaining away all of bea's nastiness through a familiar, simple backstory. if this season was supposed to be about beatrice, couldn't they have devoted more time to developing her character beyond 'suppressed childhood -> bad marriage mother' archetype? it just seems like a wildly unfocused character study at this point with too much on its mind and a slipping grip on humor. or maybe i've just become tired with the show itself and its doing the same thing it always has.
Flugmorph 09.09.17	bea's nastiness didnt get explained away. it was just shown where she came from.
theacademy 09.09.17	if youre hung up on her backstory then youre missing the point dude...
theacademy 09.09.17	its contextual only, she doesnt have (or need) an arc
hesperus 09.09.17	just finished the season, and while there were some fantastic high points (2, 6, 9, 11), there were enough weaknesses that i can't say it was as good as s3 or even s2. i was especially disappointed with how they handled diane and mr. peanutbutter's relationship. i'd be down with their relationship not working out in the end ("i'm so tired of squinting" is a great heartbreaking line), but it just seemed like the show turned them into a completely different couple in order to get there.
wwf 09.09.17	I thought Diane and Mr. PB were totally in character and were one of the best parts of the show, like always
Deathconscious 09.09.17	Diane has the least personality of everyone in the show.
hesperus 09.09.17	i think it was the last scene of the fracking episode that really threw me off. i already hate the whole angry-couple-fights-and-then-starts-making-out/fucking trope, but i admit it can work with the right characters and the right setup. with diane and mr. peanutbutter, it wasn't funny or erotic, it was just cruel and uncomfortable
wwf 09.09.17	I believed it. Diane was fucking with the one thing that's important to him and its the thing she cares most about as well, for different reasons
hesperus 09.09.17	and that's part of what i didn't get. i could guess that he wanted to be governor because he likes to be liked by everyone, but the show never established that it was as important to him as HSACWDTKDTKTLFO was. and later, they pretty much confirm that it wasn't. but even so, Diane's "drop out or i'll publish this article about how shitty you are" ultimatum was unusually mean-spirited for her. so for me, it was two great characters doing shitty things to each other for reasons i couldn't grasp
Deathconscious 09.09.17	Diane doesnt seem compatible with these more out-there characters at all. Seems forced as fuck.
Toad 09.09.17	"its contextual only, she doesnt have (or need) an arc" It's not that I think she needs to be a dynamic character (most of the characters in the show aren't) but it doesn't make sense to have her be a flat, walking cliche and place her narrative in the episode slot which has become the show's emotional gut punch calling card Also, the quirky/non-LA locations this season just don't seem nearly as tangible and intriguing as the have in the past (fantasy Maine, New Mexico, Labrador Peninsula, the underwater city) Also found the clown dentistry thing annoying and non-humorous. Probably the least funny thing that's ever happened in the Todd vicinity
Flugmorph 09.09.17	u just hate on clows man but srsly yeah they were pretty annoying i liked the zombie dentist clowns tho.
wwf 09.09.17	honestly Todd's season-long shenanigans are rarely particularly funny to me even though they get some good laughs sometimes '"drop out or i'll publish this article about how shitty you are" ultimatum was unusually mean-spirited for her.' he was placing himself in front of societal progress in Diane's eyes, which is literally the most important thing to her. she's had to choose between Mr. PB and her own integrity before and she made the exact same decision then too
wwf 09.09.17	it's also worth mentioning that Diane isn't a particularly great person, she's often selfish and self-destructive and self-important and all those other self- words she's probably the most considerate character of the show, but she's not above being shitty
mryrtmrnfoxxxy 09.09.17	not reading any of this yet because im only a few episodes in but holy shit that second episode
mryrtmrnfoxxxy 09.09.17	i wanted to laugh and cry simultaneously what the fuck was that
artiswar 09.10.17	yeah the end of that episode was a big knife to the prefrontal cortex... Damn, I missed like 50 posts on this thread while in my post-Bojack coma.
