Shuyin: Make A Difference

Shuyin 06.05.13	list is just digs get to it and sign that shit
KILL 06.05.13	save the lobsters first!
Cormano 06.05.13	I actually agree, lobster need love too, people tend to think that our friends from the ocean don't have the same feelings
Cormano 06.05.13	also, your link is broken dude
thumbcrusher 06.05.13	you just need to take out those cheeky spaces cormano
Drummerboy123 06.05.13	7 is sweet. Also that's fucked up.
Pennywise_M 06.05.13	Signed. Fucked up people.
Pennywise_M 06.05.13	And 7 rules
Shuyin 06.05.13	fix'd should be fine now agreed hard with the lobster thing, this is some sick shit.. but its already too big to stop it. its the same in Spain where the bulls are tortured before being killed, and some say that we're human, people that make this sort of shit aren't human, they're fucking animals
anarchistfish 06.05.13	Is your gripe against the dogs being eaten or the dogs being cooked alive?
Shuyin 06.05.13	we need to kill in order to eat, at least some of us do. so i cant go against people that eat dogs.. its about the way you kill the animal, it doesnt need to be cooked alive, does it?
SCREAM! 06.05.13	I agree with the petition but some of the comments by people signing it are so ignorant/racist/stupid.
Relinquished 06.05.13	I ate poodle cuz I wanted to try it and it sucked
Pennywise_M 06.05.13	Yes, it's a cultural matter (what you eat). Even though it makes me cringe how people eat dogs, i wouldn't say that it should be prohibited. Now the way you kill the animals in order to cook them, it should be a fast, controlled and painless way. That goes for every animal. From cows to well, dogs. It's inhumane to cook animals alive. It's a practice that promotes pain. I can understand that some people don't have a liking for animals, but human beings just as animals know what is to feel pain. People doing this kind of thing are atrocious and absolutely lack compassion for living creatures. Either that or are absolutely unaware of their practices.
Shuyin 06.05.13	^that
anarchistfish 06.05.13	I ate a guinea pig and it was shit and I got an allergic reaction from the peanut sauce
manosg 06.05.13	Signed. They should cook the people who cook dogs alive imo.
Pennywise_M 06.05.13	"I ate a guinea pig and it was shit and I got an allergic reaction from the peanut sauce" The issues being discussed here are no laughing matter, but i gave a hearty chuckle at this. That detail on the sauce allergy came out like an observational comedy bit. lol
Cormano 06.05.13	"I ate a guinea pig and it was shit and I got an allergic reaction from the peanut sauce" I'm glad you did, no hard feelings fish, but I love my guinea pigs to death
anarchistfish 06.05.13	Fuck you I could've died
Pennywise_M 06.05.13	Didn't mean to disregard the actual mishap man, and you know that.
bloc 06.05.13	Damn this is ruff
Relinquished 06.05.13	not every dog has its day
Relinquished 06.05.13	people be wolfing them down
wacknizzle 06.05.13	Signed, I petition things on Change.org alot.
anarchistfish 06.05.13	was aimed at CORMANO
Pennywise_M 06.05.13	ah k
Shuyin 06.05.13	no one cared about this on fb totally different reaction on a music website, thanks guys
Cormano 06.05.13	didn't know it was that serious sorry, anyway...where did you had the guinea pig? and was it just out of curiosity that you ate it?
anarchistfish 06.05.13	It was in Ecuador and yeah we made a collective decision to try it. It was kinda shit though, they're really bony. And honestly I'm not sure how serious it was. All I know is that the initial reaction is the most intense I've ever had and we were miles from a hospital. I got the medication pretty quickly so I'm not sure how much worse it would have gotten. I was just messing with you. Guinea pigs are overrated anyway. Gerbils are where it's at.
