I'm really not surprised, and that's the saddest thing. The scene is so predatory, along with a most of the alt scene that it honestly terrifies/disgusts me on a visceral level. AltPress were cowards for backing down from doing the right thing a year ago, but at least they will publish these stories. These girls must be heard.

Garbage person

Yikes. Pretty shitty of him to try to hard to suppress this story while also promoting his new-found love for religion.

I knew about some allegations years back but they went largely ignored, and I know Forever YDG’n was the band somewhat calling him out, but I didn’t know shit was THIS bad

There's so many stories that are pushed down, that it's absolutely disgusting.
Fuckin Pouya is out there still with a strong fanbase that knows nothing about the evil shit he's done. Along with other bands that promote "progressiveness" whilst being too terrified to call someone the fuck out or kick them off their tours or shit like that. God dammit.

Me must've known this would come out at some point; didn't he flee the country after he left OM&M? Could've sworn I read somewhere that he lived in like Costa Rica or something. Seems awfully coincidental.

I'll be shocked if there's anything short of rampant sexual misconduct going on at Warped Tour for years.

hahah holy fuck. dudes always seemed like a weirdo, doesnt surprise me

Hope this fucker burns in the hell he believes in. Sick piece of shit. Anybody who is like this man should be eradicated IDGAF!!!!

This shit was inevitable. The entire reason for grown adults to participate in this shitty music scene was always to prey on impressionable, manipulable young fans. Jesse Lacey wasn't a one-off.

“ Me must've known this would come out at some point; didn't he flee the country after he left OM&M? Could've sworn I read somewhere that he lived in like Costa Rica or something. Seems awfully coincidental. ”

Yeah like the second he left the band he fucked off to some fancy island to recover and talk to god or some shit. I know the rest of the band knew about the allegations, I think they found out about them around the time he left and that’s partially why the split happened. Band was probably contracted to remain silent, they don’t seem like scummy guys

I mean it was also what people have been bred to believe for decades leading up to this: sex, drugs and rock & roll. It's not like this music scene was any less resemblant of classic rock bands prior. Artists like Bowie, Aerosmith, the Stones and plenty of other bands had groupies with underage women and commited acts regularly that would be considered heinous by today's standards.

But yes, the Warped Tour scene had a very molesty feel to it all.

This Austin guy seems like a real jerk!

Doesn't surprise me.

Shite band, fuck its fans

to the surprise of absolutely nobody that knows who this guy is

absolute disgrace and needs to fuck off forever

also this shit is all over the warped tour scene and has been for years

warped tour bands are lame, agreed

Fuck right off with your lame hot takes, user Pikazilla. Your input here is valued even less than normal, which I didn't think was possible.

someone get this guy a moist toilette ^


fuck all these pedo bands [2]

He just serves his opinion with style, I really cannot see your point buddy.

Omg, I mean Pika lol

"also this shit is all over the warped tour scene and has been for years"

I mean who else goes to warped tour but easily manipulated scene girls

Easily manipulated scene boys.

army recruiters

in what twisted universe is stating one's dislike for pedocore considered a hot take

even if he just meant the warped tour take, thinking scenecore bands are shit is barely lukewarm

hope he rots in prison the rest of his life

I still haven't read the word "ephebophilia" on this thread, what the fuck is happening to this site

"I mean who else goes to warped tour but easily manipulated scene girls"

police/military transplants

I knew a girl in high school who used to gush over this band. So that sucks even more now

"hope he rots in prison the rest of his life"

he deserves much worse than that imo but if i detailed what i think should happen to rapists and pedos i'd probably get banned

> Jesse Lacey wasn't a one-off.

ngl when i read this part i first thought of jessi slaughter and blood on the dance floor

> Fuck right off with your lame hot takes, user Pikazilla. Your input here is valued even less than normal, which I didn't think was possible.

literally who the fuck are you and why are you defending pedos that make shite music

the music scene has some awful people in it.

"he deserves much worse than that imo but if i detailed what i think should happen to rapists and pedos i'd probably get banned"

pedos certainly aren't looked kindly upon in prison so that might happen anyways

My favorite part of these threads is the accounts with like 57 comments who decide they have enough SputClout to go to bat for their problematic fave and not get immediately dogpiled

Pretty sad how no one is suprised at this shit

"pedos certainly aren't looked kindly upon in prison so that might happen anyways"

yeah, hopefully his fellow inmates and staff will help intensify his sentence but i'm not sure they have access to all the equipment and medical staff necessary to completely fulfill my vision of justice. they'd also need about a dozen or so male gorillaz.

Yeah definitely not surprising. But what is surprising, and sickening, is that AltPress kept quiet about it even all through the MeToo bombshells. Like..................how does this story not break? What “legal action” could he possibly take against them when he’s the one raping minors?

i love that in the tweet they virtue signal so hard about refusing to let this story die after pussying out the first time around and continuing to feature and write about this band in a supportive manner and how literally every subsequent tweet is people just shitting all over them.

agreed with the 2 posts above

"ngl when i read this part i first thought of jessi slaughter and blood on the dance floor"

oh god i had forgotten about her

Carlile can sue for "slander" or whatever have you, it doesn't matter if its correct or not. AltPress probably either couldn't or didn't want to take a financial hit to defend themselves against it. Even if and hopefully when they beat him in court, they'd be out hundreds of thousands of dollars. Its another reason why rich people get away with this shit. They can bury their enemies in an abundance of court costs until they withdraw, or in the case of the victims, sign an "agreement" to make it stop.

It is repulsive

"Yeah definitely not surprising. But what is surprising, and sickening, is that AltPress kept quiet about it even all through the MeToo bombshells. Like..................how does this story not break?"

-yeah, same

"What “legal action” could he possibly take against them when he’s the one raping minors?"

-defamation or something like that probably

Alt Press has always been little more than a fluff publication that exists to prop up the industry. Exposés aren't something they do. I can't remember them ever breaking a story like this in the past (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Not surprised in the least that they would cave to legal threats.

been watching that epstein doc on netflix and thinking about how its pretty crazy that cops have an easier time murdering black ppl than they do getting pedophiles into prison

agentdeathbat prob only got like 2 bands left to listen to at this point

lmao

Did he actually physically force sex on some or all of these girls too?