wwf 09.10.17	Why, I have half a mind
Rowan5215 09.10.17	damn Toad what part of episode 11 was either familiar or simple in literally any way
Toad 09.10.17	Well we got like no more information about Bea's marriage that we didn't have from earlier scenes: bojack is a mistake, his father is alcoholic and a frustrated author, and the frustrations of the family are taken out on him. So all of that is familiar yet we get more time on it without seemingly any purpose. The rest of the information we have is pretty much presented already in ep 2. So Ep 11 is like a stylzed rehash that handles memory and trauma but the way it does so is far less effective than either ep 11 of seasons 1 or 3, and certainly less engaging than the meditation offered on dementia/memory loss in film on the topic like It's such. Beautiful day or endless sunshine. So I guess it just felt familiar, kinda pointless plotwise, and stylistically inferior to me. Beautiful animation though, I'll give it that
wwf 09.10.17	There was new stuff right Like the henrietta reveal
Toad 09.10.17	Yeah, that's true. I never really felt invested in hollyhocks character I guess, which might be why I didn't find this season very emotionally impactful. Not really invested in any of the characters any more it seems like. I miss the original drama arcs with PC and bojack, Diane and bojack, etc where the past and present were always at war. Now we're left with peanut butter and Diane whose relationship was much more interesting during s2 + 3. The belle-room scene feels like a weaker version of the much more devastating "I'm not happy" next to the jello pool in s2. Idk, I don't know why this season didn't work for me bc everyone else seems to love it
Danred97 09.10.17	Dear lord episodes 2, 6, and 11 were fucking brutal. I do think S3 was better, but this season was still really great. I also really liked it ending with bojack smiling. After all the shit that has happened, it was nice to see it ending on a somewhat happy note.
wwf 09.10.17	@Toad: the cordovia plot in general is sort of my favorite thing ever so yeah I agree the Diane stuff in this season wasn't quite that level but it was still good
Toad 09.10.17	Yeah I think the season is objectively pretty strong. My personal connection just seems weaker
Rowan5215 09.10.17	I think you can say pretty objectively this is the most creative season in terms of animation - the stuff during Bojack's self-loathing inner monologue was especially powerful and episodes 2 and 11 have a beauty to them that really makes them something else. as far as writing, it just doesn't hang together as well as it should - the Hollyhock and Princess Carolyn subplots I both loved, but the way episodes alternated between them started to feel choppy and weird, whereas the Todd and Mr Peanutbutter stuff honestly got pretty sloppy and lazy towards the end - I remember getting to the last episode thinking what about Emily? why is the show forcing Todd and this random new girl into a thing? where was the payoff for the clown dentist joke? why did the show spend so much time setting up the governor race and then just wave it all away in episode 10 with no effort? etc. etc. it's a shame because the individual moments are perhaps the finest the show's ever done, but the overall effect isn't quite there 2 > 3 > 4 > 1 tbh
Ryus 09.10.17	the end of episode 9 was brilliant. i was wondering why the fuck they would go with such a stupid plotline at first with the "future descendent" thing but they actually managed to surprise me there also yeah todd's clown thing was not entertaining. worst season for todd definitely
Ryus 09.10.17	agreed rowan, the writing felt super uneven. at certain points it was extremely clever, but in terms of actual plot it seems like they made the wrong decision with a bunch of characters here, besides bojack/hollyhock/princess carolyn
Ryus 09.10.17	this was maybe princess carolyn's best season though
Rowan5215 09.10.17	absolutely one hundred percent PC's best season overall, I thought they would never top Best Thing That Ever Happened but goddamn did they top it it's a shame, they were in a position to go somewhere really powerful with the asexual storyline but they just really did not go anywhere with it. ah well
Ryus 09.10.17	yeah todd was useless for much of this season unfortunately
Snake. 09.10.17	trying to get into this show should i skip season 1 or nah
Ryus 09.10.17	dont skip it
Deathconscious 09.10.17	skip the show, dont get invested.
