wham49: who invented punk?

wham49 12.13.16	I am for Detroit, the stooges Mc5, and Death all released before (75) are so influential and early that I think it is the Motor city
Snake. 12.13.16	simple plan
TwigTW 12.13.16	Detroit --> London --> NY
TheTripP 12.13.16	bowling for soup
guitarded_chuck 12.13.16	the stooges were probably the first to evolve psych rock to something rawer that would fit the punk tag
Deez 12.13.16	Avril Lavigne
Artuma 12.13.16	detroit yeah
wham49 12.13.16	by the way if you haven't checked the Death album check it; 23 minutes of absolute genius, recorded in 75
Sinternet 12.13.16	i did
Joeman82 12.13.16	Good Charlotte
zakalwe 12.13.16	London is 'punk' everything else is pure rock n roll and all the bettter for it. The only UK challenger to the US 'rock' wise is Birmingham.
Frippertronics 12.13.16	stooges/mc5/suicide and the like
StallionMang 12.13.16	ill go ny cuz velvets, ramones & cbgbs
guitarded_chuck 12.13.16	@z dead kennedys? ramones? minor threat? misfits? black flag? bad religion?
zakalwe 12.13.16	The main factor in that one chuck dude is the ramones. They really were the influence for what came after but if you're looking for a movement it's Pistols, Clash, The Damned, and the trillions that followed. New York Dolls were probabaly even a bigger influence tbh.
zakalwe 12.13.16	And when it comes to 'Punk' this really is the thing. It's just a 'brand' the UK had 'movements' that were forever labelled. The 'punk' attitude was in London in the late 60s early 70s with the skinheads who cut their hair short in a rebellion to what was happening while listening to ska (proper fucking ska) and it all just evolved naturally from that and the cess pool that was 70s London. People subjugate it and label it and bastardise it. The yanks are fucking spectacular at that.
guitarded_chuck 12.13.16	i see what youre saying z wish i could take a time machine back to 70s london, would be wild
Risodo 12.13.16	Nickelback
wham49 12.13.16	The movement yes probably London, but the influence of the movement I am looking at, they all loved the stooges and MC5 and were musically influential to the early London punk MUSIC
worthlessscab 12.13.16	Chuck Berry
ArsMoriendi 12.13.16	Not the fucking Sex Pistols, that all I know Probably some guy we've never heard from New York in the mid 70s, unless you wanna argue that protopunk is punk
wham49 12.13.16	and I would say that Death was the earliest true sounding punk band 73-74 with their single Politicians in their eys, with all the elements. I actually read a book entitled London's Burning: on the front lines of the punk movement where he cited Patti Smith performing in London around 74 as the start of the movement in London, anybody else heard that.
ArsMoriendi 12.13.16	Patti Smith works, her, the No New York bands and others from that scene likely
wham49 12.13.16	actually ARS I am arguing that it was the late 60's early 70's hard rock movement in Detroit, not the spiked hair, but the attitude, politically charged lyrics and F you attitude of those bands
budgie 12.13.16	r a m o n e s
wham49 12.13.16	well they had the first LP of completely identifiable punk
ArsMoriendi 12.13.16	"not the spiked hair" This doesn't describe Patti Smith or no wave bands at all
altertide0 12.13.16	t h e v e l v e t u n d e r g r o u n d
Tunaboy45 12.13.16	blink 182?
onionbubs 12.13.16	Nah fall out boy
guitarded_chuck 12.13.16	a e s t h e t i c a s f u c k
budgie 12.13.16	@wham thats my own understanding of the question ofc the culture predates them
ZippaThaRippa 12.13.16	Snake already did that joke like 20 comments ago
ArsMoriendi 12.13.16	" he cited Patti Smith performing in London around 74 as the start of the movement in London" You do realize that while Smith may have preformed in London that she's a New Yorker and from the NY scene?
