What the fuck man...

Any yeah this is super manipulative, a quick fire extinguishing before somebody else would've came foward with it, the whole "I made mistakes, but now I'm a different person" tone feels narcissistic woe me bullshit.

What the fuck, dude. Just, what the fuck. Nothing else I can say about this.

Oh

I didn't read "but now I'm a different person" anywhere. Kelly is taking accountability for his actions. Clearly he sees that he is/has been a total piece of shit, and is moving towards correcting that.

If youre really naive, you will believe that someone who just admitted to being an abuser and manipulator is trying to correct it because, well, they said they were!

As I've said in other threads This absolutely kills me. As someone who knows Scott this fucking kills. As a fan of all his music much longer it kills. He went dark a few years ago and seemed everyone was working on some kind of healing but now this...after his last post years ago along the similar lines. It's hard to accept when your heroes/friends fuck up and I fking love that guy but it really is important to fking remember among everyone fanboying he's not the victim here, despite his past and all the horrible shit he's had to deal with and he's telling people that. His family are the victims in this, who knows how bad it actually is or has been.. I did notice on that thread one guy said 'this comment section is fucked' and his son 'liked' it. . It's messed me up a bit tbh

yeah and you hold them to their word and check in with them down the line. but that is on Kelly and his family and none of our business.
you are so cynical that you don't think someone can get help and change?

Some of this admission reads like Patrick Bateman after an ayahuasca trip, too.

Whoa

this confession has meant nothing

Well it means that everyone fking knows , so it's something in that regard.

"you are so cynical that you don't think someone can get help and change?"

No, i just think a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted here.

I think anyone who admits they're a serial manipulator then you can't blame people for being skeptical tbh

Im sure this will be a productive thread

"this confession has meant nothing"

it should extinguish some speculation, especially regarding "who's to blame" and if the wife is lying. the guy himself explained that accusations against his (now ex?) wife were thrown already, blaming her or accusing her of lying

edit: from the post:

"As the truth has started to leak out there have been people who have tried to blame my wife for my abuse to give me an out and people who have spread ridiculous and damaging rumors about her. This is fucked. She deserves so much better. If you are adopting this mentality or spreading these rumors you need to fucking stop. I have some serious issues that I am dealing with and I have separated myself from anyone who is connected with my public life so that I can focus on my own toxic shit. When my wife has been kind enough to answer questions about my absence, she has faced crazy accusations."

edit 2: it seems they have not broken up, so i don't think they're exes as of writing this comment

boy that headline really buried the lede didn't it

anyway, Kelly's actions are horrifying and i deeply hope that his family/victims can find the healing they need and deserve. i was gonna say more but it doesn't really feel like the proper time for it

This is a shame. However, I hope his family find the convalescence they need.

"If youre really naive, you will believe that someone who just admitted to being an abuser and manipulator is trying to correct it because, well, they said they were!"

The fact that he's publicly taking responsibility without making excuses for himself already makes him better than the average abuser tbh.

Wasn’t expecting this type of article clicking on that headline

reading this it's like a 5D chess gaslight inception

what an awful situation but at least he is admitting I guess

dude doesn't look that physically imposing, his wife and kids could take him in a fight i reckon

arsehole

Plenty of abuse can be outside of physical, just read his confession ffs
Rather than saying ‘you talk I’ll beat the shit out you’ he’s threatened to kill himself which is emotional blackmail for someone that loves you and controls people through different kinds of fear. I’ve been in relationships with that kind of control and it’s messed up, you’re in constant fear when you’re not with them (which would be a lot for a touring musician) that if you’d said the wrong thing they’d off themself.

Well, this is just really fucking depressing all round.

Hope he's serious in sorting his shit out, and very much his family will be okay.

@Shemson: Absolutely true.

Interesting post. On one hand, the abuse sounds like classic narcissistic abuse but on the other hand, I don't think a narc would ever admit to this shit even for the purpose of manipulation.

I’ve just been sitting here starring into the abyss completely paralysed / temporarily unable to actually form a sentence.

Shocking news. Hopefully this kickstarts the road to recovery for everyone involved. Scepticism is definitely warranted here, I agree that the statement itself could be seen as manipulative, but it’s certainly not the most excuse-laden one I’ve ever read. He seems to be taking responsibility (and I hope that is the case).

"on the other hand, I don't think a narc would ever admit to this shit even for the purpose of manipulation."

Yeah, we're becoming well versed in public figures' "admission" statements, and no, this doesn't read to me as any typical narcissist muttering. He seems to have clearly specified what he's done and the effect it's had, and doesn't seem to be deflecting it to something else, whilst clearly stating that that his wife be left alone from public abuse because of a fan bias towards him as a musician.

That to me, is about as much as someone who is trying to genuinely do better, can do in that situation. Time will tell if it's actually sincere, but I'm just going by the statement alone... seems more legit.

If we really want to see some good in this, at least he told his fans not to go after his wife and children. As manipulative as it may be, I can see how this might have a good effect.
But yeah, he's a piece of shit.

Goodness, never would have guessed the guy was such a wreck behind the scenes, wishing all the best for his family and bandmates

The fact that he's taking responsibility for his actions, cutting ties with the scene that validated and enabled his abuse and is not trying to pawn off the blame on someone else at least makes him seem sincere. What he's done is credibly fucked up, but I think there's a chance he's genuinely trying to come away from this a better person. Hope for healing for his family.

Damn Isis, reading ‘Yeah, we're becoming well versed in public figures' "admission" statements’ is sad but so true

Holy fook

Anybody wanna help cheese-grater a Neurosis logo off my leg?

Good riddance, crazy fuck

If you want to get away with domestic abuse, being a rock star doesn't seem to shield you as much as being a cop or politician. Man chose the wrong field.

Useless, but thoughts to those affected by his actions.

"The fact that he's publicly taking accountability without making excuses for himself already makes him better than the average abuser tbh."

Nah, he may have put this out there to serve himself. Getting ahead of a story that was going to come out anyways, or a desperate attempt to keep his wife from leaving him. Its not necessarily a sign that he's trying to do the right thing.

The story has been public 6 years now, so I doubt that's the case.

Fuck me... This guy was one of my fav musicians. This world is so fucked up ...

And yet he admitted himself that he did all that shit to keep it from coming out. This is the first time i and a lot of other people have heard about it. Im only just now learning that there were rumors. That doesnt sound "public" to me.

Well this is fucking awful

"I am taking responsibility", says person who probably won't

The best thing a person do in this situation is permanently remove themselves from a position of influence so I don't get why people see this as further manipulation. Compare it to dgd where those scumbags are gonna let their abuser singer back in the band like nothing happened

The fact that he's taking responsibility for his actions, cutting ties with the scene that validated and enabled his abuse and is not trying to pawn off the blame on someone else at least makes him seem sincere'

He cut himself off years ago, Even some of his best friend's haven't spoken to him for years. You can only make contact through his wife hlwho deals with all contact to him and it's sounds like somewhere along the line someone has challenged that accused her of something nd that's why he's come out with this

. Im only just now learning that there were rumors. That doesnt sound "public" to me.'

He put a post out 5 years ago about the same thing, he was off his meds and there had been an incident that made him realise he could never be off them and that his family had been dealing with shit off him for years that he could never really repair but he was trying. He put it out EXACTLY the same as he did this. So it was just as public whether you heard it or not.

I'm starting to think there's no possibility where these apology statements are handled "correctly" because if the statement makes you look good then it fails as an apology.

