While I love or loved this band for a very short intense period, I can't bring myself to rate this any higher than a 3. It is definitely a GOOD cd; however, there are quite a few cons such as poor production and simplistic redundance. I love songs like Burn This City(Intro), Nowhere To Run, Thirteen, This Is Real, etc, but still recognize this band's flaws and place them where they should be. Right in the middle. Not mediocre, not classic. Just GOOD 
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