Tom Gabel's gender dysphoria
2012-05-09 by Coma1996 | 460 Comments
Punk singer/Songwriter and Against Me! frontman Tom Gabel will undergo sexual re-assignment surgery to become Laura Jane Grace. In an upcoming article by Rolling Stone magazine Gabel has detailed his battles with gender dysphoria and the steps he will take as he begins his transition.

A preview of the article can be viewed at:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-gabel-of-against-me-comes-out-as-transgender-20120508
Tagged: Tom Gabel

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KotoFtw
May 9th 2012
1077 Comments


In other news a sputnik list will undergo transplacement into a news article.

ThespianLesbian
May 9th 2012
248 Comments


Horribly titled
M-to-F come on

MO
May 9th 2012
19077 Comments


cool


Athom
Staff Reviewer
May 9th 2012
17231 Comments


I for one support him in his choice. That has to be such a hard thing to do, especially for such a public person. I really hope that the bullshit in that list that was started about this stays there. The people posting on it are fucking embarrassments to the site.

Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


inb4 a bunch of dumb comments from children

props to tom

MisterTornado
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
4507 Comments


yep

coneren
May 9th 2012
11111 Comments


satellite

heyadam
May 9th 2012
1722 Comments


"I for one support him in his choice. That has to be such a hard thing to do, especially for such a public person. I really hope that the bullshit in that list that was started about this stays there. The people posting on it are fucking embarrassments to the site."

Yeah but people are trashed on here every day/night by being themselves. It's not so different really. This guy definitely has the balls, pun sort of intended, to do this though. It really does have to be a tough thing for someone to go through, especially someone in such an established band.

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Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


"Yeah but people are trashed on here every day/night by being themselves."

yeah because this is a valid comparison at all

heyadam
May 9th 2012
1722 Comments


Yeah because it totally is.

Athom
Staff Reviewer
May 9th 2012
17231 Comments


I like how from the music community, be it some notable bands or just DIY locals, there's been a positive response to the news and they're backing Laura 100%

coneren
May 9th 2012
11111 Comments


satellite is a jerk

Athom
Staff Reviewer
May 9th 2012
17231 Comments


that is not a valid comparison. getting in spatting matches on the internet is totally different than the fear and potential animosity that can accompany this.

MO
May 9th 2012
19077 Comments


so what happens with the band? does he continue singing in a male voice or switch over to a female voice?

pedro70512
May 9th 2012
3653 Comments


most punk thing ever. cultural norms be damned, this guy (girl) is a boss.

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Athom
Staff Reviewer
May 9th 2012
17231 Comments


my guess is whatever happens happens with it. obviously the vox is gonna change

Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


so what happens with the band? does he continue singing in a male voice or switch over to a female voice?

my understanding (which is admittedly limited) is that the vocal chords are largely unchanged by the transition itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_therapy_%28transgender%29

Anthracks
May 9th 2012
3796 Comments


i am so happy for him

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Athom
Staff Reviewer
May 9th 2012
17231 Comments


They do change. It's not like instantly dainty but there is some change.

heyadam
May 9th 2012
1722 Comments


Okay, lets just throw cyber bullying out the window, that can never be a legitimate source for emotional damage. I stand by what I say. It's not so different because people can be really ruthless with their words. It doesn't matter to whom, where or how the conversation is taking place, or the subject that is being spoken of, people can get just as emotionally hurt from discussing certain things. I should take back my statement about it being "on here," but regardless, internet bullying is probably just as an emotional thing, and a lot of people aren't caring enough about that either. Not trying to demean this at all, this guy has a lot of guts and convictions to do what he's doing, a lot more than most of us dream to have at that.

Athom
Staff Reviewer
May 9th 2012
17231 Comments


I think you mean well, but you're belittling the social stigma around transgender individuals with your comparison. Yes, cyberbullying can be bad, but douchebags on the internet are faceless where he has to now deal with a level of intolerance and discomfort from people who he can see and interact with in real life with real life consequences that go far beyond name calling, including friends and family.

jackalope11
May 9th 2012
330 Comments


Respect for making the most out of life.

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


" for one support him in his choice. That has to be such a hard thing to do, especially for such a public person. I really hope that the bullshit in that list that was started about this stays there. The people posting on it are fucking embarrassments to the site."

there are a lot of asshole trolls in that thread. i can't pretend to know how he feels, but i hope that his decision brings him peace of mind. had he ever talked about this before he announced he would be undergoing gender reassignment surgery, or is this all out of the blue?

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Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


yeah for sure, but from what i gather that's more due to speech therapy and/or speech-specific surgery than actual hormonal change.

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


he said he's not attracted to men and that he and his wife will be staying together. i imagine it will
be hard on them, but the kid is pretty young.

Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


if he loves his wife (who is super supportive of his decision btw) and kid what difference does it make?

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


"if he loves his wife (who is super supportive of his decision btw) and kid what difference does it make?"

it obviously makes some difference. not necessarily negatively, but its a pretty big change for everybody close to him.

Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


erm lesbian couples are pretty capable of having sex

Kris.
May 9th 2012
12511 Comments


welp, its time for a lil sex ed with andcas

heyadam
May 9th 2012
1722 Comments


"but you're belittling the social stigma around transgender individuals with your comparison"

Sorry, it wasn't my intention at all to belittle anything. I just think it's ridiculous that some people will go on to say "yeah, it's wrong to treat him differently because he wants to change his gender." yet they go on to bash people that same day because of political, religious, or social beliefs that can cause a lot of emotional damage as well. I think that that was were most of my frustrations came from. I didn't mean to offend anyone or belittle anything, it was just a poorly worded observation I guess

gabethepiratesquid
May 9th 2012
4521 Comments


Yeah I mean you can't pretend that if his wife is straight then it won't be hard for her to transition to having sex with her. Even if she's in love, I mean it's just going to change a lot.

but good for her for being so supportive, of course. And good for Tom, it takes a lot of courage to do something like that.

gabethepiratesquid
May 9th 2012
4521 Comments


also if you go on Punknews the first comment is "MORE LIKE TOM GAY-BEL"

goddammit.

Nomos
May 9th 2012
865 Comments


The children brown-nosing him before anyone's even said anything nasty is pretty funny. Grow up - people have opinions that differ. We can say anything we want about him.

Yes, him, not her. That's not how it works.

Kris.
May 9th 2012
12511 Comments


OH LOOK AN EDGY PERSON

bungy
May 9th 2012
8843 Comments


Holy fuck all of you go listen to Bamboo Bones


Maybe I'm just high but that chorus makes me want to cry now. Go Laura!

bungy
May 9th 2012
8843 Comments


WHAT GOD DOESN'T GIVE TO YOU YOU HAVE TO GO AND GET FOR YOURSELF

henryChinaski
May 9th 2012
2847 Comments


Good for her

Ovrot
May 9th 2012
10554 Comments


m/

dimsim3478
May 9th 2012
5410 Comments


I get that this is totally cool and should be treated without prejudice but GOD DAMN IS THIS THE MOST SURPRISING THING I'VE EVER HEARD.

Also wondering how Against Me! will be after this.

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mangasm
May 9th 2012
672 Comments


LOL

Transient
May 9th 2012
1461 Comments


Congratulations to Laura, can't be an easy decision to make for someone in the public eye.

Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


Tom Gabel to Transition M-to-F


so from a motherfucker to my fucking mother

Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


also still going to call him tom

BonRurgundy
May 9th 2012
352 Comments


This is unexpected. But I guess Against Me! were dead anyway. Things can only get better.

Mickeymau5
May 9th 2012
1614 Comments


Against Men!

BonRurgundy
May 9th 2012
352 Comments


Reinventing Axl Rose is by far their best.


PuddlesPuddles
May 9th 2012
4787 Comments


Why not just put Tom Gabel To Undergo Sex Change?

Or a less confusing title, "Tom Gabel to Remove his Baubles"

But yeah, do you, Tom


fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


Good luck to her

can't find that list, guess it got deleted?

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Imperial
May 9th 2012
1739 Comments


Horribly titled
M-to-F come on


It's brilliantly titled, shut up.



punkomania19
May 9th 2012
76 Comments


Woah ok wasn't expecting this but good for him

Dolving999
May 9th 2012
1652 Comments


Ups, didn't see this article in the front page, just submitted the same story to the news feed lol Ignore it mods!

On topic, do you guys think it will affect live gigs such as Ressurection 2012?

Electric City
Staff Reviewer
May 9th 2012
15743 Comments


good for her, major respect

Marise
May 9th 2012
42 Comments


Yea that thread was pretty hilarious, I'm sure she's just doing this for attention right. Negating the fact that a decision like this radically changes everything in your life, here's the lyrics from "The Ocean"

And if I could have chosen, I would have been born a woman
My mother once told me she would have named me Laura


Electric City
Staff Reviewer
May 9th 2012
15743 Comments


Yes, him, not her. That's not how it works.


yes it is

DeathsThread
May 9th 2012
214 Comments


Why do my news articles always get deleted?

Steoandnoodles
May 9th 2012
2832 Comments


That's pretty quirky news. =P
I think this is the first time I've ever heard anything like this happen with someone so public. I think it's cool. =)

WhiteNoise
May 9th 2012
3253 Comments


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c

DoubtGin
May 9th 2012
6754 Comments


whoa, this came out of nowhere



Zion
May 9th 2012
812 Comments


As others have said suddenly some of his lyrics make a lot more sense. I'm curious to see what impact this might have on the band. I'm one of like 6 people who has loved every album they've put out equally.

defjaw83
May 9th 2012
1776 Comments


Got to applaud him for having the courage to do this. I can't even imagine how hard it must be to live with something like that. Really brave thing to do

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


so does that list still exist or what

ChuckyTruant
May 9th 2012
15725 Comments


wow cool, would be quite weird for his wife and kid though

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


Yes, him, not her. That's not how it works.


Shut up, you're wrong

linchpin313
May 9th 2012
813 Comments


Still a man to me.

BonRurgundy
May 9th 2012
352 Comments


Not criticising, but surely these hormone injections will alter his personality somewhat, I just hope the media attention doesn't make him reclusive. As much as I was disappointed by AM's last album, they're still an awesome live band and a cornerstone of modern punk.

robin
Emeritus
May 9th 2012
4261 Comments


Yes, him, not her. That's not how it works.


yes it is

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


Still a man to me.


