fucked up over this, someone needs to reach out to Edith because from what I'm hearing she's being abused in a similar way

this man is a fucking freak. i've always gotten really gross vibes from him and sad to see they weren't misplaced

Here we go

Damn. Alice is very brave to come out and talk about this. I hope she gets better. Ethan has probably or is trying to blacklist her. Fuck that guy.

Jesus, that is fucked up, man.

Yikes. Fuck Ethan.

I know I'm gonna regret commenting here after this reaches 1000 comments, but this is harrowing

what a fucking scumbag

Harvey Weinstein getting exposed has finally opened up a lot of honesty about abuse.

here we go[2]

Have alwyas thought the name of the Alice Practice EP was a bit harrowing.

god dammit... seriously fuck that guy

good for Alice. hope she can bounce back from this..

Well fuck that guy i guess

Good that she'sspeaking out, hope she's in a good place

Holy shit.

That's absolutely horrible.

And yeah the one good thing to come out of this Harvey stuff is that since more people are coming forward, fewer powerful men are going to get away with disgusting behavior and abuse like this.

man, fuck ethan. alice is super courageous for posting this.

never trust a man who lies about his age.

Wow.

This is just really sad.

Fuck the music scene forever

let crystal castles end

yea i hope ethan's career is irrevocably fucked after this

Has he had his say?

Would I fuck take his side but you have to have his account and furthermore the actual facts of this stuff.
Go to the police and serve real justice on the cunt don’t put a fucking update on Facebook or whatever about reasons why the band broke up.

This is really shitty. Major respect to her for finally getting out of the situation.

damn this band meant everything to me when i was younger. i hope alice gets the recognition she deserves. fuck julio or whatever his name is

Holy shit.
yea i hope ethan's career is irrevocably fucked after this [2]

Piece of fucking shit

Crystal castles sucks without here so guess its time to boycott this fuck

Dude sounds like a sociopath.

"Go to the police and serve real justice on the cunt don’t put a fucking update on Facebook or whatever about reasons why the band broke up. "

as someone who has been the victim of sexual abuse and physical abuse, not nearly to the degree of Alices ordeal but still, you couldn't sound more stupid. It simply is not that easy. The victim often feels guilty and afraid to go to the authorities, Alice was tortured into not getting away. I get where you're coming from, but it's just not that easy.


My main concern now is that Edith is suffering in the same way, people have said she's been seen crying on stage and Ethan's been shouting at her in front of the crowds.

No one is saying it’s easy. It’s hard and takes courage but ultimately putting up a post on the internet isn’t exactly the greatest way to throw allegations around without evidence.

i get u zak but maybe this was just something really onerous that she needed to get off her chest. after years of repression , manipulation and turmoil, maybe she just needed to dip her toes in and promulgate her story to people over the internet. maybe hereafter she will feel more confident and take further measures.

Good luck to her in the future. Hopefully this will help her move on.

I mean she might still press charges, this could be just step one for her.

She might not either, but yeah

zak shush.

Goddamn this is terrible, some people are such cunts

*busts in to thread out of breath*

HAS HE...

*wheeze*

HAD HIS

*falls flat on back*

SSSSsssaaay....

someday a court-ordered psychiatrist is going to have a fucking field day with zakalwe.

That’s right.
Hear one side, have no evidence and condemn.

There are some serious allegations of rape here watered down to “leaving Crystal Castles was the single most difficult decision I’ve ever made”
Everything is based on emotion so all perspective is lost. She is making allegations of rape against someone who hasn’t given his side to any of this and for which we have no evidence.

Clearly there are issues here and ones that I have no doubt effected Alice but you can’t just kangaroo court this stuff on conjecture and unsubstantiated account.

I’ll be the first to say lock the bloke up for life if convicted.

Nazz I seriously fucking love you.
Also this man should be blasted with fucking tnt Jesus he sounds awful.

Jesus, this is fucked up.

"The first time he took advantage of me was when I was around 15. He was 10 years older than me."