Still, heartbreaking stuff and I wish the best for Kelly's family

yeah honestly of all the ways to handle abuse allegations this is one of if not the best written statement i've seen. trying to reiterate all of the bullshit you pulled no matter how awful is not easy to take accountability of. idk how apologizing in this situation would make this easier because the damage has already long been done, the best thing scott can do right now is separate himself from his family and bandmates and focus on living on the rest of his life in peace.

that being said i hope his family finds solace in their lives away from him as well

Today on 'Cancelled', it's everyone's favourire post-metaller, Scott Kelly!

Yeah don't know where people who are saying he's avoiding responsibility are coming from. Publicly stating "hey I did this, it was nobody's fault but mine, here are the actions I'm taking to unfuck myself" is the very definition of taking responsibility.

This is uhhh… a lot. It’s funny when you can’t tell if a “press release” is the accused trying to take accountability for their actions or just further manipulation

True which kind of speaks to how much abusive behavior irreparably fucks up any sense of trust that might have existed. Scott sounds sincere, but it's going to take a long-ass time to demonstrate to his family and the public that he's worthy of trust.

Good to see Kelly acknowledge his wrongs and move to be a better person

Scott is probably my favorite musician of all time so this really sucks. Watch any interview with him and he's always pretty honest about how fucked up he is. Guess it's even worse than he let on.

"He put a post out 5 years ago about the same thing, he was off his meds and there had been an incident that made him realise he could never be off them and that his family had been dealing with shit off him for years that he could never really repair but he was trying. He put it out EXACTLY the same as he did this. So it was just as public whether you heard it or not."

Thats even worse then, just shows that not shit has changed, and it makes me even more skeptical that he will.

"Today on 'Cancelled', it's everyone's favourire post-metaller, Scott Kelly!"

Yeah bro, crazy that people are upset that he turned out to be extremely manipulative and abusive. Cancel culture strikes again!

Brainworms.

Thats even worse then, just shows that not shit has changed, and it makes me even more skeptical that he will.'

He cut everyone out of his life but his family and his doctors and most definetly was working on it I dont even know if hes meaning this is still going on tbh the way i see it is someone has accused him Wife of some kind of controlling since any contact goes through his wife, I knew that from friends but he states as much in this 'My wife speaks for me in my absence' I think thats what has made him come out and say AGAIN that he is or has been guilty of abusing his family. Its not much different that what he said 5 years ago, only he nearly went on tour in 2018 again and pulled because of mental health and to concentrate on family after going of his heavy duty meds that he just cant be not taking. SO whether this has continued since then , I dont know but hes saying himself hes an absuer of his family and that cant be excused or refuted because youre a fan/freind/whatever. I get that.
As said above the fact his son liked that post about 'This comment section is fucked up' Speaks volumes too.

What a pos

Another fucked up thing is how many ppl dont seem to have seen that post from 5 years ago, it wasnt picked up by the metal media as this has SOLEY because this time hes said hes quitting music. When it was just 'Ive been tormenting my family' it caused less waves which is fking mental in itself

Not surprising i guess, the metal community isnt exactly known for giving a shit about abuse.

"As said above the fact his son liked that post about 'This comment section is fucked up' Speaks volumes too."

Im not sure what that means though, when i looked at the comment section there seemed to be a fairly even mix of people telling him to fuck off and people trying to suck his dick.

Productive thread

Yeah that was last night when it was largely 'You da man scott, we with you ' etc etc
There was only 2 negative posts in like 200 or so and the one guy that said it was fked up , Scotts son liked, obviously also thinking people acting like HE is the victim in it is pretty fucked up

today has been much more 'Fuck this guy'

I never defended Scott. His behavior is gross and inexcusable.

I hope his family will be ok.

Productive thread [2]

Genuinely stunned by this. He always came across as someone very troubled but genuine and even sensitive in interviews. Not to mention, a lot of people within that small scene seemed to speak highly of him. I just don’t even know what to say, just hope his family are ok.

as much as this can be perceived to be further manipulation, i don't think admitting it like this would be very beneficial to his image: admitting to being a master manipulator is planting the seed of doubt on everything he does, so overall it only has the effect of making you question everything he says and has said, undermining his power to control the narrative

Wow, just wow.
And his wife is still with him? After all he has done to her and their children?

It's hard to leave abusers especially after having dealt with it for a long period of time.

he's threatened to kill himself before so i imagine it's not easy for her to leave him

Jesus Christ fuck this guy, Neurosis's music has been and will continue to be important to me, but I have no sympathy for this twat

I hope his family never has to deal with him again

"Genuinely stunned by this. He always came across as someone very troubled but genuine and even sensitive in interviews. Not to mention, a lot of people within that small scene seemed to speak highly of him. I just don’t even know what to say, just hope his family are ok."

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I always thought Scott seemed like a really good dude. I looked up to Neurosis, and Scott's work in that band and his solo stuff even influenced my own music.

"For the past several years I have engaged in the emotional, financial, verbal and physical abuse of my wife and younger children."

I'm usually a separate art from artist type of person but its going to be hard for me to stomach it with neurosis for a while I think. the combination of the albums being a big part of my life over the years and then the feeling invoked by having young kids of my own versus how matter of factly this is written is pretty stomach turning

So this is how Neurosis ends. Brutal….so fucking disappointed in him. It’ll make listening to their music a bit different now, not sure if it’ll feel the same for me.

Personally speaking, I still can appreciate the music, but there's no damn way I'm buying any new Neurosis albums until I 100% know that Scott's not receiving a cent off of it

There won't be any new neurosis albums

The issue with his post is that it comes across like he’s trying to soften the blow this will have on his reputation. He spends most of it talking about how bad of a person he is and going into account the shit he pulled on his family, when this was already established with him admitting fault. The details would be unnecessary to give if his wife already explained them - all he needed to really do is say “my wife isn’t lying, I mistreated her and everything she says is true. Please don’t harass her or the children.” Someone else pointed out in the thread already how the only reason this is being spread around this time around is because he’s emphasizing the fact he’s quitting music now. The fact that he explained this already - and that I havnt even heard about that, makes me skeptical too.

Sad turn of events here, thoughts go out to his family

Piece Of Shit.

i dont get guys like this, wheres even the enjoyment in abusing your own motherfucking cocksucking kids.

surprised there's been no i'm gonna go throw on Through Silver in Blood rn support brother! comment yet

Pistol Pete nailed it with his comment.

that sucks i really respected this band a lot. with that said, this may be one of the more honest one of these things I've ever read. there's not much to read into with it, so idk why people are trying, he admits to all of it, knows he's a piece of shit. what is there to say about him?

"your own motherfucking cocksucking kids."

Lmao, poor choice of words.

everyone in here just desperately trying to feel better about themselves lmao

we should force him to live in a work camp for the rest of his life

been a neurosis fan for twenty years or so. this is fucked and i don’t care bow honest this statement reads. you cannot come back from this, make it better or make it right ever.

yes should've just kept doing it, cant come back from this anyway

Scott Kelly terrorizes his family is a better title

Why are we sugar coating this

Fuck this dude

"For the past several years I have engaged in the emotional, financial, verbal and physical abuse of my wife and younger children."

no point reading after this.

This is disgusting but contrary to what some other people are saying here I kind of appreciate that he’s just coming clean and admitting that it’s all true without making excuses. There’s no way to tell if this is in and of itself manipulative, but setting the record straight that his wife does speak the truth in his absence and putting to rest any speculation that she is in any way responsible for his abuse (*eyeroll*) sits a lot better with me than the legions of other abusive artists who try to twist the narrative to make themselves more sympathetic and to appear remorseful to try and salvage their careers or set up some softer justice for themselves in court.

