Snide: Competitive Pokemon

Snide 09.06.16	Kyurem-B is still an underestimated monster.
guitarded_chuck 09.06.16	gen 1 or nerd
Snide 09.06.16	"gen 1 or nerd" #Gen3MasterRace
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Why Jolteon over Thundurus?
Snide 09.06.16	@Steak: 130 Speed compared to 111, I'm not one for running Prankster Thundy either.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	I think Prankster Thundy is way too good because of how broken priority Thunder Wave is
AdoreSwancore 09.06.16	So now we have 2 lists for Pokemon (Sputnik has instantly just got way better) and damn that team doesn't care about trying to play defensive
guitarded_chuck 09.06.16	i play gen 1 random on pokemon showdown and am on the top ladder fuck u to whoever showed me that my work productivity has dropped considerably
Ebola 09.06.16	Lead Aerodactly master race Focus Sash, Jolly Taunt Stealth Rocks Earthquake Stone Edge
demigod! 09.06.16	i've always been interested in competitive pokemon but the whole breeding/ev training process seems like the biggest chore in the world
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	@demigod! that's what Showdown is for
AdoreSwancore 09.06.16	And well he already has priority will o wisp so he doesn't necessarily need another priority status
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	@AdoreSwancore and what if a Megazard X gets to +1 speed? He gets swept
Snide 09.06.16	Prankster Thundy was actually the reason it was banned for a while; although whenever I run into a Thundy I usually just switch to Jolteon and HP Ice (or something else if I predict a switch) the shit out of it. Ironically Jolteon is my answer for Thundy.
BallsDeep 09.06.16	I won a pokemon tournament at my local shops in like 03 (Gameboy advances) and got a free DS if that counts.
demigod! 09.06.16	woah gotta check that then
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Didn't see the Diancie, but if that's gone a +1 Megazard X desroys
Snide 09.06.16	@Swancore: I'm not a stall player, haven't been since I used to fuck around in Gen 5's weather wars with Parasect and my trolly rain team.
demigod! 09.06.16	@ballsdeep that's pretty rad, do you remember you team?
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	How long have you played? I've played since late gen 4
Snide 09.06.16	I started playing the original games back in gen one but I didn't get into the competitive scene until late gen 4 same as you, right on the cusp of gen 5's release actually.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Yea I meant competitively haha, I've played the in-game since gen 1 as well. Gen 5 was easily my favorite, the weather wars were the best
AdoreSwancore 09.06.16	@SteakByrnes true but I was only giving reasoning behind not making that one change, like personally I think this team needs more walls if anything
Ebola 09.06.16	Been playing competitive since Gen 4. The only game that's ever kept my attention for even close to that long.
Snide 09.06.16	My answer for Mega Zard is usually to predict a switch with Breloom and Rock Tomb it (boosted by Technician + an assured Speed drop)
Snide 09.06.16	Dude I miss the weather wars so much, it sucks that Gen 6 removed the infinite turn setting for ability set weather.
AdoreSwancore 09.06.16	@BlackMalachite still there is a middle ground between all out attack and a stall team, I'm guess I'm just being a little biased as I always start my team building by having at least a defensive and special defensive core
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	That's not a very good answer for Mega Zard X. Diancie is your only real answer, I think Heatran would work well on the team if you replaced Sableye with it
AdoreSwancore 09.06.16	Nah infinite weather was annoying gen 5 was pretty much all weather teams
Ebola 09.06.16	I hated the weather spam so much tbh
Snide 09.06.16	@Swan: Hyper Offensive kinda is the name of the game in Gen 6 though. Mine's not even standard in terms of hyper offense.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	But yea fuck the weather nerf, it killed so many Pokemon
BallsDeep 09.06.16	oh I also managed to get to 2nd in the world ranking on pokemon crater in 07 (on a joint account with 2 friends) until we got hacked and lost everything and hated my life for about a week @Demigod Nah I cant remember it for certain but If I had to take a guess it was Tyrannitar, Kingdra and Alakazam (we were only allowed 3 pokemon team to keep the games moving quickly guess)
Snide 09.06.16	@Steak: Sableye I rely on for too many threats to remove him for Heatran. Besides, usually I'm also able to predict and Magic Bounce a Stealth Rock back onto my opponent's team using Mega Diance, or just take care of it with Breloom. I've never really had too many issues with Zard X, or Zard Y. @Ebola: why'd you hate weather spam?