She's officially come out, so she is to be referred to using the female pronoun only, that is how it works, there is no debate to be had here

tom79
May 9th 2012
3384 Comments


Well, this news caught me off-guard...was pretty stunned by it. But good for Tom though, can't imagine this was an easy thing to do.

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Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


The only other moderately major rock figure I can think of who went trans is Keith Caputo from Life Of Agony

Tom Gabel is a highly respected man and is relatively "normal" considering the only other trans people the public are regularly exposed to are people like Jeffree Starr, who I can safely say is far from the "norm". Someone so normal in a band that gets their fair share of play on the radio and TV coming out as trans could do a fair amount of good for the community. This is actually great news

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


And I just realised I accidentally contradicted myself with the pronoun usage, my bad

Thane
May 9th 2012
2180 Comments


much respect.

defjaw83
May 9th 2012
1776 Comments


@Titan

It's cool to say that though, I mean you're hardly going to call him a well respected woman are you?

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


Person?

fuckthatnoise
May 9th 2012
1479 Comments


lol i expected them to get even gayer after White Crosses but gotdamn

drasticaction74
May 9th 2012
1767 Comments


mother to fucker

johnnyblaze
May 9th 2012
2637 Comments


good for her. takes balls to do something like this (no pun intended).

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


"Tom Gabel is a highly respected man and is relatively "normal" considering the only other trans people the public are regularly exposed to are people like Jeffree Starr, who I can safely say is far from the "norm"

i don't think jeffree star is transgender, i'm pretty sure he still identifies as a male.

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


@titan, jeffree star still has and plans to keep his male genitalia.


Still pretty much the closest to trans the public gets

lol i expected them to get even gayer after White Crosses but gotdamn


lmao shut up

Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


She's officially come out, so she is to be referred to using the female pronoun only, that is how it works, there is no debate to be had here


he

he
he
he
he
he
he
















he is still a man

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


refer by gender, not by sex

Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


reverse cowgirl

SamaelTheDestroyer
May 9th 2012
20 Comments


The original article that I read said Tom would be keeping his genitals, so making love to his wife shouldn't really be much of a problem. As far as it might be hard for her to get use to...she's coming out as staying supportive and wanting to stay married to him, so it must not be something that bothers her too much. Also I realize I am calling him a he still...but lets face it, he will always be Tom Gable even if he has tits and calls himself Laura. He got famous as Tom Gable, and will always be remembered as such.

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HenchmanOfSanta
May 9th 2012
1924 Comments


It will be weird but I'm sure his wife has been aware of his gender dysphoria and saw this coming to some extent.

Sirob
May 9th 2012
2653 Comments


He should definitely get some tits. Big ones that he can play around with. I support his decision

Damus
May 9th 2012
477 Comments


I refuse to call people like him "her". It's a joke. Yeah I understand that he wants a woman's body to feel content but he's still just gonna be a guy with a mutilated penis.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


I refuse to call people like him "her". It's a joke. Yeah I understand that he wants a woman's body to feel content but he's still just gonna be a guy with a mutilated penis.

ugh

Damus
May 9th 2012
477 Comments


ugh

ThespianLesbian
May 9th 2012
248 Comments


yeah

AdamK
May 9th 2012
987 Comments


nobody else finds this weird?

ThespianLesbian
May 9th 2012
248 Comments


ask God to help you and to give you Peace
Matt 11:28

Man do I hate yahoo comments

Blackbelt54
May 9th 2012
4276 Comments


Still cant believe this. I'm glad for Gabel, but it's just so surprising. They're coming to play near me in June, I kinda wanna see them to see how the band will sound now

Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


still a guy

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


so?

Enotron
May 9th 2012
7695 Comments


@emim: it doesn't matter how he was born, his preference should be respected. i'm not sure if it's still a developing theory or considered fact, but modern medical research has indicated that transgender people's brain structures often resemble that of their desired sex.

Enotron
May 9th 2012
7695 Comments


so while you can argue that physically he was born a male, in can also be argued that the most important part of his identity is
actually female.

edit: that meaning his brain chemistry

Enotron
May 9th 2012
7695 Comments


i suppose all of the male pronouns in there should be switched to female, but it'll take some getting used to

robin
Emeritus
May 9th 2012
4261 Comments


i didn't see any of the comments on the list adam's referring to but judging by this site's general history in reacting to anything and the likelihood i will get extremely riled by their responses i might just live under a rock for a few weeks

Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


well it does matter how he was born


i would like to be referred to as a tree spirit from hence forth.

ThespianLesbian
May 9th 2012
248 Comments


There was a different thread, a Hep Kat list I believe where some shit went down


Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


i don't really care if you're going to call him a woman from now on, but i'm still going to refer to him as a him

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


There was a different thread, a Hep Kat list I believe where some shit went down

yeah it got deleted

i don't really care if you're going to call him a woman from now on, but i'm still going to refer to him as a him

Even after the change?

Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


yeah wanna fight about it?

robin
Emeritus
May 9th 2012
4261 Comments


people who make comments like "i'm still going to refer to him as him, that's just my opinion", it really comes down to more than that- you can't take back something as hurtful as that and might not realise the impact of saying it yourself, but it's my experience that you can do a lot of damage in this exact situation by just not accepting someone has changed.

i mean not that she will give a shit what you think because you are emim on sputnikmusic and so will never come into contact, but still. general nice-guy code

gabethepiratesquid
May 9th 2012
4521 Comments


"ugh"
While from a technical standpoint, yeah Tom/Laura will still be a man because he'll still have a penis (just one turned inside out) and hormone injections and breasts won't help that, BUT this also isn't really the place to say your opinion on whether or not you think he'll be a girl or a boy or have a stupid debate. The point is he's doing what makes him happiest and his family and plenty of people support him and that's what counts.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


yeah wanna fight about it?

I only communicate by hugs

wanna hug about it?

paxman
May 9th 2012
4084 Comments


Gabe: I concur.

Also: Tom Gabel sex change? Did that not cross your mind to use as the title, you pea brain?

Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


i mean not that she will give a shit what you think because you are emim on sputnikmusic and so will never come into contact, but still. general nice-guy code


precisely

just as i am not going to give a shit

RosaParks
May 9th 2012
15047 Comments


going to skip over the transphobic nonsense that most likely fills this thread and leave a positive
comment for her. Fuck your "biologic gender norms"
have a nice day everyone

Good luck Laura.

RosaParks
May 9th 2012
15047 Comments


"the voice of the gay community" wow haha so original makes so much sense wow good job andcas you grade a douche bag

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


this thread's actually been pretty positive but thank you for leaving your mark of protection here

Tyrael
May 9th 2012
20971 Comments


props to tom [2]

bloc
May 9th 2012
35024 Comments


Don't Lose Touch is a good song

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


the only song I actually know by them is I Was A Teenage Anarchist and it's pretty catchy

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


rosa thinks that he is the ambassador for the entire LGBT community.

Hep Kat
May 9th 2012
15399 Comments


normally i get pissed as FUCK when my drunkenly/high on substances-created lists get deleted, but in this case, i'm glad i passed out before i saw any shit go down

some of you people really suck

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RosaParks
May 9th 2012
15047 Comments


"rosa thinks that he is the ambassador for the entire LGBT community."
actually i never said that. you're just on a computer bending my words because you're a fucking loser

robin
Emeritus
May 9th 2012
4261 Comments



precisely

just as i am not going to give a shit


well okay but your comments have at the very least hurt me so sad face =(

fuckthatnoise
May 9th 2012
1479 Comments


the voice of the gay community has spoken. we can all go home.


my deepest condolences to the LGBT community. sorry you have to put up with him.

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


nice avatar hep kat.

jdennis31
May 9th 2012
6511 Comments


transgender people still weird me the fuck out. i don't understand LGBT. are they just grouped together because they are looking for the same equal rights or do they really consider it all one community

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


oh god here comes rosa...

jdennis31
May 9th 2012
6511 Comments


oh well in that case my bad. shoulda just read through the thread first

RosaParks
May 9th 2012
15047 Comments


people misunderstood that argument from that one thread. I was never trying to imply all lgbt are fragile glass hearted people. I was just trying to stick up for the ones that are, because you never really know when you're going to trigger someone emotionally, so it's best to just be nice and use nice words

YankeeDudel
May 9th 2012
9313 Comments


Doesnt affect my life but its still weird. Imagine just wanting to be a chick. Seriously what the fuck. Good for him/her though and all that stuff.

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auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


"Imagine just wanting to be a chick. Seriously what the fuck."

it's not like he just woke up one day and decided to become a chick. i'm sure this has been weighing on him for years.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


look

going to skip over the transphobic nonsense that most likely fills this thread and leave a positive
comment for her. Fuck your "biologic gender norms"
have a nice day everyone


It's precisely these kinda presumptuous statements that actually irritate people into discrimination. No one was truly saying anything negative or hateful but you assume everyone has and stir up an issue out of it. It's exactly that that pisses people off and probably worsens the situations

RosaParks
May 9th 2012
15047 Comments


"you assume everyone has and stir up an issue out of it."
well it IS sputnik. the decency line is very unclear with you people

fuckthatnoise
May 9th 2012
1479 Comments


poopdick

jdennis31
May 9th 2012
6511 Comments


can't just assume that, community has gotten much nicer last few months imo

YankeeDudel
May 9th 2012
9313 Comments


"it's not like he just woke up one day and decided to become a chick. i'm sure this has been weighing on him for years."

I know that. But it fascinates me how people really go through with these procedures. I mean I understand gays/lesbians and what not but to actually believe you're the opposite sex? Crazy man.

So hes not gay, going to keep his member, and stay with his wife? So hes still gonna have sex with her as a female with a penis? Thats gotta be weird for his wife man lol. Wow.

Tyrael
May 9th 2012
20971 Comments


my deepest condolences to the LGBT community. sorry you have to put up with him.

thanks bro

fuckthatnoise
May 9th 2012
1479 Comments


i was talking about rosa, bro.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


"you assume everyone has and stir up an issue out of it."
well it IS sputnik. the decency line is very unclear with you people

you literally didn't bother reading it at all


RosaParks
May 9th 2012
15047 Comments


because it's sputnik

Tyrael
May 9th 2012
20971 Comments


'i was talking about rosa, bro.'

