Snide
09.07.16 | In case the top links don't work:
Test - https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
My Results - http://i.imgur.com/m97ppZS.png |
Futures
09.07.16 | oh god please not another politics list please no |
Tunaboy45
09.07.16 | ugh here we go, 1,000 comments in a day |
Snide
09.07.16 | This list isn't about any of the presidential candidates so I doubt it's going to blow up like the previous lists. |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | sputnikpolitics.com |
Snide
09.07.16 | It'll be interesting to see what direction Sputnik leans politically. |
ZippaThaRippa
09.07.16 | "This list isn't about any of the presidential candidates so I doubt it's going to blow up like the previous lists."
Not YET |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | "It'll be interesting to see what direction Sputnik leans politically."
its generally mixed, but lots of libs |
Futures
09.07.16 | STOP |
Snide
09.07.16 | By lib do you mean liberal or libertarian? |
Cygnatti
09.07.16 | Socialist libertarian |
wham49
09.07.16 | there is another cant remember the site that asks you 30 something questions and then gives you the 3 closest aligned parties to your answers, will surprise you, mine was the green party, never would of guessed |
Snide
09.07.16 | Most of my political policies revolve around small government, but that also sounds like an interesting test wham. |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | i mean LIBERAL |
wham49
09.07.16 | we did it in US history, I'll ask the guy who gave it and post it. |
Snide
09.07.16 | Shit. I'm not liberal, I'm mostly a centrist with very slight right wing leanings and a bit more of libertarian leanings. |
wham49
09.07.16 | not sure what that means star, also small gov, are words to confuse the masses |
Snide
09.07.16 | I know we live in a pro-globalist / pro-big gov world, but that shit annoys me to no end. |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | "I'm mostly a centrist with very slight right wing leanings and a bit more of libertarian leanings."
yea sounds about where id end up on that list but probably further to the right on some stuff |
heck
09.07.16 | why am I contributing to this http://i.imgur.com/UPzrMNU.png |
Snide
09.07.16 | On what issues would you be more right wing Starless? |
Snide
09.07.16 | Damn Hellscythe, you're pretty far to the left and libertarian. |
guitarded_chuck
09.07.16 | Economic Left/Right: -3.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54
https://www.politicalcompass.org/chart?ec=-3.5&soc=-5.54
not as far left as i used to be, and a bit more libertarian |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | cant really specify issues cause all i see is the compass. i feel like ive taken that test before and it looked like yours but a tad more right and even deeper libertarian. so you'd be like me, but more overall center |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | jeez guitarded ur a leftist prick |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | Economic Left/Right: -4.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.41
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Futures
09.07.16 | this test is super loaded |
Snide
09.07.16 | "this test is super loaded"
How come? |
Keyblade
09.07.16 | yea some weird statements that are factually true but dont say anything about ur political views lol |
DoofusWainwright
09.07.16 | Every time I do these things I come out 25% each
I tend to agree with the strongest suit of each party/political belief set so I guess I want to live in an ideal world |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | I have to say the questions were a load of gash. |
ZippaThaRippa
09.07.16 | Very true |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | yea theres another test somewhere on the web that has way more questions and is a bit more in depth but they are all biased because of the perspective of the questions |
Snide
09.07.16 | My only complaint about the questions was that it wasn't geared towards a lot modern issues. It was a little too general. |
ZippaThaRippa
09.07.16 | Like you would only answer yes if you were an asshole. Like come on. Women should primarily be homemakers? Does anyone think that nowadays? |
Ebola
09.07.16 | Economic Left/Right: -2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.0 |
Sinternet
09.07.16 | will be good quality thread [~]
Economic Left/Right: -7.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72 |
Tunaboy45
09.07.16 | stopped half way through those questions are so stupid |
Snide
09.07.16 | "Does anyone think that nowadays"
You'd be surprised. |
Keyblade
09.07.16 | "Like you would only answer yes if you were an asshole. Like come on. Women should primarily be homemakers? Does anyone think that nowadays?"
lol you'd be suprised bro |
Snide
09.07.16 | I mean, I'm not a feminist, but thinking women should be relegated to one type of job is just retarded. |
Polyethylene
09.07.16 | Economic Left/Right: -8.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.85
no surprises really |
Sinternet
09.07.16 | good score poly |
ZippaThaRippa
09.07.16 | I'm not surprised that you hate women at all actually |
wham49
09.07.16 | www.isidewith.com
this is the test I mentioned earlier, do the expanded questions it will help narrow it down |
Snide
09.07.16 | "I'm not surprised that you hate women at all actually."
Woah what? Calm down there, I don't hate women. |
Futures
09.07.16 | isidewith is way better yeah. i side with gary johnson 96% |
Snide
09.07.16 | Oh you were talking about ISideWith?
I did a list about that a while back, I think I sided with Gary 74% and Trump 71%, then all the other candidates were lower percentages than that. |
Sinternet
09.07.16 | problem is with isidewith is that (obviously) its centred on american issues, whereas political compass can be applied to most countries |
Snide
09.07.16 | It is pretty centered on american issues, keep in mind though a lot of the world is focused on America's election right now. |
AlexKzillion
09.07.16 | Economic Left/Right: -3.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77 |
AlexKzillion
09.07.16 | Hmm, so far everybody who has posted theirs has been somewhat similar. |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | same as everyone else |
Keyblade
09.07.16 | i got
left/right: -2.75
l/a: -5.54
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Asdfp277
09.07.16 | decent score ! >:] |
Futures
09.07.16 | http://imgur.com/a/RyMvs
all alone |
Polyethylene
09.07.16 | damn Futures UR EVIL |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | ...not a decent score ! :[ |
ZippaThaRippa
09.07.16 | https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=0.38&soc=7.23 |
porcupinetheater
09.07.16 | I'm way the Hell down in the bottom left corner, about to push off the grid completely |
Futures
09.07.16 | actually it's the best score |
ZippaThaRippa
09.07.16 | Damn Canadians |
Futures
09.07.16 | had to break up the liberal circlejerk in here |
ZippaThaRippa
09.07.16 | Yeah those libtards amiright |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | i mean what could one expect of futures but yea |
Futures
09.07.16 | just pointing out most people here are liberals. nothing negative. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Futures I got you fam.
Although I'm not taking this test again I remember I did it awhile ago and half the questions were straight up bullshit that had nothing to do with anything relevant. ISideWith is like 99x better and more focused. |
LotusFlower
09.07.16 | more like political compASS |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | It really is. |
FullOfSounds
09.07.16 | I don't like these because I end up falling in between for the questions a lot and idk what to answer. |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | That isidewith one is a bit better but I don't believe a word of it.
Labour - 44% on educational, environmental, healthcare and economics
Lib Dem - 40% on immigration, education and environmental issues
Con - 32% on immigration, domestic policy, environmental science and educational issues.
UKIP - 30% on foreign policy, immigration and education.
|
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | "If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations."
- Bullshit question that assumes opposition.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
- Bullshit question.
Fucking joke test and only page 1. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Zak you pretty much come up centrist cause you're all over the fucking place ideologically. |
smaugman
09.07.16 | Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26
i was right in the middle of the green cube |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | the thing is, u need to use ur brain to interpret things |
Polyethylene
09.07.16 | Zak you're a hot mess of conflicting ideals |
Futures
09.07.16 | lol i want to know what the abstract art one actually means |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | You're like the dumbest Chilean of all time. |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | Fuck it I'm starting my own party. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Zak Attack: Socialism and stuff but FUCK YOU NO GAHTDAYUM IMMIGRANTS STAY THE FUCK OUT! |
Futures
09.07.16 | fire up the helicopters |
smaugman
09.07.16 | Socialism and stuff but FUCK YOU NO GAHTDAYUM IMMIGRANTS STAY THE FUCK OUT!
yea like one cannot have those two opinions |
cvlts
09.07.16 | Economic Left/Right: 1.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.87
Basically a much more centrist Friedman, which isn't too far removed from the truth. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Yo Sinternet and Poly how old are you two? Your econ scores make me think really young. |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | so we wanna deport them all and destroy sections of the agriculture industry whilst losing the 70% of illegals that PAY TAX. so less revenue and destroy industry kool
and thats coming from a right wing person |
Sinternet
09.07.16 | 'yea like one cannot have those two opinions'
those two ideas morally conflict so yeah they aren't compatible |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Uncle Milt is the G.O.A.T. |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | sint get out
youre a revolting commie |
Futures
09.07.16 | deporting 11 million illegals would be a disaster for the economy not to mention the nightmare like scenario of police going door to door with guns asking for paperwork |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | I'm excusing him based on age cause I'm guessing he's a teen. |
Futures
09.07.16 | milt [2] |
smaugman
09.07.16 | some of you people look at everything so black and white it's insane |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Ain't nobody deporting all them there Mexicans, not even Donny T seriously believes that shit. He won't even build a wall if elected. |
Sinternet
09.07.16 | karl marx was right you know |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | http://67.media.tumblr.com/0ffd3cfc42436f22c7bd8eca3be37a7a/tumblr_od3uh0DHid1uahv7ko1_500.jpg |
smaugman
09.07.16 | karl marx was a commie you know
and commies are bad |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | GODDAMMIT SINT HOW OLD ARE YOU? |
Futures
09.07.16 | assdfp resorting to memes because he is out of his depth |
Sinternet
09.07.16 | old enough to smash the bourgeoise |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Second language problems. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Are you in middle or high school? Blink once for the former, twice for the latter. |
ZippaThaRippa
09.07.16 | Yes sir. Every time I see abstract art I just want to go out and burn some books |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | "deporting 11 million illegals would be a disaster for the economy not to mention the nightmare like scenario of police going door to door with guns asking for paperwork"
100% agree
but we should secure the border better, now |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | marx was such a lame libtard he literally sponged off his rich dad for much of his life. true story. WORKING CLASS WORKING CLASS |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | How the fuck would you do that? Mexicans can use ladders too you know. |
smaugman
09.07.16 | hah, america's biggest task is to make college free or a lot more affordable |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | True story: Karl Marx had a will. What a fucking retard. |
Futures
09.07.16 | or just make immigration a non bureaucratic nightmare? would solve a lot of problems |
smaugman
09.07.16 | like i did in minecraft, in front of the fence, make a lava moat |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Yeah, the problem in America is too few people going to college. That's our #1 issue. Ask any barista and they'll tell you the same. |
Sinternet
09.07.16 | 'hah, america's biggest task is to make college free or a lot more affordable'
won't happen under capitalism bud sorry |
Futures
09.07.16 | yeah it will college never used to be this expensive. let the free market do it's work without government interference. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Sint how old are you? |
ZippaThaRippa
09.07.16 | Just use a water bucket |
smaugman
09.07.16 | you're a moron sinternet
you're way, waaaay too radical |
ZippaThaRippa
09.07.16 | lava moats are stupid |
Sinternet
09.07.16 | 'Are you in middle or high school? Blink once for the former, twice for the latter.'
