I thought they were said to be innocent a while ago

happy for them. the lady who falsified this should get punished. not fair to them at all

Nice to hear, I shall jam Spheres of Madness tonight to celebrate

Talk about a nightmare.

poor guys, glad they're back

Powerful statement, and i'm so glad they're back. Time to jam Blessed and the rest of Winds

Sounds like Thy Art Is Murder helped their case a lot too. Wonder if they’ll ever tour the US again.

This is great to hear. Really fucked up this happened to them in the first place, but it's great to hear they did not commit these accusations and that they are no longer in jail.

Fuck the #MeToo movement.

I wouldn't go that far. A lot of people are raped and a lot of cases are unreported.
However imo false accusations might be a bit more common than some people like to believe as well.

fuck a movement that's resulted in exposing high-profile sexual abuse scandals from people who have ruined other's lives, because one cunt decided to fake one for attention? that's retarded

#MeToo has done a lot more good than harm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9onauqdci_g

dede [2]

Right about the time Decapitated released Carnival Is Forever, they had the following Confucius proverb to welcome you to their website.

“Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall”

I think they should reinstate this saying permanently.

i'm glad they're cleared, but at the same time it's a shame that this kind of tainted their name ... once something like happens, there's always some kind of residual shit left over.

also, fuck, can this band get a break? car crashes, jail.... they deserve better

Yeah people don't know how to stop swinging to one side or the other.
It's almost like people don't legitimately care what is happening and they just want to reaffirm their own ideologies about rapists/rape victims/accusations.

Apparently these charges were cleared a month ago lmao, damn sput news slow.

@ sint. "fuck a movement that's resulted in exposing high-profile sexual abuse scandals from people who have ruined other's lives, because one cunt decided to fake one for attention? that's retarded"

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Can't believe I actually agree with you on something. But you're absolutely right.

'false accusations' are both more common and rarer than people believe. If you'd take the opinion from moronic basement dwellers, it's like 50/50 false and if not the women (or man) deserved it, if you take it from uppity middle-class lawyers and liberal politicians or random privileged suburban kids looking for a reason to feel oppressed then it's like one in a million.

yea sometimes ppl swing it too hard in the other direction that its actually stupid

Spokane WA? Lol that's like 2 hours from my house.

@ sint. "fuck a movement that's resulted in exposing high-profile sexual abuse scandals from people who have ruined other's lives, because one cunt decided to fake one for attention? that's retarded"

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my hot take™ on this:
fake accusations are rare when the accused is low profile because then it's true that there's nothing to be gained and a lot to lose, but when the accused is high profile, there's probably a bigger chance that the accuser is faking it, be it for money, notoriety, attention, etc.

people be crazy -- we've had fans attack or even stab members of their favorite bands (avril lavigne, maynard), threats of violence, borderline terrorist attacks (björk), etc

Anyway, on a semi-related tangent

I kind of always smelled something fishy about Gaza's breakup. The rest of the band jumped ship literally immediately after the allegations against Jon Parkin came to light. He was a preachy bitch sometimes and it seems like they all hated him in the first place, but the Gaza guys seemed to be so honor bound that they couldn't for one second stomach the idea of being tainted by this kind of thing, rather than try to figure out if the allegations were true or not. But don't get me wrong, I'm in no way suggesting that the allegations aren't true; Parkin didn't even decide to defend himself publicly, which says a lot.

ur logic is sound asdfp but dont forget some people are also just fuckin sociopaths or otherwise fucked in the head and wouldnt be above doing that just to fuck with people

also true, but still important to investigate when the evidence is solid enough to warrant it. The loss of having people be abused is too high not to care

absolutely

I wouldn't go so far as to say -nothing- to gain. Nothing financial maybe but there could be personal gain (ex: getting revenge over some real/perceived event that happened between the parties).

