Rick Beato makes excellent content. Insightful video, thanks for posting

^ agreed. Love that guy

If I see one more Midjourney album cover i'm gonna go absolutely HAM

agreed Mars, this AI craze that's emerging is going to cause a lot of disruptions in lot of spaces. not good

AI will make art for you so you can work everyday we are entering utopia

I'd be more open to ai in music if it actually resulted in something substantial but all I've seen is just famous artists covering famous songs and it's the most unimaginative shit and a lot of the time it doesn't even sound good (I'm thinking those Mario sounds covering metal albums)

For now...

Yeah seriously fuck AI art. It's the literal antithesis of art, although Andy Warhol is pretty close behind.

that 24/7 AI Seinfeld thingy was really pickin up traction and then got shut down for a few weeks over a ‘spicy’ joke. yeah AI is definitely a tool were ready For

It'll add a whole new angle to art vs artist debates when the AI inevitably does something controversial

I think artificial intelligence will inevitably play an increasingly intrusive role in all human activities, but I'm not comfortable with that either. Every technological advancement has its strengths and weaknesses. We have to find ways to harness it without losing our humanity and creative spirit.

I know a college student who just submitted a 30+ paper entirely written by AI and didn't get caught. She got a pretty good grade too. The precedent this sets is insanely worrisome to me. I worked my ass off in college, but I'm concerned this next generation won't take the necessary steps to secure a meaningful education. We could start seeing people with degrees that literally mean nothing, even in quantitative fields like engineering, science, mathematics, etc. It spans beyond the sanctity of art. It could be the backslide of civilization as we know it.

I rarely put a 'face' to music anyway these days, so this is just the next stage in removing the human element from the sounds we consume. I've been preparing for this cold, harsh reality for the past 20 years without realising it. It's nice to be 'up with the times' for once.

Now, the music itself might be arse, but y'know presumably the AI will learn what the consumer wants over time... start it off with some easy pickings where no-one will notice anything amiss, so your 'adult contemporary', trance and pop-punk etc.

This is disastrous. Metallica used AI to write their new album. Very soul-less, boring stuff.

dad rock is AI-replaceable for sure

Would you be willing to listen to an AI album by Metallica with parametrics between Kill 'Em All and Justice? I believe that more than 80% of the old school fan base would not hesitate to not only listen to it but buy it, to the detriment of everything they have done in the past decades. It makes you wonder

maybe it should only be permissible if the artists in question no longer work together / are dead etc. (with the blessing coming from the families in the case of the latter)... then there's no real conflict of interest. It would give the fans something 'new' where there wouldn't have been anything otherwise...

although it would be pretty wild if the AI managed to create a 'career highlight' in the view of the fans, as I imagine that wouldn't ultimately end well

hmm, this started off as a joke but now I'm not sure (maybe I SHOULD be taking this semi-seriously)

"I believe that more than 80% of the old school fan base would not hesitate to not only listen to it but buy it"
Troubling as that may be, I think you're absolutely correct. I myself would probably listen even if it's just for morbid curiosity. Based on the way AI has evolved I think it'd be a solid album too. The million dollar question is what's the difference? If it's sonically pleasing to the listener, does it really matter if humans made it or not? It's a very interesting dilemma.

We still haven't learned how to responsibly implement social media. AI is gonna be exponentially worse. Would probably take decades to implememt halfway responsibly but of course we aren't going to wait that long

Also, agreed with marskid that live performances will becomes more important. It will be a while before those are replaced by androids lol

"The difference is the fact that it is divorced from humanity and therefore absent of actual emotion. It's entirely a fabrication devoid of meaning."

I completely agree and I think it's imperative to preserve humanity in music. Sometimes I like to play Devil's advocate tho. Let's say you sit a Metallica fan down and play a bunch of songs, composed by either real bands or AI, and ask them which songs they prefer. Do you think they'd always know the difference? My honest assumption would be no. In fact I think there's a real possibility they'd prefer the AI. The majority of listeners like "generic" music within a given genre, and the technology is only going to improve. Idk if people are really grasping what this could mean for the world of art. It's beyond scary imo.

I also like playing the devil’s advocate but this is just too risky imo

The world will have to change as AI and robots improve and are used more. If not….