*blinks three times* |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | SHIT you're in elementary school? Dude you're pretty precocious aside the political leanings. |
smaugman
09.07.16 | it's possible to live in a society that has mixed grains of this and that. america needs to raise taxes on the rich and give people better wages |
Sinternet
09.07.16 | muh free market will solve all muh problems |
smaugman
09.07.16 | zippa come here and say that to my face ill kill you i swear |
Futures
09.07.16 | muh big government will solve all muh problems |
smaugman
09.07.16 | sinternet, just admit it! COMMUNISM SUX HARD |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | "muh free market will solve all muh problems"
muh increased government control corruption bribes reckless spending and urban housing will solve all muh problems
working quite well for venezuela
r u gonna drum up some bull to tell me capitalism is the reason that country is hollowed out
cuz its physically because of their government
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GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | http://imgur.com/AWituvj |
ZippaThaRippa
09.07.16 | Your lava moat is a fucking waste. I could ruin it with three irons bars in about 5 seconds. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | There's only one way a nation sitting atop the world's largest oil reserves could be struggling to handle its toilet paper needs. |
Futures
09.07.16 | 3 libertarians in one thread on sputnikmusic.com it's a record fellas |
smaugman
09.07.16 | the only thing that broke it was the fact that me and my friends' fortress was blown up by some tnt cannon asshole while we were at school |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | "muh big government will solve all muh problems"
i wish there were people on sputnik from the county where I live (doubt it) that can attest what the government has allowed to happen to this county (we have a hasidic problem and its bad)
|
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | "extremist" left-wing beliefs only seem extremist because *you* live in a extremist country lol |
StarlessCore
09.07.16 | "it's possible to live in a society that has mixed grains of this and that. america needs to raise taxes on the rich and give people better wages"
so mandate ridiculous minimum wage increases that force those companies to CUT jobs and actually damage the workers in the short run |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | "There's only one way a nation sitting atop the world's largest oil reserves could be struggling to handle its toilet paper needs."
africa is shit-full of diamonds bby, it's fairly right-wing, and it's dirt-poor
ur also ignoring bad administration of resources, like bailing other countries out of debt to the us, debt that they got in the first place because of right-wing policies, abuse, military action and selfishness |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Chile has like the highest HDI in South/Central America and its the most right wing economically of all of them as a result of the Chicago boys. You literally don't even know shit about your own country. |
Futures
09.07.16 | fun fact ass420 the country where you are from had one of the best economies in the world because of free market economics |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Name me a left-wing African country to use as a compare group. Otherwise shut the fuck up. |
Futures
09.07.16 | LMAO ghost you beat me to it |
Shadowmire
09.07.16 | Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.49
how uninteresting |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | He gets to sit here bitching on Sputnik instead of trading sex for toiletries and thinks he's really missing out on that good life. |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | chile is also one of the most unequal places on america, and home to many human rights violations during the chicago boy's mastubatory philosophical discussions 👏
don't talk about chile like u know anything about it either 👏 |
smaugman
09.07.16 | ahhhh, it's so nice to see that some sputnikers can't argue without getting pissed off |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Oh fuck off you live in the best nation on your continent and you're complaining? |
Shadowmire
09.07.16 | yea this thread was guaranteed to bring the anger |
Futures
09.07.16 | yes pinochet was a really shitty dictator but the economy flurished. you literally can't deny it |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | "Name me a left-wing African country to use as a compare group"
if u wanna go that route, do a demonstration of how a pure libertarian economical system will undoubtedly result in a better country, without citing examples
economics is a strictly theoretical science, that relies exclusively on anecdotal evidence my boy |
smaugman
09.07.16 | well, it's actually possible to have a discussion while being rational, that vegan thread was mostly ok. that ghost guy needs to calm down |
heck
09.07.16 | this thread turned into exactly the shitfest everyone said it would be lmao |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | "you literally can't deny it"
don't recall denying it, my futures boy |
XfingTheSullen
09.07.16 | Pretty much anything reasonably close to the middle is OK |
Futures
09.07.16 | i'm older than you kid. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | You're hopeless. Jesus save this boy. |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | it doesn't show bro, given ur lack of experience in economics & naivete in trying to discuss /foreign/ economics even |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Smaug I will dismember you and fuck your mutilated corpse. |
Shadowmire
09.07.16 | lol |
Futures
09.07.16 | it doesn't show bro, given ur lack of experience in economics & naivete in trying to discuss /foreign/ economics even
hahahhahahhahahaha jesus christ. pretty much all respectable economists worship friedman open a book |
smaugman
09.07.16 | that's cool |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | pretty much all respectable economists worship friedman open a book
pretty much all respectable economists worship friedman open a book
pretty much all respectable economists worship friedman open a book
pretty much all respectable economists worship friedman open a book
pretty much all respectable economists worship friedman open a book |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | asdfp -
East v. West Germany
North v. South Korea
Macau v. China
Taiwan v. China
Take your pick, all historical examples point the same direction. |
smaugman
09.07.16 | any gay necrophiliac must be a cool guy |
Futures
09.07.16 | you're living in denial |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | It ain't gay if you're dead. Learn the rules. |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | what part of "not anecdotal" did u not get bro, ignoring social variables and a country's past and current context isn't doing u any favors |
smaugman
09.07.16 | sorry i havent fucked any dead people before |
ZippaThaRippa
09.07.16 | Who could have predicted this would happen |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | You're missing out.
And asdfp you're just waving away every single known occurrence as if it means nothing because you're pissy about the results. |
Futures
09.07.16 | show me a socialist economy that flourished please |
H61
09.07.16 | libertarians are all about being too dumb, privileged and dogmatic to understand the world from any sociological or social historical context |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | "And asdfp you're just waving away every single known occurrence as if it means nothing because you're pissy about the results"
not really, as i'm not even arguing against that, just showin how u can't even commit to a strictly, properly economical analysis without falling back on shit examples and opinions u got some someone else my boy |
Futures
09.07.16 | show me a socialist economy that flourished |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Asks for evidence. Says 100% of the data that exists is meaningless because it all goes directly against his views. Dances around as if victorious. |
Futures
09.07.16 | PRIVILEGED |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | still waitin for the proper analysis tho |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | "Zak Attack: Socialism and stuff but FUCK YOU NO GAHTDAYUM IMMIGRANTS STAY THE FUCK OUT!"
I'm more assimilate, contribute, identify, respect or get slung out. |
Futures
09.07.16 | still waiting for an example of a socialist economy that flourished |
Relinquished
09.07.16 | fuck off snide |
TheTripP
09.07.16 | Almost on Ghandi's level babeeeee |
demoncleaner
09.07.16 | Well, this thread is exactly like I imagined it to be. |
Snide
09.07.16 | Socialism sucks ye. |
anarchistfish
09.07.16 | Economic Left/Right: -9.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.1 |
wtferrothorn
09.07.16 | "This list isn't about any of the presidential candidates so I doubt it's going to blow up like the previous lists."
-Snide, 2016 |
LotusFlower
09.07.16 | The three things in life you are to never talk about without expecting a fight: Religion, Politics, and Who Is Best Girl. |
Nazzadan
09.07.16 | Asuka. |
LotusFlower
09.07.16 | you piece of shit. |
Nazzadan
09.07.16 | Kurumu. Morgana. Shantae. Asuka.
That is a definitive list of best girls. 2 anime, 2 videogames. Perfect spread. |
Shadowmire
09.07.16 | i have 0 interest in fighting about any subject
dunno if boring or a good user |
Crymsonblaze
09.07.16 | there really should be a neutral option, because a solid 40% of this i don't give a shit about.
either way: http://i.imgur.com/Ocpo6dN.png
some of the questions are pretty ridiculous. they might as well ask: "are you racist?" or "are you sexist?" for a couple of these. |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | homura |
Shadowmire
09.07.16 | nia |
Crymsonblaze
09.07.16 | "you piece of shit."
no, he's right |
Nazzadan
09.07.16 | Homura a cute, I will concede that. See, peace is possible. |
LotusFlower
09.07.16 | 'dunno if boring or a good user'
u gave the family jewels a 3.0 and three cheers for disappointment a 3.0 so boring yeah |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | kinda correct tho |
Shadowmire
09.07.16 | i gave three cheers 3.5 cmon |
Asdfp277
09.07.16 | madoka rules too |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | hahahahah fish what the fuck
That's the Frenchest thing I've ever seen. |
smaugman
09.07.16 | Shadowmire gave power windows 3. Prepare to be reported and killed |
Shadowmire
09.07.16 | put the gun down i'll give it another listen i swear |
americanohno
09.07.16 | I just read the first 10 questions and found that they could not be adequetely answered in a simple agree/disagree. I also thought the questions worded in such a way as to be completely useless in actually divining where one falls on a "political compass". So I refused to take the test.
This David Bentley Hart essay on Anarcho-Monarchism is a political view I found compelling:
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2010/11/anarcho-monarchism |
anarchistfish
09.07.16 | "libertarians are all about being too dumb, privileged and dogmatic to understand the world from any sociological or social historical context"
social science may as well not exist for most libertarians |
anarchistfish
09.07.16 | "I also thought the questions worded in such a way as to be completely useless in actually divining where one falls on a "political compass". So I refused to take the test."
fair enough but from what I've seen this is pretty much the best one around |
Futures
09.07.16 | anarchistfish probably smells like piss |
anarchistfish
09.07.16 | gonna need a source on that |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | http://i.imgur.com/1idsCuc.jpg |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | Who gives a fuck about social historics? |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | I mean sociology departments nationwide could disappear tomorrow and there'd be no net loss to society. |
anarchistfish
09.07.16 | sexy af tbh |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Same goes for gender studies, religious studies, basket weaving, interpretive dance... |
Futures
09.07.16 | lmao |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Your "beard" attempt is looking pretty sparse, chief. |
anarchistfish
09.07.16 | my beard is sexy and you're just a hater |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | One bracelet wasn't enough? What about the poor kids who can't afford any bracelets? |
Futures
09.07.16 | using the term hater unironically |
americanohno
09.07.16 | One can at least sympathize, then, with Tolkien’s view of monarchy. There is, after all, something degrading about deferring to a politician, or going through the silly charade of pretending that “public service” is a particularly honorable occupation, or being forced to choose which band of brigands, mediocrities, wealthy lawyers, and (God spare us) idealists will control our destinies for the next few years.
But a king—a king without any real power, that is—is such an ennoblingly arbitrary, such a tender and organically human institution. It is easy to give our loyalty to someone whose only claim on it is an accident of heredity, because then it is a free gesture of spontaneous affection that requires no element of self-deception, and that does not involve the humiliation of having to ask to be ruled. |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | What the fuck is social historics?
Yank Brat Babble.
Stay strong, learn today for today for the betterment of tomorrow.
✊
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GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Zak I love the fact that I understand all your words in isolation yet haven't a clue when they're put together. |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | ✊
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anarchistfish
09.07.16 | "using the term hater unironically"
Smh |
Futures
09.07.16 | cringe |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Seriously fish, a necklace too? That's three accessories when many people can't afford even one. You're a suck ass communist, you know that?
Probably wears designer brands too smh. |
anarchistfish
09.07.16 | Nah I don't but reading through this thread you have like 40 comments and only about 10 of them aren't retarded |
TheGreatQ
09.07.16 | https://www.politicalcompass.org/chart?ec=-0.13&soc=4.67 |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Don't be mad. Accessorize. You know you want to. |
anarchistfish
09.07.16 | Futures take note, that last comment was me being genuine |
Futures
09.07.16 | you are the least genuine person on this planet |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | fish you have partynextdoor ahead of Jane Doe. If you're genuine you have some explaining to do. |
porcupinetheater
09.07.16 | Communism will reign for a thousand years get your borscht pots ready |
Futures
09.07.16 | nope fire up the helicopters |
Keyblade
09.07.16 | man fish why u clenching ur fist so hard in that middle finger pose bro. ur face says im high as fuck but ur hand says im tense af lol |
Snake.