To be clear I'm not saying that if he didn't do that it somehow makes his actions any less despicable. I've just never understood why people in his position resort to that shit when they clearly don't need to. Unless they just get off on that shit.

I'm curious what the psychological reason behind this is. Reminds me of that Mindhunter show.

> Alt Press has always been little more than a fluff publication that exists to prop up the industry. Exposés aren't something they do.

yea thats a lot of niche publications online and offline tbh

gamers should know

" AltPress probably either couldn't or didn't want to take a financial hit to defend themselves against it. Even if and hopefully when they beat him in court, they'd be out hundreds of thousands of dollars. Its another reason why rich people get away with this shit. They can bury their enemies in an abundance of court costs until they withdraw, or in the case of the victims, sign an "agreement" to make it stop."

So they chose profit margin over justice for at least 15 girls but perhaps even more importantly anyone that came after their silence is also on their hands.

Besides, aren't there other ways they could get this out there ? Anonymous leaks and what not. Or were they holding on to it to get full credit for the story . They want their cake and eat it too.

Another shitty warped tour pop metalcore band member is a rapist?


I’m absolutely OVERCOME WITH SHOCK

> Besides, aren't there other ways they could get this out there ? Anonymous leaks and what not. Or were they holding on to it to get full credit for the story . They want their cake and eat it too.

bingo

15!!! Jesus H Christ that's an absurd amount of rapes and 1 is horrible enough. Not good. Not good.

"So they chose profit margin over justice for at least 15 girls but perhaps even more importantly anyone that came after their silence is also on their hands."

Exactly. Margins>stances. Even if it is good PR for them, it wouldn't counteract the cost of publishing the story at the time considering he's still a very low level celebrity that most don't care about. It is like this for most large companies, and maybe I'm just a cynic at this point, but it makes shit like this feel hollow. I'm still happy that these girls are getting their stories out there, I'm just incredibly upset that it had to take this long.
And these things can leak, but unfortunately these things don't gain traction, and these people still end up keeping their careers, because no large publication can give enough of a shit to help give these victims a pedestal to speak out on. I can guarantee that people have tweeted and spread the word about Austin in the past, but evidently it did nothing--this is the first time I've heard of this until a "major" publication came out to make a statement.

At this point can we just agree that the whole warped tour scene is guilty until proven innocent

Like there's no way the bands OM&M toured and partied with for years don't know about any of this stuff and there's absoLUTELY no way his bandmates were completely in the dark. At *best* the scene is lousy with enablers and spineless worms willing to look the other way.

^

Almost as if Warped Tour was originally called Wa-raped Tour

Uhh no we certainly can't all agree that the entire warped tour is full of raping pedos sorry. There's a ton of decent honorable folk out there I'm not about to just blanketly label them all as rapists.

I seriously doubt the likes of an Ace Enders or Dustin Kensrue would ever engage or condone this shit. If they did my world view would be shattered =(

>warped tour
>"There's a ton of decent honorable folk"

this is the worst thing i've read in a minute

[2] lol

this is the same retarded logic as "buh buh but not all cops tho!!!"

you're not decent and honourable if you turn a blind eye and allow shit like this to fester in your community/scene/etc

Do you know how many bands play at warped tour? You are retarded.

Yeah buddy, they're all rapists except for the bands that you like, Ace Enders just donated three square inches of his liver to charity, whoever he is.

"this is the same retarded logic as "buh buh but not all cops tho!!!"

you're not decent and honourable if you turn a blind eye and allow shit like this to fester in your community/scene/etc"

It's nothing like that you dumbass. What you think every band at warped hangs out at the cafeteria during lunch sharing rape stories? It's highly likely many bands know jack shit possibly never even met other bands during warped.

I would consider going on record as denouncing predatory artist-fan relationships and cutting ties with people in your scene who have pulled shit like that as "proving oneself innocent" but hey turns out a whole lot of these motherfuckers would rather just keep having fun at festivals while their buddies grope teenagers backstage.

"It's nothing like that you dumbass. What you think every band at warped hangs out at the cafeteria during lunch sharing rape stories?"

honestly? prob

lol

yea kompys gets it, shame about the ENLIGHTENED CENTRISTS who dont

why is everyone who is trying to claim the moral high ground saying r*tard

Fuck it let's just say if you are a band you are a rapist. Why stop at warped. We all listen to a bunch of pedo rapists. If you have music playing right now you are a rapist supporter so feel guilty

lol no wonder this defensive grug has a bunch of brand new 5s hahahah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Warped_Tour_lineups_by_year

Damn that's a lot of rapists or at the very least silent supporters.

Shit the list is so long it like broke my phone scrolling down. Damn rapists.

Dustin Kensrue/Thrice hasn't played Warped Tour since 2008, they're not relevant to this discussion. It's the turn of the decade shitty bands like Of Mice & Men and whatever recent Jonny Craig project he's in now that spawn the least surprising rapists ever

keep posting cringe bro youre doing gods work defending this fucked shit

Fuck Austin and fuck anybody coming at my boy Pika, y'all have baby dicks and ya mom is a ho

holy shit the number of imbeciles in this thread already

"What you think every band at warped hangs out at the cafeteria during lunch sharing rape stories?"


pretty sure the vast majority of rxpists would not be openly public about who they abused


how many strawman arguments do you have up your sleeve bro

well thank god warped tour is dead, although i'll admit i attended at least 7 years from ages 12-20

also austin carlisle has always been a shitlord who asks for pity for his "hard life" and boasts about his finding God. now I cant jam Stick Stickly without feeling guilty.

"
Dustin Kensrue/Thrice hasn't played Warped Tour since 2008, they're not relevant to this discussion. It's the turn of the decade shitty bands like Of Mice & Men and whatever recent Jonny Craig project he's in now that spawn the least surprising rapists ever
"

Nope we already agreed anyone at warped tour is a rapist.