Cormano 06.05.13	I'll probably go to ecuador and peru next winter, but I'd never be able to eat a guinea pig, I want to try ayahuazca though gerbils are cool, but chinchillas just caught my attention recently
SeaAnemone 06.05.13	save the mosquitos!!1!! animals have feelings too1!!!!
anarchistfish 06.05.13	Definitely go to Ecuador. It's a microcosm of everything brilliant about South America
ncguitar 06.05.13	The first time I saw a sea horse... ...it was roasted and on brochette
North0House2 06.17.13	My young sister had a gerbil once. She named it Sleeping Beauty. She loved the thing. However, she was only about four years old when she had the thing, and she was a little clumsy. So, one day when she was putting the gerbil back in its cage, she slipped and accidentally slammed the thing's face into the floor. It bit her (for obvious reasons) and she let go. We thought all was well at first. However, it turned out that Sleeping Beauty's back had been broken in the incident, and was now a paraplegic. So, what could a paraplegic gerbil do to improve conditions? Well, its back half was totally useless at that point, so she decided to chew it off. I kid you not. The gerbil began to chew off the lower half of its body. Pretty soon it was a zombie-looking creature, with a shriveled back portion, its legs had been chewed off and healed into nubs, and it learned to drag itself around at a frightening pace. Sleeping Beauty was disgusting, but my sister still loved it, and carried it around, and would kiss it even though it was all mangled and gross. we had to do something, but couldn't put it out of its misery in the eyes of my little sister. So, we set it free. It is rumored the beast still haunts the corridors of that small brush area.
Deathconscious 06.17.13	"I do not think dogs should be eaten" fucking idiot.
Deathconscious 06.17.13	that letter to the ambassadors was one of the dumbest things ive ever read.
Shuyin 06.17.13	yea, it may be dumb. but what word would you use to describe boiling an animal alive?
SeaAnemone 06.17.13	cooking
Shuyin 06.17.13	thats not what i meant, are we getting back to the stone age?
bach 06.17.13	I'd like a petition to stop the the boiling of all animals.
Shuyin 06.17.13	same, maybe someday we still got a long way to go
bach 06.17.13	And a petition from the states signed by a bunch of rich white kids isn't going to stop shit. People in asia need to give a shit too.
Shuyin 06.17.13	its like Spain with the bulls, if only someone could come up with a way to change their ethics.. or else its a waste of time but its good to make people around the world know about this, its one step
bach 06.17.13	Agreed. Bull fighting is all fun and games until the bull rams it's horn up your ass.
Shuyin 06.17.13	nah thats the fun part
Shuyin 06.17.13	cool bro, its that kind of thought that wont let us change anything
Shuyin 06.17.13	we're writing a letter to them, genious what do you want me to do? fly to korea and knock and at the PMs door?
Shuyin 06.17.13	the petition is a letter to the goverment, mr brains and my government has enough problems as it is, they dont care about the dogs. its the people that has to KNOW and try to change the ethics of other countries
zakalwe 06.17.13	We are talking about a country where new born babies are left to die in the gutter but the way they cook their meat, yeah well and truly abhorrent. Get some perspective for fuck sake.
Shuyin 06.17.13	that happens everywhere, even here in Portugal
bach 06.17.13	If the citizens of Korea don't give a damn, the Korean government doesn't have to. Doesn't matter what we say. I mean, I don't particularly like the notion of boiling dogs. But, we don't own the fucking world. What if Koreans starting writing petitions to us to stop killing cows, chickens, and pigs the way we do?
Shuyin 06.17.13	'If the citizens of Korea don't give a damn, the Korean government doesn't have to. Doesn't matter what we say. I mean, I don't particularly like the notion of boiling dogs. But, we don't own the fucking world. What if Koreans starting writing petitions to us to stop killing cows, chickens, and pigs the way we do?' good point, they should make one for the lobsters. i just wish we could all get along and kill what we need to eat in a decent way. @Reich LMAO
bach 06.17.13	"We are talking about a country where new born babies are left to die in the gutter but the way they cook their meat, yeah well and truly abhorrent. Get some perspective for fuck sake." That happens in every country. The only way we can stop that is preventing morons from breeding. And we can't so to hell with that.