09.07.16 | Left/Right: -3.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31 |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | Anyone here young enough and soft enough to think cunts can be rehabilitated? |
Keyblade
09.07.16 | isnt scandinavia, specifically norway a good example that they can |
Futures
09.07.16 | anyone here dumb enough to think punishment is more important than rehabilitation? |
Ashen
09.07.16 | this thread triggered me |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | We're not talking about people who nick mars bars, we're talking about the serial rapists. Fiddlers, extortionists. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | "It is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate SOME criminals." - Emphasis for Key. |
Futures
09.07.16 | true |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | These questions are fucking awful. |
Snide
09.07.16 | Can we just stop the government from trying to fuckbutt every aspect of our lives? |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | fish says go fuck yourself |
Keyblade
09.07.16 | yea some criminals are obviously beyond rehabilitation which is why some of these questions are kinda dumb
that's a very reasonable statement that ppl on both sides of the spectrum would agree on |
Futures
09.07.16 | why are you voting for trump then snide |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | I remember when I took it awhile ago a lot of the questions were too poorly thought out so that I could get either strongly agree or strongly disagree based on assumptions about what they meant. |
Snide
09.07.16 | I changed my vote not too long ago, I decided I'm #feelingthejohnson |
Futures
09.07.16 | awesome i'm glad to hear that honestly |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Key's voting for a jar of maple syrup. Goes great on bacon, pancakes, whatever you want. Very versatile. |
Snide
09.07.16 | I was relatively centrist not too long ago but I grow more libertarian with every debate tbh |
Keyblade
09.07.16 | hell yea |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | The people who torture children. Do they even deserve a chance at rehabilitation? |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.07.16 | Kristen will definitely wanna fuck you now. |
Futures
09.07.16 | zak we already settled this move on old man |
Keyblade
09.07.16 | been living abroad for a minute so idk much about canadian politics, but trudeau seems like a real one |
zaruyache
09.07.16 | Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56
Tho I have no idea what not hating gays has to do with the modern conflation of christianity and republicans. |
TVC15
09.07.16 | Whatever this means
https://imgur.com/a/NLf5H |
Nazzadan
09.07.16 | So Asuka is best girl, but a good argument could be made for Misato.
Rei is just right out though, left at the starting line. |
Snide
09.07.16 | CC from Code Geass >>>> all other waifus |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | Dunno about your political compass but your musical taste chart is top drawer. |
Kompys2000
09.07.16 | Economic Left/Right: -5.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.9
Hey guys what's up this seems like a fun thread |
rockandmetaljunkie
09.07.16 | just a suggestion guys, don't mess politics with music |
Nazzadan
09.07.16 | "CC from Code Geass >>>> all other waifus"
Disagree.
Though Eureka is pretty top tier, I really liked her. Not from Geass of course, but CC made me think of Eureka. |
Futures
09.07.16 | anime is gay |
Keyblade
09.07.16 | yall serious with this waifu shit? scust |
Futures
09.07.16 | if you use the term waifu unironically die |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | Disagreed with that one |
Futures
09.07.16 | linkinparkftw probably based on his response to the flag thing |
Kompys2000
09.07.16 | I think I answered "Agree", but I might've put "Disagree". It's honestly kind of a reductive question so I had a hard time answering it.. |
Shadowmire
09.07.16 | strongly disagree |
spookynewghostfriend
09.07.16 | i got the corner square in the top right ! |
zakalwe
09.07.16 | lol spooky |
anarchistfish
09.07.16 | "man fish why u clenching ur fist so hard in that middle finger pose bro. ur face says im high as fuck but ur hand says im tense af lol"
More likely I'm just drunk |
zaruyache
09.08.16 | just like the question about superior races like ummmm |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.0 |
TVC15
09.08.16 | "linkinparkftw probably based on his response to the flag thing"
LOL I only put "disagree" on it |
Ryus
09.08.16 | Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59
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Sinternet
09.08.16 | sach bringing the correct scores in here |
Futures
09.08.16 | lol |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | the actual test is dumb af, and half of the questions have nothing to do with neither social nor political beliefs.
so i'm not sure how indicative any of that is. |
Snide
09.08.16 | Someone on Facebook just told me that Gary Johnson and Jill Stein are the same thing. Who actually believes that? What the actual fuck |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | i think it's more likely 'redditor' |
Futures
09.08.16 | http://spekr.org/
this test is way more accurate |
ScuroFantasma
09.08.16 | http://m.imgur.com/QVvwJNs
Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.1
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Polyethylene
09.08.16 | Don't worry, folks. Even after the devastation of the planet and the ongoing suffering of women, minorities and the working class, we'll continue to have strong economic growth. |
Futures
09.08.16 | lol |
TheGreatQ
09.08.16 | "http://spekr.org/ this test is way more accurate"
These questions are pretty shit too. |
ScuroFantasma
09.08.16 | lol, I didn't even get that question |
TheGreatQ
09.08.16 | Did a lawyer write these? The wording is terrible. |
Futures
09.08.16 | i prefer it the questions are more straightfoward |
Futures
09.08.16 | yeah but most people don't know what that is so i think it's fine lol |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | this is my favourite:
https://www.helloquizzy.com/tests/the-social-justice-warrior-or-nazi-test |
Danred97
09.08.16 | Economic Left/Right: 2.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.51
Not shocking really
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Futures
09.08.16 | there was this one thread somewhere where it was sjw or stormfront and it was pretty funny |
TheGreatQ
09.08.16 | Hold up why does saying parents shouldn't be able to abuse their kids make you more libertarian? |
Futures
09.08.16 | you think parents abusing their kids is libertarian? lmao |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | 'https://www.helloquizzy.com/tests/the-social-justice-warrior-or-nazi-test'
this is the dumbest thing i've ever seen
like horseshoe theory levels of stupidity |
TheGreatQ
09.08.16 | I mean, wouldn't saying "just do whatever you want with them" be more on the freedom side of the axis?
Got Conservative, Economic 31 Cultural 21 |
HisBelovedMaker
09.08.16 | Guys, no one gives a damn about your political compass; you might be literally Hitler or some fat SJW - no one cares about this online. |
TheGreatQ
09.08.16 | lmao I took the social justice warrior or nazi and got:
The Legbeard
20% Extremist, 28% Liberal, 27% Feminist, 0% AntiRacist, 40% Racist, 38% Ignorant, 60% Sexist, 40% Rude, 63% Nerdy, 57% Conservative and 18% SpecialSnowflake!
You are more than just a feminist- you are a legbeard. You are extremist in your ways, and you generally stop at nothing to prove your points about how much men suck. Your enemy is the Red Piller. |
TVC15
09.08.16 | Turns out I'm a liberal... not sure how to feel about that |
Iamthe Nightstars
09.08.16 | Economic Left/Right: -0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95
So I'm libertarian. Big whoop, wanna fight about it? |
TVC15
09.08.16 | 24% Extremist, 34% Liberal, 41% Feminist, 38% AntiRacist, 32% Racist, 42% Ignorant, 22% Sexist, 25% Rude, 39% Nerdy, 45% Conservative and 59% SpecialSnowflake!
Congratulations- you're a social justice warrior! We shitlords quiver in your presence. |
Futures
09.08.16 | So I'm libertarian. Big whoop, wanna fight about it?
not really lol look at my score |
emester
09.08.16 | oh my fucking lord |
user
09.08.16 | using gay in that negative sense is super gay |
Futures
09.08.16 | i don't care jorge |
Alondite
09.08.16 | Economic Left/Right: 2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51
About what I expected. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | I want scatter plots of the Econ score against age and income of users. Can nearly guarantee linear upward slope. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Economic Left/Right: -4.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72 |
miketunneyiscool123
09.08.16 | yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
Nazzadan
09.08.16 | So I've really given it some thought, and I've come to the conclusion that Sucy is the best Little Witch. |
TheWrenKing
09.08.16 | all this thread has done is made me lose respect for a couple people
econ: - 6.75
social: -7.28 |
sempiturtle
09.08.16 | In Canada or the UK I'd be considered centrist but in the US I'm a left-wing commie cause people here are mental. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | If you don't score negatively you might be a piece of shit. |
TheWrenKing
09.08.16 | ^pretty much |
sempiturtle
09.08.16 | I haven't taken this in a year or so and don't really feel like doing it again but I remember getting around -2 left and -5 down. |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | double negatives are the only respectful score yea |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | i'm fine with economic negative, social positive tbh
actually, there's no bad score tbh |
TheWrenKing
09.08.16 | room for improvement |
Futures
09.08.16 | lol you guys are such losers jesus |
TheWrenKing
09.08.16 | "lol you guys are such sjws* jesus"
fixt that for ya |
Futures
09.08.16 | that is true |
TheWrenKing
09.08.16 | for real tho i can't believe people use that term and expect to be taken seriously |
CaliggyJack
09.08.16 | Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | I'm convinced someone on this site wrote this poster:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/07/18/38069F1800000578-0-image-a-22_1473270434729.jpg |
TheWrenKing
09.08.16 | radical sjw gtfo |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | you should be able to say what you think
people should be able to make judgements on your character based on that
censoring speech is censorship of people's ability to express, and furthermore an implicit censorship of people's ability to discern between people of different belief(s).
it's problematic, blunt and ineffective at best.
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iloveyouall
09.08.16 | society would degrade more as a result of censorship tbh |
Futures
09.08.16 | i respect people less for political beliefs XD totally reasonable |
TheWrenKing
09.08.16 | http://i.imgur.com/0SZbWp0.jpg |
TheWrenKing
09.08.16 | agree witcha sach |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | White clouds need to check their privilege. People only ever run inside when black clouds are overhead smh racist cunts. |
Iamthe Nightstars
09.08.16 | "If you don't score negatively you might be a piece of shit."
You might also be a commi bastard if you score too negatively. |
Iamthe Nightstars
09.08.16 | Looking under the US Presidential Election 2012 tab how is it that Obama is that close to the republicans? |
Typhoon24
09.08.16 | -2, -4.46
moderate liberal so i guess that's where i'd land |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Still fitting that a site full of Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein supporters is more white than Stormfront and more male than IGN. |
smaugman
09.08.16 | yea i hate fucking white males!! they are responsible for all the problems in the world!! |
Futures
09.08.16 | that's not the point bub |
TheWrenKing
09.08.16 | whtevr cud he possbly b implying???????????? |
Iamthe Nightstars
09.08.16 | I think that's the first time I've seen Stein mentioned on here. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-6.13&soc=-6.72 |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | good score ed |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | lol, ed's a conservative if i've ever seen one tho, so this is baffling
the compass is broken |
TheWrenKing
09.08.16 | maybe he's in denial |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | "You might also be a commi bastard if you score too negatively."
Strongly Disagree
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RadicalEd
09.08.16 | I don't know how you even arrived at this conclusion. I think you just started calling me ConservativeEd as a juxtaposition to RadicalEd and then your brain started to actually think I'm conservative, even tho I'm not at all xD.
We never even talked about politics, just about religion (and your viewpoints are arguably way more conservative on that topic) |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | "i'm fine with economic negative, social positive tbh
actually, there's no bad score tbh"
No it's not okay at all. Social positive is fucking crazy. Probably the craziest and most bigoted. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Evolve or get evolved on. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | I think actually scoring very high on the authoritarian score is pretty much objectively bad. |
Futures
09.08.16 | pinko bastards get in my helicopter |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Scoring high either way is definitely objectively bad. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Poor Turkey has taken such a sharp Authoritarian turn. It's sad. |
Futures
09.08.16 | Scoring high either way is definitely objectively bad.
basically yeah |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "Scoring high either way is definitely objectively bad."
I don't know that economic-science is actually developed enough to actually call fiscal-conservatives "objectively" wrong/bad. Even tho I personally don't agree with their beliefs at all. |
Futures
09.08.16 | true fiscal conservatism is the bottom right quadrant though |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "just about religion (and your viewpoints are arguably way more conservative on that topic)"
you're a staunch atheist lol |
zakalwe
09.08.16 | There must be something you agree with? |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Scoring high either way is definitely objectively bad.
Capitalism is objectively bad fam. |
Futures
09.08.16 | top right is crony capitalism |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | economics isn't developed enough (and never will be developed enough) to understand anything tbqh |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Yeah motherfuck supply and demand fam. |
Futures
09.08.16 | thoughts on sm0k? |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | das kapital figured it all out years ago |
TheWrenKing
09.08.16 | ew centrists |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | I wonder how they scored a lot of these questions. Like that one. Left-leaning individuals are more likely to believe in astrology but I don't know what that means for shifting along these axes. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "true fiscal conservatism is the bottom right quadrant though"
By scoring high I meant having a high positive score on either the economic or social side, I didn't necessarily mean one of the upper quadrants. (Like I said both upper quadrants are definitely bad, but I'm not so sure that the lower right quadrant is bad as well)
"economics isn't developed enough (and never will be developed enough) to understand anything tbqh"
Since my GF has a masters-degree in economics and she says the same thing, I tend to agree. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | lol das kapital doesn't figure out shit aside from the fact that pure smithian economics is a failure in practicality
blow it out your ass you tryhard cocksocket |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "das kapital figured it all out years ago"
Except the solutions proposed by Marx are retarded af. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | "Capitalism is objectively bad fam."
