fuck the band and fuck tillian [3]

holy fuck lmao I can't believe they did it

Fuck you Will Swan. Fuck you, Matt Mingus. Fuck you, Jon Mess, and fuck you Tillian "the diddler" Pearson. Sex Pests, all.

Band is done for. This speaks volumes about how seriously they take his actions and says a lot about them personally. I would be so embarrassed if I were their friends or family.

What were they thinking?!

hopefully this announcement finally sinks this clown ass band out of existence

just ordered the whole discog boxset bundle deluxe ten times

seethe

So angry wtf is going on

Someone check to see if ShadowNeko has a K-On avatar

What ?

"That girl is a hoe anyways lmao. Why shift on the damn blame towards him? She did wrong sh1t too."

You really woke up today and just decided to be scum

Get a life ? Why everyone so angry?
Is Tillian innocent then ??

Fuck Tillian and fuck the rest of DGD too.

Okay??

Given the choice between spending my time defending rapists and spending my time not defending rapists, I will decidedly spend my time not defending rapists, unlike ShadowNeko.

Wow.

I’m not defending a rapist bro
What

So hostile ? yikes
I’m not defending anyone bad. I’m confused at the hostility here.

ShadowNeko goes around gesturing to women to remove their headphones

listen dude tillian is at the minimum an arrogant ass that can't take no for an answer. You really don't need to be defending him.

Two wrongs don’t make a right? I heard she set ppl up is that true? Idk

Huh ? I’m confused here.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Also mind your own business please lol.

????? bro fuck off lmao

can we get an ip check on this rapist defender

I’m not defending him what

you know exactly what youre doing

>MRA band

TIL that being against genital mutilation and conscription means you're cool with rapists

Tillian is wrong but isn’t the chick too??
I can have an opinion right? I am confused

Don't berate ShadowNeko too hard. Commenting NPC phrases on this thread is gonna be the highlight of his weekend

the clown with melodeath AND alt rock in his pie chart AND a gengar avi seriously trying to play keyboard warrior today

"just ordered the whole discog boxset bundle deluxe ten times

seethe"

reposting before this comment gets away from anyone

>
Tillian is wrong but so is the chick
I can have an opinion right? Wtf

What did she do wrong exactly? She said she didn't want to have penetrative sex with him and he went ahead with it anyway. Silence != consent.

"TIL that being against genital mutilation and conscription means you're cool with rapists"

imagine thinking MRA actually exists and isn't 100% cringeworthy reactionary falsehoods

Okay, going through the articles I read the whole truth. Yeah, you guys are right. Fuck this band. I was looking into fabricated lies from the tillian defenders but now I just read the truth. Sorry about my misunderstanding. Tillian is a rapist. This is honestly awful.

Shit band name

I am no longer a fan.

Before arguing with people at length about it, you need to check out every bit of info you can get your hands on dude.

I apologize guys. I read the whole truth of what he has done.

bro

Yeah it’s awful. Also heartbreaking since i use to enjoy their albums. Damn.

just when you think this dumbass band couldn’t get any worse

Yes. I had to see both sides to one story and yeah Tillian is fucked up.

damn sharenge say it ain’t so lmao

dgd couldve gotten out of any further drama scot fuckin free with a new vocalist and instead drag the entire band down lol ok

terrible choice

RIP DGD. They're getting dragged on twitter, but IG is a circlejerk of love. The subreddit is surprisingly the most tame place discussions are taking place in. Here's to hoping the backlash gets Tilian back out of the band. His "statement" shows no growth at best. Really fucking sad, hope he gets some real help to understand the gravity of his actions.

cancelgavincancel
but really, how stupid. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a band shoot themselves in the foot like this before

bill Clinton returns to dgd

Legitimately surprised they went this route. Not like it’s hard for them to replace a singer.

a bad one at that

it is a bad time to mention that they made this announcement on the 5-year anni of jesse lacey being accused of SA

happy anniversary to Jesse!