“Yes, I absolutely am a total piece of shit” is what I got out of this.

The argument to that is that he's getting ahead of being 'outed' and 'controlling the narrative' which is fking nonesense as it was well known he's been having problems mentally for years now and even said he'd been a nightmare for his family quite a few years ago. The 'she speaks for me in my absence' is quite literally what she's been doing for the past few years. Even his good friends can only talk to Scott through his wife, that's how it has to be for him/her and more than likely someone has accused her of manipulating the situation or some other fking bullshit whes shes the victim!! and he's come out to say hey I'M THE PIECE OF SHIT and made it clear in no uncertain terms that he is/was a serial manipulator and his kids and wife have fuck all to answer, which is correct. I don't see this as narcissism or controlling anything. That doesn't fucking excuse him either, of course.

i think it's the sincerity that's "making him look good" (i.e. less awful), but that's inherent to sincerity, there's no other way to be open and honest

So Sanford parker just posted this...

Just a friendly reminder:
I barely use facebook so if you message me here I probably won't see it, please email me here: thesanford@gmail.com.
I only keep my account active as a promotional tool.
The only time I check facebook these days is when someone calls me and says "did you see the crazy shit homeboy just posted?!" which leads me to my next topic.

In response to Scott Kelly’s post I would like to make it crystal clear that during the active years of Corrections House and Mirrors for Psychic Warfare I had no idea the level of abuse Scott was inflicting onto his family. He always talked about his “mental illness” and things he did in the past he regretted, but nothing like this.

Over the last 12 plus years he and I have spent countless time together. I would be with him every second of every day for months at a time, often just the two of us and I have never seen this side of him. Not even close. It’s truly mind-blowing his level and power of manipulation he has on people.

In January of 2020 Scott cut off all contact with me for no reason. I tried repeatedly reaching out via text, emails and phone calls and nothing. I tried several times reaching out to his wife but was told everything was ok. Then in March of 2021 she sent me a lengthy detailed email about the abuse she and the kids had experienced and it was honestly the most disturbing thing I have ever read, it made me physically ill. I wish I could unsee it. By that point though the damage had been done and as far as I knew they were away from him and safe.

I poured my heart and soul into Corrections House and Mirrors for Psychic Warfare and now they are rotten. I will never have the same pride for those bands I once did and that truly hurts. This has been hard for me to process over the past year, but by this point in my life I am used to it and I move on.

I see a lot of people praising him for his honesty and that’s total bullshit, he deserves no praise. I have no sympathy for Scott and neither should you. I do have much love for his family and I really hope they are able to heal and move forward.

I have no sympathy for this person's actions whatsoever; this is so fucking disgusting. But on the other hand, at least he fucking takes the L and decided to fuck himself off completely instead of making a shitty apology/non apology or going silent. It's a nice change of scene, yk.

Thoughts and prayers to the family, jail sentencing for Scott, motherfucker. The best thing he can do is hand himself in. He is done

also can we stop victim blaming please god damnit

Idk after seeing the whole saetia thing I’ve become very cynical about these kind of responses, even if it’s better than the usual “I’m innocent and I’m looking to press charges” response. I hope he is able to be separated from his family for good and that everyone can find peace now.

which saetia thing? :0

The guitarist from saetia/off minor a while back admitted to putting down an ex of his verbally, and then he threw a meltdown the next day when he got shit for it and saetia decided to kick him off the reunion.

Woah, that was a chilling read. He's stepping out in front of it because it came crashing down. Any accusations that are brought up are not going to have the same impact because he will just say, "I already acknowledged my failures, what else do you want from me" Extreme manipulation. The whole thing reads like it came from a cool, collected sociopath. Also, im not a psychiatrist so I could be full of shit, but this just seems fucked

Really depressing that it's worse than he leads on, considering that his statement doesn't make him look good at all

I just read Deez post about what Sanford said and my stomach is turning over. I was just listening to neurosis on a binge this past week and Sanford makes it sound like the abuse was some real sick shit.

Yeah man, fk me I kinda hoped the 'psychical' abuse was the rantings of a manic depressive, on heavy meds for other shit and given the size of him maybe he's grabbed someone or thrown someone I dunno , something that wasn't as bad as what Sanford makes it out there. This is so fucked. I had such an awesome night with Sanford and Scott and one of the Neurot crew who's a good friend in London when there was a late change to the show (mirrors) and we had to try and let every fker know. Show was awesome we had a good fucking laugh after. I remember going home thinking what a good night. And here we are now after that statement. Fuck. I probably needed to see that.

Damn dude. I was listening to album after album and was like "fuck i hope they drop another one soon" and now here we are. I usually try to separate the art from the artist, but it's kinda hard to do here because it feels like more news is going to be coming out and im sensing its going to be some heavy shit.

I'm also wondering how long its going to take until someone asks the dudes in mastodon about this

Yeah same, I dunno I do tend to separate it but with knowing the guy and some of his friends and Having his voice musically be so fucking impactful for like 2 decades I don't really know how I could listen to it the same at this very moment and thats the other thing, The band, The crew, The label, everyone whos part of living is through Neurot and touring with these guys whove all been there for like 30 fucking years. How must they be feeling?

After re-reading the statement something kind of bothers me:

"My wife absolutely speaks for me in my absence and I have already said she is intensely honest."

Why does his wife speak for him? Why is she the one fielding questions about him? Why is she his only point of contact with the outside world? This seems extraordinarily weird.

Yeah him reiterating that she is intensely honest after admitting to abusing her sounds like "she knows i'll beat the fuck out of her if she gets too honest", but we could be reading too deeply into that. Maybe he just wants her to be the one with the voice since shes been a victim and hasnt been able to have a voice because of his controlling conduct. Truth is we will never really know.

It seemed to come from him fucking up last time, That was the final straw he cancelled tours , cut everyone off and needed to separate as he says 'His public life' from his 'real one' and that was the only way it would work. I assume she was still trying to help him at that point and maybe still is I dont know. I used to speak to him every few weeks and the silence but I barely know him, even old school friends had to speak to her first, I think this is where this has blown up someones excused HER of wrong doing when shes maybe the only one trying to help him even though she should have fucked him off ages ago

It's not just that though. He's a public figure, she isn't. If he wants to go underground and work on himself and his relationship then fair enough. But why has she taken over his public persona?

Or maybe I'm reading too much into it and it's more of a blanket "if you ask her something accept whatever she says" type statement rather than a, "she will now be my public representative" type declaration.

it wasnt that, He wasnt answering to anyone. Shed speak to his closest friends to let them he was ok and that was it apparently. I think the 'She speaks for me' is because someone has questioned that and said shes lying or some shit and hes just saying yeah, im a twat, im retired , what she says goes but I dont think any of its related to the public life and more the private.

Its fking grim either way , I mean maybe she still really wants to help him you know, I have an uncle whos been with an Alcoholic wife for 20 years and he stays with her purely because if he doesnt shell go off the rails badly. Maybe its that, they do have like 5 kids.Im so glad that if I fuck up theres no one Ill take down with me. I imagine the band will release something soon enough too, statement wise.

Yeah family definitely makes things more complicated.

