The shape of cyberpunk to come

it had to be said

That doesn't seem like a very punk thing to do.

Guessing Refused is hard up for some cash

William Gibson trashed this game hard, along with most of the OG cyberpunks. Not interested honestly

neat! rly boring song but still, neat.

Bloc with the goods itt

"William Gibson trashed this game hard, along with most of the OG cyberpunks. Not interested honestly"

who gives a shit? stephen king said the shining movie was ass and he was (and continues to be) dead wrong. cd projekt red is one of the best devs for world building and so much more. ridiculously generous and passionate people, seems kind of dumb to write off their new project based on some alpha footage and mostly cinematic trailers.

song's pretty boring

wow this is textbook uninspired, and I'm one of the ones that loved Freedom

I listened to it without knowing it was Refused and thought "This sounds a lot like NYHC"
It all makes sense now. Not that Refused are NYHC, but they certainly been influenced byit.

"stephen king said the shining movie was ass and he was (and continues to be) dead wrong."

I mean he's right, The Shining movie actively destroys everything that made the book frightening, emotional, impactful, etc. The film is just a nicely directed but critically crappy horror story that is deliberately nonsensical. It ruins the source material for some pathetic sense of artistic ego. It's a garbage film for garbage people.

And Cyberpunk will probably be a good game but I have no doubt that CDProjektRed have no clue what the genre is actually about. Everything they've said so far shows a vital misunderstanding of the genres themes and messaging, instead taking blanket aesthetic elements and giving the wrong emphasis to the wrong points they want to make, especially their misunderstanding of how transhumanism is supposed to be represented. They're extremely tone deaf. Still, game will be fun as hell.

tell us how you really feel

The Shining is my favourite book and I have a lot of mixed feelings about Stanley Kubrick and, especially, his poor adaptation of that book

Cyberpunk has been dead for over 20 years, and it has been reduced to absolutely nothing past being a cheap retroism. If anything were to somehow resurrect the radical spirit of its critique of capitalism and life under neoliberalism, it certainly wouldn't be a AAA game with Keanu Reeves.

I don't agree that cyberpunk is necessarily dead, not when Blade Runner 2049 came out in the last few years and was perfect, though I do agree that a AAA game with Keanu Reeves is probably not what the genre needs to progress, especially in the clumsy narrative hands of CDProjektRed

The Shining movie does suck. And ill never understand people complaining about something not adhering to what the genre it belongs to is "supposed" to be about. make it about what you want it to be about, as long as it works.

"As long as it works" being the operative statement, the genre of cyberpunk having some pretty strict bars on what makes it work

Nah, sounds like you just have boring, stay-in-the-box standards.

Get his ass Adolf

Lol

Look the problem with comparing the film and the book is that they're different mediums. I think it's fine that Kubrick strayed from the source material, in fact I encourage it. If Kubrick had set out to turn Stephen King's The Shining into a film he would have been doomed from the start because the viewer would always be comparing it in his mind to the book. Instead he made Stanley Kubrick's The Shining which is a hell of a film, perhaps not the masterpiece 2001: A Space Odyssey is but still one jaw-dropping, feverish flick. It's haunting and gruelingly slow - giving the viewer his own taste of cabin fever as he squirms in his seat waiting for something worthwhile to happen. And does it pay off? Let's just say if a sea of blood flowing out of an open elevator in slow motion is the last thing I see before I die, well, listening to this godawful Refused song may have been worth it.

"It's haunting and gruelingly slow"

Did we watch the same The Shining? The last thing I'd call it is "slow".

god I hope they remake Wild, Wild West

honestly should have come back for the one cross country tour then called it quits for good

freedom was ass

Track's alright but gimme the game

I know when a band like Refused and ATDI go out on landmark albums and then come back to release meh records, it's such a letdown

Pretty terrible.

"William Gibson trashed this game hard, along with most of the OG cyberpunks. Not interested honestly"

i mean cyberpunk wasn't always just about the aesthetic. still yet to be seen how cyberpunky it is tbh. plus it's an AAA game with "punk" in the title so yh

still hyped

"especially their misunderstanding of how transhumanism is supposed to be represented. "

yh lol. the pomos are readying their machetes

lol the shining book is good but the movie shits on it. hard.

