LOL

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I wish I could have been privy to this conversation. I bet it was interesting to say the least. I hope this doesn't stick with him and/or the band for too long. He's going to have to live with the shadow in his personal life regardless, hopefully it doesn't haunt him professionally.

i wasn't paying attention
was she raped or not?

also hehe
You said rectified

This whole thing was quite entertaining.

Wow

@deadtopain, I bet my life on it that they've never even spoken.

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Women piss me off so much I swear.

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I don't understand. Did he actually do it or not?

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bitches be crazy

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She still claims she was. He still claims he didn't do it. But they agreed to "not discuss it further". That means either he apologized and met enough of her demands to stay quiet, OR he never did it, she had no evidence, and he told her to put up or shut up because he was going to sue her for slander, libel, and defamation of character. I'd say the second scenario seems more plausible. All she needed to do was release the text messages and there would have been validity to her statements. Instead she backpedals and won't talk about it any further after ending the original post with "Has Jon raped any of you? I'd love to hear about your experiences.". Jeesh.

if he did something so horrible why is she apologizing and bowing out?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I saw this coming.

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fuck her stupid bitch

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@andcas, you may be right, but I'd be willing to bet that there was at least a party where they both attended like her story says. There had to at least be some witnesses that saw them together to even start the story. Unless she's THAT stupid, which after all of this, isn't out of the realm of possibility.

i knew all women are evil

"if he did something so horrible why is she apologizing and bowing out?"

Dick will turn a bitch crazy.

she's basically found a clever way to keep others from finding out
she's making it all up without taking any of the backlash from it.

SOME SAY SHE'S NAIVE


















SHE'S A STUPID BITCH

hahahahaha

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the tumblr replies on this post of hers are priceless.

I'm making it my personal mission to try and get this exposed in the feminist blogging and writing community. At least get people talking about it. Luckily, I have a friend who writes for "Ms." Magazine and is terribly interested in the entire turn of events. This is the culmination of teenage girls being misandrists without understanding a single thing about our society or culture and thinking that the only issues they are facing are sexual. Screaming fake rape allegations isn't going to help the feminist cause, and that's saddening. This girl has done more damage to her interests than she did bring attention to "rape culture" because she had to retract her post.

"Both of us would like people not to disparage either party and move on."

"I'm going to move on from rape!"

Only the people on Tumblr can be retarded to believe this.

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why does it have to be "white men" why can't it be men in general?

"Women piss me off so much I swear."
Stop being such a nigguh.

I agree with Dead, I'd bet my ass on the fact that there were lawyers or the threat of a lawsuit involved in this.

"I'm making it my personal mission to try and get this exposed in the feminist blogging and writing community. At least get people talking about it. Luckily, I have a friend who writes for "Ms." Magazine and is terribly interested in the entire turn of events. This is the culmination of teenage girls being misandrists without understanding a single thing about our society or culture and thinking that the only issues they are facing are sexual. Screaming fake rape allegations isn't going to help the feminist cause, and that's saddening. This girl has done more damage to her interests than she did bring attention to "rape culture" because she had to retract her post."

if she happens to make an article or post regarding these events, I really like to see her thoughts on it.

"my intention never was to damper the reputation or musical careers of the members, and I apologize to them."

Hahaha, it sure seemed like it to me . Oh, I don't want him to go to prison, just derail his popularity! Gimme a break.

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of that kit kat bar.

not gonna sugar-coat it, snorlax was right from the previous thread

half the site of "misogynistic assholes" was right about it.

@Cygnatti, absolutely. If she writes anything, or finds out any relevant information on any of this, it'll get posted here. I've seen this crap happen to multiple men in my time, and I'm sick of it. It's just brushed off like, "Oh, he didn't do it. Good.", but that shit follows you like a demon for a long, long time. An accusation like that is akin to rape on the mental level.

Yeah, but I was right first.

Because if we doubt a rape accusation for even a second, we're automatically misogynistic rape apologists and we probably like raping women too.

Am I doing it right?

I was getting chewed out on a gaza thread for sharing your
opinion before the original story was even posted my man.

