Xxx are you crazy or something

Lordy, he’s apologising for something - so some shit must have gone down.

sadly there will surely be more stories surfacing from the early 2000s warped tour era, the whole scene was full of shit like this

not much to say about jesse, he is his own biggest fan and this was clearly written with the help of a lawyer

In case someone didn't know yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJtSg5FOdos

he sounds like piece of shit. the lack of denial makes it seem like he wants to change, but he should probably lose everything for what he's done. might deserve prison.

he can only start again from the bottom

To say entire industries are fucked is weird. There is still a very small minority accused. Hollywood tho is another story

"To say entire industries are fucked is weird. There is still a very small minority accused. Hollywood tho is another story"

Come on man 99% of these bands were fucking underage scene girls.

"*Ephebophilia"

congrats, ur THAT guy

The Age Of Consent Should Be Lowered To 13!!!

#RoyMooreDinduNuffin

I notice how this guy didn't address the fact that the accuser was allegedly 15 at all

yea he didn't really address the incident at all

spirit you obviously don't read between the lines

"I have lots of sex with ppl who aren't my wife HALP ME" - response to getting accused of sex with a 15 year old

up there with Kevin spaceys response tbh lmao

lol of course he wouldn't mention the victim age/incident in details
just put out an apology that looks sincere enough and then cross your fingers most of your fans don't look into what exactly he's being accused of

Nonono we don't need to do this again

lol this guy is a piece of shit it's like he's trying to get everyone to feel sorry for him

"In an effort to address recent events and the public conversation currently happening, I feel it is important to make a clear and personal statement.
...
The fact remains that none of us get to put a wall up between who we are and who we were. I need to earn forgiveness. Concepts like repentance, compassion, and love, are made real through actions, and it’s through my actions that I need to prove change. I hope I can show humility, and that the pain I have caused people can heal. I am not above reproach, and no one should be.
Jesse Lacey"


Yeah, but did you do it tho

I don't know why these guys don't just deny, deny, deny.

Roy Moore's going to be elected Senator by just saying "fake news" and carrying on. These half-hearted apologies make no sense.

pop punk vocalist is a pedo, damn never saw that one coming!

I notice how this guy didn't address the fact that the accuser was allegedly 15 at all [2]

smooth move Lace

I know everyone is gonna scream at me omg separate the art from the artist!!1!... but listening to Brand New now definitely feels a little weird

If you're around my age (late 20s) you've known hes been a massive piece of shit for at least 10 years. And without guilt it actually hasnt stopped me from enjoying their music. I can disconnect one from the other, but i know a lot of people can't and rightfully so.

"I don't know why these guys don't just deny, deny, deny.

Roy Moore's going to be elected Senator by just saying "fake news" and carrying on. These half-hearted apologies make no sense."

Its guilt mixed with self interest, where the self interest prevails, but the guilt remains. Moore has no guilt or perspective at all.

where do u draw the line tho...cuz surely there has to be a line? i doubt there are ppl blasting lost prophets rn for example

Nobody cares that you cheat dude lol... not what this is about like at all

'where do u draw the line tho...cuz surely there has to be a line?'

obviously the line is 'artists i like'

188k monthly listeners on spotify

He doesn't even admit to the incident directly

"where do u draw the line tho...cuz surely there has to be a line? i doubt there are ppl blasting lost prophets rn for example"

People are blasting MJ. They are watching Kevin Spacey Movies. They are certainly watching Weinstein Company movies. They are reading dostojewski even tho he hated jews. I'd venture to say that a lot of artists who are/were very popular have done horrible, fucked up shit and their art still remains popular. It's valid to seperate the artist from the art imo.

I mean, the guy in lostprophets raped babies...jesse had a manipulative relationship with a 15 year old, and they didnt even fuck until she was 19. Still fucked obviously but not even in the same ballpark.

waitwaitwait
the lostprophets guy did what?

"even tho I hated jews"

do you still hate them?

obviously the line is 'artists i like'

VaxXi you're 100% correct. Im a big stand up comedy fan but i cant listen to Louis CK after all this. too much of it reflects his actual misconducts disguised as jokes. Lacey's lyrics definitely also have that quality within them and are very hard to listen to now. But he isnt just a guy on stage ranting. Ive always related more to the music than Jesse's lyrics.

I draw the parallel of Woody Allen who married his adoptive daughter and has also been a massive misogynist but also made some of the best movies of all time

Is he a terrible person? Yes
Should he be held accountable? Definitely Yes
Should he not be allowed to work in Hollywood again? a resounding yes.
Are those movies still good movies? Sadly yes.

"They are reading dostojewski even tho I hated jews."

??

@neek he literally raped babies, you didnt hear about that?

yea neek watkins is fucked. look it up there’s a lot to unpack there

I wonder when Jesse will announce that he chooses to live as a gay man.

Yeah how did you not hear about that shit

I just did jesus fuck that's despicable

Apparently Ian Watkins is allowed to tweet from prison, lmao what.

Yeah when I heard it on the radio at the time I literally didn't know what to say, I sorta just sat there in disgust

last train home is still a bangin song tho

Well, this sucks. Feel bad for the victim(s). Sad thing is that this isn’t surprising. Jesse’s music is all about him being a piece of shit. Now we just have specifics. Still will listen to Brand New, and will still be one of my favorite bands. At least Jesse apologized (half-hearted as it may be). He deserves whatever repercussions come his way. Hopefully he has made a real effort to better himself and I hope he at least privately apologizes to the victims directly. Anyway, there’s my 2 cents.

Jesse being a piece of shit shouldn't affect anyone's enjoyment of the music.

"Hopefully he has made a real effort to better himself and I hope he at least privately apologizes to the victims directly."