Yea I can guarantee that there are a bunch of dudes from Warped Tour bands that have done similar shady shit that just hasn't surfaced, or the people around them turn a blind eye

Literally nobody agreed with anything you said because you're an embarrassing moron Dream

There's stories about A Day to Remember and Sleeping With Sirens rapists popping up too because of this, other Warped Tour bands that have the least surprising allegations ever. I would have betted that these stories came out earlier, but they're also too popular to get a proper takedown

itt i remember why i stopped using the site

you're an embarrassing moron Dream [2]

DreamAgain is going rapeshit

"Pretty sure the vast majority of rxpists would not be openly public about who they abused

how many strawman arguments do you have up your sleeve bro"

Lol it's almost like you just proved my point. You literally just said the exact same thing as me just rephrased. So what you're saying is it's likely bands who played at warped tour had nothing to do with or knew nothing about pedo raping going on? So perhaps not every band at warped isnt raping people :thinking:

I'd be heartbroken if bands like Silverstein and TDWP were up to this stuff on warped.

calm down park. ur just being mean spirited for the sake of it.

Yes I'm the moron in all of this after somebody compared bands playing at Warped Tour to institutionalized racism in law enforcement.

I didn't see that and that also sounds considerably dumb

"Dustin Kensrue/Thrice hasn't played Warped Tour since 2008"

Thrice played Warped last year bruh

I haven’t used this account in years lol, but seeing this headline ... I had to come share my thoughts on it. There was a headline not that long ago about the singer of Aiden doing some sick shit like this too & to agree with most in this thread ... Yes a lot of these band dudes are sick fucks (Ian Watkins I’m looking at you) I wouldn’t put it past them, but the other members or just other bands in general who have knowledge of these situations are scum for not speaking the fuck up. S/o Landon Tewers & the boys in TPIY for speaking on this dude years ago with “Digging Your Grave” Might give that shit a spin today just because!

"agentdeathbat prob only got like 2 bands left to listen to at this point"

lol

There are stories about band members getting up to sketchy shit floating all around that scene. This story literally almost broke years ago and got actively buried. you don't think it's even a little sus that no one ever goes "hey man, what's the deal with all these people saying you got with a 14yo?". You don't find it a bit odd that every single story like this breaks because the victim comes forward, and it's never once a bandmate or manager who finds out and won't keep it quiet?

Well I’m blind

They went 11 years without playing it so I don’t know why they felt the need to return. They were always too good for Warped anyways

mclovin lookin ass rapist motherfucker

dude itt you went from questioning the victims to arguing that not all warped tour artists are abusers to saying that only locker room talk would out you as an abuser


you don't have a fucking point, you're just blowing off hot air because someone in a music website thread generalized all warped tour artists as pedos


"Yes I'm the moron in all of this after somebody compared bands playing at Warped Tour to institutionalized racism in law enforcement."


oh yeah bc you definitely cared about that before you were called out for acting like a child

Usually because the only people who have hard evidence of any wrongdoing are the perpetrator or the victim. When you accuse someone in the "public spotlight" without concrete evidence supporting your claim, it turns into a he-said-she-said situation and can seriously impact credibility. Plus, nobody wants to whistleblow someone with that amount of a fanbase because of the potential negative backlash for speaking out.

It sounds selfish on the part of a third-party to think like that, but imagine the prospect of stans doxxing you or giving your family death threats because you came out and said something?

haha stupid gay women thinking they can write articles amirite

LMAO female AND gay and yet they think they've got the brain power to learn all of the 26 letters in order to write an article smh thank you socialism welcome to NORTH KOREA!!!

Yeah, I get that there's an incentive to keep things on the dl, it's the overall trend that really gets me. On an individual level it's absolutely understandable, but a whole scene encompassing scores of bands and a thousand+ individuals and almost nobody willing to speak up is extremely disappointing to me.

My favorite part of these threads is the accounts with like 57 comments who decide they have enough SputClout to go to bat for their problematic fave and not get immediately dogpiled [2]

“There's stories about A Day to Remember”

Lol yeah Josh Woodard. I actually googled the accusations earlier and a message board from fucking 2011 came up with people talking about him fucking underage girls. Crazy some of this shit takes so long to really come to light.

"I wrote more comments, so I'm right" thank you. Very strong arguments.

It's okay man, you'll get there eventually

Imagine being so blind or stupid that as an adult you can't recognize that warped tour was a breeding ground for predatory behaviour.

"As a female-led, lgbtq+ editorial staff...well here goes the credibility..."

get coronavirus

i always hated this guys voice

Always love the fact that these threads bring out the dumbest motherfuckers on this god damn website.

that ''Cold World'' album the band made was straight up terrible. I still cannot believe how terrible it was. Fuck him

I don't necessarily like picking on music websites because I have a soft spot for most of them because they're usually funded by the owners and donors and they're a labor of love kind of like Sputnikmusic is. I think alt-press is bigger though.

"Imagine being so blind or stupid that as an adult you can't recognize that warped tour was a breeding ground for predatory behaviour."

Yeah, pretty much this

though jesse lacey is also a scumbag i dont think its fair to group him in with this guy, the stuff this guy did (allegedly) about 10x worse than Lacey.

>"As a female-led, lgbtq+ editorial staff"...well here goes the credibility...

imagine typing this

There were always rumblings of this.

And yet sadly, it took this long to reach a broader audience

""I mean who else goes to warped tour but easily manipulated scene girls"

"army recruiters"

"police/military transplants""

just to cut thru the bs for a minute, can someone explain this?

the military used to sponsor and recruit at the warped tour.

punk rock!

i think that guy has a point if the staff really are feminists and they covered this up, again though we don't know who was running the site back then and we also don't know what the threats from this guy were, maybe he said he'd ruin them or put them out of business by suing them.

Recruiters go to warped tour because it is predominately younger audience, so they can try and convince kids to join the army--same reason they're at most other fair-type events.
My Warped Tour had this weird hari krsna like religion that would talk to anyone outside of the gates and give them their holy book as a gift, but then ask for a donation, and if you didn't give them one, they'd ask for it back.