Lawyers were deff involved

Aids already gave me a verbal beating in my shoutbox about my statements. Even if she were raped, it was a dumbfuck way to go about it.

dang, you got shoutboxed over it lol. I wish I was that special ^_^

LOL

fail.

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Who is she? She just some nobody bitch trying to get some attention? Fucking hate shit like this.

"dang, you got shoutboxed over it lol. I wish I was that special ^_^"
That's what we have the Tay Tay Swizzle thread for (I hope Adrian reads this).

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha now this is some funny shit, guy probably said i'll see you in court and she went SHIT! Im fucked

wow i thought andcas was gonna take the white knight route again but it looks like rape is where he draws the line

saving the world from menhaters everywhere one blink182 record at a time

Stupid bitch

lol jk we're still cool right gaza

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well hello hyper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

she ended original post with
"Has Jon raped any of you? I'd love to hear about your experiences."

maybe she was suspicious and wanted someone to come forth to prove her suspicions?

I'm lying but just in case, does anyone else wanna join with me?

"my intention never was to damper the reputation or musical careers of the members"

I'm paraphrasing, but didn't she specifically tell people to boycott the band? What a retard

half the site of "misogynistic assholes" was right about it.

To the guy complaining about this shit happening to guys all the time...statistically false rape allegations are a HUGE minority. But because it's a good story/it tends to happen to high profile people, it's become th assumption that an allegation is false instead of the other way around. This shit almost never happens, so crusading for awareness of it is bull, and skews the facts.

"thank fuck

I'd feel like such a cunt otherwise"
well..

=>"Has Jon raped any of you? I'd love to hear about your experiences."

Idk man but I can't picture someone writing something like this for real. I mean, does she get off on other people's misery? Was she trying to sound curious? Was this supposed to be an attempt at some sort of community feeling/bonding whatever? However you twist and turn this sentence it comes off as incredibly douchey to me.

whoops my bad

"thank fuck

I'd feel like such a cunt otherwise"
well..

"To the guy complaining about this shit happening to guys all the time...statistically false rape allegations are a HUGE minority. But because it's a good story/it tends to happen to high profile people, it's become th assumption that an allegation is false instead of the other way around. This shit almost never happens, so crusading for awareness of it is bull, and skews the facts."
Do you have anything to back this up? Because if you're talking global - which I assume you are given your phrasing - then I'd like to see some conclusive and detailed data regarding that.


@Fishy: Read the rest of the post, dude.

"statistically false rape allegations are a HUGE minority."

say that to the tons of innocent people in prison over it.

'Idk man but I can't picture someone writing something like this for real. I mean, does she get off on
other people's misery? Was she trying to sound curious? Was this supposed to be an attempt at some
sort of community feeling/bonding whatever? However you twist and turn this sentence it comes off as
incredibly douchey to me.'

this ya this is what puzzles me hardest like i said it feels like she was trying to reinforce her
suspicions, a victim to take down this guy she apparently has a vendetta against?? idk farfetched i
guess but i cant make anything of it

is it so hard to believe some can be that fucked up and crazy?

Oh I thought you were addressing something different my bad

I'm not sure how that's relevant to what I've said

Do you have anything to back this up? Because if you're talking global - which I assume you
are given your phrasing - then I'd like to see some conclusive and detailed data regarding that.

'is it so hard to believe some can be that fucked up and crazy?'

id like to kno the world isnt a bunch of snotnosed andcas' ok sorry

It happens pretty fucking regularly. I don't know if it happens as often as a legitimate rape, but it does happen. I'm not condoning rape, I'm not saying that there is any sort of consent besides a sober yes, there is little to no grey area about what is and is not rape. But I can tell you that many high school girls claim rape when they've been caught, felt disgusted, feel it would affect their social standing. I'm with a woman who's story about her assault is disturbingly similar to this woman's original account, the only difference being that she knew the man quite well and for a long time. Even she agrees that this was an attention-seeking stunt and that situations like this devalue actual assaults. If you don't think that people lie about being raped on a regular basis, you've buried your head in the sand. It's a complex issue, but being politically correct doesn't solve it.

"The Curious Case of The Gaza Rape"

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my nose is very clean. I have a nice box of soft kleenex.

want some foxxxy?