Apollo 06.17.13	Unfortunately, this is a sick world we live in. Many evils will not change and signing a petition on the internet to these ambassadors to China and Korea won't change anything either. The people in power in China don't give a shit about human rights...what makes you think they will care about animal rights? Sorry Shuyin, to be like this. I like you as a user, I think this is a good cause to an extent...but assholes like this signing a petition like this won't help. It's the sad reality.
zakalwe 06.17.13	No but what about the battery hens, and the cows, and all the other shit people think is horrible until it gets served up with fries. A boiled dog is a disgrace a child thrown away like rubbish is something completely different.
amemento 06.17.13	isk have you tried telling them about the dog crisis in Korea reich that is Sure to make them respond
bach 06.17.13	"the argument for crustaceans and many other animals is that they do not feel pain in the same way humans do, or simply cannot process it at all." Hope that's not your argument, dykers
Shuyin 06.17.13	i know Apollo, thats why i think people should know. see, we had the bull fights here in Portugal too, thats why we protest every year. now it only happens in a small town, and maybe someday it'll be over for good. its just small steps, so the future of those countries may actually change their mind
amemento 06.17.13	it the treatment of cows in Indonesia is just as bad yet because it's a dog Suddenly we deem it to be of more importance. Animal cruelty as a whole topic would be a better thing to try for but look how little that has come forward and this was with a little more than a petition with a dog on it Is much more likely to get attention than a dog boiled in Korea and look how far that has come, and this i
Slobo 06.17.13	Petitions achieve nothing
amemento 06.17.13	mean sure your movement against dog boiling in Korea is Admiral but there are better ways to pursue this issue
amemento 06.17.13	Fucking phone
bach 06.17.13	Regardless of experiencing pain differently, having the life just fucking snuffed out of you in a pot of boiling water has to be, to some degree, painful.
Shuyin 06.17.13	do any of you guys knew about that turtle torture show in the US, Snapperfest? we made a petition like this in order to stop the turtle mutilation and guess what, we won (my email got blocked due to spam but fuck it). see? we can make a difference
bach 06.17.13	do any of you guys knew about that turtle torture show in the US, Snapperfest Jesus fucking christ. Aren't we just the plague of the earth?
amemento 06.17.13	A turtle show is hardly on a political level, executives drag shows all the time after complaints
Shuyin 06.17.13	screw it, its just one small step
bach 06.17.13	Well, no one knows if they can feel pain except for the lobsters themselves.
amemento 06.17.13	Trust me bro if it was this easy whaling would've stopped years ago
amemento 06.17.13	So we just ask the lobsters not difficult
bach 06.17.13	"i think zoos are the worst thing ever, i mean obviously for some animals that are endangered, captivity is necessary for the livelihood of the species. but damn it makes me ill thinking those animals are just cooped up in a cage for humans to point and laugh at them." Agreed so fucking hard.
amemento 06.17.13	Well funded zoos are fine The ones in Asia are not
amemento 06.17.13	Fuck lobsters in the ass
bach 06.17.13	Nah, I hate 'em all. It's just a place where animals can't be animals and lack freewill. That's called fucking prison.
amemento 06.17.13	They can Fuck each other in the ass only a greedy man needs more than that
bach 06.17.13	They ain't men.
Shuyin 06.17.13	i went to a zoo when i was a kid, the reptiles were kept in really small spaces, it seemed weird to me back then.
bach 06.17.13	And when a lion acts like a lion and kills a mother fucker everyone's like "ZOMG KILL IT OUR CHILDREN COULD BE NEXT."