Well, I am part of the LGBT community so :]

paxman
May 9th 2012
4084 Comments


Let's not turn this into a Rosa-bashing thread for Tom's...err....Laura's sake.

Vesper
May 9th 2012
3085 Comments


just as i am not going to give a shit

Yeah, you don't give a shit so much that you post on the article about not giving a shit. Really.

It really doesn't require much of you to call someone by their preferred gender pronoun, so to say something as childishly bullheaded as "I'm going to call him what I want!" just seems like a calculated attempt to be confrontational about it, that is, giving a shit.


Anyway, good on Laura and best of luck to her and her family.

fuckthatnoise
May 9th 2012
1479 Comments


'i was talking about rosa, bro.'

Well, I am part of the LGBT community so :]


oh fuck my bad

goddamn i cannot tell you and andcas apart w those avatars

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


because it's sputnik

never really seen it myself

YankeeDudel
May 9th 2012
9313 Comments


Yea my bad andcas said Jeffrey Star kept his member. I thought he meant this guy.

Hep Kat
May 9th 2012
15399 Comments


anyways, now i know how my mom felt when elton john came out. from a lyrical analysis standpoint

Enotron
May 9th 2012
7695 Comments


emim i would say your disregard for people's preferences when it comes to how they want to be addressed will keep you from making the type of friends that are worth keeping, but i suppose the people you attract share your incredibly narrow, pathetic view of what makes a person's identity.

However I'm sure if you actually came across a transgender person in your life, you would not actually defy them in their request to be addressed as a female(not because you're a sensitive individual but because your attitude on the internet, the obvious demeanor you consciously perpetuate, is most likely a product of your being a bitch in real life). perhaps i'm wrong, but i'm sure many others get that same vibe from you.

Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


well okay but your comments have at the very least hurt me so sad face =(


my apologies, good sir.

emim i would say your disregard for people's preferences when it comes to how they want to be addressed will keep you from making the type of friends that are worth keeping, but i suppose the people you attract share your incredibly narrow, pathetic view of what makes a person's identity.

However I'm sure if you actually came across a transgender person in your life, you would not actually defy them in their request to be addressed as a female(not because you're a sensitive individual but because your attitude on the internet, the obvious demeanor you consciously perpetuate, is most likely a product of your being a bitch in real life). perhaps i'm wrong, but i'm sure many others get that same vibe from you.


full of lols.

Yeah, you don't give a shit so much that you post on the article about not giving a shit. Really.


because it takes so much effort to hit submit.

Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


come at me bro


keep thinking i'm totally serious

Coma1996
May 9th 2012
26 Comments


As someone who listens to Against Me! and Tom Gabel albums everyday I was taken back. But as I read the article I started to smile. This is everything I have loved about the band, the songs, the lyrics, personified. Here is someone who is strong enough to stand in front of the world and follow through with their beliefs. Remember this is a music site, so with that in mind I am proud to be a fan and admirer of Tom's work and look forward to seeing how much of Laura was in the music I love and how much she will influence future projects.

As for the LGBT arguments developing I just want to say this - till you have walked in the shoes of those who can't spend a waking moment questioning their existence in some way, you can't understand the pain and torture you go through. The LGBT community asks for nothing but respect, the same respect other people believe is a god given right. People don't walk up to you in the street to threaten and disrespect you so why should you have the audacity to do it to another. Treat people like you wish to be treated.

Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


emim you fag stop ruining this thread

Athom
Staff Reviewer
May 9th 2012
17231 Comments


Sean Bonnette put it best:
And people are impatient, they dont know how to wait.
And people are selfish, people are prone to hate.
But God I love some people sometimes, because people are the greatest thing to happen.
And People are people, regardless of skin.
And people are people, regardless of creed.
People are people regardless of gender, people are people regardless of anything.
And people are my religion, because I believe in them.
People are my enemies and people are my friends.
I have faith in my fellow man, and I only hope that he has faith in me.



Emim
May 9th 2012
26675 Comments


in all seriousness, good on him for doing what makes him happy. i do sincerely hope this makes him comfortable.

still using masculine pronouns though

Coma1996
May 9th 2012
26 Comments


Why? Why must you stick so strong to something that isn't correct or to the wishes of those you are referring too?


jdennis31
May 9th 2012
6511 Comments


who's sean bonnette

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


singer for andrew jackson jihad.

jdennis31
May 9th 2012
6511 Comments


some awesome words/lyrics/musings.

robin
Emeritus
May 9th 2012
4261 Comments


sean bonnette is the person i wish you all were

jdennis31
May 9th 2012
6511 Comments


well that's just mean

fuckthatnoise
May 9th 2012
1479 Comments


first time i heard andrew jackson jihad i fucking loved them and thought they were gonna be one of my favorite bands

they i realized that their music was too novelty and i never felt like listening to them.

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


I refuse to call people like him "her". It's a joke. Yeah I understand that he wants a woman's body to feel content but he's still just gonna be a guy with a mutilated penis.


How does it feel being a fucking arsehole

Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


just bought tickets to see am! in grand rapids last month. should be interesting.

they i realized that their music was too novelty and i never felt like listening to them.

dumb

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


Heads up, don't look at the thread on /mu/, I'm reading it right now and I want to take a knife to my eye sockets

Ire
May 9th 2012
41828 Comments


^

It's lame how much bullshit this story is getting.

paxman
May 9th 2012
4084 Comments


God, emim's a fucking idiot.

Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


i scoped out the /mu/ thread last night because i was feeling masochistic or something, but it was surprisingly civil/supportive. it's probably the dumb children who just got out of school doing the posting now.

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


Someone is literally comparing being trans to having schizophrenia, that's how bad it is

jdennis31
May 9th 2012
6511 Comments


wait jw, who are ya'll claiming not to be civil? people who just don't support a transexual lifestyle or the people who refuse to acknowledge a transexual lifestyle?

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


How about if you're not accepting of this you're a dick, end of

Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


both viewpoints are pretty dumb and borne of ignorance. most people who've actually met a trans person understand it's not difficult to treat them with a modicum of basic human decency and respect their wishes.

WeepingBanana
May 9th 2012
10217 Comments


still using masculine pronouns though


why are you being such a cunt and why do people on this site like you?

and yeah sean bonnette is basically a perfectly imperfect human

Coma1996
May 9th 2012
26 Comments


Couldn't agree more Satellite. Some of my best friends are trans. I have known most of them before, during and after transition, and have never found it an issue to respect their wishes.

fuckthatnoise
May 9th 2012
1479 Comments


How about if you're not accepting of this you're a dick, end of


i'm accepting of it.

he's an insecure pussy for doing this, but i'm accepting.

jdennis31
May 9th 2012
6511 Comments


you can still treat them with basic human decency and respect their wishes i.e. call them he/she whatever they want to be called and still think it's weird as shit that he used to be a she vice versa. are you saying basically everyone who isn't ready to accept transexuality as a completely normal thing is an ass?

Spluger
May 9th 2012
1188 Comments


I saw something about this on twitter, and because it was from "@JadedPunkHulk" I figured it was a joke.

Either way, do what ever makes you happy eh?

Vesper
May 9th 2012
3085 Comments


because it takes so much effort to hit submit.


Apparently, for you, just as much effort as it takes to be an asshole.

fuckthatnoise
May 9th 2012
1479 Comments


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57431122-503544/obama-backs-same-sex-marriage/

whatta promising day 4 da lgbtwgkta community

WeepingBanana
May 9th 2012
10217 Comments


he's still just gonna be a guy with a mutilated penis.


the tissues that make a penis and the tissues that make a vagina are literally the same exact thing. you're wrong.

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


he's an insecure pussy for doing this, but i'm accepting.


lmao what

are you saying basically everyone who isn't ready to accept transexuality as a completely normal thing is an ass?


It should be seen as a normal thing. It shouldn't be a big deal, unfortunately it is because people are bigoted pricks

jdennis31
May 9th 2012
6511 Comments


it shouldn't be a big deal or even something that should be subject to other people's judgement, but don't see how it's just a normal thing in any sense of the word. you attack bigots but use the same tactics i.e. blanket statements that the normal bigot uses

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


lmao y u h8in

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments



Heads up, don't look at the thread on /mu/

can't find it

Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


"normal" is just a word. i'd argue that a life of living with gender dysphoria is anything but a normal experience.

jdennis31
May 9th 2012
6511 Comments


sorry dag love you bruh

jdennis31
May 9th 2012
6511 Comments


werd. not trying to start any animosity titan and satellite. got called a gay basher earlier for saying that i still find sex change weird as shit so was just wondering where the line dividing a bigot/someone still uncomfortable with the issue was for ya'll sputnikers

Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


nah, you've been extremely civil jdennis. nothing wrong with anything you've said imo.

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


can't find it


http://boards.4chan.org/mu/res/24786071

"normal" is just a word. i'd argue that a life of living with gender dysphoria is anything but a normal experience.


aye, but these issues shouldn't be treated with ANY form of hostility. Dude wants to be a chick, who are we to give a crap

jdennis31
May 9th 2012
6511 Comments


werd, sputnik helped me get over my homophobia when i first got on the site. writing your beliefs out usually helps you figure out why you believe/feel the way you do

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


nvm found it

seems ok so far

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


oh and now it's all gone to shit

ThespianLesbian
May 9th 2012
248 Comments


Right on

Titan50
May 9th 2012
4588 Comments


told you

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


Rosa would have a field day here

Twelve51
May 9th 2012
108 Comments


also if you go on Punknews the first comment is "MORE LIKE TOM GAY-BEL"

That's so horrible and stupid, but I laughed.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 9th 2012
22047 Comments


people saying being transgendered is a selfish thing to do

yep I'm out of there

stepsascending
May 9th 2012
50 Comments


It's odd because I always thought his voice was distinctly masculine. I would kill for the gravelly sound his voice has. It'll be interesting to see how he approaches music after the surgery. I can't imagine the vocals will be even remotely similar. I'm all for people doing what they want and what makes them happy, but I can't help but have the reaction that it is very weird. Gender dysphoria never struck me as a genuine disorder. I viewed it the same way I view ADD. But who is to really say!? It could be that he is wired differently on a biological level. I certainly don't discredit it. I'm just skeptical of it. Regardless, good for him for at least being brave enough to admit it.

