already looking to be a shit year coming up huh

As terrible as Pants Airer are, this won't alter how shit my year will inevitably be park - I can achieve that all by myself!

Imo it's a disservice to their legacy

Reinventing the Oxymoron.

Just why?

You know what fine

Should call it the Far Beyond Disappointing tour.

Coming to a white supremacist rally near you!

"let's go Anselmo"


jk

yeah good luck with that 1

I'm so impressed by Phil's energy levels tho

'Coming to a white supremacist rally near you!'

I sense snark. They've got to put food on the table somehow Mars, business is business, no? Poor guys must've seen an opportunity due to the current political climate and reluctantly reformed in order to feed their families. I feel for them.

nice i love paramore

"I sense snark. They've got to put food on the table somehow Mars, business is business, no? Poor guys must've seen an opportunity due to the current political climate and reluctantly reformed in order to feed their families. I feel for them."

If you are a loved one is suffering from Neo-Nazism, give them a donut, they might feel better. . . . .

the great southern cash grab

One Word: Money

'If you are a loved one is suffering from Neo-Nazism, give them a donut, they might feel better. . . . .'

I'm sure the good people of Pantera aren't wilfully supporting such things, it's just business at the end of the day. Deathspell Omega welcomed the idea and were in-line to replace them, but unfortunately no-one knew who they were.

Probably doesn't help when black metal players masquerade under names a la Verminux Blackthunder Christ-destroyer etc etc

Phil is well known to have white supremacist sympathies

jus a lil sympathy or two

The satire and Phil Anselmo hate is the best and surprising thing about this post

Ngl, I would like to see Wylde shredding some Pantera riffs.

the great southern cash grab (2)

Tour will sell like hotcakes despite him being a massive racist : (

"Tour will sell like hotcakes despite him being a massive racist : ("

You can say the quiet part out loud my guy

I imagine a lot of tickets will be sold BECAUSE of Phil being Phil

Pantera without Dime and Vinnie? Its the Phil and Rex tour lads.

Pantera died with Dime already

'Phil is well known to have white supremacist sympathies'

Are you sure he isn't just very accepting of alternative viewpoints / ideologies? We must be willing to accept even if we don't agree.

"He WaS tAlKiNg AbOuT wHiTe WiNe GuYs"

~cognitive dissonance

this is dumb and is so obviously being done for the money. let it rest

I definitely prefer white wine to black wine

Are you sure he isn't just very accepting of alternative viewpoints / ideologies? We must be willing to accept even if we don't agree.

Stop trying to indoctrinate us with critical pantera theory, which says that slayer fans are the oppressors of pantera fans.

Slayer promote death through Satanic imagery, this is also an ideology we must accept despite it being unacceptable in some cultures

fuck maaaasks *groove riff* my free-DOOM! *roman salute*

in my country if a band breaks up it's illegal for them to reunite

Only ever time I've caught Phil live was at a festival really early, sun blazing and he was singing sleepy stoner style with Down and it was deeply deeply underwhelming, stoned out of his brain

Would definitely try and catch a Pantera reunion whoever they get on drums and guitar, confiscate his weed

More like off his tits on meds for his doddery back

m/

Far Beyond Disappointing and Great Southern Cashgrab - outstanding work Sputnik

Zakk Wylde on guitar, Charlie Benante on drums and Dr Pan T. Rah on chiropody

The Nazi salute is actually somewhat different from the Roman salute in that it lacks the counter clockwise wave.

Romans have more honor in their pinky finger than Nazi's have in their entire body.

Hail Caesar!

neckbeards unite

Shame on the band of Pantera for such barbarity, shame.

lol doof

'Christmas comes early for neckbeards' would have been a punchier news headline agreed

Is this a threat?