Why didn't they replace him with Andrew, he has a good voice also and no rape accusations

Lmao snake. They made the move in the name of Pop Punk solidarity

Man, seeing him on stage is just going to be weird now. It's like that old friend that did a lot of bad shit in the past, and then does that awkward thing where they try to reconnect with everyone

Not only did they bring him back but so soon as well. It's the same problem they had with Jonny but I guess the line is hard drugs for them. Bonkers.

how Jonny doesn't hasn't copped a couple of sa cases is beyond me dude is a sleaze of epic proportions

"Why didn't they replace him with Andrew, he has a good voice also and no rape accusations"

I think Andrew didn't want to
Also seems for the most part ppl are happy about his return, I guess it is the worst fanbase.

Big yikes. And yeah Instagram comments are ridiculous just defending him left and right.

"how Jonny doesn't hasn't copped a couple of sa cases is beyond me dude is a sleaze of epic proportions"

Dudes done way worse than just sa. Tilian is bad but Jonny is just on another level entirely.

more like degenerate gutless dickheads or deny guys deny

Hates been building harder ever since ArSe for them musically, compound it with shit like this it's easy to stop giving a fuck about them.

now if you can all just admit how bad enter shikari is

"fuck the band and fuck tilian"

No! That's just what he wants!

shut up mimsy!

"fuck the band and fuck tilian"

No! That's just what he wants!

LOL

curious: what is the evidence of assault?

There goes any chance of DBM III with Jonny…

Boycott this band…Tilian ruined it for everyone

All I see is a tirade against sexual assault... which is perfectly understandable. But the dude denies claims of it, and the band accepted him back after rehab for alcohol. Everyone knows the media says whatever gathers clicks. I highly doubt DGD would allow sexual misconduct to stand. Boycotting the band is stupid. If you don't like them, don't listen to them. But don't jump to conclusions simply because a hot topic is involved

next week's article: Brand New announce reunion with first set of shows to begin January of 2023

nipplehair really bringing all the wit and eloquence of their namesake

I love the rare relative conformity in opinion here

they should tour with as i lay dying

This sucks. I love DGD, but I don't think I can support them anymore. Goddammit.

Based title
Can't believe they'd throw it all away for fucking Tilian. Like just hire another guy and give him some helium

god I love these kinda threads

Seriously, I was all for them bringing back Kurt. Happiness 2.0? Fucking hell.

Are we gonna have to put up with lyrics all about how he's a "Changed man" and everything now too? Or is he going to keep writing creepy, rapey lyrics? Either way, I doubt I'll hear them.

GODDAMMIT.

Well, at least I have Royal Coda and Eidola. And Secret Band. Goddammit, they might all be ruined for me.

*bouncer cringing*

Fuck Will and all his lame ass bands and his lame ass label full of lame ass bands. Dude might be the biggest coward out of all of them

Hey Storm, we should turn this thread into an NFL thread too. It proved more useful than talking about these turd stains.

When every single reasonable fan of this band turns their back on them they'll be left performing in front of creeps and people who radiate serious incel vibes. Good luck finding bands to tour with, lol.

Well, I'm very, very glad I got to see them on this last tour with Andrew fronting them and Royal Coda supporting them (so Kurt was there too). First and last time.

Hey, if you haven't noticed, I'm pretty pissed.

fuck outta here 69

Cool, found the SA apologist.

As if the DGD fandom are celebrating Tilian's return, wow. Talk about kick in the teeth to his victims.

Honestly just read the Twitter threads from Tilian and Dance Gavin Dance. The amount of sympathisers is genuinely disturbing.

If it was any average Joe, they'd be lynched. But because Tilian is a 'God' and has a higher pitched voice than most of their underage fangirls, ooo it's great to have him back, he's amazing

Honest to god – i dont care anymore if a member of a band commited several warcrimes in a country of Czechoslovakia, because i am fine with separating the art from an artist (or you can think that im edgy and le cool, couldnt care less), but this sucks.

Tilian's voice nosedived those previous two years and i hoped that the SA case would be a convenient way for the band to distance themselves from him, get a new vocalist and reinvent themselves a bit (afterburner was ass), but no. They drift back toward a sexual assault denier, back toward comfort.

