onionbubs: What Makes an Album Overrated (TDAG)

onionbubs 04.06.16	is the website slow for anyone else? list took 10 minutes to post.
YetAnotherBrick 04.06.16	yes this is a very good point. kind of undeniable tbh. i bet if rateyourmusic did a "most overrated album" thing, the list would be completely different. it also bugs me tho when people see albums rated really high here and assume this is the only place that likes them that much. like, sputnik does kinda go a little crazy for TDAG, but that album does get respect outside of here too. idk. this is an important point to make tho, yes. also i can't believe i didn't notice the reference in your username til now. nice. used to watch homestar all the time when i was younger.
zakalwe 04.06.16	It happens in every generation. When I was a teen in '93 harping on about how amazing Nirvana were the 'dads' would talk about how nothing was new, it had all been done before. Be that as it may there was still a tangible excitement that being young and rebellious could change things. Parents knew that Nirvana had 'the magic' that they themselves once understood. Then it all fell apart with nu-metal and worse still 'emo' just total asinine drivel that commited the unforgivable sin of not rocking whatsoever and seemed construed from a record execs doodle pad. Brand new fall into that bracket with their overwrought horsehit that absolutely everyone and their nan can see right through except sput....and yanks.
Alastor 04.06.16	website is indeed super slow atm. this post here took me 2 hours.
TwigTW 04.06.16	Interesting . . . and yes, Sputnik is running slow again.
rufinthefury 04.06.16	people liking an album and it not being very good case in point, every single Thrash metal album that isn't made by Carnivore
porcupinetheater 04.06.16	You're dangerously close to heresy there, Mate
ChoccyPhilly 04.06.16	Good point and tl;dr: circlejerking leads to alienating an album to some.I don't see this album being actually discussed here like it used to, it's normally only ever brought up when 'overrated' is the theme
SCREAM! 04.06.16	Overrated is kind of a tricky term. I mean, if the band is getting praised, it's because they wrote music, that music resonated with people, and now those people are praising them for it. So in that sense, it's sort of impossible for an album to be overrated because each album is rated based on people's opinion of it.
SCREAM! 04.06.16	However, when people start saying stuff like, let's say, "Metallica is the best metal band ever" and you can tell that those people don't listen to metal and have only heard the Black Album and use the band's popularity to justify their claim, that sort of makes me question my own argument.
Piglet 04.06.16	"Brand new fall into that bracket with their overwrought horsehit that absolutely everyone and their nan can see right through except sput....and yanks." hahaha this is why zak is my favourite user
onionbubs 04.06.16	yea zak is the greatest
ChoccyPhilly 04.06.16	Well maybe to them, they genuinely think metallica are the best metal band ever and develop some kind of dunning-kruger logic of thinking
iswimfast 04.06.16	when people like an album more than i do
CalculatingInfinity 04.06.16	Minus some albums having generational/culture influences that need to be taken into account (example this case), it is just someone thinking it's not as good as the general consensus. No need to overthink it really.
DungeonBoy 04.06.16	"it is just someone thinking it's not as good as the general consensus. No need to overthink it really." yup
chemicalmarriage 04.06.16	It's only a big deal if you make it a big deal
onionbubs 04.06.16	i should probably retitle this list, since based on the title, the list seems like itd be a generalization, but really just focuses on one album.
wham49 04.06.16	when perception outlasts reality
UpwardSpiral 04.06.16	It is overrated because the second half of the album is relatively bad (except Luca).
AlexKzillion 04.06.16	I kind of feel the same way about that Little Simz album from last year. It gets a fair amount of praise here (Probably since potsy endorsed it to be better then TPAB), but on Rym it has like a 3.1 avg.
onionbubs 04.06.16	mods have a huge influence it seems. the fact that sowings name is a reference to the album doesnt help those who dont like it. sowing might also be responsible for some of the praise yellowcard gets here actually. rym has ocean avenue at around a 2.9 average and we have it at a 3.6
rufinthefury 04.06.16	zak would have a good point if Nirvana wasnt such a lazy and boring band to listen to
CalculatingInfinity 04.06.16	" rym has ocean avenue at around a 2.9 average and we have it at a 3.6" That's because their averages are generally jaded as fuck minus the 'classics'
AlexKzillion 04.06.16	Do albums get more ratings on RYM as opposed to sputnik?
SCREAM! 04.06.16	"That's because their averages are generally jaded as fuck minus the 'classics'" Not really. They just have a much larger population so albums get more ratings and the tendency towards the "average" rating is more pronounced
PurpleDino 04.06.16	"However, music is subjective, so not everyone likes the same music." BINGO what makes an album overrated is subjective as well
DinosaurJones 04.06.16	Music is subjective, but that doesn't stop people from shitting on each other over "wrong" opinions.