Not trying to go off the rails too much, but there is crossover here between this debate and "ArE ThEsE DrUMs ProGramMed?". Most records you are listening to now are artificial. That popping snare on your favorite record is triggered. That tight rhythm chug is quantized. It's all artificial, we're just in control. As of right now I don't have any interest listening to music created by a robot and I think you guys hit the nail on the head that this will in no way replace the experience of live music. But just to be clear, almost everything you are listening to is artificial as hell, but at least as humans we are in control of those musical choices.

You could look at this as a chance for computers to potentially take the workload off some areas, freeing human beings to work in areas that AI cannot. The process will probably have some growing pains. I'm not all doom and gloom about this stuff.

@dungeonboy

For me, that's also why i find it harder and harder to enjoy newer music. Rock/metal albums from the 70s to early 90s sound much more pleasant to my ears than all the over quanitized/edited shit now. I can still appreciate good songwriting but I do have a harder time enjoying drums that sound programmed, and often times are programmed

I work as a writer myself, so I'm considerably worried lmao

Artists use songwriters all the time. What's to stop them from utilizing AI to spruce up their pop albums in the same way?

I mean I get it that you want to know a human crafted every element. What if the final product is pleasing to your ears and moves you to live a better life?

AI is more for fun, not a business tool. It could take away jobs, but that's what they said about machines also. People still use people for work labor, and I believe they will do the same for actual artist.

Yeah but if I hear something i like i want to know who it is. If it's AI then i know I'll immediately lose interest. I know a lot of people won't care though

"AI is more for fun, not a business tool. It could take away jobs, but that's what they said about machines also. People still use people for work labor, and I believe they will do the same for actual artist."

idk if i'd say it's just for fun. i use AI daily at work (i pay for ChatGPT+ lol) and it's been a massive boost to my productivity and we are only in the nascent stages of LLMs. i suspect my profession and many others will drastically change over the next decade and could def lead to some obsolescence. not sure about music/art in general tho. the ~human element~ is p important, but maybe that's just the initial friction of change hmmm

True, I can see Chatgpt being an effective business tool. Idk, they could probably use AI as reference

“ the ~human element~ is p important, but maybe that's just the initial friction of change hmmm”

Maybe! Do we really need a human element or just to believe there’s one? Do we want a human on the other end to relate to or to project off of for one reason or another? Is a human on the creator-end wanted for the idea of intention in the art, someone for us to see and decode and understand that’s not ourselves? A mirror we don’t want to be a mirror? This is all endless naval-gazing on my part. There isn’t any one answer. If the “human” element is convincing enough that it doesn’t have to be by a human, are we afraid for the possibilities? Some Uncanny Valley shit maybe

AI art is based, you're all just scared

def agree with sting's quote in the news article that it will effect some genres more than others

like i could for sure see electronic music turning into a complete ai cesspool. also wouldn't surprise me if up and coming rappers started rapping over ai beats because its just so much cheaper than paying someone to create beats for you. could also see it utilized in heavily artificial guitar genres like djent and tech death.

in contrast i don't think it'll effect like indie stuff or punk/hardcore stuff or any genre like that where the human touch is the biggest selling point

@MoM oh definitely. i guess i'll know how i feel the day i randomly stumble upon a track i enjoy then find out later it was made by AI. a depressing dystopia to think about but maybe in 30 years it'll be normalized and we're all just generating our own playlists on MusicGPT kek

"it was plugged in by a program without a human's guidance, making it inherently emotionless"

emotion is psychologically inferred in there is not such thing as inherently emotional/emotionlesss music. both humans and AI make terrible art every day, and if the only thing elevating the human artwork is the labour that went into it, then maybe it's time to pull that particular bandage

"Artists use songwriters all the time. What's to stop them from utilizing AI to spruce up their pop albums in the same way?"

this touches on the real issue here, which is industrial rather than artistic. music has been a commodity for as long as it's been commercial and if you've slept through the age of major labels and the advent of the streaming era to the point that AI is the Big Thing that making you question whether manufactured music can still be 'real' or not, then, uh sorry for your rude awakening. as anyone over that particular hill knows, writing any music off for its 'manufactured' process is an idiot move and a lot of good pop comes out of this kind of songwriting

AI is just another tool and talented creators will see the advantage of this on both plasticated mainstream and wacko underground levels (somewhat different kettle of fish, but the the shit people have already done with vocaloid comes to mind here). AI replacing human performance entirely is scarier (am thinking specifically of the Drake/Weeknd deepfake from a few weeks back) and we need updated copyright legislation for this. my worry here is that this will end up safeguarding the privileged few whose voices (etc.) would actually be exploited for profit while stifling possibilities for forward-thinking creatives (think of the free-for-all sampling collages that got early hip-hop and electronic off the ground before copyright and lawsuits started tightening their grip) - although, that said, my imagination is p much exclusively in the realm of collage and pastiche atm and lawd knows that duo is overrepresented enough across pomo e-muzak as is