Okay but what's your point |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | http://imgur.com/AWituvj
^^^ He's got it all figured. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | he didn't even propose a fully-fledged solution lmao
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Futures
09.08.16 | karl marx was a sellout bum who leached of his parents |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | @ Storm - Capitalists should be thrown into slave labor camps and used as a food source. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | $20 on sinternet having never read more than 50 pages of das kapital |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | marx was a smart man, who was quite important as he was one of the first to truly criticise capitalism beyond the pockets of frustration amongst the workers in europe during the latter 19th century.
but to say he came up with the communist system is fucking daft. all he called for was destruction of the bourgeois class. the rest was appropriation of the naive ideas of the utopian socialists. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | @sach Chillout fam. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | also, s/o to engels for being the unsung hero. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Capitalism is only bad if it is crony capitalism although I would just hope that in twenty to fifty years we will massively improve all these horrible things in the world through energy advancements and an increased population and increased education leads to more volunteer effort. It'll all work out. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Pol Pot's the real hero. Dude crushed capitalism like a boss. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | @ed will do
BUT
soft-cock trendy leftists are the equivalent of political ego-death |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Increased education is an umbrella term of a million different meanings |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | And Mao? With that collective farm plan? Badass. |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | sach wtf happened to you man chill the fuck out |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | SINTERNET CLEAN YOUR ROOM! |
Futures
09.08.16 | people itt don't know the difference between legitimate free markets and crony capitalism lol |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | the issue with capitalism and most all economic systems is their inability to account for the fluidity and non-homogeneity of society. although it seems "perfectly fine" to generalise for the majority, there is ignorance of the fact that even the slightest disruptions can ripple outwards, and eventually grow to the point that the disharmony of the system will cause it to implode. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | ^ Futures is correct.
sach also has a point, but I don't think that problem is really something that can be rectified. Any system as big as a nation will have to generalize and can't perfectly account for fluidity. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Ironic considering music industry is about as free market as you can get. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "sach wtf happened to you man chill the fuck out"
all you're doing is giving conservatives a leg to stand on by trivialising economics and politics. fun fact: meme politics is not effective! |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | futures, do you actually believe that the free market system is attainable without destruction of all political systems in the process? |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | @ ghostof... Didn't understand it. Must be meaningless. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing."
economics as a field is a whole lot of research, expended energy, pointless philosophising and endless conjecture to prove nothing. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "futures, do you actually believe that the free market system is attainable without destruction of all political systems in the process?"
Why would you need to destroy political systems. I don't think futures is talking about a anarcho-capitalist type free market. |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | also Marx was appropriate to his time - much of what he said was relevant at its date of publication, and while not particularly useful in the modern day as a way of addressing the many, many failures of capitalism it still serves as an excellent critique of it's fundamentals. Today, it is a good idea to look towards modern day marxist economists like Yanis Varoufakis and Makoto Itoh, and also non-marxist economists such as Ha-Joon Chang. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Deepak Chopra level deep bro. Nassim Taleb level deep. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Microecon is easily verifiable and anyone who says otherwise is factually wrong. Macro is a different story. Like yeah, econometrics is bullshit. But that doesn't mean econ has no predictive power. |
Futures
09.08.16 | futures, do you actually believe that the free market system is attainable without destruction of all political systems in the process?
that is a good question honestly. i go back and forth on being a anarchist and not. i think that the smallest government will eventually turn into a big one. it's a tough question i haven't really figured out myself yet. i believe if the right leaders (like gary johnson in the us) are constantly elected it's possible but that will never happen and the next person will just fuck up everything and get government involved. |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | 'all you're doing is giving conservatives a leg to stand on by trivialising economics and politics. fun fact: meme politics is not effective!'
fun fact: i do this on sputnik because what's the point of arguing with people who are already so opinionated, on a music website no less. I am much more serious when it comes to politics outside of sput. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "Today, it is a good idea to look towards modern day marxist economists like Yanis Varoufakis and Makoto Itoh, and also non-marxist economists such as Ha-Joon Chang."
Actually, that is a terrible idea. |
Futures
09.08.16 | lol |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | "people itt don't know the difference between legitimate free markets and crony capitalism lol"
All I've said about it is that it is bad. No details so I know this comment doesn't include me. :-)
When I say crony capitalism I'm talking about bribes favors money in politics and closed door meetings between lobbyists and senators/congress/house to vote on what bills to pursue they the lobbyists bring in created by corporations. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Sinternet jesus... |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "Microecon is easily verifiable and anyone who says otherwise is factually wrong."
verifiable perhaps, but that ignores the insufficiencies of empiricism.
and realistically, what is the point in solving insignificant problems when they have imperceptible effects on the larger issues that spawn them? |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | 'Actually, that is a terrible idea.'
why, because they offer real solutions to end the huge inequalities created by capitalism? |
Futures
09.08.16 | i know storm haha. i believe you said once you dug ron paul right? |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | I don't understand how you can score on the libertarian rating sinternet, when you look up to guys like Marx or Varoufakis who are collectivists and therefore by necessity authoritarian. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | @futures yeah I did like Ron Paul a lot although when I've checked out the newer things he's said on his show he appears to have grown slightly out of touch, but things like fed reserve I agree with him |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "huge inequalities created by capitalism?"
i would argue that although capitalism does nothing to prevent the rise of inequalities and economic divergence (on both the microscopic and macroscopic level), it doesn't spawn inequality so much as the "unjust" actions of people within the system do.
it's hard to claim that communism, with the same set of competitively-minded people, will alleviate all issues of inequality.
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Futures
09.08.16 | yeah storm he's kinda doing that to support his son. but for years he was the man. and abolish the fed for sure :^) |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | @ storm - What irks me about socialist types is that they deride crony capitalism but act like socialism is immune to cronyism, which is counter to every historical example thus far (think inner circles that develop in all socialist societies where they get all the luxury goodies while the people cue for bread).
@ sach - C'mon man. Micro can explain a fuck lot of things and is incredibly useful at interpreting business. Laws of supply and demand, e.g. (excepting Veblen goods), are going to hold true. We know more than you are letting on.
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RadicalEd
09.08.16 | @ iloveyouall
I don't think communism is the answer for sure, but don't you think that in a (unregulated) capitalist system the societal "sticks and carrots" are arranged in a way to promote competitive-minded people and therefore reinforce and amplify egotistical hyper-competitive behaviour?
"sach - C'mon man. Micro can explain a fuck lot of things and is incredibly useful at interpreting business. Laws of supply and demand, e.g. (excepting Veblen goods), are going to hold true. We know more than you are letting on."
Mircoeconmics IS incredibly useful on a buisness lvl, but I don't think we can reasonably claim that macroeconomics is good for much except post-hoc analysis. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Ron annoyed me with his anti-gay bullshit. And gold buggery. And homeopathy. And immigration blocking. |
Futures
09.08.16 | collectivism requires force by nature. what happens if i don't conform? you going to kill me? |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | we do, but at the same time, i think too much emphasis is placed on microeconomics when the "real" (read: more important) problems lie within the field of macroeconomics. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Minimum wage should be between $20-$22 an hour if capitalism was operated fairly. |
zakalwe
09.08.16 | The poor are kept poor. Always have always will.
I'm taking the destitute here, the ones charities harangue us every day to help while others pockets are lined. |
Futures
09.08.16 | @ghost yeah but he grew up in a different era bro so i give him a pass. still good that even tho he is personally against gays he would've at least had the states decide, kinda a cop out tho. get the government out of marriage is a great thing imo |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | I agree with that ed. Your earlier statements seemed to deny the immense value of micro, though.
EDIT: Hold up, confusing who I'm talking to here. Sach still said something different. |
anarchistfish
09.08.16 | "people itt don't know the difference between legitimate free markets and crony capitalism lol"
"Legitimate" free markets are still conducive to systematic exploitation and the fact you think capitalism could be made ethical or even function at all by removing the government says it all really. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | Yeah well, my fault for not distinguishing between macro and microeconomics. I thought we were only talking about macroeconomics. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | "but act like socialism is immune to cronyism"
I mean people who are fighting these issues are fighting partly to make sure the corruption is done away with so I don't think we are acting like any new solution or new direction is infallible, but we are trying to eliminate those routes to corruption that are already being used therefore clearing the way to actually initiate change and being self-aware seems to be a growing ability in these same people. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | I need to go to bed |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "but don't you think that in a (unregulated) capitalist system the societal "sticks and carrots" are arranged in a way to promote competitive-minded people and therefore reinforce and amplify egotistical hyper-competitive behaviour?"
of course i do, however, it doesn't breed that behaviour, rather that behaviour breeds itself and manifests itself within the human condition. and realistically, that extends beyond the scope of economics altogether....
in all honesty though, an unregulated capitalist system would be more effective than a regulated one, for (although this is massively immoral) the inequality would reach an extreme such that we would return to "survival of the fittest," and eventually society would reach somewhat of a demographic equilibrium (similarly to the hypothetical stabilisation of anarchic systems at certain population size[s]).
it becomes incredibly difficult and unwieldly to try and answer a question like that... so imma leave it at "yes, but is that the worst possible outcome?" |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | 'i would argue that although capitalism does nothing to prevent the rise of inequalities and economic divergence (on both the microscopic and macroscopic level), it doesn't spawn inequality so much as the "unjust" actions of people within the system do.'
good point tbh, it may not be the system itself but those who abuse the system which creates it, and without tight regulation it is allowed to freely happen, but i would also argue that because the system itself is so easily exploitable that that has to be a detractor for it. Maybe the answer is meeting in the middle as in a socialist economy rather than a fully communist one, which is what I actively believe. Capitalism can work, but it needs regulation to make sure that it works for all who people and not just a select few, which it does not currently in any country. By using scialist ideas that help limit the ability of system abusers and prioritise the needs of the workers and lower classes, such ineqaulities are drastically reduced. |
Futures
09.08.16 | collectivism requires force by nature. what happens if i don't conform? you going to kill me?
would like an answer to this tbh |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | "Minimum wage should be between $20-$22 an hour if capitalism was operated fairly."
Dude if capitalism operated there would be no minimum wage. Pretty basic concept here. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | @sinternet
just positing here, but do you think that earth can sustain an unlimited population? |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | No we can not have 14 year olds working for $5 an hour that is insanity. I don't give a fuck about the red blooded American cop outs about letting kids learn early from that kind of bullshit. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | That's one of the reasons why I'm so scared of voting for Gary Johnson some of his economics stuff is sooooo scary. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Fuck Trump and Clinton. Stein kinda seems like Clinton in the way that she panders and then saying wifi is poisoning us and needs to be banned was the final straw. |
Futures
09.08.16 | nobody would agree to work for $5 an hour. businesses would be required to compete with each to raise wages. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | All 4 candidates have double edged swords |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | You literally just conflated child labor with minimum wage. How you did that I'm not sure. |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | 'I don't understand how you can score on the libertarian rating sinternet, when you look up to guys like Marx or Varoufakis who are collectivists and therefore by necessity authoritarian.'