But I agree that low profile fake cases are likely extremely rare

Yes false accusers should be jailed. It’s a horribly fucked up thing to do to accuse someone of something that horrible if they didn’t do it. However if you think for a second doubting every person that comes out about this kind of thing isn’t an absolutely terrible thing to do you’re fucked in the head

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it just sucks that sometimes its enough to be accused of shit to lose a lot of credibility

and not just this but evne like companies getting accused of shady shit and even when they turn up clean on investigation the damage has alraedy been done

well, that's good

"I wouldn't go so far as to say -nothing- to gain. Nothing financial maybe but there could be personal gain (ex: getting revenge over some real/perceived event that happened between the parties)"

ah, also true. there have been cases of people accusing rape for something as petty as not wanting to change neighborhoods, etc.

i think the whole anti-rape movement would really benefit if they acknowledged that fake accusations do exist without grouching and with no under-the-breath refutations. It's useless, because obviously real cases of rape do exist (shocking). it's not the acknowledgement itself that's the problem, it's the attitude with which they say it

I hope that those presumptuous assholes from MetalSucks can take a minute from masturbating and read this.

lol metalsucks

"i think the whole anti-rape movement would really benefit if they acknowledged that fake accusations do exist without grouching and with no under-the-breath refutations. "

you mean the world would be a better place if people actually stopped to think and consider nuance and ramification, as opposed to the dichotomous radicalization accelerated by the internet and social media?

i agree man

lol metalsucks [2]

lol parksung

is true

Fuck the #MeToo movement. [2]

the problem is though is that a lot of these accusations stick because of the media, and to stop this getting traction (or at least the ones getting to court anyway) you somewhat have to restrict freedom of press. i know the american system is different (i mean y'all got televised courts which is an ethical dilemma in itself) but if access to the court and trials is restricted (it already is. but to a greater extent) then you end up going against not only the idea of a free and open justice system but a fair and public trial also.

the counterpoint to this is that the media (tabloids especially) are businesses in the end and will sensationalise to whatever lengths they legally can in order to gain readers and clicks - the accusation then becomes widespread and people are going to associate them with the accusation no matter the outcome. of course, in many cases (particularly high-profile ones: Saville, Harris etc.) this has resulted in more victims feeling comfortable enough to come forward and seek justice, so it's an extraordinarily difficult thing to really begin to not only remedy but understand.

oh god this chode is still making alts huh

Getting charges dropped doesn't mean innocent. There are dudes in that thread admitting to harassing people for saying they believed the victim, giving a bit of credence to the whole "they harassed her into dropping the charges" rumor that was going around. Some old guy even sent me a message request just so he could call me a retard after I called them out lol.

i agree sint

thats not surprising sadly, zaru, like i said some loons get really radicalized over the internet

gee, and people were wondering why i was saying its a good idea to reserve judgement until more facts and information come out instead of immediately believing the accuser.

"Parkin didn't even decide to defend himself publicly, which says a lot."

not really. theres no good way to defend yourself against that sort of accusation.

in the case of lower-profile accusations between ordinary members of the public, in the uk in the last couple of months we've had a couple of publicized trials collapse because of police investigators missing obvious evidence that woul clear the innocent defendant, but according to my cousin who's a fairly high-ranking investigator police funding has decreased massively over the last few years here and as such while these were inexcusable mistakes a lot of cases are being rushed because there isn't enough funding to hire the appropriate number of staff to complete investigations to a satisfactory level

"Parkin didn't even decide to defend himself publicly, which says a lot."

I am wrong about this. He did. My bad.

Zaru for whatever reason metal fans tend to be absolutely despicable way past an appropriate point to people that don’t agree with them, especially when it comes to the defense of bands they like. The closest thing I could say to it is those insane Bieber fans on Twitter that spam death threats but then they’re like 13 and the metal fans are grown men so

"gee, and people were wondering why i was saying its a good idea to reserve judgement until more facts and information come out instead of immediately believing the accuser."

To be fair, from what I remember, based on the facts that had come out it did look really bad for them at the time

"Getting charges dropped doesn't mean innocent."

so you're never innocent? do you always have to prove conclusively that you are 100% innocent without a doubt to get a pardon in the public eye?

do the accused but not convicted just not have rights anymore?

yea dude metal has some of the best but also some of the worst ppl

yea dude metal has some of the best but also some of the worst ppl [2]

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we have no reliable way to tell if a case was dropped because of lack of evidence or because of the public harassing the accuser, so what do we do? :[

“To be fair, from what I remember, based on the facts that had come out it did look really bad for them at the time”

Yeah all of them had completely different stories it looked really rough. We’ll probably never know what actually happened

Yes, because the band Decapitated have the power and sway from their fans to harass the accused into submission.

yea dude metal has some of the best but also some of the worst ppl"

true, but you could say that about any facet of life, cept for lawyers

@doctuses

i think i understand what ur getting at but idk i think some hobbies and scenes just happen to have more variance... or at least seem to attract certain kinds of people more

they're just different kinds of shitty?