"I saw that graph yesterday. That appears to be the most reliable source for it"
Well, a couple of things:

1. That's not global. (obviously, there is no reliable global study - probably not even for whole industrialized countries because it's incredibly hard to research this properly)
2. Like every statistic the conclusion has to be dependant on the 'field/area/volume' of research
3. Which brings us the numbers/details which are not general enough to be conclusive for judging a country with a population of 300 million people, let alone the whole Western world or the whole world in general.

This was the exact subtext of my question, sources always have to be critically questioned and analyzed before coming to conclusions. Studies are actually more often than not inconclusive and lead to way too generalized postulations - even in respected sciences.

I looked at that infographic, and it's curious, but the statistics don't hold up. The control numbers are all estimated by researchers based on interviews. Growing up in a small community and seeing the number of times crap like this happened and was later proven to be false, I find these numbers to be wrong on personal experience alone. If that's the national average, I'm happy (at there being only 2% false accusation, not the fact that a majority go unreported).

This thread disgusts me because there's no way of actually knowing whether or not she was raped, and she may have just stopped the whole thing because she's tired of rabid fanboys. To be fair, Jon writes some very misogynistic lyrics, to consider him being a rapist as far fetched is mindblowing. A man can play good music (or scream offensive, hilarious phrases well) and still be a complete cunt. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for getting so emotional over the possibility that somebody else might not actually be acting emotional and just looking for attention.

there's a massive difference between being an apologist of
deplorable acts and having the ability to notice someone's
accusations are clearly riddled with way too many red flags.

witchrapist is not a rape apologizt

Oh yeah, and that's just disregarding the fact that even if there was sexual intercourse, the accused person has no history of doing so - there aren't any witnesses (duh) or video evidence (duh²) there is literally almost no certain way to prove either side wrong/right.

"getting so emotional"
So? That's new to me but hey THANKS for telling me how I'm feeling! It's not like this is completely hypocritical considering you're calling other people out for beind judgemental and then do the same yourself.

God, it's like, using deductive reasoning and questioning this is somehow being an apologist. How many women's shelters have you volunteered at, how many Slut Walks have you taken part in, how many PRIDE events have you given time and money to? The reason I'm upset about it, is that it cheapens legitimate claims. It HURTS the cause.

And to elaborate on the rabid fanboys: this is how the internet works, people send others EXTREMELY volatile emails, pms, comments, threats, etc. when they say the wrong things about the things they like, and when it's something this serious, I'd assume the volatility of the content increases. Assault alone is traumatizing and leaves people feeling drained and impotent; even unwilling to continue with things well within daily routine, but rape? That's a whole other level, that's assault, violation, objectification, so on and so on, and to claim that somebody ducking out of an internet flame war started because they said got raped is proof that they weren't raped is fucking retarded.

P.S. rape victims aren't rational about getting raped, because getting raped is fucking horrifying.

And my god my name seems a good bit ironic here.

1. That's not global. (obviously, there is no reliable global study - probably not even for whole industrialized countries because it's incredibly hard to research this properly)
2. Like every statistic the conclusion has to be dependant on the 'field/area/volume' of research
3. Which brings us the numbers/details which are not general enough to be conclusive for judging a country with a population of 300 million people, let alone the whole Western world or the whole world in general.
This was the exact subtext of my question, sources always have to be critically questioned and analyzed before coming to conclusions. Studies are actually more often than not inconclusive and lead to way too generalized postulations - even in respected sciences.

I looked at that infographic, and it's curious, but the statistics don't hold up. The control numbers are all estimated by researchers based on interviews. Growing up in a small community and seeing the number of times crap like this happened and was later proven to be false, I find these numbers to be wrong on personal experience alone. If that's the national average, I'm happy (at there being only 2% false accusation, not the fact that a majority go unreported).

@rapist did you even read the original tumblr posts mentions? they were 90% in support of this girl
dude relax we kno ur not a rape apologist

"And to elaborate on the rabid fanboys:"
Except that there's quite a number of people in here who doesn't care about this band or think it actually sucks. I really don't give a fuck quite frankly.
"this is how the internet works, people send others EXTREMELY volatile emails, pms, comments, threats, etc. when they say the wrong things about the things they like, and when it's something this serious, I'd assume the volatility of the content increases."
Of course, everytime shit happens to me the first thing I do is go public on the internet where everybody can read about it. Did you even read the other thread or what other people wrote?