This shit sucks from the musical side too, that's what im saying.

Kurt Travis>>>Tillian Pearson

"separate art from artist" needs to be removed from vernacular because it lets the dumbest people you've ever met completely deflect abuse

Post-sexual-assault-hardcore

awful news

Is there any proof of what Tillian did other than the accusation on that reddit post? No lawsuit filled?

Well the fact he owned up and apologised for what he's done is more than enough proof if you ask me

I'm probably looking at this from a second chance perspective, so I can try to accept it.

This is as disheartening as it is predictable. Saw this coming a mile away. There are enough rabid fans excusing his shit that they'll likely move through it without too much trouble which sucks. I am curious if other bands will refuse to tour with them, or if they'll get a pass from the industry as well.

Tilian has been a known shithead for years before any of this came out. Is what it is. Time to move on.

Toxic

"Completely deflect abuse" is a bit dishonest.
I wont sing praises to Tilian, wont say that Varg is a very sensitive man or defend
David DiSanto, but i still enjoy their music. My opinion on terminal redux havent changed when i read all that stuff about his domestic abuse case with wife, i still love that record to death, but if you feel uncomfortable listening to it – i have nothing against your decision to stop.

Between this and Jonny Craig's computer scam, this band seems eternally On One.

"Boycotting the band is stupid. If you don't like them, don't listen to them"

how is that ''yes means yes'' law enforceable by the way?

People will say some wild shit to each other about on sput about enjoying music from problematic artists and then be like “David Bowie Black Star Ahrd 5”

One again, this comment section is toxic as fuck.

Reading all the info, it sounds like two fucked up people got together and had a good time and clearly tilian thought everything was consensual, hell the girl seemed to to think so too. Why didn't she go straight to the police immediately after that encounter if she was so upset about it? If she said there were awkward points, and red flags, why didnt she just leave at that point? Would this encounter have even happened if they weren't both drunk? Clearly tilian doesnt understand boundaries but it seems to me that she's just as much in the wrong as she had the ability to walk away but chose to stay because it's a famous singer she was with.

^what a dumbass take

Can we ban anyone that comments like that

Sure, seeing such pathetic commentary devoid of any emotional intelligence on a very serious situation makes me question why I come here in the first place.

“fucked up people”
“and clearly tilian thought”

dude get the fuck out of here

I don't know how tf anyone can read the mouth text and think that Tilian did nothing wrong. Depraved people

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Why are people talking about this as if there was only one girl/allegation?

it was easy to just replace him and potentially start making good music again but they chose the worst route publicly and musically

My friend was heartbroken when the news about Tillian first broke. Wonder how he's gonna handle this bullshit.

Band should've gone like Lostprophets and just got out.

one is enough, asshat.

Already wasn't a big DGD fan but definitely done now.

absolute dog shit human beings

Hey c'mon guys. I'm not saying that Tilian wasn't in the wrong, I'm just saying the girl's kind of an idiot. She willingly put herself in that situation and continued with it despite her feelings and red flags. Typical Sputnik though to want to ban people based on comments they don't like.

pickle with the worst take i've maybe ever seen. way to be a rape apologist you fucking weirdo

Nice job being a rape apologist

done with this band

Considering Will Swan has eight other DGD-clone bands with no other good ideas and on the heels of two mid-to-mediocre records, why hold onto DGD? Why not get a new singer with some fresh ideas? Get Mike Patton to do a guest spot; it'll sell a zillion records.

"one is enough, asshat."
I didn't suggest that it wasn't??

I'm not a rape apologist lol Jesus you guys are sensitive. I'm not giving tilian a pass at all, I'm just saying the girl had the ability to prevent this from happening but chose not to. Again, typical sputnik for blowing things way out of proportion. Ban me if you want, I don't give a shit lol

Idk man if someone feels they’ve been violated enough that they feel the need to voice it id say something untoward happened. I don’t hear Tillian complaining about being violated by the girl lol

"I'm not a rape apologist" "I'm just saying the girl had the ability to prevent this from happening but chose not to."

