DarkSideOfLucca: Guns For Kids?

DarkSideOfLucca 05.03.13	http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/05/crickett-rifle-marketing-kids
Wolfhorde 05.03.13	Let's please not have another gun control debate that'll be going nowhere.
KILL 05.03.13	kj's dream :D
DarkSideOfLucca 05.03.13	Well whether you're for or against guns I'd hope the general consensus is that buying guns for elementary school students is fucking retarded. Apparently not by looking at the numbers of people who buy this shit, but I thought it was common sense not to get a gun for a 5 year old regardless of your opinion on gun laws.
Surtur 05.03.13	There should be no debate. America needs gun control.
anarchistfish 05.03.13	Buying kids guns lets them get used to them so they're more skilled with them when they're older
DarkSideOfLucca 05.03.13	According to that article 60,000 rifles (for kids, obviously) were sold last year so apparently a lot of people :/
DarkSideOfLucca 05.03.13	@fish- but does it really have to start when they're learning addition/ABC's/etc? That just seems...stupid
AtomicWaste 05.03.13	"Who would be dumb enough to buy their child a gun?" Kentucky.
anarchistfish 05.03.13	"@fish- but does it really have to start when they're learning addition/ABC's/etc? That just seems...stupid" yeah man it's like alcohol and STDs.
anarchistfish 05.03.13	also encourages more people to sign up for the army at younger ages
Wolfhorde 05.03.13	"Apparently not by looking at the numbers " I'd be careful with numbers and their interpretation, for multiple reasons. One being that we suck at interpreting statistics (so do blogs and news quite often btw) and our brain inherently sucks at probability. Generalizations in these cases never lead anywhere. "Buying kids guns lets them get used to them so they're more skilled with them when they're older" That would at least be the reasoning, yes. Which I don't personally object to when done in a proper environment.
PunchforPunch 05.03.13	YEEHAAW SHOOT EM SONNY
KSK1 05.03.13	I'm 22 and have never fired a gun and don't really even desire to. Everyone ranting about how they need their guns to feel safe and protect themselves is so full of shit.
Eclecticist 05.03.13	Supply and demand. Unless we place a government sanction (prohibition) on something then the free market will take over.
anarchistfish 05.03.13	war's good for the economy and limits overpopulation
Eclecticist 05.03.13	^ this person is a true thinker
anarchistfish 05.03.13	tbh I think every child should have free guns
Wolfhorde 05.03.13	Not really considering the losses of U.S. troops in the wars over the last couple of centuries have been pretty marginal apart from Vietnam, WWII and the likes. Plus, civilians having guns has nothing to do with war.
anarchistfish 05.03.13	ok I give up this guy isn't responding to the bait yeah guns are dumb etc etc we don't need another list about it
Eclecticist 05.03.13	getting a gun for opening a bank account was a good idea because then people were given a means to defend their deposits since banks are incompetent at securing assets themselves America creates hilarious awful opportunities to fulfill hilariously awful demands
Eclecticist 05.03.13	I'm baiting too, I thought that was as obvious.
DarkSideOfLucca 05.03.13	lol sorry fish, if it makes you feel better I spit out my coffee onto my shirt from laughing at some of your comments
Wolfhorde 05.03.13	Ironically, the prevalence of guns in American households isn't much higher than in Canada or Switzerland. (the latter of which doesn't even serial numbers/registering processes for guns) Which is obviously relative to the population size but still.
Eclecticist 05.03.13	yea but Canada and Switzerland have mandatory gun registration laws an amurrrica doesn't so there's prolly lots of unaccounted firearms circulating through the country
Wolfhorde 05.03.13	Except that that's only half true. And having 'unaccounted' firearms in circulation - especially for manufacturing countries isn't really anything out of the ordinary - the only difference is whether it's actually within the manufacturing country or somewhere else.
Eclecticist 05.03.13	inb4 5 paragraph wolf follow-up response
Dolving999 05.03.13	Saw this piece of news a while ago... Guys, what the fuck is going on with America right now?
omnipanzer 05.03.13	It is very common for kids that grow up on farms or out in BFE to get a rifle at a young age.