“To be fair, from what I remember, based on the facts that had come out it did look really bad for them at the time”

that just backs up my point even further. the public gets a little info and thinks it knows enough to know what really happened. and even disregarding all of that, before any info came out, people were already making up their minds. it happens every time. so my point still stands.

lawyers will always tell u not to make any more information public, because any mistake can and will be used against you

with that said, i still find it weird that gaza jut decided to break up like that so quickly

Dropped Charges = / = Innocence but in general for the severity of this case, I'd assume the state would have filed charges had their been anywhere near sufficient evidence.

@parksungjoon I feelz you

I wish I could live in my own little world where the American justice system wasn’t an absolute garbage shitshow like some of you guys do

not trying to be aggro here but u realize america isnt the only country in the world right?

it is

"that just backs up my point even further. the public gets a little info and thinks it knows enough to know what really happened"

I see where you're coming from but I have a couple of issues with what you're saying:
1. When will we ever have all the info? As some have pointed out, the case being thrown out doesn't necessarily guarantee their innocence and could potentially be due to other factors, there's still room to argue one way or the other (especially considering that it did look really bad for them for a while there).
2. Your stance also seems to imply that the Court ruling is the be all and end all decision which, although accurate in most cases I'd like to hope, there have been way too many cases of error/bias/corruption/etc for it to be seen as some unquestionable source.

I know I'm reading into more than what you wrote there but this is the impression I'm getting based on that statement and others you've made previously so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. This isn't meant to be hostile in any way, just discussing the intricacies/potential for varying viewpoints in cases that are complex like this.

"1. When will we ever have all the info? As some have pointed out, the case being thrown out doesn't necessarily guarantee their innocence and could potentially be due to other factors, there's still room to argue one way or the other (especially considering that it did look really bad for them for a while there)."

we might never have all the info, but should we be so quick to judge when we have almost zero information? we should foster a culture of seeking evidence rather than just being reactionaries and jumping to conclusions

"2. Your stance also seems to imply that the Court ruling is the be all and end all decision which, although accurate in most cases I'd like to hope, there have been way too many cases of error/bias/corruption/etc for it to be seen as some unquestionable source."

i think it's pretty obvious courts are not, have never been, and never will be perfect (i mean, lol), but they're the best thing we have so far. remember lynching?

idk, i don't want to be a fan of a bunch of rapists, and it's gonna happen if we assume innocence every single time, but idk

"1. When will we ever have all the info? As some have pointed out, the case being thrown out doesn't necessarily guarantee their innocence and could potentially be due to other factors, there's still room to argue one way or the other (especially considering that it did look really bad for them for a while there)."

yep, i have nothing to add there.

"2. Your stance also seems to imply that the Court ruling is the be all and end all decision which, although accurate in most cases I'd like to hope, there have been way too many cases of error/bias/corruption/etc for it to be seen as some unquestionable source."

it is not the be all end all, but i think if people trained to investigate these things cant find enough evidence to convict them, then where does the public (who was not involved in the incident and does not have all the facts) get the idea that they have any room to make a judgement?

I think the #metoo movement is great. (sidenote: is it pretty much dead at this point? I never hear anything about it anymore and I'm into politics) I also think that we as a society don't really know how to handle it properly. Certainly, there are times where it is appropriate to blacklist some (Louis CK) and other times it seems to go too far, condemning someone with the court of public opinion. I think it's in its infancy and that we, as a society, will learn better ways to handle it as time goes on, we're just experiencing the growing pains right now.

Also - all this talk on how often accusations turn out to be false - it is completely anecdotal. I'm not even sure it's worth discussing, because none of us really know and there need to be more studies conducted/statistics discussed. It just feels like a completely pointless argument to say, "well 50/50 chance it's made up" or "only 1% of accusations are false". You're pulling numbers out of your ass. Stop.

And I'm from Canada, justice system sucks here too. Literally had a guy kill a native and walk free cause racism.