If this is even slightly true, Ethan belongs in prison.

[Trigger Warning.]

lol'd

why is it that every fucking time these stories come out (and they are rare), there is some asshole saying "oh no it's one-sided // what about the abuser // i don't believe her until the police proves it"

anyway, this is really fucked up and she has been hinting at this for a while ... really sucks to hear what she went thru =/

good to know she's recovering and has her solo material out though

serious question though, how do they determine how many of the rape allegations were false or true in those studies?

zakalwe you are a real piece of shit

jesus christ. fuck ethan.

I am not for one minute saying that Alice is making false accusations. I’m just saying let’s not all jump into a kangaroo court and not let the man give his account.

In the UK rapes are investigated no matter what the allegation purports. Aliens from the planet Zeboor 9 has sex with me, will be classified as a rape and investigated.

Many are charged but yeah convictions do fall by the wayside because they have to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt and unfortunately a lot of rapes are committed by partners, and people we know or are associated with. Evidence from the scene is lost because of allegations being historic, plausible accounts are given for DNA and so on.

The whole court system is based on evidence and burden of proof lying with the prosecution.
If everyone went to court on “he said this, she said that what one do you believe?” The whole system would collapse....unless you’re OJ Simpson.

It's as Crystal clear as a Glass now.

look at potential motives for faulty claims though. i mean a lot of this stuff happened too long ago / probably lacks the requisite evidence or substance for purposeful legal recourse. to me this just felt like a cathartic offloading of pain and repression on her part. her claims are also very specific and the new female member of CC seems to be undergoing some similar looking distress as well. so why would she make all of this up? to attempt to hamper his career? i am not saying you have to unequivocally believe her without evidence, but try to think about it logically.

"well hold on guys, we've only heard one side of the story."

"man you are a real piece of shit."

lol what.

someone explain to me then, are we expected to automatically take the accuser's side in the case of a rape accusation? im actually asking, because thats what seems like the popular opinion around here.

wow good one retard

na i don't rly fault u guys for being reluctant. i just happen to believe her in this case. there have been instances in the past where i was skeptical.

[Trigger Warning.]

lol we buzzfeed now?

If they’re touring the states anytime soon he’ll probably be shot by some nutjob in the audience ‘doing Gods work’

what the fuck is your deal man

"[Trigger Warning.]

lol we buzzfeed now?"
idk it requires nearly zero effort to mention that the ensuing subject matter is sensitive, though it would make more sense to be specific-ish. i'm not a victim of sexual assault but maybe if i was i'd appreciate the heads up.

Love to see all the people bothered by a mere warning of content that might bring back traumatic experiences of victims of abuse.

Anyway, that cover of their debut EP looks 1000 times more tasteless now.

@pjorn yeah, obviously it doesnt look good for him and most people dont just make this shit up. but its a really bad habit to condemn someone immediately just from an accusation. imagine if you were falsely accused of rape. people begin to berate you and cut ties with you and fire you from your job simply because someone said something about you. are you going to sit there and think, "you know what? this is ok. this is fair, because most rape accusations arent false."

"someone needs to reach out to Edith because from what I'm hearing she's being abused in a similar way"

where have u heard this

Apparently so Adolf, you piece of shit

If this is indeed true, it's horrendous

it's precarious because, imagining yourself as the victim, the last thing you'd want when coming forth with something so exposing and psychologically treacherous is for a slew of people to doubt you - pairing that with the number of rape cases that don't go to trial / result in conviction, i imagine many victims have a hard time justifying coming forth at all when it might be easier to keep quiet and trudge on. i dislike FB vigilantism, but can understand when people feel like it's that or nothing.

zak talking trash again what a shock

I’ve spoken nothing but truth. Sheesh.

"Dude sounds like a sociopath."

more like a narcissist tbh

Johnny on point

"If they’re touring the states anytime soon he’ll probably be shot by some nutjob in the audience ‘doing Gods work’"

"I’ve spoken nothing but truth. Sheesh."