mryrtmrnfoxxxy 09.10.17	damn that ruled
verdant 09.10.17	just finished and there's no dip in quality for me
wwf 09.10.17	They dont get much emotion out of todd in general, besides season 3. But anyway dont skip all of season 1, the last half is amazing. First few episodes you prob can skip tho
wwf 09.10.17	Anyway they didn't really need to explore Todd deeply in this season. He'll still be asexual next season
Rowan5215 09.10.17	I wasn't really looking for Todd to randomly become the emotional centre of the show or anything. I just wanted him to have a better storyline that didn't revolve around one joke (clown dentists lol he thinks its funny but its scary get it?) being re-iterated like 10 times. also, as an ace myself, it would have been nice to get at least some material about how it affects a person's life tbh
wwf 09.10.17	Cool, fair enough. And to be fair, Todd's business ventures didnt even sort of have the payoff they did last year But Im sure the show won't forget about him being asexual, it'll definitely inform his character a bit going on. Just like the happy ending of this season likely won't result in a total upswing in Bojack's quality of life
zaruyache 09.10.17	just finished Ep 11 and I'm a wreck. why does this talk horse cartoon do this to me
verdant 09.10.17	yeah this show is fucking incredible and it's promising that RBW has already stated that they've had enough of the whole 'bojack-fucks-up-then-begs-for-forgiveness' type deal. it's exciting to see where the show will take his character, with that in mind. also i feel like that last scene was the perfect counterpoint to S3's final sequence; equally as profound and emotional, but for opposite reasons (depressed and lonely bojack vs hopeful bojack who realises there are people around him that are willing to help him get better).
zaruyache 09.10.17	The Tod-centric episodes I thought weren't enjoyable but Bojack's story was great. It's like all the jokey storylines are just trolls so the deeper eps hit harder.
matbla00 09.10.17	Well, I did not know that bojack has good soundtrack (seen 3eps), but the very show is rather poor and definitely overhyped.
Ryus 09.10.17	if you've only seen the first three episodes of the first season, then yeah you're not gonna enjoy the show so much. it realllyyy picks up and changes tone
zaruyache 09.10.17	First season was eh. 2-4 were great.
GhettoHmbrglr 09.10.17	the episode where you could hear bojack's inner monologue was a little 2real4me
Rowan5215 09.10.17	The Old Sugarman Place honestly might be the best episode of this show
Toad 09.10.17	Still think season 1 ep 11 is the best thing the show has ever done
wwf 09.10.17	season 1 ep 11 is sort of the best thing ever yea
Toad 09.10.17	I think the show, since then, has kept increasing in ambition and a larger scope. If they dial it back next season, I think I'll like this one more.
Papa Universe 09.10.17	Finally got to it, watching episode 3 right now. Can probably join the discussion now.
theacademy 09.10.17	i bought the soundtrack album lol
Papa Universe 09.10.17	Aight, so Todd Episode is about the best thing ever...
tigersbrokefree 09.10.17	I'm more horse than a man. Or I'm more man than a horse.
Toad 09.10.17	Am I a man? Or am I a muppet?
VaxXi 09.10.17	This season has been the most dialed back the shows been since s1
butcherboy 09.10.17	just started watching.. episode 2 was honestly fucking phenomenal!
Rowan5215 09.11.17	right butch? the feeling I got when the duet across time lines started happening was honestly unlike anything else from this show - I pretty much assume I'll be tearing up from sadness at some point during a season, but that moment was so lyrical and beautiful in a completely different way
zaruyache 09.11.17	oh you will
butcherboy 09.11.17	the duet was perfection.. episode was better constructed than most dramatic films..