"I used to speak to him every few weeks and the silence but I barely know him, even old school friends had to speak to her first, I think this is where this has blown up someones excused HER of wrong doing when shes maybe the only one trying to help him even though she should have fucked him off ages ago"

Thanks for the context, but it just still seems so weird because it's almost the exact opposite of classic sociopathic behaviour. For instance, a guy like Bill Cosby had a super well-manicured public persona because he worked so hard to conceal the POS he is. Charming, witty, seemingly totally well-adjusted etc. Kelly on the other hand seems like he clearly has/had visible problems and then disappear and cut off from family and friends with his wife speaking for him. I can kinda see why some people think he's the one being manipulated.

“ see a lot of people praising him for his honesty and that’s total bullshit, he deserves no praise. I have no sympathy for Scott and neither should you. I do have much love for his family and I really hope they are able to heal and move forward.”

“I have no sympathy for this person's actions whatsoever; this is so fucking disgusting. But on the other hand, at least he fucking takes the L and decided to fuck himself off completely instead of making a shitty apology/non apology or going silent. It's a nice change of scene, yk.

Thoughts and prayers to the family, jail sentencing for Scott, motherfucker. The best thing he can do is hand himself in. He is done

also can we stop victim blaming please god damnit“

This is kinda how I feel too. Saying that him just saying “yeah I’m a monster” is better than him trying to save his rep and playing the game to get out harsher consequences in no way means “I admire him for admitting that he’s a piece of shit”! It just means I’m glad to see him accept that he’s a piece of shit and admit to exactly what he did so that he can get exactly what he deserves, and nothing less

"Shes speak to his closest friends to let them he was ok and that was it apparently. I think the 'She speaks for me; is because someone has questioned that and said shes lying or some shit and hes just saying yeah, im a twat, im retired , what she says goes but I dont think any of its related to the public life and more the private."

Ahh ok fair enough. This makes more sense.

This didn’t seem manipulative at all, not sure what some of you are talking about. He’s a massive piece of shit to his loved ones and he put it all out there in the open and didn’t mince words. Good for him. Hope he can make the changes necessary and make amends in his broken relationships.

Should probably read up and read Sanford post, ghost

I’m not covering for him. I don’t know details of behavior, I’m just saying the way his statement reads he seems pretty honest about him being a massive piece of shit. Didn’t seem he was downplaying things or acting as a victim. What we do know is he says he intends to take his behavior seriously and he’s giving up his livelihood to work on it. Hope the best for their family.

jail

When that peice of shit from daughters got outted I joked to my friend when we were talking about how many scumbags in the scene there are in bands and shit
'Please dont let it be Scott'

I feel upset because I don't understand why people do this I just don't understand and its making me sick I can't fall asleep

whenever i accidently hurt something/someone i am washed with guilt and shame and embarrassment. couldn't imagine feeling so intensely about something as to succumb to a violent response, also couldn't imagine being the receiver of said violence. Jail.

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yeah seriously sounds like it should be jail

think the 2nd should be up to his wife tbh but admission to abuse should be guaranteed jailtime. dude can get therapy in there : )

The part about pretending to be crazy to justify his abusive behaviour really gets me

fr man what does that even mean? are u mentally deranged thus u beat ur wife and kid(s), or are u mentally deranged because u beat ur wife and kid(s)?

where on the crazy spectrum does family abuser fall i'm curious

sry for beating u and the kids up babe i'm crazy and seeing things i didn't know what i was doing. also if u leave me i'm gonna kill myself

"Im only just now learning that there were rumors. That doesnt sound "public" to me."

Nah, bro. I get some people don't know about it but Scott made it public in 2017. He spoke about his sociopathic behaviors and mental illness. Ever since then is where the rumors started spreading where some retards started blaming his wife and making up shit about her apparently. So he addressed the situation again with this post. Difference is he is basically cancelling himself now in 2022. Dude is totally fckd in the head.

crazy to justify his abusive behaviour really gets me'

Yeah like this also doesnt stand up cos I dont wanna say to much but hes literally medication away from being crazy and thats not a lie and hasn't been for many years.
So hes bordeline crazy but also made up being crazy to look more crazy, Its even more fked

RIP scott kelly

"think the 2nd should be up to his wife tbh but admission to abuse should be guaranteed jailtime. dude can get therapy in there : )"


I don't defend Scott at all but I feel like jail would make his mental problems infinitely worse

The big difference between that Facebook post and this one is that the emphasis is being off his meds (which, based on the amount of lies he’s told, I don’t even know whether to believe), with the abuse being relegated to almost a consequence of his own suffering, hence the silly “sending love” replies scattered everywhere. The fact that he lied about being ‘crazy’ to the doctors, who clearly quickly saw through, makes me question the entirety of that 2017 FB post, because based on this current admission, he seemed very aware of what he was doing and why. It comes across as very sociopathic.

One thing I am a bit confused about, though, is where people are sending these accusations about his wife? As far as I’m aware, he doesn’t use any social media really.

Ill pick the low hanging fruit.

Sounds like he's got.... Neurosis

A STATEMENT FROM NEUROSIS
We cannot overstate the level of disgust and disappointment we feel for a man who we once called Brother.
As a band, we parted ways with Scott Kelly at the end of 2019 after learning about severe acts of abuse he committed towards his family over the previous years. In the past, Scott had disclosed his marital difficulties and acts of verbal abuse, as well as his intention to get help and change his behaviors. The information we learned in 2019 made it clear Scott had crossed a line and there was no way back. We did not share this information out of respect for his wife’s direct request for privacy, and to honor the family’s wish not to let their experience become gossip in a music magazine. With Scott’s Facebook post of August 27, 2022 disclosing much of this information publicly, we can finally say what we believe needs to be said.
For the last twenty years we have lived far apart from one another and only saw Scott when meeting up to work on music or play shows. We had no idea what the reality was for his family when we were not around. By Scott's own admission, his abuse was intentional, targeted, and a closely guarded secret - even from those of us closest to him.
Once we learned of his abuse it was difficult to reconcile the horrible information with the person we thought we knew. It’s not surprising he hid the abuse for so long because it is a betrayal of our ethics as bandmates, partners, parents, and human beings.
Since 2019, we have made numerous attempts to contact Scott. We wanted to have an honest talk about the status of the band and find out how he and his family were doing, but he has refused to speak with us for three years. And, in what we now see clearly to be a pattern, Scott refused to take responsibility for his actions. Having been through so much with someone for more than 35 years, one would expect some amount of closure, or at the very least a response.

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Now, without returning any of the calls, texts, or e-mails of his bandmates and friends, Scott has made a public post about the situation. To us, this decision seems like another attempt at manipulation, another opportunity for his narcissism to control the narrative. Don't allow Scott to make this about himself, it's about the abuse his family has suffered.
Usually, we would view public openness and honesty about mental illness as brave and even productive. We just don’t believe that is the case here.
There is nothing brave about systematically abusing your wife and children.
There is nothing brave about confessing wrongdoing when you have not done the work to change your behavior.
There is nothing brave about refusing to speak honestly, or speak at all, with one’s closest friends and bandmates, people who have supported you and stuck by you for most of your life.
Compared to the impact of Scott’s actions on his family, the impact on our band pales in significance. Nevertheless, with the heartbreak and horror we also grieve for the loss of our life’s work and a legacy that was sacred to us.
Again, our primary concern is for the safety and well-being of Scott’s wife and children, as well as anyone else in a similar situation. If someone you know is experiencing domestic violence or abuse, please reach out to one of the many local or national resources available. One national resource is:
National Domestic Violence Hotline 1-800-799-7233 www.thehotline.org
If you or someone you know is suffering from mental health issues that could make you a danger to yourself or others, please get help before you hurt yourself or the people you love. One resource for that is:
www.988lifeline.org
This is the only statement we plan to make about this issue. In due course, when it's appropriate, we will provide more information about our future musical endeavors, but that time is not now.