You typed that first part with one hand, didn't you.

no you're missing the point and soapboxing about due process or some shit when it isn't relevant. she didn't post this for him to be criminally convicted. all she did was post her story and immediately you wanna start downplaying it and arguing it

reflect on yourself my dude

isn't your hypothesis a necessary evil for the ability for someone to actually broadcoast their experiences in the greater likelihood something like this has actually happened to them. rape accounts are invalidated enough as it is in our society. why does this offend you so much

lol his message got deleted

My comment was deleted?

Unbefuckinglievable

the irony

Indeed. LOL.

Finger up the Ars

Edit: Wow this thread moved quickly

@the person that said "let crystal castles end"

I really hope that doesn't happen, because this was never his band. He wanted it to be, but it wasn't. I'd much rather see one member get kicked out and replaced instead of the band disintegrating. I don't want another PWR BTTM (even though that band was so tight-knit and it was unavoidable).

By the way: https://www.spin.com/2017/10/ethan-kath-statement-alice-glass-abuse/

this was an upsetting read, the extent of alleged abuse is really horrifying. i just hope she can find success in her solo career and find herself in a better place.

I like how his bottom line is "SHE'LL HEAR FROM MY LAWYERS!"

Wheeling out witnesses already seems a bit panicked, a bit desperate but hey ho.

Hes fucked either way.

OMG I’ve just realised!!!!!! Crystal Castles is a usleless name for a band.

i'm glad someone is finally taking a stand for the slew of men who get wrongly accused of sexual assault/abuse

I think the idea is that sexual abuse is such a serious issue that you shouldn't assume someone would make it up in the first place. Your first reaction to an assertion of abuse, then, should be support and comfort for that individual. Objectivity and analysis of the evidence can come afterward.

who said you should assume they made it up.

"I'm glad someone is finally taking a stand for the slew of men who get wrongly accused of sexual assault/abuse"

Lol

Support the victim, avoid judgement without evidence. pretty straightforward.

Don't be a retard and condemn the accused based on some fucking social media post, it's not your place to blame and speculate, these are peoples lifes that are ruined here.

Don't be a sexist douche whose first reaction is second guessing the victim. Be supportive, you don't need evidence for that.

No one in this thread has even said anything that outrageous. Supporting the accuser/victim and suggesting that we also allow the accused to at least release a statement are not mutually exclusive positions to take - it's not as if permitting the accused to do so entails some tacit, apologistic support of them. The only people in this thread who are being stupid are those who are chucking tantrums and calling other users "pieces of shit" for making a reasonable and inoffensive point. Nice to see that apart from that, this comment section is actually pretty civil and constructive. Also, FWIW and in light of that pathetic statement by Ethan Kath, this seems truly fubar and I feel so so sorry for both Alice and Edith.

She posted the statement on her website not "social media"

well that changes everything!

zak is the user embodiment of that disgruntled man-child that walks around school complaining about how PC the culture on campus is and how women in this country are raised to be victims

lmao

on a more serious note it's gonna be massively difficult to listen to CC's earlier stuff after reading this

"well that changes everything!"

No, it hardly changes much at all, but saying she posted the statement on "social media" like Zak supposed and JohnDillinger accuses implies an attention seeking element to her allegation/confession when she posted it on her website as a means to vent and get all that terrible shit off of her chest.

if she couldn't do it through social media, what other options are there?

fax?

hold up i'll make an official statement through astral plane projection

Lol Adolf always plays the role of rape apologist when these things pop up in the news

^ as if the dude was already charged of something lol

hahahaha oh man. i was gonna say something after johndillinger's comment about how when a story like this comes out if you have anything to say other than, "hes a piece of shit who deserves to rot in hell," then youre sexist or rape apologist or something. but then i thought, "well thats not fair, nobody in this thread has gotten that cartoonish yet." but here you are, playing the role of a retard!

lol don't get mad at me for pointing that on every article about sexual assault you constantly blame the victim and try to find a counter narrative for the assaulter.

and what's the problem in doing that?

glad youre here, we need at least one person like you in every thread. reminds the rest of us that nobody is really being THAT retarded by contrast.