One of the victims (A girl named Leah, the one who was 15) replied to Jesse's statement on the Facebook and it was absolutely scathing, it turned into a giant shitstorm I think it's still up.

this thread is boring AF

XXXtentacion you should chill... dafuq is wrong with you brah? 1'ing brand new albums all of a sudden, did Lacey touch you too? snoflaik

Michael Jackson built a whole amusement park to snare kiddies and made their parents millionaires - this dude has so much catching up to do.

MJ is still the king at this.

don’t know if brand new money is enough to do that

Well, this sucks. Feel bad for the victim(s). Sad thing is that this isn’t surprising [2]

I mean, we knew the guy was a piece of work, but I guess I expected him to at least address the fact that she was underage. His statement is just so tone-deaf, I think I'm out.

Yeah he knew how to snatch some undeveloped genitalia

umm no he didn't doof

also he was acquitted of all charges and denied all allegations til his death

He definitely did some bad shit key

C’mon, he clearly missed out on a normal childhood and had a lot of issues

[2]

ah yes he had a lot of issues growing up so it must be true

Another week, another pop punk artist abusing minors.

"Another week, another pop punk artist abusing minors."

Why can't we just go back to having pop punk artists kick minors off stages, like Parker Cannon of The Story So Far?

The people who have abused probably think it's okay because all their fans are 14.

Hint: It doesn't make it okay. Do their moms or something.

girl said he never touched her until she was 19... so...

He was still showin' Mr. Johnson off.

yeah he was, and she said she has screenshots, why was she taking them? either she liked it, or she wanted to brag about it... or maybe use them against him in order to get some money, if you don't like what you're seeing you just end the video chat and tell him to fuck off right?

"if you don't like what you're seeing you just end the video chat and tell him to fuck off right?"

That's super tight and all, but uhh she was 15. He's a piece of shit for even attempting to start/groom that relationship.

how could he know she was 15??? I'm just assuming shit bruv, I don't know if she told him or not, she doesn't mention it so maybe she never did... if she did, then it's Lacey's fault...

"yeah he was, and she said she has screenshots, why was she taking them? either she liked it, or she wanted to brag about it... or maybe use them against him in order to get some money, if you don't like what you're seeing you just end the video chat and tell him to fuck off right?"

how does this absolve him of pulling his shit out in the first place again

this dude man lmfao

"how does this absolve him of pulling his shit out in the first place again"

Like you, I don't know, a no one knows how it went... maybe she asked him for it, maybe he suggested it... maybe at the time he was pulling his stuff he didn't know she was 15... or maybe he pulled his stuff when she was 17... who knows bruv? everyone's implying shit...

allegations
allegation
allegaton
allegaon
allegaeon
shit band

"allegaeon"
"shit band"
You take that back.

"His dick obviously wasn't her favorite weapon."
Aight can we ban him now?

I mean, even if she didn't tell him initially or if he didn't ask at all, I'm pretty sure he knew soon thereafter. Like, he gave her an e-mail address, pretty sure she was living at her parents house so he couldn't call? See what I'm saying? Feels like a red flag to me. I don't see how the "Oh he didn't know her age" argument works at all

"everyone's implying shit"
While that is true, that fact that this situation even exits is despicable. There should be no reason to try and pin-point exactly the timing or who said what. I mean legally yeah maybe it's good to figure out wtf happened. But the court of public opinion shouldn't be "well wait, how did this go down exactly? Maybe hes not THAT big of a piece of shit"

It's far from the worst joke that's been made about a situation like this. Calm down, Jesse admitted to being a piece of shit, no-one's denying that.

"Like you, I don't know, a no one knows how it went... maybe she asked him for it, maybe he suggested it... maybe at the time he was pulling his stuff he didn't know she was 15... or maybe he pulled his stuff when she was 17... who knows bruv? everyone's implying shit... "

was this on omegle or some shit? i thought they knew each other

I always thought Lacey was gay.

Not shittin' you.

fuck kinda name is jesse lacey

sounds like a pornstar

If they're fake allegations, why would Jesse admit to them?

^^^

Like why would you argue someone's innocence when they admit their guilt? It's not like he's trying to cover for someone, Jesse Lacey did some shit with teens online and got outed.

skype started like in 2005 tho

"Skype
Software
Skype is a telecommunications application software product that specializes in providing video chat and voice calls between computers, tablets, mobile devices, the Xbox One console, and smartwatches via the Internet and to regular telephones. Wikipedia
Initial release date: August 2003"

yea but the widespread use of it started around late '05

I miss MSN Messenger tbh

If you read the girls statement it implies their relationship started with just her sending nudes and then it evolved to include skype later.

I am so glad I have never heard of the dude/band....

Brilliant move. Responding to the allegations with a rambling statement that doesn't even mention them. What a man.

he can't exactly admit to the underage thing though. admitting to soliciting child pornography is a bad idea. he could get into legal trouble if he mentioned it.

Who in their right mind would incriminate themselves like that.

"Responding to the allegations with a rambling statement that doesn't even mention them. "
He won't even deny it either

Not denying it is his way of admitting it without incriminating himself

one who doesn't want to put behind bars yeah

no denying that, I'm just trying to explain why he would not want to firmly declare criminal activities

How old was Lace during those 15 year old allegations ?

it's not easy, not because I'm uncomfortable with the fact of listening to the work of a bad person, but because watching the fanbase crumble is breaking my heart. This was such a great year for them, they got critical acclaim from mainstream publications with the new album, it went to #1 on the charts, and they were supposed to ride off into the sunset with an amazing legacy. Now people are denouncing them and the perfect ending is shattered, and all those fans who quit on them just make me so sad.

Well, maybe JL shouldn't be a piece of shit?

