Vagrant Reacts To Thrice Leak
2009-07-21 by Dave de Sylvia STAFF | 69 Replies | 2825 Views

Vagrant Records, home of alt. rockers Thrice, has released a statement reacting to today's leak of the California band's new album Beggars.

An mp3 copy of the album appears to have been ripped from the label's watermarked and password-protected promo delivery site. It is believed that the leaker managed to bypass the security system and was not an authorised media person.

Beggars is currently scheduled for an October 13 release, however that date is subject to change given recent developments.

Vagrant wrote: "Vagrant Records here. We don’t normally chime in on message boards like this, but we see a lot of back and forth about the Thrice piracy issue and feel we should let people know our position: We see a lot of posts basically blaming us for this leak. Vagrant has been using that same player for almost three years and this has never been an issue.

"In this case, someone clearly and unfortunately went out of their way to try and hack into our system. The link got into the wrong hands and someone took the time to figure out how to get around the password and user log in. Obviously there are people out there we thought we could trust with that information, but instead have proven to be dishonest.

"Vagrant is currently speaking to Thrice’s management and the band about the best methods for the album release and how we’re going to proceed. When there is more to tell on that front, Vagrant will get the word out through all available media outlets.

"The band is honored to have such true, loyal supporters, and your responsibility in this matter is greatly appreciated. All we can do at this point is appeal to the fans good graces and ask they avoid permeating an already tough situation.

"We sincerely thank you for your support!"


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AlexTM510


Comments: 644
07.21.09


Although its upsetting that it leaked so damn early. I doubt this is going to hurt their album sales...if anything it could boost it.

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DaveyBoy
Staff Reviewer


Comments: 5817
07.21.09


Dave, get ready for new users flooding Sputnik with reviews of 'Beggars'.

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TricksterGRex


Comments: 1884
07.21.09


i was hoping this would be about some enraged homeless dude attacking people because thrice leaked

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strikey
Contributing Reviewer


Comments: 3391
07.21.09


It kind of sucks that this happened so early because by all accounts the band are the most genuine people you could ever wish to come across. I still think the security's an issue; there shouldn't be a way for a teenager in their room (which is odds-on favourite) to break past your website's defenses and lift the upcoming album of one of the world's best artists. I guess now it's damage control for the label, hopefully they can organise some deal whereby the record becomes available digitally fairly soon, or at least for pre-order.

Fortunately, Thrice's fanbase comprises a lot more dedicated fans than most bands' do; the chances are the album will sell well anyway, especially since the leaked version is a) voiceover'd, b) 192kbps and c) doesn't include the normal superb packaging Thrice are associated with. And for the record, it's good. I'm not going to pretend I haven't heard it, but that doesn't mean I condone the leaking of the material in the first place. And ofc I'll buy it in October, and do a fair bit of hyping in the coming months.

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fromtheinside


Comments: 2527
07.21.09


hopefully they'll tack some more songs onto the actual album release further down the line.
anyways i feel really bad for the boys.

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marksellsuswallets
Contributing Reviewer


Comments: 4227
07.21.09


If anything, the leak just confirmed that the album is more than worth buying.

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DaveyBoy
Staff Reviewer


Comments: 5817
07.21.09


Adam (or anyone else who has heard it), since I wouldn't illegally download anything, what do you mean by "voice-over'd?

Dave de Sylvia
Moderator


Comments: 6854
07.21.09


Vagrant's promos all have a short voiceover during each song, saying something like "You are listening to the new ... album" (I can't remember what exactly they have).

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SavageCore


Comments: 67
07.21.09


:O omg yes. Oh and sorry Thrice :P

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marksellsuswallets
Contributing Reviewer


Comments: 4227
07.21.09


"You are listening to a Vagrant Records advanced promotional stream."

redskyformiles
Contributing Reviewer


Comments: 5786
07.21.09


*advance promotional stream

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strikey
Contributing Reviewer


Comments: 3391
07.21.09


Once maximum every song, a low-pitched voice says "You are listening to a Vagrant Records Advance Promotional Stream", lasts about 2 seconds. Slightly interrupts the listen but it's not the world's end; it's hardly what you want on your copy of a song you enjoy, though, yknow.

handoman


Comments: 1976
07.21.09


that will still ruin it for me and i will not listen



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SavageCore


Comments: 67
07.21.09


The voice over isn't so bad, really digging it so far.

DaveyBoy
Staff Reviewer


Comments: 5817
07.21.09


Thanks for the clear answer guys.