That's called being a rape apologist.

Good on dgd welcoming back the worst thing that ever happened to dgd even after sa allegations haha

^ your take is garbo because bot singers like Tilian should know better than to hook up with female fans knowing there is a power imbalance in play. Dude got drunk and didn't respect her boundaries and used that imbalance to get what he wanted from her and yet is still allowed back in the band.

Wait what rock stars can’t even hook up with fans anymore citing “power imbalance”. I’m throwing in the towel boys no more practice for me. Agree with the second part though obv

What a hilarious thread. A whole bunch of people all several degrees removed from the situation without any idea what actually happened and entirely in lieu of any kind of concrete, definitive evidence proving innocence or guilt ready to wholly condemn or pardon a man. So much for skepticism.

Maybe it's just me, but drawing conclusions from incomplete information seems like a pretty fucking stupid thing to do.

"I'm not a rape apologist, I just blame victims when they're sexually assaulted"

Alondite with another ice cold take. how bout you just believe the victims story you asshole?

I agree alondite but outrage is fun. Let the people have their moment and virtue signaling etc. also I don’t have enough information to say there’s not enough information hahaha

the incel community on sput is alive and well

Yeah sure, let's all just blindly believe all allegations against everyone, that's a smart idea and absolutely nothing bad will come of it.

Innocent until proven irrefutably guilty. Period.

There isn't concrete evidence for the majority of sexual assaults that occur. But his response to the main allegation is damning to anyone with half a brain.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dancegavindance/comments/v3ov4b/an_open_apology_to_uspookypooky8/

"Maybe it's just me, but drawing conclusions from incomplete information seems like a pretty fucking stupid thing to do."

And yet he's already apologized stating "I understand my responsibility around consent as a man and am sorry that caused you to feel anything but respected and your boundaries honored."

and

"I wasn’t fully aware of your emotional connection to the band and how that might have impacted the dynamic."

His words, but you do you, buddy.

Yeesh ok officially take me off of alondite squad

No it's not, but it IS damning to anyone who falls victim to confirmation bias and has an issue with Tilian. There's no language in that statement that suggests that he didn't believe it was consensual, and you have to be writing in the margins for there to be any.

I'm not saying that he didn't do wrong, I'm saying that I cannot pass judgement because I cannot confirm absolutely whether he did or not.

Ridiculous statement alondite. If someone gets themselves into a situation where that have to release a statement that they need counseling due to sa allegations against them, I think you can pretty definiteively state they are a scumbag and should not be allowed back in a popular band

He was accused of committing unambiguous rape and he responds claiming it didn't happen but also at the same time he's sorry and doesn't want to "deny her truth".

Shit band of shit people who deserve nothing but shit

Shit band of shit people who deserve nothing but shit (2)

'Innocent until proven irrefutably guilty. Period.'

this isnt a court of law

I hate the approached of bringing him back, but did he get convicted yet? Idk because Ian Watkins definitely went to jail for all of the shit he has done.
Seriously, what happened? Were the police going to arrest, but then Tillian was like "Oh no, it's all good, I'm going to therapy" and then didn't do shit? I also saw that the rape victim didn't take action and just did a Reddit post. If Tillian was raping someone, then something should have been done. All of this does not make any sense.

Erm rape allegations are notoriously difficult to prove in court so if the victim feels there isn’t enough evidence to convict, it only makes sense to do Reddit post and leave it at that as opposed to going through even more bs for nothing

My s/o is trying to send her abuser to prison and I can vouch that it is nearly impossible to prove anything happened

My s/o is trying to send her abuser to prison and I can vouch that it is nearly impossible to prove anything happened

Enough evidence or not, he still admitted to it. Tillian should have turned himself in instead of blaming it all on drugs and Tim Ferrick's death

Just love it when shit people get exposed like they deserve. Sometimes there really is justice.

I agree that Tilian is a slimeball but coercion and rape are not the same thing. Coercion means she reluctantly agreed to have sex with him, rape means she didn't have a choice in the matter. I've never been a fan of this band so I don't care but the distinction is important.

