Wintersun
Time II


1.5
very poor

Review

by DarkNoctus USER (48 Reviews)
August 29th, 2024 | 261 replies


Release Date: 08/30/2024 | Tracklist

Review Summary: 'Time II' is an album recorded 15 years ago and it sounds every minute its true age.

Please note, the following review is specifically about the commercially released version of Time II. The 'Dynamic -2db' version of the album is a notable improvement and the ideal version to listen to. I strongly suggest anyone wanting to listen to Time II to source this version or wait for its official release as currently it is only obtainable from the 'Time Package' pre-order.

For the blissfully ignorant, the project 'Time' was originally teased in 2006 with a gigantic, ambitious tracklist and an even more ambitious concept. Months became years as Wintersun updated his website (now deleted) with a variety of reasons as to why this album couldn't be completed. Any jokes aside about 32bit VSTs and the noise of construction work outside his apartment, it appeared to be a truthfully unsurmountable challenge for Jari to complete what was to be his masterwork - a continuation of the shockingly organic mixture of melodic death metal, black metal and power metal into a seamless and epic blend.

When the world didn't end in 2012, it was announced that the album would be split into two parts - the first of which coming in October of that year. Though divisive in some circles due to the emphasis on symphonics and the somewhat under-powered mix, it was generally a well received project - albeit with the common criticism of being unsubstantial in its length. This was soon to be remedied however, with the second portion coming in 2013.

Stylistically, 'Time I' was absolutely a 'devil in the details' album that was constantly unravelling during its runtime - further, though the final master was admitedly rather thin, there was enough space in the mix to pick out distinct parts. This made revisits all the more rewarding and if you're a fan of the highly-orchestrated, bombastic and somewhat cheesy presentation, it was absolutely a rewarding listen with a razor-sharp focus on compositional progression. Alas, without using a predictable joke about time, it's been 11 years since then.

The core reason Jari wasn't ready to release the second half - which he reported was fully recorded - was due to being unsatisfied with the mix. Two crowdfunding campaigns - each of which were successful - raised funds to assist in his endeavour to build his own studio. Granted, I have very strong feelings about the necessity of this, but his bewilderingly passionate fans spoke with their euros. The studio still doesn't exist for a variety of financial reasons, but Jari reportedly was able to upgrade his home studio enough to complete 'Time II'.

It now raises the key question that caused the 11 year release delay in the first place - why on earth does it sound as bad as it does? Whether you're surprised or not by this revelation, 'Time II' is an overblown, wall-of-sound where no distinct features can be made out. The pitfalls of mixing and mastering your own material is on display here in droves. The reason it is beneficial to have separate bodies mixing and mastering your work is because you become attuned to the finer details as you mix and you subconsciously make up the gaps in your head when in reality those finer details are all but inaudible to anybody else listening. This was a more localized issue on 'Time I' and 'The Forest Seasons' but here it's maddening and pervades the entire runtime.

It already doesn't help that Jari opted for a far more digital, over-compressed signature that means I'd be surprised if even 5% of the five hundred tracks he claims are in the mix are remotely audible on any sound system. Now, there is a more dynamic mix of Time II in the 50 euro time package that perhaps remedies some of these issues, but this is the version that was commercially released and thus it's the only one that can be judged.

Musically it is - somewhat thankfully - more of the same. Fast, melodic and theatrical metal with excessive symphonics interwoven into the progressions. But it becomes clear - and quickly - that the best material from the 'Time' sessions were on part one. Dynamics couldn't be more important in music this bombastic because given enough time it all ends up sounding the same and none of it ends up having any impact. It ends up being a loud, flat and hollow sound that signifies nothing. As such, these songs end up wearing so thin less than half way through.

The album's second song 'The Way of the Fire', which I'm convinced sounded better on the live bootleg recordings floating around online from 2016, runs out of ideas at about the seven minute mark when it falls into a brief string interlude. It then comes back for another three minutes of repeated metal sections and furthers the repetition and fatigue. 'Storm' is absolutely begging for a clearer mix as it's no doubt the most detailed and intense song of the whole 'Time' project - all of which feels wasted and doesn't translate whatsoever. 'Silver Leaves', the endlessly hyped song by Jari himself, is yet another casualty. A slow burning ballad begging for subtlety in its presentation but not being granted any. It's honestly a shame that Jari's vocal take isn't stronger here, as he's proven he can sing better than what's presented here - it's almost sad to listen to him struggle to keep up with the pace of the song and the notes.