Shuyin 06.17.13	where i live, a dog went into the local bar and caused some trouble. they took the dog outside and some guy pulled out a gun and shot it 7-9 times. it was like 15h and kids were walking in the street, from what i know the dog didnt even bit anyone, i only saw the sad part, in plain daylight.. its like a fucking jungle here sometimes. maybe you guys are right, and people like this wont change their minds. but at least we could do something about it, so in the future we'll have less people that act like this, man i sure hope so.
thumbcrusher 06.18.13	animal cruelty is the worst
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	"animal cruelty is the worst" okay this could be a severely dumb question but I genuinely don't understand how people can profess such outrage at animal cruelty but like, have no problem with killing bugs etc. I mean sure it's nice that you don't want puppies to be slain for no reason but the whole "I < 3 animals!!" thing tends to end with animals that are relatively cute, doesn't it? I could just be being a stubborn idiot but I've never understood this - seems to be an obvious empty space in the thinking
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	save the mosquitos!!1!! animals have feelings too1!!!!
thumbcrusher 06.18.13	well i didn't say i went out and went round slaying bugs for fun
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	"well i didn't say i went out and went round slaying bugs for fun" yeah but killing them is a-okay in your book sometimes? like not even for a good reason... like if a hot girl says "Ew a puppy! I'm so scared of puppies!! Kill it thumbcrusher KILL IT!" do you stomp on it for her?
thumbcrusher 06.18.13	no i would not stomp on the puppy and i would not stomp on a bug if i was so asked either
ILJ 06.18.13	"Yes, it's a cultural matter (what you eat). Even though it makes me cringe how people eat dogs, i wouldn't say that it should be prohibited. Now the way you kill the animals in order to cook them, it should be a fast, controlled and painless way. That goes for every animal. From cows to well, dogs. It's inhumane to cook animals alive. It's a practice that promotes pain. I can understand that some people don't have a liking for animals, but human beings just as animals know what is to feel pain. People doing this kind of thing are atrocious and absolutely lack compassion for living creatures. Either that or are absolutely unaware of their practices." this is pretty much my opinion on it. now while i personally would never eat a dog, or a cat, simply because i love those animals, i can't judge other people for wanting to. why? because i eat parts of cows, chickens, pigs, etc. they're animals too. sure, they're not as cute and cuddly and awesome but they're animals nonetheless, so if i were to think differently of somebody that does eat cat and dog would be hypocritical of me considering i eat animals also. maybe they would think the same thing about cows that i think about dogs and cats, you never know. but yeah, needlessly causing an animal pain is bad. no matter how you look at it.
thumbcrusher 06.18.13	i don't really understand why you're taking your bug/insect issue up with me Sea
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	oh it's not directed at you personally at all you were just the most recent poster in that way I honestly just want an answer from somebody - it would be cool cuz I've never understood how people who proclaim to be super animal rights reconcile that... and okay so you've seriously never killed a spider or a fly that lands on you... or how about a mosquito? "but yeah, needlessly causing an animal pain is bad. no matter how you look at it." like yeah you could have just as easily removed a mosquito from your arm gently, and attempted to place it somewhere where it wouldn't pester you anymore... but no, you probably kill it... how do you say that's okay? I feel really dumb asking these questions
MuhNamesTyler 06.18.13	It's cause it's not cuddly dude
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	"It's cause it's not cuddly dude" I mean yeah that's what I supposed but I wanna know how people in this thread reconcile that with the whole "All animals have rights!!! From cows to dogs to cats no matter what!!" shit
Cygnatti 06.18.13	the difference being that dogs and cats were domesticated for the purpose of being "lovable companions" in a way that is (apparently) morally far removed from other animals were domesticated for to be eaten.
Cygnatti 06.18.13	for the record, I think PETA is crap, and try not to concern myself with animal cruelty.
MuhNamesTyler 06.18.13	I just value some animals lives more than others, it's pretty simple.
thumbcrusher 06.18.13	i think it's to do partly with fear like hearing about deadly bugs and spiders. it becomes automatic to slapthem to death for some. also they don't feel pain the same way and humans and say cows, and don't really have a thinking mind to lose. though that probably doesn't come into people's considerations when stmping on them. i still think it's wrong to kill when not needed and i try not to, but for those reasons that's probably why they're put lower down.