^
Distinctions don’t matter when there’s outrage to be had.

I cant believe its Tillian out of all their lead singers to be the one to do them in, RIP bozos

Shit band of shit people who deserve nothing but shit [3]

Well atleast I can still listen to Royal Coda... oh wait...

Edit: how the fuck people still saying whats the evidence he admitted to it

"I understand my responsibility around consent as a man and am sorry that caused you to feel anything but respected and your boundaries honored," he wrote. "I appreciate the strength it probably took you to come forward with this account. I hold myself fully accountable for causing you this emotional pain. I will be entering an intensive therapy program to address this issue"

wtf bro

The wrong dude with T died.

@Nikkolae

Exactly. Between both of their details, it’s like, come on

This was always the plan. They're the most successful they've ever been with Tilian, and dgd loves to milk the $$$ from fans as much as possible. Half-assed "apology" posts just to look like he's not a complete monster. So yeah, fuck them they suck

Agreed. Smooth things and turn a blind eye or mitigate his actions enough to not cost them. He brings them more money than any individual fan, so he’s their priority. Fuck these shitheads indeed

Fuck it, might as well bring back Ian Watkins while we're at it

“The wrong dude with T died.”

I mean yeah but damn dude

Tillian literally pulled a Brock Turner lmao fuck this guy

Blows my mind how the linked reddit thread has better comments and conversation than the people here. I was curious about JC and saw he's still up to his shenanigans and sold out his 300 copies of his music he put on a flash drive and even got his own bobblehead. People will justify listening to people they like however they can and hope they're fixed or changed but it definitely doesn't happen over a few months and even then it's one of the hardest things you can do.

Somebody please write a single comment giving me an idea of the quality of this thread.

endless stream of turd plopping onto your plate

probably your cup of tea

Yeah that sounds like something I would enjoy. Too bad I can't add this to by goodreads collection.

"I'm not a rape apologist" "I'm just saying the girl had the ability to prevent this from happening but chose not to."

That's called being a rape apologist. [2]

Always astounded by the "I need proof" arguments as well. There typically isn't any. Also imagine being so willfully blind and ego centric you're willing to ignore POTENTIAL SA because you wanna believe a white male is cool and guilt free so you can listen to a band being mimicked 1000x times over with better alternatives. Even if he didn't realize it was unwanted (he prob did), dude doesn't deserve a platform after this. Simple as.

^ I agree with Nash. He refutes nothing either! She says he was on top of her and he acknowledged very little but admits to being there and have taken relations

@purple: yeah watkis is a monster on a league of its own

^ I’d rather Watkins put down

@Alondite what a dumb, useless argument to make when the dude admitted it and there is rarely any evidence in SA cases (how can you prove an act happened when rape kits are hard to come by and are backlogged for years in most states). So unless the woman comes out and says the exact words, "I lied," (statistically unlikely, still), I'd say believe the victim. If your sister or friend came to you saying "Hey this guy assaulted me," you would give the common decency to understand and respect the pain that individual experienced as the one assaulted. Would you question them to hell and back trying to poke holes and defend their abuser? No. So stfu.

@MyMentality
Comments like this show just how fuckin far gone people are on this dumb site. What Ian did was about as horrendous it gets, and tilians issue doesn't even come close. Hell, most of the snowflakes on this site probably believed Christine Blasey Ford too lol

my man pickle out here calling out false equivalencies by dishing out false equivalncies

Can't talk for all the snowflakes on this site but I sure believe women. It must be said though that I come from what most Americans would call a communist shithole, so take my opinion with a grain of salt

Someone took my comment seriously lol

Now we know which users are Sitarhero alts.

@Narlus call my argument dumb and then come back with that appeal to emotion and generally fallacious nonsense.

Get the fuck out of here with that middle school bullshit. But frankly I can't be arsed enough to care, so carry on however you will.

That’s not even argument

Buncha nonsense

> Why are people talking about this as if there was only one girl/allegation?