BallsDeep 09.06.16	nice to see 2 on the list as well
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Well if you don't face any Zard problems then I guess you're fine. Also I just noticed that if you took Sableye off then you got bodied by Sand Rush Excadrill, so better to keep it haha
AdoreSwancore 09.06.16	@SteakBrynes heatran would also make his team kind of ground weak
AdoreSwancore 09.06.16	Damn it as soon as I finish typing you realised anyway
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	@AdoreSwancore Very true, only Ground answer would be Talonflame, which isn't the best answer considering a lot of Pokemon that carry Earthquake also carry Stone Edge/Rock Slide
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Haha yea I realized
Snide 09.06.16	Excadrill isn't too much of a problem thanks to Mach Punch because most modern players don't think "oh, Excadrill's defenses are shit" and basically put no EV investment into HP.
AlexKzillion 09.06.16	I'm still very new to this. All I know is that a cursed up Umbreon is fucking unstoppable.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Yea Breloom is a good panic button for Excadrill, just make sure it doesn't get knocked out before Excadrill decides to sweep haha
Snide 09.06.16	@Alex: Not really, Will-O-Wisp nullifies the boosted attack (although Synchronize ability is a bitch to anything that isn't a fire type), also Calm Mind +1 Mega Diancie Moonblast OHKOs it while Umbreon can't do much back even at +2 Curse. Too many faeries in OU for Umbreon to make much of a mark bar being a decent cleric. @Steak: Usually I don't bring my Breloom out until later in the match anyways so I'm good on that lol.
Snide 09.06.16	Also, does anyone in here still run Rain teams? I occasionally run Specs Politoed on one of my other teams with some relatively successful results.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Umbreon with attacking moves is very bad actually, and attempting to set up with it would be a nightmare. If you want an unstoppable tank than just go with Rest Talk Calm Mind Suicune, the once best Pokemon in all of standard play
Snide 09.06.16	@Steak: I actually still run CroCune Suicune on a few of my teams. It still destroys, especially with Scald.
PistolPete 09.06.16	I have a Blaziken that wrecks kids. Pokemon #: Blaziken (either with Blazikenite or Life Orb) Ability: Speed Boost EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Speed Nature: Adamant Moves: Flare Blitz Hi-Jump Kick Hone Claws Protect He sucks against a few select guys tho: Starmie, Tentacruel particularly
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	I rarely run rain teams anymore, they just don't pack the same punch as they used to. At least you can run Drizzle + Swift Swim now
Snide 09.06.16	@Pistol: Blaziken is banned in OU, so honestly those HP EVs aren't necessary. The high stats in Ubers basically mean Blaziken is gonna get OHKOd anyways. I'd recommend just upping the speed EVs to 252 and running an additional coverage move instead of protect, but that's just me.
Snide 09.06.16	@Steak: Wait Swift Swim + Drizzle was unbanned what? Does that mean I can bring out my baby Kingdra once again?
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	I never run Mega Blaziken, regular Blaziken with a Life Orb hits harder anyway. Plus why run Mega Blaziken when there is Mega Salamence, the next most broken thing to Mega Rayquaza
AlexKzillion 09.06.16	The only problems I've had with Umbreon have been Toxics/Will O Wisps cause I don't pack heal bell a lot of the time. Also this may sound completely retarded right here but I don't think I've ever seen a Diancie. I've sweeped teams with cursed up Umbreon in OU and seems to be the only pokemon I 100% know what I'm doing with so I have one on almost all my teams. And since I use Curse I always run Payback.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	@BlackMalachite Yea they lifted the ban at the beginning of gen 6 because of the weather nerf
PistolPete 09.06.16	Yeah I still want mine useable for main game but I know. Protect is so he gets at least one speed boost in. Good advice though!
Snide 09.06.16	@Pistol: Yeah, I know people usually use that for the Speed Boost but I'd rather just attack on the first step, take chances and have an additional coverage move for usual checks that people will bring out for various Speed Boost users (Sharpedo has such a nice ass movepool for example) @Alex: The problem is that Umbreon's base attack is 65 which is absolutely pitiful. Without 3-4 Curse boosts, it basically can't do anything. Relying on that many boosts to make a Pokemon offensively viable is just that, unviable. @Steak: Fuck, I'm gonna go build a new rain team just because of Kingdra.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	@BlackMalachite I find that specs Kingdra performs the best in rain this gen, at least from what I've experienced. Mixed with an Orb also puts in a lot of work
AlexKzillion 09.06.16	I've maxed my attack/defense plenty of times with curse actually. The faster you get the first couple ones in the easier it is to keep stacking them.