Athom
Staff Reviewer
May 9th 2012
17231 Comments


did anyone actually read the article? he's doing hormone therapy and electrolisis treatments (hair removal). no sex change as far as surgical alteration was mentioned in the terms of it actually happening or being planned upon.

Owantjaaaa
May 9th 2012
3404 Comments


Massive respect, this takes some balls. (no pun intended....)
I hope he'll be happy with his decision

Digging: Sick/Tired - Dissolution

Hep Kat
May 9th 2012
15399 Comments


i wonder how many more times we'll have to suffer through the whole "takes balls (no pun lulz)" response to this thread

Owantjaaaa
May 9th 2012
3404 Comments


It was, like i said, not intended as a joke..

mxbrady
May 9th 2012
1445 Comments


I don't even know how to wrap my mind around this. I mean, fucking good for Tom/Laura to become who he is inside, but holy shit this is mind blowing.

mxbrady
May 9th 2012
1445 Comments


And as for that line in "The Ocean," shit, I thought that was figurative somehow.

BallsToTheWall
May 9th 2012
44805 Comments


Is Laura DTF?

Digging: Pink Turns Blue - If Two Worlds Kiss

Athom
Staff Reviewer
May 9th 2012
17231 Comments


also "Searching for a Former Clarity" and to a lesser extent "The Disco Before the Breakdown"

Hep Kat
May 9th 2012
15399 Comments


married bro

but also prolly

BallsToTheWall
May 9th 2012
44805 Comments


CHICKS WITH DICKS I LOVE CHICKS WITH DICKS

TheSpirit
May 9th 2012
18001 Comments


huh this is interesting

Digging: The Speed of Sound in Seawater - Red Version

iFghtffyrdmns
May 9th 2012
7047 Comments


dude the hormones are gonna change his voice and he's gonna start singing We Laugh at Danger in all high B's

which will be awesome

wacknizzle
May 9th 2012
13683 Comments


Huh, this came out of nowhere. I support his decision, I just hope he is happy once it's complete. I prey that will still be able to sing Against Me! songs.

Digging: Phobocosm - Deprived

porch
May 9th 2012
8460 Comments


shitty band but good luck to him

PuddlesPuddles
May 9th 2012
4787 Comments


And the facebook feeds begin..

Rejoice, all ye righteous punks, making sure everyone knows they support alternative lifestyles and decisions

mxbrady
May 9th 2012
1445 Comments


If Laura's voice ends up getting higher than Tom's because of the hormones, I need to hear some RAR style folk punk sung female style.
I feel like that would be awesome.

Electric City
Staff Reviewer
May 9th 2012
15743 Comments


way to steal laura's thunder, obama

Anthracks
May 9th 2012
3796 Comments


"comes out" is a little bit misleading as a title. gender dysphoria / transgender is not the same as being homosexual

Blackbelt54
May 9th 2012
4276 Comments


Whoa two pages

TrstN01
May 9th 2012
800 Comments


I think coming out as transgender is even tougher than coming out as gay, so mad respect for her! I really hope Against Me! stays around, I wanna hear what that will be like.

Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


been waiting for this all day. lawrence arms frontman and friend of laura and heather offered his 2 cents on his blog....

"How about this: People love who they love and they feel about their bodies how they feel, and those two things don’t have any effect on each other. For example, if you’re really, really fat and gay, and suddenly you become really slim, odds are 100% that you’re still gonna be gay. This is the same thing. Right now, Tom is not happy being Tom. He wants to be Laura. It won’t change his brain. In his brain, he’s already Laura (and he’s always BEEN Laura), who is a woman who fell in love with and still loves Heather. There’s no brain shift. The body is just catching up to how the brain has always wished the body could be. I don’t know. I don’t want to speak out of school. I’ve never experienced gender dysphoria firsthand and I’m not pretending to be an expert, but I do love my friends and I know that those kids are two of my favorite souls in the world. Good question though. Don’t ever be afraid to ask questions. That’s how you learn shit, man."

http://www.badsandwichchronicles.net/2012/hmmmmm/#comments

Imperial
May 9th 2012
1739 Comments


Someone is literally comparing being trans to having schizophrenia, that's how bad it is


It's kind of the same thing isn't it? You can't tell me wanting to be a girl when you're a guy or vice-versa is normal. It's a mental illness, it can be pretty debilitating to a lot of people. Lots of young kids mutilate their genitals because they hate themselves so much. So yeah they'd be correct for comparing it to a mental illness.

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


i think it's pretty stupid to compare losing weight to getting a sex change. people act like its a competition to see who is the most politically correct. i for one am supportive of laura and wish her the best, but lets not get carried away.

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


cool.

Satellite
May 9th 2012
20826 Comments


people act like its a competition to see who is the most politically correct

supporting trans people and not hating everyone who isn't white isn't "politically correct," it's just not being a total shitbag.

iFghtffyrdmns
May 9th 2012
7047 Comments


ok idk about that title change

BallsToTheWall
May 9th 2012
44805 Comments


Title change is even more offputing, and misleading as hell.

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


well i'll agree with you on the "not hating everyone who isn't white" part, but as far as the transgender part goes, you can't expect everybody to be completely comfortable with transgendered people. it doesn't make them complete shitbags just because they have more conservative views, you have to give these things time and realize that the entire world isn't made up of ultra socially progressive punk fans. i already said i was supportive of laura, but you have to consider that some people just aren't going to be comfortable with something like this, at least not yet. as long as they're not spewing hate at her, simply disagreeing with her choice does not make somebody a shitbag.

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


lol yeah the title change is really weird.

TheAshes
May 9th 2012
79 Comments


My cousin is transgender, he was extremely afraid to come out about it so I'm happy for this guy.

auberginedreams
May 9th 2012
6076 Comments


cool.

Kris.
May 9th 2012
12511 Comments


or Tom Gabel To Become Woman

BallsToTheWall
May 9th 2012
44805 Comments


Or Tom Gabel: Once A Man, Now A Woman

Kris.
May 9th 2012
12511 Comments


baby, i'm a woman


lol get it



no? ok =(

Makemebad35
May 9th 2012
765 Comments


That came out way left field for me.

Apollo
May 9th 2012
10373 Comments


best of luck to this person

Trist66
May 9th 2012
148 Comments


IT'S A PUBLICITY STUNT

Masochist
May 9th 2012
8084 Comments


"IT'S A PUBLICITY STUNT"

No...she just...

STOPPED
TOOK SOME TIME TO THINK
FIGURED OUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO HER
AND MAAAAAAAAAADE A SERIOUS DECIIIIIIIISION

:-P

mxbrady
May 9th 2012
1445 Comments


Against Me!
is
Reinventing Gender Lines!

Oh that's not it, is it?

Sirob
May 10th 2012
2653 Comments


yeah man this site changes lives. im more of an asshole now than i was when i joined

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 10th 2012
22047 Comments


It's kind of the same thing isn't it?

no
firstly they're completely different in their actual effect on the brain and even if it is a 'mental disease' that doesn't mean it's something horrible that needs purging, which is what some people there are claiming. Homosexuality used to be classified as a mental disease too, so it all depends on how it's defined.

Regulator
May 10th 2012
609 Comments


most unexpected music news story of the year so far for me.

pretty brave move to publicly announce this. good for Tom/Laura

Katechon
May 10th 2012
684 Comments


Don't care, Against Me! stopped being good years ago.

Blackbelt54
May 10th 2012
4276 Comments


They havent had a GREAT album since SFAFC imo but they're not too bad and they still rule live

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 10th 2012
22047 Comments


Gender Dysmorphia? Are you seriously gonna make up a condition for people that have a mental problem and need help from a psychiatrist. Its called growing up without a father, having horrible parents, always being around women, being sexually molested, being around homos, or just plain crazy. Use some of your doctor mumbo jumbo names for one of those but making up conditions for homos when there is no absolute scientific proof that says they are born with anything. Any proof you put up there I gaurantee that there is another study that can prove it as wrong.

ugh ugh ugh

and that's getting mostly upvoted

evilford
May 10th 2012
22985 Comments


this thread makes my day

never really been sure what to think about this type of thing and not sure that I ever will be sure what to think.

regardless, props for doing what makes him happy. if he honestly feels it's right for him, then no one should tell him differently.

AsoTamaki
May 10th 2012
2525 Comments


The fall of man continues.

I mean, how old is this guy? He is clearly able to survive just fine as a man. But no. He's gotta ruin his children's lives because he isn't content with his own. The poor guy didn't get to decide his race, gender and location before being born. Aw. I guess he was finally able to earn enough money with his awful music that he can now buy himself a new gender and make his dreams come true. What a twisted world this is.

AsoTamaki
May 10th 2012
2525 Comments


You really didn't have to edit in the "lol", andcas. Did you think I'd take you seriously? Come on, man.

mastille
May 10th 2012
532 Comments


'I Was a Teenage Anarchist' IS freaking catchy, never heard of AM before, wow

kudos to people on this thread generally being awesome about this. An F to M I know told me he wouldn't wish this condition on anyone.

porch
May 10th 2012
8460 Comments


"lol if I ever run into you in real life I will seriously fuck you up aso."

i believe it was hawks who said something similar to me once


Ire
May 10th 2012
41828 Comments


hawks threatened us all

porch
May 10th 2012
8460 Comments


i haven't been the same person since

mastille
May 10th 2012
532 Comments


all right guys let's ignore the umbrella

Marise
May 10th 2012
42 Comments


The fall of man continues.


lol, people still say shit like this in 2012? Yea what a twisted world we do live in. When someone actually has to courage to come out and be themselves people like you have the nerve to frame it as if Laura doesn't actually give a shit about her own kids.

AsoTamaki
May 10th 2012
2525 Comments


"When someone actually has to courage to come out and be themselves"
"courage to come out and be themselves"
"come out and be themselves"
"be themselves"

(I've always wanted to do this. Was it ok?)