CalculatingInfinity 04.06.16	@SCREAM: True and I'd put that also to the fact you can allow 1's to critically acclaimed albums. I just have a negative view of the site in general when it comes to ratings due the amount of beyond stupid reviews I've read on the site.
DinosaurJones 04.06.16	I find it kind of funny that we aren't allowed to 1 "Classic" albums on this site. I can understand the reasoning behind it in a sense, but are there really enough petty people that would rate those albums a 1 just to bring down the average? ...I know, that's a stupid question.
Calc 04.06.16	"I kind of feel the same way about that Little Simz album from last year. It gets a fair amount of praise here (Probably since potsy endorsed it to be better then TPAB), but on Rym it has like a 3.1 avg." rym is jaded as fuk but it's funny how people still cave to usernames on a website. that album was just meh
AlexKzillion 04.06.16	Being able and not being able to 1 albums makes a difference tho. If you couldn't 1 MBDTF that would probably have a 4.4 avg, and if you could 1 TPAB then it would probably have like a 4.2.
Calc 04.06.16	"I find it kind of funny that we aren't allowed to 1 "Classic" albums on this site. I can understand the reasoning behind it in a sense, but are there really enough petty people that would rate those albums a 1 just to bring down the average? ...I know, that's a stupid question." then why'd you even ask you know the answer. I think it's funny because the biggest (and prolly only) reason they do that is to retain some sort of legitimacy but up until recently people were still able to call each other fgs and n**ers and have nothing happen to them
PurpleDino 04.06.16	I personally don't rate music but it's ridiculous that this site has decided that some people can't have certain opinions on certain albums like who tf cares if someone doesn't like a 'classic' album, who tf cares if it's even a troll rating, just who tf cares basically "Being able and not being able to 1 albums makes a difference tho. If you couldn't 1 MBDTF that would probably have a 4.4 avg, and if you could 1 TPAB then it would probably have like a 4.2." remind me how that makes a difference to anyone's actual life
CalculatingInfinity 04.06.16	"Being able and not being able to 1 albums makes a difference tho. If you couldn't 1 MBDTF that would probably have a 4.4 avg, and if you could 1 TPAB then it would probably have like a 4.2." Umm...MBDTF already has a 4.2, it can't raise its average if you can give even lower ratings to it lol.
SCREAM! 04.06.16	"I personally don't rate music but it's ridiculous that this site has decided that some people can't have certain opinions on certain albums like who tf cares if someone doesn't like a 'classic' album, who tf cares if it's even a troll rating, just who tf cares basically "Being able and not being able to 1 albums makes a difference tho. If you couldn't 1 MBDTF that would probably have a 4.4 avg, and if you could 1 TPAB then it would probably have like a 4.2." remind me how that makes a difference to anyone's actual life" For someone who doesn't care you sure seem to care quite a bit
Calc 04.06.16	"like who tf cares if someone doesn't like a 'classic' album, who tf cares if it's even a troll rating, just who tf cares basically" the site cares. there's an issue if people come to this site and see that TDAG or Kid A is rated a 2.4 because there's 900 ratings of "abysmal". It doesn't look good for the site and the userbase will just continue to dwindle.
Rik VII 04.06.16	As far as I know, the main reason for albums generally being rated lower on RYM is the fact that the lowest rating you can give there is a 0.5 in opposition to the 1.0 minimum on here. I think it brings down the ratings a lot.
onionbubs 04.06.16	user just gave babymetal a 0.5 tho
CalculatingInfinity 04.06.16	You're only able to give that rating if you've reviewed the album.
SCREAM! 04.06.16	There's much less of a community going there. It's more everyone for themselves so people are less likely to be influenced by groupthink or peer pressure when rating as well
Calc 04.06.16	^yup. and people are just generally more jaded there
CalculatingInfinity 04.06.16	Good point actually, whether people like it or not other people will influence your opinions on albums whether it's through hype train or giving it another chance because you like the person who rec'ed it.
iloveyouall 04.06.16	fuck that, be a savage cunt.
onionbubs 04.06.16	best point of the whole thread lol
Jots 04.06.16	don't treat "overrated" or "underrated" any more concretely than you would if someone says "good" or "bad". yeah i think TDAG gets more juice than it deserves but its sheer unwavering presence on this site counts for something for someone i guess.