Dave de Sylvia
Moderator


Comments: 6854
07.21.09


Cruz Del Sur's voiceovers are the best: just some Italian bloke with a booming voice stuttering his way through his one line.

This Life is Genocide


Comments: 1972
07.21.09


now the guy that leaked THIS album

ya, HE should face a firing squad

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atrink


Comments: 1135
07.21.09


he's gunna be in big trouble

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fromtheinside


Comments: 2527
07.21.09


RIOT!

strikey
Contributing Reviewer


Comments: 3391
07.21.09


hayley williams is hot

McScratchnsniff


Comments: 2
07.21.09


Early leak, man. The album sounds pretty sweet so far though, and let's be honest - this leak probably won't affect the sales whatsoever. Most people don't buy music, this we all know, so what's the big deal? Who would have bought this album but now won't because they can download it? Oh well, I personally am gonna buy it even though I'm listening to it already because I love Thrice.

atrink


Comments: 1135
07.21.09


hell ya to paramore being hot just hayley that is

good idea trying to change the thread topic to paramore. something that won't get us in trouble

WhereIsMyMind


Comments: 1102
07.21.09


props to them for throwing in a 1984 reference. amazing book.

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Cocaine
Staff Reviewer


Comments: 7130
07.21.09


Vagrant's system is okay and already beefy enough, it has restricted IP access and everything. That being said, it probably isn't rocket science to rip the songs off of it. This was just inevitable given the scope of the release, it's not a big deal. The voice-overs IMO impede the listening enough to make people want to get the real thing.

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atrink


Comments: 1135
07.21.09


the voice overs are usually over parts that don't focus on dustin's singing. so it barley covers teh best part of the album

Cocaine
Staff Reviewer


Comments: 7130
07.21.09


It doesn't make it hard to listne to but it makes you awnt to hear the full thing as intended. It's enough of a dissuasion without being a total distraction.

Dave de Sylvia
Moderator


Comments: 6854
07.21.09


I wouldn't say it was "inevitable". Obviously almost all records leak, but they only announced the details of the album last week- and it's almost three months until release.

strikey
Contributing Reviewer


Comments: 3391
07.21.09


yeah but cocaine's easily right; there's no way in hell that any thrice fan is going to be satisfied with versions of the songs that have some random label message over them when the album is available to purchase.

atrink


Comments: 1135
07.21.09


yeah i am going to buy it. i was just saying it's not like you can't appreaticate the song with those voiceovers

Cocaine
Staff Reviewer


Comments: 7130
07.21.09


I wouldn't say it was "inevitable". Obviously almost all records leak, but they only announced the details of the album last week- and it's almost three months until release.

Maybe not inevitable, but given that these streams are sent out so early and for the most seem to be flash based it's not surprising to see what ultimately boils down to a web-rip coming out. Then again, this seems to be more sophisticated as it seems like they're the actual base tracks that make up the stream players as opposed to individual sound-captures of the stream itself. But my point is this tends to happen when you send stuff out so early. The only album I've ever dealt with that hasn't leaked was Fortress: I got it about a month and a half prior to release and it didn't find its way online until it was released in Japan. Leaks happen and the sooner you send them out the sooner they come to be. Perhaps a sad truth but a truth nonetheless.

Dave de Sylvia
Moderator


Comments: 6854
07.21.09


Well they have to send out albums this early for print media- Alternative Press and whatnot are still Thrice's bread-and-butter and most have a lead time of up to 10 weeks. Sending out a CD might have been more secure, but you still have the risk of couriers etc.

Captain North


Comments: 2402
07.21.09


Voice over'd aye? I still need to get a good clean copy of a Soilwork album...my version has a voice over. xD

ThePalaceOfWisdom


Comments: 1764
07.21.09


Sucks for the band/label.

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radianteclipse


Comments: 263
07.22.09


Circles is SOOO GOOOD. So is the Great Exchange and Beggars. I feel a little guilty listening to this, but oh well.

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Satellite


Comments: 772
07.22.09


I haven't decided if I'm going to download the leak or not. They're my favorite band, so I'm torn between my fanboy loyalty to them and the fact that I can't wait to hear this motherfucker. Better sleep on it.

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Zip


Comments: 3731
07.22.09


How much you want to bet that some retarded nub reviews this tomorrow.

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Captain North


Comments: 2402
07.22.09


It's kinda boring so far.

ThePalaceOfWisdom


Comments: 1764
07.22.09


You're kinda boring so far.

Satellite


Comments: 772
07.22.09


Boom, roasted.