"Assault alone is traumatizing and leaves people feeling drained and impotent; even unwilling to continue with things well within daily routine, but rape? That's a whole other level, that's assault, violation, objectification, so on and so on, and to claim that somebody ducking out of an internet flame war started because they said got raped is proof that they weren't raped is fucking retarded."
It's not what happened, it's how it happened. Did you read the post of her? Did you read her statement?

"P.S. rape victims aren't rational about getting raped, because getting raped is fucking horrifying."
Well, great because her phrasing and writing seemed more rational and calculated than anything else. Even more so was publically postulating a possible legal offense on the internet.

I wasn't even going to say it, witch ;-)

The problem is, she WANTED THIS ATTENTION, SHE ASKED FOR MESSAGES, SHE ACTUALLY TOLD PEOPLE TO QUESTION HER. She made it clear that she wanted it to be spread around, her story. She DID ask for the attention (in the sense of getting her story out there and shaming Jon into admitting it).

Could it not be that she wanted attention drawn to her as a means to expose heinous behavior that's gone unchecked?

I don't know what to believe, but I'm downright disappointed at the possibility that one of my current favorite vocalists is a rapist.

"she may have just stopped the whole thing because she's tired of rabid fanboys."

you have no proof she was harassed or if she was to what extent and I'd like to think someone who was so hellbent on seeking "justice" wouldn't give up on making sure her rapist met his punishment after a measly one day.

"Jon writes some very misogynistic lyrics, to consider him being a rapist as far fetched is mindblowing"

this is laughably ignorant coming from a guy who constantly defends deathcore so heavily on this site. so I suppose any person who writes demeaning or violent lyrics will naturally go out and enforce them because that's how it works.

"True. I'm not parading about treating it as gospel especially when it's so difficult to calculate these things, but I think the idea is interesting and I definitely think that people generally underestimate how many rapes actually go unreported.

I've read elsewhere that the general rate of false accusations is estimated to be between 2-8%. Figures seem to vary wildly between studies though."
There is probably truth to both, that there are a lot of rapes that go unreported and that there's - relatively speaking an underestimated number of accusations being thrown around.
As I have said earlier, you just need a lack of solid proof and actual sexual intercourse in this case and you have a bias but no certain way of proving either sides if there are no remarkably noticable things about either sides' background.
But I think these cases should be ascertained and handled individually and with precision.

there are some serious motherfucking paragraphs itt

mother of god

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yeah, awful. HOW DARE people write more than one snarky sentence on the internet!

fuk that

"True. I'm not parading about treating it as gospel especially when it's so difficult to calculate these things, but I think the idea is interesting and I definitely think that people generally underestimate how many rapes actually go unreported.

I've read elsewhere that the general rate of false accusations is estimated to be between 2-8%. Figures seem to vary wildly between studies though."

And that's one major point. Doing a study of this nature is almost impossible, and I realize that. I've seen places saying it's as high as 20% (which I doubt to be true). And just to be clear, I want everyone to know that I can identify as a survivor of sexual assault and abuse in general. I in no way condone any sort of abuse whether it be physical, mental, or sexual. I stand in a strange position though, being able to step back and objectively say "this story doesn't add up" is hard. My gut always wants to immediately go to "THAT SICK FUCK!!!", but reasoning has to be applied. Like I said earlier, IF she isn't being honest about this, it actually harms the movement. If she's doing it to legitimize herself as a writer that focuses on "rape culture" (and it seems to me that it very well could be the case here), it's just as deplorable as rape itself.

you have no proof she was harassed

What Dead said.

Trying to take a step back and critically analyze the information you received in such cases does not imply glorification of violence of any kind. And well, doing illegal shit of this caliber for whatever cause - if appliccable - would still be idiotic.
And if the latter or anything of the sort is the case then she's lucky the U.S. justice system allows for such solutions.
Where I come from you'd be convicted if your story was to be found false - no matter whether the accused would be alright with an apology.

yeah, awful. HOW DARE people write more than one snarky sentence on the internet!