“not trying to be aggro here but u realize america isnt the only country in the world right?”
Well durr but this case was handled by American courts so

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oh my bad i thought the discussion had moved into the theoretical and broader social context of this kinda stuff

if u meant this specifically then yea my bad

Yeah I cant comment on that bc I’ve only ever lived in the US so that’s all I know by default but it’s pretty fucked up here can confirm

Surprised by the civility of this thread

"Surprised by the civility of this thread"

speaking of which, did futures finally get banned?

hasn't he been banned for like a year now? also i haven't seen sach around either

good news then

sach just had an alt nuked earlier today

tell me of this one you call futures

sach's been around. havent seen futures around, though maybe hes been on alts too.

that baackermaan dude gone too, can't remember his username

I hope that women suffers a violent and traumatic sexual experience in life so that she can know what it's ACTUALLY like to be assaulted."

tough guy over here

i mean, i get his anger, false accusations and making people stay in jail for nothing is horrible, but chill

if we're talking US, being jailed there is also shitty

lmao uhh

Nomos calm down you neanderthal

sure, but we don't know if that's what happened here, all we know is the charges were dropped. Rape is notoriously difficult to prove. regardless nomos is definitely a pussy

nomos calm down you incel

why call him pussy or incel tho lol

this is sputnik, we're all both of those things by default

he's probably a sexually frustrated herb, just like the thousands of other guys who say stuff like that.

nah

why call him pussy or incel tho lol

this is sputnik, we're all both of those things by default"

nah dude im a phd at the school of virtuosity

yah

dude I can play eruption on guitar

better believe I'm drowning in pu$$y

Because us justice system isn't foolproof, there have been innocent people locked up for years or killed by the death penalty.

We don't really have a right to harshly judge either side. Nomos is jumping to conclusions and wishing awful things on another individual, he deserves it.

rape occurs in prisons too

there is some irony to be found in that

take that shit to r/the_donald or what ever it is

wasn't r/the_donald erased lmao

does it count as an incel if you identify yourself as such, causing the very problem that made you identify as an incel? 🤔

what the fuck is an incel

google it, not gonna bother explaining

incel is involuntary celibate.

Idk the politics about it, but I imagine if you realize there are things which make you an incel, and are actively working to improve said things, you're probably not an incel. I imagine an incel to be some kind of mouth breathing, self important schmuck, if you aren't that then you're probably just not getting laid atm, and not necessarily an incel. Just my hot pocket. err hot take

a few millimeters of bone

thats way too detailed. its just someone who is perpetually clueless and unsuccessful when it comes to women.

but not all clueless, unsuccessful guys kinda fit the whole "incel" type

i guess i never really knew exactly what it was then.

"incel" has political connotations too, and there is a set of beliefs that more or less they share, hence it's not as simple as just saying "involuntary celibate"

kinda the same with "feminism"

adolf: if u search incel discourse u'll see what we all mean

my brother's an incel.

There's like half of me that wants to quote all the "dey dun dit it" peeps from the last thread and the other half of me is like nah let 'em get away with it this time they won't do it again.

Damn, even when a guy is NOT guilty of rape you still get a monster news thread haha

False accusations take power and momentum away from other people who are finally willing to step forward and tell the truth about their situations. Terrible shame for everyone involved.

a lot has been said about false accusations taking credibility away from the real victims, but i feel like pointing out that they also take resources away, such as time, money, the attention of law enforcement, lawyers, judges, etc

it's really terrible, but it is what it is, it's never going to be perfect

Some real wonderful comments in here

also what bootface said [3344544]

As expected...crazy groupie

Can’t wait to hear their next song about shredding that bitch lmao

Sexually frustrated? I'm married bro, I'm good, but keep projecting your own insecurities onto other people

I think it's about time this thread got nuked lol

what for?

No one gonna post an article about Inquisition?

Nah it's not that bad

what happened to inquisition

edit: never fucking mind

"Nah it's not that bad"

lol

"Sexually frustrated? I'm married bro"

Exactly

Oh my god, dagon no...

""Sexually frustrated? I'm married bro"

Exactly"

#wrecked

https://www.stereogum.com/1988370/inquisition-dropped-from-label-over-child-pornography-charges-frontman-releases-statement/news/

"I made a very unwise choice of actions in 2007 which got me into some legal problems"

hmmmmmm

Don’t listen to the band - but have been following the story from the very beginning. I am glad they get to go home.