Lol. Right. That's why he's getting surgery to become someone else.

porch
May 10th 2012
8460 Comments


lol keep doin your thing man

evilford
May 10th 2012
22985 Comments


hahahahah wow

Marise
May 10th 2012
42 Comments


That's why he's getting surgery to become someone else.

The sheer ignorance of that statement is mind boggling. You couldn't even take the time to even read the tiny article. Do you even know what gender means? I suppose you deny evolution and climate change too.


Idnuf
May 10th 2012
1491 Comments


lol @ the self-appointed guardians of transgender people

"I suppose you deny evolution and climate change too."

stereotyping is easy on both sides

WatchItExplode
May 10th 2012
3314 Comments


Gender is a spectrum and we live in a time where one can alter their body so that their perceived sex is more congruent with their identified gender. Thus, one can greatly reduce the internal turmoil that must come with feeling that you are in the wrong body. Deal with it.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 10th 2012
22047 Comments


Shut the fuck up asotamaki. Fix your fucking head and realise the shit these people go through before spouting ignorant crap.

Give it 100 years and people will look back on this in the same way we look back on racism now.

Hep Kat
May 10th 2012
15399 Comments


andcas is fucking furious

and you know what

...



so am I

Marise
May 10th 2012
42 Comments


stereotyping is easy on both sides


It is easy when you don't know shit about anything. Men and women have physically different brain structures and people that are transgender actually have the opposite gender as their birth sex. Saying she's "becoming someone else" is a non sequitur.

Idnuf
May 10th 2012
1491 Comments


lol @ idnuf standing up for someone who is pro-discrimination.


I'm not standing up for him, I find his views as repugnant as everyone else in the thread does. I'm standing up against generalizations. The "pro-discrimination" people demonize transgender people and can make untrue assumptions about them. The "anti-discrimination" people can demonize the "pro-discrimination" people and can make untrue assumptions about them. Obviously I find one of these situations much more offensive than the other (b/c those discriminated against are discriminated against for reasons often out of their control), but it doesn't make such generalizations appropriate in any situation.

The reaction to this news should have been apathy. Exalting Tom Gabel for "being himself" is useless. He's not superior because he has a different gender identity.

Idnuf
May 10th 2012
1491 Comments


It is easy when you don't shit about anything.


I actually have no clue what you're trying to say

Idnuf
May 10th 2012
1491 Comments


@andcas Ok sure, I mean I was responding to Marise in the first place, I never said you were the one making the generalizations

And are you making these judgments of AsoTamaki because of this thread only? The other posts I've seen from him generally criticize the musical taste of people like you who hate pop artists for no reason. idk I feel like that might be the source of a lot of your animosity. You can't seriously tell me you haven't seen more extreme bigotry on the internet before? It's hardly shocking.

Idnuf
May 10th 2012
1491 Comments


oh there he is andcas, master of edits. are the things he says vile or not? lol

Hep Kat
May 10th 2012
15399 Comments


def not a ninja edit

asdf 1
andcas 0

Marise
May 10th 2012
42 Comments


By being so apathetic, you're really defending him here, you're tacitly endorsing the behavior. Why should I treat bigotry with the same sort of consideration as a rational justification. And...

I actually have no clue what you're trying to say

yea w/e I accidently a whole word, as if that was the point I was making anyway... edited

AsoTamaki
May 10th 2012
2525 Comments


But andcas. They are just my opinions. Relax. We're an open minded community here at Sputnik.

Haha, master of edits. Seriously, I'd hate to see the guy try to talk irl.

Lol. Let's see here...

AsoTamaki:

That's why he's getting surgery to become someone else.

Marise:
The sheer ignorance of that statement is mind boggling. You couldn't even take the time to even read the tiny article.

Article:
Tom Gabel will undergo sexual re-assignment surgery to become Laura Jane Grace.


Pretty sure I read the article, pal. It's clear that English isn't your first language so I won't insult you or anything. Perhaps you aren't understanding the article. Read it again. Google translate could help also.

"Give it 100 years and people will look back on this in the same way we look back on racism now. "


That's a really stupid comment, but nonetheless. Tell me more, O Great Soothsayer. Will we have whites having surgery to become blacks as well?

DirEnRefused
May 10th 2012
2241 Comments


The reaction to this news should have been apathy. Exalting Tom Gabel for "being himself" is useless. He's not superior because he has a different gender identity.

Of course he's not superior for that. He is, however, openly taking steps in the pursuit of happiness that will no doubt, as a public figure, bring with it huge conflict and scrutiny. In our current (still maturing) society, that bravery is to be admired.

I do agree that generalisations should be opposed though, regardless of stance.

EDIT: Also Aso is a complete cunt so let's just ignore him.

Imperial
May 10th 2012
1739 Comments


It's kind of the same thing isn't it?

no
firstly they're completely different in their actual effect on the brain and even if it is a 'mental disease' that doesn't mean it's something horrible that needs purging, which is what some people there are claiming. Homosexuality used to be classified as a mental disease too, so it all depends on how it's defined.


Just because it has the word illness doesn't mean they need to be cured or it's a bad thing.

Marise
May 10th 2012
42 Comments


@aso Yea, you see the link up there that says rolling stone, you know the one where they interview the person in question, yea ctrl+f "surgery" 0 results. If you're going to insult someone's intelligence you better be fucking right.

Idnuf
May 10th 2012
1491 Comments


Except that's not the point at all. She's allowing herself to be a figurehead of something that's still very controversial to many, and is willing to take the negatives that come with coming out in order to raise awareness. I'm pretty sure that's something to be respected.


Yeah, that's completely fair. Indeed, good for her. I suppose I didn't measure my words correctly. Raising awareness for an ongoing issue is certainly noble. The feeling I got from the responses in this thread is that simply being transgender is something positive. She's being congratulated on coming out and "being herself". Yeah, being yourself is wonderful, but not something unique to her. Utilizing her position in the music world to make a statement is admirable, I wouldn't deny that.

By being so apathetic, you're really defending him here, you're tacitly endorsing the behavior. Why should I treat bigotry with the same sort of consideration as a rational justification.


No I'm not. I'm not endorsing shit. I'm viscerally disgusted by bigotry in a way that seems excessive when I talk about it with people in real life. I'm just tired of seeing the same defense of any LGBT person on the internet, and compliments being thrown on people just for being born different. It doesn't deserve compliment nor insult. Also, the me vs them mentality is obnoxious because it allows people who are on the right side to engage in the same ignorant behavior that the people they criticize engage in. It's like the mentality that seems to be shared by many democrats where all republicans are the same stupid, dedicated Christian. It's lazy. That's all.

who is the one assuming now? blah blah blah


I'm actually not assuming anything. I proposed a possible reason for some animosity without full knowledge of your interactions, by no means did I say it was definitely the reason. Now I know. He deserves criticism then, but don't be so hyperbolic and short-sighted with it.

Athom
Staff Reviewer
May 10th 2012
17231 Comments


once again, whoever wrote this news post didn't read the fucking article. he is not going through with gender reassignment surgery. he is starting hormone therapy. there's a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge fucking difference. read the fucking original story for christ's sake.

Aids
Contributing Reviewer
May 10th 2012
24098 Comments


you're all idiots.

Digging: Mitski - bury me at makeout creek

Idnuf
May 10th 2012
1491 Comments


no u

AsoTamaki
May 10th 2012
2525 Comments


Alright, so he's undergoing hormone therapy first before deciding if he has the "courage" to go all the way and have the surgery. That is a big difference, I suppose.

you've shown yourself as a deplorable racist
That's a new one. Good to see that you're branching out with your fiction.

Aids
Contributing Reviewer
May 10th 2012
24098 Comments


you're all fucking idiots

Idnuf
May 10th 2012
1491 Comments


no u

LifeAsAChipmunk
May 10th 2012
4854 Comments


They haven't been good in a while, so I don't really care too much. Good for him, though.

"you're all idiots."

Self-serving bias. Hi, Aids. 8)

PuddlesPuddles
May 10th 2012
4787 Comments


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odYyQsXgODc

Marise
May 10th 2012
42 Comments


No one would feel the need to come out and support Laura if people like Aso didin't exist. Yes, in an ideal world, this wouldn't even be news. No one is trying to put the LGBT community on a pedestal. There's difference between between special privilege and having the right to not be subjugated to hatred. If anything that's what I'm saying, she was born the wrong sex, what's the big deal?

It's lazy. That's all.

Yea, it is a shortcut. But you can't reason with these people. Explaining the differences between sex and gender and how people that are transgender actually have a different brain structure than their birth sex is a waste of time. You can only shame them. Make it clear that their bigotry is not welcome here.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 10th 2012
22047 Comments


Tell me more, O
Great Soothsayer. Will we have
whites having surgery to become
blacks as well?

MJ's way ahead of you bro.
But once again, complete idiocy. The brain can fundamentally be assigned (excuse my shit scientific explanations but you get the idea) to either gender and sometimes there's a mismatch. How the fuck is that anything like what you suggest and how is it relevant anyway?
Get educated before making moronic suggestions that this is anything like a vain or selfish choice, or assume he lived fine before cos that's plainly not true.
Ruin his children's lives? Seriously? At worst, the worst they'll get is having to live with their father getting constant shit from people like you.



fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 10th 2012
22047 Comments


Don't know why I even bother

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 10th 2012
22047 Comments


Triple post, ugh, hate this thing

VirFortis
May 10th 2012
30 Comments


Wow what a fag.

mangasm
May 10th 2012
672 Comments


Well, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger?

Idnuf
May 10th 2012
1491 Comments


^lol

EDIT: that was referring to virfortis. its funny no matter who he was referring to

VirFortis
May 10th 2012
30 Comments


"Well, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn676-fLq7I&ob=av2e

Athom
Staff Reviewer
May 10th 2012
17231 Comments


Aso, I just have one question: why does this bother you so much? If possible, answer this without invoking religion, that you think it's weird, or using straw man arguments. I'm just trying to get a handle on a thought process here.