I don't necessarily 100% agree with them on everything lol. I look up to Marx because his ideas helped inspire workers to fight for their rights, to greatly reduce exploitation. He also pointed out many of the inherent criticisms of capitalism. Saying that, as has been mentioned his solutions don't translate well to the modern global climate, which is where Varoufakis and others come in, helping propose modern solutions adapted from Marx's initial ideas. I don't necessarily agree with him all the time, but his ideas are sensible and achievable and most of all, modern. That's why I look up to them. |
Futures
09.08.16 | storm it's not like gary is going to get any of his "master plan" or whatever through congress lol |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Just so you know, though, you said a burger flipper should make $40,000 a year. That's what you said. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Sinternet I swear to god you don't even read the shit you type. |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | '@sinternet
just positing here, but do you think that earth can sustain an unlimited population?'
that's a tough one tbh. in terms of truly unlimited, no i don't believe so. But I also don't believe we will ever get to a point where the idea of truly unlimited needs worrying about. In terms of the current population and many of the increases projected to come, I think we are definitely able to sustain it, as population is not the issue but distribution of resources. Address resource allocation issues and the world is sustainable as long as we continue to help fight issues such as climate change, as one of the biggest threats to population sustainability is climate refugees. |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | 'Sinternet I swear to god you don't even read the shit you type.'
i swear you haven't provided a single valid criticism of what i've said so far |
Futures
09.08.16 | some socialist answer my question |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | 'Just so you know, though, you said a burger flipper should make $40,000 a year. That's what you said'
and why shouldn't they? |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | tbh I think in the next 30-40 years a unconditional basic income will be inevitable, because there will be basically no need for manual labor and not everyone can become a highly educated specialist in some complicated field (provided the west will be halfway stable at that point) |
Sinternet
09.08.16 | which question futures? |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "which question futures?"
"collectivism requires force by nature. what happens if i don't conform? you going to kill me?"
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Futures
09.08.16 | and why shouldn't they?
if that's what the market demands then no problem. however that's not likely |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | @ghost because Johnson also wants to abolish work age restrictions |
Futures
09.08.16 | i would like to see a source on that |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "I think we are definitely able to sustain it, as population is not the issue but distribution of resources."
okay, at what point do we consider the standard of living compromised enough (when distribution is perfectly equal) that it is justifiable to start coordinating to genocide to prevent it from falling any lower?
or is it more correct to continually diminish the standard of living as population grows until it hits a level low enough that the population thins due to disease and associated poverty-related death, and then run on the cycle of ebbing and flowing living standards and call it a success?
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GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | @ Ed - A negative income tax is the most logical thing to entirely scrap compartmentalized welfare bureaucratic nonsense.
@ Sinternet - You're right. I don't address your ramblings. By design. Cause, as you just demonstrated, you say things like someone who flips burgers should make $40,000 a year. You're not worth addressing. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | Johnson is retarded and I'm horrified that a few people who are genuinely not dumb are coming out as his supporters. (thinking of Dave Rubin for example) |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Need a source on that. Doubt Gary thinks a six year old can be working the factory shift. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | tbh i think the biggest problem with the world at the moment is that the population is a few billion too big |
Futures
09.08.16 | Johnson is retarded and I'm horrified that a few people who are genuinely not dumb are coming out as his supporters. (thinking of Dave Rubin for example)
just lol |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | How many times must Malthus die... |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "okay, at what point do we consider the standard of living compromised enough (when distribution is perfectly equal) that it is justifiable to start coordinating to genocide to prevent it from falling any lower?
or is it more correct to continually diminish the standard of living as population grows until it hits a level low enough that the population thins due to disease and associated poverty-related death, and then run on the cycle of ebbing and flowing living standards and call it a success?"
What thought experiment are you even running here. "Unlimited population" is not something we'll have to worry about. Societies that reach a certain lvl of economic and social freedoms (especially when women become more liberated), stop growing. Look at any of the western nations. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | John Bradshaw Layfield and the panel he was on, on Fox News, he (and they agreed) was talking about how he owns a grocery store in some other country and pays young boys to be baggers for minimum pay and that it's a good thing for them to learn before they get paid appropriately. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | @ Futures: Gary Johnson is okay on social issues but his economic proposals are horrible. He just looks okay compared to Shillary and the Donald. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Elaborate. |
Futures
09.08.16 | huh??? source? i think you have the wrong guy storm |
Futures
09.08.16 | jill steins economic proposals are flat out retarded. magic erase all student loan debt? free college? slave reparations? |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | ^ I never said Jill Stein was better xD. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | How dare you two. Stein is the undisputed MVP forever and always.
https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/715230945679380481
A gem a minute with her. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Need a source on that. Doubt Gary thinks a six year old can be working the factory shift."
He has stated many times about blasting away most restrictions on a companies ability to hire. |
Futures
09.08.16 | really don't know where you stand on economics then. the only other option is crony capitalism really |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | i'm looking for the source |
Futures
09.08.16 | alright |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "Societies that reach a certain lvl of economic and social freedoms (especially when women become more liberated), stop growing. Look at any of the western nations."
lol, that's the biggest load of shit. even if people don't continue to pump out kids at such a rapid rate, increased life expectancy --> larger population --> greater burden upon resources and greater issues of equitable distribution. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Slave reparations? Did she really say that? Holy fuck. |
Futures
09.08.16 | sach do you believe in eugenics? just curious |
Futures
09.08.16 | @ghost yep one of the first things on her platform actually lol |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | I D I O T. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | 40 ACRES AND A MULE! |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "sach do you believe in eugenics? just curious"
nah tbh. i mean, i can acknowledge its existence as a concept, but i find it detestable in pretty much every way. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "lol, that's the biggest load of shit. even if people don't continue to pump out kids at such a rapid rate, increased life expectancy --> larger population --> greater burden upon resources and greater issues of equitable distribution."
That doesn't mean that the population will grow indefinitely to a point where it becomes unsustainable, stating this as an unavoidable fact is an invalid extrapolation of the current trajectory.
"really don't know where you stand on economics then. the only other option is crony capitalism really"
Why do I have to be on any of these radical sides? Is there nothing between basically cutting most regulations, cutting back on social services, trying to balance the national debt etc. and slave reparations etc.? |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | That should be everyone's answer to that. Obviously it would work but it's a horrible evil. |
Futures
09.08.16 | a basic loser democrat? |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | Democrat is as much of a crony capitalist as a republican bruh.
I think you americans have a sad system where you can't even envision a decent economic policy xD |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "That doesn't mean that the population will grow indefinitely to a point where it becomes unsustainable,"
if you took china as a planet of its own rn, and ignored everything outside it, you'd tell me it is sustainable? |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | No cause it imports resources. Collectively though the world population is clearly sustainable. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "if you took china as a planet of its own rn, and ignored everything outside it, you'd tell me it is sustainable?"
No of course not, but why does it have to continue on that trajectory? The West is at least gradually waking up to the problems you're rightfully pointing towards. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "No of course not, but why does it have to continue on that trajectory"
so if the chinese population capped itself at this level, and the rest of the previous scenario remained the same, it would be sustainable? |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "Collectively though the world population is clearly sustainable."
Our current usage of fossil fuels, destruction of natural habitats etc is actually not sustainable at all. But it's not a problem that couldn't be rectified while having the same amount of people (or even a significant amount more) |
Futures
09.08.16 | i still would like a commie to answer my question |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Yeah us Americans with our adjusted GDP per capita higher than all Euro nations except Norway, Switzerland, and Luxemb are really struggling to achieve "decent" status. What with all 330 million of us achieving that level no less. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "so if the chinese population capped itself at this level, and the rest of the previous scenario remained the same, it would be sustainable?"
It could easily become sustainable by using renewable energies and changing a lot of their policies. (Maybe even have a population control law again, at least for a while) |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "But it's not a problem that couldn't be rectified while having the same amount of people (or even a significant amount more)"
considering the amount of land area solar/wind energy requires, the geographic inefficiencies of geothermal, and all the problems associated with so many other renewable energies; i feel like that's a load of shit. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Ed I mean that given future developments no artificial shifts need be made. Sustainability isn't a big issue at this time and likely will never be. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | NUCLEAR FUSION. Carbon neutral. Unlimited energy. Cheap as dirt. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | considering the instability of the climate, that's a pretty risky option for a lot of places |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Fission =/= fusion. Fission is infinitely more dangerous. Real life isn't Spiderman 2. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9fXiVVjIfM
holy fuck I found it |
Futures
09.08.16 | nuclear energy is the way of the future for sure |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | you also need massive input energy for fusion to happen, don't you? |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "considering the amount of land area solar/wind energy requires, the geographic inefficiencies of geothermal, and all the problems associated with so many other renewable energies; i feel like that's a load of shit."
Bruh. Leaving your china experiment for a sec, solar energy could potentially easily provide for the whole planet. The problem is just a matter of getting the right technology lined up before fucking ourselves over too hard. (which is a big problem agreed)
Nuclear energy is very risky. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | tbh, nuclear fusion is probably the best option, but even with issues of energy solved, it doesn't tackle the issue of agriculture being unable to sustain gargantuan population(s) |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | We are at the cusp of growing meat artificially sach. I don't think there is a problem that can't be solved by technologicial/scientific progress. |
Futures
09.08.16 | i have no problem with what gary said there. it's not like he's calling for child slavery jesus |
Futures
09.08.16 | jill stein nuclear energy plants are literally wmds |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | @futures I have no problem with the premise of the situation, but the solution to that is to completely abolish child labor laws??? that is that part that is absurd. |
Futures
09.08.16 | he didn't say abolish he said loosen up a bit. big difference |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Fusion isn't risky guys. It's not the same thing as fission. You can't have a meltdown like that. It's not susceptible to natural disasters. It doesn't blow up. |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "I don't think there is a problem that can't be solved by technologicial/scientific progress."
cultural/social tension |
iloveyouall
09.08.16 | "Fusion isn't risky guys"
i mean, uncontrolled fusion would create the sun, so.... it's by no means riskless. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Not the same thing dammit. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | before Gary Johnson realized black lives matter was revealing mass discrimination he thought the election of Obama meant that the USA was color blind and didn't discriminate anymore. He means so well and is a good person I believe. I think he's the most genuine person running or who has run at all this year other than Bernie Sanders. I just think he's not right about some stuff even though he means well. That is why I think I might vote for him. If not him I can't vote for anyone else. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Also we have no problem feeding the world population as is (way more food produced than consumed, tons wasted due to improper refrigeration and transportation) and we aren't even scratching the surface of GMOs, we pay people to NOT create more food (literally in the U.S. we do that), etc. We could feed 12 billion on current tech no problem. |
Futures
09.08.16 | that's what i like about gary the most. he is such an honest and genuine guy. he will tell you what he thinks whether you like it or not. gary and bernie know the problems they just have different solutions is all! |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | His "illegal immigrant" meltdown was pretty weird. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Bernie doesn't even remember where he lives fam. |
Futures
09.08.16 | eh it's whatever ghost. libertarians are against victimless crimes which crossing the border is. he just wants to be respectful. trump has literally made the term hateful |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Don't talk bad about Bernie |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Bernie has mismatched socks. |
Futures
09.08.16 | how can you not be pissed off that he sold out to the corporate establishment? |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | Hi didn't sell out, he tried to push through as many of his demands instead of just throwing a tantrum. |
Futures
09.08.16 | you can justify it all you want but after all the attacks against her it's a sell out. the biggest corporate puppet and proven habitual liar. also all the stuff with the clinton foundation is super sketchy |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | Alright I'm out. Enjoyed it Sach, Ed, Storm. Y'all were fun to talk to unlike some others up there. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | "You can justify it all you want but after all the attacks against her it's a sell out. the biggest corporate puppet and proven habitual liar. also all the stuff with the clinton foundation is super sketchy"
I dunno man, I agree with all the stuff about clinton 100%, but I still think it's better if he actually manages to pull her toward a few more sensible policies than just letting his campaign go down in flames and trying to rile up his supporters against her. (Some of them may even be dump enough to vote for trump instead, because let's be real there are a lot of troglodyte Bernie supporters)
@ Ghost, peace out man. |
Futures
09.08.16 | i think half would've flocked to stein and half to johnson. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | I think that WOULD be accurate if there was a snowballs chance in hell that Stein or Johnsons would actually an impact on the election. But due to the sickeningly stupid american election system, voting for them is pretty much useless. So I can see idiots going over to Trump instead. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Bernie going to Hillary may save us all from Trump so I can't fault the man.