Rowan5215 09.11.17	I've already seen it all zaru, all I'm saying is I was fully expecting to get the feels going on but I was not expecting to be hit with a moment like that... idk how to explain it, the only thing that's even close from this show is the moment where the neon balloon floats past Charlotte and leads her onto the boat in Escape from LA. just that untouchable feeling that you're watching something truly poetic and wonderful despite all the dark shit surrounding it. dunno how better to say it
Mister Twister 09.12.17	what's with this show and episode 11s being fucking devastating anyways, season 4 brought about that same familiar feeling of everybody sucks that I've come to love the show for, so I can't complain
VaxXi 09.12.17	Episode 11 in season 1 and episode 11 in season 4 were written by the same writer - her name is Kate Purdy and she seems to have a thing for super heavy visual storytelling + introspective time skipping to tell a sad story. It works.
Rowan5215 09.12.17	she also gave us "Best Thing That Ever Happened" which was easily the season 3 highlight for me. definitely the show's best writer with Joe Lawson (Escape from LA and Stop the Presses) a close second
Rowan5215 09.12.17	episode ratings now that I've given it two full watches: See Mr Peanutbutter Run 6/10 - grew on me on a second watch, it's a fun episode well-defined by the absence of Bojack, but season openers are not this show's strong suit The Old Sugarman Place 10/10 - best episode of the entire show Todd Episode 7/10 - always good to give Aaron Paul more to do, but the pacing is way too quick for this to fully work to me (the Channing Tatum bit is spectacular tho) Commence Fracking 5/10 - the Hollyhock stuff is great, the ending sex scene is just embarrassing to watch really Thoughts and Prayers 8/10 - very fun episode, feels like a less full-on Brrap Brrap Pew Pew but still enjoy it a lot Stupid Piece of Shit 9/10 - some of Will Arnett's best work on the whole show here Underground 3/10 - skipped this on rewatch and will continue to do so The Judge 6/10 - the booty judging stuff is pretty funny, but the governor storyline completely runs out of whatever steam it had here Ruthie 9/10 - would be a perfect 10 except How I Met Your Mother did the exact same twist so I saw it coming from the start. Amy Sedaris is fantastic cali lifestyle 8/10 - the structure of this episode is just cruel beginning with that opening. solid stuff but it's the only time I've wanted Todd to just completely fuck off because the clown dentist storyline is complete dead air and the rest is so good Time's Arrow 10/10 - if the animation team or Purdy don't win an award for this I will fucking puke What Time Is It 8/10 - RBW is never gonna be the best writer on his own show, that's often how it goes, but the jokes land and the final few minutes are powerful, much the same as the S3 closer really inconsistent season but damn the good stuff is good
kris. 09.12.17	i completely forgot about the himym episode and tbh still don't remember it so i didn't see the ruthie twist coming at all and it just fuuucked me up. princess carolyn : (
Rowan5215 09.12.17	it was called symphony of illumination in season 7, genuinely a great episode worth a rewatch. wish I could've gone into ruthie with fresh eyes but alas, still a goddamn great ep
kris. 09.12.17	i need to rewatch himym. i loved it up until that last season. the ending turned me off the show so much i haven't seen a single episode since.
Rowan5215 09.12.17	last two seasons were pretty much trash and it hasn't aged all that well, but still a good show with the occasional amazing moment "no laugh for Josh Radnor? how quickly we forget"
Maco097 09.13.17	Great season
CugnoBrasso 09.13.17	Outstanding season. I loved the first episode, but I love Peanutbutter so I might be the wrong person do judge. Episode 9 and all of the subplot with Princess Caroline had me in tears, I hope Ralph comes back at some point, and I liked Judah. I'm also glad that trying to do the right thing had some positive results for Bojack, this show is shaping up to be my favorite cartoon series ever!
kris. 09.14.17	yeah, i'm really hoping judah makes a return only because i have a weirdly deep love for diedrich bader.