Fuck their "perfect ending"

a story told in 2 parts
https://i.imgur.com/93790Ta.png

"Not denying it is his way of admitting it without incriminating himself"
No doubt

"It must suck having these types of allegations against your all-time favorite artist. Sowing must've had an existential crisis lol"

If we can't burn our idols they soon become our shackles.

what's weird is that in other forums Jesse has a lot of defenders. Mostly from women who empathize with the situation and admit they would eagerly trade places with the victim if they were in the same situation.
Makes you think.

a lot previously teenage girls kicking themselves over missing this oppurtunity...

weird

gonna jam lostprophets

I have the photos.
He’s hung like a grain of rice.

Microscopic, you say?

"He's hung like a grain of rice."

My sides

Zak he’d applied a 200% zoom to them too

zak, DM me.

ehhh okay.

"Makes you think."

It's no secret that people don't take sex abuse seriously when it involves someone they find attractive.

"what's weird is that in other forums Jesse has a lot of defenders. Mostly from women who empathize with the situation and admit they would eagerly trade places with the victim if they were in the same situation.
Makes you think."

Yeah man, it makes you think about how predatory male behavior, extremely imbalanced relationships and internalized misogyny are normalized and that's why the band scene gets away with so much abusive shit.

Seriously, I can't read the tone of this comment properly but if you're implying something negative of why the victim is just accusing him now, fuck off.

I'm a sex addict lol

I choose now to live as a gay man.

I didn't know her age bro, I thought she looked 20...

i mean i get what shes saying but im a gay sex addict so its all good

I’ll still listen to Brand New, just like I’m going to continue watching good Spacey movies. It’s not that hard to just take the product for what it is

Idk I just can’t find myself caring very much

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well ill be dammed

Well this is creepy

I bet it ruins that time my sister got the meet Brand New at a signing when she was 16

"I bet it ruins that time my sister got the meat Brand New"

lol

oh yeah Ars you're actually from Long Island lol

tbh i'm glad he addressed it, but it's kind of fucked that he put the onus on his personal demons instead of just saying 'i fucked up. i've made strides to become a better person. if the victim/survivor wants any kind of restorative justice i'll run not walk' etc. also glad this got posted on sputnik despite a certain staffers insistence that it didn't qualify as news *extremely thinking emoji*

also like three years ago this thread woulda been chocka with victim blaming bullshit and idk i feel we've come far as a community :')

you're only sorry cuz you got caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaught

at least pretend you didn't wanna get caught

"I didn't know her age bro, I thought she looked 20..."

This is exactly what got Jessie in trouble lol

I used to know the name of every person I kissed
Now I'm made this bed
and I can't fall asleep in it

"oh yeah Ars you're actually from Long Island lol"

Yes.

Now I know that you stole
Yeah you stole
From the cradles they were rocked in

now that I remember that you seem a lot closer to the situation than I thought

Would just like to point out that no one has come out against Lil Wayne

It would be infinitely more terrible if they had finished out 2018 the way they planned, as gods of the scene, while the people Jesse victimized have to sit by and listen to all the adoration thrown his way. I'm glad it came out now. Their "legacy" isn't unimportant and it's pretty selfish if that's what's breaking your heart right now

Who is really surprised that Jesse did something he should be truly ashamed of? The sexual nature of it is alluded to in many of his songs. I mean TDAG has what a 4.5 average on here and you guys thought he was some angel? Do you think he just pulled that level of self-loathing and the artistic communication of it out of his ass? That is an album of true regret and remorse, and we all experience that in some way and many people on here probably rated it so high because they can relate to those feelings, but almost all I see is this holier than thou shit. But Jesus Christ he didn't commit the absolute worst crime imaginable - we need to have justice proportionate to the crime. We should believe victims but also not just throw the perpetrator into the abyss and let them develop into a real monster just so that we can announce our own morality by condemning them.

What he did was awful, but I see a man who made mistakes based on bodily urges - after which he lived in regret for many years, stopped his behavior, sought professional help, and apologized. Sure I wish he directly apologized to the girl who accused him, but hell maybe he did in private. What he has done publicly is enough for me. I am not God. The guy is trying to improve himself and has been for a long time I mean shit.

Brand New is still what it always was to me - an honest story about introspection and making peace with one's mistakes.

It's entirely selfish. I'll be the first to admit it. Doesn't mean it's not how I feel. And that opens up another debate about whether I should prefer the picture-perfect ending or the "morally right" one

Why not just hate the person, but love the music?

Don't punish yourself for what he did by boycotting his music or anything, but also hate him for it

Why hate the person for mistakes he made so many years ago? People deserve second chances. Jesse Lacey seems to have been in turmoil about what he did, it's not like he's a sociopath who did not regret anything.

We can feel disgusted by his actions in the past, but not by the person who is more than these actions now.

The allegations from the other young girls sound even worse than from this one tbh

Did he physically touch them? If not, I can't see how it could be worse, unless it involves feces.

DAMN.

Noro sounds a little more intense now

"Why not just hate the person, but love the music?

Don't punish yourself for what he did by boycotting his music or anything, but also hate him for it"

yeah agreed, same goes for all art

Vin wrote that one lol

"Why hate the person for mistakes he made so many years ago? People deserve second chances. Jesse Lacey seems to have been in turmoil about what he did, it's not like he's a sociopath who did not regret anything."