I really hope that is a rhetorical question

i hope for nothing on the other hand, for u haven't made any significant contribution to the discussion other than calling someone out for something insignificant

I love how your only rebuttal is just calling me retarded lol

complain all you want -- and mind u, u haven't even exposed why giving the benefit of the doubt is a bad thing -- adolf thinks like that, and you haven't provided anything for his opinion to change

hence the situation we're in

i love it too!

it's hard to give u a rebuttal when u haven't exposed anything

@asdfpp3049 Actually I commented on this way earlier today hoping Alice gets better. That is my contribution.

and u expect a rebuttal to that?

what are u even doing

Hey guys a woman might have been raped can you all fuck off and be considerate instead of diving balls deep into useless debates?

What are you even talking about anymore? I never said I wanted a rebuttal for saying I want Alice to get better

king: want me to contact alice glass directly instead?

sleepy: "I love how your only rebuttal [...]"

considerate to who, do you think shes monitoring this thread?

Let them be tough guys

@asdfp what are you even talking about

@Asdfp I was talking about Adolf. I don't expect a rebuttal from you. I don't really care about you honestly. I'm only responding to you

it's like the nra dudes complaining every time someone discusses a mass murder, it only serves to shut down the discussion

sleepys: "@Asdfp I was talking about Adolf."

still, what kind of rebuttal do u want? u haven't made any point worth discussing

"lol don't get mad at me for pointing that on every article about sexual assault you constantly blame the victim and try to find a counter narrative for the assaulter."

yes, he is.

do u want a rebuttal of that?

Why do you do that every time?

this thread belongs in 2016 sput

none of ur business tbh

I do but not from you because I really don't care about you

if u feel like contacting him directly, use the shoutbox function

Are you his secretary? Fuck off

thats the only kind of rebuttal hes gonna get. you can see earlier on in this thread that im capable of having a civil conversation, but if you act like a retard ill treat you like one. fuck outta here with your "rape apologist" bullshit, cunt.

sleepy still hasn't provided any point worth discussing

So basically you proved my point. You don't really have a reason other than you want to play devil's advocate

u haven't made any point

This is a pointless meandering argument.

"sleepy still hasn't provided any point worth discussing"

I mean you're still commenting on what I comment so...

Sleepys, adolf, asdfp, chill out dudes. Getting way more heated than necessary.

"You don't really have a reason other than you want to play devil's advocate"

lmao, how are you reaching these conclusions?? quick, how many fingers am i holding up?

sleepys came just to stir shit, this thread was already destined to be worthless

I feel like I'm arguing with some fat high school edgelords

True but really sleepys and Adolf are making this shit plummet. Its just...not worth arguing over. I shouldn't even be arguing either.

sleepys: if that makes u feel better about yourself, go for it

thanks for contributing nothing to the discussion

king: honestly it's not stoppable. let it be

You're very welcome fat phaggot

Wow the Alice Practice cover is so uncomfortable to look at now.

Fuck Ethan if this is true, which it probably is.

This is shocking obviously

But honestly the backstory of this band always felt a little off, though I assumed it was a more benign thing

like, Alice Practice definitely wasn't a mic test lmao

Edit: holy fuck I've never seen the Alice Practice EP artwork before. Holy fuck

never liked the band tbh lol, always thought they were weird too, but i'm just gonna watch this whole thing unravel

dude, there's no way anything they recorded is real, even in the case something actually happened

if anything recorded is actually evidence, i would love to see his ass handled to him in court, but that's likely not the case

listening to Alice Practice, kind of like it.

was one of the only decent songs on their debut, the entire album sucks ass

No one in this thread has said anything resembling rape apology and accusing users of that, when there is no supporting evidence, only serves to devalue the severity of the phrase/issue. It also derails the thread because it just turns the whole thing into a shit fight...like c'mon