This song is unbelievably lifeless

I remember when I thought the shining book was better.

You remember when you were right then, good times, eh?

stephen king is a mediocre author

the shining movie is far better than the book

The movie that Stephen king hates?

who cares? once an artist releases their work to the world they lose all creative licence over what they've done. If someone translates it over to film and makes it better, they should stop crying about it.

What do you like better the movie by Stanley Kubrick or Stephen King’s mini series?

the movie by far. there will never ever be as good as a director as kubrick again

I agree. 2001 a space odyssey is my absolute favorite movie. Wish he didn’t pass away.

It wasnt improved on though, so what youre saying is King had a reason to cry about it.

Song sounds like it's in slow motion. Old guys can't make good aggressive music.

lmao only Sputnik could turn a Refused article into a thread about Kubrick

"Old guys can't make good aggressive music."

Well that was a retarded and demonstrably false thing to say.

Prove it.

The book and the movie are two different beasts irregardless. King can throw all the hissy fits he wants about the film lacking the book's "emotional core" or whatever but its hardly an adaptation and much more interesting as a result.

And this thread, off topic as it is, is nevertheless exponentially more interesting than the song.

Everything about the bandwagon for this game so far, including this, has made me less and less interested in the hype. Will maybe play it but fuck me, they'd better drop some good gameplay footage in the immediate future.

"irregardless"

"old people make good aggressive music"

The riffs here are pretty lean, but they pull them off with all the energy of a chef making fries at McDonalds

But I do agree, Kubrick's vision and interpretation of the novel is fantastic. In my opinion, better than the source material

Are you in high school, ghost? Youre always talking about old people. Anyways, Neurosis, Modern Life Is War (are they "old" to you?), not the biggest Cannibal Corpse fan but Torture fucked pretty hard, Aura Noir, Darkthrone, and on and on and on.

I think he’s trying to convey that when you’re an older band, figuratively speaking, you lack the initial raw energy and aggression from earlier releases.. it can sound so forced and manufactured.

they should have brought Attack Attack back so Keanu Reeves could perform Stick Stickly instead, way more aggressive, young and hip

for real though this song didn't really do anything for me

What beefshoes said.

Remind me, how old was Jeffrey Eaton in 2005?

Theyre in their 30s, my dear child.

Remind me, how old was Jeffrey Eaton in 2005?

“they should have brought Attack Attack back so Keanu Reeves could perform Stick Stickly instead”

This, but unironically

I agree with ghost here tbh, there's a difference between heavy and aggressive. When you talk about aggressive, it should mean angry, fresh and vivid. Those who have been heavy since they started lack the ability to show aggression or show a new level of it as they grow more into their careers.

+1 to invader as well

"In the game, the band plays the role of the fictional band Samurai, whom Canadian actor Keanu Reeves' character is a member of." Oh dear...

Song's completely ass lol

Johnny I’m kinda with you, I love Keanu but this game is looking more and more corny

ya, probably just going to wait until the game comes out to decide if its good or not, rather than argue over assumptions, but thats just me.....

I will bet any of you that it gets a 90+ on Metacritic.

I would be surprised if CDProjeckt Red fucks this up. I'm betting it gets overwhelmingly positive reviews, with a small vocal minority who don't like the genre or have issues with how the gameplay mechanics operate constantly bitching and exaggerating about how awful it is. Like Witcher 3.

they don't have a huge track record and haven't done an fps before, but given how good everyone said Witcher 3 was, i'd be hard-pressed to assume they couldn't handle it.

one thing's for certain.. Cyberpunk 2077 will be infinitely better than Anthem

i mean witcher 3 was kinda corny


but yh probably works better with fantasy

Agreed hard, the Witcher 3's framing worked most of its corniess its favour. Cannot see this happening the same way for an 'edgy' game that supposedly resonates with our current social/political climate, but I'm up for being proved wrong...