Perfect example of why the internet needs to stop breaking out their pitchforks immediately when news breaks. Fun fact I was accused of rape by my girlfriend of 4 years when we split up. You'd be surprised how quick a lot of women will jump to that when they decide they're mad at you

Really strange how there's no charges for sort of ruining someone's reputation with lies.

What Zaru said. Further, I believe it's more likely that she was actually assaulted, than she accused them falsely. We'll never truly know what happened. Disappointed that the metal community always immediately gets it's pitchforks out, contrasting the reaction of the immediate condemnation of Dagon because he's accused (with no conviction) of possessing CP, because it's CP - with the immediate fanboy defense for rape accusations of Decapitated, because there's so many metalhead meatheads like the fuckwit in this thread wishing rape upon someone. Defending Decapitated with no trial while condemning Inquisition means you don't actually care about what happened, you're just insecure as fuck.

Really strange how there's no charges for sort of ruining someone's reputation with lies.

There is its called libel.

"Fuck the #MeToo movement."

What a hot take if I've ever seen one.

"Fun fact I was accused of rape by my girlfriend of 4 years when we split up. You'd be surprised how quick a lot of women will jump to that when they decide they're mad at you"

Sorry that happened man. This happened to me to, but it was from a chick I didn't know and I was a virgin to make matters even weirder.

y'all only came to read random posts and be enraged tbh, caliggy and laen

Point to where I sounded enraged?

Sorry I dropped the f-bomb asdf. Though yeah, facetiousness aside, I did come to read posts, but I'm not really enraged, more disappointed and annoyed. Not sure if that writes off the validity of my opinion if that's what you're implying, but hey, go ahead.

zoinks, a couple of jealous incel dingdongs in here! Usernames I don't recognize though so it's not like what they say matters

yes, we're all very jealous of your sexless marriage.

"Sorry that happened man. This happened to me to, but it was from a chick I didn't know and I was a virgin to make matters even weirder."

It's a tough one for sure especially when you've spent years of your life with that person thinking they'd be there for you just to get stabbed in the back. I tread very careful now and honestly haven't bothered to attempt a serious relationship since. The fact that accusations can quickly turn into prison sentences makes dating a pretty big risk with how many shitty people there are in the sea.

But does your wife know that you wish rape on other women?

🤔

"It's a tough one for sure especially when you've spent years of your life with that person thinking they'd be there for you just to get stabbed in the back. I tread very careful now and honestly haven't bothered to attempt a serious relationship since. The fact that accusations can quickly turn into prison sentences makes dating a pretty big risk with how many shitty people there are in the sea. "

Yeah I've decided to just be alone now. I know it's irrational, but with my anxiety, I prefer to be 100% safe instead of 99.9%.

hear hear -.-

anyone who takes advantage of this stuff like that and gets caught claiming a false accusation should be hung honestly

yikes @ this thread

oh

anyone who takes advantage of this stuff like that and gets caught claiming a false accusation should be hung honestly"

so many tough guys in this thread!

@nomos

go share your opinion on false accusers with your "wife", if you really have one, and then get back to us.

you won't though.

"False" rape accusations brings closeted misogynists out the wood work lol

I can't believe there are people who believe we shouldn't badmouth people who make false rape allegations.

2018 everybody

Its not bad mouthing though, users are wishing death and rape on her

Considering that rapists have lowest conviction and incarceration rates it isn't unreasonable to defend her but hey you Do you.

"it isn't unreasonable to defend her"

Yeah it kind of is. We'd wish the same thing on actual rapists.

Not gonna lie this argument just sounds like "Sure that middle aged dude fucked a bunch of 10 year old boys but isn't it a little far to wish they would die in a fire?"

No, no it isn't. Fuck rapists, fuck pedos, and fuck false accusers.

Yeah honestly I wouldn't even press charges on her if I'd had the option presented to me. Sure does make things weird though. Couldn't ever wish anything like that on someone I was thinking I'd marry. That being said it's a real shitty move for a woman to pull. I'm also not the "kill em in the streets!!!" Type of guy when it comes to major crimes though

This isn't even an official source just the band's side of the story lol.