I mean, fair, but I hardly doubt Alt Press would go under because Austin fuckin Carlile lol

"This shit was inevitable. The entire reason for grown adults to participate in this shitty music scene was always to prey on impressionable, manipulable young fans. Jesse Lacey wasn't a one-off."

Spot on.

@Eons It's more likely that the Alt Press brass decided that the risk of a lawsuit (regardless of whether or not it had merit) wasn't worth it. The publication exists to sell advertisement and make sure the industry profits. Nobody turns to them for hard-hitting investigative journalism.

thanks dudes. sounds like the whole thing was a shitshow lmao

Yeah there’s been rumors since he left Attack Attack. Honestly bet at least one of the other guys did shit too because they fucked off pretty quick after saying they were going to reveal why he was actually kicked out.

15? What a dick.

Imagine being scared to print that a rapist is a rapist because the rapist said he'd sue you. This is why the USA is so fucked up.

Also, it says a lot about the world that these girls could only got to some hack publication about it. People need to start going to the police and reporting these sick fucks.

Also, also. If you're in a band, have sex with consenting legal girls and stop being a fucking paedo rapist. Mongs

The police should start talking these things more seriously.
Agreed on the rest tho

"People need to start going to the police and reporting these sick fucks."

i feel like we should all know by now that cops in the states are good for pretty much fucking nothing

lol okay

jwt155 going to bat for the cops again. how do those boots taste my man?

As long as the girls aren't black they should be ok

whats with the people saying theres no reason for adults to be in this kind of music, maybe they like making the music? lets not say all pop punk/metalcore/whatever bands are sick fucks who are only in it for underage girls.

"As long as the girls aren't black they should be ok"

joke aside there it still doesn't matter since cops don't care to pursue such cases, and there's no funding or interest in actually testing rape kits when assaults do happen. You are very much better off just getting the boys together and having batting practice with the guy's knees.

Thread is a dumpster fire as per usual. Good job, guys.

Always love the fact that these threads bring out the dumbest motherfuckers on this god damn website. [2]

sometimes it even includes the mods. fortunately there hasn't been any victim-blaming itt yet.

Thread is a dumpster fire as per usual. Good job, guys. [2]

i can't tell you how much i was looking forward to entering this thread and seeing moral outrage feigned by people who 5'd Science Fiction

i only 4.5d Science Fiction. i have a very harsh .5 point tax for any album done by a rapist thank you

"i can't tell you how much i was looking forward to entering this thread and seeing moral outrage feigned by people who 5'd Science Fiction"

Pos'd

Y'all pieces of shit are telling on yourselves itt

Shitty people that hide behind being ''changed'' and ''people of god'' make me sick

god is shit

Apparently this guy once attempted suicide.
Shame he botched that one.

This guy is a piece of crap and deserves to rot in jail, but look at the bright side, I will probably write my 1000th comment today.

Don't waste it on a rapist from a shit band

I'm afraid I'm not an expert on decency, I 5ed the entire Black Veil Brides discography yesterday.

One big oof to-go

Okay, I just skip the comments and wanna know one thing: The guy with this fucking rare pain syndrome is religious? I mean, you're genetically fucked from birth and you still believe "oh yeah, there is Jesus and God and everything they do is good"?

Anyway, best treatment for this dick is probably to ensure that he lives as long as possible suffering from his sickness

Is it really surprising that Touche Amore refused to play Warped Tour because they didn't approve of the misogynistic nature of the bands that played?

Who reckons that Snide would be defending Carlile if he was still here?

almost guaranteed

commenting just because i'm a pessimist and want to see it in my discussions for the next six months

Metalcore strikes again

Thankfully real Metalcore bands like Converge, Poison the Well, Shai Halud and Misery Signals are as far removed from the Warped Tour variety of Metalcore as you can get

"When you turn to a higher power, it usually means other mortals can't stand you."

Genericore strikes again [2]

saw something like this coming for any band that sounds like them

warped tour groomers

sounds like the dude plays this part about being religious as a smokescreen tbh

I swear he's had allegations before

I wouldn't begrudge you for confusing him with another guy

my ex banged this guy lol. which is surprising given she was in her 20s at the time which seems way too old for this piece of shit

hope she gave him a std

[2]

wow yall willing to sacrifice reich for this guy

Naw, there's definitely a ton of predators (adtr bassist, ptv drummer, Craig Owens, Jonny Craig) but I remember an allegation coming out because of the person's renewed faith or whatever so that's why it sounds similar. It mightve been attack attack?

Nope, not his first accusation. https://wolves-atmydoor.tumblr.com/post/103181855776/austin-carlile-rape-acusations

Also poison the well played at warped tour. So does EtID. Theyre just better than most of their peers #notallcorebands

hahaha I just know her and her friend were invited on their tour bus after a show and did a lot of coke and a lot of butt sucking

How much of it do you attribute to availability?

Ain't no chicks at a blackened death metal show, but plenty at Warped.

I saw a lesbian couple at a Slaughter to Prevail show once. Only two girls in the entire crowd it seemed

Used to have a friend who was SUPER into this guy when she was in college. Almost curious on what her thoughts are.

I’ve heard of rumors about this guy before. Sucks that it took so long to get out.

the biggest question here is: how did he even have fans

FIFTEEN!? Obviously one is already fucked up beyond reason but 15!? How did he get away with it for long enough to do that?? Damn man. What a POS.

another core dude being a serial predator? no /s

hope the dude catches a brick what a pos

'I mean it was also what people have been bred to believe for decades leading up to this: sex, drugs and rock & roll. It's not like this music scene was any less resemblant of classic rock bands prior. Artists like Bowie, Aerosmith, the Stones and plenty of other bands had groupies with underage women and commited acts regularly that would be considered heinous by today's standards.

But yes, the Warped Tour scene had a very molesty feel to it all.'

bump, whole music industry idolises people like Bowie and this is what you get

'I mean it was also what people have been bred to believe for decades leading up to this: sex, drugs and rock & roll. It's not like this music scene was any less resemblant of classic rock bands prior. Artists like Bowie, Aerosmith, the Stones and plenty of other bands had groupies with underage women and commited acts regularly that would be considered heinous by today's standards.