peace out ghost |
Futures
09.08.16 | nah dude johnson might get into the debates and throw the election into the house. crazier things have happened like trump being the nominee |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | I can't see it happening tbh, system rig against independents is ridiculously strong and if it happens it will probably be engineered by the democrats to kill trump. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | umm the house would vote for Trump tho |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | I don't think he would throw it into the house, he will just care away a few points from trump and then Shillary will have it. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | what??? he takes more votes away from Hillary it's already been proven |
Futures
09.08.16 | have you seen some of his recent numbers? johnson is polling 25% in new mexico and 23% in utah. he is at 15% or higher in 15 states and double digits in 42 states. pretty impressive. |
magicuba
09.08.16 | -6 left and slightly libertarian.... |
Futures
09.08.16 | there's no way the house would vote for trump or hillary. trump is so unpopular among house republicans. johnson could end up being a compromise between the dems and republicans. |
Futures
09.08.16 | and it's proven he is taking like equal amounts from trump and hillary |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/50-state-poll/ |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | ya futures I have seen that it is impressive and heart warming that a 3rd party candidate can do that |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | okay johnsons recent numbers look better than I thought. If he can at least get into the debates, maybe he'll have an actual influence on the elections. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Johnson is definitely higher than 10 percent in the polls if you look at it a fair way. That ten percent number is bullshit. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | Ew Wyoming is 65 % Trump. Fuck that shithole. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | Stein stands a good chance of getting 5 percent of the popular vote which means that the 2020 election would feature 4 political parties for sure. Indeed 5 percent is the milestone set by the Federal Election Commission to be eligible for the Presidential Election Campaign Fund’s grant. The amount of public funding available to the minor party candidate is based on the ratio of the party’s popular vote in the preceding presidential election to the average popular vote of the two major party candidates in that election. |
RadicalEd
09.08.16 | Just get your shit together and get a decent electoral system USA. |
Futures
09.08.16 | yep that's the key really. johnson looks like a lock for 5% stein i think will fall off a little |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | yeah Johnson's a lock to make history with 5 percent and if stein gets it too then here we come with a real revolution baby |
Futures
09.08.16 | my bold prediction is if gary gets into the debates he wins it all |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | him being in the first debate would change everything. It's hilarious how he's acting all classy and respectful now saying he wouldn't attack trump when he said originally that the first thing he would say is "I climbed the 7 highest mountains, so Donald Trump is a pussy" Oh man I fell in love with that statement. |
Futures
09.08.16 | hahaha yeah. i mean seriously what a dude he climbed the seven summits and almost died in a paragliding accident. the dude is a legend even if you disagree with him |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | and he ran and owned his own fucking construction company. baller |
Futures
09.08.16 | might sound a little cheesy but he is the person i strive to be like. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | lol I can't blame you |
BenThatsMyJamin
09.08.16 | I'd really like to like Johnson but he keeps doing retarded shit like this: https://youtu.be/-xlmU9LvtAs
Maybe he's trying to win over all the crazy pc bernie hippies |
Storm In A Teacup
09.08.16 | it's not that bad |
BenThatsMyJamin
09.08.16 | It's a pretty big freak out
He literally becomes the sjw meme for two minutes |
americanohno
09.08.16 | Here's ya boi Gary Johnson making a fool of himself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j03Asdb09fg |
Snide
09.08.16 | Anyone who says Jill Stein is better than Gary Johnson is objectively wrong.
She legitimately believes (and has stated in an interview) that she believes that WiFi can fry children's brains. Not to mention her economic policies would cripple the US. I'm not trying to start a Libertarian vs Green Party debate, I'm trying to say that the Green Party's representative is a pretty damn poor pick.
Also, anyone who loses respect for another person due to their political beliefs is scum. Through and through. Sorry that you can't handle someone else having different viewpoints. |
americanohno
09.08.16 | YEah but blackmalachite you need to take this jill stein policy position into acct:
https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/762527920027873280
And that's why I'm voting Green in 2016 |
BenThatsMyJamin
09.08.16 | @americanohno gosh that's painful
@malachite they're both bad picks tbh. Literally all the LP had to do was pick a good candidate and they could've stormed up the polls and beaten the two party system in this dreadful election year. Them picking Gary Johnson will go down as one of the biggest tragedies in us election history. I personally would've gone for Austin Petersen who is fantastic policy-wise even though he's very young and not very presidential.
"Also, anyone who loses respect for another person due to their political beliefs is scum. Through and through."
Have always said that your beliefs aren't a reflection of your character. I've met some borderline racists who are lovely people and just grossly misinformed, but I won't hold that against them. Idc what anyone believes as long as they are a nice person at the end of the day |
zaruyache
09.08.16 | but if at "the end of the day" they are only nice to people of a certain skin color, is that really being "nice" at all? |
zaruyache
09.08.16 | "she believes that WiFi can fry children's brains."
didn't she actually say that we should apply skepticism and actually test things like this to make sure they're safe without just assuming? Something about "They do it in Europe; therefore we might wanna, too." or something.
quote:
"We should not be subjecting kids’ brains especially to that. And we don’t follow that issue in this country, but in Europe where they do, they have good precautions around wireless—maybe not good enough, because it’s very hard to study this stuff."
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Keyblade
09.08.16 | "Have always said that your beliefs aren't a reflection of your character. I've met some borderline racists who are lovely people and just grossly misinformed, but I won't hold that against them. Idc what anyone believes as long as they are a nice person at the end of the day"
yea nice to u as a white dude perhaps lol |
Polyethylene
09.08.16 | @GhostOfSarcasticBtrd I bet you call people "cucks" for attempting to sympathise with people of other social groups |
StarlessCore
09.08.16 | "I personally would've gone for Austin Petersen who is fantastic policy-wise even though he's very young and not very presidential. "
austin petersen is a moron |
BenThatsMyJamin
09.08.16 | "but if at "the end of the day" they are only nice to people of a certain skin color, is that really being "nice" at all?"
Well there's different levels, I said 'borderline' as if someone's a nice person but is slightly mistrustful of Arabs (generally due to a lack of education) I really couldn't care less, however I've never met someone who full on hates blacks who is a nice person politics aside
"austin petersen is a moron"
He did seem to go a bit crazy after he didn't get the nomination yah |
StarlessCore
09.08.16 | he was crazy before it. watch him in a debate. everything was just libertarian talking points. no subtstance, he doesn't have a presidential resume in the least. dudes a nut |
BenThatsMyJamin
09.08.16 | I liked his policies, but yeah I wouldn't want him as president. What I'm saying is he could've been the type of candidate to break the two party system. After trump won the nomination his popularity skyrocketed pretty dramatically as he was the only conservative candidate left in the race, and even though he'd have got fewer liberal votes than Gary I definitely think he could've got more overall. Gary has no spark or fire or appeal for either side really, other than he's not Hillary or Trump. There are so many millions of reluctant Trump voters atm who would switch in an instant if there was any other decent option |
StarlessCore
09.08.16 | gary johnson IS A DECENT OPTION |
Funeralopolis
09.08.16 | http://imgur.com/90aIcI2 |
americanohno
09.08.16 | The problem with Gary Johnson is he's running a national campaign which is something a third party can't possibly do. They just don't have the networks, money, campaigning experience et al to run the kind of campaign the dems and gop do. This year the LP should have run a campaign targeting primarily Utah and Idaho i.e. Mormons. But their dumbass candidate insulted Mormons and is running a milquetoast socially liberal/fiscally conservative plank that pays no lipservice to the Republicans (mormons and conservative catholics mostly) who won't vote for Trump. Now granted that isn't a large constituency but it is a constituency that might win you 2 states. Which happens to be 2 more than Gary Johnson's going to win.
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BenThatsMyJamin
09.08.16 | @starless No because the old and/or uninformed democrats/young women will all vote for Hillary. The young right wingers/stupid old right wingers will vote for trump. The only groups left are the #bernieorbust crybabies, for whom Johnson (or any libertarian) is waaay too fiscally conservative (socialism or freedom, choose one) and the paleoconservatives who all think Johnson is a Democrat in disguise. There are a few centrists and people who aren't too fussed as long as it's not trump or Hillary who might go for him but, especially in America, these are a tiny minority |
porcupinetheater
09.08.16 | E: -9.0
S: -9.03
America's so ingrained in the mindset of the two party system that if this election cycle couldn't break it, I don't think there's much that will, unfortunately. We'll keep fucking the world until it collapses. |
StarlessCore
09.08.16 | "@starless No because the old and/or uninformed democrats/young women will all vote for Hillary. The young right wingers/stupid old right wingers will vote for trump."
im a young right winger voting for gary johnson
to clarify trump isnt even right wing. no proof.
40 years of liberal talking points, donations to big democrats and democratic organizations, literally started his whole 'im a republican take care of vets kick out illegals' like a year ago |
BenThatsMyJamin
09.08.16 | "to clarify trump isnt even right wing. no proof. 40 years of liberal talking points, donations to big democrats and democratic organizations, literally started his whole 'im a republican take care of vets kick out illegals' like a year ago"
As a conservative, I'm very much aware. I don't know if you got the impression I was a fan of trumps, but I very much am not. When I said right-wingers I generally just meant those who vote Republican normally. In fact I'd normally say conservatives in that situation, but while a case can be made for Trump being right-wing (currently) he is certainly no conservative. I'm surprised being a young right winger you haven't been swept up in the whole alt right movement tbh. I would vote (if I were a US citizen) Gary if he had some kind of spark or angle to his campaign, I mean he barely even emphasises the importance of the Constitution, which should be the first thing on any libertarians list. In fact it's rather the opposite, he doesn't even seem to value the first amendment that much at all rly. Just such an uninspiring candidate all round |
Futures
09.08.16 | austin petersen lmao get real |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.08.16 | "@GhostOfSarcasticBtrd I bet you call people "cucks" for attempting to sympathise with people of other social groups"
Good call Poly. Nailed it. I'm a Trump voter. As easily discerned by all my above posts. I think black people should all go live in Liberia and any nonwhites are scum. Keyblade, it's your time bud. Go back to Africa or something. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | "Also, anyone who loses respect for another person due to their political beliefs is scum. Through and through. Sorry that you can't handle someone else having different viewpoints."
Well I can see that some economic conservative stuff could be the right thing to do and I could be wrong in my stance. Plus, the questions on this particular quiz are outdated and so much room for what subjects in question actually mean or lead to. Or take into account a completely third direction which leaves you to either hit Agree or Disagree because you know the only thing you can't do is select strongly agree/disagree. With all that said I have no problem losing respect for a grown adult who can't see in the 21st century that social equality is and social rights are requirements in the future positive evolution of this country world and people. Also climate change deniers who want to argue with most prominent scientists on the planet. |
porcupinetheater
09.09.16 | Yeah, anyone jumping on board with climate change denial is essentially helping to doom the human race |
anarchistfish
09.09.16 | "Also, anyone who loses respect for another person due to their political beliefs is scum. Through and through. Sorry that you can't handle someone else having different viewpoints."
Lol. Soz I don't wanna hang out with people that support systems I despise and whose harm I have seen and experienced first hand
oh nvm you use "sjw" unironically yea gfy buddy |
anarchistfish
09.09.16 | "With all that said I have no problem losing respect for a grown adult who can't see in the 21st century that social equality is and social rights are requirements in the future positive evolution of this country world and people. Also climate change deniers who want to argue with 97% of scientists on the planet."
word the fuck up |
zaruyache
09.09.16 | acknowledging climate change is good for the future because it paves the way for a whole new world of cleaner/renewable energy resources, which is something you'd think Conservatives would be in favor of bc free market and all that eh wot. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.09.16 | This will be my first and last post re climate change (you can respond to your heart's content but it will go unanswered) but for clarification the 97% number means as follows:
1) 97% of actively publishing climate scientists over the research period (of any variety, not only regarding sensitivity to greenhouse gases) who filled out a survey
2) Believe that the climate is becoming warmer
3) At least in part due to anthropogenic activities
https://twitter.com/richardabetts/status/335114187720237056 - Betts, a major player on the world climate stage, confirming as such in case you want an authoritative source.