I actually wasn't aware there was more than one, though I'm not surprised. Guys in bands are often narcissists that have an insatiable appetite for attention. And sexual harassment/assault obv.

Also this thread is a disaster

Every news thread is a disaster

>they should tour with as i lay dying

LMAO

johnny bringing the best out of this site once again

half the site is having a real one i see

Tillian is a major scumbag, so I wouldn't be surprised if the band just consulted their business manager and ran through a bunch of financial models which all said that bringing Tillian back would be more profitable than booting him. Bands at the level of DGD fame operate as businesses first.

DGD stan mental gymnastics is almost impressive

hoo boy

This thread is better than food, because food doesn't taste better at every bite!

this is fucking weird. the contracty and litigation shit really rubs me the wrong way

Ive heard maybe 2 dgd songs and thats enough. Fuck this band for this choice. Its disgusting

yeah time to move on tbh... self titled was cool but im out, bro

Classic he said she said. Just pick a side, confirm your biases, and move on. DGD will be just fine. White knights seething over a band they didn’t even like in the first place.

says another blind fan with dgd 5s

Agreed I only like one Dave in my life and he goes by David

>I talked to my SO about this just to see what her opinion would be. I said "They met on a dating app, talked a while, went on a date... ended up doing oral and anal but the chick drew the line at sex.. Tillian continued to persist but asked each time rather than just going straight in". My SO said, "sounds like the chick has issues if she's willing to everything but sex... and she did consent so what's the issue?". I don't condone rape. I am not victim blaming. I simply think this is blown out of proportion and again, its keyboard warrior cancel culture at its finest. Sounds like a private ordeal that has been piece-mealed into something that it isn't. And this whole power dynamic bullshit is insane. "He won't talk to me ever again if I dont have sex with him". Okay? So was this chick trying to start a relationship? Sounds like a lack of communication and a woman scorned that decided to have a moment of clout that obviously went far further than she anticipated



Yeah dude, That's not what I got out of the situation. Either way pressuring someone into sex acts they're not comfortable with is still shitty and shows you feel like rules don't apply to you. At the very MINIMUM, Tillian is a narcissistic douche.

Lol, what do you guys think, do incels or simps scream louder in this thread?

money talks sadly. fuck this band

Anyone who unironically types "secks" while talking about (alleged) rape shouldn't be taken seriously as a person

Too much “secks”. Anyways…. Who wants to buy my DGD vinyl box set? The less DGD in my life the better.

????

yeah its not really surprising someone into shitty butt metal is a raging misogynist

not surprising, sadly. typically it's not just one or two with these kinds of guys. whole band are scumbags. Remember the rumblings that they kicked out a past bass player for calling Will Swan out for dating someone super young?

Putting the drama to the side.... This band sucks ass.

It's important to criticize the band for letting tillian back in but let's not forget to also criticize their frankly repulsive use of feerick's death to deflect scrutiny over it. "Everyone handles grief differently" yeah remind me again what stage pressuring tinder dates into sex is

Based dance gavin dance glad they can keep on dancing

nipplehair, the ultimate pick-me

Also, for anyone who has said "Shut the fuck up" or called anyone a DGD dick rider or a rape apologist... read this and realize, again, there are two sides to every story.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dancegavindance/comments/ysx5qe/clarification/


/thread

this nipplehair guy probs a rapist too

@nip shut the fuck up lol
After that shut the fuck up again my god

A rapist? Nah. I'm a neckbeard virgin who never touches grass. I'm just like all my fellow Sputnik users

“Neckbeard virgin who never touches grass.”
Is this confirmation of nip being a rapist?

Yes

Lovely thread peepee poopoo

@nipplehair
> https://www.reddit.com/r/dancegavindance/comments/ysx5qe/clarification/
This is primarily a response to one of the other allegations. Not u/spookypooky8u


His updated response to Spooky is more of the same:

" Now I'm going to change the subject to the second woman who talked about our sexual experiences on the Internet. In no way was my initial statement on June 2 to Spookypooky8 an admission of guilt or coercion. I was merely acknowledging her and the part I might have played in her feelings about our night together. In case my statement was not clear, at the time, I also understood that the addiction with which I was struggling had taken over my life, and I needed to go into treatment and therapy to look at the impact it was having on every aspect of my life.