Umm because he never faced any consequences back then

Calling him a pedophile is a bit much. He never touched underage kids. So. He did some stupid sexting with an underage girl. If you want to criticize him at least get it straight. Furthermore, you can listen to the music still and if you don't want to, oh well, but don't tell others they're bad people for still listening. The music is good. It's good. You know it is if you were a prior fan of the band. Why lie about it? I've seen a lot of people online putting him in the same group as Harvey Weinstein which isn't really fair. Harvey actually raped people.

start #nudesforjesse on tumblr Eons

revenge porn?

edit: ah, nudes for jesse. lol

Oh yeah, fuck nuance. The moral police trumps all. Behead him. I am a perfect being. Never done anything wrong, herpa derpa doo, fuck you.

this case is about as nuanced as rhyming 'herpa derpa doo' with 'fuck you' teehee

exercising nuance is honestly so tiring tbh

btw people itt kinda agree with you, save for some exceptions. it ok

yeah i dunno i never loved this band that much so im personally not gonna miss out by not listening to any more music but i sure would be in an ethical pickle if it was one of my favorite artists

but karin is my favorite artist and she'd never do that shit she's god

whatever. Karin abuses homeless people and protests at the funerals of soldiers.

lmao links

"yeah i dunno i never loved this band that much so im personally not gonna miss out by not listening to any more music but i sure would be in an ethical pickle if it was one of my favorite artists"

I started listening to them this year and automatically loved their work so I'm very conflicted right now tbh but at the same time I'm not here for people downplaying grooming/harassment or bellitting other people's legitimate reasons to be angry and hurt by this. Just shows how some people don't take sexual harassment and predatory behavior seriously.

yeah i dunno its hard to say what is the most ~moral~ stance on that so for me like im not gonna judge anyone who continues to listen to brand new but personally im not going to be giving them any more of my money or time in light of this. same with crystal castles.

thats an issue thats complex enough that i think it just comes down to a personal choice on whether you think you can feel good about continuing to listen to them.

I'd say if they release new music I won't give a fuck, but I'm not sure what to do about the rest of their discography. Not sure how I feel yet.

Also, as for some posters' points re: Jesse's self-loathing pointing to something bad:
That's definitely the right reading to have now imo, but as a depressive, anxious and victim of emotional abuse person I can say from experience that these kinds of issues mess with your self-perception and often I end up blowing my own mistakes and flaws out of proportion. So idk, I always wondered if Jesse's struggles had something to do with that.

"yeah i dunno i never loved this band that much so im personally not gonna miss out by not listening to any more music but i sure would be in an ethical pickle if it was one of my favorite artists"

basically my exact thoughts

I am not in an ethical pickle re: my own listening and I can't imagine myself ever being impacted by any thing an artist does; he could be a literal Klansman and murder dozens and I'd still enjoy the music just the same. I can still hear a Lostprophets song and not feel the need to turn away from it. (hell I never even heard a Lostprophets song before their breakup)

yeah, lostprophets sucked before the frontdude was shown to be a literal uber-pedo nazi

This was all over my Facebook feed today. Everyone is calling the apology shit and that Jesse is basically playing the victim, which I can agree with to a degree, but there are way worse crimes that other musicians have committed. They are still admired to this day, for the most part.

which is why I think in the end, it'll probably blow over. Swans made a final album and quietly ended without any drama, and to this day I don't think people still obsess over the fact that Gira raped someone, they're still respected

i'm still not convinced gira raped anyone

Cheating on your wife is fucked enough though, let alone the other allegations.

the wife seems to be ok with it now, why aren't you? and what's it to ya?

I'm sure she just fell down the stairs.

cheating is a more nuanced issue -- they could have been distanced, maybe they gave each other time, etc.; it's not quite like punching your spouse

Gira raped jesse

So yeah, it's ephebophilia not pedophilia. The fact Jesse is not a sick fuck doesn't take the fact he did something ILLEGAL. People need to detach whatever is right/wrong, or normal/not normal behavior from legal/illegal. His wife is still married to him so I guess she forgives whatever he did, but ideally there should be at least a slap in the wrist for his actions.

He apologized and confessed his inner demons raging inside his head (see what I did?) but it still doesn't take the fact he did something illegal that shouldn't happened.

With all that said I laugh at how in these situations somehow everyone suddenly is a fucking saint pointing the actions revealed, rather than the legality of the matter.

This makes "Me Vs. Maradona Vs. Elvis" a LOT darker.

I hope the victim gets all the support she needs because speaking up about this shit is hard af

"I got desperate desires and unadmirable plans
My tongue will taste of gin and malicious intent
Bring you back to the bar get you out of the cold
My sober straight face gets you out of your clothes"

I'm really torn at the moment. I adore this band. It shouldn't affect the way I hear the music, but it does.

"if only jesse had an ethical pickle"

HAH

Sic Transit kinda feels different now too

i think separate the art from the artist thing is fine when what makes them a shitty person isnt reflected in the art

but WOW is it reflected in deja, or at least in parts of it

Sic Transit Gloria is still about a male victim.
The entirety of Deja Entendu is about deconstructing clichés about fame and displaying their darkest side to show how it's not the glamor that's presented. I'm still fine with it.

"...There are way worse crimes that other musicians have committed. They are still admired to this day, for the most part."

COUGHredhotchilipeppersCOUGHCOUGH

I'll be waiting for Pete Wentz and Andy Hurley of Fall Out Boy to be exposed

Shit, if Lacey did what RHCP did he'd have to buy a pair of baby socks.

dated a 15 year old when he was 23, which is a well known fact at this point

and then the guy who exposed Jesse in the first place is the guitar tech for FOB, so people in the comments rightfully called him out for hypocrisy due to Wentz's shit and the fact that Andy Hurley is known for his parties involving lots of booze and underage fans

the entire genre is weirdly obsessed with adolescence

grown ass men constantly singing about highschool and shit

they're the musical equivalent of those guys that peaked in high school agreed

I believe he meant band name.

Louie CK shouldn't shock anyone. Half that show was about masturbation and what he'd do to women if given the opportunity.