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	"im not an animal rights activist by any means as i hunt and such but idk if an animal or insect is going to kill you like many spiders and mosquitoes have to capability of doing shouldn't that give you the right to kill them? for instance i have a black widow nest in my yard but i don't disturb them unless i have one crawling on me like i did the other day so i smashed that fucker." bro let's be honest - that little spider in the corner of the room isn't capable of killing you and that fly in your kitchen isn't either - lezzbehonest most of the killing I'm talking about isn't done in the name of preserving one's own life "the difference being that dogs and cats were domesticated for the purpose of being "lovable companions" in a way that is (apparently) morally far removed from other animals were domesticated for to be eaten." I mean I kinda get what you're saying but I'm sorry I still don't see as to how this provides an exception... and why the same people who would happily flush a stinkbug down a toilet, drowning it in a horrible, grueling death would flip the fuck out if they saw someone punch a beaver in the face
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	"i think it's to do partly with fear like hearing about deadly bugs and spiders. it becomes automatic to slapthem to death for some." so? some dogs kill people too. I think people are well aware that the tiny spiders in their house pose no harm to them yet gladly kill them anyway - and how about flies? "i still think it's wrong to kill when not needed and i try not to, but for those reasons that's probably why they're put lower down." again - animals are considered "lower" than humans... but the whole animal rights thing says that they should still be treated with care etc. ... why would this ladder suddenly apply, now?
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	"I just value some animals lives more than others, it's pretty simple. " ok cool that's what I started off assuming -- I just don't understand the philosophy that some people espouse where they insist that animals like cows and chickens deserve humane treatment and shouldn't be slaughtered due to some sort of ethical and moral issues that are necessarily raised when one harms an animal. "well sea you shouldn't have brought up mosquitoes the insect that kill a million people a year lol. and i don't have house spiders just black widows." well I'm not talking personally here ... now I am... personally, I've always found the 'wasting' of animals pretty gross (ie hunting for pleasure) and I actually wound up working for Tyson chicken for a while and it was a kinda scarring experience -- won't go into gruesome details but let's just say I ended up not eating meat for a while because thinking about it made me sick
bakkermaarten007 06.18.13	I totally get you Sea. It's the same hypocrisy for some vegetarians: the ones that claim they don't eat meat for environmental reasons have a point. But the ones that do it because they don't want to eat living species, guess what: plants live as well, just because you can't hear them suffer and see them move (with the bare eye) makes it okay?
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	"show some respect and make it painless." okay I totally get this as long as you're willing to admit that you probably only want it to be shown respect because it's relatively cute and cuddly as well as other shallow reasons cuz that's kinda how I am I guess but do you understand where I feel like the arguments of those who do insist on animal rights just kinda results in like - cognitive dissonance, when insects etc. enter the pic?
ILJ 06.18.13	"and why the same people who would happily flush a stinkbug down a toilet, drowning it in a horrible, grueling death would flip the fuck out if they saw someone punch a beaver in the face" personally i would laugh my ass of if i saw somebody punch a beaver in the face. i mean, think about that image for a moment. "like yeah you could have just as easily removed a mosquito from your arm gently, and attempted to place it somewhere where it wouldn't pester you anymore... but no, you probably kill it... how do you say that's okay?" i'm not for not killing animals, i'm for them not suffering. if i smash a bug, it's fast and i imagine they're dead fairly instantly. smashing a mosquito is more humane than boiling a dog or decapitating a pig whilst it's still alive. although, i guess i could never know how painful that is, so i don't know i mean really, the whole animal cruelty thing is subjective from person to person, and i find a lot of it to be hypocritical at times.
thumbcrusher 06.18.13	"plants live as well, just because you can't hear them suffer and see them move (with the bare eye) makes it okay?" apples and oranges don't have a 'mind' though and aren't aware anything anymore than a door
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	"yeah i've never hunted for pleasure, although i will admit i fish for pleasure at catch and release rivers around the bay area, it's a blast." ah good call - I don't know why I didn't mention that but I do enjoy fishing. always eat what I catch though, even if it isn't out of necessity. and yeah bakker gets me and listen, I'm not accusing any of you in a personal way I just thought I could get a decent answer to this question in a thread where lots of users were all gung ho about animal rights
bakkermaarten007 06.18.13	"apples and oranges don't have a 'mind' though and aren't aware anything anymore than a door" Fruitarian?