Wow, a damning communication from his band mates there.
Good for them for explaining their disappointment at their life’s work being ruined in one line but spending much more time focusing on the issues at hand.

Looking back on Kelly’s statement it is baffling to be like “I abused my wife but I still love her very much”.

As a long time fan of the band, I feel angry at even the prospect of putting on one of their records again, so I can’t imagine what it feels like for Steve, Dave and Noah to not only have your whole life’s work flushed down the toilet, but also be utterly betrayed by someone you thought you knew.

Just when you think that an agent in the music business can’t go any lower, you've got another thing coming…

Bandmembers said it better than I could've.

The band saying that statement was another attempt at manipulation is great. Quickly shot his bullshit down.

Now that he’s admitted this publicly, can this guy get put in jail even if wife doesn’t want him to be charged? I worry in situations like this that the victims are too afraid or too weary to press charges

Child Protective Services could certainly take the kids away.

Feel so bad for the Neurosis guys, cant imagine how id feel if someone i had shared the labor of music with turned out to be like this. Scott should really just fuck off and leave his family alone if he really cares about them.

“Now that he’s admitted this publicly, can this guy get put in jail even if wife doesn’t want him to be charged? I worry in situations like this that the victims are too afraid or too weary to press charges”

Whatever punishment should be decided by the family first and foremost. If they think he should be jailed then so be it, if not you should still respect their decision

Well this was a disturbing read.

Fuck him btw, hope his family gets help and can get through this.

scum of the earth

I don’t agree that the decision should be left up to the family, in the same way that I don’t think it should be decided by them if a family member committed crimes on a stranger. First and foremost, the safety of the children should be taken in to account and therefore social services should be involved. It’s pretty clear that the band still think he’s being manipulative.

My point is you’re not in this situation so u can’t really decide shit

Scott Kelly, Marilyn Manson and Michelle Branch should form a band

They could be called 'the Winners'

I didn’t listen to it so it didn’t come to mind but didn’t this guy just release an album with Igor Cavalera earlier this year? Doing that while going dark on his old band mates that knew about his behavior definitely reinforces what they’re saying about this being nothing more than another manipulation tactic

I see a lot of people commenting about how "he seems honest"

He wouldn't have been able to go on as long as he did with the abuse if he wasn't able to appear honest when he needs to. This definitely comes off like it could be him trying to keep whatever sympathy he can as he watches the ship go down around him and the statements from the band and others only make that impression seem all the more likely...

“Anyway, I don't see why Neurosis couldn't continue without him. It's not like he had some super unique voice or playing style that would be hard to replace.”

Why on earth would they want to carry on the mantle of a band headlined by someone like this? I think it’s pretty clearly tainted for all involved.

Neurosis started with Kelly and he voices a majority of the songs, wrote a majority, etc. The band knows what this means to them and they’re going to continue on other projects.

I think at the end of the day with someone like this no matter how they address it, it will come off as manipulative, and probably is. There’s no “satisfactory” way to acknowledge that you are an abusive manipulative monster, because there is no trust. Going radio silent on his friends instead of facing it is indeed cowardly. Everything about it is cowardly. But I still want to see these people just straight up admit it, so that justice can be served.

“Will they really want to start over after multiple decade of creating brand recognition?”

Yes

At this point is pretty obvious Scott has alienated everyone around him and has isolated himself. He belongs either in prison (that's up to his family, though) or at least in a psychiatric center. The guy isn't well in the head.

For Neurosis it's virtually impossible to continue because his vocals, lyrics and riffs are essential to the band's sound.

the fuckin worst cuz these guys put in so much work into the band and the brand

30 years into the shitter

Yeah it's frustrating to see such a beloved band go like this. They didn't deserve it.

'I see a lot of people commenting about how "he seems honest"'

TBF, all of this, to most of us is entirely new information. Just over 24 hours ago, I had the general impression that Scott Kelly was fundamentally an okay person based on his general rep. I wasn't aware of any 2017 statements, but it does exist, but not actively following the everyday movements of every semi-famous person whose work I enjoy, it completely passed me by. The only thing I wondered in his regard in the past year, was why he was conspicuously absent as a guest on Mastodon's last record, but that was something that came and went. Obviously, that's clear now.

And yes, Neurosis are finished.

dude my wife’s got a times of grace tattoo cuz of my dumbass and she’s gonna freak when she finds out about this. we’ve done work for DV victims in the past so this is terrible

Woof

"dude my wife’s got a times of grace tattoo cuz of my dumbass and she’s gonna freak when she finds out about this. we’ve done work for DV victims in the past so this is terrible"

@Relinquished: It doesn't diminish any good work you and your wife have done.

I think it blanket terms though, it's probably best not to get any band-related tattoos because no matter who they are, and how virtuous they may seem, there always seems to be a chance that at least one of their number could be a yet-to-be-revealed piece of shit.

That’s not really the point

Just tell your wife that you are crazy and the voices told... wait a minute

Willie, it’s like you’re trying to be wilfully ignorant with every post, whether it’s failing to understand why the core member of the band being absent and an abuser would lead to the band being finished, or why someone who has worked with DV survivors wouldn’t want that tattoo on them. For fuck’s sake, try and engage your brain.

I didn’t want to make it about me but it was a kneejerk reaction from years of being a dedicated fan, like holy shit I don’t regret it but so many miles and money spent to follow them around. Our work is our work but I had her put something permanent only for it to be likely lasered out now cuz she wouldn’t want that bittersweet connection inked knowing what Kelly’s done.

Her decision will be easy, idk if I’m taking mine off yet but I’m considering it

god forbid meshuggah’s next then Imma have to buy my own laser machine

"Just tell your wife that you are crazy and the voices told... wait a minute"

Lol, bruh

It’s more like we wouldn’t be able to reconcile the love of the band and Kelly with the work we’ve helped with survivors KNOWING what happened to Kelly’s family. Yea most people wouldn’t get the reference of the tattoo but we do and that’s what we’d live with. Wouldn’t want my kids googling it out for sure. Not as fuckin extreme but I wouldn’t have gotten a Chris Benoit tattoo ya feel me.

also probably didn’t word it right but I’m considering NOT keeping my tattoos. Letting the dust from the shock settle first.

First I thought "is he really being manipulative?"

Then I read the Neurosis clarifications. Scott is a piece of shit.

This sucks. Yes because this taints the image of a band (mostly just Scott) I consider on another level and working in a space entirely their own, but mostly for his wife and family. Hopefully moving forward the situation only improves

Honestly I think it would be cool to see neurosis continue with no vocalist or occasional guest vocalists, of all the metal bands out there I feel they could handle a transition to being all-instrumental better than most. That said, totally understandable if they want to hang it up after this

Man, that statement was gross to read. Don't know how I feel about it being posted for the entire public... seems a mixture of TMI and sullying the entire reputation of a band that's more than just one member.

Not a fan of the band so I don't know the overall history and nuances, just my two cents.

When are you gonna get an anathema tattoo willie

holy shit what a psycho

"I'm seeing a bunch of middle aged dudes that are suddenly looking at the end of their livelihood that had nothing to do with it. I understand why the band would quit for the reasons you've mentioned and I'd also understand if they had decided to press forward without him for the reasons I've mentioned."

It'd be next to impossible to continue under the Neurosis brand--he's at the fundamental core of what they are as a band, and is understandably, the reason why people with band tattoos are considering getting them lasered off; the brand is irrevocably tainted. It's not the other members' fault, but that is the case.