RadicalEd 09.14.17	The 4th seasons suffers a bit from the fact that Bojack has pushed the other main Characters out of his life so much. I feel like Princess Caroline's story is easily strong enough to justify it's running time (also she at least has somewhat of a meaningful relation to Bojack still) but Diane/Mr. Peanutbutter and Todd basically have nothing to do with Bojack most of the time and therfore needed more independet story lines. And especially the Mr. Peanutbutter runs for governor storyline and the Todd Clown-Dentist storyline just kinda start nowhere, go nowhere and except for a few laughs don't even really entertain. All the stuff that really focused on Bojack was as good, if not better than anything in the Seasons 1-3.
Toad 09.15.17	ready for a rewatch with a bottle of plantation. it better be better this time bros
Toad 09.15.17	they missed a force majeure joke opportunity in ep 1 :(
artiswar 09.15.17	This season was weaker than the others for me but not because the writing was worse but because where the characters are in their lives and in relation to each other. As RadicalEd said, many plot lines feel isolated and a bit meaningless. Still going to rewatch the season soon because its still fucking brilliant. At first I thought episode 2 was a little overhyped but now I think I'm coming around to it being the best episode of the season.
Toad 09.15.17	i'd agree. the most intriguing relationships - PC & bojack, charlotte & bojack, todd & bojack - are sidelined. the show is left much weaker without them.
artiswar 09.15.17	I feel like having Todd and Bojack separated for a whole season was very necessary though. Same goes with PC really. As for Charlotte, that arc is done (for now). It all felt very organic but yeah, a lot of the relationship pazazz was missing.
Toad 09.15.17	the show certainly set itself up for a difficult season by cutting off toxic relationships, but i just don't think it was compensated for by other elements/storylines. so pretty much in agreement with your sentiments
ArsMoriendi 09.15.17	I don't know, the development of Bea was amazing, also that twist ending was pulled off well. It was interesting to see PC's relationship with Todd honestly
artiswar 09.15.17	I do think almost the entire Bojack storyline (isolated though it was) was fucking brilliant. Also the PC storyline actually benefitted from the isolation. I hate it when she jumps back into bed with Bojack --literally and figuratively-- despite him taking her for granted all the time.
VaxXi 09.15.17	The BoJack and PC storylines were pretty connected thematically, which I liked. Yeah, its unfortunate that some other character storylines fell a bit to the wayside, but this season didn't feel as crowded/rushed like season 3 just because there was really only two stories being focused on.
theacademy 09.15.17	man its so good im rewatching
theacademy 09.15.17	no offense to the trolls in this thread but stupid piece of shit is better than both the beatrice episodes
deadcrown 09.15.17	anyone else binge watch the new season way too fast? Im rewatching and on season 1 again
artiswar 09.15.17	I spent that Saturday night in bed with a bottle of wine and blasted through the season in like 4 hours after a crazy work week. I rushed it big time but damn was it not satisfying.
VaxXi 09.15.17	i dunno how anyone can pace themselves with this show
deathschool 09.15.17	Just finished. It was pretty great. I think they get better every season. Juuust by a bit. Made me cry twice. Ye.
artiswar 09.15.17	Oh man, which parts made you cry? I didn't reach that point this season but the end of ep 2 and that Bea episode towards the end of the season certainly gave it a good try.
deathschool 09.15.17	The part where Hollyhock asks Bojack if the shitty voices in your head are something you grow out of, and then the last scene of the season, their ending conversation. Just a few tears, but both parts just took me super fucking off guard and hit me like a truck for some reason.
artiswar 09.15.17	yeah the voices part was both amazing and upsetting
deathschool 09.15.17	It's just amazing how well it's framed to where in that moment, you relate to both of those characters, and they relate to each other, but in a way that they aren't even allowed to understand, and it's also a subject that most television shows seem to want to shy away from, but in that moment you're like "why the fuck don't people talk about this more? It's obviously common as shit." But at the same time you're also like: Wait, fuck. They are going to avoid it too. You just get this tiny moment, and then it's gone.