AsoTamaki
May 10th 2012
2525 Comments


@redsky
He is what he was born as and there is nothing wrong with him. There is no need for any medical procedures. All of this body manipulation to cater to the whims of the malcontents is ridiculous. If anything, his case should prove that people with these supposed gender disorders can still lead successful lives, create families, etc.

@Fish:
Oh, an MJ joke. Real funny. How is racism anything like me not being in favor of men transforming into women? You're the one who brought that up, you nimrod.

excuse my shit scientific explanations but you get the idea
No, I don't get it. I'm far too moronic for that. Please explain to me the fundamental differences in the brains of a 31 year old man and a 31 year old woman.

assume he lived fine before cos that's plainly not true.
Yeah, bro. How did he make it through? Poor guy was in such pain that he spent his life fronting a successful rock band, marrying a beautiful (?) woman and fathering her child. Talk about harsh.

At worst, the worst they'll get is having to live with their father getting constant shit from people like you.
Father? Wait. Laura is a woman. Right?

mxbrady
May 10th 2012
1445 Comments


Aso, you're a dick. Show some sympathy towards another human being. It might get you somewhere.

Weedkeller
May 10th 2012
50 Comments


I've always had a crush on Tom Gabel, now I don't have to feel like a fag when I masturbate to her voice

mangasm
May 10th 2012
672 Comments


I love how you just speak about other people as if you'd even begin to have a fucking clue as to what goes on inside their head. the blinded egotism you possess caters to your delusional opinion that only your snarky outlook on human behavior is the true be all-end all. your ignorance is baffling and your points so moronically entitled that I'm not even shocked anymore that you reallyy buy your own bullshit. you think everything you can't intellectually grasp and goes against your believes is evil and at you're most hilarious peak of retardation, make believe. then again that's how your little religion treats everything that comes and challenges your fundamental teachings. the only thing you're capable of doing is shutting off, ignoring the facts, and if something doesn't gel with you then it's to be done away with as not natural. your little crusade is futile aso, these people aren't going to go away and are not sick so I really don't know why you carry on because you're wasting your time. On top of that you’re making yourself look like a complete and utter waste of life who refuses to realize what year you’re in. the most pathetic thing is you seek out these threads daily obsessing over other people's lifestyles, which says more about you than anyone ever could imagine. Grow the fuck up and get the fuck over it or else you’re gonna have one hell of a time dealing with society. [2]

coneren
May 10th 2012
11111 Comments


what they said

Knott-
Emeritus
May 10th 2012
10198 Comments


I'm with andcas. Fuckwits like AsoTamaki need calling out on the ignorant, blindfolded bullshit they peddle.

But I also revel in the fact that, hey, Aso, guess what? YOU'RE LOSING. And you're never going to turn it around. So fuck you, but at the same time: LOL.

auberginedreams
May 10th 2012
6076 Comments


lol'd hard at all the sexy avatars.

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 10th 2012
28815 Comments


i don't particularly care for Against Me!

prefer limp biz tbqh

Digging: Charli XCX - Sucker

mangasm
May 10th 2012
672 Comments


I like cone's pic too.

jdennis31
May 10th 2012
6511 Comments


lol.

AsoTamaki
May 10th 2012
2525 Comments


@Recspecs: Thanks for making andcas' comment readable. You are a worthy sidekick.

@andcas: wah wah wah

@Knott: Lol? Losing at what? The ideas expressed in these dark corners of the internet don't represent reality, in case you didn't know. This guy will never be treated as a woman. At best, he'll be the "this is kinda weird, but he wants to be a woman so I'm gonna be PC and pretend that he's a woman too" guy.

Calicula
May 10th 2012
133 Comments


Wow what a fag.

mangasm
May 10th 2012
672 Comments


"Thanks for making andcas' comment readable. You are a worthy sidekick."

If I'm anybody's sidekick I'm the sidekick of justice and freedom and love. If you are going to be an ignorant asshat, be an ignorant asshat. Don't expect any of us who aren't as close-minded as you to conform to your ridiculous belief system.

Marise
May 10th 2012
42 Comments


This guy will never be treated as a woman. At best, he'll be the "this is kinda weird, but he wants to be a woman so I'm gonna be PC and pretend that he's a woman too" guy.


Just stop. You're so far beyond ignorant. Just accept the fact that you don't know shit about being transgender and you're just prejudice asshole.

WeepingBanana
May 10th 2012
10217 Comments


This guy will never be treated as a woman. At best, he'll be the "this is kinda weird, but he wants to be a woman so I'm gonna be PC and pretend that he's a woman too" guy.


Call me crazy but I get a strange feeling that her friends and family that don't let things like transgender people get to them will treat her like a woman. You know, like any decent person would. And seeing how her music and the genre in which it's in is largely based off of sympathetic feelings towards people who go against the grain and solidarity in the face of aversion, she probably has a lot of those friends.

mangasm
May 10th 2012
672 Comments


He lives two or so hours away from me it wouldn't be a problem for me to show him some justice.

Scoot
May 10th 2012
17913 Comments


did not expect this

hope it works out for him, he's a fantastic vocalist

Digging: Renounced - The Melancholy We Ache

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 10th 2012
28815 Comments


i dont really care about this anymore.



i have over 1,100 playstation trophies.

Scoot
May 10th 2012
17913 Comments


also holy fuck @ some of the posts here

mangasm
May 10th 2012
672 Comments


He needs to go to a Tegan and Sara show.

Marise
May 10th 2012
42 Comments


swag

tom79
May 10th 2012
3384 Comments


Still wrapping my head around all this. AM! being one of my close favorite bands for years, the news
was just puzzling to me, just unexpected shock, and I guess mainly its because its just so
unrelatable to me (as in I cannot even begin to comprehend what he must have felt before). But this
is clearly something that's been with him for years, and to finally come out and do this I have
nothing but support. And I don't understand how people can get bent of out shape because of it. I
mean,what does another persons personal choice for happiness have to do with you? I don't think
everything is so black and white, and just because you don't understand it it doesn't mean it should
be condemned. I dunno, that's just my feelings about it. All the best to Tom/Laura.

ugh editing it fucked up the format..


mangasm
May 10th 2012
672 Comments


Yeah but when Tegan and Sara start scissorfucking on stage it will change his opinion on the LGBT community.

AsoTamaki
May 10th 2012
2525 Comments


Tegan and Sara are cool. "Walking with a Ghost" used to be the jam.

@WeepingBanana: I meant by the general population. Friends and family are different.

Lol. Tough guy andcas strikes again. Well, you're not really saying anything that's worth responding to. It's just your typical rant against religion mixed with some exaggerations and your usual hypocrisy. So that's all I have for you.


AsoTamaki
May 10th 2012
2525 Comments


Wow, man. What a great comeback.

mangasm
May 10th 2012
672 Comments


"I meant by the general population. Friends and family are different."

I'm pretty sure the general population of America is accepting of most of the LGBT community. Rural Georgia does not account for the general population of America.

Marise
May 10th 2012
42 Comments


Are we in middle school, comebacks?

AsoTamaki
May 10th 2012
2525 Comments


That doesn't even make sense, andcas.

Haha, rural Georgia. I live in the suburbs, tyvm. Being "accepting" is different from what I'm talking about. I'm not saying people are going to stone this guy to death or anything. They will treat him as a human being. I'm saying that in their minds, they aren't really going to consider him as a woman.

spillingmercury
May 10th 2012
877 Comments


"comes out" is a little bit misleading as a title. gender dysphoria / transgender is not the same as being homosexual

it's pretty hard to tastefully word a news article title that only allots you 50 characters. I've tried with this. "Tom Gabel is transgender" sounds weird as a news title.

This guy will never be treated as a woman. At best, he'll be the "this is kinda weird, but he wants to be a woman so I'm gonna be PC and pretend that he's a woman too" guy.

That's pretty awful of you to say. Just because you don't want to identify her was what she feels best identified by doesn't mean no one else will. And if you're talking about the general public, AM! is a punk band far as I'm concern. LGBT and feminism runs pretty big in that community, so I'm pretty sure their most immediate audience will be accepting of it.

AsoTamaki
May 10th 2012
2525 Comments


Why are you so obsessed with homosexuals, andcas? Seriously.

someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


lol people are really sticking up for this enormous pussy

Digging: Pet Shop Boys - Please

Scoot
May 10th 2012
17913 Comments


and in comes our site's resident retard, right on cue

AsoTamaki
May 10th 2012
2525 Comments


I'm obsessed with ridding one less person like you from my sight.

Lol.

Blackbelt54
May 10th 2012
4276 Comments


I just think we can't judge these people since we've never been in their shoes

Scoot
May 10th 2012
17913 Comments


yo guys i've been really edgy all my life

even tho my posts are fucking stupid and no matter what i do to try and change that fact they will always prove my worthlessness

fucking intolerance, man

someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


Critiquing mental illness is not intolerance. Unlike someone's orientation, this is just someone being a wacko. Let's find the real problem to his incapacity.

WeepingBanana
May 10th 2012
10217 Comments


yo guys I've been a woman all my life

even tho my DNA says I'm a man and no matter what I do to try and change that fact it will always say I'm a man

fucking gender dysphoria, man


biology doesn't single handedly determine gender you fuckwad.

PuddlesPuddles
May 10th 2012
4787 Comments


A dude somewhere out there in the world has an internal conflict. Arguing if we should be supportive or non-supportive comes unwarranted with a need to inject yourself in any situation you hear about. We all know he will do what he will as a human making a decision for himself. What the hell is there to talk about?

someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


biology doesn't single handedly determine gender you fuckwad.


Critiquing mental illness is not intolerance. Unlike someone's orientation, this is just someone being a wacko. Let's find the real problem to his incapacity.


WeepingBanana
May 10th 2012
10217 Comments


biology doesn't single handedly determine gender you fuckwad.


Critiquing mental illness is not intolerance. Unlike someone's orientation, this is just someone being a wacko. Let's find the real problem to his incapacity.


it's like talking to a fucking wall...