ILJ 06.18.13	you brought up a lot of good points though, and it was a nice discussion. don't get that too often on here.
thumbcrusher 06.18.13	"Fruitarian?" if you're asking if i'm a vegetarian then yes bakker haha
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	"apples and oranges don't have a 'mind' though and aren't aware anything anymore than a door" plants avoid death it's been demonstrated that they go into defense-mode and 'struggle' when being uprooted, for instance (same way as an animal does) studies have also shown that plants grow more fruitfully around their 'relatives,' suggesting some sophistication of the species how do we decide how much sensitivity and what type is appropriate?* *stolen from some Times article on the subject
bakkermaarten007 06.18.13	"if you're asking if i'm a vegetarian then yes bakker haha" No I was just building further on your statement about apples and oranges, which is true. That's kind of the vision that fruitarians embody, a vision void of any hypocrisy. Only problem is that such a diet is insustainable for the human body in the long term. Edit: I mean, they'll only eat the seeds (the 'fruits). To avoid killing the plant.
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	I mean personally -- when it comes down to it, to sustain life you're going to have to harm another living being in some way in order to survive, right? that harm could take very different forms and levels, but who are we to discriminate between them?... it's easier to kill plants because they're more unlike us than monkeys are, but what kind of rationale is that?
thumbcrusher 06.18.13	oh, well, no i eat more than seed
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	also: I had both ribs and wings tonight and they were spectacular no dog or guinea pig on my plate though
bakkermaarten007 06.18.13	"I mean personally -- when it comes down to it, to sustain life you're going to have to harm another living being in some way in order to survive, right? " I think that's a nice summary of any conclusion made in this thread.
MuhNamesTyler 06.18.13	Ah, well I'm not for the suffering of any animal but when it comes to just straight up killing something, idk it's different. Just one species being superior to another really
Calc 06.18.13	i love being human..and male...and awesome.
thumbcrusher 06.18.13	"when it comes down to it, to sustain life you're going to have to harm another living being in some way in order to survive, right?" agreed but humans in the modern world do not need to harm other living creatures as much as they currently do in order to survive. it's the needless harm that i take issue with and is what i meant by cruelty earlier.
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	"agreed but humans in the modern world do not need to harm other living creatures as much as they currently do in order to survive. it's the needless harm that i take issue with and is what i meant by cruelty earlier." I know, I think this is kinda what the discussion's come to... which is okay... I mean I think straight-up killing is something that should be put on the same or higher level of poor (or unnecessary, whatever) ethical decisions (sorry if that was unclear but you probably get the gist) but I guess I understand if others do not "i'm anxiously awaiting the moment sea brings up the death penalty lol. " and haha I actually don't have very strong feelings about animal cruelty (despite me being a former Tyson employee and witnessing some absolutely horrific things) but the death penalty, I feel like, is one of the most clear cut ethical arguments there is... I've read books by Thomas Aquinas and Francisco de Vitoria and a bunch of others in defense of the death penalty but I feel like even the best arguments have huge gaping holes... it's one of the very few things that I just simply cannot fathom somebody thinking over fully and being in support of.
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	"i like you" : ) but seriously: it's no coincidence that every philosophically half-decent argument in favor of homicide or capital punishment comes from very old guys who all begin their text with a presumption of the whole 'one true christian god' thing
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	okay I'm done now lolz
SeaAnemone 06.18.13	lol I hadn't browsed Maddox's page in literally years and had totally forgotten about it this is going to be (very mild) fun
wabbit 06.18.13	I'M A STRAIGHT WHITE MALE IN AMERICA I GOT ALL THE LUCK I NEED!
Cygnatti 06.18.13	we're up all night to get lucky
Cygnatti 06.18.13	goddamn this thread
thumbcrusher 06.18.13	"Get over yourselves. Stop defining yourselves by your diet. You aren't what you don't eat." i agree with that part. i din't like those who wear veggieism on their sleeve and are so arrogant about it.