oh.

woah. That's dark.

damn that's terrible, rip

Fuck that's crazy

this is so fucked

what the fuck man..

Wow, fuck him! That is tragic for those children

that is fucking heart breaking..

I read that he was complaining about money, yet I looked up the Goatlord catalogue and nearly all of their stuff was reissued this year. Either the royalties weren't coming in, or he wasted it all on god knows what.

fucking crazy

That's horrific. I feel most sorry for the two kids left behind - just hope they don't get consumed by survivors' guilt.

Stop Sin

Deleted like half of this thread. This isn't the time or the place for a gun debate, go to the forums to argue that. Quit acting like CNN or Fox and politicizing a tragedy.

Damn, that is unbelievably fucked. RIP

that is so unbelievably fucked up what is wrong with you?

well goddamn, that's fucking awful. can't imagine what this is like

wtf this is really not cool at all. heavy condolences go out to everyone involved in this

just when you thought stuff like this was finished in metal...

"just when you thought stuff like this was finished in metal..."

This sort of thing happens outside of metal as well, this guy just happened to be in a DM band. I expect the media to draw this sort of bullshit conclusion but people here should know better.

That being said, RIP to the poor mother and daughter.. Best best wishes and condolences to the surviving family for what little that is worth.

Metal = murders
Pop-Punk = Pedos
Rap = gang violence

oh boy, this is good times.

"No child should have to see a parent murdered in front of them"

Way to pick a side.

@SCREAM!
maybe i didn't word that too well, i was referring to the way this story has been used to dramatize and villainize Frankulin instead of focusing on the main thing we should be talking about which is the pain that the family must be going through and condolences that we should be giving.

by this i mean other media outlets less this site specifically.

Ahh alright, yeah that I can agree with. Also, I hope they'll be able to identify what led to this. Going from building skateboard ramps for kids to a violent murder/suicide isn't something that just happens overnight for no reason..

""I kind of didn't trust him," said neighbor John Ermilio.

He says Frankulin's behavior became increasingly suspicious and although he didn't have children, he built skateboards and ramps on his property for neighborhood kids.

"I even told my wife that I had some feeling that something is not right about him and he was kind of ... you know shady and he kind of gave me that eerie feeling," Ermilio said. "

I really dislike this part. Sure, in hindsight, he looks like the wise neighbour who could sniff out "the bad guy" but this sort of attitude may well have been a contributing factor that led to this happening in the end

I fucking hate hearing about this kind of shit, It's just fucked up. Plus it just helps to destroy the reputation of metal.

"I read that he was complaining about money, yet I looked up the Goatlord catalogue and nearly all of their stuff was reissued this year. "

Do you generally get paid first when a label reissues stuff, or do you get paid as copies are sold? I doubt he'd be making it rain from the royalties from his obscure death metal.

"just when you thought stuff like this was finished in metal..."

don't say stupid shit like this

tragic event, rip

"I fucking hate hearing about this kind of shit, It's just fucked up. Plus it just helps to destroy the reputation of metal."

honestly who gives a fuck about metal or its reputation in a situation like this. not worth mentioning

Terrible.
R.I.P.

Scary

"honestly who gives a fuck about metal or its reputation in a situation like this."

i think a lot of people give a fuck

THAT JERK IS RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE BY KILLING PEOPLE.

Wtf... RIP and... fuck this world sometimes, really!

dear lord this is terrible.

Cant even imagine the pain the two other children are going through.

It honestly scares me sometimes how humanity can go to the extent to do things so heartless

holy shit this is absolutely awful

Rip, 2 people killed because a clearly mentally ill person didn't get the help they needed. This shit happens way way too often

Metal isn't some thing for you to prove is legit to ignorant conservatives. A tragedy took place, a psychotic man killed a mother and child. Your concerns should be with the family. Not metal's standing in the mainstream media. [2]

Absolutely horrible. Bastard should've just shot himself instead of killing innocents let alone a child. What a piece of shit

Some of you idiots are so fucking disrespectful its disgusting just stfu this is horrible

This is beyond horrifying, RIP the mother and her oldest child :[

"Stop saying dumb things. This has nothing to do with metal or music, and you have little concern with those who would say otherwise.