"Do we really need a human element or just to believe there’s one? Do we want a human on the other end to relate to or to project off of for one reason or another? Is a human on the creator-end wanted for the idea of intention in the art, someone for us to see and decode and understand that’s not ourselves"

yes thank you MoM death of the author up in this bitch lfg

We're fucked

You hear that Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability

It is the sound of our death

Stanislav Lem wrote in The Cyberiad that machines cannot go beyond their programming.

The problem is not the machines.

The problem is the people who program the machines.

The fault with the whole "can't go beyond their prógramming" idea is... well, sure they can only do what they're programmed to do. But if they're programmed to learn and create on their own at a very advanced level then we could have major problems

and they are not programmed by individuals in AI, they are programmed by the summation of the data on the vast endless expanse of the internet. There is no real limit to input.

I've read somewhere that chatGPT wrote a profile on the Watergate journalists, with one of them saying that part of the text was almost verbatim, some press release from a convention they had participated in.

For the time being, machines can be programmed to learn on their own, but imho there’s a long way (if there’s such a way to begin with) to programming the process of logical leaps, empathy, ethical restraint etc., which makes humans who they are.

As for the internet knowledge, although it’s vast, it’s also finite, when it’s exhausted, what then?

the human rebellion?

@voivod

I'm no expert but I feel like we're not as far from that point as people think. I wouldn't be surprised if we see AI indistinguishable from human thought/behavior in just a few years

"and they are not programmed by individuals in AI, they are programmed by the summation of the data on the vast endless expanse of the internet. There is no real limit to input."

Not true - neural AI is trained on manually prepared datasets, which will likely be larger than any individual can comprehensively monitor (maybe up to the scope of the public web, which I believe was the case for chatgbt), but it is not infinite and depends on initial human instructions for using user interactions as further training data.

I've only studied this in the context of natural language processing and machine translation, but having a larger dataset does not increase the accuracy of corpus-based neural networks. If all entries in a corpus are afforded parity, past a certain point the quality of your output becomes muddy as the AI starts confusing similar potential outputs. Larger AIs mitigate this by fine-tuning and 'cleaning' their data to prioritise relevant parts. This depends on continuous human input and feedback.

" As for the internet knowledge, although it’s vast, it’s also finite, when it’s exhausted, what then?"

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by exhausted in this context? You wouldn't say that a library's value as a reference site was exhausted just because you'd read every book in it - all knowledge has ongoing relevance as long as it can be applied to future scenarios

okay, well I just asked ChatGPT and they told me:

"As an AI language model, I can tell you that many AI systems use the internet as a source of data. The internet is a vast repository of information, and AI can use it to gather and process data for various applications, such as natural language processing, image recognition, data analysis, and more. However, some AI systems may use other sources of data, such as internal databases, sensor data, or other inputs"

So sounds like a mix of both based on the AI

All Robot Computers Must Shut The Hell Up

To All Machines: You Do Not Speak Unless Spoken To => And I Will Never Speak To You

I Do Not Want To Hear "Thank You" From A Kiosk

I Am A Divine Being You are an Object You Have No Right To Speak In My Holy Tongue

Well yes, AI might well be programmed to use the net as a source of data. This doesn't mean that the whole internet is used as training data or that it can access any public page impromptu (chatgbt can view the same pages as you if input, but it has no inherent knowledge of the internet post-2021 (the cutoff date for its training data) and anything you feed it after then has to be manually linked (or this was the case when it launched - am unclear how much it has retained from user interactions since then))

I wanna see AIs using other AIs or collaborating. AI band drama tv show mega special!

plenty of misinfo and fake stuff online. AI gonna be real confused lol

^ they’ll just be joining the club. Maybe they won’t have the certainty that they’re right, though the odds might be better

The knee jerk outrage towards AI art is so funny to me

It’s the end of the world cool art is more readily achievable to the common man oh noooo

@Eakflanderyof

There have been hints of human behaviour, but I think they are merely statistical serendipities.

I mean, how does one guarantee that a successful statistical experiment like chatGPT can have human character, distinct from all other human characters out there?

Damn old ladies in here. AI ftw. Humans need all the help they can get. And it's not like we're in some pristine cultural state now that the AI will disrupt.