@DeadToPain I'm struggling with accepting the possibility that he isn't a rapist for the same reasons,
it's harsh.

In other news, wtf is "rape culture"?

"because we all know utterly defeated, traumatized people are
known for their steadfast resolve"

lmao did you even read her initial tall tale basically calling for the
guys head on a silver platter along with the bands ruination. I'm
sorry you're so gullible and quick to judge someone based on
nothing but the claims of a stranger who ain't looking so credible
now that the dust is starting to settle. I find it truly hilarious that
she also demanded an apology but now she's the one giving it.

@witch, I'm not saying this to insult you, I'm not being an asshole, I just genuinely want to know your thoughts. What evidence did you see that points to him raping her? Where do you see any proof of this being anything other than an elaborate story? In all honesty, my view on it would be completely changed if she had released the text messages she supposedly had (which could be argued could easily be faked), or any sort of corroborating story from the person who came out and witnessed him at her car. Hell, even one person saying that they were seen together that evening for any significant time period. Again, this isn't an attack on you, I'm just trying to see from your perspective. And to answer your question on rape culture, do a little internet research, it'll open your eyes. It's a long and drawn out theory connected with white-male domination of females.

guy makes creepy satanic grindycores music

therefore is rapist

Rape Culture is the delusional idea that a vast majority of the male population believe in blaming the victim of rape
instead of the rapist. As well as the idea that women don't have 100% sexual control over most men.

It's an insult to men, fathers, brothers etc. It is women jumping to conclusions based on the comments from cops,
religious fanatics, right wing nuts etc. As if they speak on behalf of all men.

You're getting way too emotional and incoherent about this dude.

First off, holy shit, what she said in the beginning of the fiasco does not contradict her backing out: saying that she was fired up in the beginning does not mean that she didn't give up, sorry to break it to you.

Secondly, how does not having a concrete opinion on whether or not she's a victim or a horrible liar make me gullible?

Learn to make sense.

@Dead, again I don't think there's any evidence on either side, so I just go with that horrified feeling I get whenever any case of sexual abuse is mentioned. :/

you're not very good at putting pieces together are you? of
course not. if you were you'd easily see that things simply
don't add up here. but hey someone's gotta oppose right?

@witch, that's exactly what people that would fake this sort of story want. They want that immediate gut feeling of being ashamed of your gender because a fellow man would force himself upon a woman when you know you would never do any such thing. Playing off the inherent guilt associated with the act of rape is a pretty powerful tool if you have an agenda or want someone to be shunned and humiliated.

woah i never realized how many comments andcas has

you're not very good at putting pieces together are you? of
course not. if you were you'd easily see that things simply
don't add up here. but hey someone's gotta oppose right?

"woah i never realized how many comments andcas has"

potsy still reigns supreme.

potsy still reigns supreme

It was just like, rasputin being really rude when people posted positive reviews of deathcore bands.

Nobody on either side has proof. All of you are taking sides based on faith.

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"Nobody on either side has proof."
Correct.

"All of you are taking sides based by faith"
Wrong.

based on faith... +1

balls with 30k was a lot and that was only about a year ago

everyone, myself included, should improve upon being seen not read on this website

"is it so hard to believe some can be that fucked up and crazy?"

Nope women can be fucking psycho and they will make shit up to get attention

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"its just funny because when this site first started it was hard to imagine anyone ever hitting even 5k because we didn't have like lists and shit back then"

I guess you could call that the dark ages.

Allegations of such things always suck for everyone involved, no matter what did or did not happen. Since I do not know if rape did or did not occur, I choose to not make any judgements on either person for that. Nor should anyone else.

What I do make a judgement on, and the whole point of her 'apology', is the terrible way in which she handled it. To say that an accusation of rape is serious business would be a laughable understatement. Merely mentioning rape with someone's name can forever tarnish the way people perceive both parties. For someone to publicly cry out, in such a way as to ruin the very name of the individual and reputation of the band as a whole, is completely wrong. The amount of judgement and hate for the girl or the guy that is being thrown around in this very discussion is proof of this.

