Wintersun
Time II


4.5
superb

Review

by Lucy USER (2 Reviews)
August 31st, 2024 | 12 replies


Release Date: 08/30/2024 | Tracklist

Review Summary: Pure symphonic folk weeb metal cheese, enjoyable listen if you take it for what it is and put 2 decades of expectations aside. Listen with good audio equipment and listen to the Dynamic 2db mix if you can acquire it. Listen to the whole Album (I and II) b

Let me Start off by admitting I used to be a Wintersun super fan when I was in High school a little over a decade ago and so I have always been a huge fan of Jari's Music and this has coloured my impression of the Album here to a certain degree. For as much as I try to be objective, I fully recognize I have my bias which influences my Opinions quite a degree.

In saying that I will also state that I didn't like the last Album by Wintersun much. The Forest seasons in my opinion felt lazy and the tracks were far too long that listening to the Album required a lot of my time in ways that The self titled Album from 2004 didnt. You could listen to the tracks on the ST individually and it didn't feel like you were getting a worse experience. But I feel like with Time I, and The forest Seasons, you had to listen to the whole package at once or the albums tonally fall apart. well, sorta. Some Tracks on Time I continue to stick with me to this day. I mean heck it's become a tradition of me to play Land of snow and Sorrow every time the first snowfall occurs here in the coastal PNW, rare as that may be. So Time I has absolutely stuck with me as an Album that had a profound impact on me.

You may ask why I am talking about Time I so much in a Review of Time II. well Quite Honestly it's Because I view Time I and II to be one album and so I cannot fairly review Time II without mention Time I and what I liked about that Album. I Gave Time I a 4.5/5 back in 2012 and I think I'd mostly keep that rating today. I have matured a lot since 2012 and my music taste has thusly expanded a fair deal since then as well.

Now On to Time II. In many ways I believe many on Sputnik Music haven't given the Album a fair shake because of how over hyped this Album has been for 2 decades by Jari and his acolytes. By no means is Time a masterpiece. It's clunky, overly ambitious, and the Mixing isn't as good as Jari lead us all to believe. But Musically there's so much here to love and appreciate. I enjoyed every track on this Album. Interestingly enough my least favourite track on here is actually the way of the fire. But this may be due to my experience listening to live rips of this track and thusly being well aware of what it's supposed to sound like. Still a very enjoyable, make no mistake. But I found Storm and Silver Leaves to be by far my favourite tracks on the Album.

I know many on here view Silver Leaves to be a tad boring, though Storm seems to get the right level of appreciation here. Musically this album has a lot to love, but it'll never live up to several decades of hype and expectation.

Jari didn't release this because he was lazy, I don't consider any other excuse justifiable. Still though, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I give Time II a 4.5/5 and I give the complete Time Album a 9/10. With every listen my appreciation of the Album and enjoyment improves.

I used Grado RS1i headphones for my listening experience here. Good audio equipment is essential


user ratings (123)
3.4
great
other reviews of this album
DarkNoctus (1.5)
'Time II' is an album recorded 15 years ago and it sounds every minute its true age....

Dizchu (1.5)
An album ravaged by time....

ValenDreth (5)
Good things come to those who wait....



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bcasey25raptor
August 31st 2024


17 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

My first Review on this site since 2012. I implore you all to listen to this album with an open mind and try to put aside the hyped up expectations and judge it merely for it's musical quality of which I believe this album has plenty to offer

DarkNoctus
September 1st 2024


12315 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5 | Sound Off

you were absolutely correct in suggesting the dynamic -2db version and i've added an addendum to my review to include this too, in the interest of fairness. it's a notable improvement.



glad you liked this more than i did and was interesting to read your perspective. might be a good idea to fix some of the needless capitalization and reduce the first person a bit. it'd also be interesting to hear specifically why some musical choices stood out to you and you enjoyed them.