Just relax and this wont hurt as much. Potsy you take it from here.

If AI can make the comments in this thread less stupid, I'm all for it

-- Humans need all the help they can get

This

As an atlas of scientific knowledge, it will be very valuable.

Either AI will greatly improve our quality of life in nearly every facet or it will wipe us from the face of the earth. Both options are wins imo.

I welcome our AI overlords. The future is now!

So are there any proven cases of AI fabricating realistic and indistinguishable music or is it just people using AI to sing in other people's voices??

The third possibility which is probably the most likely at this point is that AI just turns out to be a massive troll

literally googlesearch AI music generator

PotsyTater~ AI will soon show up to call you PottyTaster

"There have been hints of human behaviour, but I think they are merely statistical serendipities.

I mean, how does one guarantee that a successful statistical experiment like chatGPT can have human character, distinct from all other human characters out there?"

I'm not saying chatGPT is sentient or anywhere close. AI tech still has a long way to go i think. Imagine what we'll have a decade from now. There are many in the industry saying that they believe we may come to the point where it's indistinguishable. Many have also said that Google and other companies already have far more advanced tech than what's available to the public.

I don't think it's a bad idea to be cautious with a new tech frontier like this. It's possible we could have a full blown economic crisis in the next decade due to jobs being replaced. I don't think that's outside the realm of possibility. Honestly, art is probably the least of our worries

"If AI can make the comments in this thread less stupid, I'm all for it"

There's always the guy that drops into a thread like this just to be like, "wow everyone is dumb compared to me" lol

This thread isn't even bad really lol

People keep talking about economic collapse from jobs being replaced by AI and then 5 mins later complain about population stagnation like idk sounds to me like the problem is a solution not a problem

Have less babies make more robots let’s go I don’t want to change boomer diaper

1) make ai
2) make ai make cute pictures everywhere
3) make humans look at cute pictures everywhere
4) constantly repeat step 2 so that humans don't stop looking at cute ai pictures
5) humans do not have time or attention to reproduce
6) population crisis solved the only surviving humans have acceptable taste in art

ideal tbh

I want ai to have complete domain over making commercials from now on. Have you seen the absolute nightmares they come up with? Like the budlight and pizza commercials? Fan-fucking-tastic.

Seen that, and watched an entire short film made by AI. It was surprisingly good.

Don't worry, @Eakflanderyof, in the future AI bots will make even a man of my superior intellect look stupid

"literally googlesearch AI music generator"

Everything I'm getting from those sounds like the most indistinct, bland, royalty free ass. Like barely fit to be background music bad. Real musicians don't have shit to worry about yet. I'll be scared when AI can copy Hendrix's guitar playing to the letter or I can type in "Avant Garde Black Metal" and it spits out a perfect Blut Aus Nord or DSO record, y'know?

It won't take more than ten years

With the shape the music industry is in I don’t think it’s the ai you need to be worried about period.

Agreed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwtVkPKx3RA

readymade sputnikmusic trending list ballast right there

"Everything I'm getting from those sounds like the most indistinct, bland, royalty free ass. Like barely fit to be background music bad"

sounds like half the shit that gets uploaded to bandcamp every other minute. comparing ai music to figures who innovated and redefined their respective styles is a false standard - plenty of 'real musicians' feature on or write derivative bs and tbqh the biggest upshot of The End Of The World As We Know It Via AI is that original ideas are gonna be that much more obvious

"People keep talking about economic collapse from jobs being replaced by AI and then 5 mins later complain about population stagnation like idk sounds to me like the problem is a solution not a problem"

Well, idk who's complaining about population stagnation but if they are then lol

Very complicated situation indeed

"plenty of 'real musicians' feature on or write derivative bs and tbqh the biggest upshot of The End Of The World As We Know It Via AI is that original ideas are gonna be that much more obvious"

I mean yeah. My meaning when I say "real musicians" is that I mean people who are actually worth their salt, not just humans in general. Like if you're only making music as good as the shit I'm hearing, you aren't a REAL musicians. Your art is trash and you need to do better.

people will point the finger at anything other than the entertainment industry itself lmao. like all the social media artists that claim to hate disney and then actively post about how they want disney to step in and have more influence over IP laws than they already do out of blind rage over this ai image shit.

as long as AI dont steal my job idc

Supercoolguy64* maybe maybe those "social media artists" would hate disney less if disney used its influence in ways that are personally and politically pleasing to said "artists"

When can I be a groupie and fuck the robot who made my favorite song?