Snide 09.06.16	@Alex: What set do you run specifically with Umbreon, I want to run some damage calcs for you? @Steak: I'm gonna try that, Specs Kingdra seems great. What about Band Kingdra
Ebola 09.06.16	Drizzle + Vaporeon w/ Hydration is godly
AdoreSwancore 09.06.16	Yeah the only really viable offensive move on umbreon is foul play just because it doesn't use it's atrocious attack stat
Snide 09.06.16	@Ebola: Speaking of Water types, I'm super happy that Manaphy was unbanned in OU in Gen 6. Tail Glow is absolutely monstrous.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	@BlackMalachite I don't really think Kingdra has the coverage needed for a Banded set. However if you do want a fully physical Kingdra you could run Dragon Dance, Waterfall, Outrage, and Iron Head with a Life Orb. If you do want Banded tho, run those three attacks with Ice Beam and a Naive nature
AlexKzillion 09.06.16	Umbreon @ Leftovers Ability: Synchronize EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD Sassy Nature - Protect - Payback - Curse - Wish
Snide 09.06.16	@Steak: Only reason I say banded is because Iron Head can be a nasty surprise for dem Faeries. I'm a little disappointed that Kingdra doesn't have access to a physical ice move. @Alex: Why Protect and not Heal Bell? Scouting on Umbreon is fairly useless due to pretty much assured switch ins.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	@Alex Why do you have Max Defense EVs on a Curse mon? You're better off putting that 252 into HP, and 4 into either Defense or Attack if you're running this set
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	@BlackMalachite The Pokemon that truly deserves a good physical Ice type move is Kyurem-B, even Ice Punch would be good to have
Snide 09.06.16	@Steak: Yeah, but then again I'm a little bit thankful that Kyurem-B doesn't have a Physical ice type move because that's one of the reasons it moved down into OU in the first place. Although with how the metagame is now, I doubt it would be banned from OU if they gave it a Physical Ice move.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Yea, it's Speed leaves a little to be desired, and that's truly what is holding Kyurem-B back from demolishing everything in OU. It has solid bulk, a huge Attack stat and a respectable Special Attack stat, but that Speed just isn't fast anymore and hasn't been since gen 2. Base 110 is the benchmark nowadays
AlexKzillion 09.06.16	I use Protect for stalling as well as wish + leftover replenishing. Normally when I'm in a bad position I throw a toxic and then switch to Umbreon and stall it out. I've tried switcing Protect with other moves like Toxic and Heal Bell but it just doesn't work for me/I'm still too amuetuer to use it correctly. I've honestly never thought about that you're right Brynes.
BallsDeep 09.06.16	nerds
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Embrace the nerds
CaimanJesus 09.06.16	Reading this made me curious so I tried out pokemon showdown, and it was pretty fun.
Snide 09.06.16	Caiman what's your starting team? It's really super fun to make your own teams and see just how much you can spin up the metagame.
CaimanJesus 09.06.16	I was just using randomly generated teams. I only played 3 matches. I won 2, and the other guy forfeited the last one.
BallsDeep 09.06.16	A bit of a red herring here (magikarp? hoho) but wtf is the deal with the latest 2 generations of pokemon being ice cream cones and lamps and god knows what.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	The same reason why there was a pile of sludge, six eggs that evolve into a tree with eggs on it, and magnets. There are great designs and bad designs in every gen
BallsDeep 09.06.16	come to think of it Gen 1 was pretty poor too - a pokeball with eyes, a literal turd with eyes, 3 turds with eyes, a purple jelly , a pink jelly , a rat, a bigger rat, a rock with arms, a slightly bigger rock with arms and legs, a magnet, several magnets stuck together, a series of cracked eggs with eyes. They were always scraping the bottom of the barrel with their designs weren't they
BallsDeep 09.06.16	beat me to it
Shadowmire 09.06.16	i played a lot of competitive pokemon in gen 3 suffice to say those days are long past
Snide 09.06.16	Gen 6 (X, Y, Omega Ruby, Alpha Sapphire) had some bomb ass designs. Avalugg, a literally walking glacier, and Trevenant, a hollowed out reaper tree, not to mention a bunch of the other cool designs.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Haha yea, every gen has its ups and downs for Pokemon designs
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Plus one of the best designed Pokemon (in my opinion at least) came from gen 5, that being Haxorus
Snide 09.06.16	Gen 1's still the worst Gen for me honestly. Fire Red and Leaf Green are the only renditions worth a damn. At least Gen 2 is fun to go back and play without its flaws being glaringly obvious.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	@BlackMalachite I share the same opinion, Gen 1's mechanics are so bad
BallsDeep 09.06.16	I think they really shit the bed with the legendaries in gen 5 and 6 they look more like digimon then pokemon
Snide 09.06.16	@Steak: Gen 5 was the second worst for me; bar some cool designs, and the surprisingly competent narrative (N is bar far one of the best written characters in the entire series, both game, and show), it made some really frustrating design choices. Gen 6 got me reinvigorated with Wonder Trade and the GTS system, which actually made completing the Pokedex possible (which I recently completed the Global Dex on Alpha Sapphire for the fourth time)
Snide 09.06.16	@Balls: What? Gen 6's legendaries were all lit, and Kyurem from Gen 5 was fantastic.