Louis CK is still hilarious and I'll still watch his stand-up.

This isn't 1984. You don't erase someone just because they fall out of favor.

at first I thought you meant the year

I've always wondered who dane cook's fan was.

dane cook's about as funny as green apple flavored candy

green apple flavored anything is shite

green apple candy is dope the fuck

I used to jam Brand New hard and now I don’t know if I can go back to them ever again.

w o w i am appaled. this is as bad as or worse than ian wantkids. im done, just burned all the rare merch i had and all these first vinyl pressings, fuck this shit.

burning plastic carries a 20 year prison sentence in confinement

how can anyone compare this to watkins who tried to rape a 2 year old baby wtf

who did that

"how can anyone compare this to watkins who tried to rape a 2 year old baby wtf"

oh so what you're saying is that in this case it isn't a big deal??? just because you like the band???? yeah dude keep supporting sexual assault cool man wtf

"im done, just burned all the rare merch i had and all these first vinyl pressings, fuck this shit."

this is hilarious on so many levels

It’s a big deal sure but what Ian did is one of the worst things I’ve ever heard

In many European countries the allegations Lacey is facing wouldn't even be considered illegal (depending on the mental state of the girl at that time, if he clearly abused her still non existent sexual selfawareness it's different). What Watkins did outet him as a total psychopath on the other hand.

I haven't read the actual allegations yet (this thread is the first time I've heard of anything), but on the art vs artist thing - I think there's generally a spectrum.

I've never been under the illusion that all of these famous people in the music or movie industry are saints, so I'm not terribly surprised when stuff comes out about them.

Whether or not I can enjoy the art then depends on how superlative the art is, how egregious the crime was, and the context (e.g was it a painter from 1500 in a time when whatever was seen as normal or whatever). And also how the character flaws and crimes are reflected in the art.

I hate to say that the magnitude of the art plays a role because it makes me a hypocrite but it's true - I listen to Burzum's early albums even though Varg is literally a murderer and generally an insane person. Same goes for Storm of the Light's Bane or In the Nightside Eclipse despite Nodveidt or Bard's crimes. Years later I have to admit I haven't exactly reconciled my enjoyment of the albums with my dislike of the artists.

Sex crimes resonate more strongly than murder somehow and I don't know what that says about our society, or if that's just the way it should be because of the nature of the pain caused. I've stopped watching movies and shows involving the recent accused which really means a huge chunk of content in the case of Weinstein. I guess I'll decide on Brand New when I have more information.

I feel less bad about separating the art from the artist when it doesn't provide any financial reward to the artist. E.g the members of arghoslent or famine from peste noire might hate me for my race, but the music is good and I pirated that shit anyways. Then there's the degree issue I spoke to about because as far as I know both of those entities just talk about their unsavoury views and haven't actually acted on them.

I don't know, I'm rambling at this point and I think the choice of whether or not you can continue to enjoy the art of an unsavoury artist is one that has to be made in a case by case basis. In many cases we seem to raise up art that explores the darker aspects of the human experience, and I wonder if it's reasonable for us to expect that that darkness has no root in the reality of the artist.

it sounds like sex addiction, whatever he did he's not the same man anymore. no excuse for it, but I'm taking some comfort in the fact he admitted wrongdoing

I would have prefered if he faced the situation head on, and apologized for showing his dingdong to a teenage girl, instead of elusively talking about how he was a frail sex-addict.
Other than that, I agree with Itwasthatwas.

Can anyone give me a good reason to stop listening to this band?

Is bad

Any way you look at it we should probably cancel Warped Tour

I can agree with that.

Let that shit die.

Jonny Craig today was accused in a facebook group of soliciting nudes from a 15 year old and threatening to post them online, and he's also been accused of raping someone whilst on heroin. I knew he was a shithead but COME ON who's next? Bowie? Morrisey? "coming up next, Freddie Mercury: dog rapist"

sorry guys is it safe to use sput yet

like is showing your dick to a 14 year old requirement to play warped or something? goddamnit

That scene was a nightmare back in the day, it's no surprise to me that tons of stories are going to start trickling out now that someone started.

Bowie already has his shit aired

"Jonny Craig today was accused in a facebook group of soliciting nudes from a 15 year old and threatening to post them online, and he's also been accused of raping someone whilst on heroin"

I don't even need the facts to know that's true

this once again proves that jesse lacey is a fuckin pussy lol, brand new was irrelevant even after science fiction came out and he'd never have another popular music project anyway, so i'd just say summat like 'fuck y'all, yeah i did that shit and she didn't die so what are you guys even bitchin about lmao', you have nothing to lose dude, but once again P U S S Y

not mentioning the 15 year old in his apology was likely to avoid legal punishment not because of saving his public reputation because that shits already been destroyed beyond repair at this point

sup bubs

eh, reputation isn't destroyed for me bub

i'm more referring to the overall opinion of him in the public eye not what i think of him personally (tho yea he is or at least was a piece of shit)

what up doomes

nothing much, regretting my life decisions as always, what about u?

basically gotta sit in a hot as fuck booth pressing play and pause on a bell sound effect for like 5 hours a day so yea nothin much either

oh shit, that doesn't sound fun yeah

Can people keep these discussions where they belong please?... in the Devil & God review thread. That album needs a few bumps because it's so overlooked on sputnikmusic.com.

really underappreciated gem ye

“like is showing your dick a requirement to play warped or something? goddamnit ”

Raises some questions about Katy Perry’s

"not sure if srs but do some googling if you feel like being grossed out"

I have no heroes anymore

I just really hope it doesn't come out that Mark Hoppus was some kind of creepy fuck. I really like Mark Hoppus

TBH with blink I’d say likelihood of creepiness would go: Tom (on drugs), Travis, Tom (off drugs), Mark

they cancelled their UK shows lul

"TBH with blink I’d say likelihood of creepiness would go: Tom (on drugs), Travis, Tom (off drugs), Mark"

lmao

maybe Tom isn't on drugs and there's just some crazy shit going right now,

did Jesse actually rape anyone? or is all of this because a 26 year old jerked it to a 15 year old on skype?