I realize I haven't spared any time to discuss the interludes, the track 'One with the Shadows', the somewhat interesting Eastern influences, the admitedly great musicianship... because it all amounts to nothing if the presentation isn't quality. You can draw any criticism you like to 'Time I's sound and though some of it is valid, it's without a doubt an upgrade to this. Though it is always ideal to judge a piece of art on its own merits, it's really difficult to ignore the fact that in the 15~ years from writing this material there have been countless bands who picked up the mantle and have since exceeded his execution.

Jari simply should have released 'Time II' in the state it was in during 2013 and cut his losses. The additional 11 years taken to produce this album, to the contrary of its intention, butchered it. 'Time II' is disappointing beyond words, but there's an odd sense of relief that this chapter of the band is over and he can move onto new projects unhindered by this project's legacy. Jari is absolutely a skilled musician, songwriter and performer - his past works speak for themselves. If he can find it in himself to allow others into the producing phase and hire someone else to do his PR perhaps a disaster like this will be avoidable in the future.



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Comments:Add a Comment 
DarkNoctus
August 29th 2024


12470 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

now out in some parts of the world



most disappointed i've been in an album in a long time, so enjoy the hasty review

Scoot
August 29th 2024


23065 Comments


i used to check their message boards obsessively from 2005-2008 for time info

it's fucking 2024 and this goddamn thing is finally done

Kusangii
August 29th 2024


7448 Comments


Oh boy this is gonna be interesting

Dizchu
August 29th 2024


670 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5 | Sound Off

I'm not disappointed at all, this was inevitable. This was what Time I and The Forest Seasons were leading to. It's just sad to see all the effort amount to this abomination.



pos

Pikazilla
August 29th 2024


31861 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

I wonder what hardcore wintersun fans think about this smelly travesty of an album

Hyperion1001
Emeritus
August 29th 2024


28256 Comments


you kinda gotta respect the hustle tho. bro is an all time grifter.

Kusangii
August 29th 2024


7448 Comments


Probably "best music that has ever been made since Mozart"

Hawks
Contributing Reviewer
August 29th 2024


99484 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Worst human of all time. His music also hasn't been listenable in over 20 years. One of the worst bands ever up there with Shit Token.

Pikazilla
August 29th 2024


31861 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

hawks have you seen the video for nachtmystium's new single



it's basically the dude making fun of all the people who complained about him scamming them

DaveyMonsoon
August 29th 2024


1429 Comments


Can't be disappointed if you didn't have any expectations to begin with.

DarkNoctus
August 29th 2024


12470 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0 | Sound Off

i'm one of time i's hardcore defenders - i love that album. but i see why others wouldn't, and this album will 100% not sway you.



"hawks have you seen the video for nachtmystium's new single



it's basically the dude making fun of all the people who complained about him scamming them"



jesus fucking christ

SomeCallMeTim
August 29th 2024


5083 Comments


Time III when

DaveyMonsoon
August 29th 2024


1429 Comments


This Time III - It's Personal

Nazzadan
August 29th 2024


2413 Comments


The ghosts of all the 2007-2010 Sput users will surroudn me like force ghosts when I jam this

Pikazilla
August 29th 2024


31861 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

wintersun songs are like snowflakes

Jurtz
August 29th 2024


3974 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Not yet out in NL, but I'm not particularly excited, judging by the ratings and the review

Eakflanderyof
August 29th 2024


6105 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Dude should just re record the stuff from the demo package he's releasing with actual drums. That stuff actually sounded really cool

BladeRunner
August 29th 2024


640 Comments


Well...color me totally unsurprised. I recall listening through The Forest Seasons, perplexed at why it sounded like a giant blob of sound with no character or definition. It reeked of a project that was hastily put together to justify the crowdfund, and at the time, I hoped that it wasn't a bellwether of things to come with Time II. Alas, here we are, and from what I am reading above, he has somehow created an even more blob-tastic mess. What a shame. I guess I expected it, though. One can't fart around with tech for over a decade and then expect to catch the same artistic lightning in a bottle from all those years ago.

Doing some quick research, I see he has also gone and meddled with his previous works and rereleased them with his, ahem, package. Has he really removed the harsh vocal from Loneliness? Ouch... My wife loves that tune. I don't think I will show her the newer version.

botb
August 29th 2024


18968 Comments


Dude should really just stick to playing ripping guitar solos and stop trying to write these crazy ambitious concept albums

PsychicChris
August 29th 2024


432 Comments


It begins



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