Just so we're clear what that statistic is.
But oddly enough most conservatives are in favor of the only known scale-able carbon neutral energy source (nuclear) while lots of self-identified progressive and green party members are staunchly opposed to it. See Jill Stein as a perfect example of this, or all those old hippie types who protest at nuclear plants. |
Futures
09.09.16 | nuclear plants are literally wmds bro |
Sinternet
09.09.16 | hey guys |
Sinternet
09.09.16 | what is aleppo? |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | cringe |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | glad I'm not a full fledged Johnson supporter after that one but id still vote for him |
Futures
09.09.16 | he apologized and was honest. people moved on. the question didn't even have context. the guy literally said what would you do in aleppo? i doubt you knew what aleppo was either |
Futures
09.09.16 | is it more cringe than nuclear plants are literally wmds or we need slave reparations? |
ZippaThaRippa
09.09.16 | It's a city in Syria right, oldest city in the world
Well now it's the oldest pile of rubble
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theBoneyKing
09.09.16 | I'm a bit late to the party here but my results are (for better or for worse):
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64
Honestly I consider myself a bit more moderate than that though. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | I didn't know and I agree with you futures but it still hurts him because unfortunately that's how it's going to be spun |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | if they had asked, "what are you going to do about Syrian refugees" that would have been better |
Futures
09.09.16 | yeah it's unfortunate i guess now the media is attacking him he is legitimate lol. check this out though the nytimes ran a hit piece on this and literally got it wrong TWICE
Correction: September 8, 2016
An earlier version of this article misidentified the de facto capital of the Islamic State. It is Raqqa, in northern Syria, not Aleppo.
Correction: September 8, 2016
An earlier version of the above correction misidentified the Syrian capital as Aleppo. It is Damascus.
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Iamthe Nightstars
09.09.16 | Maybe Johnson should make more harmless gaffes like that so he'd get more media attention. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | or get really excited about climbing mountains and call Trump a pussy. that would get over on tv. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.09.16 | The Aleppo thing is embarassing but in practical terms means zero. Not even a little. If he's President he knows where Syria is and he knows what the refugee matter is about and his military and foreign policy experts will have substantially more knowledge than he or any individual candidate would ever be able to possess as they're dedicated positions. So, tangibly, it means nothing. Just fun to say he didn't know what it was. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.09.16 | I just wish more candidates would say the correct answer when asked about foreign policy matters that require specific knowledge known to a select few.
"I don't know, but my future advisers who would be specifically tasked with assessing that would be able to make better recommendations than I or any other person up on this stage could ever hope to. So I'd exercise deference to them in a manner aligned with my overall stance of non-interference." |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | Thus will actually probably help Johnson |
anarchistfish
09.09.16 | "But oddly enough most conservatives are in favor of the only known scale-able carbon neutral energy source (nuclear) while lots of self-identified progressive and green party members are staunchly opposed to it. See Jill Stein as a perfect example of this, or all those old hippie types who protest at nuclear plants."
Those particular progressives are clearly wrong, but lol at trying to portray the right wing as the real bastions of environmentalism. I'm not certain about conservatives as a whole (many are out-right climate change deniers for sure) but with how much climate change is down to aggressive free market policies the world over, corporate lobbying and the general fact that proper consideration for the environment is subordinate to profit for modern companies your comment is a fucking joke. This is like the Tories that claim they're the real feminists cos of Thatcher and May. |
anarchistfish
09.09.16 | "Johnson does not support any action by government to mitigate Global Warming stating: “In a healthy economy that allows the market to function unimpeded, consumers, innovators and personal choices will ultimately bring about the environmental restoration and protection society desires,”."
pls pls god No |
Polyethylene
09.09.16 | anarchistfish spittin some truth up in here |
Asdfp277
09.09.16 | anyone pretending capitalism will magically fix environmental problems and climate change must be clearly deluded, as we're seeing how it's not working, like, right now. it's been decades already
that, along with the clear issue of the income breach and that perfect markets don't even remotely exist, constitute the most widely spread critiques on capitalism, and anyone purporting on defending it must address those problems, as that's what causing the free market to lose its social license |
StarlessCore
09.09.16 | destroying industries right now wont reverse climate change |
StarlessCore
09.09.16 | "The Aleppo thing is embarassing but in practical terms means zero. Not even a little. If he's President he knows where Syria is and he knows what the refugee matter is about and his military and foreign policy experts will have substantially more knowledge than he or any individual candidate would ever be able to possess as they're dedicated positions. So, tangibly, it means nothing. Just fun to say he didn't know what it was."
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Asdfp277
09.09.16 | destroying anything usually doesn't help issues, what kind of reactionary answer is that |
StarlessCore
09.09.16 | ok so explain to me why right now we should do no pipelines and shut down coal mines. climate change is a global thing- not a us thing. should we discuss energy in russia or the conditions in china? THOSE people need to clean up |
Asdfp277
09.09.16 | blaming other people for doing the same thing you are doing rn isn't doing u nor ur posture any favors. besides, other, more socialist-oriented european countries seem to have made huge leaps in environmental issues as of late, while most developed, right-wing countries seem to be doing the worst among the richest (i.e. the us, compared to poorer countries like african ones)
didn't we have this exact same conversation at the global compact thingy. it goes to show the petty attitude capitalist apologists have towards this discussions, i'm not even going against capitalism as a whole and yet that's how u reply. let's elevate the discussion pls |
anarchistfish
09.09.16 | "ok so explain to me why right now we should do no pipelines and shut down coal mines. climate change is a global thing- not a us thing. should we discuss energy in russia or the conditions in china? THOSE people need to clean up"
No shit it's a global thing. That's why relying on a system based on individualism, rapid economic growth and the accumulation of personal wealth, a system that promotes unsustainable and excessive consumerism that lead to this ridiculous & unnecessary consumption of resources and energy is insane. And bro, where do you think your pencil sharpeners were made. China fucks the environment because we buy their shit en fucking masse to sustain our western lifestyles. Sure you can say that that's irrelevant to how they produce those goods but that's what's gonna happen when the top priority is immediate economic growth over all else.
"destroying industries right now wont reverse climate change"
I'm not sure anything can "reverse" it at this point |
StarlessCore
09.09.16 | lol im blaming nobody im providing context. we're spending 11% of our federal budget on paying interest back on money we spent that we didn't have. I'm more concerned with the financial stability and responsibility of our government than a superhero platform that short term harms the economy, physically removes good paying jobs, all in the name of something that isn't going to reverse the damage that society has done to the atmosphere. im all for transitioning to alt fuels and green energy, my issue is the people arguing for it want it done overnight, don't show concern for the short term effect on the economy and on the jobs of those in those industries, so on and so forth. there are polluters all over the world the us isnt the only country. the us minimizing environmental damage in the way its been gone about in recentg years does more significant damage to those jobs and our short term economy than it does for the impossible 'reversal' of climate change. china is building fortresses in the south china sea for gods sake do you think their concerned with clean air permits? not excusing it. providing perspective that you shouldn't vote for somebody whose gonna spend more and more and more money cutting jobs off the face of the earth and demonizing the coal industry |
anarchistfish
09.09.16 | The economy isn't this palpable body that needs constant nourishing or else humanity dies. It only describes the system of relations that currently exists in order to use the worlds resources and somewhat sustain us as a species, but we've come to this point where we can't imagine any other alternate system so we have to keep feeding into the ideology. Which is why you're now telling me keeping jobs to keep consuming an excess level of resources is more important than stopping a worldwide apocalypse. This is why we are actually fucked. |
StarlessCore
09.09.16 | "No shit it's a global thing. That's why relying on a system based on individualism, rapid economic growth and the accumulation of personal wealth, a system that promotes unsustainable and excessive consumerism that lead to this ridiculous & unnecessary consumption of resources and energy is insane. And bro, where do you think your pencil sharpeners were made. China fucks the environment because we buy their shit en fucking masse."
english lib doosh |
StarlessCore
09.09.16 | to clarify, i know exactly where our pencil sharpeners are made. plz dont talk down to me |
anarchistfish
09.09.16 | ugh |
StarlessCore
09.09.16 | nah ur right fish it cant be argued the government should decide how everybody spends their money that they work hard for and nobody should drive a lexus because people in africa are starving
also
"system based on individualism, rapid economic growth and the accumulation of personal wealth"
sounds good 2 me |
StarlessCore
09.09.16 | "I'm not certain about conservatives as a whole (many are out-right climate change deniers for sure)"
im not even sure its that any more
i dont think they deny it deep down. i think they deny it because it conflicts with the policies they want to enact |
anarchistfish
09.09.16 | nothing about capitalism makes value paid equivalent to how hard you've worked. you only have to look at china for that
"sounds good 2 me"
well the world is a bit fucked right now so maybe we should put those wonderful ideals on hold |
anarchistfish
09.09.16 | "Also, anyone who loses respect for another person due to their political beliefs is scum. "
- another cunt |
NeroCorleone80
09.09.16 | yeah capitalism is about working hard... for other people. There needs to be more democracy to it. |
Snide
09.09.16 | No-one in here knew what Aleppo was until it became trendy to know so, stop acting like holier-than-thou fucks. |
Keyblade
09.09.16 | speak for urself fam |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | That wasn't providing context that was shifting blame to ignore the problem. You frame shit like a dumbass with that one sentence so that I could not bring myself to read the rest of what you said |
zaruyache
09.09.16 | none of us are hoping to be in charge of the country's foreign policy tho snide, sooooo it's kind of a different situation for him. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | And no starless it affects their money not their policies. The policies are made by capitalist companies. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | Aleppo hasn't really been in the news. Syria is in the news. It's not the capital of the entire country just the province. It's the biggest city population wise by only 40,000. The new York times had to look up Aleppo to publish the story about Johnson yesterday. The actual question was fucking stupid and inappropriate because the real question at its most basi is "what are you going to do about Syria" not what the fuck are you going to do about a city in the whole fucking devastated country. Fucking jackasses. Either way Johnson won't help environmentally so who fucking cares anyway. |
DinosaurJones
09.09.16 | I've learned a lot from reading this thread, and it's been very civil throughout.
I gotta say, sput, I'm proud of u, fam. |
Sinternet
09.09.16 | 'No-one in here knew what Aleppo was until it became trendy to know so, stop acting like holier-than-thou fucks.'
you know except if you had a basic understanding of current affairs at all |
Sinternet
09.09.16 | 'I've learned a lot from reading this thread, and it's been very civil throughout. '
yeah this has probably been the most civil political discussion i've ever seen on sput |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | I know I couldn't believe it the other day when no one got upset or called a fag lol |
Keyblade
09.09.16 | or just know ppl from syria, or even a lil bit about history. it's one of the if not the most ancient city in the world |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | @sinternet no I strongly disagree as much as I keep up with news I didn't know about Aleppo and I watch at least 2 hours of news a day. Im sure I've heard about it in the past months but I'm not going to bother remembering what a city in Syria is called. I know everything else about the situation and everything else is more relevant than a name of a city where multiple cities and a whole country are ravaged including chemical warfare |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | I worked for 3 months with a Syrian refugee and she never talked about Aleppo. And we did talk about Syria. She really hates America tho and she's only 17 |
smaugman
09.09.16 | i bet you're american |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | Worse. I'm Oklahoman. |
Snide
09.09.16 | "Worse. I'm Oklahoman."