Sowing 04.06.16	I think this list actually brings up a lot of good points. I think you overrate the reaches of this website though. Yeah it has like a 4.5 average here, but I don't think most people in general consider this album to be some sort of generation defining release. It's hyped up like crazy on this site, so one might say it is overrated here in particular (although I'd disagree and argue that it deserves the rating it has), but overrated/overhyped as a whole? Nah.
onionbubs 04.06.16	yeah i guess so. i mean, the only intention this list has is sparking discussion. i happen to think it is properly rated, but this was an attempt to explain how some people are turned off by the hype and some people brought up better points even. i dont know.
Trebor. 04.06.16	There are like 400 better indie/alt records hence it's overrated
guitarded_chuck 04.06.16	Two of the main reasons things get underrated is 1. The mob mentality and 2. Lack of context
wham49 04.06.16	does this site really not let you 1 or less certain albums, kind of defeats the purpose of an opinion, and rating albums
guitarded_chuck 04.06.16	blame trolls, its necessary or the site would be way shittier
Cimnele 04.06.16	people get their ratings deleted as soon as they doing something suspicious anyway lol, i don't think you need to be scared PS a good way to detect an overrated album is to see if it's 45 minutes of middle-of-the-road guitar rock which doesn't really go anywhere or say anything
DinosaurJones 04.06.16	Yeah, try giving a 1 to an album like F#A#, or Illmatic You just get a page that says: No.
LepreCon 04.06.16	People who really should probably just shut the fuck up and accept that people like albums more than they do rather than bitch about it is what makes an album overrated
onionbubs 04.06.16	yeah this list is poorly titled.
DinosaurJones 04.06.16	Meh, a little, but you do reference possibly the most contested album on this site.
onionbubs 04.06.16	i wouldve changed the title if it wouldve let me edit the list. coz it wont.
wham49 04.06.16	trolling aside, if I think Nevermind is shit, which it is, and I 1 it, they would not let me, maybe that would make more diversity, and most things would not be so over rated
onionbubs 04.06.16	why not negitavely review it? i think if you justify your reasoning in a review, they'll let you keep the rating.
DinosaurJones 04.06.16	I just tried to 1 Nevermind for the hell of it, and it let me. Just sayin. I don't think it's a 1, by the way. I also don't think it's great.
onionbubs 04.06.16	i like nevermind. it's certainly not as great as it's praised to be, but it's a decent record. 1's are kinda difficult to assign. for an album to be a 1, it kinda should be an offensively bad record. even if i didnt like nevermind, i dont think id give a 1. probably a 2 tho.
PurpleDino 04.06.16	"the site cares. there's an issue if people come to this site and see that TDAG or Kid A is rated a 2.4 because there's 900 ratings of "abysmal". It doesn't look good for the site and the userbase will just continue to dwindle." yo has that ever actually happened tho?? fair enough if so, I guess "For someone who doesn't care you sure seem to care quite a bit" I care about dissuading people from believing there's objectivity in music sure, but I don't care if a 'classic' album's average rating drops or gains 0.2
Rsetness9 04.06.16	What is the point of this thread?
Mystletainn 04.06.16	Overrated is when the average is like 4.4+ and the album itself is garbage, like Metallica - master of puppets Opeth - black water park Slayer - Reign in blood I could go on and on
zakalwe 04.06.16	In all seriousness this is how it happens. An album is released that receives critical acclaim and also taps into something within the zeitgeist. The album repeatedly finds an audience within its genre and also holds appeal for those outside the usual listener type because of one or two songs that are seen as kickstarting a 'trend' and hold influence on a host of other new bands. The album will always be refferd to as a go-to within its field because it's seen as espousing the particular merits of a specific genre and is always seems as a starting point. The momentum continues to a point where t-shirts, posters, appearances in best ever lists, continued radio play and prolonged love from a majority all put it on a pedestal. This sort of thing used to happen all the time but the death of the 'scene' the Internet and other factors have diluted the effect of the 'classic' album to a point where someone sits at the computer and instantly listens to a piece of music that once kick started an entire generation into doing something but now makes an individual think 'meh'
wham49 04.07.16	I think the site should worry more about rampant 5's rather than too low of a rating
wham49 04.07.16	yes, rampant 5's like anything from greenday, nirvana, pop punk, the kardashian ahole
Mystletainn 04.07.16	We should ban everyone who 5's aerosmith agreed, dad's aren't welcomed here
wham49 04.07.16	thanks 6, you totally get it
xAshtrayux 06.20.16	I'm sorry, but TDAG being overrated on sputnik is still more bearable than the cult status that YFW (and Deja, to a lesser extent) has on tumblr. Like Christ, it's BN's worst album.
guitarded_chuck 06.20.16	the mob mentality