Captain North


Comments: 2402
07.22.09


*shrug* Any record I can forget I'm listening to on the first listen probably isn't all that great. And I don't get the radiohead references that were slung around when they were still recording.

Prophet178


Comments: 3069
07.22.09


Circle = Radiohead.

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Avirov


Comments: 934
07.22.09


I refuse to listen to the leak because I'm really really excited about this album. I'm gonna buy it for the whole experience, maybe on vinyl. I like that Vagrant is being so polite about this, most companies hate pirates to the point that it's innapropriate.

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cfbassist


Comments: 100
07.22.09


album is great through 2 listens...

radiohead influences shine through, dustins voice= even better, and "At The Last" reminds me of "trail of dead" sooo muchh

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pneumoniahawk93


Comments: 180
07.22.09


I have to say I have downloaded this, and it is incredible. However I will delete it later, so it will be like a stream of sorts, and then I will buy the album in October. Of all the bands that this happens to, Thrice deserves it the least. They have always treated their fans incredibly well.

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thebbqshrimp


Comments: 1196
07.22.09


i was hoping this would be about some enraged homeless dude attacking people because thrice leaked

I lol'd.


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ToWhatEnd


Comments: 3097
07.22.09


Thrice seriously does have one of the most loyal fanbases in music today; I can't imagine the band or their label is seriously worried about this negatively affecting album sales.

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mutatedfreek


Comments: 2970
07.22.09

Album Rating: 2.5

I heard the leak and I like the new album, but I probably won't listen to it again because I feel bad about it and anyway the voiceover is rather annoying

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strikey
Contributing Reviewer


Comments: 3391
07.22.09


i cant stop listening

Phantom


Comments: 6573
07.22.09


2 1/2 month early leak? Ouch. Not gonna download it because I hate listening to leaks with voiceovers. Irregardless of the leak it will still sell well. Although I wonder if they'll bring the release date forward...

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strikey
Contributing Reviewer


Comments: 3391
07.22.09


irregardless


lol sigh

thebbqshrimp


Comments: 1196
07.22.09


Nice catch, strikey. Just had a terrible W flashback. Oh, god.

mynameischan
Staff Reviewer


Comments: 13168
07.22.09


i own all of their albums and this will be no different, i'll buy the cd and if there's a vinyl/special edition i'll buy that too

but i'm still listening to the leak nonstop, so good

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zim101


Comments: 1
07.22.09


Ive been looking all around for this leak and can't find it. Where did everyone else rip it from? And i think Thrice's fan base is so strong this leak won't have that large of an effect. Everyone here including myself will still purchase the original copy.

It might even build hype for it do to the fact they may release the album earlier, imagine how many articles will take place.

But seriously where is the album leaked at!@!

Cocaine
Staff Reviewer


Comments: 7130
07.22.09


I probably won't purchase the original copy.

atrink


Comments: 1135
07.22.09


there's a thread on the forums with the link to the leak

EasternLight


Comments: 1405
07.22.09


damn this kinda sucks.

will try to resist.

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Titan50


Comments: 2603
07.22.09


Maybe I'll start listening to Thrice now

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atrink


Comments: 1135
07.22.09


you've never listened to thrice before?

gasmaskman


Comments: 973
07.22.09


I really hope this doesn't change the album's focus or they change something. They should just forget about it IMO. It may be hard for them to do, but I'll love them even more if they just let it go and release the record how they were going to.

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atrink


Comments: 1135
07.22.09


they already said they are gunna release it digitally as soon as possible

Titan50


Comments: 2603
07.22.09


you've never listened to thrice before?


no, soz

atrink


Comments: 1135
07.22.09


i thought it was a rite of passage to become a sputnik member to listen to thrice

thebbqshrimp


Comments: 1196
07.22.09


I've never listened to them, either. Should get on that.

StrizzMatik


Comments: 1286
07.22.09


Not THAT big of a deal. Minus The Bear's last one leaked almost 8 months before release date. Regardless, I'm going to listen to it, download the inevitable non-watermarked leak, and buy it when it comes out.

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Titan50


Comments: 2603
07.22.09


i thought it was a rite of passage to become a sputnik member to listen to thrice


No, that's Radiohead

gasmaskman


Comments: 973
07.22.09


No, it's Converge or CTTS.
Or maudlin of the Well.

atrink


Comments: 1135
07.22.09


but everyone here loves thrice

Titan50


Comments: 2603
07.22.09


In that case I'm 2/3 of the way there

Wizard


Comments: 9809
07.22.09


Fortunately, Thrice's fanbase comprises a lot more dedicated fans than most bands' do;

Opeth ftw.

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