But yes, the Warped Tour scene had a very molesty feel to it all.'

bump, whole music industry idolises people like Bowie and this is what you get

Apparently these allegations aren't new and he's never adressed them in the past. If multiple people are giving similar accounts it's safe to say he's a fucking rapist scumbag.

Saw this comment on a reddit thread which details every account --old and new-- plus reactions from his former band members from both Of Mice & Men and Attack! Attack!

"This is the most unsurprising news ever. I was on tour with Attack Attack and a band called In Fear and Faith in 2008. Not only did Austin sleep with probably a dozen underage girls throughout a few weeks, he also tried to sleep with the gfs of INFAF. Anyone in the scene that is claiming they never witnessed anything, or that it was just a rumor, is a bold face liar. This has been known for years. I could list you probably 20 other guys that are in the same boat as Austin. It’s fucking disgusting."

Dude is straight up veering into Ian Watkins levels of behaviour.

That's disgusting

(Pretends to be shocked)

The first wave of metalcore and post-hxc was an artistic movement. The second was an exploitation, a reaction to how many troubled teenage girls were attached to the scene. So none of this is surprising. Everyone is suspect.

“Dude is straight up veering into Ian Watkins levels of behaviour.”

He’s fucked up, but not “give your infant son meth and suck his dick for me” levels of fucked up.

How do these people sleep at night

u ain't had to go into the details again goddamn

AP director released a statement about their involment.

https://www.altpress.com/news/alternative-press-austin-carlile-story-statement/

I feel although they do raise some fair points about the moving of Journalism into a more politicised and Socially Active post-Journalism, they are not Politico or anything the like of a investigative news outlet, regardless, If anything they could´ve alerted the pertinent authorities to look into the matter if they felt so incapable of using the statements and witness accounts they had to begin with.

As for AC, 15 rape allegations are not something you stumbble your way in, it is unveliebably disingenous to think there might not be some creedence to at least some of them, and even if it were only one, one is serious enough to at least ADDRESS IT.

As for the whole "Warped was rapey" most def some bands never participated in the allegations that others are involved in, I´ve been in bands and I have played in gigs with people of "cuestionable" behaviour, its not fair to put them on that boat, BUT it is also reasonable to say that, by no will of their own, they might have put some of their fans at risk by choosing to play shows with these people, its a tough bullet to bite, sort of speak.

/Mytwocents

"He’s fucked up, but not “give your infant son meth and suck his dick for me” levels of fucked up."

A pedophile rapist is a pedophile rapist, no matter how you slice it.

Sounds like a really shitty cake.

a comment from the first of monsters and men album review:

"im a big fan of Austin. he was kicked out of AA! cuz he drank and partied with girls.. and since he was the only one in the band old enough to do so, they got butthurt and kicked him out."

hmmm

That did not age well lol

Some of the mental gymnastics itt are mind boggling.

Bring back MXTABS 2k20

"im a big fan of Austin. he was kicked out of AA! cuz he drank and partied with girls.. and since he was the only one in the band old enough to do so, they got butthurt and kicked him out."

I don't know how you found this but god damn that's hilarious. It was right under our noses this whole time.

lmao shit, just realizing i've written two reviews for om&m

Oof Spirit. Hide that shit.

hahaaha

honestly if one of these bands hasn't transitioned into hard rock/alt rock by their 30's/40's a la b4mv/a7x/linkin park etc even tho the music still blows then I'm looking at em funny

See Keyblade gets it

Never seen anyone write b4mv in my life.

Sounds like key isn’t a true bfmv fan.

Burn the witch!

"a comment from the first of monsters and men album review: " the indie pop band lol

Are you mad online, indifferent, or happy that your name has now become synonymous with a weeb around these parts?

Mr. Emeritus.

I’ve been reduced to a Rickyism for a weeb and yeah I’m about to get a suicide-BINGO yes

@ghostbird: source?

Accurate username please contribute to improving it by logging out forever.

so no link then, just beta male snark

This is just all hilarious

castration should be the punishment for this shit.

It's alarming how everyone is so quick to sever this man's head on a silver platter. This is the first time I ever heard a bad thing about Austin. So, out of "15 allegations of rape," I've seen over hundreds of posts about him "saving people's lives" or just doing acts of kindness throughout the years. And what's even more alarming, after trying to research this, there is absolutely no sources. I'd be more than happy to look into it, but send me some legitimate fucking evidence, and until then, let him have his due process.

agreed, this is really just a case of he said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said she said.

yeah and why would we listen when there's 15 shes saying the exact same thing amirite let's believe the famous man in metalcore band, boom owned the femininists!!

He’s saved lives with his music guys. There’s no way this can be true!

"I'm getting the feeling this is just teens he fucked wanting retribution after thinking they were gonna date him"

well that's a relief!

So, out of "15 allegations of rape," I've seen over hundreds of posts about him "saving people's lives" or just doing acts of kindness throughout the years.

people saying that he has done good stuff too are the same Hydranencephalitic twats that think that just cause Dennis Rader was a church leader meant that he didnt murder 10 folks

Also, some yall sound like you personally know the guy.

So, out of "15 allegations of rape," I've seen over hundreds of posts about him "saving people's lives" or just doing acts of kindness throughout the years.

https://www.sputnikmusic.com/images/members/1165314.jpg

sounds like you're on the wrong website bud, you could make it big as a youtube partner by pandering to alpha males whilst praising beta-tier swancore

thatusersucks

He's saved lives with his music? The 20 second of material I've ever heard from this band nearly cost me mine...

"The 20 second of material I've ever heard from this band nearly cost me mine..."

Word

Don't be such a dramatic bish.

anti-vax holier than thou cunt likes kids, how is this shocking at all

xDDDdd

edit: bye comments

I like how the only thing you took from my comment was that one sentence. I even put "saving lives" in quotations because I don't necessarily agree with it. But god forbid you have enough common sense to combat my other contentions like evidence and due process.