Scoot
May 10th 2012
17913 Comments


Critiquing mental illness is not intolerance

do you even think before you post

auberginedreams
May 10th 2012
6076 Comments


everyone needs to chill out, nobody is going to change anybody's opinion on transgender issues by arguing on sputnik.

someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


Well there's two insults in a row where you've said absolutely nothing to back up your opinion. And I'm the wall? Get the fuck out of here.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
May 10th 2012
31618 Comments


Really don't see how this is getting such a divisive response. You'd think anyone would be supportive of someone wanting to take the necessary steps to try and make their life happier

Digging: Theo Parrish - American Intelligence

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
May 10th 2012
31618 Comments


Just out of curiosity though, how old is her kid?

someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


If someone wanted to cut one of their arms off to be 'happier' would you support it?

WeepingBanana
May 10th 2012
10217 Comments


Well there's two insults in a row where you've said absolutely nothing to back up your opinion. And I'm the wall? Get the fuck out of here.


you're incapable of cohesively linking two thoughts together and thus incapable of formulating an appropriate response to the facts put forward to you. the only difference between you and a wall is that a wall provides me with something to bash my head against while talking to pathetic bigots like you, giving it some use and purpose.

wall 1
someguest 0

someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


another fucking insult with no backing

jesus fucking christ I hope you die tonight

Hep Kat
May 10th 2012
15399 Comments


Just out of curiosity though, how old is her kid?


2

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
May 10th 2012
31618 Comments



If someone wanted to cut one of their arms off to be 'happier' would you support it?


Ain't you seen 127 Hours? Pretty sure anyone who would have that thought running through their mind is more than likely mentally unbalanced

Scoot
May 10th 2012
17913 Comments


someguest is raging everybody look out

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
May 10th 2012
31618 Comments


2


I could just imagine what might eventuate if the kid was any older. Not in terms of the bullying he'd more than likely be subjected to at school, but just trying to process the entire situation on an emotional level

fuckthatnoise
May 10th 2012
1479 Comments


jesus christ this thread is still at it?

damn. you fags really do get defensive at times lol

everyone needs to chill out, nobody is going to change anybody's opinion on transgender issues by arguing on sputnik.


thisthisthisthisthis


Hep Kat
May 10th 2012
15399 Comments



I could just imagine what might eventuate if the kid was any older. Not in terms of the bullying he'd more than likely be subjected to at school, but just trying to process the entire situation on an emotional level


she

and yeah


someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


while weepingbanana fully supports transgender individuals, he's against:

indoor plumbing
the scientific method
bowel movements
walls

WeepingBanana
May 10th 2012
10217 Comments


while weepingbanana fully supports transgender individuals, he's against:

indoor plumbing
the scientific method
bowel movements
walls


you're literally making no sense.

go be a troglodyte somewhere else

pizzamachine
May 10th 2012
12572 Comments


I hope the best for her, this is not an easy choice.

fuckthatnoise
May 10th 2012
1479 Comments


troglodyte


oh snap

yeah he used a FUCKING THESAURUS to find that

bitch got TOLD

someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


well you're shitting all over this thread, but you're not enjoying or feeling relieved

you completely ignore the science of the issue, using nurture as your argument. if the subject was about orientation, you'd be using the nature argument. it shows you're a fucking hypocrite.

and I don't know you fascination with walls, they must be your first cousins or something.

someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


and yeah I would go look up a word too but to be frank I couldn't give a fuck less, and I'll just kindly add you to the billions of people I hope something or someone strikes dead in an instant

Hep Kat
May 10th 2012
15399 Comments


damn someguest is kinda like majin buu

hu man extincshun attak

how do u like it


lul

someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


probably since her bulge is so insignificant

WeepingBanana
May 10th 2012
10217 Comments


you completely ignore the science of the issue, using nurture as your argument. if the subject was about orientation, you'd be using the nature argument. it shows you're a fucking hypocrite.


i'm not denying that she is biologically a man. i'm saying biology and biology alone does not decide gender. gender is a social construction, sex is not. that's why she's transGENDER. accepting the scientific method and having the slightest grasp on sociology are not mutually exclusive

Chrisjon89
May 10th 2012
3833 Comments


"I could just imagine what might eventuate if the kid was any older. Not in terms of the bullying he'd more than likely be subjected to at school, but just trying to process the entire situation on an emotional level"

I feel the same way. I support the idea of people being with who they want and getting all the same benefits and stuff, but the second a child enters the picture it all becomes very complicated.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
May 10th 2012
31618 Comments


I mean 2 isn't so bad, but you are putting that child into a very complicated yet extremely delicate situation. It is unfair on the child, no matter how you try and swing it

mangasm
May 10th 2012
672 Comments


Anyways, I'll sum up my thoughts here:

Sputnik is full of lowlife closeminded degenerates and she deserves all the support she can get with the growing rate of LGBT related suicides. I'm an asshole 99% of the time, but this is serious and you pricks can fuck off to the Rest thread if you feel like being a dickchugger.

someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


wow look at that a guy sticking up for LGBT while using a homophobic insult

incredible

mangasm
May 10th 2012
672 Comments


Dickchugger isn't a homophobic insult.

someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


another retard lol

auberginedreams
May 10th 2012
6076 Comments


lol yes it is. i doubt you were saying it as a compliment.

fuckthatnoise
May 10th 2012
1479 Comments


wow look at that a guy sticking up for LGBT while using a homophobic insult

incredible


who cares??

do gays even get offended at insults like that anymore??

mangasm
May 10th 2012
672 Comments


Fuck it I'm gonna jam post-rock and drink some orange soda.

someguest
May 10th 2012
21390 Comments


'who cares' wasn't the point

he can't even connect two sentences in a row together since he switches viewpoints in the span of about fifty words

mangasm
May 10th 2012
672 Comments


I might even clean out my iTunes while I'm at it.

Kellerdeck
May 10th 2012
1881 Comments


Ah mangasm.

Kellerdeck
May 10th 2012
1881 Comments


But will he be hot as a woman?

spillingmercury
May 11th 2012
877 Comments


dickchugger isn't necessarily homophobic given that it's an insult to a sexual act rather than someone's sexuality. It could imply a female, male or anyone in between. js. It's still a dumb way of lashing out on someone, but so is calling someone a pussy or a retard. If we're being pc about it dickchugger is more like slut-bashing, which flies in the face of feminism, not lgbt, calling someone a pussy is sexist, and calling guest a retard is an insult to kids with special needs.

someguest
May 11th 2012
21390 Comments


yeah because he intended that insult for the huge population of women on sputnik

mangasm
May 11th 2012
672 Comments


I intended it for those idiots jerking each other off in that Rest thread.

someguest
May 11th 2012
21390 Comments


so circle jerkers are idiots now huh

TrstN01
May 11th 2012
800 Comments


this thread made me lose and regain my hope for humanity several times.

mangasm
May 11th 2012
672 Comments


"so circle jerkers are idiots now huh"

Yeah, definitely trolling.

auberginedreams
May 11th 2012
6076 Comments


like that's not your entire purpose on this site. fuck off with your "i'm a defender of peace and love" bullshit when you're the biggest cunt on the site.


someguest
May 11th 2012
21390 Comments


Yeah.

mangasm
May 11th 2012
672 Comments


"like that's not your entire purpose on this site. fuck off with your "i'm a defender of peace and love" bullshit when you're the biggest cunt on the site."

Lol far from it, but okay.

auberginedreams
May 11th 2012
6076 Comments


it's not funny anymore, you've crossed the line from troll to creepy internet stalker.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
May 11th 2012
50959 Comments


lol

Digging: Friendzone - Collection 1

auberginedreams
May 11th 2012
6076 Comments


like no joke, you're fucking weirding me out. just please drop the whole thing.

auberginedreams
May 11th 2012
6076 Comments


trebor i actually like you, but please just stay out of this.

Trebor.
Contributing Reviewer
May 11th 2012
50959 Comments


You're OK with me bro

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
28815 Comments


without reading any of it, just by looking at the exchange, i'm going to [123] everything someguest has sed

someguest
May 11th 2012
21390 Comments


rec probably gets free subsidized internet from the government

auberginedreams
May 11th 2012
6076 Comments


i don't know what your deal with me is, but i'm asking you nicely to please just leave me alone. you're making me legitimately uncomfortable.

mangasm
May 11th 2012
672 Comments


"rec probably gets free subsidized internet from the government"

You're right, how did you know?

someguest
May 11th 2012
21390 Comments


well you're black

i put two and two together

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
28815 Comments


saying "i'm asking you nicely" on sputnik is really asking for something else and you fucking know what that is by 1990 comments so shut the fuck up

auberginedreams
May 11th 2012
6076 Comments


this is none of your business bro, but thanks for your opinion. i'll be sure to come to you if i need anymore assistance.

auberginedreams
May 11th 2012
6076 Comments


hahaha

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
28815 Comments


where was my opinion

but true, none of my business. not even sure who you were talking to.

someguest
May 11th 2012
21390 Comments


stay the fuck up out my biznass

y'all niggaz all up in my shit and it's my biz nass my biz nass, stay the fuck up out my biznass

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
28815 Comments


cuz its mine oh miiiiiiiiiiiiine

someguest
May 11th 2012
21390 Comments


o no, fights out
about to punch your lights out
get the fuck back, guard your grill
somethin' wrong, we can't stand still

WeepingBanana
May 11th 2012
10217 Comments


woah this thread got dark

pretty soon someguest is gonna start hating it

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
31618 Comments


That any good Andcas? meant to be catching that over the weekend

Satellite
May 11th 2012
20826 Comments


i was hoping burton and depp would collab someday

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
28815 Comments


wait are you guys serious

like you thought the avengers looked like a cashgrab but you think dark shadows looks good

wtf

Satellite
May 11th 2012
20826 Comments


i've heard dark shadows is terribad and i don't doubt it because depp and burton are the absolute worst

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
28815 Comments


yeah seriously^

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
28815 Comments


when i hear 'new tim burton movie' it's the film equivalent of 'new sum 41 album'

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
28815 Comments


bloody murder we will scream

Satellite
May 11th 2012
20826 Comments


ed wood was like 20 years ago man. everything else has sucked shit.

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
28815 Comments


cas u must be into some dark hot topic shit dude #pain

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
28815 Comments


celebrities enact fictionalized tales

how can my boring life compete?