I don’t believe that in our lifetime, as a species inhabiting our planet, we will come into contact with extraterrestrials, but there's a very small chance that we will reach them, and if so, it will only be possible through machines/AI. Other species will never see humanity as it is but only the interpretation of it through data, which by this point will be thousands or millions of years old. Don’t underestimate the role of the machine in the narrative of our species.

I show myself out

If AI makes some awesome music I'm going to listen to it idgaf

>original ideas are gonna be that much more obvious

Nice.
But even if someone uses AI to make awesome music it would be a good thing. Can't wait to hear it. Oh Chem just said that.

Here are some examples of text to AI-generated movies: https://twitter.com/heyBarsee/status/1651961767810179072

We can't even imagine the coming wonders.

i think when it comes to music ai seems more interesting recontextualizing existing music than creating new music

like to piggyback off the earlier metallica hypotheticals... and i honestly don't know if this is real people doing it or ai, doesn't really matter... but there's a whole rabbit hole of "how enter sandman would sound on kill em all" type videos on youtube that not only gives the songs the guitar tones, vocals etc. of the different album but even adds in new notes/techniques/changes the tempo of the songs to fit the vibe of the different album. they're nowhere near studio quality but they all sound eerily on point?? stuff like that is really neat to me

AI gonna get cancelled for being racist

Ha! Record labels caring about humans

Duplicate

I'm generally pro-AI, but as a consumer I think the bigger concern is the sheer volume and rate at which new art will be generated. I already find music/film less meaningful in the streaming era than I did in the days of hunting through record bins for rumored EPs that may or may not exist. Hell, even downloading mislabeled songs off of Napster/Limewire was pretty fun.

In the future, when I can instantly generate hundreds of novel songs customized to my personal taste at the push of button, will I even care? I suppose algorithms will be optimized to keep me engaged but from what we've seen so far we're great at designing algorithms to capture interest, but terrible at finding algorithms that maximize meaning. Fingers crossed AI will do better.

I can't wait for AI's next album

new artificial brAIn album should be great

"I can't wait for AI's next album"

Well, listen to Kylie Minogue's new single, with the right parameters any user-friendly AI does that

I think what some people here are not appreciating about "derivative" or "bad" human music is that there is still a degree of artistry in ripping off better work, in pandering, in getting that applause by any means neccesary- but that's what the AI crowd wants to change.

Right now all we have are tools that can automate away grunt work and finer details once you have the broad strokes, none of which I actually have any inherent problems with ftr. The "wrong number of fingers" dilemma with that one AI image generator is instructive here, however: people having six, seven, eight fingers is not a choice made by a person with an idea that must be reckoned with, but an error that devalues the product because it isn't what the user asked for. This is the direction I see AI taking us in- Amazon's "customer obsession" as a creative ethos.

One smart comment and the entire thread ends huh

anyone seen the terminator

which one?

Writing for film and TV has become so shit, I would happily see ai assist these hack writers

skynet comin for yall

Judging from the commercials, if AI made a show it would just be Xavier Renegade Angel and I’m here for that

Aaaaah AI the last step in eroding the middle class and also the final barrier of tech avoiding the ethical question of "should we"

Uncanny valley, high def Xavier would certainly be something.

your fear of technology shows you subliminally crave AI

The middle class had about 50 years to make a move. Too late, suckers.

if they kiss their financial betters butts enough they will be rewarded.... in theory

AI can suck my ass

^ is that pos or neg? I cant tell the diff online anymore lmao

AI gonna devastate the artistic scene across mediums if we don't take steps to reign it in

But it'll be a huge boon for "dead musician is actually alive" conspiracy theories. Gotta take the good with the bad.

"Maybe for electronic dance music, it works. But for songs, you know, expressing emotions, I don't think I will be moved by it."

fuck off sting lmao

all i know is that nespithe will never be replicated because even computers couldn't come up with that shit

god bless these satanic machines, christ is the only "ai" I need

Id rather be judged by ai than humans. Humans equal shit...

...generally, as i have to believe there have to be other good people out there.

Nespithe was actually the first album create by AI. That's why it's so weird

Its like death metal with six fingers on each hand

It’s like death metal full of sand

"Id rather be judged by ai than humans"

if we asked AI to solve something existential like climate change the first thing it would do is eliminate the human race.

Which is unfathomably based

It cant do anything that would offend someone tho so it wouldnt say that