Like the statement says, negatively affecting the lives and careers of well-intentioned and un-involved parties (such as the other members of the band) was a shitty thing to do. It's something she can't undo, and something that never should have been done. No matter if the alleged things happened or not, that is personal shit and it is between the involved parties, their families, and due legal process. That's the takeaway here.

if he did it she should've never erased any trace of her original
post and created this sketchy apology that raises a lot of doubt.

I just wish she would have provided proof that she claimed she had. Instead she has now just tarnished someone's name without any regard. If it is true, I feel for her. If it's not, I feel for him. It's an all-around disgusting situation and just goes to show how incredibly complicated the mind and sexuality can be.

Her parents must be so proud

Also, I'm pretty sick of having to be ashamed of being a white male. If you raise questions of doubt because there are a lot of flags, you are automatically assumed to be some sort of misogynistic dickhole. It's immediately thrown in your face. You're shamed instead of debated (not saying this has happened here by the way). It's infuriating.

"I just wish she would have provided proof that she claimed she
had"

well she doesn't have to now because all she wants is to just
move on. I wonder if the man she accused will have such an
easy time doing the same. not that she'll give a flying fuck.

Yeah, he almost undoubtedly threatened to sue or get the authorities involved. Not hard to do when someone has zero evidence against you. If anything, it seems like he was trying to refrain from making the situation worse for her, which is a respectable thing to do after all of this bullshit.

Of course that's some speculation, but I'm always hard-pressed to align with these feminazi types, especially when they make heinous accusations with zero proof and refuse to do something as simple as go to the police.

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basically agree with everything deadtopain has said in this thread

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basically agree with everything deadtopain has said in this thread(2)

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I am speechless

I'm just trying to be a rational human being about it. I am more than interested and open to hearing her side of it and/or seeing any sort of proof, hearing from any sort of witnesses. If it's true, he should be nailed to the wall. That being said, she has lent herself no credibility, describes herself as "misandrist", "appropriates" words that other people aren't allowed to call her but she wears around flauntingly, and in general sexualizes herself on her own blog. I'm not saying that she's not allowed to do that, I'm not calling her a slut, I don't think she "deserves" it. But I don't think she shouldn't face any sort of backlash for ruining a man's reputation without giving any sort of supporting evidence besides her "word" that she has text messages that he admits to it. Thanks all for supporting my (and all others') right to question the validity of these claims.

some of you people are anal as all hell

she didnt say she was wrong or that it didnt happen lol

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the guy from anal cunt is probably in hell.

"she didnt say she was wrong or that it didnt happen lol"

Nope she didn't. She just said "shut up about it. I know I made this HUGE deal of it, but I don't want to have to account for anything. I will never speak of it again after consulting and coming to an agreement with my rapist".

Ya she's a bitch

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I don't know how "sexualizing" herself could be used as proof that she's lying...

And it's the second time someone says nobody believes her because we're all fans of the band, lol.

lol wow

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gettin hot in here

so take off all your clothes.

hot so hot yeah

I have a confession... Jon raped me

GODDAMMIT MIMSY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO CONTINUE

"I don't know how "sexualizing" herself could be used as proof that she's lying..."

It's not proof of her lying, it's telling of her character. She's an extremist, self-proclaimed at that. Generally those on the extreme ends of movements have agendas that they want to push with extreme measures, I believe this COULD be the case here. My mind on this whole thing could easily be changed, but I don't see any reason to think he's a rapist at this point in time.

Like, "girl, I think my butt gettin' big".

How is sexualizing herself extremist?

Who is Gaza?

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"How is sexualizing herself extremist?"
Have you been living behind the moon or never heard of actual feminist movements/activities/'statements'? Slut walks? People running around naked for political and social causes? Stuff like the whole Pussy Riot thing in Russia?

got to love rape threads, always perfect for some banning

reminds me of the Leviathan one...

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free pussy riot!

"Have you been living behind the moon or never heard of actual feminist movements/activities/'statements'? Slut walks? People running around naked for political and social causes? Stuff like the whole Pussy Riot thing in Russia? "


Wait... do you get to touch the pussy, or is this just show pussy?
IF THIS IS JUST SHOW PUSSY THEN THAT'S BULLSHIT MAN!