No one in this thread has said anything resembling rape apology and accusing users of that, when there is no supporting evidence, only serves to devalue the severity of the phrase/issue. It also derails the thread because it just turns the whole thing into a shit fight...like c'mon

it doesnt sound like shes pressing charges.

everyone says it's super fucked up this will probably never see the inside of a court

zakalwe says it's super fucked up the only court this will see is the court of public opinion


lbr, both of these opinions are two sides of the same coin

no one's called Alice a liar

let's not exacerbate things

TheSleepys: congrats on being the exact kind of useless person who derails the discussion and is only here to start shit

Honestly, if she doesn't go to court, then she's just starting a witch hunt

If what she said is true, the she should have more than enough evidence to prosecute

If she doesn't, she'll just be supporting another abuser walking free

I believe every word of hers. That dude's always seemed like a creep.

I was only trying to bait one sputnik user but I got two.

"i-i was just trolling!"

"I believe every word of hers. That dude's always seemed like a creep."

Stupid, baseless statement tbh. You don't know him, you don't know her.

@Asdfp don't be mad, I was just quoting you

'Honestly, if she doesn't go to court, then she's just starting a witch hunt
If what she said is true, the she should have more than enough evidence to prosecute'

Does she really? I'd guess maybe when she was more under his control, she could've prosecuted, but it's hard to say now. Either way, it's probable she's already consulted people on the possibility of prosecution and elected against it for now

The girls who brought Weinstein down also were just starting a witch hunt and they've effectively removed him from power, so don't underestimate the power of public opinion

'I believe every word of hers. That dude's always seemed like a creep.'

he really does

It's been years of alleged abuse, there definitely is evidence of the stuff she's said. She just needs to go for it, if it exists.

"The girls who brought Weinstein down also were just starting a witch hunt and they've effectively removed him from power, so don't underestimate the power of public opinion"

I know the power of witch hunts, but I also find them unfair. Kinda like the case of the mattress girl -- the court found out she was the one constantly contacting him through facebook, etc., and she was the one pursuing him while he actively avoided her. But now, under public opinion, he's a serial rapist.

Let's not forget all of y'all also look like rapists guys, have u seen your faces? Check the pics list

"From one troll to another, you're a little bitch. like you're actually little bitch"

lol suck my dick, cocknoggin.

lol I would if you weren't an ugly little bitch

"If what she said is true, the she should have more than enough evidence to prosecute"

i mean, maybe. even when it gets reported right away, there arent always bruises or signs of struggle or text messages you can look back on. a lot of rapists get away with it because it can be hard to prove.

Bruises disappear, text messages are archived. There's also a great chance that there will be a witness willing to help Alice, since they only accumulate with repeated abuse.

It worked for Amy Lee.

I know there's a strong attempt at derailing any actual conversation that's outside of hyperbole here, but

Honestly, there's a chance this guy is doing this shit to this fuckin day, so if there's a case against him, I'd bet it comes from someone other than Alice

Either way, asdfp dude, would you agree that her story correlates pretty closely to how the band has always seemed to operate in the past? He had all the control clearly, and that first EP artwork is just yikes

I would say he seems like a controlling person, but again, I have no facts over this save for some word-of-mouth. Of course, there's always the possibility that Alice has suffered all that abuse, so it should be taken into consideration with appropriate care -- this is serious abuse.

The artwork means nothing honestly, it could be anything. I.e. check any power electronics and/or grind musicians artwork.

And yeah, now there's a new girl in the band. She should have some say over this.

It's even better, since now the new girl would publicly have someone to back up her story if she's suffered abuse by Ethan too. Things do stack up. She would have a way better chance in a court case, and a support system already.

Alice is most likely still being abused by her current bf Jupiter Keyes

yeah im curious as to what the other singer has to say about all this.

It's probably gonna take her a while to make a statement. Especially if she's suffering abuse too -- the band would have to disintegrate, she would have to find a support system, gather evidence, talk to a lawyer, etc etc etc.

luygityfuydtrdturyt

Damn this is fucking terrifying. Gotta feel for her.