Piripichotes
September 2nd 2024


836 Comments


"Listen with good audio equipment and listen to the Dynamic 2db mix if you can acquire it. Listen to the whole Album (I and II)"

Why would he put out 2 different mixes if one is superior as a lot of people claim, is just beyond me. I usually listen to new albums on ATH m50X headphones and a Fiio DAC. It's my go to for new releases, it's not flattering for the original mix of this record, but I honestly don't find it as bad as everyone makes it to be. My only complaint is the lack of "air" or space for the drums, that sound programmed at times.

Techincalities aside, I only listened the shit out of the S/T 20 yrs ago and never cared to visit not once Time I and the Forest album. Came to this release entirely unbiased, and I like it a LOT.
2024 has been the best year for metal in more than a decade (IMO) and even with that heavy crown, I find myself wanting to come back to this album, such a shame the 1st song is kinda meh and not very rewarding, but I gladly sit through it bc The Way Of Fire deserves it.
I know nothing about Jari and his shenanigans and honestly don't care, this is simply a great album, just a step below the S/T.

DarkNoctus
September 2nd 2024


12315 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5 | Sound Off

i think the baffling thing is that the 'dynamic -2db' mix is still *very* compressed - he'd have been better off just making that one the commercial release as though it could still use some additional dynamics, it is an audible improvement. really strange.

Eakflanderyof
September 2nd 2024


5861 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Honestly, majority of metal albums suffer from over compression imo. Very rarely do I hear drum production on modern day metal albums and think "that sounds great wouldn't change a thing"

AgentMadhatt
September 3rd 2024


16 Comments


The 2 biggest problems this album suffers with is 1. obviously all the baggage around it. But the one that annoys me most is that for over a decades worth of work, crowdfunding, remixing, reediting RE reediting, upgrading equipment. The production should literally be flawless but in Way of Fire specifically there's a lot of sound bleed. Guitar and bass bleeding into each other and the drums losing their depth. So I'd feel way different about a decades long wait if I felt like the production was good enough to warrant it

Piripichotes
September 3rd 2024


836 Comments


"i think the baffling thing is that the 'dynamic -2db' mix is still *very* compressed - he'd have been better off just making that one the commercial release as though it could still use some additional dynamics, it is an audible improvement. really strange."

it is compressed indeed (the 2db) but let's say that you get a little bit more of drums but you lack a little bit on guitars, bass also sounds kinda weird in the 2db.
Just for curiosity's sake Noctus, what metal records would you say are mixed almost perfectly?
I think almost everything released in the early 90s: Countdown To Extinction, The Art Of Rebellion, Vulgar Display Of Power, Sound Of White Noise, Black Album, Symbolic...


Piripichotes
September 3rd 2024


836 Comments


"Honestly, majority of metal albums suffer from over compression imo. Very rarely do I hear drum production on modern day metal albums and think "that sounds great wouldn't change a thing"

Oh yeah, agree... Darkest Hour's drums always sound mindblowing tho... Numenorean (RIP) and Ulcerate, different bands, but the drums sound amazing, I'm no musician!

I'm also no sound engineer, but I think the total digitilization of the recording process took away from the analog life that earlier recordings had.
There's also the compression issue and the fact that since almost all music is being reproduced digitally and most likely on a shitty speaker, what the mixer hopes to obtain is far away from what you actually hear.
People listen to music on their phone speaker FFS!!!!

TheNotrap
Staff Reviewer
September 3rd 2024


19007 Comments


"Listen with good audio equipment and listen to the Dynamic 2db mix if you can acquire it."

double bass from hell ;)



Hyperion1001
Emeritus
September 3rd 2024


26862 Comments


the best production I’ve ever heard on a metal album from a technical standpoint is nevermore’s dead heart in a dead world. it sounds amazing on literally any system.

TheNotrap
Staff Reviewer
September 3rd 2024


19007 Comments


Nowadays sound engineering is focused on headphones, which makes it hard for me to assess the production correctly. In my car, this album displays some mixing issues.

Piripichotes
September 3rd 2024


836 Comments


"the best production I’ve ever heard on a metal album from a technical standpoint is nevermore’s dead heart in a dead world. it sounds amazing on literally any system."

Geez... haven't listened to that since 9/11 literally.... Was listening to it the day it happened... Time to check that again...



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