I'm not on Austin's side, but I remember pretty vividly during the peak of his success, genuine interactions with his fans. And when he was diagnosed with that self attacking auto immune disease, he became an advocate for it. He gave back to his community. So, if he were in a court of law right now, these are the things his attorney and the JUDGE would be looking at.

It's disturbing the lack of self defense he is getting, I understand 15 is a whopping number, but as easy as it is to accuse him, the easier it is in this society for the lack of punishment of false accusers. Like I said, send me links to their stories. I'd be more than happy to look at them.

I couldn’t care less about this band or Austin, and yes I believe in innocent until proven guilty. But this shits been floating around for years, so this isn’t the first time it’s came up by any means. Not saying he’s 100% guilty, but most signs are pointing to that he is. Feel free to keep defending him, you’re just gonna be in the minority here.

saving lives

when he screamed 'eeeeeee oh"
i untangled my noose

😔👊

"He gave back to his community. So, if he were in a court of law right now, these are the things his attorney and the JUDGE would be looking at."

please don't be mean to my client your honor, he did charity one time he's a good boi owo

@thatbandsucks: court of public opinion is not the same as the court of law my guy, and as such i will continue to say, you dont stumble your way into this ammount of allegations, over the years, for nothing.

Yeah I’m usually in the “wait for some proof beyond just accusations” camp, but these allegations have been lurking just beneath the surface for long enough that I’m the accusers’ side here.

This was a fun read

Good of you to side with the victims in this one instance, TheGreatQ.

lol

"I'm not on Austin's side, but I remember pretty vividly during the peak of his success, genuine interactions with his fans. And when he was diagnosed with that self attacking auto immune disease, he became an advocate for it. He gave back to his community. So, if he were in a court of law right now, these are the things his attorney and the JUDGE would be looking at."

lmfao

judge's be like, self attacking auto immune diseases

"I'm not on Austin's side, but I remember pretty vividly during the peak of his success, genuine interactions with his fans. And when he was diagnosed with that self attacking auto immune disease, he became an advocate for it. He gave back to his community. So, if he were in a court of law right now, these are the things his attorney and the JUDGE would be looking at."

You must be one of those people who think Brock Turner is just a swell guy.

one of the funniest comments ive read in a long long time

that has to be snide

Honestly shocked Snide hasn’t posted anything on Facebook about this

Gotta change your name to badsitebaduserbase now.

Like I said before, falsely accusing people is a despicable crime that goes unpunished. In these particular cases, we see myriads of screenshots of these assailants soliciting from minors. There's none of that here. From my own experience, during the heyday of his career, I've seen countless videos and photos of him being a swell guy. Sorry I refuse to be a part the side of anecdotal nonsense. Did it cross your mind that AP refuse to post the article because it just so happen the victims had some serious contradictions in their stories?

AP literally said they didn’t post it due to legal pressure from Carlile.

Lol why is anyone defending Austin?

This shit has been known for years.

They would be committing career suicide if they admit that the victims didn't have a case with their predominately hippie audience. And releasing a bombshell story with a weak case would leave them wide open for a slander lawsuit. They literally had no good way out of it if my theory is correct.

You guys can continue to shit on me all you want because the only thing you guys are capable of doing is dishing out ad hominems. I understand this is a sensitive issue, and it's annoying that I have to keep reiterating that I'm not on Austin's side, but I can't stay quiet when the only life this allegation has is anecdotal.

u want dna evidence or something

Text messages, voice memos, police reports, for christ sakes he's toured with bands for a decade so witnesses would be cool, oh and the pure outrage of the parents of these kids who would march straight to the FBI for much needed investigation instead of going to social media

Just admit you hate women, you incel fuck

just admit you youre devoid of logic

I refrained from insulting people, you guys apparently did the opposite. You guys refrained from civil discourse and made yourselves look bad in the process. I just want justice for either party. I don't want an innocent man's life to be ruined and I also want justice for the innocence taken away from the poor young fans. But before I make a decision, I will wait this out.

You made yourself look bad the entire thread. So take your rape apologist bullshit back to the sewers from which you came.

I actually did not. Feel free to point to the part where you dismantled either one of my contentions. Oh, wait...

I don't need to "dismantle your contentions" when it's literally been done the entire thread, but you won't quit. You'd rather take the side of a pedophile rapist rather than expressing any sort of empathy and humanity. Is OM&M and their vocalist really worth going to bat for and performing mental gymnastic after mental gymnastic? Last time I checked, they were a piece of shit band with a piece of shit singer being defended by a piece of shit user.

has anyone copy pasted thatbandsucks' 5s yet?

The fact that you would bring your opinion of the band into the argument just shows how stupid you are. I have complete empathy for everyone involved in the situation. Getting taken advantage of by your idol as a young fan is tragic and deplorable. The only lack of empathy I see here is you. There's two sides of this coin, and a man's reputation being completely destroyed by a potential conspiring of people who dislike him is also immoral.

Just log the fuck out if you're gonna keep apologizing for a pedophile. A pedophile who has been known for this behavior for over a decade, a pedophile that has FIFTEEN accusers, a pedophile who has also been accused by other band members within the scene, a pedophile who somehow silenced AP from running the original story, and a pedophile who's being defended by a piece of shit user.

@JesperL he also 1'ed Straight Outta Compton

Yup quickly turn the thread into my musical taste because your rhetoric sucks. and this is coming from someone whose 5's is compiled half of numetal acts

serious question.. Sig other or chocolate starfish?

I take no stock in anyone who has BFMV 5'ed. I could swear you were snide. Either way, fuck you.

lmao you can't admit that The Poison is an important innovative album while having korn in your 5s

but in all seriousness.. what is your opinion on five finger death punch's cover of the offspring?

and for the record, do you think SOAD will ever have a comeback? These are very important questions

How big of a miscue was 'Life Starts Now' by Three Days Grace? Will they ever recover and find themselves back in spotlight?