I'm seeing a lot of you saying we can't fully believe Alice, because this is an accusation, not a conviction, and you're right, this could turn out to be total bull, and Ethan be innocent. But for the longest time, people have been skeptical about Ethan. Alice's lyrics about abuse have always been prevalent in their music, not to mention in interviews a lot of the time he speaks and Alice is silent. I believe Alice because since discovering the band there has always been something off about Ethan, and when she left, his statement on it was such a dick move it felt more like he was trying to upset and discredit her than actually explain why she left. I know there isn't any physical evidence at this point (bar some photos of her bruises online somewhere yet to surface) but this is one of those cases where, no questions asked, I'm fully taking the victims side. Most of the time I remain on the fence until the perpetrator is proven guilty, but even then I lean toward the victim because I am a victim myself of sexual and physical abuse. I'm not trying to score any pity points with that, but I know what it feels like to be in Alices position and have no one believe you. If Ethan is proven innocent, I'll eat my words obviously. Edith has been seen in distress on stage, and Ethan has been seen shouting at her during shows. There is the possibility she is going through the same trauma, something needs to be done.

Zak, I get completely where you're coming from, but in this case, as someone who's followed the band since their inception, i'm more inclined to believe Alice. Also, rape in the UK is not always investigated, I have been raped, I have friends who were raped, and when we went to the police, they didn't do anything. It was infuriating.

Well I’m shocked and disturbed by that todd mate and I certainly don’t want to demean or interfere in anyway but when we say rape we are talking about the UK definition aren’t we? A man inserting his penis into a vagina, mouth or anal passage without consent?

Honestly Zak shut up. Whiny mra types are some of the most pathetic people on the planet.

You want to talk about why women are scared to come out with allegations of abuse and you don't think this constant 'there's no evidence yet', 'wait until the truth comes out' 'innocent until proven guilty' crap is peddled in heaps.

And don't even try to pretend that rape is always investigated here in the UK. What a ridiculous unsubstantiated claim. I honestly think you should take a step back and think 'why am I so desperate to believe this'.

Actually think about it and maybe you will learn something about yourself

Sure of course in law people are innocent until proven guilty. But how many times do you think that way about allegations of people involved in other crimes? How much does society think that way?

That dichotomy only seems to exists when it's sexual violence specifically against women.

I'm also kind of confused why we are laughing at trigger warnings? Because Sput consists of only 14 year old boys who hang out on youtube comments? Because those are the only people I've seen who act that way around TWs outside of the internet?

Lol

Is zak a bot

"But how many times do you think that way about allegations of people involved in other crimes?"

When its just a he said/she said situation involving two people ive never met and no evidence supporting either side? Uhh, every time. And if you are right about people only reserving judgement when it comes to sexual violence (i dont think you are, but thats another argument), it doesnt mean we should not reserve judgement in these cases to even it out, it means we should apply the same standard to everything else.

Your other argument seems to be "not just believing them without a second thought makes it harder for people who have been assaulted to come out, therefore we should automatically take the side of anyone who claims they were sexually assaulted." Do i really have to explain why thats stupid?

I had to look at what MRA was and I’m certainly not that lol.

This is the problem isn’t it. You don’t know me, I actually disclosed a personal account of being sexually assaulted by an older male when I was 17 on this thread and it got deleted (fucking unbelievable) And that’s without other events of my past that I won’t go into.

I think there is a confusion between rapes going unreported for whatever reason and actually investigated. You report a rape it will be investigated by way of statement, forensic swabs, identifying lines of enquiry and so on. That is fact mate. The police won’t just fuck it off, it’s not the 70s. Whether it leads to charges and a later conviction is another matter. I don’t know what experiences you or people you know have had but I guarantee it’s definitely not the norm.

