Why do bands still sign to this garbage label?
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worst label ever
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they had a lot of good bands back in the day
They all left for good reason
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Streetlight signed with them in like 02 back when they weren't as shady and have been stuck in a contract
They release so few albums so that's why they're still on the label
They probably signed a 4 or 5 album contract
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Sooo will this hold true come new album?
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read the damn article it mentions it
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Wasn't Wax on Radio signed to Victory? I know they disbanded because of their record label and the contract they were under.
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god bless these guys. fuck victory records, i will happily board the jolly roger.
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Victory records screwed over: Thursday, Streetlight, Atreyu, Darkest Hour, A Day To Remember, Hawthorne Heights, Taking Back Sunday, Between The Buried And Me, Silverstein, and many more probably
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More fun to have pointless comment conjecture, especially since I don't care about the band but post
comments anyway.
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Streetlight Manifesto have been recording for their new record over the past year and expect the release sometime this summer.
...meaning the odds of it actually being out in 2012 are astronomically low
-longtime sm fan
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Victory records screwed over: Thursday, Streetlight, Atreyu, Darkest Hour, A Day To Remember, Hawthorne Heights, Taking Back Sunday, Between The Buried And Me, Silverstein, and many more probably
most of those bands deserved it
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if they hate victory so much then why don't they leave.
thats not how contracts work
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if they hate victory so much then why don't they leave.
Oh ffs
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they signed a very long time ago, when victory wasn't such a bad record label
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i guess i'll keep boycotting this band, but for the reason that they are horrible
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Don't worry SM!!! I mediafire all your albums anyway! No worries, Victory won't be getting ANY of my money.
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if they hate victory so much then why don't they leave.
uhhh contract?
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victory didn't have a bad rap in 98 bro
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they could easily find a label willing to buy them out of their contract.
This is not as easy as it seems
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http://www.latenightwallflower.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/tony3.jpg
what a tool
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Set Your Goals are clearly more worthy than Streetlight
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I didn't know andcas was an idiot.
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good on them
victory can suck a fat phallus
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Can't wait for album this summer but I'm not gonna get my hopes up since they always procrastinate
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Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution and Circle Takes The Square had the best albums of 2011 so I'm not worried
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Well, I mean, if you can't leave, you can't leave. They're contractually bound to Victory. They could buy themselves out, or
find another record label that would have enough Faith in them to buy them out, though neither of these will ever
happen. They really have no alternative, other than to pull this stunt.
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I liked the bit torrent joke. Good job on them boycotting themselves to get back at Victory.
Can't wait for the new album, even though it will probably take forever though.
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Hugh Laurie as Gordon Freeman would rule
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"i guess i'll keep boycotting this band, but for the reason that they are horrible"
but not really.
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they could easily find a label willing to buy them out of their contract.
yeah i'm sure quoteunquote and asian man have the cash for this
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" They really have no alternative, other than to pull this stunt."
Would breaking up and reforming as a new band work?
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like god damn andcas you'd make the worst band manager ever
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andcas we hate your avatar
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epitaph is calling
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" In regards to getting the music we make, you can buy directly from us, or, alternately, we're sure you can find a way to get the tunes onto your computer that may not be, ahem, traditional… Speaking a Bit metaphorically, there is a Torrent of methods to accomplish this, and Google is your always loyal friend..."
I like how they're basically saying to torrent their music if you'd like.
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Glassjaw said the same thing about their first album
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yeah and that was on roadrunner i believe
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yeah, most bands seem to like Roadrunner, but I guess they were bitches to Glassjaw
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Hahaha, andcas...
Is Streetlight Manifesto gonna bail all of their fans out of jail when they get arrested for illegally downloading the property of Victory Records? What an irresponsible band.
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lol
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haha, awesome. love these guys.
but really, the situation theyre in sucks.
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"Is Streetlight Manifesto gonna bail all of their fans out of jail when they get arrested for illegally downloading the property of Victory Records?"
not sure if serious
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epitaph need to stop being shitty and go back to punk
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Epitaph is one of the best indie labels to be on
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"if they hate victory so much then why don't they leave."
"why did they sign with them in the first place knowing their rep."
"they could easily find a label willing to buy them out of their contract."
i'm starting to think andcas's avatar is a self-portrait. facepalming hard.
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thanks, i thought it was pretty clever.
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@Cipieron
Untrue.
Anyway new album yaaaaaaayayayayay!
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None of it was logical in the slightest
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Yes but it's more than just looking for a label who would want to sign them. SE could be signed to a 5 album deal, which means that the cost for breaking the contract would include a sum imagined by Victory to cover the losses that they would incur over the sales of those potential albums. And it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to find out that Victory would have some kind of astronomical buyout provision written into SE's contract. You should honestly try using your head for once instead of just making noises dude
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And if that provision isn't there they would then have to enter negotiations, and I'm pretty sure a label wouldn't want to give up one of its most popular band's without some kind of hefty payoff
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It's an assumption based on the fact that they're still signed to this label
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My guess is they're just trying to piss off the label enough in hopes that they'll tear up the contract and kick them out the door. Could backfire though
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''I guess I've learned that there's really no such thing as a bad label, there is only a bad contract.'' - Peter Steele
Why sign the contract?