The tracks 'Rise' and 'No Good (Attack The Radical)' seem to have progressive/acceptance as their undertone. I don't understand why people like to box people into categories. It's so counterproductive

http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/pantera/vulgardisplayofpower.html#6

Surprised to see this headline obviously but surprised Phil and Rex are willing to call it a Pantera tour after the former has said multiple times that Pantera died with Dimebag

It's as if they want to make money or something

'It's as if they want to make money or something'

It's a lot harder to name late '80s/'90s bands who haven't reunited after splitting up tbh, the concept itself is hardly unusual even with dead/missing band members, this hardly classes as a surprise let alone outrage.

Money is nearly always the main driver.

Pissing on legacies

Fuck ‘em.

Also despite doing a seig heil and shouting white power I don't think Phil's a racist he's just a hothead who blurts out stupid shit. There's candid videos of him hugging and hanging out with fans of all skin colours and he's never alluded to holding any racist ideology like other known racist musicians have.

He deserves the flack he gets for his offensive outbursts and I couldn't blame anyone for discarding him into the trash pile with other ostensible pieces of shit but I'm convinced he's not actually a bigot deep down

Yea it simply isn't Pantera without Dime Bag let alone Vinnie Paul as well.

Shitty cash grab by a wack shitty dude who wasn’t even the original vocalist

I mean whether or not he was the original vocalist is a silly point, they made it big because Phil was the guy to help take them there. That'slike saying Spencer isn't the original vocalist of Periphery so he's useless.

fuck this lol

Nah my shitposting aside I'm curious to see how they fare, even the last album had great cuts like Hellbound

also Caliggy the "roman" fascist salute isn't an ancient Rome thing at all indeed, but saluto romano is still its common name in Italy (saluto romano / fascista / nazista you hear them used like synonyms). I never see it used in English though now that you make me think about it

I know too many people who are infatuated with this band even after Phil's bullshit. I, for one, will not put another dime in his pocket after his despicable behavior that has tainted the band's legacy.

Band has some chunes but yeah Phil is a nazi so I don't think I'll be attending a Pantera show anytime soon

"in my country if a band breaks up it's illegal for them to reunite"

best comment

Far Beyond Unnecessary

I mean Pantera is one of my all time favorite bands so this is the most excited I've been about anything in fucking forever, so I'm hype.

This website can be weirdly and aggressively negative about fucking great news sometimes.

Mate Pantera were one of my favourite metal bands too but seeing them without Dimebag would be pointless, let alone without Dime and Vinnie!
I think it would’ve been forgivable if Vinnie was alive and involved because it’d be a tribute to Dime and more about the other three making up but this is shameless

True, seeing them without Dimebag and Vinnie is taking away a MAJOR part of what made that band great, but I never expected this to happen at all in general so having the opportunity to even see half this band live is like a lifelong childhood dream of mine.

this is literally only happening now because vinnie is dead

sad but true

Thread has exceeded all expectations. I'm impressed

I would never spend my money for this cheap cash crab.

No Abbott brothers (RIP), no Pantera.

Metal Cashgrab
Cashgrabs in the 2020s
I am the Cashgrab
Power cashgrab
Cashgrab from Hell
Vulgar display of Cash
Far Beyond Cashgrab
The Great Southern Cashgrab
Reinventing the Cashgrab
New Found Cashgrab

Cash
Cash II: a Cashgrab in your headrow
Cash III: over the Cashgrab
Cash IV part 1
Cash IV part 2

best thing pantera contributed to was nola

Pantera is one of my favorite metal bands, but without Dime and Vinnie the magic just wouldn't be there for me. I wish this would've happened while Vinnie was still around instead of all that time spent with that garbage band Hellyeah.

that's an insult to garbage

"Phil is well known to have white supremacist sympathies"
he performed with Down here in Israel

They call the new Pantera the 007 of groove metal

0 Dimebag
0 Vinnie Paul
7 Nazi salutes per show

The name's Anselmo. Phil Anselmo

"Thread has exceeded all expectations. I'm impressed"
Well, you know, watch it explode

yes please

Also despite doing a seig heil and shouting white power I don't think Phil's a racist he's just a hothead who blurts out stupid shit.