If they continue working together, it'd most likely be under a new moniker--similar to the distance the remaining members of Gaza put between themselves and their problematic former singer, when they reformatted themselves to Cult Leader, amongst other examples.

Moral of the story: listen to Amenra (?)

Yeah I mean I listen to DSO even though there singers a fash piece of shit but he isn't singing about being a fash price of shit
Can I really sing along and enjoy Scott's emotional lyrics about pain and hurt knowing what he's done? Can I fuck.
Man we met over a conversation about his wife, every time I saw him we chat about her and similtaniously a brain disorder I had which had fucked my sight up, all the time he was abusing her until the last few when he just stopped talking to everytime

Based on the band's response it sounds like they all have other artistic and professional pursuits and will still be able to put food on the table without Neurosis, so hopefully they'll be able to sit back and regroup, and only move forward with any music if they feel comfortable and confident doing so.

Also the band and Sanford Parker's statements definitely do not paint a reassuring picture here, such a dick move to just go dead air on your closest collaborators and then say that "the scene has no accountability"

somebody add Neurosis' statement to the article, because it's important context.

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/neurosis-post-statement-on-scott-kelly-revealing-they-parted-ways-with-him-in-2019/

“Honestly I think it would be cool to see neurosis continue with no vocalist or occasional guest vocalists, of all the metal bands out there I feel they could handle a transition to being all-instrumental better than most. That said, totally understandable if they want to hang it up after this”

I mean it doesn’t even have to be instrumental considering Von Till and Edwardson also did vocals for the band, but yeah I totally get why they would stop being a band after this. Also they’ve been a band for decades, I can’t imagine there’s much they’d want to do with Neurosis at this point

“Or I'm looking at the bigger picture and not hyper-focusing on one element.“

Nah, you’re making daft comments about a band you clearly know nothing about. Why would a band decide not to continue when their main songwriter, main vocalist, main riff writer and generally main member is no longer there, and added to that, the project is completely tainted through his actions?! I’m just asking questions, folks!

They cannot go on with the band. Simple. Scumbag or not, Scott was INTEGRAL to Neurosis in sound/writing/presence. Its done.


Love you wolfe, I know youre feeling this as bad as me homes

Plus, they have been going for decades now. Steve is an elementary teacher; it’s not as if Neurosis was his livelihood. Noah and Dave have played in plenty of other projects, too. For all intents and purposes, the band has been dead since around 2018; there’s nothing to salvage here, and more to the point, they don’t want to salvage it either.

@yowi true lol mostly just wishful thinking on my part since Kelly's vocals have honestly always been the main thing holding the band back in my eyes

Yeah to me the statement seemed genuine but if people who know him personally think it isn't then I'm inclined to believe their read is better-founded than mine

Really cannot get over this motherfucker saying that no one around him held him accountable when his band literally did exactly that as soon as they found out what was going on and his response to it was to run and hide from them. Cowardly.

@willie
Comparing fucking Neurosis a hardcore punk band that grew up through the 80s scene one of the tightest knit band of brothers you could wish for in a band for nearly 4 decade your comparing to Queensrhyche?? Theyre not a rock band. The live in a different arena, So theyll just get someone else singing Scotts lyrics night to night live , you know the serial abusers lyrics he wrote about being down and sad and shit, yeah that just works great doesnt it??

'Despite the tainted name, it doesn't sound like breaking up was the first thing on their mind... Not until he went public with all the bullshit'

That was nearly 4 years ago! At that point he was still doing sporadic touring with Mastodon and the likes. There is a TON of shit that has happened since then, There might have been a time they could have tried to move on without Scott. Theres no chance now. People need to just accept it. I and many others gotta accept it after 20 years of them being my favourite band, that maybe it wont be the same. Ive gotta accept I guy I know and my frineds have knows for 25 years and held in the highest of regard is a serial fucking abuser but weve gotta accept whats happening and the band will too. Neurosis is done. Yes I read the statement theres been nothing other on my mind since this landed as Im also someone scott stopped talking too at the same time, but no one had a fking clue what was going on. It fking hurt and what happens to the band is of the least importance anyway right now.

Any narcissistic abuser can write a post and seem genuine but these types of people rarely change. Especially if Scott has been doing it for years. I genuinely feel bad for his family still because he says he's "trying to rebuild his family relationship", the likely outcome is he's just gonna abuse them again if they take him back.

“Despite the tainted name, it doesn't sound like breaking up was the first thing on their mind... Not until he went public with all the bullshit. Did you read their statement? ”

Again Willie, just totally clueless about their situation over the last 5 years. You only have to have followed their official Instagram account to see that there was complete silence about Neurosis; it has effectively been run by the other members, to promote the many projects they’ve been involved in. You do realise that they all work jobs, right? They barely toured with Neurosis, it was never even close to being a substantial earner for them. Comparing their situation to Queensryche? Laughable.

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I mentioned it a few times in here already. Sorry Im venting a bit because im fucking angry, we Were not 'Boyz' or super close or anything but he was someone i did class as a friend weve hung out a bunch of times, been backstage many times with him, eaten together, hed always sort me Guestlist, id talk to him a few times a month maybe, Weird thing is we bonded initailly over his wife having a rare virus that fucked her up as I got a rare Neurological disorder too which fucked mine up. He ALWAYS ask about my eyes first and id as about his Mrs and all the time he was probably abusing her. its confusing and betraying but it smore so for my friends who are REAL close to him and have been for decades. Their families are close etc etc Its weirdly still hard to see him getting so much abuse (although thoroughly deserving). Yeah..its confusing emotionally

I was on the fence about whether this was an honest admission or a tactic to beat the rap until I read the band's reply.

"Now, without returning any of the calls, texts, or e-mails of his bandmates and friends, Scott has made a public post about the situation. To us, this decision seems like another attempt at manipulation, another opportunity for his narcissism to control the narrative. Don't allow Scott to make this about himself, it's about the abuse his family has suffered.

Usually, we would view public openness and honesty about mental illness as brave and even productive. We just don’t believe that is the case here.

There is nothing brave about systematically abusing your wife and children.

There is nothing brave about confessing wrongdoing when you have not done the work to change your behavior.

There is nothing brave about refusing to speak honestly, or speak at all, with one’s closest friends and bandmates, people who have supported you and stuck by you for most of your life."

"Now, without returning any of the calls, texts, or e-mails of his bandmates and friends, Scott has made a public post about the situation. To us, this decision seems like another attempt at manipulation, another opportunity for his narcissism to control the narrative. Don't allow Scott to make this about himself, it's about the abuse his family has suffered."

Lol some of us (myself included) were actually dumb enough to think there's ever any other type of deal with a narcissist. I have never met any people on this planet that are more irredeemable pieces of shit than these people. Steer well clear as soon as you encounter one as you will only end up in tears.

ay now cmon 🥲

Sounds like the guy needs to spend some time in jail honestly. You admit to physical abuse of your wife and child and all that happens is you get to go "work on yourself"? It's complete bullshit honestly.

this thread really went the way of “if you know somebody narcissistic tell everyone you know to alienate them because that is absolutely the only way people will stop getting hurt” good job guys

haven't read the whole thread but i gotta say, i do wish they would continue the project out of spite and in defiance of his legacy and image

he admitted to this 3 years ago? then completely shut himself off from the world and isolated his family?? bruh

@sevengill yeah the bands full statement adds a lot of context and makes any good intention implied by Scotts statement sound extra bullshit

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Lol fuk, KILL

Another fucked up aspect of this is that, after completely shutting out the other band members of Neurosis, he then decided to do a record with Igor and Colin in the form of Absent In Body, which is now instantly poisoned for them and there’s a good chance he knew he was going to release a statement like this not long after it was wrapped up. Just complete betrayal. That mini Vice documentary on Amenra, which shows how much family and community means to them (you also see Scott Kelly in one part), makes it even more soul crushing for them considering what he’s done.