CaimanJesus 09.06.16	I've never played past gen 2, but I can't go back and play gen 1 anymore. Last time I tried I stopped when I saw gust was classified as a normal move
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Gen 5 is easily my favorite overall. I love the designs of the Pokemon, I love the Pokemon themselves, the story is actually good, the visuals are fantastic and look the best (much better than the 3D models imo), plus the competitive is my favorite. Gen 3 is my second favorite for various reasons, biggest one being that my favorite Pokemon Salamence comes from gen 3
Snide 09.06.16	Caiman, just get a 3DS and wait for Sun and Moon dude. The modern generation of Pokemon is fucking fantastic.
BallsDeep 09.06.16	Gen 1 had some boss designs tho like Gyarados, Arcanaine, scyther and Mewtwo but yeah they were pretty dodgy, just wtf is Jynx supposed to be anyway? Looks like a crossdressing hooker with blackface
Snide 09.06.16	Steak, I will agree that Gen 5 competitive was the most fun, and the visuals were the best for the sprited games, but I love the 3D look way more. Reminds me of XD Gale of Darkness which is one of my favorite Gamecube games of all time.
Snide 09.06.16	Gen 1 gave us Haunter which my best friend and I both have matching tattoos of on the back of our left arms, so I can't be too mad at it.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	I don't know exactly what it is about the 3D models, but I really can't bring myself to like them. At least Sun and Moon did away with the Chibi models for the overworld
Keyblade 09.06.16	man I didn't know ppl were this into pokemon competitively
Snide 09.06.16	@Keyblade: Pokemon competitively isn't at the levels of something like League of Legends, but it's still one of the biggest active competitive communities in gaming. @Steak: I love the new look of Sun and Moon, and the Alola forms have me hyped to no end.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	Sun and Moon look like they're shaping up to be the best games in the series easily. I just wish they'd reveal more than only gen 1 Pokemon for the Alolan forms, because I'd love to see more Pokemon from other gens getting this treatment
Snide 09.06.16	What I'm surprised about is that apparently according to a leak (which has so far proven to be true) there's no new mega evolutions, yet you can find all the mega stones all over Alola.
SteakByrnes 09.06.16	I've been hoping that megas are gone in gen 7, they made the power creep way too high in gen 6. Yea I like megas, but they are way too strong
Snide 09.06.16	They actually just posted a new trailer, apparently there's a new Pokemon thing called "Ultra Beasts" in Sun and Moon. Holy shit watch this, weird ass new information but it's cool - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFbMGKvN6ts
AlexKzillion 09.06.16	Yeah Megas are op af, at least in showdown. Mega Charizard Y with a nasty plot baton passed to it and Solar Beam can pretty much one hit whole parties.
AdoreSwancore 09.06.16	@BlackMalachite the current theory is that UB-01 and Lillie (the new professor's aide) are connected/ one being
Snide 09.06.16	I thought the megas were alright, some cool ass designs. @Swan: That would be really interesting if it turned out to be true, there's a lot of potential for some deep lore with a human / ultra beast pokemon connection.
MyNameIsPencil 09.06.16	my brother used to shoplift pokemon cards a lot
Snide 09.06.16	Did he pocket booster packs or something?
CaimanJesus 09.06.16	Nah I ain't spending money on a pokemon game, I just use Playr.org
Snide 09.06.16	"I ain't spending money on a Pokemon game." Bruh, we all gotta make sure Yo-kai Watch stays the cheap Pokemon knock off and not a legitimate competitor.
IronGiant 09.07.16	showdown. gave up the handheld games because it became too much of a financial investment. my username is "the creamiest meme". i play competitively
Snide 09.07.16	I'll look you up on showdown! I've got the new 3DS which I received as a gift so it's not too much of a financial burden for me bar the 40 bucks when the new game comes out.
BlazinBlitzer 09.07.16	I play Showdown, and I don't ever see 5. Good for you for being different, but I would've went for Keldeo instead if I wanted a Specs user, even if you have Breloom as a fighting type.
Snide 09.07.16	Keldeo's great, but I need my Volturn combo in Talonflame / Jolteon.
Dedes 09.08.16	I've been using pokemon showdown a lot. I mostly play a lot of UU tier and have a pretty sick self made team with an unbeatable special wall in Regice who is super underrated in my opinion. I can't help a lot with your talonflame/jolteon combo considering I simply don't zone in on sweepers too hard. I would recommend maybe having Forretress as a good rapid spinner because it sounds like your talonflame would get destroyed by stealth rock
Snide 09.17.16	How do you deal with the abundance of Steel / Fighting types in UU that destroy Regice?