Sir, please just pull around to the second window and get your food

https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/rq4bmp/searching-through-the-shade-between-alice-glass-and-ethan-kath

Not evidence obviously, but this article from April 2015 gives credence to some of what Alice has said about Ethan's controlling, manipulative behavior.

I don't normally get trigger warnings, since it's not like morbid human curiosity won't ever win and it won't ever stop anyone from actually clicking through an article, and it always feels silly and unprofessional for an article to use instead of a standard disclaimer that the article may be upsetting

But as neither a victim of abuse or a particularly big fan of Crystal Castles, this is still pretty upsetting. It's never fun to find out something you enjoy was created through mistreatment

Sir, please just pull around to the second window and get your food [2]

I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.

Upgrade your meal for the low low low price of your masculinity

"Sir, please just pull around to the second window and get your food"

Bwahaha perfect man

I'm going to take Alice's side on this because I have a 2% chance of being wrong.

'Upgrade your meal for the low low low price of your masculinity'

that's the second one then

"Well I’m shocked and disturbed by that todd mate and I certainly don’t want to demean or interfere in anyway but when we say rape we are talking about the UK definition aren’t we? A man inserting his penis into a vagina, mouth or anal passage without consent?"

yes we are.

I'm going to take Alice's side on this because I have a 2% chance of being wrong. [2]

I love sputnik.

think ive only heard a grand total of 2 crystal castles songs but jesus christ this is sickening

I'm going to take Alice's side on this because I have a 2% chance of being wrong. [3]

They sound just like the people that questioned the rapes that happened to me and my friends

my god, they questioned you??

big surprise this thread plummeted

@Adolf They defended him. You wouldn't understand run along little bitch

lol you guys are so dumb.

harsh times these are

"anyways if anything i've said there offends you or is (quite possibly) out of line apologies"

nah, calling someone a rapist over trivial matters isnt out of line at all! its all good! just another day in the life of sach, ayy?

"there's a lot to be said about times and places for certain comments"

Holy shut this thread got bad adolf and assclap delete your accounts

damn, when did adolf/bitchfork turn into a complete shitheel?

im not reading this thread lol

nah, you guys are ridiculous. i havent said anything outrageous here.

im sorry guys, i wont think critically about these issues anymore!

seriously, my whole argument has been "i think we should remain neutral in cases like this with people we've never met and with no evidence on either side," and i get my head bitten off. how is that idea out there at all.

thanks to sweeneytodd and a couple others for coming back with coherent responses and actually having a conversation about it instead of calling me a rape apologist or some other shit because i didnt echo the popular narrative.

"calling me a rape apologist or some other shit because i didn't echo the popular narrative."

Except you do this every time for any sexual assault case. You do it even when it has to do with an artist who's music you don't even fucking like.

I'd call you a little bitch, but you already know what you are lol

"seriously, my whole argument has been "i think we should remain neutral in cases like this with people we've never met and with no evidence on either side," and i get my head bitten off. how is that idea out there at all."

"I wanna blame victims but people are being mean to me! I'm the real victim wahhhhhhhhhhh"

remaining neutral is victim blaming? interesting. im learning so many new things ITT!

I agree with remaining neutral. People are way too butthurt anout these issues. What do we know for certain?

nocuffin lowkey a neonazi but gotta pretend to be a decent person on sputnik i guess

What the fuck are you saying asdfp

http://imgur.com/a/W8OIw

Me 2

tbh

Lmao, that desperate backpedaling.

Folks, if you read some shit like this and your immediate reaction is "well what about the other side of the story?/where's the evidence?" and not "wow, that's horrible, I hope she's alright", you're doing something wrong. Let the police and the courts figure out whether or not Kath is guilty, all you gotta do is have some basic human compassion. You can assume she's telling the truth until you have reason to believe otherwise.

@kompy part of basic human compassion is not making a judgement when you know nothing about the situation.

"You can assume she's telling the truth until you have reason to believe otherwise."

So guilty until proven innocent. Sounds like a good road to go down.