wham49 12.13.16	yes ARS I realizee that, was just making a case for all, this author, a famous Rock critic lived in London during this time, his name escapes me, and I would say the culture was not that much ahead of the sound, actually my main argument is that the sound way outdates the fashion and culture of London, sound: Detroit attitude: NY fashion/lifestyle: London the inclusion of VU always escapes me, not sure how they fit in, not the sound somewhat the attitude, I know Lou is looked at as the original punk, but I am not so sure also, maybe the hippies were the original punks, or at least an inspiration for the kind of defiant group against all the norms of a culture that is were the 13th floor elevators and other garage rock come in
ArsMoriendi 12.13.16	I guess that works, though it makes London look the least important
Snake. 12.13.16	nvm
wham49 12.13.16	well if it makes you feel better ARS, i would say London has the bulk of the great punk bands, and generally people think of London when they think of punk, for the most part, they also have the best metal bands and 60's psych and pop bands, and the best new wave,, and their own NWOBHM so they can come in last in one historic music movement.
ArsMoriendi 12.13.16	You keep calling me ARS, so should I call you WHAM?
wham49 12.13.16	ya that is fine, what SHOULD I call you? I did it as a quick way yo refer to you
ArsMoriendi 12.13.16	You can call me ARS instead of Ars, but just know that I'll be referring to you as WHAM instead of Wham if you do so
wham49 12.13.16	ok, maybe we should go with A.R.S, and W.H.A.M LOL I am very liberal with capitals and lower case so it is whatever comes out in the moment, I will be more aware
ArsMoriendi 12.13.16	That makes me think of the shitty hair metal band W.A.S.P.
hal1ax 12.13.16	good charlotte
wham49 12.13.16	or Atlanta Rhythm Section
KILL 12.13.16	iggy poop
wham49 12.13.16	always enlightening KILL
zakalwe 12.13.16	Have any of you bells heard stray cat cat blues by the stones?
FullOfSounds 12.13.16	Waterparks
ArsMoriendi 12.13.16	I have in fact heard Stray Cat Blues, if we're going with British Invasion Bands, You Really got Me by The Kinks is older and punkier and more influential
zakalwe 12.13.16	Ello dude. You understand it son. Give it 20yrs and someone will actually throw it in there as a valid point because everything is 'subjective'
zakalwe 12.13.16	I know it's outrageous but 70s punk is...... Who the fuckin is 'ell is this? "It's a coon." "I ain't avin it" Everyone else deals with it. Fucki it, I'm not having it, what do I do do??????
wham49 12.14.16	what the fuck?
wham49 12.14.16	if were being ridiculous I throw in "Its All Right Ma. Im only bleeding" it is punk as hell
RogueNine 12.14.16	I was gonna say The Kinks but what do I know.
zombi666 12.17.16	Listen to Raw Power (Imo, the first 'punk' track)
wham49 12.19.16	that is what I am sayin bro, Detroit
rabidfish 12.19.16	Lima, Perú Los Saicos, look it up.
JigglyPDiddy 05.17.17	Fun House was arguably the world going through its first real punk phase.
wham49 05.17.17	watch Gimme Danger the Stooges doc on Amazon video, jiggly, very good, almost how all great bands form, friends first, then music later, a band before they could play pretty much why the Ramones became a band
butcherboy 05.17.17	Richard Hell...... answered
JigglyPDiddy 05.17.17	Fun House is just such a punk album. Don't get me wrong I think their debut rules, but Fun House was the band saying "Fuck you. We want to sound as raw as our peanut-butter/heroin tinged live shows." Iggy went bonkers here.
wham49 05.17.17	at the end of the tour they were all sleeping on there parents couches broke and heroin addicted, lets you know how badass the tour was LOL
Fort23 05.17.17	none of these dudes yall fucken sheep man
guitarded_chuck 05.17.17	"the stooges were probably the first to evolve psych rock to something rawer that would fit the punk tag" this guy got it right