Nah man they're old recordings also, Scott had minimal output on that record too, they also haven't spoke in years. As I said before Neurosis even put that statement out he cut EVERYONE out and it was assumed this was how he got better. Away from public life and concentrate on working with his family, he didn't isolate his family they were working with him, initially.

I’m no expert, but it seems like that collab took place after the original statement which you’d think those working in the metal scene would’ve known so I’m not sure Igor and Colin can be too surprised.

Sorry - clearly the I’m no expert part was correct - Deez knows more than I so I retract that, they can be appalled too

Thanks for the correction. I’m pretty sure you see Scott in some of the videos they put up prior to its release, though I could be wrong or it might be old footage. Colin calls Scott ‘boss’, affectionately, in that mini doc. What a mess.

The tattoo thing is sad too man, people who felt that kind of connection needing to laser it off.
There was a dude in my local music scene who copied Ian Watkins gun tattoos, bad times. I’ve always wanted to get a sleeve of my favourite album artwork but this is precisely why I didn’t.

pretty sure that absent in body stuff was recorded a few years ago

edit: got ninja’d

"The tattoo thing is sad too man, people who felt that kind of connection needing to laser it off.
There was a dude in my local music scene who copied Ian Watkins gun tattoos, bad times. I’ve always wanted to get a sleeve of my favourite album artwork but this is precisely why I didn’t."

*me nervously hoping that Opeth don't have any skeletons in the closet*

Yeah was just before Scott went dark, It won't effect AIB so much going forward

The lasering isn’t a big deal but HAD I KNOWN IT WOULDVE HAPPENED TO NEUROSIS I would’ve saved myself the trouble

My entire leg is a giant Meshuggah tattoo so, uh, fingers crossed for those guys

No other band tattoos, everything else is just horror shit thank God

"No other band tattoos, everything else is just horror shit thank God"

sorry to break it to you but some of those horror guys killed people

Writing a call out out post on Jason vorhees for his toxic violence and for being a mamas boy

"this thread really went the way of “if you know somebody narcissistic tell everyone you know to alienate them because that is absolutely the only way people will stop getting hurt” good job guys"

Yes. Cut them off but I don't even think telling anyone will help aanything at all. You can't save everyone. You'll just drown yourself trying to.

The lasering isn’t a big deal but HAD I KNOWN IT WOULDVE HAPPENED TO NEUROSIS I would’ve saved myself the trouble'

Woulda saved myself a fortune on discogs too

If he was that easy to spot as a narcissist people would have distanced themselves years ago.
He always came across as the most humbe,sweet, down to earth guy you could meet. Would always be asking about you , your life and how you wear. Its not always so obvious.

Yep.

This has genuinely depressed me. Knowing about the hurt he’s caused those people and also for the selfish reason of feeling like the 20+ year ‘connection’ I had with this band was built on a lie. I first started listening to them in 2000 and if anyone were to ask me up until yesterday who my favourite band were, it was always an easy answer. I can’t even imagine listening to their records now, especially because there was a personal element to the lyrics and way the vocals were delivered that is now forever tainted. They weren’t just background vocals like so often is the case in that genre, they were soulful and felt genuine to me. Well, that’s no longer the case.

Word. Shit fking hurts

Also Absent in body shared in connection to Scotts post just "The half rising man" which is probably just a sly way of them saying "dickhead" while keeping the bands mysterious voidy image. Cant imagine anyone in Absent in Body will keep him around

There will be a statement coming from them

Not now next few days, theyve had just as minimal contact with scott as neurosis

Oh cool, I would highly doubt Collin would be supportive of Kelly considering how close he values family and community and everyone else in Absent in Body as well.

It's going to be awhile before I'm able to listen to these guys, or the Mastodon tracks that have his vocal features. Mental illness or not, the guy is a complete scumbag to put it kindly, and I hope that his family is able to eventually recover and put this as far behind them as possible. I can't imagine how shitty this is for them with the battle playing out in public.

(it's worth pointing out that we don't even know what mental illnesses he might have, as he admitted to faking symptoms to avoid responsibility and to further manipulate)

Hes been on heavy duty meds for a while lets say, had had problems after banging his head i believe really fucking badly years ago, then his wife died, there was some shit with his parents ,addiction problems, The his wife got hit with that fucking mad Virus which fucked her nervous system up and they moved out of there home into like a caravan park and then that burnt down in the wildfires and a bunch of personal shit I wont alude to hear most of that shit is kinda known ( i think) Its no suprise he was on meds but sounds like then he also faked another metal breakdown/issue also. So....theres that. No excuse for being a fucking abuser, mind but explains why hes a fking mess

"He always came across as the most humbe,sweet, down to earth guy you could meet. Would always be asking about you , your life and how you wear. Its not always so obvious."

typical narc tbh. my dad is a raging sociopath and outwardly this is how he (used) to appear, now his trick is to turn himself into the victim even though he is and has been the main perpetrator of violence. they're just professional manipulators to the point where their pathological lies become truths and realities in their head

Yeah I get that but if everyone whos ever being fucking nice to you, you should think theyre a narcissist, then you may aswell stop meeting people
Only in hindsight can you say that ' Ok that was typical behavior'

Fuck my Mums nice, asks about me,Cool
My friends (some anyway)
They are narcisssists??

yeah it's definitely hindsight, HOWEVER if he was outed 5(?) years ago and nothing happened i think that's a huge problem

Oh no doubt, i think 4 years ago he admitted to 'making his familys life hell' or something like that 'Irreparable damage' but WAS trying to work through that with his family, Sees 4 years later that wasnt the case or at least it didnt last given that this especially bad incident seems to be around 3 years ago

was derping when he could’ve been djenting 😢

"Sees 4 years later that wasnt the case or at least it didnt last given that this especially bad incident seems to be around 3 years ago"

yeah dude probably the worst thing the family could've done is isolate themselves with a fucking narc. my dad did the same thing to my mom while I was away for school and i'm still now slowly getting her out of the situation

Fuck dude, good luck

that sounds horrible, good luck with everything

great statement from the band

Holy shit its KILL. [2]

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Of all the threads KILL comes back for.

If we give KILL a time machine he would prevent both world wars m/

He has a specific set of sKILLs

Sincerely, as much as this saddens me it doesn't remove a single bit of Neurosis's legacy and cult status in my head. Art is always separated from the artists in my head. Many many cases of very bad people producing great art, items, stupid shows everyone sees... Also since there are 4 other people involved I find it unfair for them.

4 and others before them

That's kinda where I'm at with it

Just give us Given to the Rising on Spotify already ffs. I imagine some greedy fkn dersh label cracker is withholding it! To them i say fk you sir! Fk you hard

If I find out it's Scott he's gunna be so ded to me.....

"was derping when he could’ve been djenting 😢"

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5a/ca/0f/5aca0f14fce0a0b8b1133b4f89ad8b51.jpg

expected more from johnny but oh well

Well that is disappointing as fuck.

