ashcrash9: What Is Post-Rock Even?

Sauce 12.07.15	departure songs is da bes
iglu 12.07.15	check out Austin TV
Nazzadan 12.07.15	Post-anything is dumb and makes me angry because I am old and hate change
RadicalEd 12.07.15	lol 11 as aoty.
Artuma 12.07.15	simple. it's a term to describe music that uses traditional rock instruments for 'non-rock-y' purposes
wham49 12.07.15	cant people come up with better, less confusing genre names. Pre and post genre titles do not make sense
Artuma 12.07.15	name one "pre" genre
alienobserver 12.07.15	try this http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+post-rock%3F
ZombicidalMan 12.07.15	minimalism is fun
ashcrash9 12.07.15	@Artuma - but is it that simple? For instance, I'd say 1 and 8 in different ways at points use traditional rock instrumentation for fairly straightforward rock subgenre purposes, while 13 doesn't really use any rock instrumentation yet still gets classified as post-rock.
minty901 12.07.15	I'd love to have to write an essay on this. I'd avoid hyperbole about how "spiritual" and "transcendant" post-rock is and be sure to talk about specifics like use of delay with high feedback and reverb with high decay and mix, and tremolo strumming for powerful crescendoes. U2-style dotted-8th delayed arpeggios I think are quite a common backbone for the rhythm guitar in modern post-rock.
Aftertheascension 12.07.15	It's ambient music with guitars.
minty901 12.07.15	I'd look at Jakob's Solace as an example of creating atmosphere through high-feedback delay. Talk about layering multiple guitar parts with Caspian as a good example.
LotusFlower 12.07.15	Isn't it classified as unconventional styling compared to more traditional Rock styles? There's also an emphasis on very repetitive, precise melodies and instrumentation and a usual cinematic/epic aesthetic? That descriptor can cover a lot of different styles but usually there's shared similarities between post-rock albums.
wham49 12.07.15	IDK you guys know what I mean though, but I have heard pre-punk, pre thrash and pre-psych used before unofficially
Archael 12.07.15	As its simplest, it's ambient but rock
Mort. 12.07.15	im not writing your paper for you you lazy shit go do some actual academic research with refernences and shit dont ask this cesspool
Artuma 12.07.15	@wham unofficially yes, it's not like they would be "actual" genres
Valkyrion 12.07.15	afaik, music played with (mostly) rock instruments that doesn't follow the standards of rock music, for ex. using a guitar not to play riffs and chords but textures
wham49 12.07.15	chill artuma, just messing around, although I can see where a pre-punk genre could be useful in describing bands like The stooges or MC5
TalonsOfFire 12.07.15	I mean early Slayer could be considered pre-death metal, but really what's the point of pre-genres it seems pretty dumb Also how can you make this list and talk about writing an essay on post-rock without mentioning Talk Talk, the band that literally started the genre smh. Start there and you might find the answers that you seek.
Artuma 12.07.15	"just messing around" well, i certainly didn't figure that out
Archael 12.07.15	Proto punk not pre punk.
Artuma 12.07.15	same thing cyg
TalonsOfFire 12.07.15	proto and pre are the same, I've heard a lot of people call early Slayer proto-death metal, especially songs like Chemical Warfare.
ZombicidalMan 12.07.15	Music Scenes: Local, Translocal and Virtual by Andy Bennett, Richard A. Peterson thanks google
wham49 12.07.15	my point exactly guys, attaching labels to things especially post or "pre" is kind of pointless, unless it is to get the idea of what something may be but, this post-rock thing, is kinds confusing.
chords91 12.07.15	Can't wait for post-music to become a thing
TalonsOfFire 12.07.15	Is there a precursor to post-rock then, besides rock, like ambient? That would help to describe it.
altertide0 12.07.15	i'd say post-rock is just rock music that "breathes" and has lots of space, it has this specific "wide" sound, but at the same time doesn't indulge in progressive rock dynamics and is usually devoid of pomp
altertide0 12.07.15	post-music is already a thing btw (although yeah, not a popular one yet)
Friday13th 12.07.15	altertide's definition is really close
Friday13th 12.07.15	Here's my best def: Minimalistic and ambient rock music focusing on textures and dynamics rather than melody and groove.
SharkTooth 12.07.15	here's a definition I found on urban dictionary that might help "Post rock is a genre of rock music coined by British music Simon Reynold as "using rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes, using guitars as facilitators of timbres and textures rather than riffs and powerchords." Post Rock will often times be built like classical music with different movements and emphasis on musical composition and dynamic movements. Common instruments used by post rock bands are guitars and basses as well as drums, auxillary percussion, string instruments, pianos, and even bagpipes and the occasional tape loop run through the record."
Artuma 12.07.15	"this post-rock thing, is kinds confusing" yeah it's not very accurate but the genre has been named as such for decades now and it's hard to change it
ZombicidalMan 12.07.15	concluding sentence: just get a fucking DD-7 and be done with it
BigLeach65 12.07.15	laughing stock-talk talk
Snake. 12.07.15	anything with "post-" in the genre just means that the sound is technically that genre but is not meant to be played like that genre i.e. post-punk, post-hardcore, post-grunge
guitarded_chuck 12.07.15	11 is aoty hands down
zakalwe 12.07.15	It's something that shouldn't be written about on a fancy shmancy final paper for some liberal arts course. Jesus Christ you kids make me sick with your horsehit. I'm actually contemplating joining ISIS. The terrorist organisation not the bullshit band you kids jizz over.
SharkTooth 12.08.15	I wonder if there are Isis members who listen to Isis
Snake. 12.08.15	i doubt it because if any of them found out it would be copyright hell
zakalwe 12.08.15	Probabaly, hypocritical bunch of arseholes.
Onirium 12.08.15	http://samizdat.cc/shelf/documents/2005/07.11-lostGeneration/lostGeneration.pdf Interesting Pitchfork essay on the stylistic origins and early evolution of the genre
Calc 12.08.15	not sure how program music is post-rock
trve 12.09.15	gotta be a fucking boring year if 11 is an aoty contender