The first two Korn albums are better than any release by BFMV, those are just facts, I don't make the rules. And your "trolling" of my 5's is moot when yours are terrible. They're also moot because you're a piece of shit.

How vital is Brian Head Welch to Korn?

Will Jon Davis ever cut his hair to a respectable length?

There's just no getting through to you, thatusersucks

Will casual rock listeners ever figure out that 'Savior' by Rise Against is not The Offspring? I need your hot take to these important questions

What exactly is Stone Sour? Is it a side project or a legitimate band. And what's with that Looking At You Through The Glass song? He sings the prechorus like 6 times before he gets to the chorus. Or is the chorus actually a bridge? It's very distracting

How long are your arms to make such great reaches? You're literally deflecting from every single thing that everyone, including myself, have said to you. It was fun to shit on you initially, but now it's just kind of sad. So with that, I ain't got time for your shit, son. I'll check back later when you're getting shitted on by everyone else.

Lastly, you already know my hot take. It's you're a piece of shit, which really isn't so much as a hot take, as it is a fact. Later, kidfucker.

this is a lot

Dude cool down. You are being straight vile. I actually started researching, and I stumbled across the statement AA! wrote about him a long ass time ago, and it actually rings a bell. I would be more than happy to support this if the members of AA! came out a re collaborate it. Also, I saw in this thread a statement from someone in In Fear and Faith? Can someone send me a link? I can't find anything about it

But the good thing about the internet, is that this story will probably explode, which will lead to testimonies. There's gonna be endless youtubers putting this in the spotlight

u still here?

thatbandsucks, I'm using my 1000th comment to tell you to taste my legendary scrotum.
You should feel honored, it's a privilege.

rather sad actually

agreed

“ Like I said before, falsely accusing people is a despicable crime that goes unpunished. In these particular cases, we see myriads of screenshots of these assailants soliciting from minors. There's none of that here. From my own experience, during the heyday of his career, I've seen countless videos and photos of him being a swell guy. Sorry I refuse to be a part the side of anecdotal nonsense. Did it cross your mind that AP refuse to post the article because it just so happen the victims had some serious contradictions in their stories?”

lmfao its absolutely hilarious how you keep completely missing the reason why i found your comments funny

“I saw a video of this guy being nice so he definitely couldn’t do anything bad” - a very stupid user

"the judge would take it into consideration"

this is probably the biggest user self-implosion i've ever seen on sput lmfao omg

why the fuck is it so hard for shitty men to believe survivors

to spare us the arguments: he's gonna say that he's not doubting the survivors, but wants to give austin a fair chance, the dude's also been spotted doing good things at times (?), idk

give it a rest buddy, you're not getting anywhere, is it really worth the effort?

like, even if you had a point, is this really your audience?

also the guy hasn't been in the band for four years, neither the fans nor the fucking current members give a shit what will happen next

if you're trying to say that you're for reformative justice you're doing a really really bad job at it

believing in rehabilitation is nice, but rehabilitation without justice at all sounds... odd to me, idk

"Text messages, voice memos, police reports, for christ sakes he's toured with bands for a decade so witnesses would be cool"

don't see how that's any more credible than the testimony of 15 different ppl apart from the fact that we conveniently don't have these things at the moment

jesus christ this thread :o

"It's disturbing the lack of self defense he is getting, I understand 15 is a whopping number, but as easy as it is to accuse him, the easier it is in this society for the lack of punishment of false accusers. Like I said, send me links to their stories. I'd be more than happy to look at them"

what would be the benefits to falsely accusing a d-list ex-metalcore vocalist like austin, you absolute traffic cone?

ending the collective torture that is his music career

15 ppl got together to ruin the career of some dude who already retired from music, this makes perfect sense

it's already over! he's resigned from d-list metalcore vocalist to a-tier costa rica residing preacher weirdo or some shit

"who already retired from music"

wasn't retired when the allegations were first made

"a-tier costa rica residing preacher weirdo"

that's... even worse

"wasn't retired when the allegations were first made"

that's true, but still doesn't change the fact nobody was after this man b/c they thought they would get some kind of significant financial payment/iota of clout from accusing him

agreed

...and even if it was about clout, it makes no sense to make it resurface after so many years, since the dude is irrelevant now

nah hes a good guy he does acts of kindness bro dont you understand this makes no sense

c'mon guys he signed my suddenly came suddenly poster in '09, he's a real stand up guy

judges take that into consideration

"The defendant, Mr. Carlisle, has no proven history of violent behavior, loves kids, and has ties to the community through his assistance in the invention of crabcore. Therefore, we believe that these charges are baseless."

If he is officially charged, i hope the charges stick stickly.

"He's saved countless lives according to unverifiable internet posts, your honor, which we all know is indisputable admissible evidence."

“Through a large combing of YouTube comments we’ve found that the defendants lyrics have spoken and resonated with a large number of users. As you know anything on the internet is true so the defendant must be a great guy. We consider this an open and shut case your honor.”

Guys stop he’s already dead

so is thatbandsucks snide or

I’d like to think he is but we’ll probably never know.

On a side note I’m surprised snide never came back. I was so sure he would returning to promote another 37 albums.

"Accused' let's treat him as guilty until proven innocent

oh boy here we go again

there's no need for that he's already been proven innocent after footage surfaced of him donating to a food bank

lmao

i know it's a joke but we don't even have that footage

He said hi to me once at Warped he truly is a good person

Lol I just don't get why people immediately condemn others with zero evidence. People are wrongfully accused of shit all the time

Always gyro

gyro desperately posturing for the time when he tards out and rapes some girl and needs an excuse

What if it happened to you. What if you were accused of something like this and everyone immediately judged you for it? Bet your ass you'd be whining that it's unfair

yeah itd be super unfair if i got judged for 15 different women accusing me of something

Gyro rollin up itt with some galaxy-brained takes as per usual

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cSmSKUazew

Why do you keep coming back

It's alarming how everyone is so quick to sever this man's head on a silver platter. This is the first time I ever heard a bad thing about Austin. So, out of "15 allegations of rape," I've seen over hundreds of posts about him "saving people's lives" or just doing acts of kindness throughout the years.