You actually typed that.

what if this thread is, in fact, a SputnikMusic vibe check

“ I imagine a lot of tickets will be sold BECAUSE of Phil being Phil”

Nah, I sent this in a group chat with some of my friends and none of them know Phil’s past with white supremacy nonsense. It’s only common knowledge if you’re a music dork like us imo

Tho admittedly if they hit my city I’ll probably go.

“ best thing pantera contributed to was nola”
And scoot once again coming in with the best take

why

they must get offers all the time and they finally caved

Money

And I think they’re doing it now because Vinnie didn’t fucking like Phil.
Now they can because he’s dead

No thanks

I don't want to assign some coherent political agenda to anything Anselmo has done, but his history of saying weird white pride shit onstage goes a lot farther back than that little dimebash incident, and is much too consistent over the years to reasonably be written off as hotheadedness.

Anyway im sure the tour will be fun for the superfans but far as I'm concerned Pantera will always be the Abbott bros' band and a version of Pantera without them might as well be a cover band

lets be honest rex is replaceable and the least important member of the band by far, and there's no chance phil could make anything from cowboys sound good. anyone who purchases a ticket to this - if it even goes ahead - is getting straight up scammed.

and yeah fuck racists

if they don't play anything from Metal Magic we RIOT!!!!

All-Glamtera setlist is their only chance for redemption tbh

Feels weird. Lots of bands can just slot in new members whenever, but not this one. The name should remain retired. Just seems kinda gross and opportunistic to go for it after the Abbotts have passed.

"This website can be weirdly and aggressively negative about fucking great news sometimes."

TBH it's not just this website. Pantera fans everywhere are crying into their Pantera's Legacy (tm) mugs right now. No idea why they can't just go fucking enjoy the still-living members of your favourite band play the damn songs they love without throwing a tantrum.

trying to wrap my head around why anyone would go to bat for pantera of all bands in 2022.

relevant I guess: https://ibb.co/f1xyRJ4

LAME as fk. I mean most reunions are but half the band being fking dead...not only dead but pre death absolutely fucking HATED Phil. And they were the founders of the band. Phils gonna stand up there inbetween white power rants, Put Dime and Vin on the screen and salute them, call them brothers and make himself look the good caring guy. It reeks on Anselmos ego all over. Just Use Pantera AD or some shit but using that name considering how it ended is pretty grim for me. Luckily I lived through that time when they were a whirlwind it was glorious. I loved them. NEVER listen to them any more like and so wouldnt be go to this anyway but yeah.....fk off Phil

I can see the ads for this tour now
Respect Phil Anselmo's ego, WALK, don't run to get your tickets now

Just throwing my name in the ring here to say this is a bad idea. Dimebag was the main reason to listen to Pantera. Vinnie locking in with Dimebag was reason #2. Phil's voice not sucking in the early 90s was reason #3. Being drunk was reason #4. I don't drink. I have no reason to see this. Sorry, Rex.

cant wait to see all the lets go brandon paraphernalia in the crowd

Good Biden sucks

“Respect Phil Anselmo's ego, WALK, don't run to get your tickets now“

HAH!

biden does suck, bernie or bust

#ResurrectCoolidge2024

No dimbag, no vinnie, and no Seth Putnam in case they play Suicide note…

This is disturbing.

I just like saying 'racist sellouts'.

For some reason it makes me feel a little better.

Cringe

Lmao did someone say something to piss people off and that's why there's so much hate on here?


Oh no, we can't separate the music from the artist.

'"This website can be weirdly and aggressively negative about fucking great news sometimes."

TBH it's not just this website. Pantera fans everywhere are crying into their Pantera's Legacy (tm) mugs right now. No idea why they can't just go fucking enjoy the still-living members of your favourite band play the damn songs they love without throwing a tantrum.'

@SitarHero: I don't regard myself as a Pantera fan... I like their stuff to a point, but definitely not to any degree say, in Sputnik-speak, beyond a "3.5". In this regard, I think the issue, fanboi or not, is the fact that this "reunion" just feels in bad taste. As in, we KNOW that it wouldn't happen as a tribute when Vinnie Paul was alive, because he explicitly wanted nothing to do with Phil, for (justifiably, from his POV) good reasons.