Like we don't even know why the case was dropped, they very well could have raped her but are walking free.

But yea let's jump to conclusions

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8092914/decapitated-cleared-rape-kidnapping-charges

Actually we fucking do.

Sir reach a lot over here lol

I liked it better when caliggy didn't post anymore

I'm sure you did.

"Actually we fucking do."

Prosecutors filed a motion in Spokane County Superior Court dismissing the charges against members of Decapitated, citing only the "well-being of the victim," as the reason.

But defense attorneys said in court documents that numerous witnesses placed the woman in the front row of a mosh pit at the concert and said she was getting jostled, which could have accounted for the bruises.

Graham said the case against the four men was falling apart.

so in other words we still dont know what really happened and probably never will.

Sounds like the case fell apart and they dropped it in order to keep the accuser from catching a libel charge

being out of the pit doesn't exclude you from being assaulted outside the pit, and a guy's attorney isn't a non-biased source so his opinion isn't really relevant. She might've lied for all we know but the whole 'derp she did it derp kill her' spiel is trash.

"False" rape accusations brings closeted misogynists out the wood work lo;"
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aka dudes who think the world owes them pussy. It's waht you call a "snowflake"

Agreed. Both parties should just be left alone in this case and everybody should just move on. If you weren't there you don't truly know what happened. That being said the whole mob mentality the internet takes in this day in age is a really frightening thing that I can see getting very out of hand in the near future. Whole scenario is just sad from all sides

It's already way out of hand. Just read the news about Facebook/Reddit/Twitter

honestly the best position is harassing both the band AND the accuser. seems sensible to me

Things have been out of hand for quite awhile now really. I try to just tune out of all of that shit because all it's doing is leading us all down a bad path. The internet dying would be a godsend at this point tbh

hell no, there's still albums i haven't checked

"honestly the best position is harassing both the band AND the accuser. seems sensible to me"

agreed.

"hey you lying whore, fuck you, you ruin men's lives and fuck over women who have actually been raped. die in a hole."

alright, now to make sure all the bases are covered.

"you rapist pieces of shit. human garbage like you getting away with rape makes me sick, i wish you were convicted and raped in prison."

ahh, equality.

well did

Id like to hear Mel Gibson's take on all this.

Jesus died for this thread- Mel Gibson

Oh, i thought it would be more along the lines of wishing a specific kind of rape upon her.

He muttered something along those lines afterwords then followed up by yelling some racial slurs and striking a man with his vehicle

shoutout to all the discord boys who shunned me simply because i mistrusted the accusations.

“What the fuck is an incel” oh lord shut this thread down now

I wonder how much this whole ordeal has damaged their reputation

I'd imagine a lot

their latest album was pretty blehh to begin with

Honestly their last album that I dug much at all was in 06

It annihilated this band's reputation, are you kidding? Even though they've been cleared, I still think of them as 'that rapey band'. Not to mention I'm still salty they got pulled off that Thy Art Is Murder tour. Unrelated, maybe, or maybe not... I still say they're rapist scumbags because I didn't get to see them live after I payed for a ticket.

Yeah honestly after the bus accident then this they've really had major bad luck if the allegations weren't true

“What the fuck is an incel”
my dude please just plead ignorance for this one... it’s like a RedPiller but somehow more pathetic

🤔🤔🤔

It's hard being in a metal band these days. Losing limbs in van crashes, band members being immolated in freak pyrotechnic accidents, not to mention getting accused of rape for being white and having dreadlocks in 21st century.

"what bootface said"
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"What the fuck is an incel"

You ever see those 12 year old kids on COD who bitch and moan swears and slurs at opponents and blame the loss of the game on everyone but their own lack of skill?

It's that, but instead of games it's women, and instead of 12 year olds it's 40 year old men with the maturity of 12 year olds.

That sounds like an accurate description of the people who generally use the term though^^

Projecting I guess

CalliggyJack don't offend woman, they have a pussy and they must be respected for that regardless of their mental age.

"Projecting I guess"

Excuse me?

"shoutout to all the discord boys who shunned me simply because i mistrusted the accusations."

lol

Still yikes

"Excuse me?"

You're excused

Scream were you referring to me in that "projecting" comment?

chuck gets it