I'm sorry for your loss. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | I bet people in other countries don't know all the stuff going on in the 50 states and our territories either so it's actually not fair to criticize Americans for being ignorant of a dr dozen major issues in the world out of a million. We have 50 states that are all seperate from each other so if you don't mind we will need time to get though those 50 before the rest of the world. |
BallsDeep
09.09.16 | Threads far too intellectual for me. not really sure what to contribute.. fuck isis, fuck mexico, fuck boat people, fuck the US, fuck trump, fuck Lars Ulrich, fuck cancer, fuck futures, fuck the free world |
Sinternet
09.09.16 | '@sinternet no I strongly disagree as much as I keep up with news I didn't know about Aleppo and I watch at least 2 hours of news a day. Im sure I've heard about it in the past months but I'm not going to bother remembering what a city in Syria is called. I know everything else about the situation and everything else is more relevant than a name of a city where multiple cities and a whole country are ravaged including chemical warfare'
thats fair enough i guess, maybe it just comes down to what sources you use for information. I usually read the Guardian so they report on it quite a lot. |
StarlessCore
09.09.16 | "nothing about capitalism makes value paid equivalent to how hard you've worked. you only have to look at china for that"
who said dat
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Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | @sinternet I use The Young Turks, Secular Talk, Google news swipe, nypost(wanted to kill them when Bernie was running). TYT usually references all the major news sources in America. |
BallsDeep
09.09.16 | Sinternet you watch at least 2 hours of news a day!? Jesus fuck that would send me into a dark, nihilistic depression. the shits basically designed to do that to you |
StarlessCore
09.09.16 | he watches 2 hours of news every day and is still a socialist |
BeyondCosby
09.09.16 | Typically align libertarian. Ron Paul's "The Revolution" is an incredibly important political book and a must read for anyone even remotely interested in politics. |
beefshoes
09.09.16 | I'm a social democrat (centre-left) on economics, a liberal on social issues, and I'm a constructionist on international relations. That being said, ideologues are toxic and I'm open to studying and considering all schools of thought. |
zakalwe
09.09.16 | Libertarian this, authortarian that. Cuck that, SJW the other. Democrat one way, republican this.
You cunts ever going to question the possibility of binning the lot and actually think about shit? |
DinosaurJones
09.09.16 | EVERYONE NEEDS LABELS, ZAK |
zakalwe
09.09.16 | I wish I was yank.
I'd rattle cages to fuck and do it in a voice that wasn't whiny or obnoxious. |
Futures
09.09.16 | since no commie retard ever answered my question i'm assuming i'm right |
zakalwe
09.09.16 | What's the question dude? I've had a skim and I've seen something about the NY times or summink. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | That was me who said 2 hours of news a day not sinternet. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | "should nuclear power plants be considered wmds or do we need slave reperations" is what futures question was I think |
BallsDeep
09.09.16 | Mind the red herring but doesn't anyone else find it ridiculous how people feel the need to label themselves and conform to a particular political ideology? Use these oversimplified extreme political mindsets as reference points when tackling issues on a case by case basis. Surely that seems the logical way to look at it anyway.
tl;dr you cant stick a label on BallsDeep |
Futures
09.09.16 | collectivism requires force by nature. what happens if i don't conform? you going to kill me?
this is the question actually |
zakalwe
09.09.16 | lol. What's with the babble?
Nuclear power plants are obviously a massive environmental concern but doesn't that go hand in hand with an ever increasing population whose demands are accelerating?
I'm gonna knit flags and see what happens. |
Tunaboy45
09.09.16 | heal the world
make it a better place
for you and for me and the entire human race < 3 |
StarlessCore
09.09.16 | "You cunts ever going to question the possibility of binning the lot and actually think about shit?"
moron |
zakalwe
09.09.16 | Righto.
Your answering a question with a question. I'd say fuck 'em. |
Tunaboy45
09.09.16 | ugh why can't we just have world peace, wars are so stupid! |
BeyondCosby
09.09.16 | @zakalwe The question asked you to label yourself. As long as you're open to new ideas and don't allow the label to define how you act you aren't a sheep.
The american system needs an overhaul but that's never gonna happen so it's a pointless question. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | I think we should take some fuck and put it on the wall... |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | Being negative just makes you insignificant to those seeking solutions. Move out the way. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.09.16 | And then if we take that fuck and put it in a bowl now take some shit and throw it on the wall |
Alondite
09.09.16 | The number of people on Sputnik music who think that leftist economic principals are OK is too damn high. That whole ideology is pretty much patently garbage for more reasons that I've either the time or inclination to list.
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Futures
09.09.16 | true |
zaruyache
09.09.16 | if we don't perfect nuclear power plants we'll never get flying cars or make meaningful progress toward non-awful outer-space travel so we should probably get on that. |
worthlessscab
09.09.16 | Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33
libertarian, but I'm also for UBI and with people not having to worry about making ends meet, focusing on solving the problem of scarcity and from there left and right is irrelevant. |
anarchistfish
09.10.16 | "collectivism requires force by nature. what happens if i don't conform? you going to kill me?"
conform to what... yeah we could kill you, or just ignore you
""You cunts ever going to question the possibility of binning the lot and actually think about shit?"
moron"
it doesn't even surprise me that we are totally ideologically opposed but we can both agree zak is a moron |
Sinternet
09.10.16 | 'The number of people on Sputnik music who think that leftist economic principals are OK is too damn high. That whole ideology is pretty much patently garbage for more reasons that I've either the time or inclination to list. '
your whole thing is wrong but i cant think why so im not gonna justify my statement! |
StarlessCore
09.10.16 | "it doesn't even surprise me that we are totally ideologically opposed but we can both agree zak is a moron"
agreed |
anarchistfish
09.10.16 | You know, (as an example), there's some interesting research into how the level of individualism/collectivism in a culture affects acceptance of socially reticent behaviours and levels of social anxiety. There's the idea that in collectivist cultures an imperative to maintain overall harmony would lead to greater anxiety around conformity (East Asia) but then there's the contrast that collectivism would encourage greater acceptance of fellow man etc (Latin America). Obviously it's way more complex than this but the point is societies are complex and these kind of things are very culturally specific, so making essentialist statements about a vague un-contextualised term like "collectivism" is really dumb. It's not like in individualistic countries there isn't a huge pressure to conform too. If you don't you end up shunned, stigmatised, in prison, whatever. We still live in a certain structure of relations that requires a degree of conformity to its norms and a statement to the contrary is just silly ideological essentialism.
If you're interested:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3058376/ |
iloveyouall
09.10.16 | strong point fishy boy, but I guess the one problem that remains is that the successful (or perhaps more aptly, stable) function of collectivist systems relies much more heavily upon harmony within society. disharmony, especially in regards to the sentiments towards the system itself, has a much more profound effect in and upon collectivist systems (take for example in west germany in the times immediately before the destruction of the berlin wall, in which there were instances of people needlessly accumulating the publicly provided goods only to cause disharmony within the system). admittedly, that is not an issue of the system itself though, rather an issue of the divergent/stochastic nature/behaviour(s) of people, but such an emphasis on necessitating conformity will always pose issues without strict authoritarian rule (perhaps the largest flaw/fallacy of social libertarianism). |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.10.16 | LEAVE ZAK ALONE! |
anarchistfish
09.10.16 | I guess the solution would be finding a way to allow the system to perpetuate itself continuously regardless of a minority of dissidents much like capitalism does today. How that would look like though I have no idea. |
Asdfp277
09.10.16 | well, i think it's pretty patent that social & cultural systems are way more complex than just economic systems, as they rely on a wide variety of variables that are hard to account for
here i am, captain obvious to the rescue! |
Asdfp277
09.10.16 | or u can apply some brand management up this bitch, i don't know |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.10.16 | "worldwide apocalypse. This is why we are actually fucked." - This is why I'm not gonna argue about climate change itself on Sput, haha.
But I will address your side points:
1) "rapid economic growth and the accumulation of personal wealth, a system that promotes unsustainable and excessive consumerism that lead to this ridiculous & unnecessary consumption of resources and energy is insane" - This is always a fun admission from socialists wherein they otherwise argue capitalism doesn't grow an economy and then when talking about the issue of the environment pivot 180 degrees to say it's in fact so good at doing so that it needs to be curbed or else we all die.
2) "but lol at trying to portray the right wing as the real bastions of environmentalism." - This isn't just me at all, lots of high profile people (and even big name climate scientists) have noted this irony as well. See http://ideas.time.com/2013/09/27/the-right-just-might-save-the-planet/ for a brief example.
Further, they actually have done studies (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/greenpolitics/10965887/People-who-claim-to-worry-about-climate-change-use-more-electricity.html, for one) and people who are less concerned about it or deny its existence altogether have lower carbon footprints than those who worry about it. Take your Clooney or Leo, e.g. They think because they own Teslas (among god knows how many other cars/planes/boats) they are saints, but they have FUCKING MASSIVE personal energy use.
Let's take you. How many flights have you been on in the past ten years, fish? Cause the average backwater Alabaman hick probably hasn't even left the state more than twice in that time.
The truth is that we all like nice shit. Nice shit requires energy. Don't focus on reducing energy use, focus on generating it cleaner. That is done via nuclear and nothing else presently known to us. Nuclear is very supported on the political right, and very opposed on the political left. You can deny this funny state of affairs all you want but you can't change the reality of it. |
Asdfp277
09.10.16 | ad hominem + not controlling for variables such as income when talking about expenditure -- as if right-wing people of high income don't consume stuff either. ergo, you're full of it |
Futures
09.10.16 | lol incredible response ass420 |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.10.16 | I don't address him anymore, after the earlier back and forth in this thread he's dead to me. |
Asdfp277
09.10.16 | grasping for straws |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.10.16 | Fish I just wanna say I'm not arguing the right "cares" about the environment more, or even at all. Just like I don't think corporations that have third world sweat shops "care" about the inhabitants. But at the end of the day the concerned leftists aren't the ones advocating for nuclear or providing factory positions that lift people away from scavenging, petty theft, and prostitution. Intent and results are different things, and I'd argue the latter is far more important. |
Snide
09.10.16 | I really didn't expect this thread to still be going. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.10.16 | Dude yeah now it's on. Plus my fuck shit stack is almost done cooking so I thought we could enjoy it together |
Storm In A Teacup
09.10.16 | I unfortunately think it's time to take out North Korea. Having 3 ballistic missiles land 150 miles from Japan and a fucking nuclear bomb explosion earlier today, they are clearly the biggest threat in the world unlike anyone else including ISIS. I didn't even want to mention ISIS because the media will move the story back to ISIS instead of saying we should be doing anything about Korea. |
Futures
09.10.16 | lol no. we need to work diplomatically with china to solve the problem. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.10.16 | You don't think we need to stop having 1st world countries represent their inferior allies? Japan has every right to be freaking out right now. That explosion earlier was not something to politic about. If China doesn't take immediate action now it is time for someone to do something about it. We absolutely can't bomb them and need to learn from the past, but sanctions do nothing because Kim doesn't give a fuck. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.10.16 | And we can't just do NOTHING. |
Futures
09.10.16 | working with china is literally the only option. sad obama is just sitting on his ass. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.10.16 | Just get every country in the world to tell China enough is enough you are North Korea's ally and we are done watching what they are doing and if China still does nothing, sanction China economically too. |
Futures
09.10.16 | if we put economic sanctions of china it would cripple our economy dude |
Storm In A Teacup
09.10.16 | well the idea is the threat of sanctions would inspire China to act, but between economic collapse and just one city being destroyed with a nuclear weapon in any country....I'm willing to risk having some balls instead of just allowing an hostile nation to continue developing and testing now confirmed nuclear weapons. |
Futures
09.10.16 | i just don't think we are in the position to threaten china especially considering how much money we owe them lol |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
09.10.16 | He's bombing the shit out dat ocean fam. |
Storm In A Teacup
09.10.16 | not really futures. bringing up the debt thing is almost flippant background minor shit that is completely unrelated and leaders aren't going to worry or talk about. China and the US and all these other countries have a million business deals going back and forth. China isn't trying to fuck it all up either. |
BallsDeep
09.10.16 | Trump will singlehandedly do that for you |
BallsDeep
09.10.16 | The man needs to be assassinated quite frankly |
Storm In A Teacup
09.10.16 | People have already tried |
Storm In A Teacup
09.12.16 | damnit hillary |
Snide
09.17.16 | This thread, holy shit. |
Artuma
09.17.16 | Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36
pretty accurate i'd say |
Storm In A Teacup
09.18.16 | yeah this has a fuck shit stack of all kinds of comments |