Each of our sexual encounters were both verbally and physically, mutually consensual. We had sex more than once that night. There was never an element of physical threat or coercion, and there was constant communication back and forth between the two of us.

After we slept in my bed for a couple of hours, I took her back to her car. The night ended with her kissing me and telling me she had a good time and would like to see me again. "

i love it when people dont understand quotation marks

incredible amount of victim blaming in the thread. onus is on the perpetrator to NOT ASSAULT SOMEONE, not on the victim to go to police/authorities. unbelievable.

Good on Tilian for posting his clarification statement on the official DGD reddit/echo chamber where a good amount of people are celebrating his return and would happily support the band even if they sharted in their fans' mouth. I've been listening to DGD for 10 years and their early records mean the world to me. Everything past Mothership has been mid af and the fandom has become ultra cringe so much that I feel like I’m done with the band except for following this shit show and seeing how it all pans out.

won't feel bad about never having gotten into this band

For a second, I was wondering why those DGD lyrics were posted at the end.
But now I'm like... what the fuck else are the lyrics Polka Dot Dobbins supposed to mean?
"If you shower for me, you were born horny, and I don't like weeds
Make yourself into someone that breeds"
I'm really trying to find the metaphor in this one. I usually come up with multiple interpretations for lyrics that sometimes are so extra that it doesn't cross the average person's mind. So... what's the thing here?
And the band's really not gonna be self-aware enough to realize just how bad it looks to say "I'm proud that all us did it" after all this.
This is kind of the thing about SA allegations is that the intention of every bit output immediately comes into question. That's the point of someone being put into a state of emergency. It's literally the same exact thought process. It isn't extra, it's literally inevitable. They fucked up. Even if I chose to sympathize with them, I'd still say they fucked up.

Yeeeaaah, follow up on my previous comment now that I read through most of this thread:

Speaking purely factually, Tilian left the group because the group said they take his sexual assault allegations very seriously.

Once the line was blurred to being about sexual coercion (which is a crime), they took him back because he dealt with his substance abuse issues.

If you think this adds up to an honest encounter, I sincerely wish you luck in life, because you're going to need it.

One last note:
If you're having sex with a girl and you can't tell how she feels, you do need therapy. Like... after substance abuse therapy... before you can actually be safe enough to be reliably responsible in this environment. Responsible for morality, not just for handling your image as a front man.

wow the people on their reddit full send don't seem to care ha, cult mentality

Tillian could say he regularly rapes people and that he hated Tim and is glad he's dead and that reddit would still call him daddy, their fanbase is a disgusting embarrassment lol

reminds me of when I was in high school when Bring Me The Horizon was becoming / already was the big thing, and people were talking about Oli Sykes and how he had urinated on / assulted a female fan (who I also thought was underage but can't find a source on that). A female in my class said something to the degree of 'she's crazy, he can pee on me any day'. Just really disgusting how some people will look past the abhorrent behavior of a celebrity (could Tillian ever even claim that title?) just because they find the figure attractive and because that figure wrote some songs tHeY cAn ReLaTe To. 2008 and 2022 were definitely different social climates, but it's incredibly clear a lot of people today still don't take this issue as seriously as it needs to be taken

People don't realize that these acts aren't about the sexual gratification, but the power they have to just do whatever they want to someone. Oli pissing on someone is all well and fine if they are both consenting and into it, but it's the fact that he did it without them consenting is the fucked up part. Tbh, I'm surprised there hasn't been a bigger stink about him in particular, there's been whispers about him being an abuser for nearly his entire career

"People don't realize that these acts aren't about the sexual gratification, but the power they have to just do whatever they want to someone."