The name and brand "Pantera" carries a lot with it. I don't think anyone would have an issue with Rex Brown say, joining The Illegals lineup for a tour covering Pantera songs... it can't, by definition, be a "reunion" of that specific band with key original members a) dead and b) knowing that the more recently surviving one was absolutely against the idea.

Fan or not, there's no scenario that this seems cool.

this isn't necessarily about that.

It's a disservice to the pantera legacy. No Abbots = no reunion. Anselmo has no claim to their legacy

^ ?

Taking out the hyperbole, I basically said that.

Dun duh duh dun

guess Phil ran out of drug money, eh?

Inconvenient fact about phil anselmo that the frothing people in this thread won't like/won't believe/will downplay: Fact is, he was best friends with Emanuel Steward, a black boxer, who he literally thought of as a father figure to him, and Phil spent his own money, thousands and thousands of dollars, to keep a gym open in Detroit called Kronk gym, for inner city youth, there. Emmanuel used to run the gym before he passed away.

So, while yeah he's an idiot and does stupid shit, the fact remains him being racist doesn't really jive with how he acts in his life as a person.

unwound reforming >>>> pantera reforming

I don't really care about Pantera or know much about Phil Anselmo as a person. I really just hate him because of that annoying punchable expression he makes in all those pictures of him

"Inconvenient fact about phil anselmo that the frothing people in this thread won't like/won't believe/will downplay: Fact is, he was best friends with Emanuel Steward, a black boxer, who he literally thought of as a father figure to him, and Phil spent his own money, thousands and thousands of dollars, to keep a gym open in Detroit called Kronk gym, for inner city youth, there. Emmanuel used to run the gym before he passed away."

He was good friends with Manny Steward? That's pretty cool, didn't know that.

They should've just re-released Metal Magic and called it a day.

but he has black friends! He literally has black friends!!

I know it seems pathetic jumping to Phils defence and saying 'he has black friends! he hangs out with black fans! He likes black boxers!' etc and it doesn't excuse his actions, but it's not nothing either. A genuine neo nazi wouldn't do that.

Theres different shades of racism. You don't have to literally believe non-whites are sub human and/or go around attacking and killing them in order to be racist. Being racist can be as simple as thinking that some minorities are less intelligent or trustworthy or hardworking than whatever your race is, for example. Having black friends doesn't mean you can't still think that black people are, in general, inferior in some way. Having black friends isn't evidence of non- racism any more than being given birth by a woman makes you a non-misogynist.

racists always separate minorities into good ones and bad ones. ffs the guys from Arghoslent supported obama because he was a "proper" example of a black man.

Yeah I was just responding to the comments that he's a worthless neo nazi. I think having black friends is evidence that you're not at that extreme of racism though... those sorts wouldn't even want to associate or have the underlying respect that's needed to form a friendship

sidenote: My grandma is the most sweet old lady but she says things like 'wow he's very well educated... for an african man' or 'he's a black person but he's the nice kind' and even though I'll pull her up she keeps saying things like this as though it's just hardwired into her head. She grew up in the 40s/50s though so I guess it's more understandable

I honestly don't think Anselmo is that much more racist than the average middle-aged white dude from Louisiana (your call on how low a bar that is). I'd be the last to excuse away anything he's said but a lot of generally not-monstrous people pick up bad ideas floating around in their environment and just never put in the time to educate themselves and unlearn all that shit.

whether they can be faulted for that is another discussion, and whether they can be faulted for that as a public figure is like 5 additional discussions, all of which are probably best had elsewhere.

Lol

Why is this even a thing...

Because of that $$$

"
Because of that $$$
"

Sadly. The only good thing about the band was Dimebag, and without him this tour is ridiculous.

A vulgar display of bullshit

"let's go Anselmo"

More like "let it go, Anselmo"

THIS