Brand New are in now inevitably in the shitter and folks are surprised like "Wow its so unexpected that all these shitty bands and artists are predators" Lol no it's not. They had like some creepy dudes stalking a little kid on their album art. Those guys looked fucked from the start.

Jonny Craig doesn't surprise me at all and i still happily listen to DBM. i guess the difference is I went into DGD knowing he was a piece of shit. also they've clearly proven that they are so much more than an old front man

What a piece of shit. Doesn't even mention the victim, the fact that she was 15 when propositioned, and that he groomed her for 4 years after the fact. In true narcissistic form Lacey tries to poo-poo it away as having a sexual addiction and obscures the truth - he's a pedophile. The sad thing is this sort of thing isn't even uncommon in the industry and is quite encouraged in many instances, largely for blackmail purposes. Get ready Sputnik, a whole bunch of your favorite bands are going to have an asterisk next to their name soon...

'not sure if srs but do some googling if you feel like being grossed out"

didn't the chick lie about her age? i dont believe there was any bad blood either. still unfortunate but really not a noteworthy incident

This isn’t the steroid era, we don’t put asterisks

Yeah RE: Blink182 just watch Joe Rogan's podcast episode with Tom, he's lost his mind.

"Doesn't even mention the victim, the fact that she was 15 when propositioned"

As has been said a billion times in this thread, he was wise not to incriminate himself for that for legal reasons

and chasing after a 15 yo is technically not a pedophile, as some of our resident psychology students have noted. not that it matters but

"They had like some creepy dudes stalking a little kid on their album art. Those guys looked fucked from the start." LOL

"
As has been said a billion times in this thread, he was wise not to incriminate himself for that for legal reasons"

also there are likely multiple victims

" In true narcissistic form Lacey tries to poo-poo it away as having a sexual addiction and obscures the truth - he's a pedophile."

he isn't necessarily a paedophile just cos he abused his power to take advantage of adoring fans

"15 yo is technically not a pedophile" yeah same with 12 year olds right? jesus fucking christ

"yeah same with 12 year olds right? jesus fucking christ"

yeah, no. as it turns out, age-related classifications are dependant on age.
not really sure tho, i'm not a psychologist

he's morally fucked in the head. nothing more to say. the guy is total garbage. you really can't make an excuse for this behavior; the "he was naive, made a mistake" bullshit is getting really dumb.

any of you have kids? do you know how impressionable a 15 year old is? as far as i can tell, there is no suitably rational reaction to this other than anger and disgust.

there's a big difference between a 12 yr old and a 15 yr old come on

not to downplay the situation but if you think the only reason someone would pursue someone underaged is cos they're a paedophile and that this is all this situation is about then ur dumb tbh

he's a pedophile. should be jailed. move on.

the difference is from the standpoint of psychology, not law. never said it was ok to pry on 15 yo kids (lol obviously)

but still, there's a world of difference between 12 and 15 years old

child abuser =/= paedophile

"there's a world of difference between 12 and 15 years old"

it makes no difference, as it doesn't do anything to make the ethics of such sadistic behavior any less reprehensible.

I think 12 is technically counted as pedophilia in the psychological definition. 12 and under = pedo, 13-15 hebe, and 16-19 is ephebe

ethics is black and white guys dw animals has it sorted

https://memestatic2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Yes+i+wanted+it+too+_6c783155b49eced982969c437b5d2746.jpg

"but still, there's a world of difference between 12 and 15 years old"

yea when ur 12 or 15...but when ur 32 there should be no difference

for one, neither can legally give consent so...

it's so disgusting; the specifics never render anything pragmatic... it happened already. this kind of discussion only allows for us to rationalize what he did. hardly useful unless you're attempting to downplay what he did, in fact the opposite.

"this kind of discussion only allows for us to rationalize what he did"

not really, it's actually really useful being able to characterize a predator

what that 12 is different than 15? like no shit lol. what an in depth look into his psyche

"The Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows"

The irony.

yea regardless of what weird ass prefix u use in front of -phile, it doesnt change the fact that he abused an underage girl

oh wow. He didnt even deny it.

well yea he did it why lie to it and get in even deeper shit further down the line

if you're guilty, just confess tbh

i feel bad for his wife

I just guess most artists would deny it, as an impulse. Who wants to end up like that Lost Prophets guy? Obviously, no one. But still, this is sad and terrible of course. Best luck to him and his marriage and future endeavors. What an album to go out on, all things considered.

It's interesting to think about the fact that people used to get married off at 14-15.

I have no interest in defending or attacking Jessy Lacey until there's more information but theres' obviously a difference between 12 and 15 year olds to the point that a number of European countries include 15 year olds as being able to consent.

I personally agree that 15 is too young, but do agree with 16 as the age of consent as it is in Canada, Australia, and many states. Even that's weird when you're in your mid-20s like Lacey was alleged to be but not so in situations like 16 and 18-19.

"as far as i can tell, there is no suitably rational reaction to this other than anger and disgust."

Theres no suitably rational reaction other than a reaction that has nothing to do with rationality and everything to do with emotion?

Makes sense.

AdolfChrist coming in his with his nazi-christian insight

and now the tour dates are being canceled or postponed

"i feel bad for his wife "

Why? She knew all this stuff before she agreed to marry him.

So...are they still a band?