Eclecticist 05.03.13	I love amurrrica age 21 to be able to drink but guns for kids is a thing
Crymsonblaze 05.03.13	tennessee is full of pro-gun morons, so while it's definitely dispicable, it's not entirely surprising to me
omnipanzer 05.03.13	Because making an attempt to teach a child proper gun handling (misguided or not) has anything to do with proper alcohol consumption?
Wolfhorde 05.03.13	Simplistic reasoning 101:"What's more dangerous?" You should know better than to take such baits, old man.
Eclecticist 05.03.13	"Because making an attempt to teach a child proper gun handling (misguided or not) has anything to do with proper alcohol consumption?" I didn't relate the two I am just pointing out that both are misguided.
omnipanzer 05.03.13	"Simplistic reasoning 101:"What's more dangerous?" You should know better than to take such baits, old man." Agreed.
omnipanzer 05.03.13	""Apparently not by looking at the numbers " I'd be careful with numbers and their interpretation, for multiple reasons. One being that we suck at interpreting statistics (so do blogs and news quite often btw) and our brain inherently sucks at probability. Generalizations in these cases never lead anywhere. "Buying kids guns lets them get used to them so they're more skilled with them when they're older" That would at least be the reasoning, yes. Which I don't personally object to when done in a proper environment." ^ this
EyesWideShut 05.03.13	dont take away my kids right to have his "first rifle", Obama.
omnipanzer 05.03.13	While I can think of no reason for a child in an urban environment to ever even see a gun let alone be given one this is not the case in a rural setting. It is tradition for a child to be given a gun at a young age as he/she is expected to learn responsibility by helping protect and feed the family. This is a tradition that has transpired properly millions of times all over the world (not just America). Rural schools being let out for hunting season every year is very common place. It's an easy tradition to shun for anyone who's never stepped foot on a farm or lived in the middle of a wooded area. That being said marketing weapons directly to children is distasteful as they should be viewed as utilitarian, not as an accessory.
Wolfhorde 05.03.13	Historically it kind of makes sense, considering that back then infrastructure in rural areas was shit and expecting law enforcement to deal with your shit only earned you laughter. No idea whether it's still the case but I wouldn't be surprised if at least response time in certain areas is 'eh'. Obviously how thise whole thing is politically marketed is a bunch of horseshit. But having some sort of "fighting" or "fighting training" as leisure time activity doesn't have to lead to people going on homicidal rages and or unleashing their training on anyone. Most proper environments actually prohibit that.
omnipanzer 05.03.13	There is that as well as predatory animals which is more along the lines of what I was referring to. Protecting the chickens from the foxes etc etc.
Wolfhorde 05.03.13	And if we're being realistic for a moment, traditions very often also outstay their welcome from a practical angle. Further, we can't expect tradition and societal tendencies to just rapidly change or enforce rapid change. (which together with the 'right' or rather 'wrong' circumstances lead to things like Germany 1933) Well, that's obviously another point - one that also isn't necessarily easy to understand for someone who never had to rely on himself for protection from wild animals.
omnipanzer 05.03.13	I agree completely Wolfy, the amount of outrage based solely on ignorance seems to be increasing exponentially the last few years and is driving me nuts though.
Kman418 05.03.13	KIDS WITH GUNS KIDS WITH GUNS EASY DOES IT EASY DOES IT EASY DOES IT EASY DOES IT
chemicalmarriage 05.03.13	guns for kids sounds like a safe program for cognitive development
Kman418 05.03.13	i think we all just need to jam more gorillaz
Kman420 05.03.13	seriously nothing wrong with guns for kids....... kids should be allowed to smoke weed too
Kman420 05.03.13	theyre people just like us arent they?? i mean come on guys
VlacDrac 05.03.13	Throw your guns up Throw your guns up Harsh noise sounds
Cygnatti 05.03.13	stupid idea
omnipanzer 05.03.13	What trading guns for kids?
Wolfhorde 05.03.13	I feel tempted to say q.e.d
omnipanzer 05.03.13	q.e.f.
UnnamedOcean 05.03.13	This country needs stupid control.
henryChinaski 05.03.13	^ this.
Wolfhorde 05.03.13	Yes, definitely. Let's revert back to aristocratic and oligarchic hierarchies.
Wolfhorde 05.03.13	Whoa, apart from the conspiracy theory rhetoric some well thought out and historically accurate arguments. Chapeau.
chemicalmarriage 05.04.13	think I might adopt a kid this weekend just to give it a gun