Satellite
May 11th 2012
20826 Comments


i thought about the drugs

how i thought they fixed my brain

theacademy
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
28815 Comments


goddam shuffle is treating me so good tonight

KotoFtw
May 11th 2012
1077 Comments


This thread is genious.

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
31618 Comments


it was deliciously fun and I highly recommend seeing it asap deviant.


Sweet. Burton and Depp are essentially just making variations on the same film at this point but they're entertaining. Plus Eva Green makes me purr

DirEnRefused
May 11th 2012
2241 Comments


Punk singer/Songwriter and Against Me! frontman Tom Gabel will undergo sexual re-assignment treatment to become Eva Green.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 11th 2012
22047 Comments


I just got back from a midnight showing of dark shadows

deviant beat me to it but I might see it just cos of eva green. love her.

not even gonna respond to asotamaki. worthless cunt.

someguest, just cos it's a mental illness, it's not something that can be cured or should be cured in the way other ones are. I don't even know if it's possible to fundamentally change the brain structure or suppress it, but why go down that route if this is the one that will make them happy?



Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
31618 Comments


Yeah, but she'll never top The Dreamers

Deviant.
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
31618 Comments


I am indifferent to Marilyn Manson's father

Scoot
May 11th 2012
17913 Comments


ot but i can't remember a news thread ever having more comments than this has

mangasm
May 11th 2012
672 Comments


So it is worth seeing yeah?

PlaygroundFading
May 11th 2012
433 Comments


god im seriously bewildered

like i thought this was going to be a 'don't see this movie because id rather you pirate it and not support it so stuff like this stops happening' thing

AsoTamaki
May 11th 2012
2525 Comments


Oh, hey. Fish is faced with the reality of having to think a little and make a post where pitiful jokes won't suffice so he chooses to sidestep the challenge. Surprise, surprise.

Yet you're still trying to bring up these "fundamentals" and brain structures when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Amazing.

mangasm
May 11th 2012
672 Comments


We're still talking about this?

someguest
May 11th 2012
21390 Comments


nope now they're talking about shitty movies

go figure

Katechon
May 11th 2012
684 Comments


I don't know what irritates me more, bigoted conservative assholes like Aso or white knight liberal assholes like Andcas.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 11th 2012
22047 Comments



Yet you're still trying to bring up these "fundamentals" and brain structures when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Amazing.

(This should be good) Educate me then.

Cos it's pretty obvious you've just jumped straight for the bigoted assumptions. Do you actually know how these people live?

Emim
May 11th 2012
26675 Comments


God, emim's a fucking idiot.

why are you being such a cunt and why do people on this site like you?

Apparently, for you, just as much effort as it takes to be an asshole.


ha

Emim
May 11th 2012
26675 Comments


someone's def mad bro

AsoTamaki
May 11th 2012
2525 Comments


Lol, Fish. Are you serious, bro? My previous post asked you to explain these fundamental differences in the brains of adult men and women. Even though you supposedly know what you're talking about, you declined to elaborate. Now, you decide to turn it around and play the "no u first" card in hopes that you can keep up the act a little longer. Weak.

Whatever. Just keep on tossing out those buzzwords like "bigot" and "homophobe" as if they can deflect attention from the truth and help conceal the fact that you are a dunce. Good luck with that. No need to respond to this one. I'm letting you off the hook.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 11th 2012
22047 Comments


For someone who's so sure of themselves I'd have thought you'd be fucked enough to do your own
research but I guess that just shows how fucking stupid you are.

Read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexualism#Biological-based_theories

And don't even try claiming it's unreliable because it's wikipedia because there're citations all over
it

balcaen
May 11th 2012
3183 Comments


Lol, a man wants to be a woman, this does not concern anyone in any way, shape or form other than his close friends and family...
Why is this still being discussed...

As much as I don't understand transpeople, I don't see how anyone would actually give a fuck about this.

ApplicationToHeaven
May 11th 2012
1564 Comments


"Lol, a man wants to be a woman, this does not concern anyone in any way, shape or form other than his
close friends and family...
Why is this still being discussed...

As much as I don't understand transpeople, I don't see how anyone would actually give a fuck about
this."
maybe its something to do with him being in a band people here (used to) like
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????/////????/

balcaen
May 11th 2012
3183 Comments


"maybe its something to do with him being in a band people here (used to) like
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????/////????"

lol, because suddenly he's a woman this changes everything about the music he made

AsoTamaki
May 11th 2012
2525 Comments


Well, people were talking about understanding certain lyrics better now or whatever.

@Fish:
Oh cool. You were able to google it successfully enough to find a wikipedia article. You're smarter than I gave you credit for. My apologies.

balcaen
May 11th 2012
3183 Comments


That's valid, but a generally kind of neutral effect. Shouldn't make the lyrics better or worse than they already wore, should it?

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 11th 2012
22047 Comments


@Fish:
Oh cool. You were able to google it successfully enough to find a wikipedia article. You're smarter than I gave you credit for. My apologies.

Obviously smarter than you if you couldn't find it yourself.

What do you have to say to it?

TrstN01
May 11th 2012
800 Comments


@balcaen

I'd say it makes them better because they make more sense.

balcaen
May 11th 2012
3183 Comments


Okay, not much of a point for further discussion there, though.

I mean, this isn't much of a shock. Look at the lyrics to "The Ocean":

"And if I could have chosen, I would have been born a woman / My mother once told me she would have named me Laura / I'd grow up to be strong and beautiful like her."

I MEAN GODFUCKINGDAMMIT IT'S RIGHT THERE

Gyromania
May 11th 2012
16088 Comments


Pathetic thread. Also, how many of you actually read the damn article?

HSThomas
May 11th 2012
668 Comments


And people wonder why the old users hate the new users...

AsoTamaki
May 11th 2012
2525 Comments


Whoa, Gyro? I thought you ragequit for good in that last thread a few weeks ago. Nice to see you back. Lol.

@Fish: I've got nothing "to say to it." The issue was whether or not you knew what you were talking about. It's now been proven that you didn't.

mangasm
May 11th 2012
672 Comments


Aso shut the fuck up.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 11th 2012
22047 Comments


@Fish: I've got nothing "to say to it." The issue was whether or not you knew what you were
talking about. It's now been proven that you didn't.

what the fuck, I just fucking showed you I do and that you're full of bigoted shit. That's the
issue

you are the biggest cunt I've ever known on this site

mangasm
May 11th 2012
672 Comments


Don't respond to him any more Anarchist so he will have nothing else to say.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 11th 2012
22047 Comments


No I want to run this piece of shit into the ground

AsoTamaki
May 11th 2012
2525 Comments


I'm pretty sure the thread is over, Fish. Just accept your loss and move on with your day.

fish.
Contributing Reviewer
May 11th 2012
22047 Comments


Are you fucked in the head? How the hell have I lost in any way? You made an ignorant and cuntish statement and you're refusing to accept that even when I've just showed you exactly why.

mangasm
May 11th 2012
672 Comments


Both of you kids stop before I call your parents!

Emim
May 11th 2012
26675 Comments


http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/image.php?u=703351&dateline=1336770812

evilford
May 11th 2012
22985 Comments


please stop bumping this dumb crap

someguest
May 11th 2012
21390 Comments


lol, because suddenly he's a woman this changes everything about the music he made


well if he was a rapper it'd probably be more of a big deal

BITCHES ON MY DICK

Iluvatar
Staff Reviewer
May 11th 2012
16089 Comments


confessing childhood secrets of dressing up in womens clothes. compulsions you never knew the reasons to

Scoot
May 11th 2012
17913 Comments


eww john's back

mangasm
May 11th 2012
672 Comments


only coz balc posted itt [2]

This is truth.

XingKing
May 12th 2012
11076 Comments


So I found three simple chords and held them together with my weird voice on an out of tune guitar my father gave to me.

someguest
May 12th 2012
21390 Comments


then you found your hidden












































asset

VanitySeason
May 12th 2012
396 Comments


that shit cray

DeathsThread
May 13th 2012
214 Comments


Am I the only one who thinks the band picture is absolutely perfect for the title?

Iluvatar
Staff Reviewer
May 15th 2012
16089 Comments


yeah john hanson wasnt gonna post on a tom gabel thread OKAY

also its "held them together with my weak voice"

XingKing
May 20th 2012
11076 Comments


I don't care what you say, I hear "weird" and I've been hearing "weird" for an eternity. NOTHING CAN CHANGE ME!

LifeAsAChipmunk
May 20th 2012
4854 Comments


Why is this still an issue?

XingKing
May 20th 2012
11076 Comments


This article made me relisten to their discography for the first time in years and I'm surprised how good some of this still is. The Eternal Cowboy is definitely my favorite full length of theirs. Acoustic EP and Crime being their best works overall.

I'd probably fuck Tom and Laura. No homo though.

Spec
May 20th 2012
27298 Comments


Was very surprised by this.

pedro70512
May 20th 2012
3653 Comments


holy crap this is a long thread.
exposing idiots for almost two weeks. \m/

Owantjaaaa
May 27th 2012
3404 Comments


The new Against Me! album will be called "Transgender Dysphoria Blues,”
And i am not even joking

CrimsonLies
May 27th 2012
2045 Comments


Wow, how difficult would it be for his wife and kids to accept this.
But I'm glad he's made this decision instead of living the rest of his life suffering. I hope all the best for them.

johnnyblaze
May 27th 2012
2637 Comments


just listened to the song owan. it was quite good

BUT THEY JSUT SEE A FAGGOT

someguest
May 27th 2012
21390 Comments


yo wife

i'ma be yo wife

Iluvatar
Staff Reviewer
May 27th 2012
16089 Comments


wuts owan?

johnnyblaze
May 27th 2012
2637 Comments


username: owantjaaaa

the song is "trasnsgender dysphoria blues"

johnnyblaze
May 27th 2012
2637 Comments


and ya, i'm happy her voice sounds like tom gabel on that song

Spec
May 27th 2012
27298 Comments


yo wife

imma be yo wife

Lol.

someguest
May 27th 2012
21390 Comments


all right spec liked my comment

self esteem just took off

Spec
May 27th 2012
27298 Comments


Fuck.

Satellite
May 28th 2012
20826 Comments


read the rolling stone article the other day. never would have imagined tom went through such dark times.



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