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"Sincerely, as much as this saddens me it doesn't remove a single bit of Neurosis's legacy and cult status in my head. Art is always separated from the artists in my head. Many many cases of very bad people producing great art, items, stupid shows everyone sees... Also since there are 4 other people involved I find it unfair for them."

This. I've just listened to GTTR and I enjoyed it as much as I always have. Plus they always said Neurosis is an entity beyond any of the individual members and that's also how I view it.

What is this dumbfuck on about

“ expected more from johnny but oh well”

wife and child abusers don’t rly deserve public pontification from me tbh. he gets a sardonic joke, and continued indifference. sry to disappoint 🤷‍♂️

Jots is cancelled

on a serious note I am so glad Neurosis put out the statement they did, the facebook comments that were like "I respect you for being honest about how you were being a controlling abuser to your wife and children UwU" were brainrot inducing

does anyone else want to share their sick and brutal opinions on this thread

you’re def not wrong johnny, and it is a public forum and outsiders definitely didn’t see this shock coming

but it is a “that’s that” moment

It wasn’t a sardonic joke, it was crass ignorance.

Musically

Off course it doesn't effect what theyve done, as a legacy. Much written before any of this took place too (which is a small thing im holding onto)
But like it or not it DOES now effect the many people will Listen to Neurosis. Because you can cut Scotts parts out, or take his lyrics/vocals out.
Can you remove the feeling hearing lyrics about darkness/pain/suffering etc etc from his mouth knowing hes done what hes done for fking years???
I mean at least that Nai fk from DSO isnt singing any Fash shit, That helps me separate it.
In this case I really dont think i can. GTTR can on in the gym before and it fucking killed me, theres an added weight tio it now that is to fkig raw atm

nutz

@ Deez: added to that there’s always been this ‘blues’ element to Neurosis, especially from ASTNS onwards, so it’s not like the vocals were just used like an instrument either; they were very much front and centre, as were the lyrics. Wasn’t the last track from TEOES about his wife who passed away?

Yeah 'I can see you' was about his last wife who died. And yeah that seemed to be the thing I find Neurosis bleak and beautiful but now with that added weight onto something already heavy...it was to much for me...maybe in time I dunno. Still seems far to inappropriate a time to talk about how there music 'feels to me' at this moment though as Potz alluded to in the other thread : (

Steve has just been touring his solo stuff, too. I can’t imagine how betrayed he feels. Didn’t even have the courtesy to contact them separately. It’s an incredible statement by the band, though, the best response I’ve ever seen to these type of grim situations. Contrast that with how the fucks from Daughters behaved.

Don't usually follow these situations, what did they do?

Who?

The other members of Daughters

Nick would post sky stories about cancel culture and then delete it, also one of them was contacted initially by Kristin and ignored

So both scummy and cowardly, awesome

holy fucking shit fuck this guy

and also anyone saying that its commendable that he came forward admitting this and he needs help, you know who needs help even more? his fucking wife and children that he put through this shit

fuck this waste of space

Maybe a contentious point but I feel like I can condemn this sociopath without changing my view of Neurosis' music.

They're not exactly writing endearing wholesome indie folk ballads, their stuff is primal and abrasive and in that sense I feel less dissonance listening to it just as I'll still listen to Gaza, Leviathan, Drunkdriver etc. It's ugly antisocial music (although not always with Neurosis) and it's just not as jarring when the people who write it are revealed to be ugly characters as well (of course most guys in the bands seem like good people and they have my sympathy but I think my point stands)

I wouldn't financially support a band who had a member who was established as being a complete piece of shit but I'll still listen to it without feeling guilty about it.

the music still slaps

bad taste

was he having an out of body experience or something, how does he admit all that and only now just realize he was wrong? very strange read

Its disappointing when you find out that band members you enjoy are scummy people, but this doesn't change how I enjoy listening to the music those particular people created throughout their lifetime. Every circumstance is different with this sort of thing and I am not going to boycott a band I enjoy just because one of their members is a cruddy dude.

Is that not a correct descriptor?

it's ok you can swear on the internet

Says the guy who's profile is "heck"

Frig off bro

@EphemeralEternity: I don’t disagree with most of what you say, but there’s a bit of a difference here in the sense that Neurosis’ lyrics were often about being damaged but also life affirming in many ways (ASTNS’ title track especially). Given what we know now, it’s pretty jarring for me.

Absent In Body put up their statement. Basically saying they had no idea and are in shock and had to make a few calls and talk with each other before making a statement.Furthur more they codemn the actions and it horrifys them as fathers to learn what Kelly has done. Collin explains that they havent heard from Kelly since 2018 when they tracked guitars for Plauge God and that they saw no indicators of that behaviour.

"Says the guy who's profile is "heck""

Lol so good

this makes me so sad and disappointed, what a scumbag

scott's been one of my absolute favourite vocalists

"Im sure this will be a productive thread"


Two days layter..

My thoughts go out to Mastodon.

ive never listened to this band, but heard people talk about them.

seemed strange / narcissist to continually put the wife on a pedestal while also admitting to beating the shit out of her, like "she's an ANGEL who i beat so talk to her she handles my communication i trust her with my LIFE don't HURT her guys be nice"

erm, what?

maybe still clinging to the possibility of getting her back? just speculation

as i've heard it described, it's manipulator talk to make them look like the good guy by saying nice things about the other person. it frames them as being more empathetic despite also admitting to abuse at the same time.

"erm, what?"

He made their life a living hell, but yeah, he loves her "to no end"

"I know now that choosing to live a public life and be onstage was the worst decision that I could have made given the way that I am."

Why do these dipshits always have these lame excuses for their appalling behavior? When a famous/semi-famous guy goes "oh I couldn't cope with all of the fame and the adoration...and that's why I started to beat up my wife and kids" another unknown guy somewhere out there will go "my life didn't go as planned and I never had any success and nobody ever notices me...and that's why I started to beat up my wife and kids"
No you asshole, you started to beat up your wife and kids because you are an absolute turd. You chose to be a professional musician because that's what you were/are good at and you started abusing your family because you are a complete miserable wreck of a human being and that probably wouldn't be any different if you were some unrecognized average joe working an average joe job. Famous or not-famous, how about abusing your family is never ok under any circumstance?

the guy is a classic manipulator. one of the most weasely apology posts I've ever read

“Some people can be in a scene like this where there is no accountability and maintain their integrity. I cannot.“

A few sentences before this, he states that he’d manipulated people in the scene over a period of time in order to control the situation and cover it up, so how in the fuck is he being accountable? Also, “my wife speaks for me in my absence” is such a weird and creepy thing to put, given all the other info.

Meh, fuck Scott Kelly and his manipulative apology. Hope his family can eventually find some peace.

so i guess it’s time to stop listening to neurosis. fuck.

dude really had to go ahead and suck as a human

friendship ended with neurosis, now isis is my best friend

Careful, you'll get deplatformed for saying that.

Neurosis was great to hang around, and Isis is a real pal, but Cult of Luna is my current bestie

also acceptable candidate for bestie

Dont jinx it boys, cult of lulu and isis the not a terrorist organization could be next

In my head canon Aaron turner is a really good guy let’s not ruin it

I've said it before and I'll say it again

No one person can destroy what they accomplished as neurosis

Yes SK is a huge piece of garbage

Im not gonna stop listening to arguably my favorite band of all time.

"let’s not ruin it"

I was talking from an artistic perspective, i prefer the ones i mentioned over Neurosis, that being said, nothing good can come from idolizing people, period, and as Good Ford said, nothing will change what they acomplished together

Was le not serious

yea, don't idolize cuz you never know em truly