"Rape Culture is the delusional idea that a vast majority of the male population believe in blaming
the victim of rape ...."

Would like to just comment that advocating against rape culture does not specifically antagonize
men, but is historically and predominantly in favor of (straight) women. That's why rape within the
LGBT community isn't as outspoken, or women raping men. Rape culture does address these two things,
mostly to address the gender roles that come with rape culture, but only recently.

Rape culture is the norm in how we assign blame or divert attention from rape, perpetuated by media
and family environments in order to dominate and objectify the lesser party. This is commonly
applied to women in the act of sexism/misogyny.

In any case I wish I knew more about this case and specifically what she wrote about Gaza, but
unfortunately that's not going to happen and the event has become damaging to both parties.

If Gaza would accept the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ none of these things would happen.

@omni, from dusk till dawn quote?

I'm really trying to consider that there are people out there that don't understand one thing about current socio-political movements happening globally. This stuff isn't even new. 3rd wave feminism started in the '90s for Christ's sake.

lying cunt

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@spilling, I'm sure the original post is cached somewhere if you search Google Docs. And that was a very good explanation of the theory of rape culture. I couldn't figure out a way to simplify it down to less than pages worth of words. If everyone would actually try (if interested), this conversation could be quite beneficial to the understanding of the current state of feminist beliefs. I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'm just really trying to understand the motivations of her actions whether it was a lie or not. I'll gladly reiterate that I will change my opinions if presented with evidence contrary to what seems to be a case of false allegations.

"I'm really trying to consider that there are people out there that don't understand one thing about current socio-political movements happening globally. This stuff isn't even new. 3rd wave feminism started in the '90s for Christ's sake."
I'm even more surprised people aren't aware of it when it has clearly already taken influence in our society, politics and laws.

it's probably long gone by now unless someone copied it pain.

Not that it was spoken of in these terms exactly, but the last presidential cycle was heavily influenced by these ideas. It's a huge reason the Republicans lost according to exit polls and the number of first time female voters between the ages of 25 and 30.

teehee

@andcas, I would imagine someone copied that. Hell, I'd put money on it that someone in the band did. I'll do a search myself here in a few minutes when I finish up the project I'm working on.

Dumb bitch. Typical LOL

hey guys, new to this thread. could someone fill me in on the discussion?

can't wait to talk about music!

"@omni, from dusk till dawn quote?"
Modified Mitch Fatel quote.

mitch fatel is hilarious.

mitch fatel touched my balls as i slept. nobody should enjoy his comedy


edit: nvm

@londoncalling, Long story short, Men rape women, constantly. The best way to get justice is to blog about it on Tumblr then delete the post 24 hours later and say that you don't want to talk about it anymore. You don't have to have evidence that it happened because penises. If you don't agree you are a misogynist rape-apologist. The guy in this case sings for some grindy-metalcore-hybrid band. They're pretty alright for a grindy-metalcore-hybrid.

I don't know if it was supposed to but that made me chuckle quite a bit.

haha i'm sorry man that was a joke, i was trying to act like a naive user coming into a thread where everyone has been arguing. i didn't think anyone would take the time to write out an explanation but props 5/5 user

pretty thorough summary.

can't wait to talk about music!

No problem guys. I was being my usual sarcastic self. That was actually a really asshole-tinted version of events. But, who gives a fuck? It's the internet!

you forgot to change your mind.

I was waiting a day or two.

So what I got from this is that
1. Bitches Be Crazy as a motherfucker
2. He probably didn't do it

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Fucking stupid cunt.

^^
3. Or he did but she's caving because rape culture...

@Dead Alright, thanks, I'll look that up now.

Definitely. I mean hey, haven't all had best friends who have been raped and totally blamed it on them and not their violent douchebag friends we wanted to totally kick in the nuts?

Just another example of some fucking stupid girl producing onesided pseudo-feminist rants on Tumblr in
order to get notoriety. There was a woman on that site in early December who faked getting beat up by
a man to get notoriety.