If you actually care most about a few old christians or some shit talking about metal music being the satanic devil's work and this proving it, your heart is in the wrong place.

Metal isn't some thing for you to prove is legit to ignorant conservatives. A tragedy took place, a psychotic man killed a mother and child. Your concerns should be with the family. Not metal's standing in the mainstream media."

You're right yeah, It is only ignorant people who would blame this tragedy on metal, and just to be clear my concerns are absolutely with the family. What I said shouldn't be a concern.

I give my condolences to the family.

RIP To the people that lost there lives.

"Bastard should've just shot himself instead of killing innocents"

Or he coulda gotten mental health help and avoided the whole thing bc ya know

This is awful, and so is this thread.

This is fucking tragic, i just hope the kids get the support and the people around them to help them somehow get through this.

My condolences to everyone involved in this needless display of violence. Let's think about the victims, not the man who committed the act.

"This is fucking tragic, i just hope the kids get the support and the people around them to help them somehow get through this."

Absolutely, I can't imagine what they're going through :[

Holy fuck, flyhead you're the worst kind of everything, not just the worst kind of metalhead.

Oh okay, still complete garbage.

Jeez, I don't even know what to say, easily the most fked up thing i've read in a while in regards to a tragedy. I'd like to think something set Joe Frankulin off and made him flip out instead of him just being a heartless killer but who knows. RIP to those that were lost and best wishes to everyone involved, this is ridiculously heavy.

Wow this is super fucked up.

can we all not

Stop saying dumb things. This has nothing to do with metal or music, and you have little concern with those who would say otherwise.

If you actually care most about a few old christians or some shit talking about metal music being the satanic devil's work and this proving it, your heart is in the wrong place.

Metal isn't some thing for you to prove is legit to ignorant conservatives. A tragedy took place, a psychotic man killed a mother and child. Your concerns should be with the family. Not metal's standing in the mainstream media.

can we not

terrible, terrible news. glad that the other two kids are safe, but jesus christ...

We want Static! We want Static!

Brutal

I mean you have to be pretty fucked in the head to be in band you take seriously called "Goatlord"

"Can someone explain to me what "we should think of the victims" means? Thinking about them isn't going to bring anyone back from the dead, and turning our attentions towards people who just went through a tragedy seems like a dick move. Unless your support of the victims involves something greater than "thinking" whatever that means it seems like a baseless statement."

holy shit, youre actually complaining about this.

everything youve said in this thread alone leads me to believe that you have few friends, no girlfriend, and are socially awkward. nobody with any of those things gets annoyed by people saying "we should think of the victims."

i bet youre one of those people who gets offended when people say "bless you" because of "muh atheist buhliefs"

can we all just not

where do you think you are?

Horrible tragedy and that's that.

There's no bigger picture here stemming to society or metal as a genre, just a psychotic individual who committed the most heinous crime.

Thoughts are with the families involved. Some of you need to take a step back and think about what you actually spatting on about.

some of y'all also need to back off and stop being so edgy

can we all just

not

rip. poor kids probably gonna be scarred for life.

"Stop saying dumb things. This has nothing to do with metal or music, and you have little concern with those who would say otherwise.

If you actually care most about a few old christians or some shit talking about metal music being the satanic devil's work and this proving it, your heart is in the wrong place.

Metal isn't some thing for you to prove is legit to ignorant conservatives. A tragedy took place, a psychotic man killed a mother and child. Your concerns should be with the family. Not metal's standing in the mainstream media."

just playing devil's advocate here, but I'm pretty sure it's possible to care about more than one thing at a time. I'm not looking forward to whatever backlash will happen from ignorant people saying this is more proof about metal being for psychos or what have you either. At the same time, it is possible for me to feel bad for the victims and the survivors and extend caring thoughts their way, which I do.

and you say this has nothing to do with metal or music, which I agree with, but that's not how a lot of people will be looking at this situation unfortunately.

even with the deleted comments this thread is still cancer

The cancer was treated. Thread went into remission. Unfortunately the cancer came back. Survival chances are slim

it's a more meaningful and consequential discussion than what happens in 98% of other threads

Agreed with evolfird