You two arent the sharpest tools in the shed, are ya.

i am but not the other guy

Idk who that other guy is but ive seen you around and you sure arent.

well obviously i'm smarter than you bc you're too dumb to understand that jesse lacey is a PEDOPHILE just like ian wantkids and deserves to be put away for a long long time and/or death penalty

Henry, they've already announced their plans to break up in 2018. That was established long before this.

How convenient

"well obviously i'm smarter than you bc you're too dumb to understand that jesse lacey is a PEDOPHILE just like ian wantkids and deserves to be put away for a long long time and/or death penalty"

please tell me you're being this fucking stupid ironically

"please tell me you're being this fucking stupid ironically"

dude you cant tell me that he's not a pedophile if he's getting child porn from an underage girl, like you cant even justify that unless your a straight up pedophile yourself, serious wtf is wrong with you people, we should really support the victim of this heinous crime

Lotta pedo-apologists ITT

Lacey is a fucking child abuser and what he did was illegal. End of.

Don Henley, up next! http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2017/11/blind-item-1-he-made-millions-from.html?m=1

death penalty is extreme tbh but he deff should be charged and be put on the RSO list

uh no the emotional torment that this girl has been facing is unforgivable, her life has basically been ruined for 12 years now over it. he did technically rape her of her innocence so yes he deserves the death penalty as harsh as that sounds it's the only way to prevent this monster from ever harming anyone again

the overwhelming majority of criminologists agree that the death penalty really isn't that effective in preventing crime. if anything, all it will do is encourage people who do commit this sort of act to go to even further measures of desperation to avoid getting caught.

"he did technically rape her of her innocence so yes he deserves the death penalty as harsh as that sounds it's the only way to prevent this monster from ever harming anyone again"

try not to cut yourself on that edge

ok well then lock him in solitary confinement for life or something

black kapes you have my seal of approval, although death seems a bit much, he should be totally jailed and far far away from society tbh

Pitchfork has accounts by two of Lacey's victims: https://pitchfork.com/news/two-alleged-victims-of-brand-news-jesse-lacey-detail-years-of-sexual-exploitation-of-minors/?mbid=social_facebook

Reminder that Sowing said the first teen probably "begged to send the nudes".

man what a piece of work.
did sowing really say that? that's a disgusting thing to assume

Here's the post Sowing deleted after intense backlash: https://imgur.com/a/x3Hvm

Well he is right with the accused = guilty part. It doesn't matter any more what the final verdict will be. Even if everything was a hoax, his reputation is gone.

he's right about that, there is a lot of trial by social media these days. but he completely goes against that logic by assuming this girl begged to send them based of pure speculation and his bias towards Jesse

Piranhas have roamed the sea so far that they're now on social media.

Jesse Lacey did digusting things, but please remind yourselves of the huge difference between actual physical assault and this perversion from a distance (internet) of his.

The first one: the victim gets all her senses to experience the horrific lose of control over her/his own body. Plus mental damage.

The second one: mental damage and assault on honour. Bad, very bad, yes. But not rape.

And please: let's also distinguish between pedophiles or ephebophiles. (which, in fact, Jesse might not be, since he's obviously also attracted to grown women)

A pedophile has perverted attraction to completely childlike features. Ephebophiles feel attraction to very young signs of sexuality. Not kid features.

Again: I do not condone or try to apologize his behaviour. Just putting things in the rightful context. This lack of proportion is especially painful for real rape victims, as I've just read on a reddit thread, where these real rape victims complain about these Jesse Lacey victims getting put on the same level of endured horror as they have; They have not, not even close.

these guys are given an unruly amount of power over impressionable teenagers

many of them can't seem to handle that

"And please: let's also distinguish between pedophiles or ephebophiles. (which, in fact, Jesse might not be, since he's obviously also attracted to grown women)

A pedophile has perverted attraction to completely childlike features. Ephebophiles feel attraction to very young signs of sexuality. Not kid features."

^Pedophile rationalizing over here; gtfo^

still can't believe lacey is straight

^^I hope you're not serious?

his lyrics are gay as hell

only sufjan has written more homoerotic material

"he did technically rape her of her innocence"

does 'rape' even mean anything anymore

"these guys are given an unruly amount of power over impressionable teenagers. many of them can't seem to handle that"

i wouldn't give them that 'excuse' (i know it's not your intention to excuse them but). jesse knew what he was doing with that power. plenty of people have power over teenagers (teachers, adults in general, etc), but they don't all abuse children

this gay dude I met at a headshop offered to suck my dick

am I a victim?

just curious

no not yet

you have to wait 15 years

"Jesse Lacey did digusting things, but please remind yourselves of the huge difference between actual physical assault and this perversion from a distance (internet) of his."
are you out of the loop? I'm reading the allegations rn and one girl claims he forced himself on her physically in the green room at one of his shows

yeah jesse is not a cool guy

probably out of the loop. the first and most popular post about his sexual harassment involves only the skype thing -- details are coming out at irregular intervals too

"are you out of the loop? I'm reading the allegations rn and one girl claims he forced himself on her physically in the green room at one of his shows"

I was. Damn. I hope this latest is not true. God damn it

it's pop punk, of course she was

yeah she was 17 I think

edit: she was 18

how can one dude mess up so consistently

In Belgium, 17 would be considered above age of consent. Sickening I know, especially given that i've seen many teenagers who still look like kids when their even 20 (I was also a fine example of that).