I mean it could be both, people are animals. But yes it is a gross display of power nonetheless


And yeah I'm surprised as well regarding Oli

"@nip shut the fuck up lol
After that shut the fuck up again my god"

Slex you've said the exact same thing to me! Wonderful articulation of frustrated emotionality.

Of the hills to die on, this shouldn't be one of them.

posting in epic thread

Lot of sociology majors itt

I take fatter shits than Tillian's dick

My hole's agapin' just for his tip

sach?

toasting in epic bread

hey what's going on in here

What's going on here is that I need daddy Slex to tell me again to "Shut the fuck up, and after that, shut the fuck up again"

sounds like they did a number on you m8

I'm really struggling here

Struggling to shut the fuck up yea

lol

I find it ironic that people can claim to abhor abusers and shitty people while simultaneously verbal abusing strangers on an open forum. I simply said, "I wasn't there.. I don't have all the information.. I'm not gonna drag someone through the mud over something that I'm several degrees removed from".. and still get called a rapist and told to shut the fuck up lol.

I suppose I'm expected to feel unwelcomed and shunned but mostly I just find it humorous that all these white knights are literally exactly what they claim to hate

welcome to sputnik

I'm not mad I'm laughing actually

@Sharenge I've been around. I've been checking up on Sputnik since 2005.. around the same time the Worthless board was still a thing. Idk how many people here are from Virginia but I'm sure they know what I mean if they are

Or I've yet to say anything you agree with which is fine.. I couldn't care less about appeasing you. You're entitled to feel and say whatever you like, Mr. Teacup

hhahahaha "mr teacup" fuck this comments section is actually more cursed than i thought it would be

"Mr. Teacup" was the turning point for your perception of this thread? Geez. This place must be full of safe spaces

made the whole thread worth it

I'm just waiting for Slex to tell me to shut the fuck up again. Maybe he finally gave it a rest

@nipplehair shit the hell up
No typo, shit now!

On today's episode of "Who is That Alt?"...

This shit show still going? Whether you think tillian is jesus and did no wrong or think he is a digusting person. Everyone should be able to agree that this a questionable choice for the band to make. Personally i think its disgusting behaviour from the band and Tillian.

It's not too late for the band to make the right decision, but yeah it is a weird and stupid idea

i just thought mr teacup was funny the second part of my comment was a nonsequitur. i think the people defending DGD here are fucked up

"It's not too late for the band to make the right decision, but yeah it is a weird and stupid idea"

I think for most who don't approve of this move its already too late. They took a step in the right direction then showed where they actually stand

Yeah it's way too late lol

Did he sing Uneasy Hearts? If he did I give him a pass. Song slaps

Pretty sure that song has multiple singers and pretty sure he contributed to none of it. He was in some other shitty scene band at the time

If he didn’t sing in it then he can go to hell then.

Only liked him in Tides of Man anyway

It's never too late Slex. Just apologize and we can be who we've always destined to become. The both of us, forever.

"I find it ironic that people can claim to abhor abusers and shitty people while simultaneously verbal abusing strangers on an open forum"

Cyberbullying exists obviously. But in this case, these things are not at all equivalent.

@Rolling. Oh I'm aware. I got lumped in with the rape apologists although all I said was.. there are two sides and worth reading before putting the band on full blast. I hate DGD and dont give two shits about Tilian regardless

Mostly I'm just tired of seeing this pattern of musicians being accused of this horrible shit on a monthly basis. If he actually did this shit, yeah.. fuck him. But there's also a plethora of spiteful people out there that throw accusations just for clout or because they didnt get their way. I had an ex that threatened to say I raped and abused her simply because I didnt want to be with her anymore. I never did anything like that to her.. she was just manipulative and spiteful. So I tend to lean towards wanting a full story before passing judgement on anyone. Even if someone is a shitty person, it doesnt immediately make them a rapist. That's my stance.

@nipplehair he admitted it
Also, I'll take the L, I just wanted the band to find a new singer

should I shave my nipple hairs?

You'd think after Jonny this band would learn a thing or two

yeah sir nipplehair, this is like the 20th reminder that with Tillian there isn't a question of whether or not he did it. He did it.