Im not talking about the legal process, but does guilty until proven innocent sound like a good mentality in regards to either public opinion or the law?

http://imgur.com/a/wtFw3

">being a nazi is irrelevant when virtue-signaling

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lol tf is this 4chan shit?

asdfp is confirmed to also be a little bitch

yeah because someone named AdolfChrist should really be judging people's character.

Von Goatfuck hates women because they probably won't get near him

LOL sixdegrees you really are the cherry on top of this clusterfuck of a thread

you mean nicholas von nuclearape?

Didnt mort get banned once for saying "gas the kikes"?

@sleepy yet you conveniently ignore the other name in my username, who was a really nice guy and died for your fucking sins??

If Jesus died for my sins how come my grandma still thinks I'm going to hell

Yes we know your name has quite the edge. That still has nothing to do with what I said.

christ is edgy?...

No, I'm highkey antifa

When you're trying to put it next to Adolf Hitler it is an attempt to be edgy. I like how you're going on about anti-semitism when you've run out of ways defending that you victim shame

Kidding, I'm too young and stupid to have political opinions.

haha

i listened to the Alice Practice song, thought it was good.

What the fuck did I come back to

Someone trying to be super edgy, it seems.

It ain't even remotely funny anymore, just pretty annoying.

Interesting to see that stupid people like adolf think they're rational because they fail to grasp any wider social implications of an issue

he knows the implications of the issue, he just doesn't consider them to be powerful enough to warrant revoking the presumption of innocence

me llamo jeff

This whole thread reeks of late 2000's 4Chan edge

Just had a very long conversation with my girlfriend who is a victim of something similar. Ya'll are proving why being a Lawyer requires understanding situational truth and nuance. Cheap jokes and egotistical grandstanding aside, re-read this article with an eye for objective truth without getting triggered and then make a statement about it. Reactionary aggression begets itself and derails discussion.

Derailed discussion is all the internet is, though.

Youre asking for too much.

tbh Adolf(NEVER THOUGHT I'D TYPE THAT) your back and forth kept me up last night. Such a fucking sensitive topic and personal experience/hearditfromafriend seems to be the primary source that people base their opinion off. Justice is a process, rape isn't okay. You're both fucking right. Neither of you has said anything to contravene that truth.

i just really hope the best and that justice gets served

can only wait now

sixdegrees has never known the touch of a woman it seems

sixdegrees has never known the touch of a woman it seems [2]

"Computer, show me the worst thread"

'Folks, if you read some shit like this and your immediate reaction is "well what about the other side of the story?/where's the evidence?" and not "wow, that's horrible, I hope she's alright", you're doing something wrong'

Yh this - really tells you a kind of person with one sentence

Agreed, it tells you whether you make rash judgements based on emotion or if you are able to detach yourself from a situation and think about it clearly.

i'm gonna make the massive assumption here that you're not some mom's basement shut-in and actually have ever talked to women before but if one of your female friends comes up to you in distress and says her boyfriend abused her, do you sympathise and do your best to comfort her, or do you push her away and say 'wait i haven't heard his side yet'

We're talking about strangers ive never met, not a friend of mine. We're talking about public perception. Obviously people are going to take their friend's side, thats just a given.

so because you don't personally know someone, it's not worth treating them the same way?

No, its not. I think its a dangerous mentality for the public to make a decision on someones guilt based on nothing more than an allegation. Until more info comes out (if any does), ill leave it to the people involved to make their judgements.

Hang him

And btw, i agree with everyone else that theres a high chance shes telling the truth. I know that sort of contradicts everything i just said, but at this point, i wouldnt go around shitting on his name. I wouldnt condemn him as a rapist yet. Thats the problem. The public cant be fucked to wait a second to be sure before they destroy a life. And ill bring us back to this:

"imagine if you were falsely accused of rape. people begin to berate you and cut ties with you and fire you from your job simply because someone said something about you. are you going to sit there and think, 'you know what? this is ok. this is fair, because most rape accusations arent false.'"

And thats the last ill say on the matter, ive spent too much time in this thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till