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It was back in 2002 man, Victory didn't have a bad rep yet
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Because who said there was anything wrong with the contract?
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Boycotting them shouldnt be too hard considering I probably wont have another release to buy from them within the next year or so.
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Fuck the boycotting part. NEW ALBUM THIS SUMMER
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Upcoming article: Counterparts asks for a boycott as well.
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@dimsim
well thats what I'd like to think, but knowing them the chances are low that a summer release date is going to happen.
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"Would breaking up and reforming as a new band work?"
No. If you owe them an album, you owe them an album. You can't just dissolve the band. Like I said, and which Dev illustrated above better than I could, you could buy yourself out or woo another record company to buy you out, both of which are highly unlikely.
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Greatest Hits albums are usually to finish record contracts
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Nice observation, trebor. I hadn't thought of that.
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Is Streetlight Manifesto gonna bail all of their fans out of jail when they get arrested for illegally downloading the property of Victory Records? What an irresponsible band.
Tbh, I wouldn't put this past a record label. But I'd be more worried about the band being sued
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they should just release more cover albums, a rarities/live album, and a greatest hits
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"No. If you owe them an album, you owe them an album. You can't just dissolve the band. Like I said, and which Dev illustrated above better than I could, you could buy yourself out or woo another record company to buy you out, both of which are highly unlikely."
So the band cant call a indefinite hiatus until they fulfill all of the required number of albums?
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I think what he's trying to say is if a band breaks up while still under contract, if they ever were to reform, they still are contractually obligated to put out that album. It's not some sort of loophole.
I'm all for this boycott. It might come off as a tad childish, but I always like to hear of a band who stands by their convictions.
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At least the band knows where they want to go...
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fuck Victory Records
and woah andcas, you're having an off day hey?
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i saw a really interesting interview with ben from TDEP where he talks about contracts and what to look out for and stuff, you should check it if you're into that stuff. shitty situation for the band, damn.
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i hope victory doesnt sue them. what they wrote is pretty slanderous.
but ya, new album this summer would be sweet
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"I guess emmure doesn't mind considering they resigned like idiots."
Well I mean, what other label would want Emmure?
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apparently they'll be able to leave the label after they release their next album
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They might of actually been contractually obliged before 2002. Catch 22 was signed to Victory and I know some label contracts state that any new project you work on has to be submitted to them first. If they do not want it then you can take it elsewhere.
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Can't they just break up, wait a few months, then re-form under a different name? Or is that illegal/against the binding contract?
Oh nvm already answered in the thread.
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"So the band cant call a indefinite hiatus until they fulfill all of the required number of albums?"
That's a good question and one which, unfortunately, I can't answer with any degree of certainty. Despite my posturing, I
am no expert on the matter. Nevertheless, there is the possibility that no one could answer the question, unless one is
privy to the contents of the contract. Dev might know.
There is one important thing to know, though: once you sign their contract, you owe them a lot of money and you have to
provide it to them, otherwise they will sue you for breach of contract.
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If Streetlight broke up then Victory would release a greatest hits I would assume
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"they had an opportunity to move to sumerian records."
I could actually see them on that label too. You got me, haha.
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Record labels don't care who they sign, they care about how much money they can bring in.
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Industry rule number four thousand and eighty
Record company people are shady
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"There is one important thing to know, though: once you sign their contract, you owe them a lot of money and you have to
provide it to them, otherwise they will sue you for breach of contract."
I thought it was based on the amount of albums that a band dishes out not the amount of records that sell.
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So the band cant call a indefinite hiatus until they fulfill all of the required number of albums?
The only way this would work would be if some kind of extraordinary circumstances were to take place, like half the band dying in some kind of freak accident - the proverbial act of god that can mitigate certain contractual stipulations. Other than that, no, not really. They could call some kind of "time out" if they want to, but as a band you've signed a form promising to deliver on product, and the label will be constantly reminding them of that. Imagine you're a contract worker on a temp contract for 6 months. That means you've signed a guarantee for a minimum of that time, you can't just walk into your boss's office after 3 months and say "you know what, don't really feel like doing this anymore" and not expect to be held in breach of contract.
The only way out of this, without running the risk of becoming indebted to a rather large record label (which no band wants), is to either churn out a hastily-assembled compilation album (and for all you know, their contract stipulates x amount of albums to constitute of entirely original material); or, to simply bite the bullet, finish up with their obligations and then go headhunting for a new home. If they end up in breach of their contract, the likeliest of outcomes is that Victory will retain all the material that SE put out while signed to them; the band will have no say in what the label does with them, and they'll never be able to re-release it again themselves
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Victory records should just go away...
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I see, guess theres pretty much no way to get away from it if they want to continue being a band. At least they are going through with it.
"If they end up in breach of their contract, the likeliest of outcomes is that Victory will retain all the material that SE put out while signed to them; "
That would be terribad.. The two options you presented seems to be the only logical ways to deal with this situation.. At least this sets up an example for future bands, in terms of avoiding Victory, and looking into the track record with other record labels in terms of how they treat their bands and such.
& Deviant; thanks for your intelligent reply.
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