The Witcher 3 is very charming
This game is growing increasingly less so

Not saying it’s definitively bad or anything tho since, ya know, I haven’t played it

"resonates with our current social/political climate"

*rolls eyes to the very back of my head*

How about we play the actual fucking game when it arrives before shit talking it down to the maximum degree? Christ, this is exactly why I hate gaming community sometimes.

Lmao people sharing their opinions on the tone of the game and some of y’all are acting personally offended Jesus

That was exactly my point lol, theres no point.

I've never been a fan of the Witcher, gameplay is not suited to my tastes and couldn't get engrossed enough in the story to make up for that unfortunately. However I've liked everything I've seen of this so far. It looks kinda Watch Dogs with a more mature and serious tone. Of course, we all know the greatest game ever that hasn't come out yet will be Beyond Good & Evil 2 though.

Nah greatest game that will come out is the RDR2 Remake in 10 years.

don't care about the game but what a dull song

The Last of Us II is gonna be the swan song for this gen.

Easily

"*rolls eyes to the very back of my head*"

Read the interviews/articles on this, it's v evident and v concerted

Death Stranding, losers.

Death Stranding has so much risk and so much potential, super super excited for that one too

witcher 3 is a top ten goat game imo, so i'm definitely pumped for this. also to the people who said beyond good and evil 2, last of us 2, and death stranding: yes. some of my most anticipated games for sure.

Can I scream?

Cyberpunk: Ice Cream

throw a rock in the machine

alita was so good, eh guys?

there is no haven for you here Gyro :-)

hope alita gets a sequel tbh

same. honestly it's the most enjoyable movie i've seen so far this year

this song is so bad lmaoooo

alita was fun and nice :]
def had some issues with it but yeah

what were your issues?

"William Gibson trashed this game hard, along with most of the OG cyberpunks. Not interested honestly"

Hmmmmm.. after some more videos and art from the game, Gibson backtracked on his first words about the game
He said this about the game after last year's gameplay video: "Looks *much* better to me than the earlier teaser. Has "dirt in the corners" texture."

And "especially in the clumsy narrative hands of CDProjektRed" -- what? What BS is this? All Witcher games have overall fantastic writing, one of the best in the biz with depth that modern Bioware or Bethesda are only dreaming about

^ this.

I don't particularly think Bioware or Bethesda are standouts in narrative either lol

There are very few games ever that I generally think are written well, tbh. The medium still largely has no idea how to implement story properly.

witcher 3 doesn't have that problem.

I disagree, but it's not like that benefits me. I'm extremely excited for Cyberpunk 2077, I wish I had more faith in their writers.

Worshipping corporations is the most cyperpunk thing you can do

"Old guys can't make good aggressive music."

Whores.

Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn. Now THAT was a damn fine game.

it's been several months since I watched alita, so I can't remember anything specific. I think I had some issues with the pacing, and some cheesy moments (many of which I liked, but not all). there's prob some more.

The romance subplot slowed the pacing a bit

RR is such a chump that I'm hesitant to involve myself in anything he does.

This thread is so weird. I expected people to be disappointed in this track but most people are arguing about The Witcher. lol

This track being dead is kinda a moot point, whereas the Witcher is apparently not lol

apparently?

I mean is there really much to discuss about a Refused track in 2019?
Witcher has way more talking points.

shit song by a one album wonder band for a cool game

I really wanted to hear the full track after I heard a snippet in the Keanu Reeves E3 trailer. The full song doesn't fully deliver on energy but apparently there are other tracks they did for the game which I'd like to hear.

Also I probably should've included in the article than in his IG post for this, Dennis confirmed a new Refused album which I believe is the first we've heard of it?

I mean I'll always check out their new stuff out of curiosity, but I don't expect much

"one album wonder" sorry man disagree hard, Fan the Flames of Discontent absolutely destroys

I've got a bone to pick with capitalism...
and a Chip to give

I think I romanticize TSoPtC too much if any action Refused has taken after that album cheapens that album's integrity to me

Game sucked