"how can one dude mess up so consistently
"

I'm guessing seeing it work time and time again without consequences. And also the toxic atmosphere within their scene maybe?

i bet sexual harassment is not legal tho

idk, i don't see myself 'fucking up' as a pop punk musician like that. i can't imagine not knowing what you're doing or not being able to control yourself, i'm guessing he took free choice to abuse people

sexual addiction my ass

sexual manipulation addiction

poor control, as an excuse, applies when the action is simple, not as complex as sexually harassing someone for weeks at the time. even less of an excuse when you're doing it online -- not even being in the presence of the person gives you even more tools for self-control

piece of shit scumbag loser fuck

"especially given that i've seen many teenagers who still look like kids when their even 20 (I was also a fine example of that)."

So that's Bakker's problem, he was the world's first teenage 20-year-old.

jury found oj not guilty as well

--"His dick obviously wasn't her favorite weapon."

Aight can we ban him now?--


Ban him? Give the man a promotion.

Snide for staff.

have fun in prison lacey

six admits he's a eunuch

there's dozens of us

the second allegation sounds worse than the first, and i think theres more unprinted ones floating around the twitter feed

im willing to accept that jesse's now a changed man but i still think this band might need to disappear rn. i know they're just about to end the band so that means there's probably a shitload of touring coming up over the next year and it would be a serious financial loss to the band if they dont go for it but once allegations like this come out against someone, i kinda want that person to disappear (at least for a long while); seems like people would just be constantly reminded of their bullshit if they remain in the public eye

Fuck this guy and fuck Roy Moore running for senate

the day I find myself arguing the semantics of pedophilia on a music website will be the day I pack it in, perhaps from life altogether

Don't forget Karin also catfishes lonely men.

didn't chappelle answer this question like 20 years ago?

really though this entire thing is really fucked up.

i think peeps would be ok if they came back in like 5 or so years just to do the science fiction tour, but atm i couldnt imagine them going on what would have been a triumphant, emotional farewell tour if not for all this craziness. furthermore i think it would be an insult to the victims and any fans who identify with the victims if the name Brand New is up in huge letters on marquees all around the world over the next year.

woah dude

Even if he killed himself you don't think people would have spoke out after his death? Don't see how that would have saved his legacy

who said it was about his legacy??

"If only Jesse would have kept his big mouth shut and pulled a Chester the integrity of the band would exist."

"the integrity of the band would exist"

baron are you still trying to delude yourself into thinking this doesnt effect their career?

pots remember: wording, try being nicer - _-

"Damn I don't like what the lead singer did, better 1 their new album and probably shit on the rest of their discog as well" - Some of the extremely logical and mature people on this site

Not condoning what he did, and I'm not even a big fan of this band, but it's hilarious how predictable it is that their averages are dropping as a result.

It makes sense that the album averages are dropping. If this incident makes people enjoy the albums less of course the scores will reflect that. It is not necessarily something done just out of spite.

just posting in an epic sputnik thread. hopefully something positive comes from this within the music scene in general...

i'm mostly terrified with what bands will be next to go down the shitter; it's apparently all the rage now. i should stay off these news boards

a) people shouldn't enjoy the albums less
b) the 1s are clearly out of spite

asdfp im not interested in continuing to engage in your little neutered shitzu dry-hump sneak attacks the last couple days that you've somehow managed to inflate into a psychiatric pissing contest in your mind. if i needed unsolicited personal advice i wouldn't be asking you, thats for sure.

what does that comment even mean? lol

not like you've ever made a meaningful comment on this site tho

"what does that comment even mean? lol

not like you've ever made a meaningful comment on this site tho"

literally my response to every single one of ur posts

and pots: i really wish you well in what you're going through, but you've done absolutely nothing forward the change of attitude you purposed to yourself, save for the comments on that very list/statement.

you're posting negative comments everywhere, coming off with the same nasty attitude as usual, and it's not gonna help you in the long run

what has become of this thread?

six: obviously you're also going through some stuff mentally too, you admitted it yourself already so it's probably best if you relax a little bit


"oh here comes the amateur therapy" therapist*

faceth thy facts, broseth

guys, guys, guys

don't you see what's happening?

You're taking your anger and rage stemming from the untimely destruction of Brand New and you are misplacing it towards each other. I know it is sad that your collective favorite band has let you down, but you don't have to take it out on each other.

If we work together we can get past this. THERE IS HOPE.

thank god Brand New was never anything more than middling emo in the first place
praise be phil

Jesse Rapey.

On a serious note, his statement is pretty fucking stupid and cynical tbh.

I don't blame them, this threw a cog into literally all of their plans

"It's just damage control really."

It is, but he could've at least tried a bit harder. Like Louis C.K's response, for instance. It doesn't change the fact that what he did is terrible and disgusting, but at least he sounds legitimately distressed and regretful. Most importantly, he starts by saying that everything people's been saying is true. Unlike Jesse, who pretty much dodges all of the allegations against him.

"Louis CK actually admitted precisely to what he did yeah."

Yes, and that what legitimizes the fact that he's sorry for what he did, and that he regrets it. I mean, there's no turning back for him and his career, but at least he went out being honest. Fucking Jesse, man. Trying to make everyone feel sorry for him because of his "horrific sex addiction", instead of facing the fact that he's a pedophile.

"wow this turned into a shit show, who knew?"

A Brand New thread turning into a shit show?? That's impossible!!!!

i think its funny that there are people who are expecting him to come out and admit to doing something that could land him in jail. whether you think he should be in there or not, only a dumbass would incriminate themselves like that.

Some of you guys should Research the Term pedophile

Or you can just ask Pete Townshend what he found out after those hundreds of painful hours of research.

take some tips from Gary Glitter, he ought to know how this works

"yeah, because using the right words isnt important...i guess we can start saying he raped her now. i mean, close enough, right"

yea guys use the right words ffs, he was off by 2 whole years

do you know how much 2 years is? it's the difference between a child and a slightly older child

Research the Term, a forthcoming pop puink benefit concert