VaxXi 09.15.17	Kinda like the matches she was burning huh
ZippaThaRippa 09.15.17	Last line of the season made me cry Good tears, for once
Rowan5215 09.15.17	agreed lovely to end on a happy note for once the duet in episode 2 made me weep like a fucking child tbh
artiswar 09.15.17	@deathschool That part gave me major Evangelion vibes.
kris. 09.15.17	stupid piece of shit is so spot-on in its depiction of what depression sounds like in someone's head. hurt to watch.
theacademy 09.15.17	god it is so good
alienobserver 09.15.17	The silent episode in the underwater city is still one of the best pieces of TV I've ever seen.[2]
BlackwaterPork 09.15.17	This season was incredibly depressing
MrSirLordGentleman 09.15.17	srsly Diane was a bitch with that Bella's Library scene
BlackwaterPork 09.15.17	Ikr, Mr Peanutbutter did something nice for her, and then she signaled a divorce. Nice gal
kris. 09.15.17	i get where you're coming from but grand gestures like that can't fix an already broken relationship.
BlackwaterPork 09.15.17	True, they were constantly arguing
RadicalEd 09.15.17	Also she hates big gestures, this is like one of the first thing we (and Mr. Peanutbutter) learn about her in the first season and Mr. Peanutbutter just kinda repeats all the same mistakes over and over again.
DinosaurJones 09.15.17	I haven't watched this show. Reading through this thread is telling me that it might fuck me up. So I'll definitely check it out.
kris. 09.15.17	the first half of season 1 is kinda bland sitcomy stuff but it takes a VERY serious turn in quality in the back half.
MrSirLordGentleman 09.15.17	Yeah, criticts bashed the show on its debut cause they only judged its first half Many critics then had to apology after they watched the whole season
GhettoHmbrglr 09.16.17	"has anyone seen my prius? it's a silver prius..."
wwf 09.18.17	not going to lie, rewatching the series, I reallyyyyyyyyy miss Sarah Lynn :/ I think I'm traumatized
MrSirLordGentleman 09.18.17	"I reallyyyyyyyyy miss Sarah Lynn" Thoughts and prayers
kris. 09.18.17	bring back vincent adultman
alienobserver 10.05.17	Last line of the season made me cry[2] only moment in this show that made me actually cry but the sarah lynn scene in the observatory came real close
DinosaurJones 10.05.17	♪ And I just might... I'll take flight... Maybe tomorrow, not tonight ♪
theNateman 11.05.17	Nah, this season really made me hate Diane. Like I get she doesn’t like big gestures but still, Mr. PB is so desperate to be with her that he can’t help himself. That’s who he is. Also Judah is such a good guy he didn’t have to get fired
AlexKzillion 11.08.17	After two months I finally finished season 4... Think I need to rewatch cause I don't even remember half of the episodes but I'd say 2>3>4>1 in terms of season rankings. stupid piece of shit best episode of the season fo sho Unpopular opinion but I was never a huge fan of the diane/pb marriage because I found diane's attraction to him kinda forced so I'm sorta kinda glad it ended Was also glad to finally see bojack somewhat happy, gave me a huge grin
artiswar 12.14.18	Was just rewatching Stupid Piece Of Shit and some stuff actually hit me way harder this time around. Namely, Beatrice caring for the doll. She had to get DEMENTIA to realize that things would have been better if she had shown Bojack love. And of course, the way he tortures and humiliates her in response is super fucked up, but when you take in that she's experiencing a profound breakthrough in her own mind even while she's losing her mind like her mother... I just found that scene even more hard-hitting and a brilliant prelude to Time's Arrow. And of course that last chilling scene with Bojack and Hollyhock to round it out. Fucking hell, that episode is a masterpiece.
DinosaurJones 12.14.18	Free Churro (S5) is one of the best episodes of anything ever.
zaruyache 12.14.18	both of those episodes were great. Final scene of S4 was a punch in the heart.