She's basically this girl, but in Rape form.

http://thenewavengers.tumblr.com/post/34826168948

@Wolfe. That sounds pretty personal, and seemed to touch a nerve. I suggest finding said violent douchebag and kicking him in the sack. I would approve. It'd be a great way to release hostility on someone who probably deserves a swift kick in the gonads.

http://thenewavengers.tumblr.com/post/34826168948

Yep. No one ever lies about stuff like this. What do they have to gain?!?

watch out eye. you're gonna blow the minds of everyone in this
thread who would never dare think someone is cable of making
up huge stories. it's just too unfathomable in this perfect world.

I've been on Tumblr for a while and I can see through the bullshit. Those types of girls are a dime a dozen and Tumblr helps encourage these behaviors in the same way stormfront gives white supremacists a place to make themselves feel correct all the time.

It's sad, really.

Doubt he did it.

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Now that she's put out this "apology" or whatever you want to call it, all of the sudden the Morality Knights aren't talking anymore. I am all for feeling a deep sense of disgust when an accusation like this comes forth, but instead of gut-reaction, take into account what is actually being said.

Dumb bitch.

she settled on just getting some d from the band, I think that was the plan all along

my assumptions have been right so far. why stop.

you're right. sign me up.

That fuuuuuucking bitch.

I can sense your hate and it feels good.

nah. I like winding you up and watching you go.

and thanks that means a lot stranger.

Drunken hook up she didn't want to admit to the next morning

Yes, yes, let the hate flow through you. Embrace the power of the Dark Side.

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Too many back and forth comments here.
I'll make this simple for you all.

It came from tumblr.
Jon encouraged her to go to the police with any evidence if she believed she was raped by him.
Apology released from lady.

i'm not reading all this can i get a michael bay scene in here to sum this up

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nah. I like winding you up and watching you go.

and thanks that means a lot stranger.

language!

rape is bad

yeah it'd be much better if a camera spun around this thread really fast w/ explosions. and aerosmith. "don't wanna close my eeeeyes, don't wanna faaaall asleep cause you might rape me, baby..."

i know rape's not a joke, but this whole thing is just flummoxing

lol @ this situation

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If she withdraws her statements, she'll be labeled a liar by the feminists and the rest of the internet. if she sticks to it, she'll be considered a liar anyway.

Way to ruin someone's career, lady.

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wait but she doesn't even say "I was lying" or "he didn't do it" what is with this broad?

she crazy

bitchass

Called it from the beginning.

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so quick to pull the rape card fuckin bitch

What a horrible bitch.

whore to a chainsaw

In the words of Devourment, She should have said yes.

*sigh* What a stupid move to start all of this in the first place.

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basically agree with everything deadtopain has said in this thread [440123]

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will there be a movie?

or a best-selling tell-all book?

would read

Looks like the guys paid her cash to let it go. If she hadn't been raped, she would have written something different instead, like admitting she wasn't raped.

^ Have you even read her former statement? Your hypothesis is completely made out of thin air and displays a lack of background knowledge.

You are correct, sorry

all of this really makes me want to listen to gaza. I think that was the ploy all along

the gaza frontman raped me too

lol

Update. I haven't seen them yet, nor do I know if K will let me post them, but apparently there were e-mails exchanged between K and this woman and it was quote, "suspicious, full of quit asking me about this, how'd you get my e-mail, and parts of the story changed frequently". K went so far as to call bullshit, she's a very committed feminist. I will post them if she gives me the go ahead, but I think she's planning a write up for both her magazine and a paper in D.C.. I'll keep everyone updated.

never heard of this magazine.

heheheh ffs

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K. is her first initial. She writes for quite a few places, she does freelance. She writes for "Ms." on a pretty regular basis.

Also, @andcas, I don't know if you think I'm so interested in this because I'm a rape-apologist or misogynist or just an asshole, I assure you that's not the case. It's an issue that I've been studying and debating frequently recently and it brings up a lot of the same points. I don't believe either side right now, there's no evidence either way. That being said, the burden of proof is always on the accuser, and she hasn't shown ANYTHING. My views on it are complex and well-thought out and I'd be more than happy to chat with you about it if you'd like. I'm more than willing to change my viewpoints, admit I'm wrong, adapt my perceptions in any given debate. Doing otherwise is worthless and never advances any thoughts, feelings, motivations, or change.

boom

let me know when your friend finishes her report. interested to read it.