Needed to know when the release date for the new Static X album is

Considering there are 3 "Nu-Metal" albums by only 2 bands in my 5's, you're really grasping at straws. Perhaps you should grasp that left click on the log out button.

the thing is gyro is that i don't prey on underage girls and get a reputation for being extremely sketchy well before this came to light, that you think 15 people would just randomly come out with similar stories based on no previous understanding is rather telling of your inability to read logically into situations without being blinded by ill-placed emotional reactions, as has been demonstrated numerous times by now. perhaps this is paranoia inflicted from some personal actions maybe? what dark skeletons have you got hiding in your closet

thatbandsucks is just a gyro alt under the guise of snide-isms

Remember how Snide still listened to BOTDF even though Dahvie assaulted a person he personally knows?

YDG'n

whattt

them crunkcore beats were hitting that hard huh

Yeah his logic was "Jayy Von Monroe" is why he enjoys them

But like, still

Of all the sput users Snide was without a doubt one of them

"Considering there are 3 "Nu-Metal" albums by only 2 bands in my 5's, you're really grasping at straws. Perhaps you should grasp that left click on the log out button."

I'm sorry but if your counter argument to him is to attack his taste in music then what's the point in anyone debating with you?

Lol Sinternet musicians have been accused so many times in the past. Not a blemish on their record and rhen someone comes forward and then, oh wow, more and more people come forward. It's because they all suddenly got the courage to do so, right? No way could it be an easy target to make some quick $. Maybd the guy is guilty as fuck, I'm just remarking on Sputnik users' general mindset of "guilty until proven innocent"

lmao

yeah, I believe his opening argument to me was "just admit you hate women, incel" so maybe criticizing my music taste was a better strategy

gonna go after a piece of that costa rican youth baseball coach salary and then split it 15 ways. easy money

little side note, if you want this story to have the slightest validity, then fix the links in the article to where it doesn't send you to the middle of nowhere

"I'm sorry but if your counter argument to him is to attack his taste in music then what's the point in anyone debating with you?"

Did you even read anything before that, or did you use selectivism like you always do? Glad to see that you're still a piece of shit as well.

"yeah, I believe his opening argument to me was "just admit you hate women, incel" so maybe criticizing my music taste was a better strategy"

Well, you also never refuted it as well. So...

Cry harder

You can't refute an insult you dipshit. Are you 12?

you can refute anything if you can provide a substantive basis, so if you're struggling with that one semantics aren't exactly your top priority :]

Austin is not a rapist! I've seen pictures of him signing autographs!

I mean is there a reason to engage petulant children like coldheaven when they literally just throw out insults any time you disagree with them?

"Not a blemish on their record and rhen someone comes forward and then, oh wow, more and more people come forward. It's because they all suddenly got the courage to do so, right? No way could it be an easy target to make some quick $"

also i hope you have a dog bc i wanna mix this level of contrarianism into its food until it dies of blood poisoning or whatever and time whether this takes longer or shorter than it does for society to realise that these accusations are humiliating and socially disadvantageous to make *regardless of their persumed veracity*

You want to kill my dog. Gotcha.

"I mean is there a reason to engage petulant children like coldheaven when they literally just throw out insults any time you disagree with them?"

It's not an insult when it's fact. You've proven yourself time and time again that you're in the upper echelon of shitstains.

Lol how can you claim that's humiliating after writing something that nonsensical

i'm pretty sure i've disagreed with coldheaven in plenty of threads (not sure how vocally) and have never once been insulted so, uh, i guess that's a refutation?

gyro have you ever read about the experience of proven sexual assault survivors making accusations or, better still, met any irl? it ain't the kinda stuff that invites Acktual Motivation armchair conjecture

BREAKING: Gyro ambiguously confirms one of carlile's accusers to be georgia maq; decides now is the time to throw his hat into the incel fire 300 comments deep into a sputnikmusic thread

I know people who are victims of rape, and I know 1 person who was accused of rape which was found to be a lie. Point is I tell people to be more objective. People like colsheaven who can't think for themselves get into this witch hunt mentality any time someone disagrees with the general consensus or doesn't immediately crucify someone who's been accused of something which sets a dangerous precedent. If everyone thought like that guy anecdotal evidence would be accepted as fact

well gyro how do you know those people aren't just lying to you? were you there? do you have proof?

ok, but the only objective claim anyone can really make on these is that there is a systemic disadvantage against those reporting rape cases, both in terms of action on the part of the justice dept and in terms of media exposure, especially since right-leaning outlets pander to largely false narratives such as your $ insinuation. not sure how you can type out "Point is I tell people to be more objective" with a straight face off the back of that

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/tables/table-25

Gyro is on to something here, all 15 of these witches are going through this humiliating process so they can strike the big chedz. Austin Carliles massive networth makes him easy prey, if they took him for every penny and split it 15 ways they could make almost 70 grand each! They'll never have to work another day in their next 12 months!

"and I know 1 person who was accused of rape which was found to be a lie"

By 15 people?

Also you do know that he isnt guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of the law right? So all this whining is literally just about the fact that having 15 people accuse you of rape is a bad look.

bro the only way that you can truly stand behind your sociopathic point of view whilst claiming to know rape survivors is if YOU are their rapist


you can't just cherrypick which survivors to believe

are this band good enough for the dude to get a reduced sentence in consideration of his future prospects?

Lol are you fucking kidding me? This shit explodes in the media any time there's a case that goes to trial and everyone already has their mind made up before any evidence is presented, if any can be. And that's another thing: lack of evidence in most cases + no priors... Is that a failing on the justice department? Are you suggesting they lock them up regardless?

And like I said guy might be guilty af, I just know any time anything like this comes up on Sputnik the hivemind mentality is "burn the fucker"

are you implying that exploding in the media either entails a positive experience for the accuser or a historical precedented feeling of sympathy in courts?

please explain why you expect the mechanics of consent to be reliably evidenced in a way transparently comprehensible to any jury in the same way as, say, a robbery caught on cctv.